what a bullshit! how on earth somebody can believe in a book written from primitive ppl thousands of years ago, 200 years ppl believed in ghosts and witches now someone should believe in a book and his old tales? Cmon, mankind reached the moon, healed cancer, cloned animals and you tell us to believe in a god damn thousands years old book, from a time ppl were scared from everything they cant explain! go on dreaming from heaven, its 2011!! dooooh
There's a church I pass every night that has a big sign out front which always has some sort of humorous but completely arrogant Christian one-liner on it.
This month's theme is "Eternity: Smoking or non-smoking?"
Please read Leviticus 14. Assuming God created man, and leprosy, and the cure for leprosy, why did he not bother to explain that the actual cure could be found in a bacteria on the sands of the French Riviera- not a far trip from Israel?
Besides all the interesting people that throughout the ages that weren't Christian, the fact is YOUR religion has hurt mankind very badly. It's retarded our growth in knowledge, technology and morality. If I had absolute proof that the bible was true I would still spit on it.
'Christianity claims to be telling us about another world, about something behind the world we can touch and hear and see. You may think the claim false; but if it were true, what it tells us would be bound to be difficult -- at least as difficult as modern Physics, and for the same reason.' - CS Lewis - Mere Christianity
@4chris10s Thank you for the video, sir. I can clearly see that you like to incorporate humor (albeit of the dark kind) into your preaching. However, I do think that you are trivializing the atheist/agnostic point-of-view. I don't think any humanist just looks at the universe from the Hubble Space Telescope and immediately thinks, "Oh, I get it! God does not exist." It's more of a process of discovery about our cosmos as revealed through science. Anyway, I look forward to hearing from you.
"Informed Decision"- pick one religious doctrine, out of thousands. Derive all of your conclusions from this one book, ignoring that fact that it is 2000 years old, devoid of any evidence, has countless passages that have been scientifically dis-proven, promotes a grossly outdated system of morals, and rejects knowledge and free thinking. You should look up the meaning of "informed decision", and check out "moron" while you're at it.
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Sagan's and Dawkin's world is populated with mechanized meatbags where "everything is permitted" because there is no God; because there are no moral absolutes. Humans are just stimulus-response robots occupying a universe where the only interesting things happening are due to chaos.
if you can prove that hell exists, you would have more likes to this pointless video. you aren't preaching to anyone, just confirming how sadly misinformed you are. may you find enlightenment.
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It is interesting how much Carl Sagan was interested in alien contact and how they could improve our lives, perhaps even make us immortal - exactly the things that the Bible promises us that God will do for us.
The story of jesus has been told before, but with different names and locations. That enough should show how untrue the "holy" book you live your life by is.
This is terrible. It's not even intellectual poison, because that would be giving it too much credit. REAL intellectual poison comes from the apologists who delude too many things based on unanswerable questions, or simply fall back to the 'God of the Gaps'.
It's people like the person who made this video who will keep humanity from making any real progress for a few more generations. I really wish I could see it happen - When we aren't shackled to the idealism to which we're born into.
Prove to me God exists. You can't. It is improvable. The book was written 2,000 years ago in the desert, like most other religions. Religion is blood hungry, and money hungry, and only wants power. Evolution is proven. It is as true as the "theory" of gravity. There is no need for a creator.
I have never had a youtube account because I saw no need to take part in the 'forum' style arguments that occur in every video response section, but I had to create one just now to say, you sir are a hypocritical, low, and utterly simple piece of shit. Grow up, please.... ugh, pathetic. (FYI Agnostic's and Atheist's are quite different)
O people, an example is presented, so listen to it. Indeed, those you invoke besides Allah will never create [as much as] a fly, even if they gathered together for that purpose. And if the fly should steal away from them a [tiny] thing, they could not recover it from him. Weak are the pursuer and pursued.
"The bible tells us". You are using the bible as a credit for what we should believe about the nature of the Universe. You are very, very ignorant about reality and brainwashed. People like you hold humanity down. Stop using a 1-st century book that involves slavery and genocide to create your best understanding of reality. We are not in bronze age Roman Empire, its 21-st century. And guess what, there is no evidence to even suggess that The Universe is controled by some imaginary friend. ;)
Please give us the proof that your religion is correct. Also, just because something shows that Jesus Christ did exist does not mean he was the son of the Creator of the entire universe. The Bible is most likely just an explanation of what went on around them that had been changed and modified throughout the years.
Quien hizo este video no actua con buen juicio ya que carl tiene margen de error al igual que todos aqui en este planeta, me cae muy bien sagan fue un excelente científico pero llego a una limitante hay que reconocerlo, hizo un tercer paso sin dar el segundo, "Intuición que mata Amigo"
The problem with your last statement within this video is that you never establish why one should use the Bible as a source of authority on what happens after we die. Your video is nothing more than ad hominem attacks on Carl Sagan. I was hoping that you would actually provide a rational rebuttal to Carl's claims. Why should one take the Bible as the ultimate authority on what happens after we die? What basis is there for assigning such authority to the Bible?
How Ironic. Some of the best people in the world, who contribute the most to society, and the well being of his fellow man, can go to hell. But even the most degenerate murder can enter heaven if he believes and confesses that Jesus is Lord. I guess it doesn't even matter what you do in life, it only matters what you believe.
I take solace in the fact that all these religious people are going to die, and rot, nothing else. Death is just the end of biological function, there is no afterlife.
@jonesgerard Spirituality is a made up concept by people like you. It has no real meaning, you can say "i'm a spiritual person" but what does it mean? That you believe things without evidence? Does that make sense to you? Because it doesn't to me. And proof is proof, it's not objective. Please don't try to sound poetic while making your nonsense points, at least make sure their actually correct. There is no "objective" proof for god. Theres no such thing as "it's proof to me, but not you."
I suppose you've studied, in depth, all the religious texts of all the other religions and have determined conclusively that they are absolutely false? Why study just the bible? It could be wrong, right?
@beaster29 You don't need to study any religious text to know their all false, how? Evidence. There is not a single piece of evidence supporting any religion, that's what makes it false. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, I have yet to see any, so my conclusion is that it's plain not true.
@jonesgerard Really man? Really? You say extraordinary claims should be discarded and then you start talking about how you believe in god? Don't you see the contradiction there? My point still stands, there is no proof for a god, whatsoever. Therefore it should be considered as the fairytale that it is.
@jonesgerard Faith is faith, fact is fact. You need to grasp that distinction, not me. I'm not the one believing in things without evidence. When you have faith, you loose the need for evidence to prove claims, and it's a downward spiral from there. Nothing good can come of it.
You simply cannot accept the fact that faith works in my life, my life.
The evidence is in my life, got it yet?
Demanding proof is irrational when you must gain your own experience with God, that will be your proof. You have to actually DO something, not just sit around and read all about it, You cannot experience the inside of my mind, you can only experience your own mind. This isn't rocket science.
@jonesgerard You may interpret your supposed "experiences" as evidence, but how are we to trust that these experiences were actually genuine and not just a product of imagination? The mind can play tricks, and often does. Couple that with peoples' powerful imagination and you can have all sorts of "proofs" for all sorts of ridiculous things. But, if that works for you, then thats all good. Doesn't mean that such "evidence" works for us.
@jonesgerard The evidence (for god) doesn't come so much from the experience as from the way one chooses to look at the experience. The evidence only appears when one places it there by attributing natural events, coincidences, good luck, etc to the work of god. When one accepts that, then they can deal with all the fools who claim "here's the proof".
@SmokeWeedEveryHour Absolutely agree. Yet, people have the arrogance to claim their particular religion is unquestioningly true and all others are absolutely false. While, commonly, knowing little to nothing about any religion, including their own.
Actually it has proven to be the opposite. Theists spend all there time thinking about or preparing for the afterlife. Atheists live in every precious moment. Why are you so threatened by us any way? It takes only the simple logic of a child to realize that god would care either way if we believed in "him" or not. What an ego if that were true. "what, you dont believe in me? God. Go to Hell!! Please.
Oh no! Carl Sagan is teaching people the scientific truth! Quick! Let's remind everyone that our loving and just God is going to make him burn in hell for it! Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! If there is a hell, then I am sure it is for theists who blindly follow bronze-age religions rather than face scientific scrutiny.
Carl Sagan was a wonderful person. He knew that the more knowledge we gain, the bigger the questions become. Religious absolutism is corrosive. It divides. It causes hate, cruelty, famine, war and death. There is no absolute truth. The closest we can come, and Carl knew this, was science. Absolutism in any form is ignorant. It is dangerous. "Because the Bible ( or the Koran, the Tora, the Hindu Vedas, etc.) tells me so." is not enough for me. I will continue to think for myself.
Why worship God when you can worship Carl? I mean, we actually have proof of him, no atrocities have EVER been done in his name, and he's an all around better person.
Exactly! Think about it! He's EVERYTHING a God is supposed to be! Humble, Peaceloving, Just, Peaceful, all loving, Kind, Logical, Wise, Smart, Knoweldgeable, wholly truthful...He's everything the God of the Bible was supposed to be but wasn't!
Oh my god, are you seriously trying to scare people into being faithful? Or maybe you yourself are believing in god because you fear hell? That is utterly pathetic, not even the pope himself is that retarded anymore. These were the methods of the middleages.
But youre probably an american fundamentalist christian, no one takes you guys seriously anyway.
u believe in hell..u don't deserve intellectual respect. your brain is made of a superstitious blob of goo. imo, to believe in something so irrational, makes u hopelessly dellusional, and almost pity worthy to people who are sane naturalists.
This video makes me absolutely sick. Please read the most highly liked comment. And, HOW IN THE UNIVERSE can you mockingly quote Sagan saying "we are made of stardust" like that's lame? You sir, are a waste of a human.
yes, follow this book written by people who speculate that the earth is only a few generations old. People who say the galaxy, in fact the whole universe is only 6000 years old. What is it that makes your Jesus any more valid than Mohamed, or Zeus? You are very wrong to think that you are right because your parents told you that you were
This rudimentary attempt at an argument is the similar to many argument made for a creator in that it is a shameless attempt to guilt people in to believing in an invisible, powerless, and imaginary entity. I think that believing in a God is not necessarily a bad thing, but when sheeple like you get a Bible in your hand (or any religious book) and start to group up religion becomes dangerous. Religion has and will always hold back significant gains in education, logic, morality and humanity.
why fear an imaginary hell, and hope for an imaginary heaven, when we can fully embrace the reality that carl sagan so eloquently panited for all of us?
I'm having trouble imagining there could be people who don't like Carl Sagan.
But i guess if you're still into that bronze-age mythology stuff, you might.
Carl Sagan has returned all his matter and consciousness to the cosmos, for it all to be recycled into something else. All the rest of us have left is memories and his videos and writing.
I have nothing but respect for anyone who would help us to see what a beautiful place our cosmos really is.
If you're trying to convert atheists, you can't threaten them with brimstone. You can't tell them to read the bible. They don't take those things seriously. It's like giving a hoodlum a book of jokes and thinking they'll straighten up after they read it. You have absolutely no idea what you're doing. =/
For all you know hell could be a white lie perpetuated by a god or gods to ensure the fidelity of goodness in his creation. It not as if god would be incapable of lying for the greater good.
Read the God Delusion and wake up from methology and superstitious beliefs. Man created God not the converse. Not one single argument has ever stood up to make the case for God. Not one!
If God does exist he abandoned us a long time ago. To live with such a God is to live with an unreliable father. Religion has attacked science from the beginning. How many different Christian churches are there? You have Catholics, Mormons, Baptists, Evangelicals and many more. Which one is the right one? In the middle east you have violent wars that were started long ago because of religious differences.
That you have a different opinion is fine with me. What makes me angry is that you choose to depict Sagan as saying things that he simply did not say, let alone believe in. Don't you think your opinion, or your "thought experiment," can stand without making things up, or pretending that two positions on religion are the same? Just because two positions are not the same as yours doesn't mean they are the same position.
For the record, there is a big difference between atheist and agnostic. An atheist takes the position that no god exists, and an agnostic takes the position of not knowing.
Have you read any of Sagan's books at all? If you had, you would know that Sagan never denied the existence of a god. The only thing in this video that he actually says is "We are made of stardust." And he certainly never quoted Laplace, who said "I have no need for that hypothesis."
If god sends people to hell for not worshiping him, then he's a narcissistic fascist and I want nothing to do with him.
Whatever happens when we die, nobody knows -- but at least I haven't wasted my life on my knees, feeling guilty about stuff I didn't do and begged for some imaginary figure's mercy. You guys are masochists.
Carl Sagan was cool and his afterlife manifests as the admiration from his fans, which continues on long after you're gone and forgotten.
Reading the latest comments gives me the impression that hell has already come. Many of these professed atheists wish death or worse to anyone who disagrees with their philosophy. I wish nothing but goodness and love for you all.
@4chris10s Doubtful. You threaten people with hell and then claim to wish nothing but good for all? Why not suppose that Sagan and Gould had a deathbed repentance like so many are wont to do? Instead, you decide they have been cast into an eternal lake of fire by an omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent being that decided that the only way to save the world (that is, by virtue of its aforesaid traits incapable of not functioning in exactly the way it intended) was to sacrifice itself to itself.
@4chris10s That's just utter bullshit, you can't just make shit up and call it fact you dumbass. I have NEVER met an atheist who wanted everyone who disagrees with him dead, thats a religious thing to do. You apparently wish eternal fire to anyone who disagrees with you, you don't want goodness and love, you fucking lying hypocrite. Maybe you should develop some critical thinking skills numbnuts, maybe then you'll have more reason than 5 year old.
The bible is a BOOK, like any other it is a story... IF there is a god, and you live your life asa "good" person, I'm sure he/she/it would understand... But I'm going to stick with the FACTS, which is science.
Normally I wouldn't waste any more of my time on such a retarded video, but I just wanted the maker of it to know that he is an absolute idiot. Your beliefs are illogical and unscientific.
only when you stop believing in the fairytale of religion will you truly be able to open yourself up to the vast wealth of knowledge possessed by mankind, till then you are doomed to live in the dark ages. And think on this, thousands of gods have burst into existence and fizzled out, yours has supposedly only been around for about 6000 years... what in the world, no, the universe, makes you think that your god is the right one
Please follow the teachings of Christ and the bible OR ELSE YOUR GOING TO BURN IN HELL.
Sounds like a bully that use to pick on weaker kids in school if you ask me. By using threats and intimidation it would weigh against the evidence of any god existing. Surely a god does not need to scare us into submission or allow such evil attrocities to be committed in his name for his causes throughout history, does god?
fucking morons, your god is a disgusting fiction. Grow up or kill yourselves, those of us with minds are sick of humanity being held back by your ludicrous fairy tales.
"many live as enemies of the cross of Christ. Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is on earthly things." Philippians 3:18ff - sounds a bit like what Sagan espoused.
you are a psycho, take a gun and go to hunt witches and make slaves because you bible said so... "justify the existence of god with the bible is like justify the existence of superman with a comic". you will burn in hell to because you dont believe in zeus or visnu. they have hells for infidels too.
@4chris10s why dont you make decisions on evidence and rationality not fear or promise of heaven cause guess what dipshit muslims have a hell to so you better be right and oh yeh lol you might want to think about where you want to spend eternity
@4chris10s who are you to condemn someone to eternal hell? I see that as an act only "God" could do meaning he will also send you to hell. in fact, this movie condemns two people who did very much for the understanding of the human species and the cosmos, and Carl's view of the universe will forever be a billion-fold more beautiful than your petty 'christ'
i'm with you there, heaven can't truly be heaven... because in order to make it paradise, everyone must love each other, and the only way for that to happen is to remove "free will" and that doesn't sound like any heaven for me
really I thought that the real objetive is make of this life a heaven, we don't need other life to be happy, we can found the beauty in nature, with awesome details and elegant facts. reality is bigger than every fantasy delusion else...
i do believe that everyone should find beauty in nature and life this one life we all have to its fullest, glory in today, regret nothing from the past and look forward to tomorrow ... i was just stating that there is a logical impossibility of heaven truly being paradise
what if you had no free will and happened to not know of the matter.. or if the circumstances of that world lead you to a state of existence in which anything other than love was the logical impossibility. either way I'm just thinking not suggesting anything I say is true
@jonesgerard I hope. and that don't care me. if after life exist and the hell exist, that is my responsability, I have a responsability with my acts, and I acept all that. not like believers that put all them dirt over the Jesus shoulders to be safe. to me, that doesn't have any moral and is etically incorrect. "hell in justice is better than a heaven full of hypocrisy".
First of all Carl Sagan didn't want to believe in the truth of life. He wanted to know the truth of life by direct observation, experimentation / investigation, and developing a theory based upon measured data and experience. Not conceptual, hypothetical, fictional data.
Sagan is indirectly responsible for developments that will save billions upon billions of life. Propulsion systems that will take us across the universe. Computers that, one of which. will make every computer currently on Earth (super or otherwise) combined look like a cheap children's toy. Technology that will grow enough food to feed even more billions. Renewable, efficient, power sources that can easily support humanity. And efficient terraforming. JUST TO NAME A FEW!!
You haven't even proven the soul so your entire argument is essentially an argument from ignorance. The burden of proof is with you. You've yet to present any at all. So you have no case.
"Unfortunately you will have to live until the day you die."
@jonesgerard I don't think Sagan "saved" any souls, whatever that means. I assume it means something like: [ When a deity removes a hell-bound soul from the fiery path in which the said deity instigated in the first place.] Is this correct? One analogy I've experienced was when I was a child, I'd "torture" G.I. Joes with magnifying glasses. But I was so merciful that I stopped torturing them when they "surrendered" to me. God can save me from the hell he created, but Sagan saved me from God.
@VanKlaunch I find it interesting how atheists attack Jesus, not Moheamed or Buddah. That should arouse suspicion in the atheists logic but it doesn't.
Actually, we do. I argue against Islam all the time. We don't attack Buddah, because Buddah is not a God. Buddah is revered within Buddihsm, not as a God, but an extremely enlightened (i.e. wise) perfectly human being. Something we CAN become as well. Furthermore, Buhddism does not mandate a God, in its raw form, Buhddism is a philosophy that may act as a catalyst to religion. But it is not one in and of itself. So there is no need to.
iT's 2012 and people still belive this garbage!!!!
metaldave08096 4 weeks ago
hahahaha, the monkeys can use internet and make videos, thats evolution baby!
xmfdibujito 1 month ago
what a bullshit! how on earth somebody can believe in a book written from primitive ppl thousands of years ago, 200 years ppl believed in ghosts and witches now someone should believe in a book and his old tales? Cmon, mankind reached the moon, healed cancer, cloned animals and you tell us to believe in a god damn thousands years old book, from a time ppl were scared from everything they cant explain! go on dreaming from heaven, its 2011!! dooooh
sharpanator 4 months ago
There's a church I pass every night that has a big sign out front which always has some sort of humorous but completely arrogant Christian one-liner on it.
This month's theme is "Eternity: Smoking or non-smoking?"
I can't help but chuckle.
SeedsOfHatred 4 months ago
The poster here is proof that we have billions and billions of years before we can let go of our earthly fairy tales.
splibb 4 months ago
How can you 'study the Bible' and then 'make an informed decision'
The two are mutually exclusive.
AsDeadAsDillinger 5 months ago 3
What an abysmal waste of time watching this rubbish. God bothering fool....
aoxomoxoa88 7 months ago 5
Please read Leviticus 14. Assuming God created man, and leprosy, and the cure for leprosy, why did he not bother to explain that the actual cure could be found in a bacteria on the sands of the French Riviera- not a far trip from Israel?
durandal93 7 months ago
Besides all the interesting people that throughout the ages that weren't Christian, the fact is YOUR religion has hurt mankind very badly. It's retarded our growth in knowledge, technology and morality. If I had absolute proof that the bible was true I would still spit on it.
NotDuncan 7 months ago 2
John Adams
"The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for
absurdity."
NotDuncan 7 months ago 4
Jefferson
I have examined all the known superstitions of the world and I do not find
in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They
are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men,
women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been
burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this
coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to
support roguery and error all over the earth.
NotDuncan 7 months ago 3
Thomas Paine
"I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to
that book (the Bible)."
NotDuncan 7 months ago 4
"The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for
enslaving mankind and adulturated by artificial constructions into a
contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy in fact,
constitute the real Anti-Christ." Thomas Jefferson
NotDuncan 7 months ago 3
Stone age scribblings contain no wisdom about the universe.
Kawabunga02 8 months ago 3
Successful troll is successful
crimsonkiing 8 months ago
'Christianity claims to be telling us about another world, about something behind the world we can touch and hear and see. You may think the claim false; but if it were true, what it tells us would be bound to be difficult -- at least as difficult as modern Physics, and for the same reason.' - CS Lewis - Mere Christianity
4chris10s 9 months ago
@4chris10s Thank you for the video, sir. I can clearly see that you like to incorporate humor (albeit of the dark kind) into your preaching. However, I do think that you are trivializing the atheist/agnostic point-of-view. I don't think any humanist just looks at the universe from the Hubble Space Telescope and immediately thinks, "Oh, I get it! God does not exist." It's more of a process of discovery about our cosmos as revealed through science. Anyway, I look forward to hearing from you.
scienceman96 5 months ago
"Informed Decision"- pick one religious doctrine, out of thousands. Derive all of your conclusions from this one book, ignoring that fact that it is 2000 years old, devoid of any evidence, has countless passages that have been scientifically dis-proven, promotes a grossly outdated system of morals, and rejects knowledge and free thinking. You should look up the meaning of "informed decision", and check out "moron" while you're at it.
022ES 9 months ago 4
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Sagan's and Dawkin's world is populated with mechanized meatbags where "everything is permitted" because there is no God; because there are no moral absolutes. Humans are just stimulus-response robots occupying a universe where the only interesting things happening are due to chaos.
4chris10s 10 months ago
if you can prove that hell exists, you would have more likes to this pointless video. you aren't preaching to anyone, just confirming how sadly misinformed you are. may you find enlightenment.
CamizaAzul 10 months ago 2
Informed decision? Ha ha ha ha ha!
Wait. . . informed decision?
Ha ha ha ha ha!
That is just too rich!
ThePabloBravo 11 months ago
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It is interesting how much Carl Sagan was interested in alien contact and how they could improve our lives, perhaps even make us immortal - exactly the things that the Bible promises us that God will do for us.
4chris10s 11 months ago
Bible=Hitler's diary.
BuffMcGruff1 1 year ago
Fuck you and the black horse of ignorance you rode in on. RIP Carl! You will be missed loved and admired by all!
BlueChipNinja 1 year ago
RIP CARL! You are my hero sir!
BlueChipNinja 1 year ago
The story of jesus has been told before, but with different names and locations. That enough should show how untrue the "holy" book you live your life by is.
idreamtofflight 1 year ago 2
wow. the level of stupidity people are willing to take just to prove god's existence amazes me.
study the bible to make an informed decision about where i wanna spend eternity?
what, you scarin people now to promote stupidity?
oh, i forgot... religious nuts already did that centuries ago.
joefvanzreinnbod 1 year ago 3
There is only one hell : hell on earth and is called humans stupidity .You are our hell.
MrPrawdaboli 1 year ago 20
This is terrible. It's not even intellectual poison, because that would be giving it too much credit. REAL intellectual poison comes from the apologists who delude too many things based on unanswerable questions, or simply fall back to the 'God of the Gaps'.
It's people like the person who made this video who will keep humanity from making any real progress for a few more generations. I really wish I could see it happen - When we aren't shackled to the idealism to which we're born into.
amanatee 1 year ago
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amanatee 1 year ago
Why study the bible for answers?
RavenofDenmark 1 year ago
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Carl Sagan was a fool according to the writer of Psalms 14. I am a fool too but not for ignoring God.
4chris10s 1 year ago
i hope the the day comes in our society when it is illegal to perpetuate bullshit, like childporn
marcoupha 1 year ago
I just had to nab the 300th comment to say thanks to everyone for keeping the religious anxiety flowing - keep it up!
4chris10s 1 year ago
Prove to me God exists. You can't. It is improvable. The book was written 2,000 years ago in the desert, like most other religions. Religion is blood hungry, and money hungry, and only wants power. Evolution is proven. It is as true as the "theory" of gravity. There is no need for a creator.
PM me if you want a real discussion.
thepsychicpebble 1 year ago
I must say, the creator of this video is not a retard, but a creationist, which is one level below in intelligence.
I'm sure many have asked, but who made God?
EnceladusEmpire 1 year ago
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EnceladusEmpire 1 year ago
I have never had a youtube account because I saw no need to take part in the 'forum' style arguments that occur in every video response section, but I had to create one just now to say, you sir are a hypocritical, low, and utterly simple piece of shit. Grow up, please.... ugh, pathetic. (FYI Agnostic's and Atheist's are quite different)
YouSirAreIgnorant1 1 year ago
how can you call yourself good when blackmail people to think what you think, is blackmail not a sin?
isthereanythathasnt3 1 year ago
O people, an example is presented, so listen to it. Indeed, those you invoke besides Allah will never create [as much as] a fly, even if they gathered together for that purpose. And if the fly should steal away from them a [tiny] thing, they could not recover it from him. Weak are the pursuer and pursued.
AElgohary2010 1 year ago
Fuck you
ripsaw111 1 year ago 24
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@4chris10s wow :O you've made a witty little line "Theists are "dying to live", atheists are living to die." therefore christianity must be true!
Assuming that, y'know, all that proven scientific fact is wrong.....
JWalrusnostril 1 year ago
"The bible tells us". You are using the bible as a credit for what we should believe about the nature of the Universe. You are very, very ignorant about reality and brainwashed. People like you hold humanity down. Stop using a 1-st century book that involves slavery and genocide to create your best understanding of reality. We are not in bronze age Roman Empire, its 21-st century. And guess what, there is no evidence to even suggess that The Universe is controled by some imaginary friend. ;)
szapryanov3 1 year ago
Please give us the proof that your religion is correct. Also, just because something shows that Jesus Christ did exist does not mean he was the son of the Creator of the entire universe. The Bible is most likely just an explanation of what went on around them that had been changed and modified throughout the years.
yerfdog1935 1 year ago
Quien hizo este video no actua con buen juicio ya que carl tiene margen de error al igual que todos aqui en este planeta, me cae muy bien sagan fue un excelente científico pero llego a una limitante hay que reconocerlo, hizo un tercer paso sin dar el segundo, "Intuición que mata Amigo"
adansagu 1 year ago
Wow, you've DEFINITELY proven your point. You are right, and no one else is, even other people who believe in Hell.
JScarper 1 year ago
Apologies for that outburst,it was,in hindsight, unnecessary (as was the phrase "almost literally")
itnhieiyt 1 year ago
you are,almost literally.a cunt
itnhieiyt 1 year ago
Carl Sagan was closer to God than you are.
optimusprimevil1984 1 year ago 2
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This is about the dumbest thing I have ever seen.
I mean... even for creationists... this is bush league.
captobvious7112 1 year ago
This is about the dumbest thing I have seen.
I mean... even for creationists... this is bush league.
captobvious7112 1 year ago
Wow, this is some seriously stupid stuff!
paxpaul 1 year ago
Do people really still think like this? Faith through fear. Very, very sad.
scottp118 1 year ago
BOLLOKS
harrybrew69 1 year ago
To all the christian apologists who try to tell me that fear of hell isn't the sole modivation for most christians;
I don't think this guy got the memo. Thank you, kind sir. Thank you for proving me right.
geminyo 1 year ago
The problem with your last statement within this video is that you never establish why one should use the Bible as a source of authority on what happens after we die. Your video is nothing more than ad hominem attacks on Carl Sagan. I was hoping that you would actually provide a rational rebuttal to Carl's claims. Why should one take the Bible as the ultimate authority on what happens after we die? What basis is there for assigning such authority to the Bible?
inexadra 1 year ago
@inexadra, duh, because the Bible SAYS we should give it that authority. That's why. Geeze. ;-)
scottp118 1 year ago
How Ironic. Some of the best people in the world, who contribute the most to society, and the well being of his fellow man, can go to hell. But even the most degenerate murder can enter heaven if he believes and confesses that Jesus is Lord. I guess it doesn't even matter what you do in life, it only matters what you believe.
Phreshnis 1 year ago
"'What we all dread most,' said the priest in a low voice, 'is a maze with no centre. That is why atheism is only a nightmare'.'" G.K. Chesterton
4chris10s 1 year ago
I take solace in the fact that all these religious people are going to die, and rot, nothing else. Death is just the end of biological function, there is no afterlife.
SmokeWeedEveryHour 1 year ago
@SmokeWeedEveryHour
So you are spiritually dead already. It shows.
The dead shall bury the dead.
jonesgerard 1 year ago
@jonesgerard Spirituality is a made up concept by people like you. It has no real meaning, you can say "i'm a spiritual person" but what does it mean? That you believe things without evidence? Does that make sense to you? Because it doesn't to me. And proof is proof, it's not objective. Please don't try to sound poetic while making your nonsense points, at least make sure their actually correct. There is no "objective" proof for god. Theres no such thing as "it's proof to me, but not you."
SmokeWeedEveryHour 1 year ago
@SmokeWeedEveryHour It means you live by spiritual values.(love, tolerance, patience etc).
Your life is your evidence, mine is mine.
AND you cannot have objective proof of the highly subjective.
If you want facts, thats the big one you keep trying to ignore.
jonesgerard 1 year ago
Don't know about you guys, but I'm spending eternity with Carl Sagan, we're gun smoke weed and ponder the Universe together like the pros we are :D
DrPepperAndSteak 1 year ago
@DrPepperAndSteak
Minus the weed, count me in too bro.
tskasa1 1 year ago
THIS VIDEO IS A FRAUD AND THE MAKERS OF IT ARE EVIL BASTARDS
VitalemRecords 1 year ago
I suppose you've studied, in depth, all the religious texts of all the other religions and have determined conclusively that they are absolutely false? Why study just the bible? It could be wrong, right?
beaster29 1 year ago 2
@beaster29 You don't need to study any religious text to know their all false, how? Evidence. There is not a single piece of evidence supporting any religion, that's what makes it false. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, I have yet to see any, so my conclusion is that it's plain not true.
SmokeWeedEveryHour 1 year ago
@SmokeWeedEveryHour
And Extraordinary claims should be disgarded.
Religion isn't God.
Its only "about God".
jonesgerard 1 year ago
@jonesgerard Really man? Really? You say extraordinary claims should be discarded and then you start talking about how you believe in god? Don't you see the contradiction there? My point still stands, there is no proof for a god, whatsoever. Therefore it should be considered as the fairytale that it is.
SmokeWeedEveryHour 1 year ago
@SmokeWeedEveryHour You can't grasp the distinction between faith and objective proof.
To even consider seeking objective proof for God is just plain nuts.
All you're doing is claiming the nonexistence of what cannot be.
At what stage do you get your own point ?
jonesgerard 1 year ago
@jonesgerard Faith is faith, fact is fact. You need to grasp that distinction, not me. I'm not the one believing in things without evidence. When you have faith, you loose the need for evidence to prove claims, and it's a downward spiral from there. Nothing good can come of it.
SmokeWeedEveryHour 1 year ago
@SmokeWeedEveryHour \
You simply cannot accept the fact that faith works in my life, my life.
The evidence is in my life, got it yet?
Demanding proof is irrational when you must gain your own experience with God, that will be your proof. You have to actually DO something, not just sit around and read all about it, You cannot experience the inside of my mind, you can only experience your own mind. This isn't rocket science.
jonesgerard 1 year ago
@jonesgerard You may interpret your supposed "experiences" as evidence, but how are we to trust that these experiences were actually genuine and not just a product of imagination? The mind can play tricks, and often does. Couple that with peoples' powerful imagination and you can have all sorts of "proofs" for all sorts of ridiculous things. But, if that works for you, then thats all good. Doesn't mean that such "evidence" works for us.
beaster29 1 year ago
@beaster29 Your evidence must come from your own experience.
You cannot live my experience.
Then you can deal with all the fools who ask you "wheres the proof".
jonesgerard 1 year ago
@jonesgerard The evidence (for god) doesn't come so much from the experience as from the way one chooses to look at the experience. The evidence only appears when one places it there by attributing natural events, coincidences, good luck, etc to the work of god. When one accepts that, then they can deal with all the fools who claim "here's the proof".
beaster29 1 year ago
@beaster29 Are you speaking from experience or giving an opinion?
Theres the fools who say heres the proof and the fool who demands it.
Its impossible to distinguish between them.
There is no proof, proof is objective, experience is subjective.
jonesgerard 1 year ago
@SmokeWeedEveryHour Absolutely agree. Yet, people have the arrogance to claim their particular religion is unquestioningly true and all others are absolutely false. While, commonly, knowing little to nothing about any religion, including their own.
beaster29 1 year ago
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Why don't you take you bible and shove it up your urethra.
0Riddic 1 year ago
I would rather worship someone who someone who wants the best for us like Carl did and encourages science
carlsagandisciple 1 year ago
Actually it has proven to be the opposite. Theists spend all there time thinking about or preparing for the afterlife. Atheists live in every precious moment. Why are you so threatened by us any way? It takes only the simple logic of a child to realize that god would care either way if we believed in "him" or not. What an ego if that were true. "what, you dont believe in me? God. Go to Hell!! Please.
TheReligionkills 1 year ago
I'll spend the rest of eternity dead cheers =)
Ultre 1 year ago
Oh no! Carl Sagan is teaching people the scientific truth! Quick! Let's remind everyone that our loving and just God is going to make him burn in hell for it! Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! If there is a hell, then I am sure it is for theists who blindly follow bronze-age religions rather than face scientific scrutiny.
BlueRonin44 1 year ago 2
Carl Sagan was a wonderful person. He knew that the more knowledge we gain, the bigger the questions become. Religious absolutism is corrosive. It divides. It causes hate, cruelty, famine, war and death. There is no absolute truth. The closest we can come, and Carl knew this, was science. Absolutism in any form is ignorant. It is dangerous. "Because the Bible ( or the Koran, the Tora, the Hindu Vedas, etc.) tells me so." is not enough for me. I will continue to think for myself.
5150brew 1 year ago
Why worship God when you can worship Carl? I mean, we actually have proof of him, no atrocities have EVER been done in his name, and he's an all around better person.
tskasa1 1 year ago 19
@tskasa1 I don't think Mr. Sagan would have wanted anyone to worship him - whereas God calls us to worship Him.
4chris10s 1 year ago
@4chris10s
Exactly! Think about it! He's EVERYTHING a God is supposed to be! Humble, Peaceloving, Just, Peaceful, all loving, Kind, Logical, Wise, Smart, Knoweldgeable, wholly truthful...He's everything the God of the Bible was supposed to be but wasn't!
tskasa1 1 year ago
@4chris10s And that makes God right.
JScarper 1 year ago
@tskasa1
Sagan is dead,
God lives.
jonesgerard 1 year ago
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@jonesgerard
"Sagan is dead,
God lives."
Sagan is within us all. And shall live forever.
Gods tend to go the way of Zeus. Or Marduk. Or Amaterasu, who you've probably never even heard of.
@DrPepperAndSteak
Minus the weed, count me in too bro.
tskasa1 1 year ago
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Carl Sagan was a great man as humans go, but he couldn't tell me how to save my soul.
4chris10s 1 year ago
@4chris10s
what is wrong with you soul?
turbolokki 1 year ago
@4chris10s Sagan couldn't tell you how to save your leprechaun gold either
RakdosLives 1 year ago
@4chris10s Of course he couldn't, because people don't have souls.
nightmareofsolomon 1 year ago
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Theists are "dying to live", atheists are living to die.
4chris10s 1 year ago
Oh my god, are you seriously trying to scare people into being faithful? Or maybe you yourself are believing in god because you fear hell? That is utterly pathetic, not even the pope himself is that retarded anymore. These were the methods of the middleages.
But youre probably an american fundamentalist christian, no one takes you guys seriously anyway.
DanielSahne 1 year ago 18
u believe in hell..u don't deserve intellectual respect. your brain is made of a superstitious blob of goo. imo, to believe in something so irrational, makes u hopelessly dellusional, and almost pity worthy to people who are sane naturalists.
itzahazylife 1 year ago
This video makes me absolutely sick. Please read the most highly liked comment. And, HOW IN THE UNIVERSE can you mockingly quote Sagan saying "we are made of stardust" like that's lame? You sir, are a waste of a human.
OpethNation 1 year ago
yes, follow this book written by people who speculate that the earth is only a few generations old. People who say the galaxy, in fact the whole universe is only 6000 years old. What is it that makes your Jesus any more valid than Mohamed, or Zeus? You are very wrong to think that you are right because your parents told you that you were
lbdamax 1 year ago 2
stupid scare tactics saying to either believe in our religion or you will burn in hell
when there is actual proof and science to define how we have come to be
Pengsold033 1 year ago
This rudimentary attempt at an argument is the similar to many argument made for a creator in that it is a shameless attempt to guilt people in to believing in an invisible, powerless, and imaginary entity. I think that believing in a God is not necessarily a bad thing, but when sheeple like you get a Bible in your hand (or any religious book) and start to group up religion becomes dangerous. Religion has and will always hold back significant gains in education, logic, morality and humanity.
jclark03 1 year ago 2
why fear an imaginary hell, and hope for an imaginary heaven, when we can fully embrace the reality that carl sagan so eloquently panited for all of us?
itzahazylife 1 year ago
A minute of my life was wasted watching this video.
XtQfH 1 year ago
I'm having trouble imagining there could be people who don't like Carl Sagan.
But i guess if you're still into that bronze-age mythology stuff, you might.
Carl Sagan has returned all his matter and consciousness to the cosmos, for it all to be recycled into something else. All the rest of us have left is memories and his videos and writing.
I have nothing but respect for anyone who would help us to see what a beautiful place our cosmos really is.
Cihl280777 1 year ago 2
Albert Einstein : "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
4chris10s 1 year ago
If you're trying to convert atheists, you can't threaten them with brimstone. You can't tell them to read the bible. They don't take those things seriously. It's like giving a hoodlum a book of jokes and thinking they'll straighten up after they read it. You have absolutely no idea what you're doing. =/
arnistle 1 year ago
For all you know hell could be a white lie perpetuated by a god or gods to ensure the fidelity of goodness in his creation. It not as if god would be incapable of lying for the greater good.
Mrpafla 1 year ago
of the roughly 10,000 different religions out there, lets hope you've picked the right one
shoeshiner100 1 year ago
@shoeshiner100...
I like your comment. Quoting Southpark:
Man from Crowd: "Well who was right? Who gets in to Heaven?"
Hell Director: "I'm afraid it was the MORmons. Yes, the MORmons were the correct answer."...LOL
jclark03 1 year ago
Read the God Delusion and wake up from methology and superstitious beliefs. Man created God not the converse. Not one single argument has ever stood up to make the case for God. Not one!
Ascendlocal 1 year ago
What a waste of time this video is...
BlizBob 1 year ago
Sheep go to heaven, goats go to hell.
This is a lyric from the band CAKE, of which the song is also titled. Wise words.
ScottElwood32 1 year ago
If God does exist he abandoned us a long time ago. To live with such a God is to live with an unreliable father. Religion has attacked science from the beginning. How many different Christian churches are there? You have Catholics, Mormons, Baptists, Evangelicals and many more. Which one is the right one? In the middle east you have violent wars that were started long ago because of religious differences.
rootieboy 1 year ago
I stop believing in Santa has a child.
ksjdgbfu 1 year ago
That you have a different opinion is fine with me. What makes me angry is that you choose to depict Sagan as saying things that he simply did not say, let alone believe in. Don't you think your opinion, or your "thought experiment," can stand without making things up, or pretending that two positions on religion are the same? Just because two positions are not the same as yours doesn't mean they are the same position.
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account9019 1 year ago
For the record, there is a big difference between atheist and agnostic. An atheist takes the position that no god exists, and an agnostic takes the position of not knowing.
account9019 1 year ago
Have you read any of Sagan's books at all? If you had, you would know that Sagan never denied the existence of a god. The only thing in this video that he actually says is "We are made of stardust." And he certainly never quoted Laplace, who said "I have no need for that hypothesis."
account9019 1 year ago
i study harry potter so i know how to defeat voldemort if i see him
mpbojangles 1 year ago 2
If god sends people to hell for not worshiping him, then he's a narcissistic fascist and I want nothing to do with him.
Whatever happens when we die, nobody knows -- but at least I haven't wasted my life on my knees, feeling guilty about stuff I didn't do and begged for some imaginary figure's mercy. You guys are masochists.
Carl Sagan was cool and his afterlife manifests as the admiration from his fans, which continues on long after you're gone and forgotten.
bongolongo 1 year ago
The great thing about being religious is that you don't have to develop any critical thinking skills.
Just shape the world how you are told and go tell people they are wrong because they can't see you imaginary friend.
dixon42 2 years ago 4
this is ridiculous
clownsatemymonkey 2 years ago 3
well if heaven n hell do exist, at least ill go to hell n not to heaven where douchbags like 4chris10s live haha, what a homo
bantingjor 2 years ago
4chris10s you piece of shit, YOU ARE THE ONE END UP IN HELL TRUST ME
rickzu 2 years ago
Fuck uploader with his all neighborhood :@ u fucking bunch of crap with balls instead of brain!!!
gau8989 2 years ago
Reading the latest comments gives me the impression that hell has already come. Many of these professed atheists wish death or worse to anyone who disagrees with their philosophy. I wish nothing but goodness and love for you all.
4chris10s 2 years ago
@4chris10s Doubtful. You threaten people with hell and then claim to wish nothing but good for all? Why not suppose that Sagan and Gould had a deathbed repentance like so many are wont to do? Instead, you decide they have been cast into an eternal lake of fire by an omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent being that decided that the only way to save the world (that is, by virtue of its aforesaid traits incapable of not functioning in exactly the way it intended) was to sacrifice itself to itself.
Shiftyeyedog 1 year ago
@4chris10s I see more hate and death coming from your side.
lbdamax 1 year ago
@4chris10s That's just utter bullshit, you can't just make shit up and call it fact you dumbass. I have NEVER met an atheist who wanted everyone who disagrees with him dead, thats a religious thing to do. You apparently wish eternal fire to anyone who disagrees with you, you don't want goodness and love, you fucking lying hypocrite. Maybe you should develop some critical thinking skills numbnuts, maybe then you'll have more reason than 5 year old.
SmokeWeedEveryHour 1 year ago
The bible is a BOOK, like any other it is a story... IF there is a god, and you live your life asa "good" person, I'm sure he/she/it would understand... But I'm going to stick with the FACTS, which is science.
krisescloset 2 years ago 2
Yeah, well the bible says lots of stupid shit.
gallowspole 2 years ago 8
Normally I wouldn't waste any more of my time on such a retarded video, but I just wanted the maker of it to know that he is an absolute idiot. Your beliefs are illogical and unscientific.
mistermoen 2 years ago 4
Pray doesnt help you. Because there's no any god to hear you.
hiiopy2 2 years ago 3
Oh yeah? Well, MY god says YOU'RE gonna burn forever. And you deserve it, too (cuz u don't believe me).
Asshole.
BillyBocksfuss 2 years ago 3
only when you stop believing in the fairytale of religion will you truly be able to open yourself up to the vast wealth of knowledge possessed by mankind, till then you are doomed to live in the dark ages. And think on this, thousands of gods have burst into existence and fizzled out, yours has supposedly only been around for about 6000 years... what in the world, no, the universe, makes you think that your god is the right one
corey02346 2 years ago
haha, another failed christian's antics. when will they learn religion will be the end of us?
sparks59 2 years ago 2
So...being the good Christian that you are you put false words into a scientist's mouth? Good job Satan
IgnitionFailure 2 years ago
I find it shocking when I remember some people still believe in god
sihylm0 2 years ago 2
Please follow the teachings of Christ and the bible OR ELSE YOUR GOING TO BURN IN HELL.
Sounds like a bully that use to pick on weaker kids in school if you ask me. By using threats and intimidation it would weigh against the evidence of any god existing. Surely a god does not need to scare us into submission or allow such evil attrocities to be committed in his name for his causes throughout history, does god?
woodsbull620 2 years ago 2
fucking morons, your god is a disgusting fiction. Grow up or kill yourselves, those of us with minds are sick of humanity being held back by your ludicrous fairy tales.
kerbogha44 2 years ago
I agree with carl 100% theres no god , no hell , crhist only a bounch of religius trying to stl money from your pocket
guendelman 2 years ago
The bible is fiction and I do not study fiction, I study non-fiction.
azhd210 2 years ago
"many live as enemies of the cross of Christ. Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is on earthly things." Philippians 3:18ff - sounds a bit like what Sagan espoused.
4chris10s 2 years ago
I prefer to burn forever in the hell like a free man than living an eternity in the paradise like a sheep
CopperFangunlimited 2 years ago 18
Wish granted.
4chris10s 2 years ago
you are a psycho, take a gun and go to hunt witches and make slaves because you bible said so... "justify the existence of god with the bible is like justify the existence of superman with a comic". you will burn in hell to because you dont believe in zeus or visnu. they have hells for infidels too.
CopperFangunlimited 2 years ago 4
@4chris10s
Are you the mouth of god or something? Do you purpose to speak in his name?
MelkorPT 1 year ago
@4chris10s why dont you make decisions on evidence and rationality not fear or promise of heaven cause guess what dipshit muslims have a hell to so you better be right and oh yeh lol you might want to think about where you want to spend eternity
patrickledford420 1 year ago
@4chris10s who are you to condemn someone to eternal hell? I see that as an act only "God" could do meaning he will also send you to hell. in fact, this movie condemns two people who did very much for the understanding of the human species and the cosmos, and Carl's view of the universe will forever be a billion-fold more beautiful than your petty 'christ'
lbdamax 1 year ago
i'm with you there, heaven can't truly be heaven... because in order to make it paradise, everyone must love each other, and the only way for that to happen is to remove "free will" and that doesn't sound like any heaven for me
corey02346 2 years ago
really I thought that the real objetive is make of this life a heaven, we don't need other life to be happy, we can found the beauty in nature, with awesome details and elegant facts. reality is bigger than every fantasy delusion else...
CopperFangunlimited 2 years ago
i do believe that everyone should find beauty in nature and life this one life we all have to its fullest, glory in today, regret nothing from the past and look forward to tomorrow ... i was just stating that there is a logical impossibility of heaven truly being paradise
corey02346 2 years ago
yep... Heaven in the other life, is only a possibility in a deluded mind.
CopperFangunlimited 2 years ago
what if you had no free will and happened to not know of the matter.. or if the circumstances of that world lead you to a state of existence in which anything other than love was the logical impossibility. either way I'm just thinking not suggesting anything I say is true
casey17b 2 years ago
@CopperFangunlimited Unfortunately you will have to live until the day you die.
jonesgerard 1 year ago
@jonesgerard I hope. and that don't care me. if after life exist and the hell exist, that is my responsability, I have a responsability with my acts, and I acept all that. not like believers that put all them dirt over the Jesus shoulders to be safe. to me, that doesn't have any moral and is etically incorrect. "hell in justice is better than a heaven full of hypocrisy".
CopperFangunlimited 1 year ago
Pathetic!
TheFluffyDuck 2 years ago 3
This is such an awful video.
Lpoolboy 2 years ago 2
i hate jesus freaks. this one stinks to high heaven.
rickwilding 2 years ago
Well that was a great big stinking pile of FAIL.
brianimator 2 years ago 4
Oh man, if I don't believe what you believe something bad will happen to me. I'm convinced!
Looking forward to the remake in 2011 -- oh wait, the world will be over by then, right? Good luck with that.
Stromko 2 years ago
First of all Carl Sagan didn't want to believe in the truth of life. He wanted to know the truth of life by direct observation, experimentation / investigation, and developing a theory based upon measured data and experience. Not conceptual, hypothetical, fictional data.
VerseInfinitum 2 years ago 2
What's funny about this video is that Sagan never considdered himself an atheist nor denied God ever existed.
In a 1996 interview, Sagan told Joel Achenbach: "An atheist has to know more than I know. An atheist is someone who knows there is no God."
HustlinFlo 2 years ago 2
Carl Sagan did much more for humanity than Jesus ever did.
VanKlaunch 2 years ago 29
@VanKlaunch Did Sagan save any souls?
jonesgerard 1 year ago
@jonesgerard
Sagan is indirectly responsible for developments that will save billions upon billions of life. Propulsion systems that will take us across the universe. Computers that, one of which. will make every computer currently on Earth (super or otherwise) combined look like a cheap children's toy. Technology that will grow enough food to feed even more billions. Renewable, efficient, power sources that can easily support humanity. And efficient terraforming. JUST TO NAME A FEW!!
tskasa1 1 year ago
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@jonesgerard
You haven't even proven the soul so your entire argument is essentially an argument from ignorance. The burden of proof is with you. You've yet to present any at all. So you have no case.
"Unfortunately you will have to live until the day you die."
And this is a bad thing, because???
tskasa1 1 year ago
@jonesgerard I don't think Sagan "saved" any souls, whatever that means. I assume it means something like: [ When a deity removes a hell-bound soul from the fiery path in which the said deity instigated in the first place.] Is this correct? One analogy I've experienced was when I was a child, I'd "torture" G.I. Joes with magnifying glasses. But I was so merciful that I stopped torturing them when they "surrendered" to me. God can save me from the hell he created, but Sagan saved me from God.
VanKlaunch 1 year ago
@VanKlaunch "God can save me from the hell he created, but Sagan saved me from God."
Hell is what we create in our own life with our own choices.
God saved me from my hell.
Sagan couldn't save his own butt.
jonesgerard 1 year ago
@VanKlaunch I find it interesting how atheists attack Jesus, not Moheamed or Buddah. That should arouse suspicion in the atheists logic but it doesn't.
Its a blind spot.
jonesgerard 1 year ago
@jonesgerard
Actually, we do. I argue against Islam all the time. We don't attack Buddah, because Buddah is not a God. Buddah is revered within Buddihsm, not as a God, but an extremely enlightened (i.e. wise) perfectly human being. Something we CAN become as well. Furthermore, Buhddism does not mandate a God, in its raw form, Buhddism is a philosophy that may act as a catalyst to religion. But it is not one in and of itself. So there is no need to.
tskasa1 1 year ago
@tskasa1 Actually the answer is Buddah doesn't threaten your ego.
Attacking Islam is like attacking Catholicism.
Neither are God.
jonesgerard 1 year ago
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@jonesgerard
"Actually the answer is Buddah doesn't threaten your ego."
Actually, no religion threatens my ego. I don't have much of an ego at all. I am just realistic.
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