SF 49ers Jeff Garcia to Terrell Owens for the TD!

[timlawler72]

check out the awesome twitter fan club for jeff garcia. no one had one made surprisingly. "@JGarciaFanClub". Respect The Jeff.

[Damon089]

Funny how both Garcia and Owens played for the Eagles

[steveh1010]

Owens wishes he still had that speed.

[sharkshockey19]

@steveh1010 I think he showed today that he still does lol.

[thug8200]

can u say power speed everything

[MRN8705]

preseason... meh...

[Triple3Deuce2]

football without commentary = boring

[Ltown13363]

u must not like going to football gaMES IDIOT

[gstacks510]

i remember this game slant patters always was money when owens got the ball and had open field

[FalconsVick72]

i was thinking "wth why is the crowd so bad", read the comments, and it was a preseason game lol good to know

[Berlin1811]

Yeah, I don't think the Niners ever wore white in San Francisco during the regular season. It must be crimson: it's like a rule standard with this team!

[beautifulgirl1913]

there throwbacl uni pants were white and the away games they were all white with the niner stripe on pants in 95 i think

[thepostfk]

WHAT A BEAST

[JoeyNinersFan]

Have to admit that despite all the moaning and whining, Terrell Owens is definately one of the best receivers in the NFL ever. The one thing that will keep him out is the mouth though. No doubt about it. But the guy loves to play the game and is definately at his best when he has the ball in hand and is able to run at people.

[bcherefosho]

back in the day,when to actually wasnt whining

[SpectreSTR]

i hate the 49ers but garcia and to are damn talented great recognition by garcia and then to is off and nobody can catch him

[MikeStanley4]

that is a horrible crowd.  was that a preseason game?

[jcab89]

yes it was a preseason game

[Berlin1811]

I had to do a double take there to pick out the teams: Niners in white at home? OUI! I hope this isn't the start of a new trend: you're at home, so WEAR THE DAMN RED UNIFORMS! Jeez, white at home is for the bloody Cowboys, not the 49ers!

[EmceeNolan]

What an incredible two yard pass. Garcia clearly MADE Owens with those INCREDIBLE dumpoffs. The hard part is tossing a ball a few yards to a wide open receiver, not running around and past entire defenses for 75 yards after the catch.

That's why Garcia made the big bucks!!!

[daboobtube102]

actually it still does exist. sorry if you disagree. but it does.

[EmceeNolan]

I don't "disagree"--it doesn't exist, period.

What do you think the West Coast Offense is?

[daboobtube102]

it is an offense ruled by the passing game. in contrast of the running game. consistently throwing short quick routes, usually 10-15 yards to open up the vertical threats and to open up the running game. established by the late and great bill walsh sir. 3-5 step drops. this is used constantly in the nfl today. if i came off a little rude before im sorry. but it does exist. just look it up. it's there. broncos, niners, raiders, eagles, bucs, giants.even more. there are just various versions of it

[EmceeNolan]

You have it completely wrong.

First of all, I suggest you look for a website called profootball reference (dot com) where they list the run and pass attempts for each team for every season. The 49ers were almost always a BALANCED attack, and in 1987-1989, they ran more than they threw in each of the 3 seasons.

More to come in part 2.

[EmceeNolan]

"Short, quick routes"--a myth. Every offense that has ever existed featured more short and intermediate routes than deep routes...for whatever reason, people mistakenly think that "high percentage" means "short." It doesn't. A deep ball to a receiver open by a 10 yard radius is a high percentage throw. A short throw to a player in heavy traffic isn't. The 49ers during the 80's and 90's threw deep as much as just about anyone.

[JOEMCKINLEY3]

Screen / swing passes, 5 yard outs, slants, hitches, accompanied by the strong run game between the tackles, and the guts to call any of these plays on any down (including 1st) is the major makeup of the WCO. In the WCO, a pass on first down for 4-6 yards essentially gives the offense an advantage for its unpredictability, forcing defenses to frequently change personnel, which leads to another key component: the audible. This was the offense that Walsh installed that came to be known as the WCO.

[JOEMCKINLEY3]

More 'traditional' offenses before the WCO either would run on first and second down, unless they failed to gain 3 yds per att, or featured a more heavy passing game like the old Houston Oilers with the 'Run and Shoot,' that was usually a 4 wide set, singleback form. Walsh's approach became more commonplace and his philosophy became more common shortly after the 49er 80's - 90's dynasty, with most teams figuring they would fight 'fire with fire.'

[EmceeNolan]

The run-and-shoot didn't hit the NFL until several years after Walsh came to San Francisco.

[EmceeNolan]

~sigh~

Every one of the types of throws you listed were prevalent in the NFL long before Walsh arrived...and passing on first down wasn't a novel concept, either. I wish football fans would take it upon themselves to actually order old games to see what really happened rather than relying on second (or third...or 194989843th) accounts of it.

[cbehr91]

Super Bowl III, 1969, the Baltimore Colts had a very WCOish swing pass to their tight end (who was in the back field) on their first offensive play. And they used plenty of 1-back sets with either two Tight Ends (Ace formation) or 4 wide receivers (Curt Gowdy kept calling it a double slot) or two wingbacks. They were 19 of 41 passing and did a lot on first down even when the game was still in reach for them. And I have the NBC broadcast on DVD so this is a first account.

[EmceeNolan]

Finally, the 49ers threw almost entirely 5-7 step drops. The 3 step drop was EXTREMELY rare...we're talking 2-3 times a game if you're lucky. 5 step drops were the most common, with 7 step drops not all that far behind.

[EmceeNolan]

Now, let me explain what the West Coast Offense WAS.

First of all, it's really a misnomer in general because the actual West Coast Offense was devised by Sid Gillman of the Chargers. But, for the purposes of this discussion, we'll call Bill Walsh's offense the "West Coast Offense."

This offense operated almost entirely out of a split backfield...the I-formation almost non-existent. Then there was the blocking scheme--it's not used in the NFL today and wasn't used by anyone else.

[EmceeNolan]

Finally, here's where its link to the Don Coryell/Sid Gillman offense comes in (besides Bill Parcells trying to slight the 49ers with a "how 'bout that 'West Coast Offense' now?" remark): The offense featured a set order of progressions for the quarterback. Like with the Charger offenses, the QB on the 49ers was told in what order to look at which receivers and instructed to throw it to the highest ordered guy who was actually open. Of course, there is always the odd improvisational play...

[EmceeNolan]

but that's the jist.

[EmceeNolan]

So, if you look at these attributes, and then look at all of those teams...see if any of them feature all of those attributes. EVERY offense in the NFL features the third one (set order of progressions) thanks to Gillman/Coryell/Walsh/Gibbs, but the first two, which really separate the Bill Walsh offense from those offenses, are not found in ANY offense today. If you're going to call those offenses "WCO" just because of the progressions, then you have to call every offense in football the WCO.

[daboobtube102]

fair enough. i see where you are going with it. but let's just agree to disagree. been good debating with you sir. have a good one.

[cbehr91]

And alot of times people call an offense a 'West Coast Offense' just because they put a greater emphasis on passing rather than running. Well, that would describe like 90% of the current NFL's offenses!

[cbehr91]

Also, he is also wrong. The 'Bill Walsh Offense' used more 3-step drops than 5 or 7 step ones. 5 and 7 step drops were used on long yardage situations frequently. A WCO does put a greater emphasis on passing. Instead of running to open up the pass, you pass to open up the run (passing on first and second down and running on third down). It wears the defense down to the point where you can grind 'em in the fourth quarter. That's all.

[EmceeNolan]

I would advise you to take a look at some old 49ers games and count the number of 3, 5 and 7 step drops. The 49ers didn't take nearly as many 3 step drops as they took 5 and 7 steps; it wasn't even close. The 3 step drop was something you saw then use 5 times a game at the very most.

The 49ers actually became more short pass oriented after Walsh LEFT (oddly enough)...in particular in 1989 and 1990. This probably had to do with Mike Holmgren tailoring it to the way he wanted it.

[cbehr91]

What EmceeNolan is trying to say is that the 'Bill Walsh offense (as I like to call it)" hasn't been used since he retired, it was a little more balanced. When Seifert became HC the offense was a little more pass-happy with Holmgren, Shanahan, and Trestman at OC over the years. He is half-right but slightly miss-guided. The West Coast Offense is still a part of the NFL but has been ruined with all the Shotgun spread formation dinky-dunky passes that I guarantee you every NFL playbook has.

[llouldeng]

Garcia blows

[eemmeennddeell]

So, you think the Niners were actually better off after they got rid of him? Yeah, right!!

[llouldeng]

Yes, did you see how Garcia did for the Browns right after? 49ers were screwed the day they gave up the then #1 WR in the NFL (and he still may be) for a feckin 6th round draft pick. T.O. made Garcia. If you meant were they better off getting rid of TO? Hell no, they've sucked ever since the day.

[daboobtube102]

browns and the lions don't have a west coast offense like the niners, eagles, and tampa has. garcia is a great WCO quaterback, if you don't see this then you dont know football. garcia + mediocre tampa team = playoffs last year. garcia + niners = playoffs. and finally garcia + eagles team = playoffs. as you can see there is a pattern here. look very closely its hidden. but anyways, if you put garcia in a west coast offense he's going to be great. simple as that.

[EmceeNolan]

OK, first of all, you might want to learn what the "West Coast Offense" actually is because it doesn't exist anymore and hasn't for over 15 years (basically since Mike Holmgren left to become coach of the Packers in 1991).

Second, it's funny you try to use the "different system" excuse when Detroit's coach was Steve Mariucci, who was Garcia's coach for 4 of the 5 years Garcia played in SF.

Finally--Garcia holds his offenses back with his awful mechanics and impatience/happy feet.

[daboobtube102]

yup you confirmed that you don't know football. considering the west coast offense is very much still involved in football.

[daboobtube102]

browns and the lions don't have a west coast offense like the niners, eagles, and tampa has. garcia is a great WCO quaterback, if you don't see this then you dont know football. garcia + mediocre tampa team = playoffs last year. garcia + niners = playoffs. and finally garcia + eagles team = playoffs. as you can see there is a pattern here. look very closely its hidden. but anyways, if you put garcia in a west coast offense he's going to be great. simple as that.

[llouldeng]

avril T.O. was only spitting the truth about the team and the soft-Californians who get offended over anything got their panties in a wad. still can't believe we gave up this guy for only a 6th round draft pick.

[tonyAJ420]

why r the niners in their road unis?

[EmceeNolan]

Because it's a preseason game.

[AvrilLavi0903]

Did u ever think u would hear "Garcia to Ownes" ever again?

Well I did not too long ago at the PRO BOWL! I mean jeff and terrell didnt rly want to talk about and thats wat I dont like about terrell, he opens his big mouth and then starts hatin and obviously makes others hate back. He screwed it with Garcia AND Mcnabb, whos next?

[yakunaus]

garcia could have been the next great niner!

[Tfish306]

cowboys r better

[oobah2]

cowboys have and always will suck.

[Jikk]

@oobah2

That's a bit inaccurate, considering the Cowboys are the most successful team. Nice try though.

[konobee]

@Jikk lmao they lost 2 of there 7 superbowl's so you are wrong steelers have won 6 and have the most wins and 49ers have the best sb record 5 and 0

[sweettexasfire]

Where they plaing the Chiefs ?

[LemieuxNHL66]

At SF

[hasugo]

i remember this. i was there

[CrouchingPoo]

No you weren't. Shut up.

[rommelm214]

Jeff Garcia was hella good, only took 1 year to adjust, but how long do we have to wait for Alex to become good?

[mac9erfan]

Alex has the 2008 season (if the niners don't find a way to get a better QB first) to prove himself. Nolan too. If no playoffs, the niners have more rebuilding to do.  I still say the problem is with the owners. York doesn't know shit about football.

[CoolKidHalter]

Yah, York's first move when he became owner was firing Mariucci after they made it to the 2nd round...dumbest thing ever.

[adiamondfordisease]

Each Year Alex Smith has had a new Offensive Coordinator, this year will be no different. Hard to build a routine when it keeps changing every year.

[yakunaus]

next will be shaun hill so it will be better

[EmceeNolan]

Alex Smith would've easily made the throw in this video, as well as pretty much every other one Garcia made. Plus, he wouldn't have held the unit back as much because he is much more patient and has better throwing mechanics.

[LemieuxNHL66]

I agree. The Good ol days was when SF had Young and Montana

[AvrilLavi0903]

Yea, but thats WAYY back.

[LemieuxNHL66]

yea it's almost been 10 years since young last played. (sigh) To bad the 49ers could never go to the confrance championship since youngs retirement. Hopefully in the next 5 years or so the niners can be championship contenders with all those high draft picks.

[brrenndenn]

back in the good old days!?! hes playing better than he ever has

[bll0yd85]

better than he ever has??

does he have 32 touchdowns like he did back then? does he have 3500 yards? 350 rush yards and 5 rush tds?

i don't think so.

[jimmytwotimez]

good stuff. Garcia was the man. He still is the man. I wish the Eagles could have had T.O and Garcia at the same time, that would have been cool.

[AvrilLavi0903]

yea... mcnabb wasnt bad but now he is...

[jimmytwotimez]

lol. McNabb will get better though. I still believe in him, but unfortunately i think the Eagles will let him go. Its sad but shit happens.

[AvrilLavi0903]

Yea but who knows, kevin kolb might actually be worth 1st round pick.

[LemieuxNHL66]

I agree. If it happened to Mcnair it'll happen to Mcnabb. Mcnair by the way is pretty much having the same NFL carrear with the injurys every year and great seasons but then lacks of preformance after a few seasons

[LemieuxNHL66]

madden=injury=horible performance= another injury= sucky QB

[POLLOBOLLO]

Montana, Young, Garcia, Grbac & Bono in rhe bench.

Now we have stupids guys

[themilkman18]

I went to that game but was stuck in traffic at that point. Missed the only good play of a damn preseason game

[xXxxXxOasisxXxxXx]

dat waz nniiiiiiiiiice

[gore21best]

it was preseason. 5 time super bowl Champs

[rubelbarua]

Fuck T.O. is a monster go home wit'cha bad self!!!

[mongobobo]

T.O. is a bad dude

[Alexgrinder]

Was this a preseason game or something or does no one give a fuck about the niners and that's why it's so empty?

[hhsballa18]

yes it was a preseason game, hence the white jerseys and the lack of paint on the field.

[SFforlife]

Dude try comin down to Candlestick now.....that shit RAW! The NINER EMPIRE IS LOUD! EXTREME AND FUCKING HOSTILE!!!!!

[topeldigital]

i wish there was something to cheer about.

[SFforlife]

yeah.....

[Ricearoni80]

Typical Garcia--5 yard dumpoff pass. Owens makes him look good statistically.

[TrappertotheKeeper]

Hey, he wasn't a Young or Montana, but he was pretty dang good, cut him some slack.

[Bigboyfromdc]

these were the good days

[niner2006]

2007 version= Alex Smith To Vernon Davis

[pathakindiaa]

TO sob

[ChrisK513]

when TO wasnt a faggot bitch whore doosh bag cunt face asshole

??? yea, probably the good old days, but Garcia is on the Eagles baby! E A G L E S! eagles!

[0123kid]

yea too bad they let him go. they way too commited on young McNaab who practicly gets injured every season that they would rather sign Felly who ever he is as back up. thats garbage. For what Garcia did this year, take the team in his shoulders, with no Owens too something McNaab couldent do when he started.

[chaingang325]

what dyu mean Mcnabb couldn't do when he started..He took the eagles to the playoffs 5 times bitch including a superbowl appearance...... know ur facts before u talk asshole....

[LemieuxNHL66]

the only reason that they chose McNabb over Garcia is becuase of age and McNabb hass been on the Eagles longer.

[bookookoo]

Garcia to Owens, those were my days and they were unstoppable..Look at the niners now, not good.

[bksunset30]

hey, fuck that the niners are fucking raw.

[LemieuxNHL66]

u kiddin me? Good ol days were when the niners had young and montana

[RonArtest4president]

montana to rice was unstopable

[muffinman18]

That was a nice catch.

[Thizlamic]

Montana to Rice are the Good ol days....

[keithbizzle]

***TEAR***...man...good ol' dayz indeed...***TEAR***

[demev7488]

good old days.......come on man.....Young to Rice, that's the good old days......

[highvoltage2739]

true