I have nothing but respect for the Black Watch. They kicked our asses in New York, didn't stand in straight lines, and refused any medals because they believed they were fighting kinsmen, not enemy soldiers.
@TheTraumarama2 True true, except that as far as fighting in lines, it depends upon the battlefield they fought on, at Ticonderoga, they fought in battle line formation.
A great song that conjures up the reasons why so many young scottish lads and lassies to this day still join for the shiling that is paid. Compared withthe shilling paid to bankers and members of or fair and just members of parliment.God on our honest kin.
My family left Scotland after the Rising of the '45, and after a brief stay in Ireland, ended up in Pennsylvania. So I don't think my direct ancestors every took the King's Schilling, seeing as we opposed the English twice.
@MsJasmi no.......wallace comes from "welsh speakers"....language like welsh were spoken in southern scotland originally...welsh is romano british/celtic....strathclyde from ystrad clud
@MsJasmi His family was of British origin. He was supposed to be one of the last Cumbric speakers (a british celtic language very similaer to welsh) and bi-lingual in Gaelic as it was mostly spoken in the area where he grew up. He was of romano-british (or welsh if you prefer) origin
This is one classy song from the perspective of a Black Watch widow. Scots loyal to George II were the first to respond to the Jacobites' steamrolling Gen. Cope's command at Prestonpans, and Fontenoy was a hard fight for both sides.
I am honoured to hear from you! Members of my family served in the Forty Twa as well, From 1882 in the Anglo Egyptian war to the first and second world wars. And my Mother's family can trace back to the first Colonel of the Regiment, John Lindsay, 20th Earl of Crawford. Thank you so much for your comments!!
Yes, it is from a woman's point of view, but back in the 1700-1900's many songs were written in this manner, but sung by men too, since these songs would remind the soldiers of their wives or lovers back home.
I always like to hear this song, but I don't think the video matches it! The '45 Rebels weren't paid a King's Shilling, nor did they sail away to war... well, not until after the 'Rising was over. :p
I guess you could call it that, given that the soldiers in question were serving the British. It's not really about the rebels or their enemies for that matter; it can apply to any war, anywhere. It's basically about the disillusionment of war.
A much more somber treatment of this sort of song is "Blood and Gold" or "No More to the Dance" which is originally Romanian and when sung in English might be about Celtic mercenaries. You can find several versions on Youtube.
Actually, there were those in the ranks who were payed, Lowland volunteers mostly, along with some of the mercenary companies like the French "Irish" regiments (The Piquets) and the Royal Ecossais. While the Highlanders were for the most part, not payed, their chieftains were. As Charlie's army went through Scotland they demanded money from various towns and cities, like Perth, and Glasgow so that those who needed paying could get their due. Later in the campaign, finding funds
many highlanders and lowlanders didn't need a shilling as they volunteered for fighting. My family is Munroe and we have had a great history of fighting for ourselves and the British Army and we chose not to support the pretender. Many clans were fiercely divided throughtout the ages with many choosing to fight for the British government. So this notion of a unified highland revolt is fantasy.
Many scots actually preffered a hanoverian government because of its presybterian values.
Well, this video does not pretend to make out that all Scots fought for Charlie, indeed it is not a political statement. The vid was done for entertainment and is focused on a book I am writing, the book also clearly shows that Scotland was divided, both in the Lowlands and the Highlands. The main character is a Lowlander who has no hatred for the Hanoverians, but finds himself fighting for the Pretender due to circumstances and fate.
can you please tell me what is the title of your book?i love scotland and its history so i would be happy to read it.i live in greece but i think i can manage to find it.and if you have some other books in mind please let me know.
THANK-YOU , I GREW UP WITH A GIRl, BY THE NAME OF Bonnie Munroe , her family was pure scots .. is is so nice to see the Munroe name again !! she was my childhood & best friend .. Thank-you it is an honour to see the Munroe name again ..
I think Mel gibson has done more harm than good, he has convinced many scottish that scotland is a flawless nation, I have done alot of historical study on the whole 'issue' and scotland and england have a much stronger history of union than people think, plus with the whole mel gibson 'freeeedom, killing etc' i would advise anybody to look up what robert the bruces brother did in ireland.
I agree with you 100% It saddens me how many Scots today know so little of their History, and look to Hollywood for it. William Wallace didnt wear a Kilt! Kilts didn't make an appearance until the late 1500's at best
@hitmann2300 I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong- but Wallace would not have worn a kilt because he was not a Scot (a Scot being a Gaelic-speaker that originally came over from Ireland in the sixth century to found the kingdom of Dalriada). I suspect the Wallaces were of the Attacori tribe that inhabited Strathclyde, and Galloway to the south.
I cannot believe, though, that the kilt was not worn before the late 1500's by the highland Scots - otherwise, what WOULD they have worn?
@theearlofsurrey1 The simple fact has nothing to do with where Wallace's ancestors came from. The Kilt did NOT exist at the time. Back in the 1200s and 1300s most Highlanders wore Leines (look it up!!)! While Tartan did exist in Scotland from as far back as 325 AD, the wool was used for blankets, sometimes pants, and capes, NOT kilts. And there were no "Clan" tartans before 1704 when Clan Grant was the 1st to take advantage of new looms that could be setup to recreate a pattern again and again.
@TheLordrochester religion is pretty much dead now so no need to stay with UK plc....who have left parts of our beautful island to rot....why is glasgow east have worst poverty western europe?
@TheLordrochester In no way have I even presented the 45 as a "unified highland revolt" It was indeed as much a Scottish "civil war" as it was a "British" civil war in that there were Jacobites in England and Wales as well.
In fact my own family, the Crawfords, can state that two of their number, fought for Charlie, while 7 others fought for Cumberland at Culloden.
The video is not political at all, and indeed I am a Unionist.
For many years a soldier's daily pay, before stoppages - was the shilling given as an earnest payment to recruits of the British army and the Royal Navy of the 18th and 19th centuries. The expression "to take the King's shilling" (or the Queen's shilling) meant that a man agreed to serve as a soldier or sailor.
Recruiters of the time used all sorts of tricks, most involving strong drink, to press the shilling on unsuspecting victims.
Mr. Doyle , I am an Irish Canadian , 7TH GENERATION Canadian ,,,believe me, you have many values !!! AND IN NO -WAY IS THE IRISH HERITAGE LOST !!! WILL NEVER BE LOST !!! Do not do a diservice to yourself or us that maintain the heritage .. Erin go Braugh (sp?) but my granddmother used to say it to me .. We come from ! a very PROUD NATION !!! and we are proud of our Heritage !!
It's too late now Scottish lads - you should have had your uprising some time back - Alex Salmond will never be your Mandela - Or will He, Och Aye the Noo?????!!
I have nothing but respect for the Black Watch. They kicked our asses in New York, didn't stand in straight lines, and refused any medals because they believed they were fighting kinsmen, not enemy soldiers.
TheTraumarama2 4 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@TheTraumarama2 True true, except that as far as fighting in lines, it depends upon the battlefield they fought on, at Ticonderoga, they fought in battle line formation.
hitmann2300 3 weeks ago
Great song, nice version, crap vid.
tdbsnr 3 months ago
A great song that conjures up the reasons why so many young scottish lads and lassies to this day still join for the shiling that is paid. Compared withthe shilling paid to bankers and members of or fair and just members of parliment.God on our honest kin.
wsmiththeoval 1 year ago
My family left Scotland after the Rising of the '45, and after a brief stay in Ireland, ended up in Pennsylvania. So I don't think my direct ancestors every took the King's Schilling, seeing as we opposed the English twice.
jones0430 1 year ago
I think Wallace's family were Norman.
MsJasmi 1 year ago
@MsJasmi no.......wallace comes from "welsh speakers"....language like welsh were spoken in southern scotland originally...welsh is romano british/celtic....strathclyde from ystrad clud
Apemanwithcalculator 1 month ago
@MsJasmi His family was of British origin. He was supposed to be one of the last Cumbric speakers (a british celtic language very similaer to welsh) and bi-lingual in Gaelic as it was mostly spoken in the area where he grew up. He was of romano-british (or welsh if you prefer) origin
MacDonaldSeumas 3 weeks ago
United we stand divided we fall, No Surrender Brothers The Empires Calling
StBritish 2 years ago
oh ye fuckin think so read yer history how yer man raped my people, he wasnt called "the Butcher" for nothing
pavementchaser 2 years ago
This is one classy song from the perspective of a Black Watch widow. Scots loyal to George II were the first to respond to the Jacobites' steamrolling Gen. Cope's command at Prestonpans, and Fontenoy was a hard fight for both sides.
bcschmerker 2 years ago 6
I am honoured to hear from you! Members of my family served in the Forty Twa as well, From 1882 in the Anglo Egyptian war to the first and second world wars. And my Mother's family can trace back to the first Colonel of the Regiment, John Lindsay, 20th Earl of Crawford. Thank you so much for your comments!!
hitmann2300 2 years ago
wasent that song written for a woman to sing it due to the fact that he sings about his lover who is going to the army. or did i get something wrong?
arggdgdgr 2 years ago 4
Yes, it is from a woman's point of view, but back in the 1700-1900's many songs were written in this manner, but sung by men too, since these songs would remind the soldiers of their wives or lovers back home.
hitmann2300 2 years ago
I always like to hear this song, but I don't think the video matches it! The '45 Rebels weren't paid a King's Shilling, nor did they sail away to war... well, not until after the 'Rising was over. :p
JBurdoo 2 years ago
I believe this is an Unionist song? Please correct me if i'm wrong
shantyman62 2 years ago
I guess you could call it that, given that the soldiers in question were serving the British. It's not really about the rebels or their enemies for that matter; it can apply to any war, anywhere. It's basically about the disillusionment of war.
A much more somber treatment of this sort of song is "Blood and Gold" or "No More to the Dance" which is originally Romanian and when sung in English might be about Celtic mercenaries. You can find several versions on Youtube.
JBurdoo 2 years ago
Actually, there were those in the ranks who were payed, Lowland volunteers mostly, along with some of the mercenary companies like the French "Irish" regiments (The Piquets) and the Royal Ecossais. While the Highlanders were for the most part, not payed, their chieftains were. As Charlie's army went through Scotland they demanded money from various towns and cities, like Perth, and Glasgow so that those who needed paying could get their due. Later in the campaign, finding funds
hitmann2300 2 years ago
Nice song and video. Good luck with the book.
mulungungozi 2 years ago 6
many highlanders and lowlanders didn't need a shilling as they volunteered for fighting. My family is Munroe and we have had a great history of fighting for ourselves and the British Army and we chose not to support the pretender. Many clans were fiercely divided throughtout the ages with many choosing to fight for the British government. So this notion of a unified highland revolt is fantasy.
Many scots actually preffered a hanoverian government because of its presybterian values.
TheLordrochester 2 years ago 7
Well, this video does not pretend to make out that all Scots fought for Charlie, indeed it is not a political statement. The vid was done for entertainment and is focused on a book I am writing, the book also clearly shows that Scotland was divided, both in the Lowlands and the Highlands. The main character is a Lowlander who has no hatred for the Hanoverians, but finds himself fighting for the Pretender due to circumstances and fate.
This is not a Political vid!!!
hitmann2300 2 years ago
can you please tell me what is the title of your book?i love scotland and its history so i would be happy to read it.i live in greece but i think i can manage to find it.and if you have some other books in mind please let me know.
xri5 2 years ago
Message sent, and thanks for watching :)
hitmann2300 2 years ago
which is sectarianist
witchhunter32 2 years ago
THANK-YOU , I GREW UP WITH A GIRl, BY THE NAME OF Bonnie Munroe , her family was pure scots .. is is so nice to see the Munroe name again !! she was my childhood & best friend .. Thank-you it is an honour to see the Munroe name again ..
yukonnahanni 2 years ago
I think Mel gibson has done more harm than good, he has convinced many scottish that scotland is a flawless nation, I have done alot of historical study on the whole 'issue' and scotland and england have a much stronger history of union than people think, plus with the whole mel gibson 'freeeedom, killing etc' i would advise anybody to look up what robert the bruces brother did in ireland.
SpitfireUK2 2 years ago
I agree with you 100% It saddens me how many Scots today know so little of their History, and look to Hollywood for it. William Wallace didnt wear a Kilt! Kilts didn't make an appearance until the late 1500's at best
hitmann2300 2 years ago
@hitmann2300 I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong- but Wallace would not have worn a kilt because he was not a Scot (a Scot being a Gaelic-speaker that originally came over from Ireland in the sixth century to found the kingdom of Dalriada). I suspect the Wallaces were of the Attacori tribe that inhabited Strathclyde, and Galloway to the south.
I cannot believe, though, that the kilt was not worn before the late 1500's by the highland Scots - otherwise, what WOULD they have worn?
theearlofsurrey1 1 year ago
@theearlofsurrey1 The simple fact has nothing to do with where Wallace's ancestors came from. The Kilt did NOT exist at the time. Back in the 1200s and 1300s most Highlanders wore Leines (look it up!!)! While Tartan did exist in Scotland from as far back as 325 AD, the wool was used for blankets, sometimes pants, and capes, NOT kilts. And there were no "Clan" tartans before 1704 when Clan Grant was the 1st to take advantage of new looms that could be setup to recreate a pattern again and again.
hitmann2300 1 year ago
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mull529 1 year ago
@TheLordrochester So the Munro stone for their 426 lost were your family?
IMSaura 1 year ago
@TheLordrochester religion is pretty much dead now so no need to stay with UK plc....who have left parts of our beautful island to rot....why is glasgow east have worst poverty western europe?
Apemanwithcalculator 1 month ago
@TheLordrochester In no way have I even presented the 45 as a "unified highland revolt" It was indeed as much a Scottish "civil war" as it was a "British" civil war in that there were Jacobites in England and Wales as well.
In fact my own family, the Crawfords, can state that two of their number, fought for Charlie, while 7 others fought for Cumberland at Culloden.
The video is not political at all, and indeed I am a Unionist.
hitmann2300 3 weeks ago
'Taking the King's shilling'
Bunch of lowlifes :)
For many years a soldier's daily pay, before stoppages - was the shilling given as an earnest payment to recruits of the British army and the Royal Navy of the 18th and 19th centuries. The expression "to take the King's shilling" (or the Queen's shilling) meant that a man agreed to serve as a soldier or sailor.
Recruiters of the time used all sorts of tricks, most involving strong drink, to press the shilling on unsuspecting victims.
Caledonia62 2 years ago
yes , hence the press gangs !!!
yukonnahanni 2 years ago
You must really be a dumbshit, or ya cant read. The guy states his videos arent for your politics.
Jaco009898 2 years ago 2
Nice pictures of Scotland.
Kronstadtsuperior 3 years ago 8
love the guy in raybans and period dress at start
bigchappy1970 3 years ago
Non-corrective glasses with coloured lenses were made as early as 1730.
JaimeSouviens 2 years ago
oooh get her!
bigchappy1970 2 years ago 5
'Bout damned time!!!!!!
highlander1745 3 years ago
its shit being from europe
im irish and we have no values left, our heritage is being destroyed future generations wont belive how we have made a mess
of this country
we had it, and then lost it again this time its gone forever,
peace to scotland and the poor souls who lost their lives saving her'
jimdoyles 3 years ago 6
that's kind of funny in a way because in america for the most part its the opposite
saltydog16 3 years ago 2
Mr. Doyle , I am an Irish Canadian , 7TH GENERATION Canadian ,,,believe me, you have many values !!! AND IN NO -WAY IS THE IRISH HERITAGE LOST !!! WILL NEVER BE LOST !!! Do not do a diservice to yourself or us that maintain the heritage .. Erin go Braugh (sp?) but my granddmother used to say it to me .. We come from ! a very PROUD NATION !!! and we are proud of our Heritage !!
yukonnahanni 2 years ago
It's too late now Scottish lads - you should have had your uprising some time back - Alex Salmond will never be your Mandela - Or will He, Och Aye the Noo?????!!
Johnners1878 3 years ago