Understanding the War on Gaza: Israel and International Law - 2/2

[WhatchuWant1987]

FUCK ISRAEL

MURDERERS

[3aloushable]

NoamTube, please save yourself the embarassement, and dont reply. AND IF YOU DO, WRITE IT ALL, NOT JUST THE FRAGMENTS TWISTING REALITY TO PROOVE A NON EXISTING POINT. Be warned, I have no patience wasting time correcting your ignorence, if your next post is as STUPID and POINTLESS as the previous ones, you'l know because I wont reply. Live long, and LEARN ALOT.

[3aloushable]

NoamTube, here's the thing you omit, a fundamental fact that make what you are saying seems as if it was a form of discrimination against Jews. Muslims also payd taxes, it was called Zakat, and unlike Jizya, it wasent only on trade, it was on property, cattle, trade and produce. And a muslim could not decide not to join the army, where as the non muslim could. If thats not satisfactory, perhaps the world on a silver platter would have made the jews happier, I dont know!

[3aloushable]

NoamTube, like I was saying, Jizya, 10% tax by the empire, only on traded goods. Women and children were not taxed, along with the poor and some others I dont remember. And if I'm not mistaking I believe if the person joined the army they were exempt of taxes regardless of religion. The protection you denie was against crusaders, and pegan people.

[3aloushable]

NoamTube, you talk of things you dont understand, or only understand part of and interprete it to your liking. Jizya was a 10% tax payd by non muslims living under muslim rule, true. But you are wrong when you say Jews needed protection from muslims, it dosent make any sense, why the hell would you live in a muslim empire, and pay taxes on top of that knowing those people you are paying taxes to are seeking to kill you, it dosent take a genious to make sense of that, it makes no sense.

[brabon1]

the rockets never hit the school...and they were precision mortars

they hit right outside the school

another epic lie created by the jew hating bastards

ISRAEL CHAI

[NoamTube]

Really? People were taking shelters in the schools? There is video evidence that rockets were fired from the school and it was used as a military compound with human shields. I guess they forgot to mention in this story that the U.N. publicly apologized for jumping to conclusions and realized it was being used militarily.

[mingoi313]

Good to see some honesty from the morally deprived.

[saadasim]

Israel blockades and starves Gazans and denies them medicine and their money. Gazans throw bottle rockets over the fence which was built on their land. Israel drops 500,000 pounds of bombs on Gaza.

[NoamTube]

your misinformation is staggering. Israel actually sends about 4-5 full trucks of food into there every day to help and provide hospitalization and medicine for anyone needing it including Palestinians. As for building on "their land," Jews have lived there for over 3,000 years. Palestine was originally named by the Romans when they conquered Jerusalem. It had nothing to do with Arabs, it was named after the Philistines, the Jew's enemy. Please, do some research on this subject

[brabon1]

keep fighting the good fight

but it made me hard trying to penetrate the brains of jew hating bastards

[NoamTube]

It's tough, but if we can make just one person take a second look and really think about what's going on, it's worth it.

[brabon1]

these people are very much like the wingnut freaks who have been showing up to the health care town halls screaming "dont let the government eff with my medicare"

they are all myopic...facts dont matter to them...just their unending hatred of the jew

just try and ask any of them why it is that the un didnt seem to care when jordan and egypt occupied "palestinian" territory....

the responses are absurd

[3aloushable]

Is that so, with all due respect, I believe you should be the one doing the research. Prior to the frensh and british conquest of Souria al kubra (syria prior to modern european conquest) Syria extended from its current location all the way down to Egype, covering PALESTINE, no such thing as israel existed less that 100 years ago, it also covered Jordan, lebanon, and current day syria as one country. GET YOUR FACTS STREIGHT.

[3aloushable]

Oh and another thing, which Israel fails to teach its israli population and the rest of the world, it is a lie when you say Isralies were always there. IT IS NOT TRUE. There used to be jewesh people, living amongst the muslims and the cristians of the area without any tension. The problems started after European Jews were persecuted by Hitler, If memories serve me right, the decision to give jews a land was taken collectively by US and UK, without consulting the palastinians.

[NoamTube]

@3aloushable No actually you're wrong on how long the Jewish population was there. The very name Jewish comes from it's origin, in Judea. There has been a Jewish presence in that land for over 3,000 years. Now in regards to Palestine, it was never a country. It was a region. In it was Lebanon, Syria and Jordan. Last I checked they were populated by Muslims. On top of that Arabs are allowed to live in Israel as many do, but the hurt pride of others causes them to suffer.

[NoamTube]

@3aloushable It's like they say, if Muslims/Arabs put their guns down there will be peace, if Israel put's their guns down, there will be no more Israel.

[3aloushable]

NoamTube, Palestine was never a region, Syria was, and it got annexed and became 4 countries, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and Palestine. Palestine has "De facto" recognition from 135 nations, meaning all 4 are recognized as countries, even if you dont see palestine in the list of UN countries, thats my field of study, dont even try to argue with me man.

[NoamTube]

@3aloushable Since we like to throw the word "Palestine" around, did you learn that the people who originally settled in the British mandated Palestine were actually decedents of Canaanites? These Canaanites were actually nomads with no real land to call home. They were allowed to set up tents in British mandated "Palestine" as a source of cheap labor. So they really have no claim at all to Israel. It's like me being homeless, coming into your house and then throwing you out.

[3aloushable]

Noam Tube

Prior to 1948, the area had 6% jewish population, the rest immigrated from europe after WW2, where they were persecuted by hitler. Dont distort reality, you make it seem as jewish people were the only one there, news flash, its the holy grounds for all 3 major religions, its only normal that all 3 will be located in the area, but, UN says there was a total jewish population of 6% in the area prior to 1948, where did the rest come from? They dident appear out of no where, IMMIGRATION

[NoamTube]

@3aloushable It wasn't until 1948 that the term Palestinian became synonymous with the nomadic Canaanites who were given a home next to Israel. And how did these nomads repay everyone for getting a place to live? By teaming up with other Arab countries and trying to destroy Israel. Ye I think I'll try to argue with you...man. I'm familiar with the stock arguments you've learned and the warped history you've been fed. So by all means teach us your lessons and I'll correct you as we move along

[NoamTube]

@3aloushable btw, In regards to it being Holy Ground for all 3 religions, tell that to the Arabs. Last I checked they wanted Israel to give up all of Jerusalem because Arabs don't recognize other religions there. They want that ground to be purely Muslim. Don't forget to leave that tidbit out. Christians share the land with the Jews just fine while Arabs want it all to themselves.

[3aloushable]

NoamTube, first, those Cannanites you refer to are not palastinians, and yes they were nomads. They lived along Perizzites, Hivites, Jebusites, Hittites, and PHILISTINES. Sounds familiar???? Non nomad ancestrial Palastinians. But all this is not even relevant because you are going back, way back. The first reference to Cannanites in books dates to arround 2300 B.C. Before any jewish religion was even practices, not to 1948, when Israel was created. PHILISTINES were there befor judaism existed.

[3aloushable]

NoamTube, btw, In regards to being Holy Ground for all 3 religions, I'l correct you again. Arabs dont want it to be a Muslim land like you claim, and to correct your ignorence, being an Arab does not make you a muslim, there are arab jews, and arab christians as well. Jews, Christians and Muslims lived there in peace and mutual respect before Israel was created.

Man, seriously, the only history that has been warped over time is yours, DO post a reply so I can throw other facts in you face!

[NoamTube]

@3aloushable You are correct that not all Arabs are Muslim. I have a habit of using those in an incorrect relation. As for Jews, Muslims and Christians living there in peace? Here's where things get a little off. Muslims only lived in peace with other religions when those other religions lived under a status of Dhimmi and paid a Jizyha. Now before you say they were protected, ye they were, from the Muslims. And yes, they do want it to be a Muslim land only, as they want every land to be.

[fuelairburst]

another job for enola gay drop her little boy on gaza....problem solved.

[vistavision2]

War Crimes Tribunals:

Count I: Principles of Nuremberg, Principle VI (c) Crimes Against Humanity;

Count II: Genocide Convention Article II (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of lif calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.

III Defendents:

1 Netanyahu

2 Gisson

3 Gillerman

4 Shimon Peres

5 Shaul Mofaz

[MissingGWdotcom]

By the way is it against international law for Hamas to throw fellow Palestinians off buildings?

[PaulMcCoch]

READ: Shlomo Sand, author of "Matai ve'ech humtza ha'am hayehudi?" ("When and How the Jewish People Was Invented?"; Resling, in Hebrew)

[vistavision2]

If im the ICC prosecutor: 100% conviction for 100% hangings

If Im the defense counsel: I could probably get any NEW face [never held that ministry or IDF commission} Israeli political/military that does a 180 degree turn and complies with LOAC a NOT Guilty

Old Faces: Depends on ministry, and for IDF commission [rank] and post: If they d oa 180 degree turn- relative to "good faith"; sincere or stumbling blocks.

If So I will offer to defend them: Jurisprudential system works.

[masoudnaz]

Are You Goebbles From Germany??? Keep on Lying

[masoudnaz]

There is a difference between Islam and a Muslim then???

Or Christianity and a Christian??? I am learning amazing things from you.

this is absurd.

Your way of thinking is wholly illogical.

I do not want you to believe.

your belief is irrelevent o the Truth.

[masoudnaz]

All jews are considered Jews no matter hat their religious practices.

Your comments are absurd.

[Ecothearcy]

Thats true actually. there r jewish lesbian rabbis in new york which attack and demean the entire old testament law, not just special provisions for jews. Indeed they hate jews, that is people who practice judaism, but they r still called jews by the media and culture. But obviously secuaar atheist anti-judaism descenddants of slavo turks r not jewish per se. it is a misnomer preserved only thru lies.

[masoudnaz]

UNited Nations resolutions are of no consequence.

When Iran, Syria , Hezbollah, Hamas do not respect UN resolutions why should Israel??

In addition Tribe of Judah and Levi are the only ones left from 12 tribes.

they are back in their homeland Palastian (Israel).

This is the beginning of revelation of G-d f Israel as the only TRUE G_d for the rest of the world to see.

Look at what Israel did in 5767 years. No other nation has this ricj history.

Jews have their name connected to the true G-d name.

[vistavision2]

zionists and Tribe of Israel are NOT Tribe of Judah

Ashkenazim are NOT even Semites

Do tell how JAPHET/Ashkenazim birth SEMITES:

it is an absurd premise and DNA impossibility

if you KNOW the revelation: SOURCE IT in Torah [old testament]- Chapter & verse so that we all may read it

Judaism is predicated by DEUT 16:20 "Justice and only Justice..."

DEUT 19:14 "Boundary mark [UNGA 181]" & "ancestors set [UNGA 273/UN Charter]

DEUT 19:1-14 Dont ask because it will be applied to u

[masoudnaz]

DNA test of Jews in the world proves Jews living now are the Children of Jews from 3000 years ago.

You are totally wrong.

Just look at the jews from Iran (over 2000 years living in Iran) (over 150, 000 in population.

Check the Islamic History.

Salaaddin doctor was a Jew named Maimonedes who is the translator of the Jewish books, over 800 years ago.

You do not know what you are talking about,

[vistavision2]

STATE YOUR SOURCE: So I can go read it myself.

I have read the Rabbi's Text.

This is not 800 years ago: this is 2009.

I know one DNA thesies: the much quoted that Palestinians are 1900-1940's migrants into Palestine.

REFUTE my premise with SOURCES; I do know of DNA Premise [thesis- fallacious]; it fails to consider the historical recored and I find its conclusions erroneous.

I did not state it because then you will quote without even reading it.

Source it

[PaulMcCoch]

King Herod, King of the Jews was an Arab..

Genetic evidence suggests that todays Palestinians are the closest living relatives of Biblical Jews.

[vistavision2]

Paul,

SOURCE it! You source for independent confirmation that the source exists; that the text actually reads as it is presented; to read it in its context; and that to quantify understanding [meaning] as presented to what percentage is the conclusion valid.

Other source may offer same quantifiers which then two or more sources are then weieghed vis-a-vis each other, and collectively if equal.

Your first is a positive- negative: Arab is out of context for that time.

[vistavision2]

Examination: King of the Jews

1 it is sound but invalid: His Kingship was exclusive as opposed to inclusive of Torah the Authority for Judaism- NO he was NOT King of the Jews.

2 We know he was a Roman political administrator: quantifiers are proxie, vassal [*tribute], Provencial Administrator

3 Arab- word out of context which corrupts the statement as INvaild; however, I would stated it "King Herod, King of Judea- a colony of the Roman Empire, Vassal-king"

[vistavision2]

3.1 Communicates the historical record independently sourced in Holy Bible & historical record.

4 My writng may be difficult to understand for the following reasons: Communcation of the premise, supporting facts, conclusion within 500 characters; I write and then condense with the object keeping the context of understanding within the box text; becasue breaking and not reading another box may change the context and corrupt the Premise which will increase the probability erroroneos conclusion

[PaulMcCoch]

"I must stress that the lawfulness of military action depends not only on the existence of a legal basis, but also on the question of proportionality. ...... But regime change cannot be the objective of military action. This should be borne in mind in considering the list of military targets and in making public statements about any campaign."

Lord Goldsmith - UK Attorney General

[vistavision2]

Paul, I do thank you for doing the research on the above [ran out of space].

Context: What case? Source it!

LOAC is not static but in continual development like all law.

Proporationalty: Quantifier is degree of violation of territorial integrity:

1 Overflight of airspace: minimal plane veered of course. YOU can chase it but NOT shoot it down; NOR fire cruise missile at its country

What do you think WWII was if not regime change?

last: 1907 Hague Annnex SecIII Art 2

[vistavision2]

2 Enemy invasion: Committing a force GREATER that invasion force is 100% lawful- whole object protect territorial integrity

2.1 IT does not mean that the DEFENDER must match it equally that only prolongs the war which is an absurdity

2.2 Absurdity for an AGGRESSOR to claim that a DEFENDING force must apply proporational force;

2.3 Israel AGGRESSOR: False premise that Hamas must disarm or stop firing rockets when it is the occupier in Palestine West Bank & laying siege to gaza

[vistavision2]

2.4 HOW do we discover who is the aggressor or defender? Borders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2.4.1 Territorial Integrity: UNGA 181Part II Boundaries defines the borders for both states

2.4.2 UNSC 242 directs Israel to WITHDRAW

2.4.3 UNGA 3236 Mandates PLO to liberate UNGA 181 State of Palestine

2.4.5 Israel occupation: I-973 Geneva Art 49 War Crimes is the QUALIFER; and settlements are QUANTIFIER

2.4.6 SIXTY years QUANTIFIER; # of UN resolutions Qualifiers

Short: CONVICTION 100%

[PaulMcCoch]

ScienceDaily (May 9, 2000) — If a common heritage conferred peace, then perhaps the long history of conflict in the Middle East would have been resolved years ago. For, according to a new scientific study, Jews are the genetic brothers of Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese, and they all share a common genetic lineage that stretches back thousands of years. .sciencedaily [DOT] com

[vistavision2]

Yes, I know their both descendents from Abram.

Exodus took place in 18th BCE or about 1950 years ago

The zionist premise is they;

Whom Japhet/Ashkenazi [GEN 10:3, ARE :

1 GEN 17:21 Shem/Abraham/Issac/Israel & Judah descendents which is invalid;

2 and EQUALLY Claim that

2.1 GEN 15:17 Shem/Abram/Ishmaelites/Arabs are Not.

3 When the exact opposite is Truth

4 The issue: Their FALSE PREMISE is being used to committ WAR CRIMES

4.1 The FALSE CLAIM that they'e Jews

[vistavision2]

4.2 IF they were Jews THEY would have READ the TEXT of Torah!!!

4.2.1 DEUT 16:20 "Justice and only justice

...

5 YOUR premise- Palestinians where the Philistines of which I offered the Bible geneology.

5.1 YOUr research refutes your premise & SUPPORTs mine

What is the Conclusion? PREMEDIATED Political persecution of Palestinians QUANTIFIER has been meet for QUALIFIER: PON VI (c)CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY

[masoudnaz]

Please back up your comments.

so the Jews that came from Arab countries (Over 700,000) to their land in Israel are also not Jews.

Please do not insult our intelligence.

[vistavision2]

Mr President [Ortega], I commend you publically: After an insurgency begun in 1926 [Sandino] and prosecuted successfully 1979; You followed in path established by Washington, our 1st President.

[vistavision2]

A man breaks into your home: puts gun to one of your childrens head and says [A]"put your gun down [you surprised him] or I'll kill the boy"

following scenarios shall result:

(1) you kill him & save your child (2) He kills your child then either (2.1)you kill him or (2.2) he kill you;

Tipping point: He can't kill child or you sumulataneously (3) you put your gun down- (3.1)he kills you & + all family

(2.2)(3)same result; (2)(2.1)Trust is to family-lives;(3.1) genocide (2.3 ok

[vistavision2]

Who committ LOAC Crimes Against Humanity or sponsor LOAC HAM through sytemic LONAH contravention deserve neither peace nor security

Who defends human rights is the rightful heir to the Blessing of God Almighty- who is the protector of the oppressed!!!

[vistavision2]

correction should read LOACCAH LOAC- Laws of Armed Conflict LONAH-Laws of Nations and Humanity LOACGEC49- 1949 Genocide Convention UNGA 96 LOACGEN25- 1925 Protocols on Poison/bio war LOACGEN29- 1929 Geneva LOACGEN49- 1949 Geneva LOACGEN77- 1977 Protocols LOACHAG09- 1909 Hague LOACPON- Prnciples of Nuremberg UNGA 95 LOACVER18- 1919 Versailles Treaty LOAC1653- 1961 UNGA 1653 Proh of NUCWar LOAC2603- UNGA 2603 LOACGEN25 foundation

[vistavision2]

PRINCIPLES OF NUREMBERG reject USAMB Wulff premise and in fact identify Israeli leadership as a CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE in UNLAWFUL possession of State of Israel agency of government: UN CHARTER & LOAC direct REGIME removal & War Crimes Tribunal

1 International Criminal Court mandate for the Conflict

Sidenote: Rocket assualts LOAC lawful- 1907 Hague with notice of assualts; or as LOAC Acts of Reprisal to force complaince [dresden & tokyo fire bombing; Hiroshima & Nagasaki]

[vistavision2]

[wulff]

6 USAMB wulff, statements are Genocide Convention Artcle 2 Conspircay to committ genocide

6.1 Where LOAC demands complaince by a non-elected & non-military person "farmer john" and shall hold farmer John accountable for War Crimes committed against a foreign invader is balanced by according farmer john provisional soveriegn powers for compliance with LOAC: Doctrine of Military Government, founded upon chivalry.

6.2 Gov's can violate LOAC at will is absurdity

[vistavision2]

[wulff]

5 Absurdity ro propose that UN art 51 provisions a member to CONTRAVENE UN Charter & LOAC on the basis of membership

5.1 Membership is purposed to pursuance of UN Charter principles &purposes [PAP]of INTNL LAW

5.2 LOAC 1907 Hague, Annex, Sec1-, Art 2 accords provisional sovereign powers to first responder to a foreign invasion with th object of maintaince of LOAC PAP and increases degree of sovereign powers for meritorious compliance with LOAC

5.3 Hamas has LOAC powers

[vistavision2]

USAMB2UN Wulff, premise is fallacious:

1 LOAC is purposed to protect civilians, civili defense agency personnel, combatants & non-combatants, and persons accused of war crimes

2 Aggression or self-defense predicated on territorial integrity; whereof, UNGA 273 Israel borders are specified in UNGA 181 part II;

2 UNSC 242 modality (i) Israel compliance with 1949 Armistice- IIA of belligerents vis-a-vis UN and not bi-lateral

3 UN Charter 103 Obligations to UN supercede bi-lateral

[masoudnaz]

How rediculous it is to assume that the founding fathers of state of israel represent Jews and Judaism.

g-d of israel used them to bring back the jews to the lnd he gave them forever through their generations, for your information a jew is a jew no matter how traditional he is. Again hypocracy, Islam kills any Muslim who wants to change ther religion, t tells the muslims no matter what they are muslim, but you lack f knowledge ask me to be silent, please go study then write, thanks in advance

[vistavision2]

masoudnaz, The covenant is predicate again on adherence to the precepts of Judaism.

Why the dispersals? When they committed wickedness.

JER new covenant is UNGA 181 Part II Boundaries and UNGA 273 agreements.

GEN 15:17 refers to the Arabs not Israel!

Tribe of Judah are sole possosser/inheritor until JER 33:26 the appointed time is JER 33:25

Absurdity of premis that God sanctions malevolence.

[Ecothearcy]

theyre not Jews, they r descendants of slavo turks in the middle ages that converted to judaism, but they dont keep judaism any more, so they have no ethnic, nor spiritual ties to judaism. thats why they bring in so many russian "jeewish" gangsters. they cant get real jews to go there anymore. Jews r ashamed of them.

[vistavision2]

Ashkenazim are descendents of Japhet GEN 10:3; They are NOT SEMITES

Arabs are Semites SHEM/Abram/Ishmael/Arabs

GEN 15:18-21 Abram context of areas from River of Egypt to Euphrates: CORRESPOND to the areas inhabited by Arabs in our era.

GEN 17:21 SHEM/Abraham/Issac/Israel & Judah[sole posser/inheritor of scepter] EXCLUDES ashkenazim

Zionist premise [& Israel basic law]: "jewishness is race"; maternal lineage. How does an Japhet/Ashekenazim birth a SEMITE? IMPOSSIBILITY

[Ecothearcy]

The Hebrew Old Testament is newer than the New Testament. It is a document know acknoledged to be of heelenic origins. Many of its stories r about Arabs, ie, Moses in Media, midea is in arabia, mt sinai is in arabia not sinai. see my vid on the ethno genesis of the ashlenazi . these people were never in the middle east land of judah, and have left their religion. Jewish is then a misnomer. they r slavo turk converts from pagan gentiles, now secualr atheists. not jewish.

[vistavision2]

ecothearcy, The Hebrew Old Testament and Torah while have same books are NOT synonmous.

Mt Sinai is within a Egypt military base;

GEN 10:3 ashkenazim are NOT Semites but

Japhetites

GEN 15:17 "Thy seed [DNA]" Covenant SHEM/ Abram/ Ishmael/Arab SEMITES

GEN 17:21 "thy see [DNA] Covenant SHEM/ Abraham/Issac/[other ten of Jacob]Israel & Judah[sole possessor/Inheritor of sceptre] Semites

GEN 15:17 Areas from River of Egypt to Euphrates Corresspond to PRESENT areas inhabited by Arabs

[Ecothearcy]

U dont get it. Ancient Jews died out or merged with others, most became Muslims (todays Palis). These people in Israel have nothing to do with the Old Testament, they converted to judasism in the middle ages when stuck between christians and muslims during the conflicts in the caspian area. this is why their culture, which they call jewish, is entirely slavo turk, e.g.yiddish is a slavic language fromthe balkans, they had no lnwoldege of hebrew as seen from their cemetaries. nothing to with OT.

[masoudnaz]

Totally wrong.

There was a DNA test done over 5 years ago with samples taken from Jews around the world .he DNA test showed the historical movement of Jews through 5767 years.

The Jews living now are the children of the Jews who lived in Israel 3000 years ago.

[Ecothearcy]

actually there were many dna trials . the first tests did not show any evidence of a link, the last one did. guess where the study was done.

[masoudnaz]

incredible how shallow your words are.

to infer that judaism with Torah is not concerned with Israel and that a jew is defined by you is a incredible act of ignorance.

The founding father of Israel were not the base of israel but a tool by G-d of israel to return the Jews to the land he promised to give them and the their children forever,

Just please crawl under the stupid rock you crawled from and leave the human beings conversation to men of intelligence and integrity

[vistavision2]

masoudnaz, these zionists are NOT jews but pretenders!

Judaism in predicated on jurisprudence; NOT malevolence of contravetion to the precepts of judaism.

[MissingGWdotcom]

Completely Legal!

[MissingGWdotcom]

Regime change in war is not illegal, you lose a war you will lose your goverment go figure.

Funny the Democrats passed the Iraq Liberation act under Bill Clinton that was "to establish a program to support a transition to democracy in Iraq." Congress made findings of past Iraqi military actions in violation of International Law and that Iraq had denied entry of United Nations Special Commission on Iraq inspectors into its country to inspect for weapons of mass destruction. - On Dec 16,98

[vistavision2]

Wars are not illegal and NEVER should become illegal: Recourse to war is the only means to remove tryants and despots.

Laws of war are PURPOSED to protect civilians, civil defense agencies, combatants and non-combatants, and any person accused of war crimes: Laws of war accord the first responder to a forign invasion provisional soveriegn powers; if operations conducted within LOAC; purpose to maintain LOAC and meritorius application of LOAC in the furtherance of governance in a conflict.

[MissingGWdotcom]

By the way is it against international law for Hamas to throw fellow Palestinians off buildings?

[PaulMcCoch]

regime change is also illegal under INTERNATIONAL LAW.

[vistavision2]

Paul. regime is not unlawful;

What do yo think happened to Saddam?

Legtimate political authority: consent of the governed. A regime that is in systemic contravention to LOAC for 40 years of War Crimes Settlements is a CRiminal Enterprise in UNLAWFUL possesion of the agency of governance

[PaulMcCoch]

I think Vista you'll find that Regime Change is illegal under International law. As Lord Goldsmith told Tony Blair "Regime Change is not a justification for war". Whereas inventing a justification such as phoney weapons of mass destruction isn't.

[vistavision2]

The political slogans such as "terrorism" of which is only a smokescrewen to dehumanize any person that speaks up against Israel Crimes Against Humanity occupation has no foundation in LOAC.

A violation of Laws of Armed Conflict is called a War Crime. Like any other crime it is specificity of law violated, who violated it; evidence presented.

Saddam was tried for War Crimes; found guilty; an executed.

Iraq contraventions to UN resolutins was the leagal foundation for Regime Change- war

[PaulMcCoch]

A War of Aggression is illegal under international war. Again as Goldsmith stated Regime change cannot be the objective of military action. The invasion of Iraq was undertaken without the backing of the UN nor a second resolution permitting the Coalition of the Willing to do so. The stated aim of resolution 1441 was for Saddam to disarm which he had done. Saddam was not tried for 'war crimes' nor for Crimes against Humanity'. He was convicted and lynched for the murder of half a dozen Shiites.

[vistavision2]

Paul,

UN Charter Article 48., 2., "Such decisions shall be carried out by Members of the United Nations *DIRECTLY and their actions in the appropriate international agencies of which they are members."

1 Korea was same situation

2 Create through incorporation [i.e.]: Coalition was an agency of NATO,USA,& other states

3 Or existing, i.e., NATO, EU, AU,OAS, LAS, OIC, CN,

4 A UN specific is NOT essential: enforce UNSC 242 or UNGA 181

*caps mine

[PaulMcCoch]

Israels invasion of the Palestinian territory of Gaza was not a response to Hamas breaking the ceasefire. Israel broke the ceasefire in November. Hamas simply responded as is its right as the democratically elected government to protect its citizens.. Now tell me, who is the terrorist?

[vistavision2]

Paul,

My proposition: 100% 4 Israeli regime Change to enforce Israeli systemc contravention to UN Charter & Laws of Armed Conflict I-973 Geneva Art 49 War Crimes Settlements [PON VI (b)qualifer]; where UNSC242 non-compliance is a PON Principle VI (a) Crimes Against Humanity; and its political persecution in connexion [with (a) & b)]to dispossess Palestinians from their [UN Charter Chap XII, Art 80 TERMS] UNGA 181 Part II Boundaries state is (c)Crimes Against Humanity

ICC 4 IS leadership

[PaulMcCoch]

From what I gather Vista, you are a supporter of bloody regime change. Despite its illegality. Me I am for peace diplomacy, debate, democracy, and equality and justice for all.

I must explain that Lord Goldsmith was the UK Attorney General, he who said regime change is no basis for war. And, that the former senior Law Lord, Lord Bingham reiterated that fact in his post summary of Goldsmiths legal advice to Tony Blair.

Regime Change is illegal under international law.

[vistavision2]

Paul, War should never be outlawed and should anyone propose that war should be outlawed:

1 they purpose to comitt genocide

2 Will attempt to disarm you first;

3 RECOURSE to war is only means to provision human rights vis-a-vis tryants & demagogues

4 Absurdity:propose that a tryant or demagogue will protect your civil or human rights self-evident that if they did voluntarily provision your human rights then they would NOT be tryants nor demogogues

4 YES, including global war

[PaulMcCoch]

Lol.. I'm not a pacifist when it comes to defence lad. A war of Defence is legal under international law. Pre-emptive strikes and wars are not.

I'm for educating the people and changing the world through democracy, not by the gun. I'm for defending the hungry, the masses and the oppressed, with Justice, UN Consensus, and a international UN standing army. Not with NATO nor with any unilateral force acting on its own initiative.

[vistavision2]

Regardless, State of Israel political/military [POLMIL] are in systemic contravention to UNSC 242 & LOACGEN49/49; are a/b qualifers for PONVI/C Crimes Against Humanity- POLITICAL PERSECUTION to disposs Palestinian from their UN Charter Chapter XII ART 80 TERMS UNGA 181 State of Palestine NATIONAL RIGHTS ENACTED to protect their HUMAN RIGHTS as purposed of UN Charter Principles.

JUST WAR: LOAC enforcement

SELF-DEFENSE: ULTIMANT Determinant-UNGA 181 Part II Borders; UNSC242 IS-voluntary

[PaulMcCoch]

Palestinian resistance to the occupation is legal under international law. Firing homemade and unguided missiles/rockets is not.

The Zionists and later Zionist Israel have committed war crimes and terrorist acts since the mid 1930's and continue to do so today.

A man with a gun will not change the Nuclear armed Israeli mindset, only a democratic international community can. And those should be answerable to the people. A publicly funded Democratic Revolution is the answer. ;)

[vistavision2]

Paul,

1907 Hague, Annex, SecII Hostilities, Chap1 Means of injuring the enemy, sieges, and bombardments.

Art 26 "The officer in command of an attacking force must, before commencing a bombardment, except in cases of assualt, do all in his power to warn the authorities."

[A]uthorities:

1 of the enemy- declaration of war; Act of Reprisal publication;

2 Contracting power of Geneva [UN/UNGA3236 PLO]

3 UN Article 51 FORTY YEARS has not been reasonable for UNSC 242 enforcemement?

[vistavision2]

The man with the gun is the only one that can change Israeli mind set.

Do you think that nuclear weapons are a deterrent to a guerilla?

Or that because nuclear weapons a government can committ genocide?

Personally, given the choice between a world full of mankind and full of zionist malevolence which demands of humanity to approbate its evil;

Or a world extinct of humanity and extinct of israeli wickedness- This I elect 100% : you have my vote- fuck it lets end humanity!!!!

[vistavision2]

I say unto you: The USA government [e.g., whater regime of republican or democrat] will fall before Palestinians Government de jure DMG Hamas/UN3236 PLO falls.

Anyone thinks that Israels "Samson option" shall deter or overcome the Charter of Benevolency of

United Nations of the Oppressed vis-a-vis United Nations Organization geo-politcs

A global civil war is on the horizon: is your will to live in the comfort of your own home greater or lessor than the will to enact justice?

[MissingGWdotcom]

Not only does Hamas terrorize Israel and the world, Hamas terrorizes its own people.

In Gaza one Gaza man said one of his comrades was thrown off a high-rise building in Gaza City last year by Hamas, and so he sheds no tears for the Hamas dead. 'Let the Israelis kill them,' he said. 'They've brought only trouble for my people.'"

What you are missing is some video of Hamas killing their own. Hamas leader said all the Pal blood spilled will be worth it, Hamas does not care about anyone.

[PaulMcCoch]

Hamas threaten the world? lol!

Do Sinn Fein threaten the world?

[masoudnaz]

This is a war of religions. Jew against Muslm. Who is right? To whom the land belongs? Who has the deed? Islam stsnds on the shulder of Judaism. Quran considers the Torah as the basis of itself. G-d writes in the Torah " The land belongs to me and I give it for eternal heritage to my children Isarael" G-d defines the borders of this land in Torah. Who here is to demnad from G-d "What you do??" Shame on all who have abandoned the true Islam which florished in the golden age for HAMAS.

[mingoi313]

Please do not insult our intelligence any further.

This is not a war of religions. The founding leaders of Zionism were atheists who had no regard for the true teachings of Judaism. If you refer to the early authorities of Judaism during the formation of the state of "Israel", all of them were against it.

So please do us all a favour, and just stay silent if you don't have anything of substance to say.

Thanks in advance.

[masoudnaz]

Shame on people supporting hamas.

How dare you compare Israel to Nazis??

Where are the gas chambers, the furnaces, the slave labor mandate?

Who selected hamas as their leader?

Who shot 6500 missles into Israeli Children and women?

Where was the world reaction for 3 years when a Jewish child could not sleep more than 15 seconds from a bomb shelter?

Who shoots missles and Mortars on israel from Mosques and schools?

what will you do if a robber attacked you with a knife, just play dead?

[mingoi313]

Rather, eternal shame is on you for supporting "Israel".

The oppressors, and barbaric murderers of innocent women and children. At the minimum, at least 700 innocent women and children have died due to the destruction wreaked by the terrorist state of "Israel".

Who is responsible for using White Phosphorus to bomb civilians into submission?

Who fired over 4 million cluster bomblets over S. Lebanon?

Who killed over 700 women and children over the last three weeks only?

Indeed, shame on you!

[bklynwriter718]

Unfortunately, the Nazis never respected International Law or the World Court.Why should we expect these Zionist thugs to do the same.Israel has a blanche' card for terrorism!

[DivineLove247]

America should be ashamed of itself for protecting TERRORIST Israel from criticisms at the UN.

[vistavision2]

[2]waters violated; arial bombardment and to what degree; incursion; invasion, and occupation.

It is UNGA 181 State of Palestine which has been occupied by State of Israel since 1967 and self-evident with UNSC 242, an article 39 resolution, which mandates state of Israel withdrawal from UNGA 181 Palestine Provinces of Gaza & West Bank.

It is an absurdity to propose the UN Charter Aricle 51 sanctions occupation of a foriegn state under the self-defense precept

Reiterate, Art 39 UNSC 242

[vistavision2]

[3]mandates Israel vacating the UNGA 181Palestine provinces of Gaza & West Bank.

Article 51 is predicated upon territorial integrity of which UNGA 181 Part II Boundaries defines the borders of both states.

UNGA 181 is a Chapter XII Art 77.a, "territories under mandate"; Art 80 TERMS which are non-modifiable; with Article 81 UN "itself" being Adminstrator.

UNGA 273 is an international instrument of agreement between the State of Israel transition from UNGA 181 Trust Territory to

[vistavision2]

[4] UN Charter article 4 in accordance with article 78.

Whereof, UNGA 181 State of Palestine Territorial Integrity has remained within the Chapter XII Chartered course purposed to secure said chapter principles.

Sixty & fourty years later after UNGA 181 and UNSC 242 does not vacate or otherwise in validate UNGA 181 State of Palestine, a UN Trust Territoruy, territorial integrity; nor remove its inhabitants from UN Charter purposes & principles: Absurdity of proposition that Palestinians

[vistavision2]

[5] have neither national rights nor human rights.

Whereof, The protection of UNGA 181 State of Palestine inhabitants national rights are the very self-same UN Charter purposed priniciples as a Trust Territory of which Chapter XI, Declaration Regarding non-self governing territories expounds.

The proposition articulate by US Deputy Ambassador that the UN Charter Article 51 accords a UN member authority to contravene the very self-same UN Charters purposes & articluted in Article 1;

[vistavision2]

[6] Chaper XI for non-governing UN Trust Territory UNGA 181 State of Israel; UNSC 242 for forty years, an Art 39 res, of which chartered course Art 40 sanctions-Art 41 Armed Force Compliance; UNGA 181 State of Palestine very own Charter 51 rights of self-defense accorded to UNGA 3226 PLO to secure the the human & national rights of the inhabitants of its Trust Territory; and to maintain its occupation while in systemic contraventin to IV Genevea Article 49 importation of it citizenry-War Crimes.

[vistavision2]

[7]The provision of Human Rights protections is a self-administrated precept of Laws of Armed Conflict; 1907 Hague Convention, Laws & customs of war on land; Section 1, Chapter 1, Article II "The inhabitants[e.g., includes Hamas] of a territory [e.g., Gaza] which has not been occupied, who, on the approach of the enemy spontaneously arms to resist the invading troops...shall be regarded as belligerents if they carry their arms openly and if they resepect the laws of war."

[vistavision2]

[8]A claim has been made by Israeli spokesman that the defenders of Gaza are not in uniform: In this context, the substantive measure is "if they respect the laws of war".

Prudence mandates the context of situation be recognized of which is as follows:

1 Territorial Boundaries are demarcated: UNGA 181 Part II boundaries- provision the context of belligerency; party within its borders is the belligerent acting in self-defense & the belligerent acting in foriegn territory is the aggressor.

[vistavision2]

2 UNSC 242 was enacted to address the "breach of the Peace" specificity of the article in direct relation to 1949 Armistice International Instruments of Agreement of the belligerents vis-a-vis the UN Community of Nations; And not as is erroneously premised that the Armistice Agreements were vis-a-vis each other.

3 Regardless, all bi-lateral aggreements are under the domain of Article 103, obligations to UN Charter supercede bi-lateral obligations.

[vistavision2]

[1]UNGA 181 State of Palestine though under occupation by State of Israel does not lose its UN Charter 51 Self-Defense rights and in fact UNSC 242 is purposed to protect UNGA 181 State of Palestine inhabitants in accordance with Chapter XII purposes and principles , specificity enumerated in Article 76.

The precept of self-defense articulated in Article 51 is predicated a states territorial integrity being breached; breaches, include but not limted to, a spectrum of overflight, territorial