Your comments sicken me. Imperialist sheep, you all are and it saddens me to see your blindness, as much as it excites me to see how you're gonna reply to this.
Howard Zinn is a fucking traitor and he's ours now. Its over for him. And all his little bitch shills are going down with him. Yeh, that means you! Enjoy whats left of your little pathetic lives because we're coming for you treasonous snakes.
Please read Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmeds "The War On Truth" (2005). In this book the author documents the ongoing (yes: ongoing) collaboration i the Balkans between elements of the CIA (and US special forces) and "wahhabi veterans" from central Asia; some of whom are are personal friends of Osama bin Laden.
So, did the Bush government blow up the London Underground, Madrid train station, Bali Nightclub and innocent civilians in Casablanca and Riyadh? Did Bush somehow undermine the Clinton Administration by attacking the WTC in 1993 and the U.S.S. Cole, Khobar Towers and embassies in Tanzania and Kenya?
You folks are either abject ignoramuses or vile little cowards. You don't want to confront the reality of murderous Wahabbism, so you blame the Americans, Zionists, Neocons etc.
nonsense - the past present and future are all one - today is tomorrows yesterday - time is a lie - if this happened a second ago it would still be past - hes an absolute devious arsehole and the stupid clapping audience sheep illustrate just how dumb people have all become - what a load of crap - this man is an idiot - if govt did 9/11 that is beyond words and the murderers should be dealt with and their power most obviously should be taken away - what a dumb conversation - i fear for us all
wrong! Criminals are punished to deter further crimes. NOT addressing 9/11 as a mass murder whose perpetrators should be tried and punished as any other murderers is the real 'distraction' from what is important.
Yo has-been hero of the innocent Zin, that's the past? tell that to the civillians in Iraq and Afghanistan that were injured, lost thier homes or were killed last week.
Selectivly senile rich guy, hope the students clapping enjoy being servers at Starbucks or the military field when the economy finally delivers the economic depression from offensive intervention spending. Old fool he seems, like W Burroughs total junkie yet hero of some left writers and students?
I don't care? It's not relevant if the government was complicit in the 9/11 attacks? That is so f**king stupid on so many levels. If he said he didn't believe it, then he would just show that he has no intellectual curiosity. But not to care even if the government was involved shows a flaw in moral character. If he doesn't care, then he doesn't care about the US. IMHO, this shows that Zinn is a zionist tool, as are most of our current congressmen.
WTF? Howard Zinn was in the trenches in the fight against corporate aristocracy when most of you were still shitting your diapers. You may not agree with his stance on 9/11, (I sure don't) but some of these comments display an ignorance suitable for freepers. This man was an activist when it meant more than blogging about Bilderberg. Respect.
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Sorry, my previous comment was in response to
IYAMNI.
I would like to point out that again the "Truthers" are distorting the truth. Let us look at precisely what Zinn said here:
"I don't care that much about its...That's past. I..I...really. [applause] To me that's a diversion. The whole argument people are engaged in about 'Was the government behind the conspiracy to blow up the Twin Towers?', to me that's a diversion from what we really have to do, which is deal with the fact that whatever
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cont'd Whoever was behind 9/11, the government took advantage of that, took us to take us to war and to put us on a disastrous course. And it is that war, those wars, that disastrous course that we have to deal with. Now they want to go back into a controversy that I think is an endless controversy and it just gets in the way of dealing with the immediate situation."
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Note that he NEVER FINISHED THE SENTENCE "I don't care that much about its" and that the word he stopped on was "its" with an S, denoting a poss. pronoun meaning, not "it".
He has been ASKED A QUESTION and is merely giving his PERSONAL REASONS for not JOINING the government conspiracy movement. It was not an expression of how he sees the event as meaningless or unimportant. You can choose the distortion and count Zinn as merely another in a growing list of imagined enemies, or you can be honest.
Howard Zinn its fine be afraid of the elite your masters for you sir are a puppet and a puppet has no life it moves acording to its puppet master..your not free..your not needed here so be gone.
how could you not care about the gov't lying to you about thousands dying? what kind of peacemaker is this?? I guess you can forgive and forget this type of shit easily...but true american's won't stand for this shit. 9/11 TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
what a huge dissappointment! Howard Zinn use to be one of my heros. "I don't care it's in the past"!!! He's a God dam historian! shame on you Howard Zin you have tarnished your reputation with this response to an honest question that deserves to be answered by every historian in America.
"i dont care" "this is in the past" - the sheeple applaud. This moment captured in this video is exactly why violence of some nature will have to be a part of any effective accounting for the lies of 9/11. After hearing this audience (of mostly sheeple) clap at the notion of not caring about the truth about 9/11, any truther who still believes a strictly pacifistic approach is going to be effective is crazy.
Zinn exposed himself to the world by that hateful comment. Next, he will say that he does not care about the innocent people that died in Iraq. His comments are cruel.
What a fucking ass. If ANYONE thinks 9/11 is a "passed" event should be thrown out of America. We LEARN from the past and I'm sure that anyone with a brain and compassion would do the damn research and find out who killed three thousand of our own people. Absolutely disgraceful.
"That's passed"?? What's so "passed" about it?? Every piece of Constitutionally invalid legislation that's been passed in the US over the last 7 years has been based on "the war against terrorism" which was a war based on the events of 911. So, again, what so "passed" about it??
If Zinn really wants to focus on getting out of the war then a proper investigation of 911 would be the perfect pretext. It would expose the "war on terror" for what it is - a fraud.
Stop who, what? This senile bastard obviously knows yet doesn't have the balls to admit it openly that we were mass murdered by our own government on that day. It isn't important? Tell that to the families who lost loved ones on that day you fucking spineless coward!
the capacity of his cojones is the key point here- the nerve of Zinn to say this- It is so offensive- beyond belief- not caring?? Will I help you? Zinn is asked I don't know, and truth is I don't care
I don't care- That response is so offensive to the victims, their friends and families, and to our entire society. I am offended and it makes me very sad to hear that. This man has sensitivity for the victims in Iraq but not the victims of 9/11. He is a NWO shill. Barbara Bush has more sensitivity then this man. He openly says, I do not care. Unbelievable.
It reminds of what Bush said about Bin Laden. I really am not concerned about Bin Laden. He was supposedly the "mastermind" of 9/11 before they blamed it all on Khalid Sheik Mohammed. 3000 people died and for a person to say "I don't care" is beyond cruel. It is evil.
His response is, I do not care. Same response as Chomsky.- it really does not matter if it was a false flag terror attack. Zinn is a leftist gatekeeper- a NWO shill. I always suspected that and here is the proof. He does not care that 3000 people died and it was the past.
This is like a total 180, hes gone from being Howard Zinn to Coward Zinn, whats wrong with him could it be the way the question was asked made him feel defensive or has he just been completely Chomskyfied?
Just another Jewish intellectual denying reality and emperical fact; just like Chomsky.
..."I don't know enough about the situation and to tell you The Truth....I don't really care." - Wow.
Spending trillions on the war on terror...the deaths of tens of thousands...the destruction of two nations, the displacement of millions...the mental anguish and physical trauma...all over one event...911...and this Jewish thinker, this American (?)..."doesn't care".
You guys! The conspiracy being covered up is bigger than 9-11, much bigger. Likely we can never learn its full reach. But it didn't start with 9-11; such crimes have been perpetrated for over a century in pursuit of some hidden agenda. 9-11 was simply the latest round in pursuit of these dark objectives. And Chomsky, Zinn, and others know this. They also know that if we are suddenly told the full truth, the reality shift would cause most in society to give up on ideals and playing by any rules.
"Although still shunned by the mainstream media, [Griffin's] book has already encouraged many thousands to debate the case for possible government complicity and at the very least to demand a full, transparent and truly independent public inquiry... In that spirit, David Ray Griffin's book deserves to be widely read." -- HOWARD ZINN commenting on A New Pearl Harbor, by David Ray Griffin
It is certainly true that I am in favor of global democracy and have been working on a rather big book on this topic for many years. But I was surprised that you would assume that there is something creepy to what I have in mind without looking at my arguments and the particular form of world government
that I advocate David Ray Griffin (Sept 13 2004)is a self confessed globalist, pushing for the abolition of sovereign nations, which most true patriots are actually trying to stop.
It sounds like Zinn doesn't want that fact studied and publicized. Odd how he shares the same opinion with Chomsky on this matter. Actually, it's not odd. They're both protecting something.
Maybe these guys don't care because despite how many of us know it was fake, the majority of people are pretty much accepting the government version and allow this stuff to be gotten away with, and as main stream media is owned by parties interested in keeping the masses under wraps, they don't believe we can ever get our numbers up enough to fight, therfore they don't think it matters (Cause it's not enough mass).
Yes, I believe the 'something' being protected is the public's belief in the system and hope for the future. I strongly suspect that many folks considered to be "left gatekeepers" are convinced that if the public ever learned the truth (not just about 9-11, but about the true purpose behind 9-11, and the illicit system that perpetrated it) that the public would simply become cynical and passive and stop participating in the shaping of society. The shock to our consciousness may be too great.
WTF, the whole world changed because of 9/11 which allowed this agenda to go through.
it's not the past mr. Zinn, 9/11 is the present, and the future.
how can someone who has no problems exposing other things, ignore this and brush it off as 'it happened, get over it', when the future depends on the sunshine.
but the way to stop those wars is to expose to more people that 911 was done by insiders in the US/UK/others gov, military and secret services along with private parties who would benefit from a US police state and two wars.
If we don't expose 911 the criminals will do the same thing again and again. Only bigger next time.
I am sorry folks,
Zinn is nothing, nothing, nothing.
Don't buy his books and don't give him any money !!!
How can Zinn possibly say that he "doesn't care" about 911 when the events of 911 have been used as THE justification for EVERYTHING that's been going on since, both nationally and internationally!??
What I wrote in my previous message was not "blah blah blah ... LEFT GATEKEEPERS",
it was in fact:
"How can Zinn possibly say that he "doesn't care" about 911 when the events of 911 have been used as THE justification for EVERYTHING that's been going on since, both nationally and internationally!??
DOWN WITH THE "LEFT GATEKEEPERS"!!!!"
Now will you PLEASE tell me what's factually wrong with that statement???
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Well, for one HE DID NOT SAY THAT HE DID NOT CARE ABOUT 9/11. He has spoken and written at length about 9/11 and how (as you mentioned) been exploited, so his record only corroborates this fact. He was, despite how this video has been presented on the Tin Foil websites, it is clear that anyone thinking clearly or at least independently OF the suggestion of those websites, that he was merely giving his personal lack of enthusiasm for the CT movement.
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Well, what you are not hearing is that WE DO agree that it is important who committed these crimes ...where we differ is who we believe is responsible for them.
My understanding of the events does not engender an endless discussion of hidden occult messages and grandiose conspiracies that would look out of place coming from even the most cliched, over-the-top Bond villains.
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My understanding is not that "al-Qaeda" perpetrated the crimes of 911, but that some factions within the loose assemblage of radical Islamists known as "al-Qaeda" in the West, launched the attack as part of a very broad campaign, the history of which runs back several decades, and is rooted in the failures of socialist Arab nationalism.
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I am amazed that fewer people do not ASK "Have you read ____", instead of simply assuming that there other person is entirely benighted. I am fully aware of Chossudovsky and I know the article (ISI, Sov. Invasian) to which you refer. I have written much about Clinton's black flights into Bosnia, C-130s full of Afghan mujahideen, etc. and how 9/11 was a variant on the Bojinka plot (Bojinka being Serbo-Croatian that KSM learned there), etc., etc.
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I write about Zionist hawks and the perpetrators of great crimes of inhumanity in the O.T. given a carte blanche by their friend/permanent member of the UNSC, and pretty much ever single topic that is touched upon by run-of-the-mill CT.
What distinguishes myself from CTers is that I do not read otherworldly malevolence into the actions of the corporatist imperialists - I see only cynical, vicious opportunism and Machiavellian savagery. I find the statists to be more sociopathic than maniacal.
>... I do not read otherworldly malevolence >into the actions of the corporatist >imperialists - I see only cynical, vicious >opportunism and Machiavellian savagery.
Great! Then I'm sure you've also read Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmeds "The War on Truth" (from 2005), in which the author documents the ongoing collaboration in the balkans between elements of the CIA (and US special forces) and "Wahabbi veterans" from central Asia
- some of whome are personal friends of Osama bin Laden?
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How can you say,"I used to seriously respect this guy" and "zinn has let me down big time"? Why? Because he didn't tell you what you wanted to hear? You can't just dismiss every opinion which isn't the same as your. What kind of "truth" is that?
Ok, let's look at this another way. Let's say a loved one of yours died as a result of the 9/11 event. Then I say to you, Hey man, that's in the past. Let it go. It doesn't matter who killed your (mom/dad/brother/wife).
911 is the BIGGEST factor in the the two illegal wars going on, of course you have to investigate 911.
TheMoleintheground 1 year ago
Your comments sicken me. Imperialist sheep, you all are and it saddens me to see your blindness, as much as it excites me to see how you're gonna reply to this.
amielrox 2 years ago
Howard Zinn is a fucking traitor and he's ours now. Its over for him. And all his little bitch shills are going down with him. Yeh, that means you! Enjoy whats left of your little pathetic lives because we're coming for you treasonous snakes.
zacharysly 3 years ago 5
Please read Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmeds "The War On Truth" (2005). In this book the author documents the ongoing (yes: ongoing) collaboration i the Balkans between elements of the CIA (and US special forces) and "wahhabi veterans" from central Asia; some of whom are are personal friends of Osama bin Laden.
hansjalv 3 years ago 2
So, did the Bush government blow up the London Underground, Madrid train station, Bali Nightclub and innocent civilians in Casablanca and Riyadh? Did Bush somehow undermine the Clinton Administration by attacking the WTC in 1993 and the U.S.S. Cole, Khobar Towers and embassies in Tanzania and Kenya?
You folks are either abject ignoramuses or vile little cowards. You don't want to confront the reality of murderous Wahabbism, so you blame the Americans, Zionists, Neocons etc.
ArneFufkin 3 years ago
nonsense - the past present and future are all one - today is tomorrows yesterday - time is a lie - if this happened a second ago it would still be past - hes an absolute devious arsehole and the stupid clapping audience sheep illustrate just how dumb people have all become - what a load of crap - this man is an idiot - if govt did 9/11 that is beyond words and the murderers should be dealt with and their power most obviously should be taken away - what a dumb conversation - i fear for us all
timewilltell7 3 years ago 2
Thats the best response I've heard yet on any of the numerous vids which expose Howard Zinn as a left gatekeeper traitor.
zacharysly 3 years ago 3
i agree, zach, "zinn says who cares?" my gawd, our gov. murdered 3k on 9/11 and then went in and killed another million in iraq, i friggin care!!!
pt1gard 3 years ago 2
wrong! Criminals are punished to deter further crimes. NOT addressing 9/11 as a mass murder whose perpetrators should be tried and punished as any other murderers is the real 'distraction' from what is important.
noonesflower 2 years ago
Yo has-been hero of the innocent Zin, that's the past? tell that to the civillians in Iraq and Afghanistan that were injured, lost thier homes or were killed last week.
Selectivly senile rich guy, hope the students clapping enjoy being servers at Starbucks or the military field when the economy finally delivers the economic depression from offensive intervention spending. Old fool he seems, like W Burroughs total junkie yet hero of some left writers and students?
441rider 3 years ago
That's past? Your a historian!
Harpakhrad11 3 years ago
I don't care? It's not relevant if the government was complicit in the 9/11 attacks? That is so f**king stupid on so many levels. If he said he didn't believe it, then he would just show that he has no intellectual curiosity. But not to care even if the government was involved shows a flaw in moral character. If he doesn't care, then he doesn't care about the US. IMHO, this shows that Zinn is a zionist tool, as are most of our current congressmen.
ChristopherMarlowe 3 years ago
WTF? Howard Zinn was in the trenches in the fight against corporate aristocracy when most of you were still shitting your diapers. You may not agree with his stance on 9/11, (I sure don't) but some of these comments display an ignorance suitable for freepers. This man was an activist when it meant more than blogging about Bilderberg. Respect.
IYAMNI 3 years ago
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BRILLIANTLY PUT.
BRAVO.
horseytown 3 years ago
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Sorry, my previous comment was in response to
IYAMNI.
I would like to point out that again the "Truthers" are distorting the truth. Let us look at precisely what Zinn said here:
"I don't care that much about its...That's past. I..I...really. [applause] To me that's a diversion. The whole argument people are engaged in about 'Was the government behind the conspiracy to blow up the Twin Towers?', to me that's a diversion from what we really have to do, which is deal with the fact that whatever
horseytown 3 years ago
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cont'd Whoever was behind 9/11, the government took advantage of that, took us to take us to war and to put us on a disastrous course. And it is that war, those wars, that disastrous course that we have to deal with. Now they want to go back into a controversy that I think is an endless controversy and it just gets in the way of dealing with the immediate situation."
horseytown 3 years ago
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Note that he NEVER FINISHED THE SENTENCE "I don't care that much about its" and that the word he stopped on was "its" with an S, denoting a poss. pronoun meaning, not "it".
He has been ASKED A QUESTION and is merely giving his PERSONAL REASONS for not JOINING the government conspiracy movement. It was not an expression of how he sees the event as meaningless or unimportant. You can choose the distortion and count Zinn as merely another in a growing list of imagined enemies, or you can be honest.
horseytown 3 years ago
"I don't care that much... I'm a coward..."
How can you move FORWARD without addressing the causality of PAST events that inform your future?!
Zinnful Pussy.
ROOKTABULA 3 years ago
Howard Zinn its fine be afraid of the elite your masters for you sir are a puppet and a puppet has no life it moves acording to its puppet master..your not free..your not needed here so be gone.
WOOTMIX 3 years ago 2
how could you not care about the gov't lying to you about thousands dying? what kind of peacemaker is this?? I guess you can forgive and forget this type of shit easily...but true american's won't stand for this shit. 9/11 TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
ceaseyoxoogurl 3 years ago 3
what a huge dissappointment! Howard Zinn use to be one of my heros. "I don't care it's in the past"!!! He's a God dam historian! shame on you Howard Zin you have tarnished your reputation with this response to an honest question that deserves to be answered by every historian in America.
tacomawhite1 3 years ago 4
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Buddy Moore is a psychotic piece of shit and the rest of you truthers are likewise.
ArneFufkin 3 years ago
Yeah thats very adult of you to say Arne come back when you learn how to respect others plz.
WOOTMIX 3 years ago
"i dont care" "this is in the past" - the sheeple applaud. This moment captured in this video is exactly why violence of some nature will have to be a part of any effective accounting for the lies of 9/11. After hearing this audience (of mostly sheeple) clap at the notion of not caring about the truth about 9/11, any truther who still believes a strictly pacifistic approach is going to be effective is crazy.
tornadohurricane5 3 years ago 5
Mr. Zionn, I guess that watergate investigation was a mistake ?
Nuremberg trials a mistake, lets just move forward ?
Can't name the bankers, so let the Nazi's go free ?
euro944t 3 years ago 2
Zinn exposed himself to the world by that hateful comment. Next, he will say that he does not care about the innocent people that died in Iraq. His comments are cruel.
TGWMPE 3 years ago
Zinn is apparently a distraction from real activism. What a pussy and phoney!
"Its the past..." What a JACKASS!
PGAJAMIE411 3 years ago 2
"He doesn't care" and "we shouldn't go back" are irresponsible comments. You learn from history you don't shove it on the back burner.
nausmr 3 years ago 2
So if I went and shot this dude's family, he should get over it because it already happened?
What's the statute of limitations on mass murder, Howard?
vbullinger 3 years ago
Wow, what a disappointing response from an Icon of activism. Howard Zinn is a Hero, but perhaps his time has passed.
VerumUtPopulus 3 years ago
It would be greatly appreciated if someone could subtitle this and message the user uploading this to put it up....Peace and God Bless
hsindi 3 years ago
Zinn is a fraud, just like Maher.
mrbrunelle 3 years ago 2
What a fucking ass. If ANYONE thinks 9/11 is a "passed" event should be thrown out of America. We LEARN from the past and I'm sure that anyone with a brain and compassion would do the damn research and find out who killed three thousand of our own people. Absolutely disgraceful.
GrmnGeneral 3 years ago 3
disguZinn...
kikopeligro 3 years ago
wow...a historian saying he dosent care about the past....or a specific point in the past??
mcalien24 3 years ago 2
what an asshole.
L0K3 3 years ago
Howard Zinn: I Dont Care If 9/11 Was An Inside Job
AppalachianAmer1can 3 years ago
Pathetic!!
Everything that's happened is passed.
The idea that it doesn't matter must be a dead flat lie, he's too intelligent for that comment.
MIKAELLL420 3 years ago
"That's passed"?? What's so "passed" about it?? Every piece of Constitutionally invalid legislation that's been passed in the US over the last 7 years has been based on "the war against terrorism" which was a war based on the events of 911. So, again, what so "passed" about it??
If Zinn really wants to focus on getting out of the war then a proper investigation of 911 would be the perfect pretext. It would expose the "war on terror" for what it is - a fraud.
Zinn is fraud. Period.
jagiar 3 years ago 2
Stop who, what? This senile bastard obviously knows yet doesn't have the balls to admit it openly that we were mass murdered by our own government on that day. It isn't important? Tell that to the families who lost loved ones on that day you fucking spineless coward!
misterb1972 3 years ago
at the end Zinn says "stop who". He knows who!
TGWMPE 3 years ago
the capacity of his cojones is the key point here- the nerve of Zinn to say this- It is so offensive- beyond belief- not caring?? Will I help you? Zinn is asked I don't know, and truth is I don't care
TGWMPE 3 years ago
I don't care- That response is so offensive to the victims, their friends and families, and to our entire society. I am offended and it makes me very sad to hear that. This man has sensitivity for the victims in Iraq but not the victims of 9/11. He is a NWO shill. Barbara Bush has more sensitivity then this man. He openly says, I do not care. Unbelievable.
TGWMPE 3 years ago
It reminds of what Bush said about Bin Laden. I really am not concerned about Bin Laden. He was supposedly the "mastermind" of 9/11 before they blamed it all on Khalid Sheik Mohammed. 3000 people died and for a person to say "I don't care" is beyond cruel. It is evil.
TGWMPE 3 years ago
His response is, I do not care. Same response as Chomsky.- it really does not matter if it was a false flag terror attack. Zinn is a leftist gatekeeper- a NWO shill. I always suspected that and here is the proof. He does not care that 3000 people died and it was the past.
TGWMPE 3 years ago
This is like a total 180, hes gone from being Howard Zinn to Coward Zinn, whats wrong with him could it be the way the question was asked made him feel defensive or has he just been completely Chomskyfied?
Chewbacca2000 3 years ago
Just another Jewish intellectual denying reality and emperical fact; just like Chomsky.
..."I don't know enough about the situation and to tell you The Truth....I don't really care." - Wow.
Spending trillions on the war on terror...the deaths of tens of thousands...the destruction of two nations, the displacement of millions...the mental anguish and physical trauma...all over one event...911...and this Jewish thinker, this American (?)..."doesn't care".
One word - Zionist.
911isalie 3 years ago
You guys! The conspiracy being covered up is bigger than 9-11, much bigger. Likely we can never learn its full reach. But it didn't start with 9-11; such crimes have been perpetrated for over a century in pursuit of some hidden agenda. 9-11 was simply the latest round in pursuit of these dark objectives. And Chomsky, Zinn, and others know this. They also know that if we are suddenly told the full truth, the reality shift would cause most in society to give up on ideals and playing by any rules.
mrtoddly 3 years ago
Zinn is a big fan of David Ray Griffin:
"Although still shunned by the mainstream media, [Griffin's] book has already encouraged many thousands to debate the case for possible government complicity and at the very least to demand a full, transparent and truly independent public inquiry... In that spirit, David Ray Griffin's book deserves to be widely read." -- HOWARD ZINN commenting on A New Pearl Harbor, by David Ray Griffin
mrtoddly 3 years ago
> Zinn is a big fan of David Ray Griffin
He WAS but he changed his mind.
aftertruth 3 years ago
It is certainly true that I am in favor of global democracy and have been working on a rather big book on this topic for many years. But I was surprised that you would assume that there is something creepy to what I have in mind without looking at my arguments and the particular form of world government
that I advocate David Ray Griffin (Sept 13 2004)is a self confessed globalist, pushing for the abolition of sovereign nations, which most true patriots are actually trying to stop.
camstwin 3 years ago
The issue at hand is clearly beyond:
a) his knowledge, and
b) the capacity of his cojones
acrobat741 3 years ago 4
Just like Chomsky...
What is wrong with these people.
They don't care?
Unf*cking believible.
WTFaboutWTC7 3 years ago 2
chomsky, zinn - left gatekeepers. they are lying in order to save the system.
911reset 3 years ago
Zinn said: "Whoever was behind 9/11..."
It sounds like Zinn doesn't want that fact studied and publicized. Odd how he shares the same opinion with Chomsky on this matter. Actually, it's not odd. They're both protecting something.
virginiaboy2008 3 years ago 3
Maybe these guys don't care because despite how many of us know it was fake, the majority of people are pretty much accepting the government version and allow this stuff to be gotten away with, and as main stream media is owned by parties interested in keeping the masses under wraps, they don't believe we can ever get our numbers up enough to fight, therfore they don't think it matters (Cause it's not enough mass).
chaosblessed 3 years ago 2
Yes, I believe the 'something' being protected is the public's belief in the system and hope for the future. I strongly suspect that many folks considered to be "left gatekeepers" are convinced that if the public ever learned the truth (not just about 9-11, but about the true purpose behind 9-11, and the illicit system that perpetrated it) that the public would simply become cynical and passive and stop participating in the shaping of society. The shock to our consciousness may be too great.
mrtoddly 3 years ago 2
Uuuuugh...
Not another Chomsky...
I liked Howard Zinn...
TheParadigmShift 3 years ago
'its the past'...
WTF, the whole world changed because of 9/11 which allowed this agenda to go through.
it's not the past mr. Zinn, 9/11 is the present, and the future.
how can someone who has no problems exposing other things, ignore this and brush it off as 'it happened, get over it', when the future depends on the sunshine.
how?
grozlz 3 years ago 3
but the way to stop those wars is to expose to more people that 911 was done by insiders in the US/UK/others gov, military and secret services along with private parties who would benefit from a US police state and two wars.
If we don't expose 911 the criminals will do the same thing again and again. Only bigger next time.
I am sorry folks,
Zinn is nothing, nothing, nothing.
Don't buy his books and don't give him any money !!!
Don't attend his seminars.
Don't promulgate his teachings.
aBookADay 3 years ago 4
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Please expose them here. Please tell us what you know about these insiders.
horseytown 3 years ago
How can Zinn possibly say that he "doesn't care" about 911 when the events of 911 have been used as THE justification for EVERYTHING that's been going on since, both nationally and internationally!??
DOWN WITH THE "LEFT GATEKEEPERS"!!!!
hansjalv 3 years ago 4
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The baa of the new sheep:
"blah blah blah ...LEFT GATEKEEPERS"
horseytown 3 years ago
What I wrote in my previous message was not "blah blah blah ... LEFT GATEKEEPERS",
it was in fact:
"How can Zinn possibly say that he "doesn't care" about 911 when the events of 911 have been used as THE justification for EVERYTHING that's been going on since, both nationally and internationally!??
DOWN WITH THE "LEFT GATEKEEPERS"!!!!"
Now will you PLEASE tell me what's factually wrong with that statement???
hansjalv 3 years ago
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Well, for one HE DID NOT SAY THAT HE DID NOT CARE ABOUT 9/11. He has spoken and written at length about 9/11 and how (as you mentioned) been exploited, so his record only corroborates this fact. He was, despite how this video has been presented on the Tin Foil websites, it is clear that anyone thinking clearly or at least independently OF the suggestion of those websites, that he was merely giving his personal lack of enthusiasm for the CT movement.
horseytown 3 years ago
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I was actually just commenting on this incessant parroting of the phrase "left gatekeeper".
horseytown 3 years ago
On 9 11 2001 a series of horrific crimes were committed and you'd BETTER BELIEVE that it matters who committed these crimes - and why!!
hansjalv 3 years ago
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Well, what you are not hearing is that WE DO agree that it is important who committed these crimes ...where we differ is who we believe is responsible for them.
My understanding of the events does not engender an endless discussion of hidden occult messages and grandiose conspiracies that would look out of place coming from even the most cliched, over-the-top Bond villains.
horseytown 3 years ago
Please tell me what your basis is for
believing that al-Quaida perpetrated
the crimes of 911.
hansjalv 3 years ago
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My understanding is not that "al-Qaeda" perpetrated the crimes of 911, but that some factions within the loose assemblage of radical Islamists known as "al-Qaeda" in the West, launched the attack as part of a very broad campaign, the history of which runs back several decades, and is rooted in the failures of socialist Arab nationalism.
horseytown 3 years ago
"The goverment lies. It lies always and about everything. But we KNOW that it doesn't lie about September 11, because that just wouldn't be fair."
WAKE UP!!!!
hansjalv 3 years ago
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There is a significant difference between lying about the September 11 attacks and actually launching them.
"WAKE UP!!!!"
You can give that nonsense a rest - Keep the evangelicalism to a minimum, just tell me what you believe I should wake up to. Some basic points.
horseytown 3 years ago
Fine, why don't you start by reading Michel Chossudovskys informative text "Who is Osama bin Laden?", published september 12 2001
(Just google and you'll find it).
hansjalv 3 years ago
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I am amazed that fewer people do not ASK "Have you read ____", instead of simply assuming that there other person is entirely benighted. I am fully aware of Chossudovsky and I know the article (ISI, Sov. Invasian) to which you refer. I have written much about Clinton's black flights into Bosnia, C-130s full of Afghan mujahideen, etc. and how 9/11 was a variant on the Bojinka plot (Bojinka being Serbo-Croatian that KSM learned there), etc., etc.
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horseytown 3 years ago
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I write about Zionist hawks and the perpetrators of great crimes of inhumanity in the O.T. given a carte blanche by their friend/permanent member of the UNSC, and pretty much ever single topic that is touched upon by run-of-the-mill CT.
What distinguishes myself from CTers is that I do not read otherworldly malevolence into the actions of the corporatist imperialists - I see only cynical, vicious opportunism and Machiavellian savagery. I find the statists to be more sociopathic than maniacal.
horseytown 3 years ago
>... I do not read otherworldly malevolence >into the actions of the corporatist >imperialists - I see only cynical, vicious >opportunism and Machiavellian savagery.
I could not have said it better myself!
hansjalv 3 years ago
Great! Then I'm sure you've also read Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmeds "The War on Truth" (from 2005), in which the author documents the ongoing collaboration in the balkans between elements of the CIA (and US special forces) and "Wahabbi veterans" from central Asia
- some of whome are personal friends of Osama bin Laden?
hansjalv 3 years ago
He doesnt care because it's past? This is a peace activist?
roeschuxxx 3 years ago 8
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That is not what he said. Try again.
horseytown 3 years ago
Let me guess ..."try again" ..you must be a teacher in middleschool ;)
roeschuxxx 3 years ago
"And frankly I don't care that much."
That speaks volumes.
Thanks ever so much for the great prioritizing, Mr. Howard Zinn.
Is it me ...
or does anyone else notice when they look at university students, that in recent years, college is mostly cranking out shills for the status quo ?
NaturaVulnera 3 years ago 13
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""And frankly I don't care that much."
That speaks volumes."
That you felt the need to distort what he actually said speaks volumes about you.
horseytown 3 years ago
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How can you say,"I used to seriously respect this guy" and "zinn has let me down big time"? Why? Because he didn't tell you what you wanted to hear? You can't just dismiss every opinion which isn't the same as your. What kind of "truth" is that?
jakedparent 3 years ago
Ok, let's look at this another way. Let's say a loved one of yours died as a result of the 9/11 event. Then I say to you, Hey man, that's in the past. Let it go. It doesn't matter who killed your (mom/dad/brother/wife).
Would you respect my opinion?
SONOFABITCH 3 years ago 8
Unbelievable.
I used to seriously respect this guy.
SONOFABITCH 3 years ago 6
zinn zinn what a sin.
pitbullpimple 3 years ago 5
zinn has let me down big time.
WeAreChangeBoston 3 years ago 8
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you're an idiot
KentAllard 3 years ago