It's funny that skeptics insult Lee Strobel for saying that Jesus rose from the dead, but they don't have anything to refute the things he said in his books.
Yes, it's true! And using the same system if you use alphanumerics there is no coincidence that the words 'LEE STROBEL are transformed into "FAT and STUPID'!
@mycatistigger this is too intellectually embarrassing for some GOD works in mysterious ways a mysterious code in that word and name =26 G7 O15 D4 using just simple alphanumerics there is no coincidence that there is that many letters in the English alphabet and letters make words we should trust GOD's word that name can be assured don't forget oh yeah JESUS code =74 the first and last numbers of GOD something is 100% for sure 2nd verse 'Good News' sounds better in song love!!!
The beer in hell is probably "Falls City Beer" ...and just to antagonize the residents, it's placed slightly out of reach and they never even get that horrible brand.
Hmm, hangovers for angels? I doubt it as that wouldn't be very
"heaven-like." ;) On a serious note, (which I sometimes DO attempt), no telling what heaven WILL be like and as for hell, the only real description is saying that it's the place of "gnashing of teeth."
@daisie09876 - So why would Statan behave like that? he was an angel once, so we have to assume God put some care into his creation, why do you suppose God made him so evil? On theo hter hand... why does the devil want people to burn in Hell? Wouldn't he be more sucessful going up to people and saying, 'Worship me rather than God and you'll go to my version of heaven, which is like Gods only you are allowed to drink beer and have lots of sex!"
@mycatistigger God doesn't "make" someone evil. He gives us all choices. We can choose to live an empty life as well, rejecting a connected method of living that allows us to avoid worry and senseless goals that only earn us worthless prizes...or we can experience some of heaven here on earth. Who's to say there isn't beer in heaven?
@dutchpuppy2 - God doesn't make someone evil. So he isn't all powerful then? Or he is all powerful and he wanted people to ignore and turn against him? Which is it?
Beer in heaven? What about hangovers? Do angels get hangovers?
Under the dark sky, shines the moonlight. Blessed by Satan, I dwell within depths of hell. Powers of the devil defeating the cowardly light. The throne of god shall crumble down. The earth will be a kingdom of demons. Where life and indulgence shall rule. Those who worship holy evil will be doomed. The white sheep shall be destroyed. Rendered to pieces by the claws of Satan. A black star shines over a mighty new king. The paths to hell are clear. The lord of the pit will rule!
However, keep in mind that in today's courts, "non-factual evidence" like eye witness accounts is seen as valid and people can be sent to a life in prison (or to execution, if we're talking about Texas) bassed upon it. All this remains as a 50-50 for each individual. We each have the chance to make our own choice.
@dutchpuppy2 but its not eye witness accounts, its a 2000 year old book that says there are eye witness accounts. If somebody came forward and said i was there, I saw it, it would be different then reading 2000 years later that somebody claims there was a person who said they saw it.
Its just not factual, I have no problem with belief, but I was sent here by a person who said that this proves god, and it most certainly does not, not even close. It only proves some people are gullible.
@SkateLaneWilliams There are many books older than 2000 years old that are accepted by various academic communities. It would be better to judge a book by its merits. When you become older, will all young people ignore your opinion because you're "old?"
@dutchpuppy2 But something that isnt proven sholud not be expected to be believed. If I cant prove unicorns you wont think, "well, they still might exist"
the book being old isnt my problem. its the fact that it claims to be true when none of it can be verified. Especially since it was written in a time when science was pretty much non-existent and legends and fairy tales were our only real form of relaxing entertainment, then I see no reason why the bible should be taken as seriously as it is
@SkateLaneWilliams One atheist, an archeologist, Sir William Ramsay of Oxford University, got fed up with the number of places and people mentioned in the Bible and no where else. He decided he could prove the Bible was a bunch of fairy tales and decided to investigate specifically, the Book of Acts. If you look him up on google, make sure you find the archeologist (as there is another Sir William Ramsay) and then read what his search led to, if you don't mind.
@dutchpuppy2 -Is there any modern knowledge or information anywhere in the bible. Is there any geography outside of that known at the time? Is there any mention of any theories outside of the time? Is there any technology mentioned outsie of the time? Is there anything remotely feasible mentioned that the writers of that time wouldn't know about? The fact that the bibel mentions some places that existed is no more proof than New York existing being proof of spiderman's existence.
@mycatistigger One interesting idea is the (at that time unique) idea of washing one's hands before eating. This was a Jewish thing. It makes me think that maybe the idea of germs was recognized long before microscopes, medicine, etc.??
@dutchpuppy2 - Oh I'm sorry does it mention microbes in the Bible? Does it mention germs? No it doesn't. Nor is hand washing a 'Jewish thing' as it was practiced by Greeks (and so quite possibly adopted by the Jews as a result of Hellenic influence) and many other peoples. "And a handmaid bare water for the hands in a goodly golden ewer, and...And a grave dame bare wheaten bread and set it by him " (Book VII, Odyssey)
Atheism requires death and struggle in order to function. Survival of the Fittest means the weaker must die. Even the strongest then die and go into nothingness. Christianity teaches that death is an enemey and that we were meant to live forever in Paradise. As a result of sin, death intruded for a short time until we are restored through ressurrection in Christ. Regardless of your position that is what these 2 beliefs teach. I simply enjoy the way mine sounds more.
The evidence that there is a god is all around you, open your eyes. Start there. Now if you can't get past that then you will never know the truth. Jesus is the Christ, not us or our reason.
Thats five effing stupid things some christian said.
Holy shit this is beyond stupid.
Oh yeah, anything in the bible isn't historical evidence. I quit trying as soon as somebody quotes the bible. That would be like somebody quoting harry Potter.
But it's not to bad, because he's not really claiming proof of god. He's claiming chirstianity is more credible then other religons. While that may be true or false, i don't care, all religons to date are ignorant.
@SkateLaneWilliams I think you missed his points. He is trying to show that Jesus was a real person and that eye witness accounts reinforce this. This is too short of a clip to compare all religions. He mentions talking to a Muslim friend in reference to the explosion of the spread of Christianity and the existence of witnesses. I think you "turned off" early on in this clip, which is easy to do. It isn't too clear what his overall point or points are, other than what I saw and wrote.
@dutchpuppy2 But a written statement saying that 500 people saw jesus resurected, doesn't mean that 500 people actually saw it. They aren't alive to verify this, its just written in a book. There is no proof they actually saw him, I hate it when people try to use non-factual evidence to prove something. None of this can be proven, it could all easily just be a story.
Lee is using the logic that quite a few people saw Jesus. Several parts of the Bible were written within a few years of the crucifiction. If stories were untrue, people from that time could have written that it wasn't true. No one did. This is from Lee S' point of view. From other's point of view, it's only non-factual evidence.
@SkateLaneWilliams - Anything having to do with Jesus is going to be what I call a "50-50." There is evidence for it and against it. For example, Jesus' resurection can neither be proved or disproved.
In a court of law, if somebody is accused of muder, its not a 50-50. Either they did it, or they didn't. if it CANNOT be proven, then they didn't do it. Thats it, they don't get half of a life sentence because the defense cannot disprove the case.
Either the stories of jesus are proven, or they didn't happen. Thats the only way that makes logical sense.
Christianity says that jesus was the son of god. They can either prove he was, or he wasn't.
@SkateLaneWilliams-You haven't understood my point. I'm saying that someone accused of murder can be convicted by witnesses' testimony...even if they are wrong. Why is that? It is because eye witnesses count as evidence. If no physical proof exists, this is especially horrible as it is not just. "Either the stories of jesus are proven..." well, this is where the idea of 50-50 happens. No one can prove them nor can anyone disprove them.
this fag needs to stop SAYING that "oh, there are records, oh there is old evidence" and SHOW the god damn evidence... This guy (Lee Strobel) is a complete DUMBASS
If 500 people saw Jesus after the resurrection - that would be very credible.
BUT, if someone merely wrote that 500 people saw Jesus, then there is a huge problem with credibility?
Just because someone wrote that story and that it is included in the Bible, does not make it accurate or true. Where are the writings of these people? Why did no historian write about this?
@rationalanarchy We could debate this forever and get nowhere, so I will end it here by sending you to, "Habermas " Historicity of Resurrection 2 of 11 Apologetics" video.
@rationalanarchy They were written only 40 years after the fact. That is an upshot, not something against the Bible. So I suppose that you would refute Josephus' writings which were even longer after and which seems to give the claims of the gospels at least the respect of being possible, and the facts surrounding as being correct, even if he did not believe in Christ. The gospels are confirmed and people who were alive at the time of what happened made many copies of them.
@rationalanarchy The fact is, Jesus did live, die and rise again. And there were witnesses of him. Much of the New Testament was written by men who were with him while he was alive and saw him alive after his resurrection. They were not trying to write Jesus in order to fulfill the prophecies, they only wrote the truth to show how he did. End of story.
@rationalanarchy You are proving my original point that it is not about what you are most exposed to. I just "happen" (through the work of the Holy Spirit) to believe that Christ is the truth. As to your point about Christ being no better than any other: He is true though all the world be liars. Just because people follow false teachers does not mean that he is any less true.
@rationalanarchy The point is that in predominantly Muslim nations Christianity is spreading fast. I think that people are exposed to Islam more in those countries, and yet they come to the truth. Not because they are exposed to it more but because of the work of the spirit. though I do think that a lot of exposure to a certain religion is a factor.
@espyd21c Clearly you know nothing about Christianity. Other religions such as Islam may all have elements of the truth in them, but they are tools of the devil to deceive people into following others. When you say that Christ is not unique you show your ignorance. There are ancient prophecies spoken and written of him, telling of his life, his death and his resurrection, where he would be born, his escape to Egypt etc. How many pagan beliefs tell you to love your enemy? I will pray for you.
@DrEinstein100 what prophecies do you reffer to? And I can think of a few pagan religions that say love your enemy and don't turn around and say an eye for an eye
@espyd21c There are so many prophecies of Jesus and his times. Isaiah 9:5-7, Deuteronomy 18:18, Daniel 9:24-26, Genesis 3:15, Genesis 28:14, 2 Samuel 7:12-16, Isaiah 11:1-5, Isaiah 40:3-5, Isaiah 7:14, Jeremiah 31:15 and many more. The old Testament is filled with prophecies concerning him. How about a religion where its author has risen from the dead and reigns in power, in heaven? But the most unique thing about it is that it is the proven truth. All that remains is for us to accept Him.
@DrEinstein100 only isaiah t 714 is specic about anything but the hebrew word translated as virgin actualy means young woman or maiden, the ancient hebrew word bethulah specificaly means virgin or untouched woman. and many religions that predate christianity have a savior who died and resurrected to heaven the most common are zoroastrianism and the cult of horus which originated the terms lamb of god and son of man
IT IS NOT MISPLACED FAITH.. u know what leave us CHRISTIANS alone kaay???? cus clearly you serve the lucifer.... its US that arent going to burn in HELL when the rapture hits.. it will be YOU, so think again of what your going around saying.
My basis is the Bible, I dont lose cause God gives me victory through all. YOU lose cause you failed to change my mind cause theres no eveidence for your claims. Case closed haha. :)
Hell accounts are NOT uncommon. They simply aren't reported as often. In fact, the former Atheist, Howard Storm, is one of the best examples that these 'rare' Hell experiences exist.
Myth: Most people who experience NDEs ultimately dismiss them, or adopt a New Age belief system.
Fact: Most people who experience NDEs ultimately convert to Christianity.
"The reactions caused by "near death experiences" are numerous. The visions are nothing more than vivid dreams as the brain begins to shut down."
If NDEs are nothing other than "vivid dreams", brought on by dying brain functions, how do you explain reports made by people who were dead for hours, and sometimes, days, who still have these experiences?
*everything. I won't respond to replies anymore, but waste your time if you want. You will never make a Christian sto believing in the one true God. So stop trying :)
Disasters happen because it's Gods will. He is in control. Im not gonna waste anymore time on this subject matter. Not to be rude but yet yet honest, those who dont believe in God and His ressurection go to hell. Youll believe me when you die. POint Blank Period. Im done. I dont care if you reply. Im happy .
WATCH HIS WHOLE CASE FOR CHRIST AND YOU GUYS WILL UNDERSTAND.
This is only one small part of it. You think yall feel bad for me but actually I feel bad for yall, cause I know Im going to heavan 100 percent. The rest of yall...well I' just sorry. I pity yall. oh well have a nice day :) God Bless.
It does. There cases of people dying and coming back to life. Some were CHristian some weren't. It wasnt fake at all. The Christian ones said they accended, they saw Heaven, a beautiful places, with many angels. The non Christian that had their life taken away for a short time then came back to life said they decended down, heard piercing screams, bad smells, and saw the Lake of Fire. I forgot the name of the video, but Im being honest. Not trying to make anything up. Its real.
Well they are delusional. Since they were a christian they were already familiar with what they should of seen. Then they built their delusion around what they were expecting to see. This is called the power of suggestion. All the claims of people going to hell and heaven, already knew what to expect before the supposedly went there.
Show me a case of a person that has no knowledge of Christianity, or their beliefs that supposedly died and when to hell, and can describe it as in the bible.
Its not scietific, its a unique creation by God. Wheres proof of evolution of the BB theory, oh yeah, there is none.
point blank period. Believe what you please I don't care, just wait til God comes, you'll believe then. Sadly you don't believe now, oh well. Have a nice day til then.
ROFL! "Unfair advantage in the market place of spiritual ideas" Bwahahaha! This guy is such a tool. Christians will just eat up anything to perpetuate their fantasy.
This guy is such a salesman. Funny shit how he just glosses over everything so smoothly and comes to his conclusions without ANYTHING backing it up at all. The brainwashed must just eat this shit up..
Zero references from the period? Tacitus (a Roman Historian), The Jews own Talumd, Josephus (a Roman Historian), two independent references to the earthquake and darkness over the land...non-biblical references are just a tiny piece of the picture. If you are really seeking truth, you'll find it.
THye found pieces of the ark where it landed. And God made the earth, when's the last time a big explosion happened and something beautiful came as a result of it? 9/11 would have looked very beautiful if that theory existed.
No they haven't. And the big bang theory does not explain how all the matter in the universe existed. It only explains why it is constantly expanding. And the first law of thermodynamics states that matter cannot be created nor destroyed meaning that all the matter in the universe simply always existed.
Wow, this guy is using the bible to confirm what the bible says? Intresting. The only (questionable) historical reference to Jesus is the execution. Although the timeline contradicts claims from the bible, but thats another story.
Well if they all came at the same time, from all around the world with no communication with each other than I would consider it. But if they all came one after another within the religion, then I would just say that the writers were full of shit. Also, there is many gospels that never made it into the bible.
Your right! The Bible that we have today is what the early church fathers wanted you too read. More than 30 gospels from around the same time were not included. There was much debate as to whether the letter of Jude or the book of Revelation were to be included..they almost didn't make it.
I find it so funny that Christians love to claim that atheist were never true Christians yet they know more of the bible, and christian history than they know.
God is real. I think its funny how poeple don't see the wind but we know and feel it's there, so we believe it. yet when it comes to God, people doubt. lolz mindless.
Exactly we can feel the wind. We cannot feel god. We know what causes wind, we know it is there. People doubt because there is a god because there is no empirical evidence for his existence.
If you are a Christian, you know what it's like to have the Holy Spirit move within you, it's amazing. But you have to believe in order to know what Im saying. The evidence of God is this entire world and everything within it. He hand made it. :)
many people see mass sighting of jesus...or muhammed or, buddah or what ever...is what you have been conditioned..with...and always funny the sighting of jesus are always white king alexander icon look alikes,.,,hmmmm and yes the bible is edited very much , some kings at teh time or priests in power even added there own bits...and we all know bible is a book of books..that why the flood and history is so off..most of it is stolen from egyptina and summerian scripts...
Uhm... man wrote it, for starters. It's in hundreds of languages. There has been councils that have omitted words, BOOKS, all by what they wanted to have put in there. Proof? are you serious???
if you can speak 3 languages(doubt it) find a portion of the bible and translate it to another language. then translate it to the 3rd language. then translate it back to english. the final translation will be much much different than the first one. the bible continues to be edited every generation to make it "reader friendly". otherwise there are plenty of webistes that can show you these translation errors over several language transfers
and science never claims to know everything, thats what its about finding the truth, never claimns to know all..religion on the other hand claims to know all with no evidence..mmmm
im god we are god, you dont need a church or pray...because we are,as everything is..so you dont need to give money to churches, religion is the prison for the seekers of wisdom...so thru the dusty books down and read all books...seek science and knowledge of self
Ok but when has a massive amount of people all account for seeing the same thing?....many times...thru out history...dosnt mean it is the same thing,depending on there geography people will see what ever religion has moulded them to percieve,..my arguments are not wishy washy..my ones are based on fact..your are based on acient book that has been edited more times than a starwars movie,
its just a book written by humans,,all escoteric..and the myths are based around histroical accounts..funny how now people are thinking they are literal and making money off it haha...how the elders would laugh...
many people see many differnt gods, beings thinsg when they have out of body depending on what religion they have been brainwashed,.,,,funny also how the jesus some see is the blue eye white skin jesus painted in the form of alexander haha..
Ok but when has a massive amount of people all account for seeing the same thing? And your arguments are very wishy washy, it seems as if you just blurt out anything you've heard about Jesus Christ.
oh i agree this is just one of those dates made up by the church as with everything else..i mean i dont care about the date...its all bull..but the jesus story is an obvious copy...even some of the prayes we say in church are ripped off straight from acient egyptian hyms...anyway..
Can you please explain why its an obvious copy and what prayers are taken from ancient Egyptian societies? I'll be glad for you're response it will be something interesting to look into.
this is a dated used to signify him..not juts there 16 other gods born of thsi date..22nd or 25th,,,they all have 12 desciples...perform miracles..are crusified,,,and rise again....
attis...born 25th,,,,krishna 25th,,,dionysus 25th,,,all born of vigin..i could go on..there are many many gods born on this date...some even crusified..all predate jesus often by 10000000s of years...jesus is fake
so do you suppose people including athiest and little children that have had out of body experiences are all lying about Jesus. millions of them. do the other so called gods make prophecies that come true and are still coming true. i could give you specifics out of the bible that are happening today
do you sin? is there right and wrong? with no God there is no right and wrong because it would all be matter of opinion. no one knows the date of his birth but it was given the 25th. you say many gods predate jesus by 100000000 of years. do you realize the human population problem with that many years. we have 6 billion now and only about 200 million around the time of Christ. so you see you have a population problem. be aware of the lies to stop you from believing. God bless
saiah 52:13 "...he will be raised and lifted up....". Notice that Isaiah 52:13 did not say "....he will be RESURRECTED and lifted up...." Not even once, did the Old Testament predict for the foretold Servant (Jesus) to be raised to GOD Almighty after death. There absolutely no mention of any sort of resurrection in the Bible's Old Testament what so ever.
"A righteous man may have many troubles, but the LORD delivers him from them all; he protects all his bones, not one of them will be broken. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 34:19-20)"
As these verses don't even seem to be talking about the Messiah or any crucifixion, but assuming that they did, notice how Psalm 34:20 says that GOD Almighty will protect "all his bones". So, not even an inch from his bones will be damaged according to the Scriptures..means Jesus NEVER got crucified! Wake up !!!
The Bible confirms that Jesus is not the unique son of God!
"And thou [Moses] shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my first born." (Exodus 4:22),
"He [Solomon] shall build a house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father and he shall be my son." (II Samuel 7:13-14),
and "Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God"(Luke3: 38).
This guy is making a bunch of claims but I don't see the actual evidence he's talking about.
Just like he says early on "anyone can claim they are the son of god." Anyone can make claims about anything, it's the evidence that backs that up, and this man gives none.
If we can accept 1 book as the only evidence when there is no other evidence to be found, then we must also accept Lord of the Rings as a historical record and orcs and dragons must be real. The Bible is just comparable fiction.
"If we can accept 1 book as the only evidence when there is no other evidence to be found, then we must also accept Lord of the Rings as a historical record and orcs and dragons must be real. The Bible is just comparable fiction." (Domidoolalala)
He was a genius. It's interesting though, so many fans of the Ring epic are not aware that J.R.R. Tolkien was himself a devout Christian. So much of the Ring trilogy is in essence the gospel story. In any case, I like the characters and imagery very much too. Come to think of it I think I'll re watch the DVD today. Thanks for inspiring me!
Oh I know that he was religious - most people of his era were. Though he denied that LoTR was was a Christian parable like his friend CS Lewis' obvious parable with the Narnia series. The DvD's are pretty good especially the first one - but still can't compare to the book! hehe
i love the fact that christians are now pretending that they have historical proof of their stories. this is not the case. toddtyszka, this gentleman in the video seems very nice,however he is not being accurate whwn he talks about the "5 E's" as proof. especiaaly when he says there is documentation from 24-36 months after jesus' death. that is impossible because no one knows the supposed date of his death. also, just because these stories are written down does not make them 100% accurate
If only the world would receive Christ...He is the Prince of Peace and would heal the world's wounds. Unfortunately people keep rejecting Him and making blasphemous and inaccurate claims about Him. Well, God's Word must come true so really the world is going to continue to be as it is until Christ returns.
Early eyewitnesses? Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are never directly connected to the gospels until Ireneaus does so in around 180 A.D. That's almost a century after they were supposedly written. The Jesus Paul preached was most likely a mystical figure patterned after other Mystery Religions popular at the time. It was the author of "Mark" who, using concepts out of the Old Testament, who put flesh on his bones and made a biography around him.
Anyone who is on the borderline of becoming a Christian (from whatever else): the NT is not a reliable, historical document. Is it, important, fascinating, worth reading? Yes.
Once you get past apologetical rhetoric (and seductive but empty reasoning such as Pascal's wager) I suggest that you'll find the NT not to be inerrant; that the OT prophecies were all retrofitted; that the subject of its writings is not as well attested as claimed; and Jesus is a composite of Jewish and pagan figures.
All throughout the Bible, it seems that God's solution to every problem involves death and blood. He can't even forgive sin unless there's blood dripping somewhere.
"And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."(Hebrews 9:22)
By the way, are YOU able to forgive sin without somebody bleeding? so Wouldn't you expect the creator of the universe do the same? if not Doesn't this indicate that you're morally superior to Biblegod?
I felt there was always this strange inconsistency over whether jesus claimed to be the son of god. Did anyone check the hebrew?
I've seen passages with translations for his answer to that question ranging all the way from Yes to I'm not telling to no.
Aside from that, Virgin births happened before Jesus and there were many other people around at the time that performed miracles/rose from the dead. Also what's up with the glirifying of the Virgin Mary? She had another kid and therefore sex.
i would never put anyone elses beliefs down. but it is so nice to hear someone talk of my beliefs and back it up. though there will be doubters and thats your right, but don't put us down for ours thank you. and thank you sir for your information. God Bless you
It is stated quite specifically in the Old Testament that the Messiah will be of the line of David. If Jesus is the son of God, then he's not of the line of David, and therefore cannot be the Messiah.
I've always regarded Revelations as being a bit suspicious, warning about the 'False Prophets'. Surely the false prophets themselves have the most to gain: by warning people about false gods, they secure people into the false faith. Perhaps one of Jesus' (younger) brothers was the Messiah?
Jesus was NOT of the line of David. JOSEPH was of the line of David, Mary was of the line of JUDAH. If Jesus' father was God, then he's not of the line of David, but of the line of Judah (check your Bible (Luke and Matthew). If Joseph isn't his biological father, then he can't be descended from David, and, as the prophecies say that the Messiah will be of the 'Line of David', then Jesus can't be the Messiah. He's just another Prophet (so maybe Islam has it right? According to the Bible, anyway).
The gospel of Matthew presents Jesus as the king. The geneology in Matthew follows Joseph's line which includes David. Jesus was the legal son of Joseph which brings Him into the legal rights of a child and yet, His Father is still God and not Joseph. Brilliant isn't it? Nobody but God could've dreamt it up. I will pray for you, "welshathiest".
About the 'Execution', as he put it. It's interesting to note that the British Medical Journal came to the conclusion that Jesus wouldn't have been dead, if the accounts of his treatment at the hands of the Romans are accurate. It's just not enough time for the body to drown in its own fluid.
I love how he only takes the Biblical account as 'historical', and then ignores conflicting evidence. The earliest Christians did not believe that Jesus was divine, just the Messiah. He can't be both.
No, he wouldn't have been. The biblical account says that Jesus was on the cross for about nine hours. This isn't enough time for sufficient levels of fluid to fill the lungs in order to cause asphyxiation. A more likely scenario is that Jesus was rendered unconscious due to low blood pressure (from the amount of blood being exuded from the nail wounds. We know from Flavius Josephus' accounts that it was possible to survive crucifixion, if the wounds were treated.
The earliest Christians (the Nazerenes) didn't believe in Jesus' divinity, and said that Joseph was his father (you'll notice that Mark, John and Corinthians makes no mention of Jesus' divinity or a virgin birth, and these are the earliest books of the Bible (although even the earliest (Corinthians) was written at abour 60CE)).
So let's talk about objectivity: you're hardly objective yourself. If you believe that Jesus is God, then you've already made up your mind.
You make so many assumptions! And yes, I've made up my mind but that's because I have a very real relationship with my Creator who obviously exists. You can deny your Creator all you want but that's a foolish choice (Psalm 53:1).
No, it's not assumptions. It's backed by historical accounts written by reliable (ie objective) sources. The Nazerene beliefs are well documented. Look them up some time.
You can quote the Bible all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that you are also biased.
Show me proof the "earliest Christians" didn't believe in Jesus' divinity. That's not what the Bible says. The earliest Christians were the apostles, disciples, the first people he ministered to which were not just "Nazarenes." When he went to Nazareth, his home town, they had little faith in him, so what? That doesn't mean no one believed in His divinity there. And I'm biased? Look at you?!
Jesus' story isn't really that unique. The Babylonians had a 'god incarnate'. Jesus' story is identical to that of Mithras (a roman sun god who predates Christianity by a few hundred years). It's not really that surprising, as all the stories about him being the 'son of God' were added when early Christianity was combined with the Pagan faiths in the 4th century (it's not just an idea in 'The Da Vinci Code', it really did happen).
You really are clueless on this subject, aren't you? Mithras was AFTER Christ and was nothing like Him. I have a debate on this topic called "Did Jesus Rise From The Dead." Check it out. While you're at it, check out Wikipedia (or do some real research) and look up Mithras.
Actually, the worship of Mithras originated in Persia, several centuries before the earliest Christians, and only later became intergrated into the Roman Empire. The two faiths (The Mysteries of Mithras, and the Nazerenes) were both present in the Roman Empire, and then became merged into a single faith (Early Christianity). The two stories are identical to each other, and there have been numerous 'gods incarnate' throughout the course of Human history.
According to Dr. Gary Habermas, there was no resurrected god before Christ. Mithras was around 250 AD and that is the earliest. This is in my video "Did Jesus Rise From The Dead."
So Mithras was around 250 CE? Well that IS interesting, as one of the earliest temples to Mithras dates from the middle of the 2nd century. Does that mean that they could see into the future?
Mithras wasn't a resurrected god until much later and the first time that showed up is said to be around 250 AD. You have proof otherwise? Like I said, there were no resurrected gods before Christ. Give it up or show some proof.
Mithras' resurrection was remembered every year with much celebration
Mithras worship involved a sacramental meal of bread and water, or bread and wine, which was symbolic of the body and blood of the bull sacred to the god
Even if Christ did exist, die, was resurrected, ascended into heaven, and is the Son of God, how do we know that anyone today is saved? The miracles described in the book of Acts aren't happening all the time. And any miracle that does happen such as someone recovering from cancer can be dismissed by a skeptic as a coincidence.
Lee Strobel is a great soldier of Christ! I was watching here on youtube a video, Smart Atheist questioning strong things about Jesus, but the Christian that they asked wree weak with knowledge Christian.. i would like those athist asking Mr.Strobel, 4 sure will not be the same panorama!
RE: Ur technique-- "Begging the Q" is what U did here. U say:
"... only begotten" (Greek-"Monogenes") in reference to Christ (e.g. 1 Jn 1:14) indicates that as the Son of God He was the sole representative of the Being and character of the One who sent Him."
Mr. Strobel was raised as a Lutheran and became a Christian only after separating from it. One of my relatives went through the identical experience. I attended a Lutheran church for 8 years - the message of salvation was NEVER offered. 'Nuff said.
If jesus existed in "in the beginning" (John 1.1), his life didn't begin at birth. If his life didn't begin at birth, it didn't end at "death". If he is alive today, nothing was sacrificed. Your religion is a shell game.
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bigmike5989 1 month ago in playlist case
It's funny that skeptics insult Lee Strobel for saying that Jesus rose from the dead, but they don't have anything to refute the things he said in his books.
bigmike5989 1 month ago in playlist case
Yes, it's true! And using the same system if you use alphanumerics there is no coincidence that the words 'LEE STROBEL are transformed into "FAT and STUPID'!
mycatistigger 11 months ago
Whatis unique about Lee Strobel?
No-one in the world is as fat and stupid as he is.
He won the Nobel prize for being fat and stupid.
At school he was voted 'person most likely to be fat and stupid.'
At the Oscars, he was nominated for ‘best supporting fat and stupid person’.
His address is ’14 fat and stupid parade.’
His phone number is 0011-44-FAT+STUPID
His car numberplate is ‘FT STPD 1’
mycatistigger 1 year ago
misterdeeeep 1 year ago
@mycatistigger he's fat and stupid.
xSpencerWxRFCx 4 weeks ago
we turn on ourselves we have the the god given choice to do right or wrong u choose. i rather listen to gods word than any body else.
unthinkingmajority10 1 year ago
Will there be beer in Hell?
mycatistigger 1 year ago
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@mycatistigger Let me know what you find out ;)
AsaphProject 10 months ago
Say what? Like I said, "choice" is involved.
The beer in hell is probably "Falls City Beer" ...and just to antagonize the residents, it's placed slightly out of reach and they never even get that horrible brand.
Hmm, hangovers for angels? I doubt it as that wouldn't be very
"heaven-like." ;) On a serious note, (which I sometimes DO attempt), no telling what heaven WILL be like and as for hell, the only real description is saying that it's the place of "gnashing of teeth."
dutchpuppy2 1 year ago
@daisie09876 - So why would Statan behave like that? he was an angel once, so we have to assume God put some care into his creation, why do you suppose God made him so evil? On theo hter hand... why does the devil want people to burn in Hell? Wouldn't he be more sucessful going up to people and saying, 'Worship me rather than God and you'll go to my version of heaven, which is like Gods only you are allowed to drink beer and have lots of sex!"
mycatistigger 1 year ago
@mycatistigger God doesn't "make" someone evil. He gives us all choices. We can choose to live an empty life as well, rejecting a connected method of living that allows us to avoid worry and senseless goals that only earn us worthless prizes...or we can experience some of heaven here on earth. Who's to say there isn't beer in heaven?
dutchpuppy2 1 year ago
@dutchpuppy2 - God doesn't make someone evil. So he isn't all powerful then? Or he is all powerful and he wanted people to ignore and turn against him? Which is it?
Beer in heaven? What about hangovers? Do angels get hangovers?
mycatistigger 1 year ago
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TheDarkLordLucifer 1 year ago
Oops, typo...based*
dutchpuppy2 1 year ago
However, keep in mind that in today's courts, "non-factual evidence" like eye witness accounts is seen as valid and people can be sent to a life in prison (or to execution, if we're talking about Texas) bassed upon it. All this remains as a 50-50 for each individual. We each have the chance to make our own choice.
dutchpuppy2 1 year ago
@dutchpuppy2 but its not eye witness accounts, its a 2000 year old book that says there are eye witness accounts. If somebody came forward and said i was there, I saw it, it would be different then reading 2000 years later that somebody claims there was a person who said they saw it.
Its just not factual, I have no problem with belief, but I was sent here by a person who said that this proves god, and it most certainly does not, not even close. It only proves some people are gullible.
SkateLaneWilliams 1 year ago
@SkateLaneWilliams There are many books older than 2000 years old that are accepted by various academic communities. It would be better to judge a book by its merits. When you become older, will all young people ignore your opinion because you're "old?"
dutchpuppy2 1 year ago
@dutchpuppy2 But something that isnt proven sholud not be expected to be believed. If I cant prove unicorns you wont think, "well, they still might exist"
the book being old isnt my problem. its the fact that it claims to be true when none of it can be verified. Especially since it was written in a time when science was pretty much non-existent and legends and fairy tales were our only real form of relaxing entertainment, then I see no reason why the bible should be taken as seriously as it is
SkateLaneWilliams 1 year ago
@SkateLaneWilliams One atheist, an archeologist, Sir William Ramsay of Oxford University, got fed up with the number of places and people mentioned in the Bible and no where else. He decided he could prove the Bible was a bunch of fairy tales and decided to investigate specifically, the Book of Acts. If you look him up on google, make sure you find the archeologist (as there is another Sir William Ramsay) and then read what his search led to, if you don't mind.
dutchpuppy2 1 year ago
@dutchpuppy2 -Is there any modern knowledge or information anywhere in the bible. Is there any geography outside of that known at the time? Is there any mention of any theories outside of the time? Is there any technology mentioned outsie of the time? Is there anything remotely feasible mentioned that the writers of that time wouldn't know about? The fact that the bibel mentions some places that existed is no more proof than New York existing being proof of spiderman's existence.
mycatistigger 1 year ago
@mycatistigger One interesting idea is the (at that time unique) idea of washing one's hands before eating. This was a Jewish thing. It makes me think that maybe the idea of germs was recognized long before microscopes, medicine, etc.??
dutchpuppy2 1 year ago
@dutchpuppy2 - Oh I'm sorry does it mention microbes in the Bible? Does it mention germs? No it doesn't. Nor is hand washing a 'Jewish thing' as it was practiced by Greeks (and so quite possibly adopted by the Jews as a result of Hellenic influence) and many other peoples. "And a handmaid bare water for the hands in a goodly golden ewer, and...And a grave dame bare wheaten bread and set it by him " (Book VII, Odyssey)
mycatistigger 1 year ago
Atheism requires death and struggle in order to function. Survival of the Fittest means the weaker must die. Even the strongest then die and go into nothingness. Christianity teaches that death is an enemey and that we were meant to live forever in Paradise. As a result of sin, death intruded for a short time until we are restored through ressurrection in Christ. Regardless of your position that is what these 2 beliefs teach. I simply enjoy the way mine sounds more.
AsaphProject 1 year ago
The evidence that there is a god is all around you, open your eyes. Start there. Now if you can't get past that then you will never know the truth. Jesus is the Christ, not us or our reason.
DrEinstein100 1 year ago
The five Es....
Thats five effing stupid things some christian said.
Holy shit this is beyond stupid.
Oh yeah, anything in the bible isn't historical evidence. I quit trying as soon as somebody quotes the bible. That would be like somebody quoting harry Potter.
But it's not to bad, because he's not really claiming proof of god. He's claiming chirstianity is more credible then other religons. While that may be true or false, i don't care, all religons to date are ignorant.
SkateLaneWilliams 1 year ago
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dutchpuppy2 1 year ago
@SkateLaneWilliams I think you missed his points. He is trying to show that Jesus was a real person and that eye witness accounts reinforce this. This is too short of a clip to compare all religions. He mentions talking to a Muslim friend in reference to the explosion of the spread of Christianity and the existence of witnesses. I think you "turned off" early on in this clip, which is easy to do. It isn't too clear what his overall point or points are, other than what I saw and wrote.
dutchpuppy2 1 year ago
@dutchpuppy2 But a written statement saying that 500 people saw jesus resurected, doesn't mean that 500 people actually saw it. They aren't alive to verify this, its just written in a book. There is no proof they actually saw him, I hate it when people try to use non-factual evidence to prove something. None of this can be proven, it could all easily just be a story.
SkateLaneWilliams 1 year ago
Lee is using the logic that quite a few people saw Jesus. Several parts of the Bible were written within a few years of the crucifiction. If stories were untrue, people from that time could have written that it wasn't true. No one did. This is from Lee S' point of view. From other's point of view, it's only non-factual evidence.
dutchpuppy2 1 year ago
@SkateLaneWilliams - Anything having to do with Jesus is going to be what I call a "50-50." There is evidence for it and against it. For example, Jesus' resurection can neither be proved or disproved.
dutchpuppy2 1 year ago
@dutchpuppy2
In a court of law, if somebody is accused of muder, its not a 50-50. Either they did it, or they didn't. if it CANNOT be proven, then they didn't do it. Thats it, they don't get half of a life sentence because the defense cannot disprove the case.
Either the stories of jesus are proven, or they didn't happen. Thats the only way that makes logical sense.
Christianity says that jesus was the son of god. They can either prove he was, or he wasn't.
SkateLaneWilliams 1 year ago
@SkateLaneWilliams-You haven't understood my point. I'm saying that someone accused of murder can be convicted by witnesses' testimony...even if they are wrong. Why is that? It is because eye witnesses count as evidence. If no physical proof exists, this is especially horrible as it is not just. "Either the stories of jesus are proven..." well, this is where the idea of 50-50 happens. No one can prove them nor can anyone disprove them.
dutchpuppy2 1 year ago
this fag needs to stop SAYING that "oh, there are records, oh there is old evidence" and SHOW the god damn evidence... This guy (Lee Strobel) is a complete DUMBASS
KooolAid34 1 year ago
@KooolAid34 He does on other videos.
AsaphProject 1 year ago
just because he says that it's true, doesn't make it anymore true
KooolAid34 1 year ago
If 500 people saw Jesus after the resurrection - that would be very credible.
BUT, if someone merely wrote that 500 people saw Jesus, then there is a huge problem with credibility?
Just because someone wrote that story and that it is included in the Bible, does not make it accurate or true. Where are the writings of these people? Why did no historian write about this?
cmk1964 1 year ago
@rationalanarchy We could debate this forever and get nowhere, so I will end it here by sending you to, "Habermas " Historicity of Resurrection 2 of 11 Apologetics" video.
I pray that your mind may be opened. Goodbye sir.
DrEinstein100 1 year ago
@rationalanarchy They were written only 40 years after the fact. That is an upshot, not something against the Bible. So I suppose that you would refute Josephus' writings which were even longer after and which seems to give the claims of the gospels at least the respect of being possible, and the facts surrounding as being correct, even if he did not believe in Christ. The gospels are confirmed and people who were alive at the time of what happened made many copies of them.
DrEinstein100 1 year ago
@rationalanarchy The fact is, Jesus did live, die and rise again. And there were witnesses of him. Much of the New Testament was written by men who were with him while he was alive and saw him alive after his resurrection. They were not trying to write Jesus in order to fulfill the prophecies, they only wrote the truth to show how he did. End of story.
DrEinstein100 1 year ago
@rationalanarchy You are proving my original point that it is not about what you are most exposed to. I just "happen" (through the work of the Holy Spirit) to believe that Christ is the truth. As to your point about Christ being no better than any other: He is true though all the world be liars. Just because people follow false teachers does not mean that he is any less true.
DrEinstein100 1 year ago
@rationalanarchy The point is that in predominantly Muslim nations Christianity is spreading fast. I think that people are exposed to Islam more in those countries, and yet they come to the truth. Not because they are exposed to it more but because of the work of the spirit. though I do think that a lot of exposure to a certain religion is a factor.
DrEinstein100 1 year ago
nothing is unique about christ and christianity is a condensed version of pagan beliefs
espyd21c 1 year ago
@espyd21c Clearly you know nothing about Christianity. Other religions such as Islam may all have elements of the truth in them, but they are tools of the devil to deceive people into following others. When you say that Christ is not unique you show your ignorance. There are ancient prophecies spoken and written of him, telling of his life, his death and his resurrection, where he would be born, his escape to Egypt etc. How many pagan beliefs tell you to love your enemy? I will pray for you.
DrEinstein100 1 year ago
@DrEinstein100 what prophecies do you reffer to? And I can think of a few pagan religions that say love your enemy and don't turn around and say an eye for an eye
espyd21c 1 year ago
@espyd21c There are so many prophecies of Jesus and his times. Isaiah 9:5-7, Deuteronomy 18:18, Daniel 9:24-26, Genesis 3:15, Genesis 28:14, 2 Samuel 7:12-16, Isaiah 11:1-5, Isaiah 40:3-5, Isaiah 7:14, Jeremiah 31:15 and many more. The old Testament is filled with prophecies concerning him. How about a religion where its author has risen from the dead and reigns in power, in heaven? But the most unique thing about it is that it is the proven truth. All that remains is for us to accept Him.
DrEinstein100 1 year ago
@DrEinstein100 only isaiah t 714 is specic about anything but the hebrew word translated as virgin actualy means young woman or maiden, the ancient hebrew word bethulah specificaly means virgin or untouched woman. and many religions that predate christianity have a savior who died and resurrected to heaven the most common are zoroastrianism and the cult of horus which originated the terms lamb of god and son of man
espyd21c 1 year ago
@rationalanarchy In other countries they convert to Christianity more than in the US.
DrEinstein100 1 year ago
IT IS NOT MISPLACED FAITH.. u know what leave us CHRISTIANS alone kaay???? cus clearly you serve the lucifer.... its US that arent going to burn in HELL when the rapture hits.. it will be YOU, so think again of what your going around saying.
highskewlhottie 2 years ago
other then jesus christ WOOT.:)
Samson25877 2 years ago
no its okay Im not misplaced :) God is my Guidance.
PeaChick418 2 years ago
My basis is the Bible, I dont lose cause God gives me victory through all. YOU lose cause you failed to change my mind cause theres no eveidence for your claims. Case closed haha. :)
PeaChick418 2 years ago
Hell accounts are NOT uncommon. They simply aren't reported as often. In fact, the former Atheist, Howard Storm, is one of the best examples that these 'rare' Hell experiences exist.
Myth: Most people who experience NDEs ultimately dismiss them, or adopt a New Age belief system.
Fact: Most people who experience NDEs ultimately convert to Christianity.
Cherishedbriana 2 years ago
"The reactions caused by "near death experiences" are numerous. The visions are nothing more than vivid dreams as the brain begins to shut down."
If NDEs are nothing other than "vivid dreams", brought on by dying brain functions, how do you explain reports made by people who were dead for hours, and sometimes, days, who still have these experiences?
Cherishedbriana 2 years ago
God isn't science...He is everythign and created thing. :D
PeaChick418 2 years ago
*everything. I won't respond to replies anymore, but waste your time if you want. You will never make a Christian sto believing in the one true God. So stop trying :)
PeaChick418 2 years ago
Disasters happen because it's Gods will. He is in control. Im not gonna waste anymore time on this subject matter. Not to be rude but yet yet honest, those who dont believe in God and His ressurection go to hell. Youll believe me when you die. POint Blank Period. Im done. I dont care if you reply. Im happy .
PeaChick418 2 years ago
WATCH HIS WHOLE CASE FOR CHRIST AND YOU GUYS WILL UNDERSTAND.
This is only one small part of it. You think yall feel bad for me but actually I feel bad for yall, cause I know Im going to heavan 100 percent. The rest of yall...well I' just sorry. I pity yall. oh well have a nice day :) God Bless.
PeaChick418 2 years ago
Actually no you are not, if it existed.
hpufo 2 years ago
It does. There cases of people dying and coming back to life. Some were CHristian some weren't. It wasnt fake at all. The Christian ones said they accended, they saw Heaven, a beautiful places, with many angels. The non Christian that had their life taken away for a short time then came back to life said they decended down, heard piercing screams, bad smells, and saw the Lake of Fire. I forgot the name of the video, but Im being honest. Not trying to make anything up. Its real.
PeaChick418 2 years ago
Well they are delusional. Since they were a christian they were already familiar with what they should of seen. Then they built their delusion around what they were expecting to see. This is called the power of suggestion. All the claims of people going to hell and heaven, already knew what to expect before the supposedly went there.
Show me a case of a person that has no knowledge of Christianity, or their beliefs that supposedly died and when to hell, and can describe it as in the bible.
hpufo 2 years ago
Its not scietific, its a unique creation by God. Wheres proof of evolution of the BB theory, oh yeah, there is none.
point blank period. Believe what you please I don't care, just wait til God comes, you'll believe then. Sadly you don't believe now, oh well. Have a nice day til then.
PeaChick418 2 years ago
ROFL! "Unfair advantage in the market place of spiritual ideas" Bwahahaha! This guy is such a tool. Christians will just eat up anything to perpetuate their fantasy.
marKism69 2 years ago
This guy is such a salesman. Funny shit how he just glosses over everything so smoothly and comes to his conclusions without ANYTHING backing it up at all. The brainwashed must just eat this shit up..
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JOSCHILD 2 years ago
Evidence that Jesus actually existed ZERO
hpufo 2 years ago
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bosoxnation91584 2 years ago
zero evidence that Jesus actually existed?
his ressurrection was the most documented event in history.
lmao zero? Open your eyes brother, you can't deny Christ.. only reject Him.
bosoxnation91584 2 years ago
No it wasn't. There isn't even any empirical evidence that he existed period.
hpufo 2 years ago
Zero references from the period? Tacitus (a Roman Historian), The Jews own Talumd, Josephus (a Roman Historian), two independent references to the earthquake and darkness over the land...non-biblical references are just a tiny piece of the picture. If you are really seeking truth, you'll find it.
spidey764 2 years ago
and if you go to the Holy Land Experience in Orlando theres also Scripture proof.
PeaChick418 2 years ago
So some theme park is proof of the scripture? How about all the scriptures we know is wrong such as Genesis, and Noah's arch?
hpufo 2 years ago
THye found pieces of the ark where it landed. And God made the earth, when's the last time a big explosion happened and something beautiful came as a result of it? 9/11 would have looked very beautiful if that theory existed.
PeaChick418 2 years ago
No they haven't. And the big bang theory does not explain how all the matter in the universe existed. It only explains why it is constantly expanding. And the first law of thermodynamics states that matter cannot be created nor destroyed meaning that all the matter in the universe simply always existed.
hpufo 2 years ago
Why does Jesus convince so many people? Really good marketing! (the question paraphrases something Lee said.)
davis3504 3 years ago
Wow, this guy is using the bible to confirm what the bible says? Intresting. The only (questionable) historical reference to Jesus is the execution. Although the timeline contradicts claims from the bible, but thats another story.
jesse1018 3 years ago 2
The Bible does prove the Bible - it was composed over some 1,600 years (66 books by 40 authors) all corroborating the story of God.
matt3i6 3 years ago
Well if they all came at the same time, from all around the world with no communication with each other than I would consider it. But if they all came one after another within the religion, then I would just say that the writers were full of shit. Also, there is many gospels that never made it into the bible.
hpufo 2 years ago
Your right! The Bible that we have today is what the early church fathers wanted you too read. More than 30 gospels from around the same time were not included. There was much debate as to whether the letter of Jude or the book of Revelation were to be included..they almost didn't make it.
fa272 2 years ago
I find it so funny that Christians love to claim that atheist were never true Christians yet they know more of the bible, and christian history than they know.
hpufo 2 years ago
Christinity isn't about what you know, it's our relationship with God.
PeaChick418 2 years ago
And atheism is a relationship with reality.
hpufo 2 years ago
God is real.
PeaChick418 2 years ago
God is real. I think its funny how poeple don't see the wind but we know and feel it's there, so we believe it. yet when it comes to God, people doubt. lolz mindless.
Just read the Bible. Gosh. I'm outta this.
PeaChick418 2 years ago
Exactly we can feel the wind. We cannot feel god. We know what causes wind, we know it is there. People doubt because there is a god because there is no empirical evidence for his existence.
And I have read the bible.
hpufo 2 years ago
If you are a Christian, you know what it's like to have the Holy Spirit move within you, it's amazing. But you have to believe in order to know what Im saying. The evidence of God is this entire world and everything within it. He hand made it. :)
PeaChick418 2 years ago
I was a christian. People that feels the holy spirit in them is delusional that is it.
hpufo 2 years ago
so what you are telling me is instead of seeing something then believing it, i first have to believe it then I'll see it? wtf?
"Christianity: believing is seeing." hahahah ridiculous
daredevillv 2 years ago
What is unique about Lee Strobel? Nothing.
eternityends23 3 years ago 2
there is no historical data to support anything in the bible
Rebootrevival 3 years ago
There is absolutely nothing unique about Jesus Christ. Period.
Makristopherer 3 years ago
jesus never claimed with his own words tht hes gonna die for the sins of ppl
dangergodboy 3 years ago
Jesus did too claim in his own words he would die for the sins of the world. And the Scriptures testify to this as well.
"Nobody takes my life from me but I lay it down of my own accord" (John 10) he's talking about it right there.
"Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners" 1 Timothy 1:15
matt3i6 3 years ago
many people see mass sighting of jesus...or muhammed or, buddah or what ever...is what you have been conditioned..with...and always funny the sighting of jesus are always white king alexander icon look alikes,.,,hmmmm and yes the bible is edited very much , some kings at teh time or priests in power even added there own bits...and we all know bible is a book of books..that why the flood and history is so off..most of it is stolen from egyptina and summerian scripts...
yesumwell 3 years ago
Prove the bible is edited very much.
lilchrizz123 3 years ago
"Prove the bible is edited very much."
Uhm... man wrote it, for starters. It's in hundreds of languages. There has been councils that have omitted words, BOOKS, all by what they wanted to have put in there. Proof? are you serious???
preachersaredumb 3 years ago
if you can speak 3 languages(doubt it) find a portion of the bible and translate it to another language. then translate it to the 3rd language. then translate it back to english. the final translation will be much much different than the first one. the bible continues to be edited every generation to make it "reader friendly". otherwise there are plenty of webistes that can show you these translation errors over several language transfers
Rebootrevival 3 years ago
and science never claims to know everything, thats what its about finding the truth, never claimns to know all..religion on the other hand claims to know all with no evidence..mmmm
yesumwell 3 years ago
im god we are god, you dont need a church or pray...because we are,as everything is..so you dont need to give money to churches, religion is the prison for the seekers of wisdom...so thru the dusty books down and read all books...seek science and knowledge of self
yesumwell 3 years ago
I am doing that I actually read a fair amount of books and I am seeking " science " but i hope you know that science can't explain everything.
lilchrizz123 3 years ago
Ok but when has a massive amount of people all account for seeing the same thing?....many times...thru out history...dosnt mean it is the same thing,depending on there geography people will see what ever religion has moulded them to percieve,..my arguments are not wishy washy..my ones are based on fact..your are based on acient book that has been edited more times than a starwars movie,
yesumwell 3 years ago
Ok give me accounts of massive people all having the same delusion. And are you saying the bibles we have today are different from the originals?
lilchrizz123 3 years ago
its just a book written by humans,,all escoteric..and the myths are based around histroical accounts..funny how now people are thinking they are literal and making money off it haha...how the elders would laugh...
yesumwell 3 years ago
Im still waiting....lol :)
lilchrizz123 3 years ago
many people see many differnt gods, beings thinsg when they have out of body depending on what religion they have been brainwashed,.,,,funny also how the jesus some see is the blue eye white skin jesus painted in the form of alexander haha..
yesumwell 3 years ago
Ok but when has a massive amount of people all account for seeing the same thing? And your arguments are very wishy washy, it seems as if you just blurt out anything you've heard about Jesus Christ.
lilchrizz123 3 years ago
oh i agree this is just one of those dates made up by the church as with everything else..i mean i dont care about the date...its all bull..but the jesus story is an obvious copy...even some of the prayes we say in church are ripped off straight from acient egyptian hyms...anyway..
yesumwell 3 years ago
Can you please explain why its an obvious copy and what prayers are taken from ancient Egyptian societies? I'll be glad for you're response it will be something interesting to look into.
lilchrizz123 3 years ago
jesus the holy SUN
yesumwell 3 years ago
??? answer my question, give me scholars , or convince me by the bible that Jesus was born on December 25th?
lilchrizz123 3 years ago
this is a dated used to signify him..not juts there 16 other gods born of thsi date..22nd or 25th,,,they all have 12 desciples...perform miracles..are crusified,,,and rise again....
yesumwell 3 years ago
attis...born 25th,,,,krishna 25th,,,dionysus 25th,,,all born of vigin..i could go on..there are many many gods born on this date...some even crusified..all predate jesus often by 10000000s of years...jesus is fake
yesumwell 3 years ago
Where does it say Jesus Christ was born december 25th in the bible?
lilchrizz123 3 years ago
look at all the fake gold and stuff..so faske like there religions...haha reptiles
yesumwell 3 years ago
so do you suppose people including athiest and little children that have had out of body experiences are all lying about Jesus. millions of them. do the other so called gods make prophecies that come true and are still coming true. i could give you specifics out of the bible that are happening today
takeitgreezy 3 years ago
well yes the story is very unique haha not...there are over 16 other gods who pretty much did what jesus did...
plus he died like a bitch to save our sins...but we are still sinning..great work
yesumwell 3 years ago
Name the other 16 gods who did what Jesus did?
lilchrizz123 3 years ago
do you sin? is there right and wrong? with no God there is no right and wrong because it would all be matter of opinion. no one knows the date of his birth but it was given the 25th. you say many gods predate jesus by 100000000 of years. do you realize the human population problem with that many years. we have 6 billion now and only about 200 million around the time of Christ. so you see you have a population problem. be aware of the lies to stop you from believing. God bless
takeitgreezy 3 years ago
It's quite funny to watch people talking verbal diarrhea! the greatest "STORY" ever told it's a Story and stories are not real!
so how much were you paid to talk crap?
gekiryudojo 3 years ago
saiah 52:13 "...he will be raised and lifted up....". Notice that Isaiah 52:13 did not say "....he will be RESURRECTED and lifted up...." Not even once, did the Old Testament predict for the foretold Servant (Jesus) to be raised to GOD Almighty after death. There absolutely no mention of any sort of resurrection in the Bible's Old Testament what so ever.
Majenah 3 years ago
"A righteous man may have many troubles, but the LORD delivers him from them all; he protects all his bones, not one of them will be broken. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 34:19-20)"
As these verses don't even seem to be talking about the Messiah or any crucifixion, but assuming that they did, notice how Psalm 34:20 says that GOD Almighty will protect "all his bones". So, not even an inch from his bones will be damaged according to the Scriptures..means Jesus NEVER got crucified! Wake up !!!
Majenah 3 years ago
The Bible confirms that Jesus is not the unique son of God!
"And thou [Moses] shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my first born." (Exodus 4:22),
"He [Solomon] shall build a house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father and he shall be my son." (II Samuel 7:13-14),
and "Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God"(Luke3: 38).
Majenah 3 years ago
What Is Unique About Jesus Christ? Is that he never existed.
GODandPEACE 3 years ago 3
Strobel's a fuckn' cunt!
Tradd9 3 years ago
This guy is making a bunch of claims but I don't see the actual evidence he's talking about.
Just like he says early on "anyone can claim they are the son of god." Anyone can make claims about anything, it's the evidence that backs that up, and this man gives none.
If we can accept 1 book as the only evidence when there is no other evidence to be found, then we must also accept Lord of the Rings as a historical record and orcs and dragons must be real. The Bible is just comparable fiction.
Domidoolalala 3 years ago
"If we can accept 1 book as the only evidence when there is no other evidence to be found, then we must also accept Lord of the Rings as a historical record and orcs and dragons must be real. The Bible is just comparable fiction." (Domidoolalala)
LOL! XD
Kite207 3 years ago
I so wish Middle Earth was real.. *sigh*
marKism69 3 years ago
Why?
SpeakaDaEnglish 3 years ago
I just really liked Tolkeins fantasy world more than the bible. Actually his gods were much more righteous too! lol
marKism69 3 years ago
He was a genius. It's interesting though, so many fans of the Ring epic are not aware that J.R.R. Tolkien was himself a devout Christian. So much of the Ring trilogy is in essence the gospel story. In any case, I like the characters and imagery very much too. Come to think of it I think I'll re watch the DVD today. Thanks for inspiring me!
SpeakaDaEnglish 3 years ago
Oh I know that he was religious - most people of his era were. Though he denied that LoTR was was a Christian parable like his friend CS Lewis' obvious parable with the Narnia series. The DvD's are pretty good especially the first one - but still can't compare to the book! hehe
marKism69 3 years ago
i love the fact that christians are now pretending that they have historical proof of their stories. this is not the case. toddtyszka, this gentleman in the video seems very nice,however he is not being accurate whwn he talks about the "5 E's" as proof. especiaaly when he says there is documentation from 24-36 months after jesus' death. that is impossible because no one knows the supposed date of his death. also, just because these stories are written down does not make them 100% accurate
mleonsmith 3 years ago
If only the world would receive Christ...He is the Prince of Peace and would heal the world's wounds. Unfortunately people keep rejecting Him and making blasphemous and inaccurate claims about Him. Well, God's Word must come true so really the world is going to continue to be as it is until Christ returns.
J3SUSfreek 3 years ago
Early eyewitnesses? Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are never directly connected to the gospels until Ireneaus does so in around 180 A.D. That's almost a century after they were supposedly written. The Jesus Paul preached was most likely a mystical figure patterned after other Mystery Religions popular at the time. It was the author of "Mark" who, using concepts out of the Old Testament, who put flesh on his bones and made a biography around him.
buddy51 3 years ago
Anyone who is on the borderline of becoming a Christian (from whatever else): the NT is not a reliable, historical document. Is it, important, fascinating, worth reading? Yes.
Once you get past apologetical rhetoric (and seductive but empty reasoning such as Pascal's wager) I suggest that you'll find the NT not to be inerrant; that the OT prophecies were all retrofitted; that the subject of its writings is not as well attested as claimed; and Jesus is a composite of Jewish and pagan figures.
PikemannUrge 3 years ago
Wow 500 witnesses how many years ago... What a joke, this guy needs a definition of what evidence means. What a fucktard.
TheMadPole 3 years ago
Kite207 what God calls good is good and what He calls evil is evil. There is no higher authority than Him. Your comments do not change Him.
shockawenow 3 years ago
All throughout the Bible, it seems that God's solution to every problem involves death and blood. He can't even forgive sin unless there's blood dripping somewhere.
"And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."(Hebrews 9:22)
By the way, are YOU able to forgive sin without somebody bleeding? so Wouldn't you expect the creator of the universe do the same? if not Doesn't this indicate that you're morally superior to Biblegod?
Kite207 3 years ago
Wage of sin is death. Only God can forgive sin, this is where Jesus comes into play.
FccB24 2 years ago
I felt there was always this strange inconsistency over whether jesus claimed to be the son of god. Did anyone check the hebrew?
I've seen passages with translations for his answer to that question ranging all the way from Yes to I'm not telling to no.
Aside from that, Virgin births happened before Jesus and there were many other people around at the time that performed miracles/rose from the dead. Also what's up with the glirifying of the Virgin Mary? She had another kid and therefore sex.
sroHex 3 years ago
catholics glorify mary-NOT Christians.
jahcal7 3 years ago
i would never put anyone elses beliefs down. but it is so nice to hear someone talk of my beliefs and back it up. though there will be doubters and thats your right, but don't put us down for ours thank you. and thank you sir for your information. God Bless you
Reservoir1951 3 years ago
even if those beliefs are bollocks?
gekiryudojo 3 years ago
It is stated quite specifically in the Old Testament that the Messiah will be of the line of David. If Jesus is the son of God, then he's not of the line of David, and therefore cannot be the Messiah.
I've always regarded Revelations as being a bit suspicious, warning about the 'False Prophets'. Surely the false prophets themselves have the most to gain: by warning people about false gods, they secure people into the false faith. Perhaps one of Jesus' (younger) brothers was the Messiah?
WelshAtheist 3 years ago
Ridiculous. Jesus WAS of the line of David and personally I think it was really cool how he did it! You've never read the genealogy of Jesus?
As far as false prophets, you're sounding like one yourself. I'm glad he warned about people like that - liars, divisive, argumentative...
toddtyszka 3 years ago
Jesus was NOT of the line of David. JOSEPH was of the line of David, Mary was of the line of JUDAH. If Jesus' father was God, then he's not of the line of David, but of the line of Judah (check your Bible (Luke and Matthew). If Joseph isn't his biological father, then he can't be descended from David, and, as the prophecies say that the Messiah will be of the 'Line of David', then Jesus can't be the Messiah. He's just another Prophet (so maybe Islam has it right? According to the Bible, anyway).
WelshAtheist 3 years ago
The gospel of Matthew presents Jesus as the king. The geneology in Matthew follows Joseph's line which includes David. Jesus was the legal son of Joseph which brings Him into the legal rights of a child and yet, His Father is still God and not Joseph. Brilliant isn't it? Nobody but God could've dreamt it up. I will pray for you, "welshathiest".
kaylewis926 3 years ago
About the 'Execution', as he put it. It's interesting to note that the British Medical Journal came to the conclusion that Jesus wouldn't have been dead, if the accounts of his treatment at the hands of the Romans are accurate. It's just not enough time for the body to drown in its own fluid.
I love how he only takes the Biblical account as 'historical', and then ignores conflicting evidence. The earliest Christians did not believe that Jesus was divine, just the Messiah. He can't be both.
WelshAtheist 3 years ago
Jesus wouldn't have been dead? lol
What conflicting evidence is Lee ignoring? And why can't Jesus be both Messiah and divine?
Listen, I'm not interested in arguing and it sounds like you have already made up your mind, so your hardly being objective...
toddtyszka 3 years ago
No, he wouldn't have been. The biblical account says that Jesus was on the cross for about nine hours. This isn't enough time for sufficient levels of fluid to fill the lungs in order to cause asphyxiation. A more likely scenario is that Jesus was rendered unconscious due to low blood pressure (from the amount of blood being exuded from the nail wounds. We know from Flavius Josephus' accounts that it was possible to survive crucifixion, if the wounds were treated.
WelshAtheist 3 years ago
The earliest Christians (the Nazerenes) didn't believe in Jesus' divinity, and said that Joseph was his father (you'll notice that Mark, John and Corinthians makes no mention of Jesus' divinity or a virgin birth, and these are the earliest books of the Bible (although even the earliest (Corinthians) was written at abour 60CE)).
So let's talk about objectivity: you're hardly objective yourself. If you believe that Jesus is God, then you've already made up your mind.
WelshAtheist 3 years ago
You make so many assumptions! And yes, I've made up my mind but that's because I have a very real relationship with my Creator who obviously exists. You can deny your Creator all you want but that's a foolish choice (Psalm 53:1).
toddtyszka 3 years ago
No, it's not assumptions. It's backed by historical accounts written by reliable (ie objective) sources. The Nazerene beliefs are well documented. Look them up some time.
You can quote the Bible all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that you are also biased.
WelshAtheist 3 years ago
Show me proof the "earliest Christians" didn't believe in Jesus' divinity. That's not what the Bible says. The earliest Christians were the apostles, disciples, the first people he ministered to which were not just "Nazarenes." When he went to Nazareth, his home town, they had little faith in him, so what? That doesn't mean no one believed in His divinity there. And I'm biased? Look at you?!
toddtyszka 3 years ago
Jesus' story isn't really that unique. The Babylonians had a 'god incarnate'. Jesus' story is identical to that of Mithras (a roman sun god who predates Christianity by a few hundred years). It's not really that surprising, as all the stories about him being the 'son of God' were added when early Christianity was combined with the Pagan faiths in the 4th century (it's not just an idea in 'The Da Vinci Code', it really did happen).
WelshAtheist 3 years ago
You really are clueless on this subject, aren't you? Mithras was AFTER Christ and was nothing like Him. I have a debate on this topic called "Did Jesus Rise From The Dead." Check it out. While you're at it, check out Wikipedia (or do some real research) and look up Mithras.
toddtyszka 3 years ago
Actually, the worship of Mithras originated in Persia, several centuries before the earliest Christians, and only later became intergrated into the Roman Empire. The two faiths (The Mysteries of Mithras, and the Nazerenes) were both present in the Roman Empire, and then became merged into a single faith (Early Christianity). The two stories are identical to each other, and there have been numerous 'gods incarnate' throughout the course of Human history.
WelshAtheist 3 years ago
According to Dr. Gary Habermas, there was no resurrected god before Christ. Mithras was around 250 AD and that is the earliest. This is in my video "Did Jesus Rise From The Dead."
toddtyszka 3 years ago
So Mithras was around 250 CE? Well that IS interesting, as one of the earliest temples to Mithras dates from the middle of the 2nd century. Does that mean that they could see into the future?
And I have one word for Dr Gary Habermas: Baldur.
WelshAtheist 3 years ago
Mithras wasn't a resurrected god until much later and the first time that showed up is said to be around 250 AD. You have proof otherwise? Like I said, there were no resurrected gods before Christ. Give it up or show some proof.
toddtyszka 3 years ago
Mithras nothing like Jesus?:
Mithras was born in a cave, on December 25th, to a virgin mother
Mithras came from heaven, being born as a man, so that humanity could be redeemed from a state of sin
Mithras was known variously as 'Savior', 'Son Of God', 'Redeemer' and 'Lamb Of God'
Mithras travelled across the country teaching, with twelve disciples in tow, until his death
Mithras was buried in a tomb when he died
Mithras reemerged from the tomb, having come back to life
WelshAtheist 3 years ago
mithras is dead.mithras is a false god.JESUS LIVES!! And all will face Him at some point,
jahcal7 3 years ago
(cont.)
Mithras' resurrection was remembered every year with much celebration
Mithras worship involved a sacramental meal of bread and water, or bread and wine, which was symbolic of the body and blood of the bull sacred to the god
WelshAtheist 3 years ago
Watching too much zeitgeist or reading freke and gandy aye?
Prophetes 3 years ago
Even if Christ did exist, die, was resurrected, ascended into heaven, and is the Son of God, how do we know that anyone today is saved? The miracles described in the book of Acts aren't happening all the time. And any miracle that does happen such as someone recovering from cancer can be dismissed by a skeptic as a coincidence.
LifeIsABigPuzzle 3 years ago
Oh, those miracles are still happening ;)
Satchriani15 3 years ago
No they're not.
pos777 3 years ago
Lee Strobel is a great soldier of Christ! I was watching here on youtube a video, Smart Atheist questioning strong things about Jesus, but the Christian that they asked wree weak with knowledge Christian.. i would like those athist asking Mr.Strobel, 4 sure will not be the same panorama!
and The Case for Christ is an excellent book!
cirexlab 4 years ago
RE: Ur technique-- "Begging the Q" is what U did here. U say:
"... only begotten" (Greek-"Monogenes") in reference to Christ (e.g. 1 Jn 1:14) indicates that as the Son of God He was the sole representative of the Being and character of the One who sent Him."
cosmicjackpot 4 years ago
See the trick?
1. "sole representative of the Being and character of the One who sent Him" does not linguistically = "son," in any sense of the word.
2. W/o above, reads, "the phrase "only begotten" (Greek-"Monogenes") in reference to Christ (e.g. 1 Jn 1:14) indicates that as the Son of God He was
3. See? The term, "son" is used w/o justification. Begging the Q!
cosmicjackpot 4 years ago
Mr. Strobel was raised as a Lutheran and became a Christian only after separating from it. One of my relatives went through the identical experience. I attended a Lutheran church for 8 years - the message of salvation was NEVER offered. 'Nuff said.
NoShackles 4 years ago
If jesus existed in "in the beginning" (John 1.1), his life didn't begin at birth. If his life didn't begin at birth, it didn't end at "death". If he is alive today, nothing was sacrificed. Your religion is a shell game.
cosmicjackpot 4 years ago
he died in flesh, but he was resurrected. just because he had eternaml lif, does not mean he did not suffer during his time on earth.
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