Shut the fuck all of you's honestly. Abortion is a life decision and it is perfectly fine. I had an abortion BECAUSE I could of died keeping it. You think you know shit but you don't.. People who have abortion find it sad themselves. Some people just need it because they are medically ill.
dianalee84 is quite obviously a man-hating, Catholic-hating, America-hating, everyone-hating barrel of fun !! so she travels overseas a bunch, is enlightened and smarter than the rest of us, but as she contends, she still looks good in a bathing-suit ! good for you, girl. if abortion is cool with you just cuz "a child is killed every 5 hours by a parent" (not sure where that stat came from), it should be quite fine that we systematically abort our young. this chick has issues.
I call that creature DiarrheaLee84 (because of the liquid dung that pours from his/her/it's/other's poisoned fingers) - you might want to pop over to Father Pavone's video titled "Abortion - This is a Suction Abortion" and see what else he/she/it/other has posted.
Truly nasty stuff indeed - a real hater who pretends to be nice - but then pours venom on anyone who posts a pro-life comment.
@Merlin2Stage2Speed I have alot of respect for some of the prolifers on 'suction'..Dave, who's stance on abortion/B.C I totally disagree with, but he's always a gentleman,never makes personal insults,to even some really nasty attacks to him by prochoicers,I have alot of respect for Dave. Jazz, who's stance again I disagree with, but he's obviously a kind hearted man,I've never written anything much before I started posting on 'suction' and jazz was very kind about my obvious lack of any CON
@Merlin2Stage2Speed con JAZZ was really kind about my lack of education,and wrote something to me which helped me,and meant alot to me.I admire Kirsties honesty about her personal life and children,/family matters about abortion/euthanasia,despite some prochoicers making hateful and cruel comments.All you've ever done is make personal attacks on me, that make no sense.First,I'm driven by greed and make $ posting for the abortion industry.Next,I'm a commie.Then you accuse me of being another CON
@Merlin2Stage2Speed CON prochoicer because we have a similar name.You call me unpatriotic,I love my great country the USA. Then you call me a liar, about something I'd never have said.I know alot of women have terrible feelings of guilt about having an abortion,I'd never say otherwise.Many women just feel relief, people are different. You've called me a NAZI, my family members,male and female served in WW11,I took up skydiving in honor of my Paratrooper GrandPa. All you do is personal insults,
@cjahrens I love being an American I love my country, my Grandparents were all immigrants from Austria,the UK, and Russia and were very gratefull to become USA ctizens.I have a 'made in the USA' tattoo on the back of my neck.I'm a proud NYC born and bred
@cjahrens 'parent or carer' in the USA, and that came from various USA government websites.It was the statsic given when the police released the photos in the baby Briana case.
@cjahrens ...'Man hating' huh? catholic hating,' well I Do hate your religons chosing to protect and spread child rapists across the globe,but I have a feeling I'm not alone in that.I think all religons are equally superstitios (my spelling!) and stupid, but on the global child rape thing,the R.C.C stands alone.
@cjahrens Your R.C.C castrated tens of thousands of boys(many more died from the operation) for the vatican choir,burned people alive for imaginary crimes,took money from sick people and told them touching some 'reliq' ie. bit of a dead person, told them they'd be cured,let rich people pay 'indulgences' to overlook their sins..gee,why would anyone find that That immoral! Imagine that?!
@cjahrens HA HA HA The 'Holy Prepuce' that was a relic of the R.C.C ..Jesus's Foreskin1 And you people had 18 of them! I couldn't make this shit up if I tried! The blessed end of Jesus's Penis..Aw, gotta thankyou for all the laughs, tho. And the christians spirituals, with the hair shirts, whipping themselves and poo eating,truth is stranger than fiction,huh?
sad,you priests.was in the hospital.and you guys told me.I would go to hell for what I did,you are the sick ones ,with your fancy gold robes ,on and on.I HATE CATHILICS.i DONT BELIVE IN LATE TERMN ABORTION.BUT EARLY YES.YOU PREISTS ARE SICK.THERES NO BREATHING SOUND YOU ASSHOLE.
@felicetanka Trained mathematician? Couldn't balance the books for 'Priests for Life' tho,could he? He also has a really warped view of female sexuality. Read some of his thoughts on women using contraception and having sex for pleasure.Total whore/madonna complex.
When you said, "Seek My Face," My heart said, " Your face, Lord, I will seek. Do not hide Your face from me; Do not turn Your servant away in anger; You have been my help; Do not leave me nor forsake me, O God of my salvation. When my father and my mother forsake me, Then they Lord will take care of me. Teach me Your way, O Lord, And lead me in a smooth path, because of my enemies. Do not deliver me to the will of my adersaries; For false witnesses have risen against me. Psalms 27:8-12
"We claimed that between five and ten thousand women a year died of botched abortions. The actual figure was closer to 200 to 300 and we also claimed that there were a million illegal abortions a year in the United States and the actual figure was close to 200,000. So, we were guilty of massive deception." -Bernard Nathanson a founder of National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL).
Pro-abortion refuse to see that the fetus is a human being and we have no business massacring it.
U lay there with no protection knowing what u r doing man up grow up take care of the child u made or do adoption only way u should be able to have one is if u r raped or the baby has so many problems they will never make it
@tboy using protection is not a prerequisite for being free. & u are ignorant in assuming that a woman that wants an abortion didn't use protection. u are exposing a desire to punish her for having sex in a way u don't like. adoption is not an alternative to abortion. it does not end a pregnancy, nor prevent childbirth. abortion does. and ty ... you answered my question already. you think that abortion should be allowed if the woman/girl was raped. what is your basis for being against abortion?
@tboyko2006 "All abortions should be illegal." you are free to have w/e opinions you choose. i disagree and assert that freedom and liberty are the most important elements of life. if you don't have them after being born, then being born is stripped of value. as a side note, i wonder if you really think all abortions should be illegal. even for a 13 yo girl that was gang raped?
@lilly1720 "why cant they just birth it lol" that is the wrong question. they can. they choose not to. it isn't about "can," from the moment a woman is aware of being pregnant. she CAN take the pregnancy to term from that instant, knowing of it. that isn't the issue. the issue is about the freedom to not do it.
Thank you, to the Doctors who perform abortions. To the Doctors who were murdered by pro-life, mentally ill creatures. You died because you believed females had the right to own their bodies, and for that, you will never be forgotten, thank you. To the females who have abortions, may we always remain free, may we never be owned by another, may we always fight to free other females.!!!!! FREEDOM FOREVER.!!!!!
By using the word “abortion,” by itself, instead of the short phrase “crime of abortion” or “abortion genocide,” you miss the chance to succinctly reinforce the concept of what “abortion” truly is. Never say "abortion" by itself. Always say the CRIME of abortion.
The cowardly murder of the innocent in the womb is never an acceptable option for a rational and civilized, truly progressive people.
The crime of abortion is a hate crime against Humanity. Combat it! Oppose it! Outlaw it!
@UnaVoceMiami In the biblical times, there was no surgical abortions for women that were unable to provide for the conceptions that they were carrying. However, it was ok to kill the children AFTER they were born!! Go figure........
Psalms 137, “Happy is he who dashes the infants upon the rocks.”
@mylittlekittens You have absolutely no clue what context that verse was in, huh? Let me guess, you saw it on twitter. Try reading the rest of the passage.
Next time you try using the bible against the Pro-Life movement, do yourself a favor and actually read the thing.
@SuburbiaSurvivor Jesus was speaking to his apostles, male students, and had no references to pregnant women. Why? Because it was none of his business! Jesus was good that way.
@SuburbiaSurvivor I don't speak Hebrew. And Jesus didn't say anything about abortion or the Jewish Holocaust? Maybe he thought they would go after him first! 0_0
@mylittlekittens Abortion and the Jewish Holocaust were murder. He spoke out against murder. Therefore he spoke out against abortion and the Jewish Holocaust.
@SuburbiaSurvivor You are definitely reading to much into it. Jesus, it appears, had no problem with death, and even volunteered to be "murdered." Probably didn't help that he was Jewish either.
@mylittlekittens Yeah. Except of course he chose to sacrifice himself to save mankind from eternal suffering. If you don't think Jesus was against murder you should probably read the bible again. He said even someone who has hated their neighbor is guilty of murder.
@SuburbiaSurvivor In that case, an embryo can be sacrificed to save its mother's life, and discontinue her suffering, which is valid if she is not ready or willing to become a mother. You cannot offer any good reasons to force a woman to continue a pregnancy that she wasn't planning on or one that is complicated.
@mylittlekittens Nice try, but it's only sacrifice if the child chooses to die to save his mother's life. Obviously that is not is impossible. Very simple.
Umm. Yes. Murder is wrong. I can't kill you, you shouldn't be able to kill your kid. It's morally fubar.
@mylittlekittens Killing your child to discontinue your suffering is equivalent to the time when people would sacrifice their children to the god "Molech" by throwing their first born children into a pit of fire.
@SuburbiaSurvivor He didn't choose to die, the jewish people chose him to die, it was between him and another guy, and they chose him. People are still suffering, so it didn't really make much difference, did it.
@Skaramoosh5 >.< Have you read the bible? Jesus allowed himself to be taken! He knew he was going to be killed, and he allowed it. He frequently alluded that he was going to sacrifice himself. If Jesus didn't want to die, he could've easily chosen to live instead.
Babies don't sacrifice themselves. They get killed by abortionists.
You know this is all eugenics right? Racial cleansing, depopulation etc. It's just got another name now. "Planned Parenthood".
@SuburbiaSurvivor Why would a woman who is unprepared to be a mother be accused of racial cleansing? Sounds pretty stupid if you ask me.As far a depopulation, a woman ending her pregnancy has the same effect as a woman that never got pregnant in the first place.
@mylittlekittens Planned Parenthood its roots in racial cleansing. Just look it up. Margaret was a hardcore racist.
If a women is unprepared to be a mother, she can give her child up for adoption. Plus what we considered to be "prepared to be a mother" is only relevant to the american stereotype of living.
@SuburbiaSurvivor adoption is not an alternative to abortion. adoption is an alternative to keeping a born being and raising it. abortion is an alternative to taking a pregnancy to term and giving birth. adoption doesn't end a pregnancy, nor prevent birth. abortion does both.
@Suburbia technical? LOL. it is LITERALLY what abortion does. it IS why abortion is performed... to end a pregnancy and prevent childbirth. NOT aborting (in lieu of a miscarriage), means you are opting to take the pregnancy to term and give birth. THAT is the choice. those are the two options. adoption is a later potential choice/option. it doesn't end a pregnancy, nor prevent birth. AFTER you give birth, THEN you have the option of adoption OR keeping it and raising it. separate issues.
@SuburbiaSurvivor "Yes, you have a choice. Obviously. I'm not saying you don't currently have the choice to have an abortion. My argument is that it is a choice that no one should have." actually, i personally have no choice at all, since i am male. but yes, the legal choice exists, and always should. to strip someone of the most personal, intimate freedom and liberty is the most intolerable violation of a person's life, being, body, and self.
@SuburbiaSurvivor I read it eons ago. i just thought Pontius Pilate gave the people a choice between Jesus and some other guy, and they chose him. I've never understood just what he was sacrificing himself for, as nothing as changed by doing so, would it have not been better him staying alive. If God didn't want females to have abortions, he should have given the womb to men.!!! Eugenics my arse.
@Skaramoosh5 Yes, but that was only after Jesus chose to be sacrificed.
How can you say nothing has changed? Thousands of things have changed. Prove nothing has changed. I dare you.
And? How would men having wombs change a thing?
Don't believe me? Check this out:
"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."-Margaret Sanger
@SuburbiaSurvivor So Jesus committed suicide by proxy. I thought suicide was a sin. Not of to a good start is he.!!!!! Things have changed, really. 1. There is still rape. 2. there is still murder. 3. there is still sex trafficking. 4. There is still Pedo's. 5. There is still famine. 6. there is still drought. 7. there is still disease. 8. there is still no equality....etc. I really don't think a race will be exterminated because of abortion. Some people should be taken out the Gene pool though
@Skaramoosh5 No. Self-sacrifice is completely different then suicide. Self-sacrifice is self-less, suicide is selfish.
So there are still horrible things going on in the world, therefore nothing has changed? I do believe that is a logical fallacy. You must prove that christianity has done NOTHING whatsoever, and thus changed nothing.
@SuburbiaSurvivor But he died for no reason, so there was no sacrifice. Suicide is not selfish, a lot of people have mental issues, some people cannot live with the loss of a loved one/child, so it's unfair to say that. Christianity, is the cause of most of the problems, wars, death, Pedo's, rape, murder, are you shitting me. Without religion, i know for sure, women and children would have better lives. let's face it, he died for nothing. You tell me, what his death changed.
@Skaramoosh5 you bring up a point that i have often exposed. what exactly did "dying for our sins" DO? what exactly in our lives is affected by the "fact" that jesus died for our sins? how exactly does that manifest itself in our day to day lives? what does it actually do? i have never seen/heard anyone explain that. why do they grant such honor to a meaningless notion? he died for our sins... AND? what if he hadn't? what would change?
@slyjokerg Exactly..... I see signs in churches, Jesus died for you.... In what way, did he die for me. How have our lives improved because Jesus died. Now if Jesus dying, stopped child rape, then, yes that would have been the best sacrifice ever. He died for our sins, so we can do anything we want, and Jesus will take the blame, cool. If you ever get an answer, be sure to let me know. If he had of lived, maybe religion would have died out. One can dream.!!!
@Skaramoosh5 what i am talking about is more direct and finite. if jesus died for our sins, i want to know why exactly i am supposed to be grateful. what does it even mean? how is my life improved by it? does jesus dying for my sins magically fill my gas tank every morning? no. can i chop someone up with a machete, and then in court simply assert that jesus died for my sins, so i don't have to go to jail? of course not. so what exactly is the manifestation, even for a believer?
@Skaramoosh5 Died for no reason? Sure, I guess if you count reconciling all of mankind into eternal joy no reason.
Christianity is the cause of most problems? Really. That's news to me. How is a belief system that advocates loving one another, loving enemies, giving selflessly, and non-violence the cause of wars, death, pedo's, rape, and murder?
I'm extremely interested to hear what you have to say.
@SuburbiaSurvivor first, your anaysis of christianity is quite finely cherry picked observance. it has caused the deaths of countless people throughout its history. it has SPECIFICALLY caused wars. and it can easily be argued that is HAS caused "pedos". to this day it causes great harm. it is the foundation for a ton of gay bashing and the denial of equal rights. it is also the source of such things as condemnation of condom use, which is deemed as WORSE than aids. unconscionable. CONT...
@slyjokerg Cherry picking observance? Elaborate. Christianity, the heart of it, has not caused countless deaths. People (such as the pope) misguiding, misquoting, and misrepresenting christianity have been the cause of countless deaths. Christianity itself is completely against pedophiles. Gay bashing is contradictory to the heart of christian faith. Christians are against all pre-marital sex. Though there is nothing that says christians should impose their beliefs on others.
@SuburbiaSurvivor yes, christianity has caused countless deaths and many other horrors. perhaps you have heard of the inquistion, the crusades, and the endeavor to keep people from using condoms, even though it causes people to suffer and die from aids all around the globe, particularly africa. and you have no more basis to assert what "true" christianity is than anyone else. there are millions of christians that are NOT against pre-marital sex, & millions that DO wish to impose their beliefs.
@slyjokerg Christianity itself caused none of these. Because the heart of christianity is against the inquisition, the crusades, and keeping people from using condoms. (Plus, I believe 2 (3?) in 100 condoms fail, so they're not very reliable in the first place)
Of course I do. I base true Christianity on the scriptures. What else would I base it on?
Where are these millions not against pre-marital sex? Being against something doesn't mean imposing your beliefs on others.
@SuburbiaSurvivor christianity itself was the direct cause of those things. ffs. are you serious? you saying "the heart of christianity is..." has no bearing. the people that did/do those horrific things have every bit the grounds to assert they are acting according to christianity as you do to say they aren't. "true christianity" is nothing but an opinion. CONT...
@slyjokerg How was christianity itself the cause of those things? True christianity is what is said in the scriptures. Anything other then that is false christianity. The heart of christianity is found in the scriptures. Misintepreting, taking out of context, or just making religious concepts up is the main cause of christians causing suffering.
You need to realize that the religion a person claims to follow does not guarantee that person will actually follow it.
@SuburbiaSurvivor you keep asserting that people operated under false christianity. again, you have no more place saying what is "true" christianity than anyone else. anyone else can say YOU are misinterpreting the scriptures and taking things out of context, or making religious concepts up. christianity caused what it caused, whether you think it was bogus, or they think your spiel is bogus. it is a non-issue.
@slyjokerg Sure, I could be wrong. But you are operating under the premise that true christianity is based on opinion. And that true christianity does not exist. How is this possible? Prove it. There is one teaching that the scriptures teach, and one only. Misinterpretation is possible, sure. But these writers only have a set list of meanings to the text they write down. "Do not murder" does not also mean "You can murder if you're pissed". It's impossible. There is only one true meaning.
@SuburbiaSurvivor true christianity IS based on opinion. NO ONE can prove any of their silly religious beliefs. that makes it arbitrary and subjective, merely depending on who you ask. i have nothing to prove. YOU DO. you are claiming to know what true christianity is. that means you have to substantiate it. you can't. you simply don't understand that your assertion of what "true christianity" is has no more veracity than anyone else's. you have to comprehend the basic reality of that.
@slyjokerg You claim true christianity it arbitrary because it is only based on opinion. Prove it. There's only one meaning and teaching of the bible. The bible is not contradictory. If it were, it would be arbitrary. Or if it were ambiguous. But it is not. Your claim that true christianity is arbitrary is groundless.
@SuburbiaSurvivor LOL. it is self-evident. YOUR CLAIM of what true christianity is is nothing but your personal view. it is on you to prove that what you claim it is is a fact. you can't do that, which makes it no more valid than anyone else's claim. there are COUNTLESS meaning and teachings of the bible. wtf are you talking about "only one"? LMAO. do live in a cave? and the bible has COUNTLESS contradictions, ffs. the creation of eve even has more than one story LMAO.
@slyjokerg Definition of self-evident: "Evident without proof or argument". If it were self-evident. We wouldn't be having this conversation.
No, my personal view could actually be wrong. True christianity is not based on my opinion. I base my opinion on what the scripture says. If my opinion of true christianity is based on scripture. That opinion is true christianity. If my opinion opposes scripture my opinion is not true christianity.
@Sub it IS self-evident. you denying a simple fact doesn't mean it isn't self-evident. you could deny that 9 is more than 8, but it is self-evidently true, by definition. YOUR view of what "true christianity" is IS based on your opinion.. it IS your opinion. anyone else can say THEIR view of true christianity is based on scripture. you saying that doesn't grant your assertions any more validity than anyone else's. they can say YOUR opinion opposes scripture. and no, you don't make sense.
@SuburbiaSurvivor genesis 1:27 says adam and eve were created at the same time and says nothing about adam's rib being used. genesis 2:18-22 says that adam was created first, then the animals, THEN eve was created of adam's rib. whoops! there are a zillion contradictions and laughable falsehoods. an eye for an eye and a zillion other instances of killing not only being ok, but ordered. VS "thou shalt not kill." and how about the earth being created in 6 days, 6000 years ago? LMAO "name one."
@slyjokerg You assert that true christianity is arbitrary. I disagree with you 100%. I see no proof nor logical reasoning for why that would be true. That would involve that the bible has no meaning, and can be interpreted whichever way, and is true in all cases. This would be like me interpreting "2+2=4" as meaning "2+2=5" and both statements being true.
@SuburbiaSurvivor you simply don't get it. "true christianity" is a 100% opinion. that means it is subjective, which makes it arbitrary in someone listening to a person assert what it means. if i listen to you, it means one thing, and if i listen to someone else, it can mean another. it can't be proven or disproven, because it is ALL baseless nonsense, and not like compaing 2+2=4 which is factual, to 2+2=5.
@slyjokerg The true meaning of christianity is factual. You study what biblical text says, and understand it. It's not arbitrary. Sure, interpretation can be arbitrary. But the true meaning of the text is not arbitrary. There is only one meaning to phrases such as "Love your neighbor as yourself" and 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". "Love your neighbor as yourself" can not mean "Tell all the fags they're going to hell". It's impossible.
@SuburbiaSurvivor no, the meaning of christianity is NOT factual, aside from believing in jesus. that is what makes someone a christian, by definition. biblical texts MEANS NOTHING. first, you can't substantiate your biblical assertions WITH THE BIBLE ITSELF. LOL. that is circular reasoning. second, you miss the point again. anyone else can refer to the bible and say it means DIFFERENT things than you claim. and "love thy neighbor" is in the same book as "fags are going to hell." you are dense.
@slyjokerg How is the meaning of what true christianity is, not factual? Either the bible says one thing, or another. You can be saved and not understand true christianity. Biblical texts mean nothing in your opinion. There are multiple historic and texts that support biblical accounts. Not to mention archaeological finds, etc. Sure, anyone can say the bible means a different thing. But that doesn't mean their interpretation is true. If your statement were true, all text would be arbitrary.
@Subur you keep saying the same ridiculous shit. the bible says COUNTLESS directly contradictory things, and that doesn't even get into the zillions of different interpretations of single items. it doesn't matter what i think about it. true christianity is a matter of 100% personal assessment. and no, there are NO historic texts or archaelogical finds that substantiate THE SUPERNATURAL claims of the bible. the issue is "true christianity." your definition has no more power than anyone else's.
@slyjokerg What contradictions are there in the bible? Name one thing that can be interpreted differently.
Really? Dozens of religions have a story about a great flood. I call that supernatural. As far as historical accounts, Admonitions of Ipuwer, describes the Egyption plagues.
My definition has plenty of power if it is based on scripture. If not, then it is powerless.
@SuburbiaSurvivor without me even naming any contradictions, which i already did, the fact that there are baptists, catholics, episcopalians, lutherans, and every other sect SELF-EVIDENTLY demonstrates that there are MANY different interpretations of the bible, you dink. LOL. and your "definition" has no power, because it can't be proven to be any more right or true and than anyone else's. all of you think that your version is right, silly ass.
@SuburbiaSurvivor CONT...ummm, just in the usa -> 300 million people. the strong majority are christians. a strong majority of those believe in AND HAVE sex without/before marriage. and yes, TONS of religious kooks think they should be able to impose their views on everyone else. and LOL@ "condoms aren't reliable" and basing it on your own assertion that they are not realiable because they only work 97-98% of the time. LOLOL how moronic. they should be used if it was only 12%, you idiot.
@slyjokerg What is your source for this survey? How do you know all of those 300 million people are true christians? How do you know those 300 million people have a true understanding of what christianity is? How do you know those 300 million people are acting out what true christianity is in their lives?
What strong majority? What age groups? How is this relevant?
@SuburbiaSurvivor i know that all of them are true christians because they assert they are. i have already explained how everyone has the same right to assert what a christian is supposed to believe or do. a religious belief system that involves belief in jesus being the son of god, etc... makes you a christian. and there are COUNTLESS surveys, not just one. it is relevant because it directly debunks your claim that "true" christians think and do xyz. millions of christians disagree with you.
@slyjokerg That is a fallacious argument. That's like saying you know I am a cat because I assert that I am a cat.
Believing in Jesus, which makes you a God. And following true christianity are two different things. You can believe in Jesus, and kill your neighbor, and you can be an atheist and love your neighbor.
You're using the argument guilt by association which is a logical fallacy.
@SuburbiaSurvivor LOL. you don't know what a fallacious argument IS. so don't accuse someone else of using one. your "cat" analogy is laughable. a cat is genetically feline. you are not genetically a christian. it is a mindset. saying you are DOES demonstrate that you are. and there is no guilt by association, dummy. there is guilt by GUILT. religion HAS been the cause of countless horrors. no association is needed, ffs. LOL. you are embarrasing yourself.
@slyjokerg Pardon me, I didn't know you were an expert on everything I know and don't know.
Being is not confined to genetics. You misunderstand the meaning of the word "being".
Saying you are is irrelevant.
Yes, you're using guilt by association. You're saying religion is the cause of all evil because people following a religion have caused countless horrors. That is a logical fallacy. You have to prove the religion ITSELF is the cause. That the religion calls for countless horrors.
@SuburbiaSurvivor "Being is not confined to genetics." that depends on the person asked. some people DO think that being is only genetics. other's don't. some people think that a non-descript collection of cells is a human "being." others think that being alive is not all that "being" constitutes. NEVER IN MY LIFE HAVE I EVER SAID that religion is the cause of all evil. that is a gutless lie from you. and what i said was that RELIGION as a whole has been the cause of countless horrors. CONT..
@SuburbiaSurvivor "The definition of being is existence. All things that exist are beings." LOL. are you deepak chopra? that is idiotic. really? my keyboard is a being? i didn't didn't define "human being" btw. you are using straw men and equivocation fallacies. "being" can have many contemplations and definitions, and you don't get to state what someone else's is/are.
@slyjokerg It'st true. Look up the definition of being. Being is not confined to simply to being alive, though for organic beings it does. Yes, your keyboard is a being.
Sure. But I'm going by dictionary definition. And in political debate, that definition goes.
@SuburbiaSurvivor LMAO. i love how you get to define the parameters of a political debate, and that you get to determine that it IS a political debate. comical.
@SuburbiaSurvivor and embryos having unique dna does NOT make them descript. when you look at an embyo, there is no distinguishable characteristic from one to another.
@SuburbiaSurvivor you can't see dna by looking at a fetus or embryo, einstein. more silly, desperate, childish lingo games. looking at any embryo, it is not distinguishable in any practical sense from any other embryo. it is nondescript by comparison. moving on...
@slyjokerg You can see it if you look at it with a microscope, crazy. Besides, characteristic isn't defined just by what you can see with your naked eye. Your rebuttal is void.
@SuburbiaSurvivor your idiocy knows know bounds. first, you can't see dna simply by looking under a microscope, dumbass. LOL. there is a process. second, examining things under a microscope is nowhere near the realm of what i mentioned as being non-descript. you are again trying to insert your meaning into someone else's content. that is equivocation, and it is the kind of silly, irrational, desperate tactic that people who are trying save face engage in. fail, big time.
@SuburbiaSurvivor CONT.. and i don't have to prove a simple fact that is well established and known to all. the inquistion. the burning of women accused of being witches. tons of racist acts. 9/11. the crusades. the condemnation of condom usage. the mutilation of countless girls' genitalia. the shunning of family members. it is self-evident. "prove it" is a ridiculous, childish thing to say there. there is no logical fallacy from me. you don't even understand what that means, obviously.
@slyjokerg Here's you're fallacy. You lump racist acts, 9/11, the crusades, the condemnation of condom use, etc. into one big pile marked "religion", then you assume that all religions are the cause of these countless crimes. That's called Guilt By Association. Christianity, itself, the religion based on biblical text, is not the cause of these acts.
@SuburbiaSurvivor "lumping" together things that have been caused by religion is not a fallacy, kiddo. and you made up another lie. i NEVER said or implied that all religions are responsible for all acts. you are the one employing fallacy and fallacy. you don't have a functional understanding of what they even are. it is not a fallacy to state a fact. religion AS A WHOLE, FACTUALLY, has been the cause of countless horrors. that is not guilt by association. that is guilt by guilt.
@slyjokerg No, I'm not saying the fallacy was in lumping things together. I'm saying your fallacy was essentially in stereotyping all religions as being the cause of countless horrors because certain people claiming to follow a certain religion caused these horrors.
@SuburbiaSurvivor religion as a general reality is responsible for countless horros. i never said that all religions are equally responsible, or even that every religion is guilty. christianity is the most responsible, however. i committed no fallacy. u misconstruing someone else's substance doesn't create a fallacy from them. there is no guilt by association contention. i stated facts and did not even imply that any and all anything or anyone is guilty of something by virtue of past events.
@SuburbiaSurvivor "Christianity, itself, the religion based on biblical text, is not the cause of these acts." and yes, christianity itself has been the cause of many of the horrible acts for which religion in general is responsible. you simply deny reality. the people that committed them had the exact same veracity for their claims they were operating under scripture, as you do to claim you are.
@SuburbiaSurvivor "prove it" is more and more childish each time you say it. it is well known and established that the acts i speak of were the result of christians asserting righteousness. it doesn't matter if YOU don't think the bible advocates any of it. that's your opinion. there's was different. "unproven assumptions" is redundant, dumbass. and nothing i have said has been illogical. you know nothing about the field.
@slyjokerg Show me in the bible where it says we can burn women accused of being witches, be racist, fly planes into buildings, allow crusades, and mutilate women's genitilia (Also, that's Islam. You need to research your religions). Can't find it, huh? Only verses condemning that sort of thing. Why? Because it's evil. It's against true christianity, which is based on biblical text.
@Sub LMAO. well, having slaves is a pretty good demonstration of racism, wouldn't you say? LOL. are you really going to try to say that the bible doesn't support racism if it doesn't literally say "god supports racism."???? REALLY? people took and take the bible's words and decide what they mean, just like you do. and i didn't say it was christianity that orders the removal of a girl's clitoris. you made shit up again. there are countless portions of the bible that justify horrors.
@slyjokerg It is not an established fact that christianity was the cause of all these things. You need to prove christianity was the cause of those things. Until then your argument is void.
@SuburbiaSurvivor LOL. yep. utter denial. it is 100% established that christianity caused all of the things i mentioned christianity as causing. you are either the most ignorant christian on earth, or just won't admit anthing that doesn't suit you. i don't need to prove any well known, already long ago established facts. being childish and irrational doesn't help you. i don't need to prove that the earth is spherical either, even if you assert it is not a fact until i personally prove it.
@slyjokerg You can dispense with the ad hominems. They clutter up your comments and make it look like you think I care. We used insults in middle school to bolster our arguments. Now we use clean logic. I don't demand you to show me maturity, but all of the ad hominems really are a waste of time for both of us.
@SuburbiaSurvivor i haven't used any ad hominems. again, you don't know what a fallacy is. stop thumbing thru the list on w/e webpage you are using. an ad hominem is used IN PLACE OF substance. while calling you what you are and aptly and accurately depicting your comments, i have constantly filled my comments with substantive bases for what i am saying. that is not the usage of ad hominem, kiddo. i have TAUGHT logic. you are walking in a minefield. LOL
@slyjokerg Anything that doesn't work 100% of the time isn't reliable. Condoms do fail. That's not an assertion. That's fact. I could cite pro-condom sources if you really want me to.
@SuburbiaSurvivor "Anything that doesn't work 100% of the time isn't reliable. Condoms do fail. That's not an assertion. That's fact. I could cite pro-condom sources if you really want me to." LMAO. you have rendered the word "reliable" completely meaningless. your perception of what "reliable" means is ridiculous and idiotic. something doesn't have to "work" 100% of the time to be reliable, dink. LOL
@slyjokerg How do you know that millions of Christians wish to impose their beliefs on others? Do you know millions of Christians so intimately that you even know their thoughts?
@SuburbiaSurvivor everyone, not just i, knows that millions of christians wish to impose their views. it manifests itself all the time. i don't need to know all of them personally, retard. they state it. for instance, data shows that MILLIONS of christians think prayer in school should exist. you simply don't think well.
@slyjokerg Everyone knows this? Do you know everyone? It manifests itself ALL the time? Really? How so? We state it? All 300 million of us? That we want to impose our beliefs onto others? Wanting there to be prayer in schools doesn't equate to us imposing our beliefs on others. It just means we want to be allowed to pray in school. Religious freedom and all that.
@SuburbiaSurvivor being irrationally pedantic and hyper-literal just makes you look childish and desperate. i didn't say "all 300 million of you," especially since a big chunk of the 300 million isn't with you. don't make shit up and don't try to absurdly misrepresent someone else's substance. and yes, wanting there to be prayer in school IS trying to impose your beliefs. you CAN pray all you want, in your head, kept to yourself. no one can stop you from doing it.
@slyjokerg A large portion of 300 million isn't with me on true christianity? How do you know this?
But what's wrong with praying out loud? Sounds like atheists are imposing their beliefs on Christians by forcing them to pray quietly! What happened to freedom of religion?
@SuburbiaSurvivor LMAO. sigh. because it is self-evidence and common knowledge. millions of people disagree with you on what YOU assert true christianity is. it is largely BY DEFINITION. baptists disagree with catholics, and every such distinction between sects is a BY DEFINITION disagreement. praying out loud IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS is wrong because it subjects everyone to it. atheists aren't imposing anything. you don't have to pray quietly, or at all. but you can. your freedom is intact.
@slyjokerg A) If it were self-evident, it would be self-evident to me. It is not. Therefore it is not self-evident. B) Disagreement on the definition of the meaning of a text does not render that text arbitrary. It just means people disagree on what that text actually means. Essentially, the difference between most sects within the church are simply different styles.
How does praying out loud in schools subject other people to prayer? You don't have to pray if someone else prays out loud.
@SuburbiaSurvivor "A) If it were self-evident, it would be self-evident to me. It is not. Therefore it is not self-evident." LOLOLOL. umm, you saying that is not exactly compelling. you could also say that night is not self-evidently darker than day.
@SuburbiaSurvivor i don't need to look up "self-evident," thanks. i have known what it means for over 30 years. you need to take a beginner's course in logic.
@slyjokerg Then you know self-evident means it's evident to everyone. Like the sun is evident. No need for debate. The fact that so many disagree with you proves it's not self-evident.
@Suburbia LMAO. yes, the sun exists. that is evident. and something doesn't have to be currently visual or even tangible to be self-evident, crackhead. it is established fact that christianity IS responsible for the mentioned atrocities, and others. you denying reality doesn't change that, just like if you denied the sun exists it wouldn't make that any less true or self-evident. it IS self-evident, by any practical, intellectually honest assessment, that christianity has caused great horrors.
Without argument. That means if it were self-evident, there would be no argument between us.
Prove christianity is responsible for all mentioned atrocities. (Even though 9/11 was caused by muslims, once again proving your ignorance on religion)
@SuburbiaSurvivor i didn't say christianity caused 9/11. i said religion did. that is another straw man fallacy from you. the conversation has sometimes only been about christianity, and sometimes about religion in general. you are picking out what suits and putting it where you please. something being self-evident doesn't stop a quack (look in your mirror) from denying it. you can deny that the sun rises in the east. that doesn't stop it from being self-evident.
@SuburbiaSurvivor 9/11 was caused By Religon. The fact it was caused by muslims is semantics. The cause behind it is religon. Slyjokerg isn't ignorant,everyone knows muslims and 'Allahu Akbar' was behind 9/11. I could name a huge number of atrocities directly linked to Christianity. The Taiping rebellion,there's just one. Directlly due to Christianity.20 million dead,mostly civilians. That's one atrocity due to Christianity.
@dianalee84 I'm not arguing that 9/11 wasn't caused by religion. I'm saying it wasn't caused by biblical christianity.
Problem: You name Christians who committed atrocities. Horrible, yes. But you haven't shown that the bible actually supports or even condones these atrocities. Until then, your examples are irrelevant to this debate.
@SuburbiaSurvivor as diana put it so well, anyone can find justification for anything in the bible. you continue to operate under the presumption that your take on the bible is "correct." AGAIN, you have no more veracity in saying so than anyone else does. regardless of what YOU think of someone's interpretation, MANY people have declared that the bible DOES support the committing of their horrific acts. and they have just as much right in declaring what "true christianity" is as you do.
So your "argument" is that christians are no different than anyone else when it comes to committing horrible atrocities, but the bible has no influence on that. I agree. Reading the bible is a waste of time....
@geezusispan But it was fun reading when I found one as a kid..'Do people really believe this stuff,Dad? That god orders people to make poo bread? You ever see Michealangelos Horned Moses? That's because christians thought jews had horns.Religon..You couldn't make this up if you tried,could you?
@SuburbiaSurvivor The contras in El Salvador committed a large number of atrocities in the civil war. But they were seen as 'Chirstians fighting the ungawdly commies' I was a mere child at the time,but remember the accounts of refugees fleeing the fighting,and tales of rape/ killing of civilians by contras. The contras.. Phyliss Schafly sent bibles+ breathmints to? Oliver North sent tons of weapons to them(after congress voted no,he did it illegally)in xchange for cocaine to pump into black Con,
@SuburbiaSurvivor Con. black neighborhoods. The Only reason that North sent weapons,and Phyliss sent BIBLES(there's a hint!) was the contras were 'christians fightin' those ungawdly commies! Despite having gawd and those bibles and mints on their side,the contras lost,and the Sandanista governments in power in El Salvador.
@SuburbiaSurvivor Anyone who can read knows muslims were behind 9/11. Slyjokerg obviously can read.His point was Religon,and the rifts between christians/jews/muslims were the cause behind 9/11. And the massacre at Quarantina,and the killings on the Gaza strip,the crusades..all in the name of the invisible sky daddy,and whose daddy is going to beatup whose. Christian thinking that women are inferior led to thousands of boys being castrated for the R.C.C,and the popes. con.
@dianalee84 as the great george carlin described it, "do you believe in god? no?" BOOM dead. "do YOU believe in god? yes? do you believe in MY god? no?" BOOM dead.
@slyjokerg Now I challenge you to stop using words you don't know the meaning of, stop claiming you have some superior knowledge on logic (because clearly you do not. And if what you consider to be logic is what is taught in our schools, we're all doomed). Stop asserting that true Christianity is arbitrary (anything contradicting biblical text is false Christianity). And actually prove that there is a logical connection between Christianity and the atrocities you mentioned and Christianity.
@SuburbiaSurvivor LOL. the person that needs to stop using words for which they don't have grasp of meaning, is you, kid. you need to stop talking entirely, actually. the CLAIM of what true christianity is, is arbitrary, equivocator/straw man builder. LOL. you can't prove what it is, because it is a personal conclusion and assessment. your analysis and assertion has no more veracity than anyone else's. and i don't have to prove that christianity did anything. it is established.
@SuburbiaSurvivor Christianity Is arbitrary..Henry Tudor told Catherine of Aragon..'I can find 1,000 reasons in the bible that attest our marriage wrong in the eyes of god.' to which she answered..'And My theologians can find 1,000 reasons in the same bible that will contradict them,and prove our marrige true in the eyes of god'..You can find justifications for Anything in the bible,from eating poo(Ezekial 4-9)or killing women who wear pants.It's a funny book,too bad people take it seriously.
@SuburbiaSurvivor you are like a person screaming for proof the holocaust was real, or that the earth is spherical. i don't have any obligation to prove such established facts. clamoring for proof of such things is the childish game of a troll. EVERYONE knows the inquisition was caused by religion, for instance. it isn't debatable to any remotely honest, rational person with ANY education, any more than the fact that george washington was the first president of the united states. grow up.
@Suburbia "B) Disagreement on the definition of the meaning of a text does not render that text arbitrary. It just means people disagree on what that text actually means. Essentially, the difference between most sects within the church are simply different styles." LMAO. first, straw man. i didn't say that the text is arbitrary, liar. you completely pulled that out of your ass. i said that a person claiming what true christianity is is arbitrary, in that it is matter of who you ask. CONT..
@slyjokerg You said true Christianity is arbitrary. I said true christianity is based solely on biblical text, which is not arbitrary. The only way for true Christianity to be arbitrary would be for the text to be arbitrary. Obviously this is not so.
How is this possible? Text only reads one way. Love your neighbor does not mean hate your neighbor. It's impossible. True Christianity is based on biblical text. Not interpretation of it.
Are you sure you've been a logic teacher? I don't see it.
@SuburbiaSurvivor i said that ONE'S ASSERTION OF WHAT 'TRUE CHRISTIANITY' IS IS ARBITRARY, liar. another straw man. that is a matter of 100% opinion. that is what makes it arbitrary. if i ask you, you can say it is abc. someone else might tell me it is xyz. it is arbitrary because the person you ask can have any interpretation and view they choose. the text reads in a BILLIONS ways. LOL. that is why there is MORE THAN ONE CHRISTIAN DENOMINATION, you idiot. are you really this stupid?
@slyjokerg No, you said true Christianity is arbitrary. Because it is based on one's assertions. My case is not on assertions, but on true christianity. True Christianity is based on the uniformity of biblical text.
Prove biblical text reads a billion ways. Give one example. Good luck.
I know there are multiple denominations. I never made a claim that there weren't.
@SuburbiaSurvivor no, i said that anyone saying they know what true christianity is is arbitrary. you are speaking tautologically "My case is not on assertions, but on true christianity." that is a claim that presupposes its own authenticity. i already gave examples of how the bible can be and is interpreted in multiple ways, kiddo. here's another, "spare the rod, spoil the child" is construed to mean MANY different things. your interpretation is no more valid than anyone else's.
@SuburbiaSurvivor "love your neighbor" is not "true christianity" itself, you dink. LOL. it is ONE PHRASE. true christianity is whatever someone says it is. you have no more power to define it than anyone else. you don't seem to grasp that. "love your neighbor" can be interpreted in a million way, ffs. does it mean, "give them all your food if they ask for it"? does it mean, "just don't do anything mean to them"? it can mean ANYTHING.
@slyjokerg Your definition of true christianity is false. Christianity is defined as "The religion derived from Jesus Christ, based on the Bible as sacred scripture, and professed by Eastern, Roman Catholic, and Protestant bodies." Thus true christianity is based not on whatever someone says, but what the bible says.
No, it could not mean anything. "Love your neighbor" could not mean "hate your neighbor" or "kill your neighbor" or "slander your neighbor", etc.
Shut the fuck all of you's honestly. Abortion is a life decision and it is perfectly fine. I had an abortion BECAUSE I could of died keeping it. You think you know shit but you don't.. People who have abortion find it sad themselves. Some people just need it because they are medically ill.
MrTotodile2000 2 days ago
hey wtf?a though this will be abortion the metal band not some christian shit.KILL KILL KILL HUMANITY YEEEAH DESTROY ALL OF US
necroporn666 3 days ago
dianalee84 is quite obviously a man-hating, Catholic-hating, America-hating, everyone-hating barrel of fun !! so she travels overseas a bunch, is enlightened and smarter than the rest of us, but as she contends, she still looks good in a bathing-suit ! good for you, girl. if abortion is cool with you just cuz "a child is killed every 5 hours by a parent" (not sure where that stat came from), it should be quite fine that we systematically abort our young. this chick has issues.
cjahrens 4 days ago
@cjahrens
I call that creature DiarrheaLee84 (because of the liquid dung that pours from his/her/it's/other's poisoned fingers) - you might want to pop over to Father Pavone's video titled "Abortion - This is a Suction Abortion" and see what else he/she/it/other has posted.
Truly nasty stuff indeed - a real hater who pretends to be nice - but then pours venom on anyone who posts a pro-life comment.
Merlin2Stage2Speed 3 days ago
@Merlin2Stage2Speed And you want to have women who've had abortions put in jail..That makes You a 'nice person?'
dianalee84 1 day ago
@Merlin2Stage2Speed I have alot of respect for some of the prolifers on 'suction'..Dave, who's stance on abortion/B.C I totally disagree with, but he's always a gentleman,never makes personal insults,to even some really nasty attacks to him by prochoicers,I have alot of respect for Dave. Jazz, who's stance again I disagree with, but he's obviously a kind hearted man,I've never written anything much before I started posting on 'suction' and jazz was very kind about my obvious lack of any CON
dianalee84 11 hours ago
@Merlin2Stage2Speed con JAZZ was really kind about my lack of education,and wrote something to me which helped me,and meant alot to me.I admire Kirsties honesty about her personal life and children,/family matters about abortion/euthanasia,despite some prochoicers making hateful and cruel comments.All you've ever done is make personal attacks on me, that make no sense.First,I'm driven by greed and make $ posting for the abortion industry.Next,I'm a commie.Then you accuse me of being another CON
dianalee84 11 hours ago
@Merlin2Stage2Speed CON prochoicer because we have a similar name.You call me unpatriotic,I love my great country the USA. Then you call me a liar, about something I'd never have said.I know alot of women have terrible feelings of guilt about having an abortion,I'd never say otherwise.Many women just feel relief, people are different. You've called me a NAZI, my family members,male and female served in WW11,I took up skydiving in honor of my Paratrooper GrandPa. All you do is personal insults,
dianalee84 10 hours ago
@cjahrens I love being an American I love my country, my Grandparents were all immigrants from Austria,the UK, and Russia and were very gratefull to become USA ctizens.I have a 'made in the USA' tattoo on the back of my neck.I'm a proud NYC born and bred
dianalee84 1 day ago
@cjahrens 'parent or carer' in the USA, and that came from various USA government websites.It was the statsic given when the police released the photos in the baby Briana case.
dianalee84 1 day ago
@cjahrens ...'Man hating' huh? catholic hating,' well I Do hate your religons chosing to protect and spread child rapists across the globe,but I have a feeling I'm not alone in that.I think all religons are equally superstitios (my spelling!) and stupid, but on the global child rape thing,the R.C.C stands alone.
dianalee84 1 day ago
@cjahrens Your R.C.C castrated tens of thousands of boys(many more died from the operation) for the vatican choir,burned people alive for imaginary crimes,took money from sick people and told them touching some 'reliq' ie. bit of a dead person, told them they'd be cured,let rich people pay 'indulgences' to overlook their sins..gee,why would anyone find that That immoral! Imagine that?!
dianalee84 1 day ago
@cjahrens HA HA HA The 'Holy Prepuce' that was a relic of the R.C.C ..Jesus's Foreskin1 And you people had 18 of them! I couldn't make this shit up if I tried! The blessed end of Jesus's Penis..Aw, gotta thankyou for all the laughs, tho. And the christians spirituals, with the hair shirts, whipping themselves and poo eating,truth is stranger than fiction,huh?
dianalee84 1 day ago
i hope you will consider protecting and helping our weakest brothers.
felicetanka 1 week ago
sad,you priests.was in the hospital.and you guys told me.I would go to hell for what I did,you are the sick ones ,with your fancy gold robes ,on and on.I HATE CATHILICS.i DONT BELIVE IN LATE TERMN ABORTION.BUT EARLY YES.YOU PREISTS ARE SICK.THERES NO BREATHING SOUND YOU ASSHOLE.
yvonnespearing 1 week ago
father pavone is a trained mathematician when it comes to logic and intelligence he is a heavy-weight.
felicetanka 1 week ago
@felicetanka Trained mathematician? Couldn't balance the books for 'Priests for Life' tho,could he? He also has a really warped view of female sexuality. Read some of his thoughts on women using contraception and having sex for pleasure.Total whore/madonna complex.
dianalee84 1 week ago
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humans are disgusting
Ezldor 1 week ago
l'aborto è un diritto
RenhetTNBM 2 weeks ago
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When you said, "Seek My Face," My heart said, " Your face, Lord, I will seek. Do not hide Your face from me; Do not turn Your servant away in anger; You have been my help; Do not leave me nor forsake me, O God of my salvation. When my father and my mother forsake me, Then they Lord will take care of me. Teach me Your way, O Lord, And lead me in a smooth path, because of my enemies. Do not deliver me to the will of my adersaries; For false witnesses have risen against me. Psalms 27:8-12
mjt19741 2 weeks ago
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"We claimed that between five and ten thousand women a year died of botched abortions. The actual figure was closer to 200 to 300 and we also claimed that there were a million illegal abortions a year in the United States and the actual figure was close to 200,000. So, we were guilty of massive deception." -Bernard Nathanson a founder of National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL).
Pro-abortion refuse to see that the fetus is a human being and we have no business massacring it.
mjt19741 2 weeks ago
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Happy Pro-Choice New Year Everyone!
mylittlekittens 3 weeks ago
you know how hard it is to perform an abortion like that? it takes a lot of skill. of course they would applaud!
payasoinfeliz 1 month ago
U lay there with no protection knowing what u r doing man up grow up take care of the child u made or do adoption only way u should be able to have one is if u r raped or the baby has so many problems they will never make it
tboyko2006 1 month ago
@tboy using protection is not a prerequisite for being free. & u are ignorant in assuming that a woman that wants an abortion didn't use protection. u are exposing a desire to punish her for having sex in a way u don't like. adoption is not an alternative to abortion. it does not end a pregnancy, nor prevent childbirth. abortion does. and ty ... you answered my question already. you think that abortion should be allowed if the woman/girl was raped. what is your basis for being against abortion?
slyjokerg 1 month ago
All abortions should be illegal
tboyko2006 1 month ago
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@tboyko2006 "All abortions should be illegal." you are free to have w/e opinions you choose. i disagree and assert that freedom and liberty are the most important elements of life. if you don't have them after being born, then being born is stripped of value. as a side note, i wonder if you really think all abortions should be illegal. even for a 13 yo girl that was gang raped?
slyjokerg 1 month ago
if the most important freedoms and rights can be stripped from you once you are born alive, then being born alive is stripped of value. slyjokerg 1:1
slyjokerg 1 month ago
sucking th brains out, wtf......
nalaskingdom 1 month ago in playlist ABUSED
@nalaskingdom why does the method matter? would you be ok with some other method?
slyjokerg 1 month ago
Abortion is just wrong...
sararudd92 1 month ago
@sararudd92 you have every right to your opinion. millions disagree.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
this is illegal today
and i am pro-choice and this is wrong
why cant they just birth it lol
ANYWAY , yeah so....this is ILLEGAL, but if your DYING and the baby will DIE is legal..which makes sense
yeah
lilly1720 1 month ago
@lilly1720 "why cant they just birth it lol" that is the wrong question. they can. they choose not to. it isn't about "can," from the moment a woman is aware of being pregnant. she CAN take the pregnancy to term from that instant, knowing of it. that isn't the issue. the issue is about the freedom to not do it.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
Thank you, to the Doctors who perform abortions. To the Doctors who were murdered by pro-life, mentally ill creatures. You died because you believed females had the right to own their bodies, and for that, you will never be forgotten, thank you. To the females who have abortions, may we always remain free, may we never be owned by another, may we always fight to free other females.!!!!! FREEDOM FOREVER.!!!!!
Skaramoosh5 1 month ago
The women who have these abortions are sick people! The doctors who do them are even worse!
Jessica11784 1 month ago
CHILDBIRTH IS MURDER.!!!!!
Skaramoosh5 1 month ago
By using the word “abortion,” by itself, instead of the short phrase “crime of abortion” or “abortion genocide,” you miss the chance to succinctly reinforce the concept of what “abortion” truly is. Never say "abortion" by itself. Always say the CRIME of abortion.
The cowardly murder of the innocent in the womb is never an acceptable option for a rational and civilized, truly progressive people.
The crime of abortion is a hate crime against Humanity. Combat it! Oppose it! Outlaw it!
UnaVoceMiami 1 month ago
@UnaVoceMiami In the biblical times, there was no surgical abortions for women that were unable to provide for the conceptions that they were carrying. However, it was ok to kill the children AFTER they were born!! Go figure........
Psalms 137, “Happy is he who dashes the infants upon the rocks.”
mylittlekittens 1 month ago
@mylittlekittens You have absolutely no clue what context that verse was in, huh? Let me guess, you saw it on twitter. Try reading the rest of the passage.
Next time you try using the bible against the Pro-Life movement, do yourself a favor and actually read the thing.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor I was raised Catholic, I was warned against reading the bible.
mylittlekittens 1 month ago
@mylittlekittens In that case, go read the passage.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor I'm too busy looking up the passages where Jesus specifically speaks out against abortion. I tell you when I find them.
mylittlekittens 1 month ago
@mylittlekittens He speaks out against murder. Murder is the killing of innocent human life. You do the math.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor Jesus was speaking to his apostles, male students, and had no references to pregnant women. Why? Because it was none of his business! Jesus was good that way.
mylittlekittens 1 month ago
@mylittlekittens Actually, if you knew Hebrew, you'd know he was speaking to both males and females.
Murder implies all murder. He didn't say "Well guys, some murder is bad. But other murder isn't so bad."
None of his business? Neither was the Jewish Holocaust, neither was slavery. Does that make it right? No.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor I don't speak Hebrew. And Jesus didn't say anything about abortion or the Jewish Holocaust? Maybe he thought they would go after him first! 0_0
mylittlekittens 1 month ago
@mylittlekittens Abortion and the Jewish Holocaust were murder. He spoke out against murder. Therefore he spoke out against abortion and the Jewish Holocaust.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor You are definitely reading to much into it. Jesus, it appears, had no problem with death, and even volunteered to be "murdered." Probably didn't help that he was Jewish either.
mylittlekittens 1 month ago
@mylittlekittens Yeah. Except of course he chose to sacrifice himself to save mankind from eternal suffering. If you don't think Jesus was against murder you should probably read the bible again. He said even someone who has hated their neighbor is guilty of murder.
Your argument is invalid.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor In that case, an embryo can be sacrificed to save its mother's life, and discontinue her suffering, which is valid if she is not ready or willing to become a mother. You cannot offer any good reasons to force a woman to continue a pregnancy that she wasn't planning on or one that is complicated.
mylittlekittens 1 month ago
@mylittlekittens Nice try, but it's only sacrifice if the child chooses to die to save his mother's life. Obviously that is not is impossible. Very simple.
Umm. Yes. Murder is wrong. I can't kill you, you shouldn't be able to kill your kid. It's morally fubar.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@mylittlekittens Killing your child to discontinue your suffering is equivalent to the time when people would sacrifice their children to the god "Molech" by throwing their first born children into a pit of fire.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor He didn't choose to die, the jewish people chose him to die, it was between him and another guy, and they chose him. People are still suffering, so it didn't really make much difference, did it.
Skaramoosh5 1 month ago
@Skaramoosh5 >.< Have you read the bible? Jesus allowed himself to be taken! He knew he was going to be killed, and he allowed it. He frequently alluded that he was going to sacrifice himself. If Jesus didn't want to die, he could've easily chosen to live instead.
Babies don't sacrifice themselves. They get killed by abortionists.
You know this is all eugenics right? Racial cleansing, depopulation etc. It's just got another name now. "Planned Parenthood".
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor Why would a woman who is unprepared to be a mother be accused of racial cleansing? Sounds pretty stupid if you ask me.As far a depopulation, a woman ending her pregnancy has the same effect as a woman that never got pregnant in the first place.
mylittlekittens 1 month ago
@mylittlekittens Planned Parenthood its roots in racial cleansing. Just look it up. Margaret was a hardcore racist.
If a women is unprepared to be a mother, she can give her child up for adoption. Plus what we considered to be "prepared to be a mother" is only relevant to the american stereotype of living.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor adoption is not an alternative to abortion. adoption is an alternative to keeping a born being and raising it. abortion is an alternative to taking a pregnancy to term and giving birth. adoption doesn't end a pregnancy, nor prevent birth. abortion does both.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg Sure, if you want to get technical.
My point is: The alternative to abortion is not killing your kid. You don't have to raise it yourself. You can adopt it.
Very simple.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@Suburbia technical? LOL. it is LITERALLY what abortion does. it IS why abortion is performed... to end a pregnancy and prevent childbirth. NOT aborting (in lieu of a miscarriage), means you are opting to take the pregnancy to term and give birth. THAT is the choice. those are the two options. adoption is a later potential choice/option. it doesn't end a pregnancy, nor prevent birth. AFTER you give birth, THEN you have the option of adoption OR keeping it and raising it. separate issues.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg Yes, you have a choice. Obviously. I'm not saying you don't currently have the choice to have an abortion.
My argument is that it is a choice that no one should have.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
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@SuburbiaSurvivor "Yes, you have a choice. Obviously. I'm not saying you don't currently have the choice to have an abortion. My argument is that it is a choice that no one should have." actually, i personally have no choice at all, since i am male. but yes, the legal choice exists, and always should. to strip someone of the most personal, intimate freedom and liberty is the most intolerable violation of a person's life, being, body, and self.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor I read it eons ago. i just thought Pontius Pilate gave the people a choice between Jesus and some other guy, and they chose him. I've never understood just what he was sacrificing himself for, as nothing as changed by doing so, would it have not been better him staying alive. If God didn't want females to have abortions, he should have given the womb to men.!!! Eugenics my arse.
Skaramoosh5 1 month ago
@Skaramoosh5 Yes, but that was only after Jesus chose to be sacrificed.
How can you say nothing has changed? Thousands of things have changed. Prove nothing has changed. I dare you.
And? How would men having wombs change a thing?
Don't believe me? Check this out:
"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."-Margaret Sanger
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor So Jesus committed suicide by proxy. I thought suicide was a sin. Not of to a good start is he.!!!!! Things have changed, really. 1. There is still rape. 2. there is still murder. 3. there is still sex trafficking. 4. There is still Pedo's. 5. There is still famine. 6. there is still drought. 7. there is still disease. 8. there is still no equality....etc. I really don't think a race will be exterminated because of abortion. Some people should be taken out the Gene pool though
Skaramoosh5 1 month ago
@Skaramoosh5 No. Self-sacrifice is completely different then suicide. Self-sacrifice is self-less, suicide is selfish.
So there are still horrible things going on in the world, therefore nothing has changed? I do believe that is a logical fallacy. You must prove that christianity has done NOTHING whatsoever, and thus changed nothing.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor But he died for no reason, so there was no sacrifice. Suicide is not selfish, a lot of people have mental issues, some people cannot live with the loss of a loved one/child, so it's unfair to say that. Christianity, is the cause of most of the problems, wars, death, Pedo's, rape, murder, are you shitting me. Without religion, i know for sure, women and children would have better lives. let's face it, he died for nothing. You tell me, what his death changed.
Skaramoosh5 1 month ago
@Skaramoosh5 you bring up a point that i have often exposed. what exactly did "dying for our sins" DO? what exactly in our lives is affected by the "fact" that jesus died for our sins? how exactly does that manifest itself in our day to day lives? what does it actually do? i have never seen/heard anyone explain that. why do they grant such honor to a meaningless notion? he died for our sins... AND? what if he hadn't? what would change?
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg Exactly..... I see signs in churches, Jesus died for you.... In what way, did he die for me. How have our lives improved because Jesus died. Now if Jesus dying, stopped child rape, then, yes that would have been the best sacrifice ever. He died for our sins, so we can do anything we want, and Jesus will take the blame, cool. If you ever get an answer, be sure to let me know. If he had of lived, maybe religion would have died out. One can dream.!!!
Skaramoosh5 1 month ago
@Skaramoosh5 what i am talking about is more direct and finite. if jesus died for our sins, i want to know why exactly i am supposed to be grateful. what does it even mean? how is my life improved by it? does jesus dying for my sins magically fill my gas tank every morning? no. can i chop someone up with a machete, and then in court simply assert that jesus died for my sins, so i don't have to go to jail? of course not. so what exactly is the manifestation, even for a believer?
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@Skaramoosh5 Died for no reason? Sure, I guess if you count reconciling all of mankind into eternal joy no reason.
Christianity is the cause of most problems? Really. That's news to me. How is a belief system that advocates loving one another, loving enemies, giving selflessly, and non-violence the cause of wars, death, pedo's, rape, and murder?
I'm extremely interested to hear what you have to say.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor first, your anaysis of christianity is quite finely cherry picked observance. it has caused the deaths of countless people throughout its history. it has SPECIFICALLY caused wars. and it can easily be argued that is HAS caused "pedos". to this day it causes great harm. it is the foundation for a ton of gay bashing and the denial of equal rights. it is also the source of such things as condemnation of condom use, which is deemed as WORSE than aids. unconscionable. CONT...
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg Cherry picking observance? Elaborate. Christianity, the heart of it, has not caused countless deaths. People (such as the pope) misguiding, misquoting, and misrepresenting christianity have been the cause of countless deaths. Christianity itself is completely against pedophiles. Gay bashing is contradictory to the heart of christian faith. Christians are against all pre-marital sex. Though there is nothing that says christians should impose their beliefs on others.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor yes, christianity has caused countless deaths and many other horrors. perhaps you have heard of the inquistion, the crusades, and the endeavor to keep people from using condoms, even though it causes people to suffer and die from aids all around the globe, particularly africa. and you have no more basis to assert what "true" christianity is than anyone else. there are millions of christians that are NOT against pre-marital sex, & millions that DO wish to impose their beliefs.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg Christianity itself caused none of these. Because the heart of christianity is against the inquisition, the crusades, and keeping people from using condoms. (Plus, I believe 2 (3?) in 100 condoms fail, so they're not very reliable in the first place)
Of course I do. I base true Christianity on the scriptures. What else would I base it on?
Where are these millions not against pre-marital sex? Being against something doesn't mean imposing your beliefs on others.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor christianity itself was the direct cause of those things. ffs. are you serious? you saying "the heart of christianity is..." has no bearing. the people that did/do those horrific things have every bit the grounds to assert they are acting according to christianity as you do to say they aren't. "true christianity" is nothing but an opinion. CONT...
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg How was christianity itself the cause of those things? True christianity is what is said in the scriptures. Anything other then that is false christianity. The heart of christianity is found in the scriptures. Misintepreting, taking out of context, or just making religious concepts up is the main cause of christians causing suffering.
You need to realize that the religion a person claims to follow does not guarantee that person will actually follow it.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor you keep asserting that people operated under false christianity. again, you have no more place saying what is "true" christianity than anyone else. anyone else can say YOU are misinterpreting the scriptures and taking things out of context, or making religious concepts up. christianity caused what it caused, whether you think it was bogus, or they think your spiel is bogus. it is a non-issue.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg Sure, I could be wrong. But you are operating under the premise that true christianity is based on opinion. And that true christianity does not exist. How is this possible? Prove it. There is one teaching that the scriptures teach, and one only. Misinterpretation is possible, sure. But these writers only have a set list of meanings to the text they write down. "Do not murder" does not also mean "You can murder if you're pissed". It's impossible. There is only one true meaning.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor true christianity IS based on opinion. NO ONE can prove any of their silly religious beliefs. that makes it arbitrary and subjective, merely depending on who you ask. i have nothing to prove. YOU DO. you are claiming to know what true christianity is. that means you have to substantiate it. you can't. you simply don't understand that your assertion of what "true christianity" is has no more veracity than anyone else's. you have to comprehend the basic reality of that.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg You claim true christianity it arbitrary because it is only based on opinion. Prove it. There's only one meaning and teaching of the bible. The bible is not contradictory. If it were, it would be arbitrary. Or if it were ambiguous. But it is not. Your claim that true christianity is arbitrary is groundless.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor LOL. it is self-evident. YOUR CLAIM of what true christianity is is nothing but your personal view. it is on you to prove that what you claim it is is a fact. you can't do that, which makes it no more valid than anyone else's claim. there are COUNTLESS meaning and teachings of the bible. wtf are you talking about "only one"? LMAO. do live in a cave? and the bible has COUNTLESS contradictions, ffs. the creation of eve even has more than one story LMAO.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg Definition of self-evident: "Evident without proof or argument". If it were self-evident. We wouldn't be having this conversation.
No, my personal view could actually be wrong. True christianity is not based on my opinion. I base my opinion on what the scripture says. If my opinion of true christianity is based on scripture. That opinion is true christianity. If my opinion opposes scripture my opinion is not true christianity.
Make sense?
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@Sub it IS self-evident. you denying a simple fact doesn't mean it isn't self-evident. you could deny that 9 is more than 8, but it is self-evidently true, by definition. YOUR view of what "true christianity" is IS based on your opinion.. it IS your opinion. anyone else can say THEIR view of true christianity is based on scripture. you saying that doesn't grant your assertions any more validity than anyone else's. they can say YOUR opinion opposes scripture. and no, you don't make sense.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg What contradictions are there in the bible? Name one. Go.
The creation of eve has more then one story? How so and prove it.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor genesis 1:27 says adam and eve were created at the same time and says nothing about adam's rib being used. genesis 2:18-22 says that adam was created first, then the animals, THEN eve was created of adam's rib. whoops! there are a zillion contradictions and laughable falsehoods. an eye for an eye and a zillion other instances of killing not only being ok, but ordered. VS "thou shalt not kill." and how about the earth being created in 6 days, 6000 years ago? LMAO "name one."
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg You assert that true christianity is arbitrary. I disagree with you 100%. I see no proof nor logical reasoning for why that would be true. That would involve that the bible has no meaning, and can be interpreted whichever way, and is true in all cases. This would be like me interpreting "2+2=4" as meaning "2+2=5" and both statements being true.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor you simply don't get it. "true christianity" is a 100% opinion. that means it is subjective, which makes it arbitrary in someone listening to a person assert what it means. if i listen to you, it means one thing, and if i listen to someone else, it can mean another. it can't be proven or disproven, because it is ALL baseless nonsense, and not like compaing 2+2=4 which is factual, to 2+2=5.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg The true meaning of christianity is factual. You study what biblical text says, and understand it. It's not arbitrary. Sure, interpretation can be arbitrary. But the true meaning of the text is not arbitrary. There is only one meaning to phrases such as "Love your neighbor as yourself" and 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". "Love your neighbor as yourself" can not mean "Tell all the fags they're going to hell". It's impossible.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor no, the meaning of christianity is NOT factual, aside from believing in jesus. that is what makes someone a christian, by definition. biblical texts MEANS NOTHING. first, you can't substantiate your biblical assertions WITH THE BIBLE ITSELF. LOL. that is circular reasoning. second, you miss the point again. anyone else can refer to the bible and say it means DIFFERENT things than you claim. and "love thy neighbor" is in the same book as "fags are going to hell." you are dense.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg How is the meaning of what true christianity is, not factual? Either the bible says one thing, or another. You can be saved and not understand true christianity. Biblical texts mean nothing in your opinion. There are multiple historic and texts that support biblical accounts. Not to mention archaeological finds, etc. Sure, anyone can say the bible means a different thing. But that doesn't mean their interpretation is true. If your statement were true, all text would be arbitrary.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@Subur you keep saying the same ridiculous shit. the bible says COUNTLESS directly contradictory things, and that doesn't even get into the zillions of different interpretations of single items. it doesn't matter what i think about it. true christianity is a matter of 100% personal assessment. and no, there are NO historic texts or archaelogical finds that substantiate THE SUPERNATURAL claims of the bible. the issue is "true christianity." your definition has no more power than anyone else's.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg What contradictions are there in the bible? Name one thing that can be interpreted differently.
Really? Dozens of religions have a story about a great flood. I call that supernatural. As far as historical accounts, Admonitions of Ipuwer, describes the Egyption plagues.
My definition has plenty of power if it is based on scripture. If not, then it is powerless.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor without me even naming any contradictions, which i already did, the fact that there are baptists, catholics, episcopalians, lutherans, and every other sect SELF-EVIDENTLY demonstrates that there are MANY different interpretations of the bible, you dink. LOL. and your "definition" has no power, because it can't be proven to be any more right or true and than anyone else's. all of you think that your version is right, silly ass.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor CONT...ummm, just in the usa -> 300 million people. the strong majority are christians. a strong majority of those believe in AND HAVE sex without/before marriage. and yes, TONS of religious kooks think they should be able to impose their views on everyone else. and LOL@ "condoms aren't reliable" and basing it on your own assertion that they are not realiable because they only work 97-98% of the time. LOLOL how moronic. they should be used if it was only 12%, you idiot.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg What is your source for this survey? How do you know all of those 300 million people are true christians? How do you know those 300 million people have a true understanding of what christianity is? How do you know those 300 million people are acting out what true christianity is in their lives?
What strong majority? What age groups? How is this relevant?
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor i know that all of them are true christians because they assert they are. i have already explained how everyone has the same right to assert what a christian is supposed to believe or do. a religious belief system that involves belief in jesus being the son of god, etc... makes you a christian. and there are COUNTLESS surveys, not just one. it is relevant because it directly debunks your claim that "true" christians think and do xyz. millions of christians disagree with you.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg That is a fallacious argument. That's like saying you know I am a cat because I assert that I am a cat.
Believing in Jesus, which makes you a God. And following true christianity are two different things. You can believe in Jesus, and kill your neighbor, and you can be an atheist and love your neighbor.
You're using the argument guilt by association which is a logical fallacy.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor LOL. you don't know what a fallacious argument IS. so don't accuse someone else of using one. your "cat" analogy is laughable. a cat is genetically feline. you are not genetically a christian. it is a mindset. saying you are DOES demonstrate that you are. and there is no guilt by association, dummy. there is guilt by GUILT. religion HAS been the cause of countless horrors. no association is needed, ffs. LOL. you are embarrasing yourself.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg Pardon me, I didn't know you were an expert on everything I know and don't know.
Being is not confined to genetics. You misunderstand the meaning of the word "being".
Saying you are is irrelevant.
Yes, you're using guilt by association. You're saying religion is the cause of all evil because people following a religion have caused countless horrors. That is a logical fallacy. You have to prove the religion ITSELF is the cause. That the religion calls for countless horrors.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor "Being is not confined to genetics." that depends on the person asked. some people DO think that being is only genetics. other's don't. some people think that a non-descript collection of cells is a human "being." others think that being alive is not all that "being" constitutes. NEVER IN MY LIFE HAVE I EVER SAID that religion is the cause of all evil. that is a gutless lie from you. and what i said was that RELIGION as a whole has been the cause of countless horrors. CONT..
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg The definition of being is existence. All things that exist are beings.
All embryos are descript because of their unique DNA. Your argument is invalid based on your own definition of a human being.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor "The definition of being is existence. All things that exist are beings." LOL. are you deepak chopra? that is idiotic. really? my keyboard is a being? i didn't didn't define "human being" btw. you are using straw men and equivocation fallacies. "being" can have many contemplations and definitions, and you don't get to state what someone else's is/are.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg It'st true. Look up the definition of being. Being is not confined to simply to being alive, though for organic beings it does. Yes, your keyboard is a being.
Sure. But I'm going by dictionary definition. And in political debate, that definition goes.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor LMAO. i love how you get to define the parameters of a political debate, and that you get to determine that it IS a political debate. comical.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor and embryos having unique dna does NOT make them descript. when you look at an embyo, there is no distinguishable characteristic from one to another.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg Definition of characteristic: "A feature that helps to identify, tell apart, or describe recognizably; a distinguishing mark or trait."
Unique DNA is a characteristic. Moving on...
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor you can't see dna by looking at a fetus or embryo, einstein. more silly, desperate, childish lingo games. looking at any embryo, it is not distinguishable in any practical sense from any other embryo. it is nondescript by comparison. moving on...
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg You can see it if you look at it with a microscope, crazy. Besides, characteristic isn't defined just by what you can see with your naked eye. Your rebuttal is void.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
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@SuburbiaSurvivor your idiocy knows know bounds. first, you can't see dna simply by looking under a microscope, dumbass. LOL. there is a process. second, examining things under a microscope is nowhere near the realm of what i mentioned as being non-descript. you are again trying to insert your meaning into someone else's content. that is equivocation, and it is the kind of silly, irrational, desperate tactic that people who are trying save face engage in. fail, big time.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor CONT.. and i don't have to prove a simple fact that is well established and known to all. the inquistion. the burning of women accused of being witches. tons of racist acts. 9/11. the crusades. the condemnation of condom usage. the mutilation of countless girls' genitalia. the shunning of family members. it is self-evident. "prove it" is a ridiculous, childish thing to say there. there is no logical fallacy from me. you don't even understand what that means, obviously.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg Here's you're fallacy. You lump racist acts, 9/11, the crusades, the condemnation of condom use, etc. into one big pile marked "religion", then you assume that all religions are the cause of these countless crimes. That's called Guilt By Association. Christianity, itself, the religion based on biblical text, is not the cause of these acts.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor "lumping" together things that have been caused by religion is not a fallacy, kiddo. and you made up another lie. i NEVER said or implied that all religions are responsible for all acts. you are the one employing fallacy and fallacy. you don't have a functional understanding of what they even are. it is not a fallacy to state a fact. religion AS A WHOLE, FACTUALLY, has been the cause of countless horrors. that is not guilt by association. that is guilt by guilt.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg No, I'm not saying the fallacy was in lumping things together. I'm saying your fallacy was essentially in stereotyping all religions as being the cause of countless horrors because certain people claiming to follow a certain religion caused these horrors.
That is guilt by association.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor religion as a general reality is responsible for countless horros. i never said that all religions are equally responsible, or even that every religion is guilty. christianity is the most responsible, however. i committed no fallacy. u misconstruing someone else's substance doesn't create a fallacy from them. there is no guilt by association contention. i stated facts and did not even imply that any and all anything or anyone is guilty of something by virtue of past events.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor "Christianity, itself, the religion based on biblical text, is not the cause of these acts." and yes, christianity itself has been the cause of many of the horrible acts for which religion in general is responsible. you simply deny reality. the people that committed them had the exact same veracity for their claims they were operating under scripture, as you do to claim you are.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg Prove biblical text advocates the horrible acts you speak of.
I don't deny reality. I deny illogical and unproven assumptions coming from alleged logic teachers who have dysfunctional Caps Lock buttons.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor "prove it" is more and more childish each time you say it. it is well known and established that the acts i speak of were the result of christians asserting righteousness. it doesn't matter if YOU don't think the bible advocates any of it. that's your opinion. there's was different. "unproven assumptions" is redundant, dumbass. and nothing i have said has been illogical. you know nothing about the field.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg Show me in the bible where it says we can burn women accused of being witches, be racist, fly planes into buildings, allow crusades, and mutilate women's genitilia (Also, that's Islam. You need to research your religions). Can't find it, huh? Only verses condemning that sort of thing. Why? Because it's evil. It's against true christianity, which is based on biblical text.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@Sub LMAO. well, having slaves is a pretty good demonstration of racism, wouldn't you say? LOL. are you really going to try to say that the bible doesn't support racism if it doesn't literally say "god supports racism."???? REALLY? people took and take the bible's words and decide what they mean, just like you do. and i didn't say it was christianity that orders the removal of a girl's clitoris. you made shit up again. there are countless portions of the bible that justify horrors.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg It is not an established fact that christianity was the cause of all these things. You need to prove christianity was the cause of those things. Until then your argument is void.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor LOL. yep. utter denial. it is 100% established that christianity caused all of the things i mentioned christianity as causing. you are either the most ignorant christian on earth, or just won't admit anthing that doesn't suit you. i don't need to prove any well known, already long ago established facts. being childish and irrational doesn't help you. i don't need to prove that the earth is spherical either, even if you assert it is not a fact until i personally prove it.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg You can dispense with the ad hominems. They clutter up your comments and make it look like you think I care. We used insults in middle school to bolster our arguments. Now we use clean logic. I don't demand you to show me maturity, but all of the ad hominems really are a waste of time for both of us.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor i haven't used any ad hominems. again, you don't know what a fallacy is. stop thumbing thru the list on w/e webpage you are using. an ad hominem is used IN PLACE OF substance. while calling you what you are and aptly and accurately depicting your comments, i have constantly filled my comments with substantive bases for what i am saying. that is not the usage of ad hominem, kiddo. i have TAUGHT logic. you are walking in a minefield. LOL
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg Anything that doesn't work 100% of the time isn't reliable. Condoms do fail. That's not an assertion. That's fact. I could cite pro-condom sources if you really want me to.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
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@SuburbiaSurvivor "Anything that doesn't work 100% of the time isn't reliable. Condoms do fail. That's not an assertion. That's fact. I could cite pro-condom sources if you really want me to." LMAO. you have rendered the word "reliable" completely meaningless. your perception of what "reliable" means is ridiculous and idiotic. something doesn't have to "work" 100% of the time to be reliable, dink. LOL
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg How do you know that millions of Christians wish to impose their beliefs on others? Do you know millions of Christians so intimately that you even know their thoughts?
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor everyone, not just i, knows that millions of christians wish to impose their views. it manifests itself all the time. i don't need to know all of them personally, retard. they state it. for instance, data shows that MILLIONS of christians think prayer in school should exist. you simply don't think well.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg Everyone knows this? Do you know everyone? It manifests itself ALL the time? Really? How so? We state it? All 300 million of us? That we want to impose our beliefs onto others? Wanting there to be prayer in schools doesn't equate to us imposing our beliefs on others. It just means we want to be allowed to pray in school. Religious freedom and all that.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor being irrationally pedantic and hyper-literal just makes you look childish and desperate. i didn't say "all 300 million of you," especially since a big chunk of the 300 million isn't with you. don't make shit up and don't try to absurdly misrepresent someone else's substance. and yes, wanting there to be prayer in school IS trying to impose your beliefs. you CAN pray all you want, in your head, kept to yourself. no one can stop you from doing it.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg A large portion of 300 million isn't with me on true christianity? How do you know this?
But what's wrong with praying out loud? Sounds like atheists are imposing their beliefs on Christians by forcing them to pray quietly! What happened to freedom of religion?
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor LMAO. sigh. because it is self-evidence and common knowledge. millions of people disagree with you on what YOU assert true christianity is. it is largely BY DEFINITION. baptists disagree with catholics, and every such distinction between sects is a BY DEFINITION disagreement. praying out loud IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS is wrong because it subjects everyone to it. atheists aren't imposing anything. you don't have to pray quietly, or at all. but you can. your freedom is intact.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg A) If it were self-evident, it would be self-evident to me. It is not. Therefore it is not self-evident. B) Disagreement on the definition of the meaning of a text does not render that text arbitrary. It just means people disagree on what that text actually means. Essentially, the difference between most sects within the church are simply different styles.
How does praying out loud in schools subject other people to prayer? You don't have to pray if someone else prays out loud.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor "A) If it were self-evident, it would be self-evident to me. It is not. Therefore it is not self-evident." LOLOLOL. umm, you saying that is not exactly compelling. you could also say that night is not self-evidently darker than day.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg Go look up the definition of self-evident. For a teacher of logic, you sure need to work on your logic.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor i don't need to look up "self-evident," thanks. i have known what it means for over 30 years. you need to take a beginner's course in logic.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg Then you know self-evident means it's evident to everyone. Like the sun is evident. No need for debate. The fact that so many disagree with you proves it's not self-evident.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@Suburbia LMAO. yes, the sun exists. that is evident. and something doesn't have to be currently visual or even tangible to be self-evident, crackhead. it is established fact that christianity IS responsible for the mentioned atrocities, and others. you denying reality doesn't change that, just like if you denied the sun exists it wouldn't make that any less true or self-evident. it IS self-evident, by any practical, intellectually honest assessment, that christianity has caused great horrors.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg Definition of self-evident:
"axiomatic: evident without proof or argument;"
Without argument. That means if it were self-evident, there would be no argument between us.
Prove christianity is responsible for all mentioned atrocities. (Even though 9/11 was caused by muslims, once again proving your ignorance on religion)
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
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@SuburbiaSurvivor i didn't say christianity caused 9/11. i said religion did. that is another straw man fallacy from you. the conversation has sometimes only been about christianity, and sometimes about religion in general. you are picking out what suits and putting it where you please. something being self-evident doesn't stop a quack (look in your mirror) from denying it. you can deny that the sun rises in the east. that doesn't stop it from being self-evident.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor 9/11 was caused By Religon. The fact it was caused by muslims is semantics. The cause behind it is religon. Slyjokerg isn't ignorant,everyone knows muslims and 'Allahu Akbar' was behind 9/11. I could name a huge number of atrocities directly linked to Christianity. The Taiping rebellion,there's just one. Directlly due to Christianity.20 million dead,mostly civilians. That's one atrocity due to Christianity.
dianalee84 1 month ago
@dianalee84 I'm not arguing that 9/11 wasn't caused by religion. I'm saying it wasn't caused by biblical christianity.
Problem: You name Christians who committed atrocities. Horrible, yes. But you haven't shown that the bible actually supports or even condones these atrocities. Until then, your examples are irrelevant to this debate.
Thank you for your input, however.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
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@SuburbiaSurvivor as diana put it so well, anyone can find justification for anything in the bible. you continue to operate under the presumption that your take on the bible is "correct." AGAIN, you have no more veracity in saying so than anyone else does. regardless of what YOU think of someone's interpretation, MANY people have declared that the bible DOES support the committing of their horrific acts. and they have just as much right in declaring what "true christianity" is as you do.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor
So your "argument" is that christians are no different than anyone else when it comes to committing horrible atrocities, but the bible has no influence on that. I agree. Reading the bible is a waste of time....
geezusispan 4 weeks ago
@geezusispan But it was fun reading when I found one as a kid..'Do people really believe this stuff,Dad? That god orders people to make poo bread? You ever see Michealangelos Horned Moses? That's because christians thought jews had horns.Religon..You couldn't make this up if you tried,could you?
dianalee84 3 weeks ago
@geezusispan Lol. No. That's not my argument.
SuburbiaSurvivor 3 weeks ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor The contras in El Salvador committed a large number of atrocities in the civil war. But they were seen as 'Chirstians fighting the ungawdly commies' I was a mere child at the time,but remember the accounts of refugees fleeing the fighting,and tales of rape/ killing of civilians by contras. The contras.. Phyliss Schafly sent bibles+ breathmints to? Oliver North sent tons of weapons to them(after congress voted no,he did it illegally)in xchange for cocaine to pump into black Con,
dianalee84 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor Con. black neighborhoods. The Only reason that North sent weapons,and Phyliss sent BIBLES(there's a hint!) was the contras were 'christians fightin' those ungawdly commies! Despite having gawd and those bibles and mints on their side,the contras lost,and the Sandanista governments in power in El Salvador.
dianalee84 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor Anyone who can read knows muslims were behind 9/11. Slyjokerg obviously can read.His point was Religon,and the rifts between christians/jews/muslims were the cause behind 9/11. And the massacre at Quarantina,and the killings on the Gaza strip,the crusades..all in the name of the invisible sky daddy,and whose daddy is going to beatup whose. Christian thinking that women are inferior led to thousands of boys being castrated for the R.C.C,and the popes. con.
dianalee84 1 month ago
@dianalee84 *"The moon is made of cheese"
Lol. Typo.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor Desire Not a multitude of unprofitable children ,Ecclesiasticus;16;1,Apocrypha
dianalee84 4 weeks ago
@dianalee84 as the great george carlin described it, "do you believe in god? no?" BOOM dead. "do YOU believe in god? yes? do you believe in MY god? no?" BOOM dead.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg Now I challenge you to stop using words you don't know the meaning of, stop claiming you have some superior knowledge on logic (because clearly you do not. And if what you consider to be logic is what is taught in our schools, we're all doomed). Stop asserting that true Christianity is arbitrary (anything contradicting biblical text is false Christianity). And actually prove that there is a logical connection between Christianity and the atrocities you mentioned and Christianity.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
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@SuburbiaSurvivor LOL. the person that needs to stop using words for which they don't have grasp of meaning, is you, kid. you need to stop talking entirely, actually. the CLAIM of what true christianity is, is arbitrary, equivocator/straw man builder. LOL. you can't prove what it is, because it is a personal conclusion and assessment. your analysis and assertion has no more veracity than anyone else's. and i don't have to prove that christianity did anything. it is established.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor Christianity Is arbitrary..Henry Tudor told Catherine of Aragon..'I can find 1,000 reasons in the bible that attest our marriage wrong in the eyes of god.' to which she answered..'And My theologians can find 1,000 reasons in the same bible that will contradict them,and prove our marrige true in the eyes of god'..You can find justifications for Anything in the bible,from eating poo(Ezekial 4-9)or killing women who wear pants.It's a funny book,too bad people take it seriously.
dianalee84 1 month ago
@slyjokerg And when you do, I will actually take your claims seriously. If not, there's no point in continuing this debate.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
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@SuburbiaSurvivor you are like a person screaming for proof the holocaust was real, or that the earth is spherical. i don't have any obligation to prove such established facts. clamoring for proof of such things is the childish game of a troll. EVERYONE knows the inquisition was caused by religion, for instance. it isn't debatable to any remotely honest, rational person with ANY education, any more than the fact that george washington was the first president of the united states. grow up.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
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@Suburbia "B) Disagreement on the definition of the meaning of a text does not render that text arbitrary. It just means people disagree on what that text actually means. Essentially, the difference between most sects within the church are simply different styles." LMAO. first, straw man. i didn't say that the text is arbitrary, liar. you completely pulled that out of your ass. i said that a person claiming what true christianity is is arbitrary, in that it is matter of who you ask. CONT..
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg You said true Christianity is arbitrary. I said true christianity is based solely on biblical text, which is not arbitrary. The only way for true Christianity to be arbitrary would be for the text to be arbitrary. Obviously this is not so.
How is this possible? Text only reads one way. Love your neighbor does not mean hate your neighbor. It's impossible. True Christianity is based on biblical text. Not interpretation of it.
Are you sure you've been a logic teacher? I don't see it.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor i said that ONE'S ASSERTION OF WHAT 'TRUE CHRISTIANITY' IS IS ARBITRARY, liar. another straw man. that is a matter of 100% opinion. that is what makes it arbitrary. if i ask you, you can say it is abc. someone else might tell me it is xyz. it is arbitrary because the person you ask can have any interpretation and view they choose. the text reads in a BILLIONS ways. LOL. that is why there is MORE THAN ONE CHRISTIAN DENOMINATION, you idiot. are you really this stupid?
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg No, you said true Christianity is arbitrary. Because it is based on one's assertions. My case is not on assertions, but on true christianity. True Christianity is based on the uniformity of biblical text.
Prove biblical text reads a billion ways. Give one example. Good luck.
I know there are multiple denominations. I never made a claim that there weren't.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago
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@SuburbiaSurvivor no, i said that anyone saying they know what true christianity is is arbitrary. you are speaking tautologically "My case is not on assertions, but on true christianity." that is a claim that presupposes its own authenticity. i already gave examples of how the bible can be and is interpreted in multiple ways, kiddo. here's another, "spare the rod, spoil the child" is construed to mean MANY different things. your interpretation is no more valid than anyone else's.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@SuburbiaSurvivor "love your neighbor" is not "true christianity" itself, you dink. LOL. it is ONE PHRASE. true christianity is whatever someone says it is. you have no more power to define it than anyone else. you don't seem to grasp that. "love your neighbor" can be interpreted in a million way, ffs. does it mean, "give them all your food if they ask for it"? does it mean, "just don't do anything mean to them"? it can mean ANYTHING.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@slyjokerg Your definition of true christianity is false. Christianity is defined as "The religion derived from Jesus Christ, based on the Bible as sacred scripture, and professed by Eastern, Roman Catholic, and Protestant bodies." Thus true christianity is based not on whatever someone says, but what the bible says.
No, it could not mean anything. "Love your neighbor" could not mean "hate your neighbor" or "kill your neighbor" or "slander your neighbor", etc.
SuburbiaSurvivor 1 month ago