danny carey plays the intricate drum pattern on 'rosetta stoned'

[1y9b9b]

yeaaaah ... I tried this ...I don't think I'm doing it right

i think i'm doing a swiss triplet i made a video so you can see

[ShroomSamich]

sauce boss

[ShroomSamich]

lol it takes 24 seconds for this guy to stump every drummer haha what a boss

[mattbassace]

The world will end when Danny Carey makes a mistake. Or never

[zackypooofillinois]

i read the discription and was like whaaaaat? i kinda understood it but it's beyond my drum lingo

[themadtapper]

/watch?v=8KTLxwFvJUc&feature=r­elated me giving this beat a go.

[distubedrat]

well that seems pretty simple..

[mehedmb]

What is this I don't even

[petitoeuf8]

Danny Carey has four brains: one for each of his limbs. It's the only explanation.

[finlan9]

@petitoeuf8 ha ha haa ive actually said that same sentance to my friends!!!!

[SlappaDeBassMon]

How the living fuck did he pull that off??

[downer12256]

@SlappaDeBassMon .... from his third eye

[killerproctologist]

in other words he is doing 2 compeltely different things at once but making it sound good

[ultimatefighter187]

Danny carey vids have the best comments.

[MikeWJones1497]

@ultimatefighter187

ALL TOOL vids have the BEST comments and explanations(No wait... opinions) to their musical influence!

[themadtapper]

when you are playing this section, the last thing "in my mind" anyway is counting. the bass beat only has 1 spot where it does 5 double hits consecutivly. that starts on the second snare count. goes past 1 with an anchor on the 6 bass stroke, and ends just before the next snare count...snare #4. find the spots on the bass that you can anchor to and it will really help work through this very difficult section. there is a reason you see him take such a breath at the end of it.

[themadtapper]

@themadtapper a breath at the end of the actual song video. this beat is essentially holding your breath mentally. needs lots of practice, but it is do able.

[Ryoubreathingnow]

this is a polyrhythm, he plays a varition of swiss army triplets to a 3/4 pulse on the hats, and plays 5/4 on the kick drum. This equates (5x3=15) to them joining every 15th beat

[jdub816]

i wouldn't have said it was a swiss triplet if Danny didn't say it was. he stood in front of the room and told us it was a variation on a swiss triplet.

[jambi99]

@jdub816 it sound more paraddile to me..

[paulcweeks]

@jdub816 I have been trying to learn this song, and I can't figure out if it's left-hand lead swiss triplet, right-hand lead swiss triplet or if it switches back between right-hand lead and left-hand lead. Can you remember?

[themadtapper]

@paulcweeks yes... left hand lead.

[panzer569]

thats in 15/4.......

[Naminator99]

@panzer569

no, its in 3/4. Five bars of that.

l2count

[matt46and2]

@Naminator99 you can count this multiple ways...either by the pulse or by the beat. if you count it by pulse, it's 3/4. If you count it by the beat it's 6/8, with the bass guitar and the snare accenting the 5th beat of each measure for 5 measures.

[panzer569]

@Naminator99

Well either way its still intense =)

Whats the bass line playing in for this song?

Im a bass player and i heard thats in 15/4...

I dont know a whole lot about time signatures but I just know this is some crazy tribal shitttt......

Hail Danny Carey!

[SlappaDeBassMon]

@panzer569 Its more complex than that, there are points when the bass guitar and drums are all in different time signatures. Technically the bass changes through all these signatures: 8/8, 5/4, 8/8, 5/4, 8/8, 10/4, 9/8, 6/8, 11/4, 12/8, 15/8, 12/8, 5/4, 3/8, 6/8, 3/8, 5/4. ( i may have missed something)

And thats just the bass lol. But i guess once you learn it, it all comes down to muscle memory and the feel of the overall song, rather than each separate signature.

[fabknot1]

THIS IS AN E.T.

[foxman259]

Check out my transcriptions of this song.

/watch?v=tuqVaAHSbK8

/watch?v=212RcMa1Xg0&feature=c­hannel

And it's not a swiss triplet

[dheublein]

@foxman259 - uh yes, it IS a swiss triplet. He said so himself at the clinic. Of course there is a slight variation on it to get the snare note in, but aside from that it's just a right-hand led swiss triplet split between several drums(or pads in the actual song).

[Rockdrummerfunk]

This is a pattern of tune called Rosetta Stoned. In this part, he plays it with bass only, like a mirror.

[yewwtube]

@Rockdrummerfunk fuck up

[infamous119]

and until i see your video struggleing to keep that rythem stfu about it "not really being that hard"

[infamous119]

ugh yea ok ace its not that hard quit talkin shit because i bet you cant play it..if so make a vid and prove it

[ace76543]

it's actually not a swiss triplet, because if you actually WATCH the video of him doing it, he hits drums with his right hand 4 times before hitting the snare with his left. a swiss triplet woudl have him hitting the right drums 3 times

[ace76543]

This really isn't that hard. I don't see why everyone hypes it up so much. Like all "hard" things danny carey plays, it's just a basic independence excersise

[clbgeballe]

ok. post your video

[ace76543]

/watch?v=xDb8Xs-qrzM

not my best, but it's not easy playing that beat over a 5/4 bass riff. i'll post a better one if you're truly convinced that i can't play it

[TheMtc123]

@ace76543 fuck ur self stupid bitch if isnt to hard why are so many drummers that cant do that he is a amazing drummer

[TheJJAchannel]

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[drumbum3535]

Well I see Danny has not gotten any worse.

[44eelz]

...i think im pregnant

[dheublein]

My understanding of this groove is as follows:

Hands:

Rst Rst Rst LRR lt repeat

where Rst is Right leading swiss triplet

so he's doing 3 swiss triplets and then doing the snaire accent with the left followed by two right hand notes and a left tap and then back into the pattern. That's the only way I can get it to sound like he does it here.

[dheublein]

the feet are pretty straight forward, the hihat just plays the quarter note pulse, but the bass drum does a polyrhythmic pattern consisting of 2 notes and a rest 2 notes rest 2 notes rest, so something like:

o o o o  o

xx xx xx xx xx xx

They aren't lined up but you get the idea.

[dheublein]

Danny's 4-way coordination is amazing...

[lesserkeymusic]

He is playing a paradiddle variation with the hands, they are not swiss triplets guys. Swiss army triplets involve flams, where are the flams???????

[dheublein]

He stated right at his clinic that he is utilizing the swiss triplet. The flams don't sound pronounced because he's breaking it up between different drums(or pads in the actual song). Ask anyone who attended his last clinic and they will agree. I was there and heard it right from the horses mouth man.

[lesserkeymusic]

Can you please post the video of him saying it then, because I'm not convinced. Ive listened to the song and watched the videos a million times, and nothing indicates to me that it is a swiss triplet. I would really like to be shown that I'm wrong. Do you have video footage of him saying that ?

[dheublein]

unfortunately i was one of the few obeying the rules and not recording the event. You can try watching some of the others, but none i have seen capture his explanation. One way to reaffirm this would be to google danny carey drum clinic review and see if there are others discussing this pattern. As i've told you, it doesn't sound like a swiss triplet because he's breaking the pattern among two different pads. try playing the pattern above and you'll see that, when executed right, it works

[dheublein]

it's all over the internet man, just google "danny carey swiss triplet rosetta stoned" and you'll get tons of hits that affirm what i've said here, done trying to convince you because you have no concept of how this groove works. it's not a diddle variation, period.

[lesserkeymusic]

dude why dont you calm down, its a drum pattern. It doesnt make much sense when someone says hey this is a swiss army triplet and you cant hear the flam, that doesnt really sound like a swiss triplet to me. And dont try to belittle me by saying i have no concept of how the pattern works, Im probably a more accomplished player than you are, to say the least.

[lesserkeymusic]

Its easy to know what the pattern is after you've been afforded the luxury of supposedly hearing how its exactly played by the guy who wrote it. Your a royal prick. I just think its funny how everyone taped soo much of the drum clinic and managed not to capture that explanation on tape. One would wonder naturally..

Im going to try this swiss army triplet, hopefully it works because i would like to believe your explanation regardless of how rude you are.

[dheublein]

well all you have to do is try it for yourself rather than coming with this "..i'm not convinced" b.s... sure it's good to question, but if you actually tried the pattern you would hear it gel. people were only concerned with taping his playing because to be honest, he's not a well spoken guy. Even in this video you can seem him playing a swiss triplet, and if you are so accomplished, you would know that because you would know what playing that rudiment looks like.

[lesserkeymusic]

okay so questioning things is now reduced to bullshit. And the fact that im looking for a flam in swiss army triplet should tell you i know my rudiments. Once again , its easy to act like king dick when the guy who wrote it is in the room with you telling you exactly what was going on. The fact that people are asking how this thing is played should tell you that the pattern is being executed in a strange way. I guess watching a pattern is the only way you should determine a pattern. dumb.

[dheublein]

I should clarify that he wasn't a well spoken guy at the clinic, mostly due to the fact that he was obviously nervous, and understandably so. if i was in a room full of 1,000 drummers ,1 famous drum tech, 1 tabla virtuoso, and 1 legendary drummer, i would probably lock up and shit myself, and proceed to curl into the fetal position.

[dheublein]

no, you aren't "just asking" you are saying that, regardless of the fact that i was at the clinic and heard the explanation isn't good enough and that you need more proof, so who's the dick here? i've broken it down clearly above, as best i could in ascii-art, and you just keep clamoring on... it's like talking to a brick wall. watching the video would should you that both hands are striking notes at almost the same time which is indicative to a flam, not a paradiddle variation which is linear.

[swantonbomberx]

Yes is a swiss triplet...I've explained it like 2 years ago when some kid uploaded a paraddidle version of it. It's of course not played on toms but on Mandala's

The hands are doing this (you can hear what each hand is doing on the original track by listening to each speaker separately)

RR RR RR RR

L LL LL S L

[dheublein]

now that we know it's a swiss triplet, the next step is to play it that fast, that clean, and add the polyrhythmic footwork ontop of it, and lastly the accents on the ride and crashes lol.... what a genius composition by Danny.

[ace76543]

we don't know it's a swiss triplet. because it's not. you should actually try to figure things out for yourself instead of listening to someone else who could be wrong and declaring it fact

[dangleberry9628]

@ace76543

Lmao, if this drummer, the writer of the riff, said it. Then it's it. Period. Legendary drummer and percussion composer > retard IE you in terms of knowledge regarding his OWN rhythms.

[bubaboom78]

ok .. I understand the triplet swiss army ... but I do not understand the accent of his left hand in the snare...where is it?

[bubaboom78]

Gently...Can someone explain me and write me this groove?...thank you!!

[ToOlOGT22]

anyone have the rest of this part?