Talking about white god az ur man! Where iz ur black man to luv u dammit! Show uz the BLACK MAN u will allow to fkn love u. Emotionally and physically!
@SpiritMan33 Doesn't this mean that celibate individuals are also sinning against God, since they too are not "being fruitful and multiplying"? If so, then both Jesus and Paul were sinning on this account. If it is not a sin for celibate people to exist thereby rejecting procreation, then same sex relations cannot be held as a sin because of "its" lack of procreation.
one thing to say THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN BY MAN N REWRITTEN OVER N OVER. JESUS NEVER SPOKE FOR NOR AGAINST HOMOSEXUALITY! SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW HE FEELS. I'M GAY N VERY BLESSED SO GOD LOVES ME!
@Luckyone4482 No, the Bible was NEVER rewritten, it was merely translated differently. And Jesus never spoke against beating grandma's with baseball bats, either, along with a very large variety of other crimes and things. That doesn't mean that we don't know how he feels about those things. And please, stop posting in all caps - it comes across as rather rude.
@amanda2324 " No, the Bible was NEVER rewritten, it was merely translated differently"
Then what is your explanation for the fact that Jawhists, Elohists, Deuteronomists, and Priestly writers edited and added their own words to the Old testament as "Redactors", starting in 950 B.C.E? Why would the book of Revelations threaten swift punishment for anyone who dares to change its words, but not threaten punishment for anyone who changes the other books of the bible?
@biggtk It's easy for someone to go back and find out what was rewritten and then translate it correctly. Your claims of the "rewriting" of the Bible does not invalidate all translations of the Bible, or the true Bible in any way. King James version is one of the most accurate translations of the Bible, though there are some flaws - because Greek and Hebrew had words that we don't have specific words for.
@amanda2324 "It's easy for someone to go back and find out what was rewritten and then translate it correctly"
No it's not. You see, the dead sea scrolls that we have are but a version of the "Old Testament" that was written down thousands of years after the time of Moses. So all we have to go on is this thousand year later written transcription. How do we verify its authenticity?
@amanda2324 "Your claims of the "rewriting" of the Bible does not invalidate all translations of the Bible, or the true Bible in any way"
I can't invalidate the Bible since it has not even been validated in first place. What we know as scripture today, may be something "queer" to the people who followed Moses out of Egypt. But my point was that there is evidence that there were 'ghost' writers and editors that felt the need to add their own values. Does this not give us cause to question?
@amanda2324 " King James version is one of the most accurate translations of the Bible"
No, it's the most accurate version of what was written on the Dead Sea Scrolls. But can you tell me who wrote these scriptures on the Dead Sea Scrolls, or what evidence we have that their transcriptions were accurate to anything that the Ancient Hebrew people would have recognized? I'm not saying that this invalidates the Bible, but it certainly doesn't validate it either.
@amanda2324 "though there are some flaws - because Greek and Hebrew had words that we don't have specific words for."
Actually we created words where there were none. Such as the word sodomite. The KJV has used the word sodomite whenever the Old hebrew word 'Qadesh' was written. This is an egregious error since Qadesh simply means 'male prostitute', with its female equivalent being Qadesha.So anytime sodomite is used in the Bible, it is false, and it shows the politics of biblical translation.
@amanda2324 Does that mean that the author of Revelations suspected that the other books of the Bible were being defiled? Even the bible itself recognizes that scripture has been changed and added to. Jeremiah 8:8 says "How can you say, ‘We are wise,
And the law of the LORD is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes
Has made "it" into a lie." It is folly to believe that the Bible is infallible, or that it is 100% the word of God.
@biggtk "Has made "it" into a lie." It is folly to believe that the Bible is infallible, or that it is 100% the word of God."
That is incorrect. The verse is referring to PEOPLE who CLAIM that the Word says "this" when it does not say at all. Or, for example, to people who mistranslate something, or take something to mean something that it does not. This does not mean that the Bible has been "rewritten."
@amanda2324 "That is incorrect. The verse is referring to PEOPLE who CLAIM that the Word says "this" when it does not say at all."
Read the verse again. It mentions 'scribes'. Scribes are people who rewrite written documents or oral stories that already exist. Why does this verse mention scribes changing the word of God into a lie if it's simply talking about false teachers?
@amanda2324 "people who mistranslate something, or take something to mean something that it does not. This does not mean that the Bible has been "rewritten.""
Scribes were also theologians and jurists (experts and writers of law) in ancient Israel. Therefore if THEY were changing God's word into a lie, then it's not a stretch to assume that someone listened to them (cult leader effect). This alone could cause a deviation from original material. How can you prove that this didn't happen?
@amanda2324 In order for something to be infallible, it must have evidence proving its naysayers wrong, and also have evidence that proves its own position to be definitively true. We know of mistranslations, ghost writers, ignorance of certain old Hebrew/Greek words, scriptures that were written thousands of years after the events on transcription took place, and the Bible had editors who added their own values. We even know that it was humans who decided what books would be added to the Bible.
@amanda2324 In my mind, this gives us cause to pause, and use precise exegesis to figure out if what we've always been told about "scripture" is really as accurate as we think it is.
@biggtk I'm not going to reply to all of your posts - but it seems to me you really haven't done much research on the subject, aside from biased sources. The Bible has plenty of evidence validating it's accuracy (that includes the Dead Sea Scrolls) as the Bible has over 5,700 manuscripts, while many other ancient texts that are accepted as true may only have 8 or 10. One ancient text has less than 700 manuscripts and is accepted as true.
@amanda2324 " but it seems to me you really haven't done much research on the subject"
On the contrary, I've done a lot of research, and I always will. I don't ever gather information half assed.
"aside from biased sources"
These are all my own interpretations. The sources about biblical editors do not seek to prove that the Bible is invalid. But they noticed discrepancies in the Old Hebrew translations of the Old Testament. So I'm not getting my information from some Anti-Bible website.
@amanda2324 "The Bible has plenty of evidence validating it's accuracy (that includes the Dead Sea Scrolls) as the Bible has over 5,700 manuscripts, while many other ancient texts that are accepted as true may only have 8 or 10. One ancient text has less than 700 manuscripts and is accepted as true."
Manuscripts do not prove Biblical validation. But then we must define what we mean by Biblical validation no? When "I" say this I am referring to authenticity of the text...
@amanda2324 (continued) as compared to how accurately it reflects the belief system of the Ancient Jews (roughly 3500 years ago). As far as the existence of its characters and settings, such as King David, the Hittites, Ur, etc. I have no trouble believing that the dead sea scrolls write about actual people and places.The Bible does not however prove that it is the word of God. We do know that it is the word of men though, since they wrote it of their own free will (except the 10 commandments).
@biggtk I wish I could give you some of the links to many websites that give such information as to the validity of the Bible, but Youtube prevents me sharing the links... so I suppose it will be left at that.
@amanda2324 Let me ask you this. What evidence exists, that proves that the Bible is the word of God? What proof is there that it has been untampered with? For another example, how do we know that the Hebrew proscription that proclaims women to be unclean whilst on their periods, is really the word of God as opposed to the superstitious nature of an Ancient people that didn't know any better?
@amanda2324 And just to be clear, my purpose here isn't contention. I'm not trying to shake your belief up or anything, but I detest the fact that so many people are willing to believe anything they hear without questioning it. When whole societies refuse to question their religious beliefs, then evil will, can, and has taken place. No, not the phantom boogeyman that is 'homosexuality', but evils such as slavery, mass genocide, and habitual oppression. Is it such a sin to ask tough questions?
u got skillz but it sound like u lived a gay life 4 ALL DA WRONG REASONS. i kno plenty of ppl that have been sexually abused as children, that dont mean u gotta be attracted to the opposite sex of the abuser. sound just like Lil Wayne (gettin down wit the 5 for ALL DA WRONG REASONS. he didnt "want" to be Blood) and just like a gang, u cant keep flip-floppin. sound like a false claimer to me. this is from a str8 male who knows God is love, and love is for everyone
please contact me i need your help i am battling with homosexuality so much and I FEEL God wanting me and he is helping me but i feel so alone please contact me
She was once a stud who made a choice to change after much thought and reading on the faith. Not everyone feels we made a choice to be gay. We were truly born this way. it hurts my heart to hear someone who thinks God doesn't respect gay ppl. Yes that is what she is saying.
@HeatherJFreeney She didn't say God doesn't respect gay ppl. God loves us all. However, he does not love the SIN of homosexuality. He loves us all!!! God bless you sweetie!
I totally respect your testimony and by all means I'm happy for you if this means that you're happier with yourself and I guess your relationship with God. However, I feel as if this is highly one sided. I mean, you were a stud and your testimony comes from you changing yourself to become more like a man but what about lipstick lesbians who embrace their femininity but still like women? And I'm talking about feminine women who like other feminine women...
I DNT GET YOU PEOPLE ON HERE... CLEARLY SHE'S NOT JUDGING YOUR LIFESTYLE NOR RELIGION ... IF YOUR A CHRISTIAN THAN THIS IS FOR YOU... IF YOU'VE BEEN LIKE MOST CHRISTIAN HOUSE HOLDS THAN I GUARANTEE SOMEONE IN YOUR FAMILY HAS THOUGH THINGS LIKE THIS AT YOU , IT'S NOT EVEN THE FACT THAT WHAT THEY BELIEVE IS RIGHT ITS SIMPLY JUST .... THAT ... I MEAN DON'T GET ME WRONG YOUR GOING TO BELIEVE WHAT EVER YOU WANT TO BELIEVE SHE'S JUST TRYING TO HELP YOU OUT. #THATSALL
going to hell. I am passionate about this because I have yet to find someone who can clearly answer these questions. The way you feel about homosexuals is no different than the way you feel about Buddhist, Muslims, Atheist, etc. You feel that what you believe is right. You dont know any different. right? The most important ? is this (& im done) Y would GOD allow children to be "afflicted" with this "sin" & then put them in hell for what HE allowed with them having no choice in the matter???
More than half of their lives trying to remove and not be something that was placed on them without their knowledge. Ostracized by people like you, people in the church that would rather see a murderer free then a man/woman be gay. You speak on the bible and how gays will all go to hell if they dont repent, but according to the bible, "cutting of the flesh" is a sin "marking of the dead" is a sin. So anyone who has had or will have surgery is hell bound...anyone who has r.i.p on their body is
How can anyone say that someone cant be born gay?? Ive worked in a christian academy for over 5 years and have watched 2 & 3 year old boys who were obviously very gay. You said "God did not make you gay. He wouldnt make you something and say go to hell for it." A 3 year old child doesnt know what gay is. If you want to get into the supernatural and say its a homosexual spirit, then God allowed the devil to infiltrate these children's souls without their permission, and now they spend......
@LyfezMuziq Just wondering, how did you decipher whether these 2 & year old boys were gay? A kids mind is very impressionable during the early stages of their lives so they could have just been mimicking what they have saw. Does that mean they were gay? that's a unanimous no.
@Tifo316 I wasn't comparing being Gay to killing yourself?!?!!? I was talking about attraction!!! We as humans can be attracted to various things for various reasons. But again, after the attraction occurs, it still boils down to choice~and how we decide to respond to what or whom is attracting us!!
@tifo thanks for responding! Attraction and again choosing who you desire to be with is still two separate issues. Just bc I'm attracted to someone bc of their looks or status doesn't mean I'm going to choose to be with that person. They can other qualities I don't like about them! Attraction is simply put a force or DRawing toward another person. It's all science when it comes to attraction, But,again, what if someone is feeling depressed and feels DRawn to kill themselves. Again, it's~choice!
@MsMe712 You can't really compare killing yourself to being gay. If your not attracted to women or men then being with them would be lying which is a sin as well.
I'm glad to see you have come to the cross and that's what counts. Be blessed in the service of the Lord reach who you can and pray for those who wont hear the word of the Lord. God good
The naysayers say that homosexuality is not a choice! But don't you chose who you wanna be with? You choose who you want to sleep with! You chose who you want to make your woman OR man!!! IF, attraction is something that happens at random or IF, it's something that cannot be controlled, why aren't you attracted to animals or even children! WE DO have control over who we want to be with. WE DO have a choice. Therefore, homosexuality is just as much a choice as it is being heterosexual.....
@tifo316 not everyone acts on their option to choose. So not everyone is bisexual, but everyone is subject to choose that orientation. Just as with homosexuality. The more you glorify that lifestyle, the more it consumes you. It's never liberating to worship anything other than God and it leads to a life of bondage. Chained to this world and promised to doom just like it
@WhOsDaTcHiK Being gay isn't a sin. Seeping with anyone before marriage is. People like you are the reason atheism is on the rise. Instead of love and compassion you show judgment and hatred. I wonder how it is that Jesus loved and even spent time with sinners but his alleged followers can't even attempt to do the same.
@tifo316 This is such an ignorant comment, i understand where your coming from as far as it being a double standard for straight people being sexual active before marriage, and homosexuals, society only recognizes homosexuality as a sin..not everything else everyone does...but right now you are bashing this young women and jesus. she is simply sharing her story with people going through the same issues that she was.
@tifo316 Though Jesus spent time with sinners & loved them & called them to repentance, I'm sure he didn't forget where sin leads people. I hear many homosexuals consistently say "God is love" or "Only God can judge me" & they are right. But they fail to grasp the truth that God must judge sin! Nowhere in Scripture does God co-sign homosexuality. Leviticus 18:22 & Deuteronomy 22:5 basically proves God's stance on that.
@shel2185 "Nowhere in Scripture does God co-sign homosexuality."
But He cosigns slavery quite a bit. Does that mean that slavery is justifiable and that God finds it tolerable? If you don't believe me, I challenge you to find me one verse in the Bible that deals with slavery, in which slavery is being held as wrong or sinful?
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord."
Eph 6:5
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ."
@biggtk I think you are taking those out of context. God doesn't co-sign slavery at all. but this was the practices of the people at this time. So God gave comfort to people who were in slavery showing them how to deal with it. But did he give people the right to enslave? i don't think so
@shel2185 "God doesn't co-sign slavery at all. but this was the practices of the people at this time"
Exodus and Leviticus are a part of the Mosaic law, supposedly given to him by 'GOD'. Paul and Peter's writings in the new testament are considered HOLY SCRIPTURE, and here they are telling slaves to submit, in which Peter says that slaves should obey their masters even if they are cruel to them.
@shel2185 Jesus is silent on the matter, and there's not one word in the Bible that proclaims slavery as an evil institution. How do you explain this? And make no mistake, whether the Bible says so or not, slavery IS evil. Period. It doesn't matter what Paul, Peter, or Moses has written, slavery is immoral.
@biggtk Jesus says the greatest law is love. On that hangs all the laws. So if you are going in love to your brother of sister why would you enslave them? Jesus didnt have to speak directly on the subject cause on that saying alone, one would have to ask, If i love a person, why would i subject them to that?
Yes, this law stems from the 'actual' law of God, called the Ten Commandments. It's a law that is both perfect and wise. If only people would follow it.
"On that hangs all the laws"
Not the Mosaic ones. Apparently you haven't read through them in a while. There's nothing loving about selling your child into slavery. It was wrong then, as it is now.
"Jesus didnt have to speak directly on the subject cause on that saying alone, one would have to ask, If i love a person, why would i subject them to that"
If you love a person, why would you call them like a pariah because they are on their period (Leviticus 15:19)? Why would you force an unmarried woman to marry her rapist (Deut 22:28-29)? Why after you have defeated the enemy in battle, will you then force a woman you're attracted to to marry and have sex with you (Deut 21:10-13)?
@biggtk Alot of these things you are speaking on is how they did things back in these times. Do you really think people would do these things now? C'mon these are stories showing God guidelines for dealing with Israel. A lot of these things would not be done now
@shel2185 "C'mon these are stories showing God guidelines for dealing with Israel"
So he deals with the daughters of Israel by allowing them to sale their daughters into slavery? And allowing Israel to enslave people from neighboring nations? You don't honestly believe that? If that's so then God couldn't have been to upset whilst the europeans were enslaving africans (and the Irish/native americans before blacks arrived) right?
@shel2185 "So God gave comfort to people who were in slavery showing them how to deal with it"
So slavery wasn't good enough for the Jewish people (while they were in Egypt), but it's okay for everyone else, and then later generations of Jewish people? Since when does God teach people how to deal with evil, but not teach that the specific practice in question is in fact evil? Remember, Paul and Peter ministered to Gentiles, so wouldn't it have been prudent to teach everyone to abhor slavery?
@shel2185 Understand this shel. I "don't" believe for one second that God co-signed slavery, but that's because I reject large portions of the Bible because they are man's word, not God's word. But if you believe that the Bible is the complete and infallible word of God, then you must also believe that God tolerated slavery (for social groups).
"People that have tried to use Scripture to justify slavery have completely got it wrong"
That's because biblical authors have gotten it wrong.
Leviticus 18:22 only mentions male same sex relations, and some scholars so far have shown that it was only the passive partner who was being punished. That changed when redactors edited the Old Testament thousands of years later, changing it to both passive and active partner being punished. And then some other scholars hold the view that we still have no idea what or who this verse (leviticus 18:22) is referring to.
@shel2185 However, it is intellectually dishonest to assume that just because something is pronounced in Scripture, that it automatically must be the definitive truth of God. That is ridiculous, unless you believe that there really was a time in which God would view any man or woman who touched a woman (non-sexually) while she was on her period, as unclean? God has given you a brain. Please use it. Superstition is unbecoming.
@biggtk So are you saying that its a superstition to keep people from being with the same sex? you sound ridiculous right now. Sex at its core is for reproduction. Only man & woman can pro-create. if you can be born gay, how would reproduction still take place in the human species? it wouldn't be able to. It's not superstitious, It's going against God's natural order. Period.
@shel2185 "So are you saying that its a superstition to keep people from being with the same sex"
No, I'm saying that it's human prejudice, and nothing more or less. Heterosexuals happen to be the majority, and therefore less understanding people of ancient times would view them irrationally as dangerous to the social order. This is the same reason why many Scriptures have verses that subjugates and disrespects women. None such subjugation exists for men.
Most sex does not lead to reproduction. Women are only capable of conception for one week out of a month. Most people have sex for pleasure and intimacy, and mathematically speaking, because sex is used for this 'closeness' most of the time, one must assume that reproduction is not the primary reason for sex, though it is 'a' reason. But it's not a reason or purpose that dictates who can or cannot have sex. So spare me of the fallacies.
@shel2185 " if you can be born gay, how would reproduction still take place in the human species"
This question makes no sense. Reproduction still takes place even though people are born gay. And because nature has dictated that the birth rate of homosexual human beings remain significantly lower than that of heterosexual human beings, reproduction can and does still take place quite often. I'm not sure where you were going with that question?
I never said that two men or two women can procreate. I said that the main purpose of sex is not procreation (mathematical probability of sexual occurrences, and lack of copulation ability of women 3 weeks out of every month shows us this). The main purpose is pleasure and intimacy. Yes, couples 'need' pleasure and intimacy to survive as a couple. They do not need to procreate to keep their relationship in tact, though having children can be wonderful.
@biggtk If that's the true purpose, then God would have it that way so it's just pleasure & intimacy. Yet if you don't wear a condom, chances are, she will be pregnant. So why the use for condoms if that's the purpose?
@shel2185 " If that's the true purpose, then God would have it that way so it's just pleasure & intimacy"
This is a fallacy. You assume that 'primary purpose' is the only function of sex, thereby disregarding the fact that many processes have 'multiple functions'. But nature shows us that many things have multiple purposes. For example, the vagina can be used for sex, expulsion of blood, or childbirth. The mouth can be used for communication, tasting, or sexual stimulation.
@shel2185 To say that if God wanted the main purpose of sex to be pleasure/intimacy, then he would have made it possible for only that to occur is ridiculous.
"Alot of these things you are speaking on is how they did things back in these times"
Sir, slavery still exists today. Right at this very moment, several little girls and boys have been sold into slavery. Slavery is an ancient institution that has never been quelled.
@biggtk Im not talking about slavery, im talking about some of the customs that Israel did in ancient times. i know slavery still exists but God isn't happy about it one bit.
@shel2185 "Im not talking about slavery, im talking about some of the customs that Israel did in ancient times"
If we can just claim that some of the things in the Old Testament were simply God dealing with Israel's already pre-made customs, then why should we believe anything in the Old Testament (save the 10 commandments) was any different? Wouldn't that mean that these were the laws of 'men' and not laws ordained by God?
@shel2185 They did a lot of ridiculous things in Ancient times, like subjugating women, calling men who had wet dreams unclean, and killing gay people. And yet people in today's world continue to hold onto these ancient cultural rites as though they are laws from God himself. Hmm....
"Do you really think people would do these things now?"
You apparently know nothing of the plight of women and children in third world countries. Ask the people in Cambodia or Mexico, if slavery still exists.
@biggtk & God doesn't co-sign subjugating women cause the women are the partners of the men & they have their duties as well. just because the histories show a different picture doesn't mean the Bible is wrong on what God wants. People make decisions to do what they want to do. It's called free will & every human has it. Some have used it for good, others for evil.
@shel2185 "God doesn't co-sign subjugating women cause the women are the partners of the men"
I know that God doesn't co-sign this, but the Bible does. But then the Bible isn't 100% the word of God.So I have an easy time of separating the BS from the real deal. Just like Paul banning women from teaching men is not from God,nor is his opinion that women should submit to their husbands.
"women are the partners of the men"
We all walk in this world together, but I as a woman am no man's partner.
One's duties depends on the individual, not their gender.
"just because the histories show a different picture doesn't mean the Bible is wrong on what God wants"
Just because the histories show a different picture doesn't mean that the Bible is right on what God wants. And that's the point. The misogyny in the Bible is the result of man's law, not God's.
@shel2185 "People make decisions to do what they want to do. It's called free will & every human has it."
I'm not denying that people make decision or that they do what they want to do. I'm not even arguing with free will. But I am arguing with the 'infallibility & word of God' assumptions that people have had about the Bible since its inception.
@shel2185 Therefore your procreation argument is false, and has no authority to deny same sex couples from partaking in physical intimacy with each other. The procreation argument doesn't determine what's natural, right, or 'good' sex (and you haven't proven otherwise). It's simply a perk for those of a specific human sexual orientation (heterosexual).
@shel2185 "It's going against God's natural order"
And there's the superstition. The easiest way for unjustified prejudice to take place, is for it to be justified with superstitious and silly reasoning. God's natural order allows for 'diversity'. As far as I'm concerned, homosexuality is a part of God's natural order, as it shows up in 'nature'.
& where does it show up in nature? are you trying to lower human standards to that of the animals? what you are referring to is an male showing dominance over another male after a battle. Example: the male hippo mounts another male hippo after a battle showing him as victor. Nothing is sexual about that cause they are doing it to win a female of the species. A lot of animals do the same thing.
Google, homosexuality in nature or the animal kingdom.
"are you trying to lower human standards to that of the animals"
If heterosexuality doesn't lower humans to animalistic standards, then why would homosexuality? If you're going to use the 'it goes against God's natural order' as an argument, then you had better prepare yourself for a rude awakening about what exists in the nature that God has made.
@biggtk You make it sound like the animals are choosing to have sex. Only time animals have sex is during mating seasons & they find a female of the species, not a male. as i said before, No animal is homosexual. homosexuality is a choice. the animal kingdom doesn't choose. They know the right thing to do. it's only the humans that have made this difficult
@shel2185 " You make it sound like the animals are choosing to have sex"
Sweetie. Several mammalian animals have sex for pleasure. Penguins, Chimpanzees, and Dolphins to name a few. Some animals (such as some birds) actually mate with the opposite sex, and then raise their offspring with their long term same sex partner. Google it to see for yourself.
Homosexuality isn't a choice. Even most ex-gay organizations recognize this. Scientific evidence shows that homosexuals don't choose to be gay. What makes you think that people choose to be gay?
"They know the right thing to do"
They sure do, and for some of them, homosexual relationships are what's right for them. I'm sorry, but this homosexual phenomenon in nature has been well documented.
@biggtk Ok what child at 2, 3, 4 yrs old knows about homosexuality? 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 yrs old? No kid is thinking about that! c'mon. & the animals act off of instinct alone, not what they feel is right like us. the supposed homosexual showing in nature is one showing dominance over another, not sexual preference. What we do as humans is a sexual preference
@shel2185 " Ok what child at 2, 3, 4 yrs old knows about homosexuality?"
What child at 2, 3, or 4 years old knows about heterosexuality? What's your point here?
" No kid is thinking about that"
I didn't know anything about homosexuality at this age, but I was still physically/emotionally attracted to the same sex at the age of 5. It was my first crush. So again, what's your point?
@biggtk So you were attracted to a female at 5 yrs old...........sexually...........i find that hard to believe. & everyone is straight coming out the womb like i said before. My point is if you can be born gay, this is known straight from the door. With all the medical advances we have today, you mean to tell me a doctor still can't find out if that child will be gay? hmmm i wonder why....
@shel2185 "So you were attracted to a female at 5 yrs old...........sexually"
Yes I was. My actions based upon this attraction shows that there was sexual attraction. Though I didn't think of the subject of my attraction in any sexually compromising positions or anything, since I didn't know anything about sex.
@shel2185 " everyone is straight coming out the womb"
How can you tell? According to you, little kids know nothing of sexuality, and you obviously don't believe that children can be sexually attracted to someone else at such a young age (I wasn't abused or anything just for reference). So based on what do you come to a conclusion that everyone comes out the womb straight?
@shel2185 "Your natural sexual organ defines who you are"
It may define who 'you' are, but it only defines my sex. It doesn't determine sexual orientation, and nor does it limit sexual orientation. My hormones determine my sexual orientation. The fact that there are asexual people who are still attracted to men or women, contradicts your assertions that sexual organs define one's sexual orientation. If that was the case then why do asexual people (those who naturally have no sex drive) exist?
@shel2185 "Now who you choose to have sex with, that's a different story"
Sex is a choice. Sexual orientation is not. Naturally, people will choose to have sex with individuals that they are attracted to. People choose sexual partners based on their sexual orientation, they don't become gay or straight after they've chosen to have sex with someone.
@shel2185 "With all the medical advances we have today, you mean to tell me a doctor still can't find out if that child will be gay"
If our medical advances can't tell us if a kid will be straight or not, what makes you think it would be ever to tell us whether or not a kid will be gay or not? Although, studies have shown that hormone production in the womb may impact sexual orientation.
@biggtk But they haven't & still to this day, has not done so. & all the hormone production does is influence how masculine or feminine a person will be, not sexual orientation
@shel2185 "But they haven't & still to this day, has not done so"
Yeah, with both heterosexuality, bisexuality, and homosexuality. So I don't understand your point.
"all the hormone production does is influence how masculine or feminine a person will be"
False. Just because a man might be feminine, does not automatically mean that he is gay. This is why masculine gay men exists. Secondly, women with high levels of testosterone are not automatically masculine.
@shel2185 " You sound like you are trying to intellectually explain God"
I'm not intellectually explaining God, I'm intellectually explaining His creation. That thing we called nature is included in His creation. Right along with hormones and sexual orientation.
@shel2185 That is why there are plenty of feminine women with PCOS (which causes higher testosterone levels). As for me, I'm a masculine woman, and I've been pumped with estrogen my whole life (through birth control patches). So I'm pretty sure hormones are more complex than determining how masculine or feminine someone will be. The study I'm referring to, does mention though that the levels of certain hormones in the womb could shape sexual orientation. Google it.
@shel2185 "the animals act off of instinct alone"
When it comes to sex and relationships, some animals act off of their own conscious volition.
"not what they feel is right like us"
This doesn't even make sense. No one is straight or gay because of what they feel is right. Sure people try to pretend to be a certain sexual orientation based on what they feel is right, but sexual orientation is dictated by one's hormones, not their feelings of right and wrong. So???
@shel2185 "the supposed homosexual showing in nature is one showing dominance over another"
This is not what I'm talking about. You're talking about a completely different display of behavior. What you refer to would be more compared to rape and sex in prison. What I'm talking about are actual long term same-sex relationships in the animal kingdom. Yes, some of these animals have sex for pleasure, and some raise offspring with their same sex partner.
@biggtk Animals don't have relationships the way humans do. they just mate. & alot of animals raise off-spring with the same sex of that species due to supposed "better help" whatever that means. Are they homosexual & practice that? No
@shel2185 "Animals don't have relationships the way humans do"
There's a gay penguin couple who proves your assertions wrong. Not to mention there was a same sex bird couple (I think they were pelicans) who were not only committed in a relationship, they actually raised offspring together. So yes, some animals do have sex and engage in relationships as humans do.
@shel2185 "alot of animals raise off-spring with the same sex of that species due to supposed "better help""
That's in packs and prides. I'm talking about 2 same gendered animals raising offspring together (in a 'two parented home'), as opposed to raising their children with the help of the other females in the flock, pack, or pride.
"Are they homosexual & practice that"
There's no such thing as 'practicing' homosexuality. It's sexuality, not soccer.
@shel2185 "What we do as humans is a sexual preference"
The only people who have a sexual 'preference' are bisexuals. In this way they can sometimes "prefer" men more than women, or women more than men. But gay people are attracted to the same sex (they don't "prefer" the same sex over the opposite). The same goes for heterosexuals who don't prefer the opposite sex over the same gender, they are only attracted to the opposite sex.
@biggtk Everyone can choose cause your anatomy says otherwise. You can be a woman the rest of your life & at the end of the day, a man's sexual organ will fit with your sexual organ no matter what. You can try to intellectually explain it all you want but your body doesn't lie.
@shel2185 " Everyone can choose cause your anatomy says otherwise"
That doesn't make any sense. Perhaps you can elaborate?
"You can be a woman the rest of your life & at the end of the day, a man's sexual organ will fit with your sexual organ no matter what"
A man's sexual organ will fit into a man anus as well? As a woman's finger and tongue fits into a woman's sexual organ as well. I'm not sure what you're point is?
@biggtk Your anatomy says you belong with a man cause your sexual organ & his naturally go together. & you are really twisting my words to fit what you want it to be. You know what i mean when i say a "male's sexual organ" stop getting dumb
@shel2185 "Your anatomy says you belong with a man cause your sexual organ & his naturally go together"
A man's anatomy naturally goes with male or female anatomy. The perks of having an external sexual organ. However, for me, a woman's anatomy naturally goes with mine, since that is what I am attracted to. Having sex with a man would disgust me (not that men are disgusting. I'm just not attracted to them like that), and do absolutely nothing for me.
@shel2185 Not to mention the fact that personality wise, emotionally, mentally, physically, etc, I'm only attracted to women.
" You know what i mean when i say a "male's sexual organ" stop getting dumb"
The 'penis' fits naturally into an anus as it does a vagina. In fact, a penis fits naturally into the gas tank of a car. That is why your assertion of anatomical penetrative capability is illogical. As a man can penetrate a car, but that wouldn't mean that he was meant to have sex with it.
@biggtk You're giving me all these other examples that mean nothing to the point of where God stands on homosexuality. All these other things are irrelevant. i'm not talking to the scholars, researchers, scientists, etc. I'm talking to you! The Lord knew his purpose for creating male & female. If two men or two women are supposed to be together, it would fit naturally. it doesn't. not mentally, physically, emotionally, nothing!
@shel2185 "You're giving me all these other examples that mean nothing to the point of where God stands on homosexuality"
Oh they mean something. What I've been showing you is that the Bible is the word of men, not God (save for the ten commandments, which is said to be directly authored by God alone).
"The Lord knew his purpose for creating male & female. If two men or two women are supposed to be together, it would fit naturally."
"It" does fit naturally. Why would you think it wouldn't?
@biggtk & men(humankind) is God's creation so what's your point? The Bible is God's living Word written by God thru men for mankind! but again: believe what you want. When it's all over, we'll see who was right
@shel2185 " not mentally, physically, emotionally, nothing"
And your evidence for this? Because of millions of people's same sex romantic mental, physical, emotional, biological, spiritual, and loving connections tend to prove your claims wrong.
" But if you feel that's the way you are, be my guest to keep living that way"
Lol, I don't 'live' my sexuality. I don't live my same sex attraction, anymore than I live my eye color, or my right handedness.
@biggtk But if you feel that's the way you are, be my guest to keep living that way. But i am supremely confident that if you really turn to Jesus & give this all to Him, He will change this around & show you the truth & the truth will make you free. All these other examples you are referring to, God isn't worried about that. He's the Creator. We are the creation! On the day of Judgement, God isn't gonna ask you about your "examples"
@shel2185 " But i am supremely confident that if you really turn to Jesus & give this all to Him, He will change this around & show you the truth & the truth will make you free"
I find it irritatingly funny that you automatically assume that I haven't done just this ^, and that my present frame of mind isn't the result of Jesus showing me the truth, and healing the brokenness left behind by a brutal homophobic society. When's the last time 'you' went to Jesus about this subject? Never...
@shel2185 The truth is that I have been changed around by God. This change manifested itself by helping me to erase my self hatred of my God-given sexual orientation, and the Lord gave me the strength and courage to accept who he made me to be (a gay woman). There is freedom in the truth, and only slavery in lies. Gay people who pretend to be straight (all homosexuals who claim to be ex-gay) are only in self bondage and hatred. I feel for them more than you know.
He's not worried about his people putting people into slavery, or making it okay to force raped women to marry their rapists, in "His" name? Lol, I see...
"On the day of Judgement, God isn't gonna ask you about your "examples""
He's not going to ask me about my sexual orientation or any girlfriends or wives I might have in the future either.
@biggtk i see exactly what you like to do. you like to take pieces of what im saying on the subject of homosexuality & flip them to other topics that we were not debating. So why are we even having this discussion? you're not even staying on the topic discussed smh
@biggtk The Lord can change ANY situation. you sit & write from the perspective that God can't do it. i encourage you to really seek God & test Him & He will prove Himself to you as He has done to me. Intellectually trying to explain God is foolish. He cannot be boxed it, He cannot be set to a bunch of rules. He is the Almighty God! the First & the Last, Alpha & Omega! you're fighting a losing battle trying to match wits with God.
The Lord can make me grow wings, or change me into a white woman as well. Will he change my biological nature? Doubtful. The same can be said for my biological same-sex orientation.
"you sit & write from the perspective that God can't do it"
You sit and write from the perspective that God 'will' or 'wants' to do it.
@shel2185 "Intellectually trying to explain God is foolish. He cannot be boxed it, He cannot be set to a bunch of rules."
You mean rules like "if you have a penis, you should be attracted to a vagina, and vice versa. Otherwise you're going against God's will"? I do not seek to box God in. I am simply more mindful of his diverse creation, enough to know that homosexuality isn't some sinful practice created by the devil, but that it's a natural variant of human sexuality created by God.
@biggtk But, do what you want to do. God loves you & others who are in that lifestyle. it's the lifestyle He hates. That's why He says to repent & turn away from evil things. If you wanna question God, say His Word is wrong, it's a fallacy, fine. But when this is all over, God's Word & Truth will stand supreme. Jesus can change lives! but's that for you to seek for.
@shel2185 " others who are in that lifestyle. it's the lifestyle He hates"
There's no such thing as a homosexual lifestyle. I can't imagine God liking the ex-gay lifestyle though, since it is a lie, and does nothing but causes one to be afraid of their shadows, and hate themselves. It truly is sad and unfortunate.
@shel2185 "If you wanna question God, say His Word is wrong, it's a fallacy, fine."
There's nothing wrong with questioning God (since I question in a genuinely curious way with no malicious intent). I'm not saying God's word is wrong. I'm saying that it is a fallacy to call the Bible God's word.
"That's why He says to repent & turn away from evil things"
@biggtk & what scripture supports God co-signing homosexuality? "I'm not saying God's word is wrong. I'm saying that it is a fallacy to call the Bible God's word."
You really sound ridiculous right now......but keep going.....
"Jesus can change lives! but's that for you to seek for."
I agree. Everyday Jesus teaches "ex-gays" to repent of their lies and self despair by accepting who God has made them to be. Same-sex loving people. The ex-gay road leads to self delusion, rationalizations that amount to little more than deception, death (suicide), and emptiness. Basically, everything except heterosexual conversion :-)
@biggtk .............& what Bible did you read this from? so the "ex-gay" leads to "self delusion, rationalizations that amount to little more than deception, death (suicide), and emptiness." so all ppl who came out of that are lying & God's hates that...............keep going. you just digging this hole deeper & deeper.........
Lol, unlike you, I don't take the views of ancient peoples as though they are the undeniable truth that all future generations should live by. Therefore, my analysis of the ex-gay lifestyle comes from personal experience, real world observation, scientific analysis, and the lack of evidence and lack of successful sexual conversion statistics that ex-gay programs seem unable to obtain.
@biggtk Sooo you're trying to determine what this is based on man's findings? but you said you were changed by "God".........oxymoron don't you think?
@shel2185 "Sooo you're trying to determine what this is based on man's findings"
Sweetie, even the Bible says that you will know something by the fruit of its works. If it was possible for gay people to become heterosexuals, then there would be plentiful fruits for all of us to bare. But there are no fruits. There are only roses with poisonous thorns.
@shel2185 "wrong. Jesus was speaking of the Children of God & the fruits of the Spirit they exhibit."
No, I'm not wrong. Jesus was saying that you know if someone is doing something according to God's will by the fruits of their actions. Ex-gay ministries produce no good fruits. Only poison. They sure haven't change any homosexual to a heterosexual.
@biggtk So God changed back to being gay........ok
& what are you talking about documents for? God doesn't need a document to show His work! ppl have been delivered from this sin time & time again! I have a aunt who was gay for 30 yrs! today she is married 10 yrs with 3 kids & has NEVER gone back! So don't tell me what God cannot do! you don't wanna believe? fine that's you
@shel2185 "So God changed back to being gay........ok"
You tend to read selectively don't you? I said that God helped me to accept myself, by changing my mind, heart, and spirit. I was never anything other than a lesbian. Even when I pretended like I wasn't gay anymore. So no, God did not change me back to being gay. He helped me to accept myself and rebuke my ex-gay lies.
@shel2185 "God doesn't need a document to show His work"
Only a gullible person would say something like that. Yes, if God advocates something, then we need to see the fruits of his words. In this way we can witness for ourselves truth of God's power and best interests for us. He did not get the Israelites to trust him without first showing them proof of his words, intentions, and power.
Yes, God is sufficient!
zuri7000 1 month ago
Talking about white god az ur man! Where iz ur black man to luv u dammit! Show uz the BLACK MAN u will allow to fkn love u. Emotionally and physically!
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@SpiritMan33 Doesn't this mean that celibate individuals are also sinning against God, since they too are not "being fruitful and multiplying"? If so, then both Jesus and Paul were sinning on this account. If it is not a sin for celibate people to exist thereby rejecting procreation, then same sex relations cannot be held as a sin because of "its" lack of procreation.
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I love this.
poet56565 3 months ago
Excellent confession. You are on fire. Bless the Lord for your transparency. Be blessed Jackie Hill. You are an inspiration.
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AMEN! The opinions of people who don't know God don't compare to God's opinion whatsoever. I'm proud of you! God bless your journey...
aleinagaloia206 3 months ago
one thing to say THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN BY MAN N REWRITTEN OVER N OVER. JESUS NEVER SPOKE FOR NOR AGAINST HOMOSEXUALITY! SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW HE FEELS. I'M GAY N VERY BLESSED SO GOD LOVES ME!
Luckyone4482 3 months ago
@Luckyone4482 No, the Bible was NEVER rewritten, it was merely translated differently. And Jesus never spoke against beating grandma's with baseball bats, either, along with a very large variety of other crimes and things. That doesn't mean that we don't know how he feels about those things. And please, stop posting in all caps - it comes across as rather rude.
amanda2324 2 months ago
@amanda2324 " No, the Bible was NEVER rewritten, it was merely translated differently"
Then what is your explanation for the fact that Jawhists, Elohists, Deuteronomists, and Priestly writers edited and added their own words to the Old testament as "Redactors", starting in 950 B.C.E? Why would the book of Revelations threaten swift punishment for anyone who dares to change its words, but not threaten punishment for anyone who changes the other books of the bible?
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@biggtk It's easy for someone to go back and find out what was rewritten and then translate it correctly. Your claims of the "rewriting" of the Bible does not invalidate all translations of the Bible, or the true Bible in any way. King James version is one of the most accurate translations of the Bible, though there are some flaws - because Greek and Hebrew had words that we don't have specific words for.
amanda2324 2 months ago
@amanda2324 "It's easy for someone to go back and find out what was rewritten and then translate it correctly"
No it's not. You see, the dead sea scrolls that we have are but a version of the "Old Testament" that was written down thousands of years after the time of Moses. So all we have to go on is this thousand year later written transcription. How do we verify its authenticity?
biggtk 2 months ago
@amanda2324 "Your claims of the "rewriting" of the Bible does not invalidate all translations of the Bible, or the true Bible in any way"
I can't invalidate the Bible since it has not even been validated in first place. What we know as scripture today, may be something "queer" to the people who followed Moses out of Egypt. But my point was that there is evidence that there were 'ghost' writers and editors that felt the need to add their own values. Does this not give us cause to question?
biggtk 2 months ago
@amanda2324 " King James version is one of the most accurate translations of the Bible"
No, it's the most accurate version of what was written on the Dead Sea Scrolls. But can you tell me who wrote these scriptures on the Dead Sea Scrolls, or what evidence we have that their transcriptions were accurate to anything that the Ancient Hebrew people would have recognized? I'm not saying that this invalidates the Bible, but it certainly doesn't validate it either.
biggtk 2 months ago
@amanda2324 "though there are some flaws - because Greek and Hebrew had words that we don't have specific words for."
Actually we created words where there were none. Such as the word sodomite. The KJV has used the word sodomite whenever the Old hebrew word 'Qadesh' was written. This is an egregious error since Qadesh simply means 'male prostitute', with its female equivalent being Qadesha.So anytime sodomite is used in the Bible, it is false, and it shows the politics of biblical translation.
biggtk 2 months ago
@amanda2324 Does that mean that the author of Revelations suspected that the other books of the Bible were being defiled? Even the bible itself recognizes that scripture has been changed and added to. Jeremiah 8:8 says "How can you say, ‘We are wise,
And the law of the LORD is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes
Has made "it" into a lie." It is folly to believe that the Bible is infallible, or that it is 100% the word of God.
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@biggtk "Has made "it" into a lie." It is folly to believe that the Bible is infallible, or that it is 100% the word of God."
That is incorrect. The verse is referring to PEOPLE who CLAIM that the Word says "this" when it does not say at all. Or, for example, to people who mistranslate something, or take something to mean something that it does not. This does not mean that the Bible has been "rewritten."
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@amanda2324 "That is incorrect. The verse is referring to PEOPLE who CLAIM that the Word says "this" when it does not say at all."
Read the verse again. It mentions 'scribes'. Scribes are people who rewrite written documents or oral stories that already exist. Why does this verse mention scribes changing the word of God into a lie if it's simply talking about false teachers?
biggtk 2 months ago
@amanda2324 "people who mistranslate something, or take something to mean something that it does not. This does not mean that the Bible has been "rewritten.""
Scribes were also theologians and jurists (experts and writers of law) in ancient Israel. Therefore if THEY were changing God's word into a lie, then it's not a stretch to assume that someone listened to them (cult leader effect). This alone could cause a deviation from original material. How can you prove that this didn't happen?
biggtk 2 months ago
@amanda2324 In order for something to be infallible, it must have evidence proving its naysayers wrong, and also have evidence that proves its own position to be definitively true. We know of mistranslations, ghost writers, ignorance of certain old Hebrew/Greek words, scriptures that were written thousands of years after the events on transcription took place, and the Bible had editors who added their own values. We even know that it was humans who decided what books would be added to the Bible.
biggtk 2 months ago
@amanda2324 In my mind, this gives us cause to pause, and use precise exegesis to figure out if what we've always been told about "scripture" is really as accurate as we think it is.
biggtk 2 months ago
@biggtk I'm not going to reply to all of your posts - but it seems to me you really haven't done much research on the subject, aside from biased sources. The Bible has plenty of evidence validating it's accuracy (that includes the Dead Sea Scrolls) as the Bible has over 5,700 manuscripts, while many other ancient texts that are accepted as true may only have 8 or 10. One ancient text has less than 700 manuscripts and is accepted as true.
amanda2324 2 months ago
@amanda2324 " but it seems to me you really haven't done much research on the subject"
On the contrary, I've done a lot of research, and I always will. I don't ever gather information half assed.
"aside from biased sources"
These are all my own interpretations. The sources about biblical editors do not seek to prove that the Bible is invalid. But they noticed discrepancies in the Old Hebrew translations of the Old Testament. So I'm not getting my information from some Anti-Bible website.
biggtk 2 months ago
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@amanda2324 "The Bible has plenty of evidence validating it's accuracy (that includes the Dead Sea Scrolls) as the Bible has over 5,700 manuscripts, while many other ancient texts that are accepted as true may only have 8 or 10. One ancient text has less than 700 manuscripts and is accepted as true."
Manuscripts do not prove Biblical validation. But then we must define what we mean by Biblical validation no? When "I" say this I am referring to authenticity of the text...
biggtk 2 months ago
@amanda2324 (continued) as compared to how accurately it reflects the belief system of the Ancient Jews (roughly 3500 years ago). As far as the existence of its characters and settings, such as King David, the Hittites, Ur, etc. I have no trouble believing that the dead sea scrolls write about actual people and places.The Bible does not however prove that it is the word of God. We do know that it is the word of men though, since they wrote it of their own free will (except the 10 commandments).
biggtk 2 months ago
@biggtk I wish I could give you some of the links to many websites that give such information as to the validity of the Bible, but Youtube prevents me sharing the links... so I suppose it will be left at that.
amanda2324 2 months ago
@amanda2324 Let me ask you this. What evidence exists, that proves that the Bible is the word of God? What proof is there that it has been untampered with? For another example, how do we know that the Hebrew proscription that proclaims women to be unclean whilst on their periods, is really the word of God as opposed to the superstitious nature of an Ancient people that didn't know any better?
biggtk 2 months ago
@amanda2324 And just to be clear, my purpose here isn't contention. I'm not trying to shake your belief up or anything, but I detest the fact that so many people are willing to believe anything they hear without questioning it. When whole societies refuse to question their religious beliefs, then evil will, can, and has taken place. No, not the phantom boogeyman that is 'homosexuality', but evils such as slavery, mass genocide, and habitual oppression. Is it such a sin to ask tough questions?
biggtk 2 months ago
can somebody let me know about what's going on with the Ex shirts
lilmarque1 4 months ago
He has truly given you beauty for the ashes... God bless!
Deon4christ 6 months ago
AM I THE ONLY GAY PERSON THAT HAD AN EZ LIFE??
I HAD A WONDERFUL CHILDHOOD WIT LOVING PARENTS FAMILY AND FRIENDS...
I NEVA HAD A HOMO AROUND ME OR N MY FAM..
NEVA WAS ABUSED OR HAD SUM KIND OF CRAZY SHIT HAPPEN..
BUT I AM A LESBIAN..I WAS NEVA "STRAIGHT" NOT EVEN SURE WAT IT FEELS LIK..
GOD BLESSED ME ENOUGH TO KNW WHO I WAS/AM..
I NEVA LOST MY WAY AND I ALWAYS THANK HIM FOR THAT..Y WUD GOD MAKE ME GAY?? IDK BUT I KNW HE DOESNT MAKE MISTAKES..
HE WORKS N MYSTERIOUS WAYS I GUESS..
SimpliiLo 8 months ago
u got skillz but it sound like u lived a gay life 4 ALL DA WRONG REASONS. i kno plenty of ppl that have been sexually abused as children, that dont mean u gotta be attracted to the opposite sex of the abuser. sound just like Lil Wayne (gettin down wit the 5 for ALL DA WRONG REASONS. he didnt "want" to be Blood) and just like a gang, u cant keep flip-floppin. sound like a false claimer to me. this is from a str8 male who knows God is love, and love is for everyone
pyrex55 9 months ago
I've never met you, but you have touched my life. Thank you.
aleinagaloia1 9 months ago
please contact me i need your help i am battling with homosexuality so much and I FEEL God wanting me and he is helping me but i feel so alone please contact me
ebrat4lyfe@yahoo.com
effyew14 10 months ago
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I sent you a video series sis, this may help you also...Much peace and love on your journey. God has you no matter what...
easylistening27 9 months ago
She was once a stud who made a choice to change after much thought and reading on the faith. Not everyone feels we made a choice to be gay. We were truly born this way. it hurts my heart to hear someone who thinks God doesn't respect gay ppl. Yes that is what she is saying.
HeatherJFreeney 11 months ago
@HeatherJFreeney She didn't say God doesn't respect gay ppl. God loves us all. However, he does not love the SIN of homosexuality. He loves us all!!! God bless you sweetie!
sherrellboo09 10 months ago
I totally respect your testimony and by all means I'm happy for you if this means that you're happier with yourself and I guess your relationship with God. However, I feel as if this is highly one sided. I mean, you were a stud and your testimony comes from you changing yourself to become more like a man but what about lipstick lesbians who embrace their femininity but still like women? And I'm talking about feminine women who like other feminine women...
Candican2 11 months ago 2
I DNT GET YOU PEOPLE ON HERE... CLEARLY SHE'S NOT JUDGING YOUR LIFESTYLE NOR RELIGION ... IF YOUR A CHRISTIAN THAN THIS IS FOR YOU... IF YOU'VE BEEN LIKE MOST CHRISTIAN HOUSE HOLDS THAN I GUARANTEE SOMEONE IN YOUR FAMILY HAS THOUGH THINGS LIKE THIS AT YOU , IT'S NOT EVEN THE FACT THAT WHAT THEY BELIEVE IS RIGHT ITS SIMPLY JUST .... THAT ... I MEAN DON'T GET ME WRONG YOUR GOING TO BELIEVE WHAT EVER YOU WANT TO BELIEVE SHE'S JUST TRYING TO HELP YOU OUT. #THATSALL
markiebeatz1 11 months ago
going to hell. I am passionate about this because I have yet to find someone who can clearly answer these questions. The way you feel about homosexuals is no different than the way you feel about Buddhist, Muslims, Atheist, etc. You feel that what you believe is right. You dont know any different. right? The most important ? is this (& im done) Y would GOD allow children to be "afflicted" with this "sin" & then put them in hell for what HE allowed with them having no choice in the matter???
LyfezMuziq 11 months ago
More than half of their lives trying to remove and not be something that was placed on them without their knowledge. Ostracized by people like you, people in the church that would rather see a murderer free then a man/woman be gay. You speak on the bible and how gays will all go to hell if they dont repent, but according to the bible, "cutting of the flesh" is a sin "marking of the dead" is a sin. So anyone who has had or will have surgery is hell bound...anyone who has r.i.p on their body is
LyfezMuziq 11 months ago
How can anyone say that someone cant be born gay?? Ive worked in a christian academy for over 5 years and have watched 2 & 3 year old boys who were obviously very gay. You said "God did not make you gay. He wouldnt make you something and say go to hell for it." A 3 year old child doesnt know what gay is. If you want to get into the supernatural and say its a homosexual spirit, then God allowed the devil to infiltrate these children's souls without their permission, and now they spend......
LyfezMuziq 11 months ago
@LyfezMuziq Just wondering, how did you decipher whether these 2 & year old boys were gay? A kids mind is very impressionable during the early stages of their lives so they could have just been mimicking what they have saw. Does that mean they were gay? that's a unanimous no.
shel2185 8 months ago
This is beautiful
DirtyFaceCapon3 1 year ago
@diabla61..... TAHT IS SO FAR FROM THE TRUTH..... U CAN CHANGE
jkelly2727 1 year ago
@Tifo316 I wasn't comparing being Gay to killing yourself?!?!!? I was talking about attraction!!! We as humans can be attracted to various things for various reasons. But again, after the attraction occurs, it still boils down to choice~and how we decide to respond to what or whom is attracting us!!
MsMe712 1 year ago 14
i pray you will continue to let GOD use you in a mighty way, your testimony is touching lives.
bigsimon111 1 year ago 17
@tifo thanks for responding! Attraction and again choosing who you desire to be with is still two separate issues. Just bc I'm attracted to someone bc of their looks or status doesn't mean I'm going to choose to be with that person. They can other qualities I don't like about them! Attraction is simply put a force or DRawing toward another person. It's all science when it comes to attraction, But,again, what if someone is feeling depressed and feels DRawn to kill themselves. Again, it's~choice!
MsMe712 1 year ago
@MsMe712 You can't really compare killing yourself to being gay. If your not attracted to women or men then being with them would be lying which is a sin as well.
tifo316 1 year ago
I'm glad to see you have come to the cross and that's what counts. Be blessed in the service of the Lord reach who you can and pray for those who wont hear the word of the Lord. God good
kjenkins38 1 year ago
The naysayers say that homosexuality is not a choice! But don't you chose who you wanna be with? You choose who you want to sleep with! You chose who you want to make your woman OR man!!! IF, attraction is something that happens at random or IF, it's something that cannot be controlled, why aren't you attracted to animals or even children! WE DO have control over who we want to be with. WE DO have a choice. Therefore, homosexuality is just as much a choice as it is being heterosexual.....
MsMe712 1 year ago 2
@MsMe712 Except you don't choose who your attracted to. If it's the choice your talking about then everyone is bisexual.
tifo316 1 year ago
@tifo316 not everyone acts on their option to choose. So not everyone is bisexual, but everyone is subject to choose that orientation. Just as with homosexuality. The more you glorify that lifestyle, the more it consumes you. It's never liberating to worship anything other than God and it leads to a life of bondage. Chained to this world and promised to doom just like it
WhOsDaTcHiK 1 year ago
@WhOsDaTcHiK Being gay isn't a sin. Seeping with anyone before marriage is. People like you are the reason atheism is on the rise. Instead of love and compassion you show judgment and hatred. I wonder how it is that Jesus loved and even spent time with sinners but his alleged followers can't even attempt to do the same.
tifo316 1 year ago
@tifo316 This is such an ignorant comment, i understand where your coming from as far as it being a double standard for straight people being sexual active before marriage, and homosexuals, society only recognizes homosexuality as a sin..not everything else everyone does...but right now you are bashing this young women and jesus. she is simply sharing her story with people going through the same issues that she was.
musicology2010 10 months ago
@tifo316 Though Jesus spent time with sinners & loved them & called them to repentance, I'm sure he didn't forget where sin leads people. I hear many homosexuals consistently say "God is love" or "Only God can judge me" & they are right. But they fail to grasp the truth that God must judge sin! Nowhere in Scripture does God co-sign homosexuality. Leviticus 18:22 & Deuteronomy 22:5 basically proves God's stance on that.
shel2185 8 months ago
@shel2185 "Nowhere in Scripture does God co-sign homosexuality."
But He cosigns slavery quite a bit. Does that mean that slavery is justifiable and that God finds it tolerable? If you don't believe me, I challenge you to find me one verse in the Bible that deals with slavery, in which slavery is being held as wrong or sinful?
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@biggtk No where in the Bible does God co-sign slavery. People that have tried to use Scripture to justify slavery have completely got it wrong
shel2185 2 months ago
@shel2185 God doesn't co-sign slavery?
Exodus 21:7
“7"And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.
Leviticus 25:44
"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves."
Titus 2:9
"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them"
biggtk 2 months ago
@shel2185 1 Peter 2:18
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."
Col 3:22
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord."
Eph 6:5
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ."
biggtk 2 months ago
@biggtk I think you are taking those out of context. God doesn't co-sign slavery at all. but this was the practices of the people at this time. So God gave comfort to people who were in slavery showing them how to deal with it. But did he give people the right to enslave? i don't think so
shel2185 2 months ago
@shel2185 "God doesn't co-sign slavery at all. but this was the practices of the people at this time"
Exodus and Leviticus are a part of the Mosaic law, supposedly given to him by 'GOD'. Paul and Peter's writings in the new testament are considered HOLY SCRIPTURE, and here they are telling slaves to submit, in which Peter says that slaves should obey their masters even if they are cruel to them.
biggtk 2 months ago
@shel2185 Jesus is silent on the matter, and there's not one word in the Bible that proclaims slavery as an evil institution. How do you explain this? And make no mistake, whether the Bible says so or not, slavery IS evil. Period. It doesn't matter what Paul, Peter, or Moses has written, slavery is immoral.
biggtk 2 months ago
@biggtk Jesus says the greatest law is love. On that hangs all the laws. So if you are going in love to your brother of sister why would you enslave them? Jesus didnt have to speak directly on the subject cause on that saying alone, one would have to ask, If i love a person, why would i subject them to that?
shel2185 2 months ago
@shel2185 "Jesus says the greatest law is love"
Yes, this law stems from the 'actual' law of God, called the Ten Commandments. It's a law that is both perfect and wise. If only people would follow it.
"On that hangs all the laws"
Not the Mosaic ones. Apparently you haven't read through them in a while. There's nothing loving about selling your child into slavery. It was wrong then, as it is now.
biggtk 2 months ago
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@shel2185 "So if you are going in love to your brother of sister why would you enslave them"
You should ask Moses this. He wrote (supposedly) Exodus and Leviticus.
biggtk 2 months ago
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"Jesus didnt have to speak directly on the subject cause on that saying alone, one would have to ask, If i love a person, why would i subject them to that"
If you love a person, why would you call them like a pariah because they are on their period (Leviticus 15:19)? Why would you force an unmarried woman to marry her rapist (Deut 22:28-29)? Why after you have defeated the enemy in battle, will you then force a woman you're attracted to to marry and have sex with you (Deut 21:10-13)?
biggtk 2 months ago
@biggtk Alot of these things you are speaking on is how they did things back in these times. Do you really think people would do these things now? C'mon these are stories showing God guidelines for dealing with Israel. A lot of these things would not be done now
shel2185 2 months ago
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@shel2185 "C'mon these are stories showing God guidelines for dealing with Israel"
So he deals with the daughters of Israel by allowing them to sale their daughters into slavery? And allowing Israel to enslave people from neighboring nations? You don't honestly believe that? If that's so then God couldn't have been to upset whilst the europeans were enslaving africans (and the Irish/native americans before blacks arrived) right?
biggtk 2 months ago
@shel2185 "So God gave comfort to people who were in slavery showing them how to deal with it"
So slavery wasn't good enough for the Jewish people (while they were in Egypt), but it's okay for everyone else, and then later generations of Jewish people? Since when does God teach people how to deal with evil, but not teach that the specific practice in question is in fact evil? Remember, Paul and Peter ministered to Gentiles, so wouldn't it have been prudent to teach everyone to abhor slavery?
biggtk 2 months ago
@shel2185 "But did he give people the right to enslave?"
The Law of Moses, given to him supposedly by God says: Leviticus 25:44
"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves."
biggtk 2 months ago
@shel2185 Understand this shel. I "don't" believe for one second that God co-signed slavery, but that's because I reject large portions of the Bible because they are man's word, not God's word. But if you believe that the Bible is the complete and infallible word of God, then you must also believe that God tolerated slavery (for social groups).
"People that have tried to use Scripture to justify slavery have completely got it wrong"
That's because biblical authors have gotten it wrong.
biggtk 2 months ago
@shel2185 " Leviticus 18:22 & Deuteronomy 22:5"
Leviticus 18:22 only mentions male same sex relations, and some scholars so far have shown that it was only the passive partner who was being punished. That changed when redactors edited the Old Testament thousands of years later, changing it to both passive and active partner being punished. And then some other scholars hold the view that we still have no idea what or who this verse (leviticus 18:22) is referring to.
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@shel2185 However, it is intellectually dishonest to assume that just because something is pronounced in Scripture, that it automatically must be the definitive truth of God. That is ridiculous, unless you believe that there really was a time in which God would view any man or woman who touched a woman (non-sexually) while she was on her period, as unclean? God has given you a brain. Please use it. Superstition is unbecoming.
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@biggtk So are you saying that its a superstition to keep people from being with the same sex? you sound ridiculous right now. Sex at its core is for reproduction. Only man & woman can pro-create. if you can be born gay, how would reproduction still take place in the human species? it wouldn't be able to. It's not superstitious, It's going against God's natural order. Period.
shel2185 2 months ago
@shel2185 "So are you saying that its a superstition to keep people from being with the same sex"
No, I'm saying that it's human prejudice, and nothing more or less. Heterosexuals happen to be the majority, and therefore less understanding people of ancient times would view them irrationally as dangerous to the social order. This is the same reason why many Scriptures have verses that subjugates and disrespects women. None such subjugation exists for men.
biggtk 2 months ago
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@shel2185 "Sex at its core is for reproduction"
Most sex does not lead to reproduction. Women are only capable of conception for one week out of a month. Most people have sex for pleasure and intimacy, and mathematically speaking, because sex is used for this 'closeness' most of the time, one must assume that reproduction is not the primary reason for sex, though it is 'a' reason. But it's not a reason or purpose that dictates who can or cannot have sex. So spare me of the fallacies.
biggtk 2 months ago
@shel2185 " if you can be born gay, how would reproduction still take place in the human species"
This question makes no sense. Reproduction still takes place even though people are born gay. And because nature has dictated that the birth rate of homosexual human beings remain significantly lower than that of heterosexual human beings, reproduction can and does still take place quite often. I'm not sure where you were going with that question?
biggtk 2 months ago
@biggtk So two men can pro-create? two women can pro-create? no way
shel2185 2 months ago
@shel2185 "So two men can pro-create"
I never said that two men or two women can procreate. I said that the main purpose of sex is not procreation (mathematical probability of sexual occurrences, and lack of copulation ability of women 3 weeks out of every month shows us this). The main purpose is pleasure and intimacy. Yes, couples 'need' pleasure and intimacy to survive as a couple. They do not need to procreate to keep their relationship in tact, though having children can be wonderful.
biggtk 2 months ago
@biggtk If that's the true purpose, then God would have it that way so it's just pleasure & intimacy. Yet if you don't wear a condom, chances are, she will be pregnant. So why the use for condoms if that's the purpose?
shel2185 2 months ago
@shel2185 " If that's the true purpose, then God would have it that way so it's just pleasure & intimacy"
This is a fallacy. You assume that 'primary purpose' is the only function of sex, thereby disregarding the fact that many processes have 'multiple functions'. But nature shows us that many things have multiple purposes. For example, the vagina can be used for sex, expulsion of blood, or childbirth. The mouth can be used for communication, tasting, or sexual stimulation.
biggtk 2 months ago
@shel2185 To say that if God wanted the main purpose of sex to be pleasure/intimacy, then he would have made it possible for only that to occur is ridiculous.
"Alot of these things you are speaking on is how they did things back in these times"
Sir, slavery still exists today. Right at this very moment, several little girls and boys have been sold into slavery. Slavery is an ancient institution that has never been quelled.
biggtk 2 months ago
@biggtk Im not talking about slavery, im talking about some of the customs that Israel did in ancient times. i know slavery still exists but God isn't happy about it one bit.
shel2185 2 months ago
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@shel2185 "Im not talking about slavery, im talking about some of the customs that Israel did in ancient times"
If we can just claim that some of the things in the Old Testament were simply God dealing with Israel's already pre-made customs, then why should we believe anything in the Old Testament (save the 10 commandments) was any different? Wouldn't that mean that these were the laws of 'men' and not laws ordained by God?
biggtk 2 months ago
@shel2185 They did a lot of ridiculous things in Ancient times, like subjugating women, calling men who had wet dreams unclean, and killing gay people. And yet people in today's world continue to hold onto these ancient cultural rites as though they are laws from God himself. Hmm....
"Do you really think people would do these things now?"
You apparently know nothing of the plight of women and children in third world countries. Ask the people in Cambodia or Mexico, if slavery still exists.
biggtk 2 months ago
@biggtk & God doesn't co-sign subjugating women cause the women are the partners of the men & they have their duties as well. just because the histories show a different picture doesn't mean the Bible is wrong on what God wants. People make decisions to do what they want to do. It's called free will & every human has it. Some have used it for good, others for evil.
shel2185 2 months ago
@shel2185 "God doesn't co-sign subjugating women cause the women are the partners of the men"
I know that God doesn't co-sign this, but the Bible does. But then the Bible isn't 100% the word of God.So I have an easy time of separating the BS from the real deal. Just like Paul banning women from teaching men is not from God,nor is his opinion that women should submit to their husbands.
"women are the partners of the men"
We all walk in this world together, but I as a woman am no man's partner.
biggtk 2 months ago
@shel2185 "they have their duties as well"
One's duties depends on the individual, not their gender.
"just because the histories show a different picture doesn't mean the Bible is wrong on what God wants"
Just because the histories show a different picture doesn't mean that the Bible is right on what God wants. And that's the point. The misogyny in the Bible is the result of man's law, not God's.
biggtk 2 months ago
@shel2185 "People make decisions to do what they want to do. It's called free will & every human has it."
I'm not denying that people make decision or that they do what they want to do. I'm not even arguing with free will. But I am arguing with the 'infallibility & word of God' assumptions that people have had about the Bible since its inception.
biggtk 2 months ago
@shel2185 Therefore your procreation argument is false, and has no authority to deny same sex couples from partaking in physical intimacy with each other. The procreation argument doesn't determine what's natural, right, or 'good' sex (and you haven't proven otherwise). It's simply a perk for those of a specific human sexual orientation (heterosexual).
biggtk 2 months ago
@shel2185 "It's going against God's natural order"
And there's the superstition. The easiest way for unjustified prejudice to take place, is for it to be justified with superstitious and silly reasoning. God's natural order allows for 'diversity'. As far as I'm concerned, homosexuality is a part of God's natural order, as it shows up in 'nature'.
biggtk 2 months ago
& where does it show up in nature? are you trying to lower human standards to that of the animals? what you are referring to is an male showing dominance over another male after a battle. Example: the male hippo mounts another male hippo after a battle showing him as victor. Nothing is sexual about that cause they are doing it to win a female of the species. A lot of animals do the same thing.
shel2185 2 months ago
@shel2185 "where does it show up in nature"
Google, homosexuality in nature or the animal kingdom.
"are you trying to lower human standards to that of the animals"
If heterosexuality doesn't lower humans to animalistic standards, then why would homosexuality? If you're going to use the 'it goes against God's natural order' as an argument, then you had better prepare yourself for a rude awakening about what exists in the nature that God has made.
biggtk 2 months ago
@biggtk You make it sound like the animals are choosing to have sex. Only time animals have sex is during mating seasons & they find a female of the species, not a male. as i said before, No animal is homosexual. homosexuality is a choice. the animal kingdom doesn't choose. They know the right thing to do. it's only the humans that have made this difficult
shel2185 2 months ago
@shel2185 " You make it sound like the animals are choosing to have sex"
Sweetie. Several mammalian animals have sex for pleasure. Penguins, Chimpanzees, and Dolphins to name a few. Some animals (such as some birds) actually mate with the opposite sex, and then raise their offspring with their long term same sex partner. Google it to see for yourself.
biggtk 2 months ago
@shel2185 "homosexuality is a choice"
Homosexuality isn't a choice. Even most ex-gay organizations recognize this. Scientific evidence shows that homosexuals don't choose to be gay. What makes you think that people choose to be gay?
"They know the right thing to do"
They sure do, and for some of them, homosexual relationships are what's right for them. I'm sorry, but this homosexual phenomenon in nature has been well documented.
biggtk 2 months ago
@biggtk Ok what child at 2, 3, 4 yrs old knows about homosexuality? 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 yrs old? No kid is thinking about that! c'mon. & the animals act off of instinct alone, not what they feel is right like us. the supposed homosexual showing in nature is one showing dominance over another, not sexual preference. What we do as humans is a sexual preference
shel2185 2 months ago
@shel2185 " Ok what child at 2, 3, 4 yrs old knows about homosexuality?"
What child at 2, 3, or 4 years old knows about heterosexuality? What's your point here?
" No kid is thinking about that"
I didn't know anything about homosexuality at this age, but I was still physically/emotionally attracted to the same sex at the age of 5. It was my first crush. So again, what's your point?
biggtk 2 months ago
@biggtk So you were attracted to a female at 5 yrs old...........sexually...........i find that hard to believe. & everyone is straight coming out the womb like i said before. My point is if you can be born gay, this is known straight from the door. With all the medical advances we have today, you mean to tell me a doctor still can't find out if that child will be gay? hmmm i wonder why....
shel2185 2 months ago
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@shel2185 "So you were attracted to a female at 5 yrs old...........sexually"
Yes I was. My actions based upon this attraction shows that there was sexual attraction. Though I didn't think of the subject of my attraction in any sexually compromising positions or anything, since I didn't know anything about sex.
biggtk 2 months ago
@shel2185 " everyone is straight coming out the womb"
How can you tell? According to you, little kids know nothing of sexuality, and you obviously don't believe that children can be sexually attracted to someone else at such a young age (I wasn't abused or anything just for reference). So based on what do you come to a conclusion that everyone comes out the womb straight?
biggtk 2 months ago
@biggtk Your natural sexual organ defines who you are. Now who you choose to have sex with, that's a different story....
shel2185 2 months ago
@shel2185 "Your natural sexual organ defines who you are"
It may define who 'you' are, but it only defines my sex. It doesn't determine sexual orientation, and nor does it limit sexual orientation. My hormones determine my sexual orientation. The fact that there are asexual people who are still attracted to men or women, contradicts your assertions that sexual organs define one's sexual orientation. If that was the case then why do asexual people (those who naturally have no sex drive) exist?
biggtk 2 months ago
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@shel2185 "Now who you choose to have sex with, that's a different story"
Sex is a choice. Sexual orientation is not. Naturally, people will choose to have sex with individuals that they are attracted to. People choose sexual partners based on their sexual orientation, they don't become gay or straight after they've chosen to have sex with someone.
biggtk 2 months ago
@shel2185 "With all the medical advances we have today, you mean to tell me a doctor still can't find out if that child will be gay"
If our medical advances can't tell us if a kid will be straight or not, what makes you think it would be ever to tell us whether or not a kid will be gay or not? Although, studies have shown that hormone production in the womb may impact sexual orientation.
biggtk 2 months ago
@biggtk But they haven't & still to this day, has not done so. & all the hormone production does is influence how masculine or feminine a person will be, not sexual orientation
shel2185 2 months ago
@shel2185 "But they haven't & still to this day, has not done so"
Yeah, with both heterosexuality, bisexuality, and homosexuality. So I don't understand your point.
"all the hormone production does is influence how masculine or feminine a person will be"
False. Just because a man might be feminine, does not automatically mean that he is gay. This is why masculine gay men exists. Secondly, women with high levels of testosterone are not automatically masculine.
biggtk 2 months ago
@biggtk You sound like you are trying to intellectually explain God.....
shel2185 2 months ago
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@shel2185 " You sound like you are trying to intellectually explain God"
I'm not intellectually explaining God, I'm intellectually explaining His creation. That thing we called nature is included in His creation. Right along with hormones and sexual orientation.
biggtk 2 months ago
@shel2185 That is why there are plenty of feminine women with PCOS (which causes higher testosterone levels). As for me, I'm a masculine woman, and I've been pumped with estrogen my whole life (through birth control patches). So I'm pretty sure hormones are more complex than determining how masculine or feminine someone will be. The study I'm referring to, does mention though that the levels of certain hormones in the womb could shape sexual orientation. Google it.
biggtk 2 months ago
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@shel2185 "the animals act off of instinct alone"
When it comes to sex and relationships, some animals act off of their own conscious volition.
"not what they feel is right like us"
This doesn't even make sense. No one is straight or gay because of what they feel is right. Sure people try to pretend to be a certain sexual orientation based on what they feel is right, but sexual orientation is dictated by one's hormones, not their feelings of right and wrong. So???
biggtk 2 months ago
@shel2185 "the supposed homosexual showing in nature is one showing dominance over another"
This is not what I'm talking about. You're talking about a completely different display of behavior. What you refer to would be more compared to rape and sex in prison. What I'm talking about are actual long term same-sex relationships in the animal kingdom. Yes, some of these animals have sex for pleasure, and some raise offspring with their same sex partner.
biggtk 2 months ago
@biggtk Animals don't have relationships the way humans do. they just mate. & alot of animals raise off-spring with the same sex of that species due to supposed "better help" whatever that means. Are they homosexual & practice that? No
shel2185 2 months ago
@shel2185 "Animals don't have relationships the way humans do"
There's a gay penguin couple who proves your assertions wrong. Not to mention there was a same sex bird couple (I think they were pelicans) who were not only committed in a relationship, they actually raised offspring together. So yes, some animals do have sex and engage in relationships as humans do.
biggtk 2 months ago
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@shel2185 "alot of animals raise off-spring with the same sex of that species due to supposed "better help""
That's in packs and prides. I'm talking about 2 same gendered animals raising offspring together (in a 'two parented home'), as opposed to raising their children with the help of the other females in the flock, pack, or pride.
"Are they homosexual & practice that"
There's no such thing as 'practicing' homosexuality. It's sexuality, not soccer.
biggtk 2 months ago
@shel2185 "What we do as humans is a sexual preference"
The only people who have a sexual 'preference' are bisexuals. In this way they can sometimes "prefer" men more than women, or women more than men. But gay people are attracted to the same sex (they don't "prefer" the same sex over the opposite). The same goes for heterosexuals who don't prefer the opposite sex over the same gender, they are only attracted to the opposite sex.
biggtk 2 months ago
@biggtk Everyone can choose cause your anatomy says otherwise. You can be a woman the rest of your life & at the end of the day, a man's sexual organ will fit with your sexual organ no matter what. You can try to intellectually explain it all you want but your body doesn't lie.
shel2185 2 months ago
@shel2185 " Everyone can choose cause your anatomy says otherwise"
That doesn't make any sense. Perhaps you can elaborate?
"You can be a woman the rest of your life & at the end of the day, a man's sexual organ will fit with your sexual organ no matter what"
A man's sexual organ will fit into a man anus as well? As a woman's finger and tongue fits into a woman's sexual organ as well. I'm not sure what you're point is?
biggtk 2 months ago
@biggtk Your anatomy says you belong with a man cause your sexual organ & his naturally go together. & you are really twisting my words to fit what you want it to be. You know what i mean when i say a "male's sexual organ" stop getting dumb
shel2185 2 months ago
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@shel2185 "Your anatomy says you belong with a man cause your sexual organ & his naturally go together"
A man's anatomy naturally goes with male or female anatomy. The perks of having an external sexual organ. However, for me, a woman's anatomy naturally goes with mine, since that is what I am attracted to. Having sex with a man would disgust me (not that men are disgusting. I'm just not attracted to them like that), and do absolutely nothing for me.
biggtk 2 months ago
@shel2185 Not to mention the fact that personality wise, emotionally, mentally, physically, etc, I'm only attracted to women.
" You know what i mean when i say a "male's sexual organ" stop getting dumb"
The 'penis' fits naturally into an anus as it does a vagina. In fact, a penis fits naturally into the gas tank of a car. That is why your assertion of anatomical penetrative capability is illogical. As a man can penetrate a car, but that wouldn't mean that he was meant to have sex with it.
biggtk 2 months ago
@biggtk You're giving me all these other examples that mean nothing to the point of where God stands on homosexuality. All these other things are irrelevant. i'm not talking to the scholars, researchers, scientists, etc. I'm talking to you! The Lord knew his purpose for creating male & female. If two men or two women are supposed to be together, it would fit naturally. it doesn't. not mentally, physically, emotionally, nothing!
shel2185 2 months ago
@shel2185 "You're giving me all these other examples that mean nothing to the point of where God stands on homosexuality"
Oh they mean something. What I've been showing you is that the Bible is the word of men, not God (save for the ten commandments, which is said to be directly authored by God alone).
"The Lord knew his purpose for creating male & female. If two men or two women are supposed to be together, it would fit naturally."
"It" does fit naturally. Why would you think it wouldn't?
biggtk 2 months ago
@biggtk & men(humankind) is God's creation so what's your point? The Bible is God's living Word written by God thru men for mankind! but again: believe what you want. When it's all over, we'll see who was right
shel2185 2 months ago
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@shel2185 " not mentally, physically, emotionally, nothing"
And your evidence for this? Because of millions of people's same sex romantic mental, physical, emotional, biological, spiritual, and loving connections tend to prove your claims wrong.
" But if you feel that's the way you are, be my guest to keep living that way"
Lol, I don't 'live' my sexuality. I don't live my same sex attraction, anymore than I live my eye color, or my right handedness.
biggtk 2 months ago
@biggtk But if you feel that's the way you are, be my guest to keep living that way. But i am supremely confident that if you really turn to Jesus & give this all to Him, He will change this around & show you the truth & the truth will make you free. All these other examples you are referring to, God isn't worried about that. He's the Creator. We are the creation! On the day of Judgement, God isn't gonna ask you about your "examples"
shel2185 2 months ago
@shel2185 " But i am supremely confident that if you really turn to Jesus & give this all to Him, He will change this around & show you the truth & the truth will make you free"
I find it irritatingly funny that you automatically assume that I haven't done just this ^, and that my present frame of mind isn't the result of Jesus showing me the truth, and healing the brokenness left behind by a brutal homophobic society. When's the last time 'you' went to Jesus about this subject? Never...
biggtk 2 months ago
@biggtk ok you're right. it's all good.....
shel2185 2 months ago
@shel2185 The truth is that I have been changed around by God. This change manifested itself by helping me to erase my self hatred of my God-given sexual orientation, and the Lord gave me the strength and courage to accept who he made me to be (a gay woman). There is freedom in the truth, and only slavery in lies. Gay people who pretend to be straight (all homosexuals who claim to be ex-gay) are only in self bondage and hatred. I feel for them more than you know.
biggtk 2 months ago
@biggtk Gay ppl who pretend to be straight...............ok you're right smh.....
shel2185 2 months ago
@biggtk So you've been changed by God, but don't believe God Word...................ok
shel2185 2 months ago
@shel2185 "God isn't worried about that"
He's not worried about his people putting people into slavery, or making it okay to force raped women to marry their rapists, in "His" name? Lol, I see...
"On the day of Judgement, God isn't gonna ask you about your "examples""
He's not going to ask me about my sexual orientation or any girlfriends or wives I might have in the future either.
biggtk 2 months ago
@biggtk i see exactly what you like to do. you like to take pieces of what im saying on the subject of homosexuality & flip them to other topics that we were not debating. So why are we even having this discussion? you're not even staying on the topic discussed smh
shel2185 2 months ago
@biggtk The Lord can change ANY situation. you sit & write from the perspective that God can't do it. i encourage you to really seek God & test Him & He will prove Himself to you as He has done to me. Intellectually trying to explain God is foolish. He cannot be boxed it, He cannot be set to a bunch of rules. He is the Almighty God! the First & the Last, Alpha & Omega! you're fighting a losing battle trying to match wits with God.
shel2185 2 months ago
@shel2185 "The Lord can change ANY situation"
The Lord can make me grow wings, or change me into a white woman as well. Will he change my biological nature? Doubtful. The same can be said for my biological same-sex orientation.
"you sit & write from the perspective that God can't do it"
You sit and write from the perspective that God 'will' or 'wants' to do it.
biggtk 2 months ago
@biggtk Didn't you just say you were changed by God? now you are reneging on that with this one lol smh
shel2185 2 months ago
@shel2185 "Intellectually trying to explain God is foolish. He cannot be boxed it, He cannot be set to a bunch of rules."
You mean rules like "if you have a penis, you should be attracted to a vagina, and vice versa. Otherwise you're going against God's will"? I do not seek to box God in. I am simply more mindful of his diverse creation, enough to know that homosexuality isn't some sinful practice created by the devil, but that it's a natural variant of human sexuality created by God.
biggtk 2 months ago
@biggtk ok......wanna keep going?
shel2185 2 months ago
@biggtk But, do what you want to do. God loves you & others who are in that lifestyle. it's the lifestyle He hates. That's why He says to repent & turn away from evil things. If you wanna question God, say His Word is wrong, it's a fallacy, fine. But when this is all over, God's Word & Truth will stand supreme. Jesus can change lives! but's that for you to seek for.
shel2185 2 months ago
@shel2185 " others who are in that lifestyle. it's the lifestyle He hates"
There's no such thing as a homosexual lifestyle. I can't imagine God liking the ex-gay lifestyle though, since it is a lie, and does nothing but causes one to be afraid of their shadows, and hate themselves. It truly is sad and unfortunate.
biggtk 2 months ago
@shel2185 "If you wanna question God, say His Word is wrong, it's a fallacy, fine."
There's nothing wrong with questioning God (since I question in a genuinely curious way with no malicious intent). I'm not saying God's word is wrong. I'm saying that it is a fallacy to call the Bible God's word.
"That's why He says to repent & turn away from evil things"
Good thing homosexuality isn't evil then eh?
biggtk 2 months ago
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@biggtk & what scripture supports God co-signing homosexuality? "I'm not saying God's word is wrong. I'm saying that it is a fallacy to call the Bible God's word."
You really sound ridiculous right now......but keep going.....
shel2185 2 months ago
@shel2185 "God's Word & Truth will stand supreme"
I can't say the same for the Bible.
"Jesus can change lives! but's that for you to seek for."
I agree. Everyday Jesus teaches "ex-gays" to repent of their lies and self despair by accepting who God has made them to be. Same-sex loving people. The ex-gay road leads to self delusion, rationalizations that amount to little more than deception, death (suicide), and emptiness. Basically, everything except heterosexual conversion :-)
biggtk 2 months ago
@biggtk .............& what Bible did you read this from? so the "ex-gay" leads to "self delusion, rationalizations that amount to little more than deception, death (suicide), and emptiness." so all ppl who came out of that are lying & God's hates that...............keep going. you just digging this hole deeper & deeper.........
shel2185 2 months ago
@shel2185 "& what Bible did you read this from?"
Lol, unlike you, I don't take the views of ancient peoples as though they are the undeniable truth that all future generations should live by. Therefore, my analysis of the ex-gay lifestyle comes from personal experience, real world observation, scientific analysis, and the lack of evidence and lack of successful sexual conversion statistics that ex-gay programs seem unable to obtain.
biggtk 2 months ago
@biggtk Sooo you're trying to determine what this is based on man's findings? but you said you were changed by "God".........oxymoron don't you think?
shel2185 2 months ago
@shel2185 "Sooo you're trying to determine what this is based on man's findings"
Sweetie, even the Bible says that you will know something by the fruit of its works. If it was possible for gay people to become heterosexuals, then there would be plentiful fruits for all of us to bare. But there are no fruits. There are only roses with poisonous thorns.
biggtk 2 months ago
@biggtk wrong. Jesus was speaking of the Children of God & the fruits of the Spirit they exhibit. Don't quote what you don't read....
shel2185 2 months ago
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@shel2185 "wrong. Jesus was speaking of the Children of God & the fruits of the Spirit they exhibit."
No, I'm not wrong. Jesus was saying that you know if someone is doing something according to God's will by the fruits of their actions. Ex-gay ministries produce no good fruits. Only poison. They sure haven't change any homosexual to a heterosexual.
"Don't quote what you don't read"
Umm who said I didn't read the Bible?
biggtk 2 months ago
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biggtk 2 months ago
@biggtk So God changed back to being gay........ok
& what are you talking about documents for? God doesn't need a document to show His work! ppl have been delivered from this sin time & time again! I have a aunt who was gay for 30 yrs! today she is married 10 yrs with 3 kids & has NEVER gone back! So don't tell me what God cannot do! you don't wanna believe? fine that's you
shel2185 2 months ago
@shel2185 *changed you
shel2185 2 months ago
@shel2185 "So God changed back to being gay........ok"
You tend to read selectively don't you? I said that God helped me to accept myself, by changing my mind, heart, and spirit. I was never anything other than a lesbian. Even when I pretended like I wasn't gay anymore. So no, God did not change me back to being gay. He helped me to accept myself and rebuke my ex-gay lies.
biggtk 2 months ago
@biggtk So God helped you accept you were gay.............i wonder was that really God.....
shel2185 2 months ago
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@shel2185 "So God helped you accept you were gay.............i wonder was that really God"
Yes he did. The freedom that came with that moment was intoxicating.
"The fruits of His words would be shown in the physical realm"
Agreed. And nature has shown us that homosexuality is a natural variant of the sexual orientations present on this planet.
biggtk 2 months ago
@shel2185 "God doesn't need a document to show His work"
Only a gullible person would say something like that. Yes, if God advocates something, then we need to see the fruits of his words. In this way we can witness for ourselves truth of God's power and best interests for us. He did not get the Israelites to trust him without first showing them proof of his words, intentions, and power.
biggtk 2 months ago