Mathematician Discusses Role of Math in Future Evolution

[invisibleprisms1]

To anyone genuinely interested in what this man is saying I will present you with fractal mathematics. The future of mathematics is not in our ability to play with ancient arbitrary symbols but algorithms, or real information. Computers thanks to a man named Allen Turring compute machine language, a perfect language which is translated into the the garbage of our human lexicon. Meaning the very computer you are on is a perfect machine capable of processing "real" information

[MYTHIRDSHADOW]

To explain: Sheet music does not contain the idea or intention of the musical piece it is the mind of the human who listens to the entirety of the notes and there in between the notes lies what we might call the feeling of the song. for example, a computer or machine could play a musical piece from beethoven, but that machine could never impart the human touch of translating the time as part of him (the player), because the machine is governed by math and is therefore limited.

[Krazyfoolix420]

@MYTHIRDSHADOW In respect to the common math you see almost unilaterally in the world, absolutely. And mechanized computational devices do use precisely that mathematical system and in turn those algorithms. But there are less finite properties in higher math that do interpret, or I should say, attempt to interpret, the abstract in a condition more closely resembling prose poetry than what we see the overwhelmingly common mathematical systems.

[Krazyfoolix420]

@Krazyfoolix420 In this way math becomes less of the known linearity and more of the scarcely fathomed abstracted impressionist rendering. In this way being similar to our general interpretation of taste. We readily accept that we can interpret and impress with sound (music, oratory) and with sight (photography, paintings) because this has been our imaginative experience, but we generally consider our sense of taste to be direct. This tastes like a strawberry, it doesn't taste like popcorn.

[Krazyfoolix420]

@Krazyfoolix420 But abstraction is a construct of imaginative presence, so why don't we impress with taste? The strawberry's flavor is no less concrete than the Beethoven's notes - they are merely notes. The impression/intention is left to the imaginative presence. I propose that there is no reason why I could not feed you a meal and in it impart a very real feeling that you could take away from it if only you allowed yourself to. Math is another such venue regrettably lost to standardization.

[Krazyfoolix420]

@Krazyfoolix420 Of equal importance is to note that there exists no language to express interpretation. I cannot for instance tell you what Beethoven's piece speaks to. And in this way mathematical algorithms neither abstract nor linear can explain music or any other work of feeling and impression. But higher maths can inspire or express their own sentiments similar to how Hemingway was inspired to write cleanly by the works of Paul Cezanne. And this math, I believe, could have a place in music.

[MYTHIRDSHADOW]

As soon as you try to explain anything with math, especially music, you loose the most important thing... the intention. The intention behind a great musical piece cannot be described, analysed, formulated, or even copied with mathematics. There are algorithms in sheet music, but again, even sheet music does not contain the intent or "feeling" of the piece of music. I think it would be a mistake to allow math to play a large role in our culture especially in the realm of art and science.

[tubebooboob]

"The odd belief prevails in our culture that a thing or experience is not real if we cannot make it mathematical, and that somehow it must be real if we can reduce it to numbers … the only experience we let ourselves believe in as real, is that which precisely is not." -Rollo May What do you think of it?

[FlaiteOne]

i want to be good at maths! i suck hardly but i understand the implications it has when trying to understand our reality, any advices?

[xXTheRatXx]

Music will be based off mathmatics?? That's crazy talk! As if it hasn't always been. J.S. Bach is renowned for his mathmatical sequencing. When you watch a guitar player, Paul Gilbert for example, flying up and down the neck, it's not like there's no method to the madness. He is often using mathmatical groupings of notes and moving them starting from different notes of the scale, (sequencing). Music IS ALREADY highly mathmatical. If it wasn't it wouldn't be interesting to the ear.

[TonyBtheEG]

Thank you for posting this.

[centraldrummer]

there are already a few types of music that use mathematical algorithms in its composition. atonal and 12step music use a matrix system to distribute the notes. you even have what some call "math metal"? or something. idk i think meshuggah does that. its interesting.

[artjunkie123]

This is why he focused on the fractrals at the beginning- his mind is too literal & he has high admiration for artists- because they operate on such a different level then him- whereas we need both- if you are creative your mind will already see full blown images- that will build & build- instead this logical brain requires the fractrals to build and build- the brain recognizes this process- compiles them upon each other- and creates an image. The artist by-passes this step entirely.

[DukeMcManhands]

@artjunkie123 mathematics is more about creativity than logic. creativity generates the ideas for mathematical problems and solutions, i.e. mathematics. logic (rigor) is only introduced to remove "bad" intuition, meaning contradictory or false reasoning. nevertheless math is really an art - the techniques taught in high school and early college courses are as much math as chopping wood is carpentry.

[GRIJZEKAK]

@DukeMcManhands : intuition for the theorems, logic to prove them : )

[Zuklar]

School blew, I was terrible at math, I wanted to like it though. It was just SOOOO BORING!

[JinxOz]

It is so simple to understand. We cannot manifest the creative proportion of mathematics because of the other priorities we have. This would be money and time. I doubt the 10th grader in High School would appreciate an innovative change in the way we approach mathematics. I personally think we dug a whole too deep.

Now there's only a crack of hope to fit everything through.

[JonDelzell17]

@JinxOz I'm a 10th grader in High School and I would love to see a change in the way mathematics are approached in school. Just saying.

[JinxOz]

@JonDelzell17 Can I ask which state you live in?

[JonDelzell17]

@JinxOz I live in Illinois. sorry it took me so long to reply.

[Lorentz5]

Hm, I think it is impossible to "regain" mathematics in the present time. Math curricula are standardized in a way to prevent students from failing, and in doing so, inadvertently discouraging unconventional problem solving techniques. An upset of this system would be met with intense opposition, as it is very difficult for the average teacher to teach unmotivated students how to approach math creatively - creativity in problem solving, which is what I think he meant by regaining mathematics.

[natmanprime]

@Lorentz5 LOL the idea of teaching maths AT ALL is to extinguish the flame of curiosity. a flame needs Air and space to burn. You stifle it and it snuffs OUT.

The very notion of a SYLLABUS!

It's ROMAN=facsism

Imposing borders between this subject and that subject, telling you WHEN to be interested in this and when to be interested in that!

SCHOOLS should FUCK OFF!

and replace em with LIBRARIES.

All we should be doing to kids is making sure they are LOVED.

they'll do the rest.

[666briareos]

@natmanprime lol

[zidumare]

@Lorentz5 everytime i tried to do that, i got failed.

i got sick of it, so i just memorized what they wanted me to say.

its really pathetic...we teach what we teach in order to keep teaching what we teach.

[Fat1Rulez]

@Lorentz5 lol duh who needs an explanation?

[shaunmikex]

The relation he wanted to show was a little unclear. I doubt any computer imaging software can capture the true essence of a psychedelic experience. But I may have misinterpreted.

[sivaddivad]

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