Evilness of Power - German subs (1 of 9)

[daviddtor]

The point I try to make is that is very easy to judge people as being a selfish person or hedonistic but in certain degree I have not met a lot of leftist, anarchist, communist or socialist and only 10 percent of them really live accordingly to the ideals that they suppose to follow, the remaining percent I can tell you complain about goverments etc just because they are unemployed or they show is a lower scale corrupted traits.

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4) Is not primitivism miserable considering "black death", etc?

[daviddtor]

Interesting your channel. You seem to be interested in the truth and even reply to "notfitforsociety" saying things like "selfish, hedonistic and submissive attitudes like yours". Please tell me..

1) Considering that people is not equal (e.g.: some people are ugly, some smart, some pretty, some disabled..), is not unrealistic the equal society that you kind of promote in your videos?

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2) How many homeless people do you share your place with?

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3) How much money do you give to others?

[drummerofwrongway]

I've read the books of Zerzan, and i really doubt the whole primitivist thing.

i mean, it is a nice vision of the harmonic coexisting of human in nature, but Bookchin said it pretty much right in a little essay, that it is the simple thing called evolution, that humanity acts and builds nature! The question is, how can we do this ethical?

But a stepping back to pre-agroculture is just immpossible, cause of evolution.

in my opinion^^ would be great if you answer!

[gabiotta]

Are you really using that ignorant Disneyfication of reality as evidence for your case?

[vNorilor]

Man, this is awful.

[canaan1967]

I'm surprised you have John Zerzan in here. I'm a Marxist but I do recall that Murray Bookchin criticized "anarchists" like John Zerzan for abandoning a class struggle for personal individual freedoms and individualism. Bookchin called it "lifestylism." He wrote an essay about it called "Social Anarchism or Lifestyle Anarchism: An Unbridgeable Chasm"

[mr1001nights]

@canaan1967

I dont think that in analyzing the origins of hierarchy we should ignore the psychological/societal effects of the shift to controlling the environment (agriculture, domestication). As you'll find out if you watch the rest of Evilness of Power, I do believe that humans can achieve libertarian socialism in the context of civilization, and as you can see from this conversation I had w/Zerzan /watch?v=NANrZvb3o0Y he does too, and perceives it as a possible stepping stone to primitivism

[canaan1967]

@mr1001nights

I think it would be monstrous to advocate such a thing as primitivism. We need solidarity and to embrace humanity. Many primitivists loose sight of the economics of class struggle and how we can organize society in a way to solve many of the problems they propose a reversion back to some unattainable epoch can solve. It would take some type cataclysm to depopulate the world so in order to attain world where they would feel comfortable in.

[mr1001nights]

@canaan1967

I think we should distinguish the historical analysis of hierarchical tendencies from advocacy of primitivism in our particular circumstances.

[kpirooz92]

Great work.

[GuiMarquito]

no one likes to have a boss. Now if you asked them if they would want to be bosses of something...You'd get mostly positive answers. how were you surprised?

[GuiMarquito]

Of course people answer that to those very simple questions, its just natural. If you ask anyone if he's a racist he will most certainly say he isn't. Everyone will say he'd do something for the community even if deep down he wouldn't.

[oiuoiu988]

haha, what a fucking joke.

[plutodrvv]

An interesting point was that the "Gyspsies" did not have a place in this 'new order' what is up with that? Is not the lack of recognition of the 'outsider' still part of a hierarchy and nationalism?

[notfitforsociety]

I prefer having a boss. I've been a boss and didn't like it. If I had enough money to live comfortably I would be traveling around the world, enjoying all that life could offer and maybe give a little here and there.

[mr1001nights]

The point I make is that in spite of the tremendous pressures the system exerts to instill selfish, hedonistic and submissive attitudes like yours, many people still find it unappealing.

[notfitforsociety]

Many people have no insight and lie to themselves. So I like giving to myself, I like pleasure and I don't mind handing over the reigns, so what, I'm supposed to turn into an altruistic priest because someone finds that unappealing? Some people find Mother Teresa unappealing should we expect her to turn into an objectivist because we find it so? I don't think so. Some people find that humanity beyond hunter/gatherer unappealing should we revert back to that?