Unlike so many Scientology interviews I've seen I dislike Billy Sheehan. He actually seems like a genuinely nice, respectful guy. I just feel really bad for him. Just a misguided individual who I hope one day realizes what kind of freakish cult he supports.
I WOULD CALL BILLY A MASTER BASS PLAYER THAT PRACTICED HIS CRAFT A WHOLE LOT, MAYBE HES NOT SUCH AN EXPERT ON THIS STUFF CONSIDERING MOST OF HIS TIME WAS SPENT PLAYING MUSIC, WHEN HE FIRST HEARD CREAM ..MAYBE HE THOUGHT THEY KNEW ALL THE ANSWERS TOO LOL BUT WHO KNOWS - HE KINDA PLAYS LIKE AN ALIEN SOMETIMES HEHE WHO KNOWS LOL
i love billy sheean as a bass player. I dont care about scientology or people that are anti-scientology. Im just wondering how billy can hang out with all these musicians, who are notorious for experimenting with all sorts of illegal drugs, and not confront them or notify the authorities, after what he just said here lol.
Billy is class in every possible way,i hold great respect for this man and that wouldn't change even if he believed in flying monkey gods..his choice of religion is his own... the fact that you go to church every sunday doesn't mean anything if you are a douche and a scumbag for the rest of the week...
It's funny how people think he is crazy for believing what he believes. While it's perfectly "rational" and socially acceptable to believe in virgin births,part seas at the will of a man,and other such "miracles" as o.k.
I think anyone who has imaginary friends they worship are batshit crazy.
hmm.. this gives me a bit more respect for sheehan. yeah.. hes part of a cult that i dont really agree with (frankly i dont get any religion) but hes open, hes honest, he doesnt crack when they are pushing him, and hes not pushing his religion on anyone by saying anyone else is wrong.
People, who the fuck cares that he is a Scientologist? It's his personal belief, he's allowed to have it. I don't believe in it, and I believe it's some kind of cult. But who cares. If it works for him, let him do it.
@BLACKMAGICMETALMAN12 Did you know what these videos are about? The church of scientology was trying to silence their critics by falsely accusing them of crimes and getting them arrested, but luckily in court their plot was revealed and the cases were dismissed. How is that for proof they are fucking up society. Not to mention it's another bullshit "religion", brainwashing all their followers, robbing them blind, etc...
Like I said on the other video, Billy is a very polite man and a very talanted musician. But he really made a mistake with these videos, makes him look really dumb TBH.
@MetamorphousG thats exactly what id like to know...its like they talked in circles, like they are trying to trick you...like a politician...it makes me mad
"Study materials and auditing courses are made available to members in return for specified donations.[6] Scientology is legally recognized as a tax-exempt religion founded in 1953 in Camden NJ! Scientology has been surrounded by controversies since its inception. It has often been described as a cult that financially defrauds and abuses its members, charging exorbitant fees for its spiritual services.Scientology's belief that souls ("thetans") reincarnate and have lived on other planets !
ive done a little research about scientology and i dont understand what the big attraction is about it but i must commend billy on his openness and willfulness to share his beliefs with the world. i think he is a class act and would still be one if he were islamic, jewish, hindi, jain, christian, wiccan or anything else.
@darrenedesignedu yeah me too, except he really isnt telling you anything except for that he is a Scientologist. He cant tell you what hes learned or what he is doing or what he believes...its messed up!
I met Billy at the NAMM show back when he was in David Lee Roth's band. He really is this calm and sweet guy that you see on the video. If only the other Scientologists could take a lesson from Billy and act this cordial and civil instead of screaming "what are your crimes?" and baiting people...perhaps a dialogue could occur.
get rid of Slappy and make Billy the head of Scientology - perhaps then nobody would be abused or die
The fact that Billy was only 18 when a stranger came to his door and sold him a book about a cult he never heard of and has been a member ever since shows how niave he really is which, is a pity because he's so down to earth and a talented bassist
@soundwave121 No, it's better if scientology sticks with Tommy as their spokesperson. Tommy is a lot better at showing the world that this is a crazy cult.
And what is free thinking? Being able to choose within the range of what youve been taught? you are a product of society and free thinking is a lie! you are free to choose, but only between what someone else put there for you to choose from. Free thinking in my opinion is not thinking at all
I'm an atheist, but seeing in this video how Billy was totally cool and fair and conducted himself so well makes me not want to pick on Scientologists at all!
Actually no tongue-in-cheek at all! :-) I was quite serious. If more Scientologists acted like him (instead of rabid nut jobs accusing people of "crimes"), I think I'd be ok with 'em. I mean, I'm fine with Hindus, but not evangelicals. And why? It's primarily because of their attitudes.
Well, I know many Christians that act very nice to people, they are always smiling, they give out free tea and coffee outside the students' union, but when you look at little closer you find that they are all homophobic, very sexist, anti-science, close-minded and they have quite an influence on society.
Stop making me defend Christians! I hate doing that! :-) But seriously; Billy seems to display not just kindness and courtesy, but a degree of intellectual honesty here as well. I by no means am taking this brief interview to be the sum total of what he is capable, but all I'm saying is that it's a good sign.
@tommyk77well some might be but some Christians like me are not homophobic, not sexist, not anti-science ( i love science), not close-minded, and most of us have barley any influence on society.
Celebrity scientologists very often get a bit more room since CoS understands very well the potential PR-horror if a famous long-time member would leave due to their "tough love". Cruise for example, he can pretty much do whatever he wants, nobody in CoS will be hounding him. Celebrities are part of the "ivory tower" or protected members, the vip's, within Scientology.
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who else noticed that Billy a Scientologist was the only person there who wasn't an asshole those jerk offs in the really gay masks were fuckin douchebags. Scientology isnt so stupid when compared to all of these other dumbass religions the most retarded being Catholisism
Yep, there´s one, the oldest one in the human history, well, at least in the written history, the one of the egyptians, o mayas, when they adored the sun, wich...you can fairly say that yes, it´s the source of life of this planet.
he can't have respect to the catholic church because jesus was a suppressive according to scientology. also the catholic church is suppressive so he has no respect for them
He seems very nice and very polite. Why, though, does he believe in this idiotic cult? Then again, I don't understand why anyone believes in a religion based on a Science Fiction novel.
@R3TU4NmyP13 - I wasn't necessarily equating his politeness with intelligence. I was simply giving him credit for what I consider admirable personality traits. He was being grilled and never lost his composure or resorted to attacking, I just wanted to give credit where it's due.
Unfortunately, he still evaded many of the important questions and was never completely willing to address the issues with some of his beliefs or with the "church" as a whole.
@NothingSacred27 is it not as bad as believeing in a book that says the earth is flat? or that the earth is the center of the universe? lmao in the bible, god doesnt even know how magnets work. but yeah scientologists must just be dumb.
Billy is obviously trying to defend something as indefendable and hollow as scientology. he's being nice but somehow it seems he doesnt see the pointlessness of the argument.
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The wrong actions of some Scientologists isn't representative of us as a whole. Lisa McPherson, and people who do "fair game" etc..., are single individual incidents that concerns only those involved. Not every Scientologist attacks someone everyday.
I would wager most of them are terrific people. It's the management that are causing the fraud and abuse.
Billy's just the nicest one on camera and one of the only ones who knows not to be a dope and follow the "always attack, never defend" training of Scientology.
Scientology ist eine Sekte. Es ist nicht zu glauben, dass ein so fantastischer Musiker auf so eine Vereinigung hereinfällt. You're a fuckin' shame to the bass-playin community.
Get out of scientology. It's a community of brainwashed bastards.
All organized religion are scams. They all function the same way. Certainly Scientology IS an aggressive cult, but it uses the same principles as any other organized religion.
whatever, the man is an amazing bassist, so who cares what faith he is, even if it is some crazy religion like mormons, hahahaha lets see what that gets me
who ever made this video should get a life.... how many christians commit crimes every day??? the priests are the worst!!!! abusing little kids and running off with sumones wife!!!! should i go out and paint all u christians with the murderer and pedaphile brush?? after watching this video ... maybee i should! i am of no faith at all! we live ... we die... were no significant in life to a mammal or a rodent! thats my view... respect it! and fukk off! just like u should respect scientologist's!
Everyone commits crimes. It's human nature. In fact, THE POINT IS that we screwed up in the first place. Adam and Eve sinned, and they and the rest of the human race bear the consequence for that sin. The good news is that Christ came, condemning (sp?) no one, but instead, dying for everyone, so that we can have eternal life instead of eternal consequence, if we would only accept Christ's gift of salvation. It's not about being "holier than thou", but seeking to glorify God through our lives!
ok... ive studied scientology this past week... and i gotta admitt im shocked... its very cult like and quite freaky... but never the less.... i still respect people's decision's.... as i make my own too... im my view 'jeasus' was possably just as whacky as this Huburd guy!! lmao
Hehe well everyone is entitled to their own opinion. To many people in his day, Jesus was a freak. He claimed to be God in human form and did stuff that would make that street magician guy look like a birthday party clown. Nevertheless, I put my trust in Him!
Also, doctrine & dogma are two diff words & though they're sometimes be interchangeable; they don't mean exactly the same thing.
For ex., The four noble truths summarize the main "doctrines" of Buddhism but there's no "dogma" attached here for they've nothing to do with morality or faith proper, per se and definitely not "set forth in an authoritative manner by a church."
Here's a little synonym study:
DOCTRINE refers to a theory based on carefully worked out principles & taught or advocated
I personally think that organised religion is dangerous anyway, but any religion that teaches that aliens brought us here in spacecrafts, and who look first at your bank balance before accepting you, is highly suspicious in my book.
And to paraphprase Groucho Marx, I'd never be a member of a religion that would have Tom Cruise as a member!!
I can choose wether or not to believe in the bible and in what ways to believe in it, and rather than accepting dogmatically everything a given church authority might say of it, I reflect heavily upon interpretation of the bible and I do research.
Is it also true, however, that an Atheist is not a "free thinker" in that he is not free to believe in God?
DOGMA! 1. An authoritative principle, belief or statement of opinion, especially one considered to be absolutely true, regardless of scientific proof.
In the Catholic Church, new dogmas can only be declared by the pope after the extremely rare procedure ex cathedra to make them part of the official faith. 2. A doctrine or a set of doctrines relating to matters such as morality and faith, set forth in an authoritative manner by a church.
Your first definition is one I agree with much more than your second one. I simply understand dogmatic behavior to be involving of accepting a principle to be irrevocably true, regardless of logical proof.
If you think all religious people are dogmatic, you are ignorant. Any smart religious person knows that exploring the doubts of one's self is vital for development of their philosophy. Have you ever tried living a mature and intellectually honest religious life? It's far from impossible.
They're not MY definitions. They're the 2 definitions on the Wiktionary here online. And they are what they are & say. IMHO the 1st is the main & generalized def. of the word. The 2nd is more specific & applicable to religious doctrines, etc. I don't know about all religious ppl being dogmatic but ALL religions have a DOGMA.
Personally, I don't buy into any religion but I consider myself a spiritual person. Spirituality & religion are two diff things. But I DO find myself being quite ignorant.
I'm not surprised that they're not your definitions. But your analysis of each definition seems accurate.
The second definition seems unnecessary, given how close it is to the word "doctrine" itself. So "dogma" meaning "doctrine," yes, all religions have a dogma in that sense.
Also, can you send me a private message regarding your being a spiritual person? I've heard of such philosophies but no-one has really explained them to me.
...They're close & there's an obvious relation but you wouldn't consider a beautiful sunrise or scenery; nature, or say, the innocent smile of a child or the love of a woman for her offspring - even an animal - "religious" but they are "spiritual;" at least to me. I'm sure also, you've heard of someone having a "spiritual" experience that wasn't necessarily a "religious" one; though they can crisscross sometimes.
Why do you say you are not surprised? I'm curious.
As for the 2nd def., I don't feel it's, as you say, "unnecessary." It is specific to, as it states, "morality and faith, set forth in an authoritative manner by a church." The 1st one has nothing to do with church or faith & morality; so the 2nd IS necessary to make THAT distinction which does exist. But what do I know?
As for your question, religion involves the association of ppl in a manner resembling a religious institution or cult...
I'm not surprised because many people use online dictionaries (not a bad thing).
The second meaning you presented is unnecessary for the reason that the word "doctrine" already fits that definition well enough.
Saying that religion involves the association of people in manner of a religious institution is simply stating the obvious, and your usage of the word "cult" seems to be a sweeping generalization of religious practices, unless you'd like to specify exactly what you mean by "cult."
Well, I'm the proud owner of FIVE dictionaries; not counting 'language-language dictionaries., thesaurus, etc. I love Linguistics and as a hobby, study the etymology of words - which I think it's very revealing and telling of the culture, origins of the diff. words, etc. But I use online dictionaries, too. I have several saved as favorites. :)
I've got the Oxford American dictionary on my computer, Webster's dictionary somewhere in my house, I study Latin, Greek, and Rhetoric, and my parents are sometimes grammar nazis.
"I've got the Oxford American dictionary on my computer, Webster's dictionary somewhere in my house, I study Latin, Greek, and Rhetoric..."
Good. Then you can do a more proper & in-depth study of these two words, if you like.
Dogma implies an opinion or tenet one thinks is good & comes from the Greek while Doctrine comes from the Latin & has more to do with teachings or what is taught, etc.
Also, I wanted to point out that sometimes in order to put across thoughts & concepts in a clear & distinct manner, the use of words & their diff nuances is valuable, indeed priceless, if we're to hone in on exactly what we try to convey. Many words are close to others of the same group or class but it doesn't make any unnecessary. That's what makes our language rich & expressive & why we have synonyms that no matter how close they may be, offer varied shades & colors to the rainbow of language.
Synonyms are no doubt useful, but I was pointing out the second definition of dogma to be so alike to the definition of doctrine that it is unnecessary and potentially confusing for discussion. Synonyms are for more poetic purpose than discussion, because discussion requires premises that are built on clear and definite words that are not to be confused with each other.
"Synonyms are for more poetic purpose than discussion, because discussion requires premises that are built on clear and definite words that are not to be confused with each other."
I disagree with this & your other stmt but regardless that's why I used the word DOGMA instead of DOCTRINE because they're NOT the same. One can speak of a problem with DOGMA without necessarily imputing a DOCTRINE.
Language & the diff nuances of wds are required for clarity & not just in poetry but SCIENCE, for ex.
...by its adherents; DOGMA refers to a belief or doctrine that is handed down by authority as true and indisputable, and may connote arbitrariness, arrogance, etc. Ex.: religious dogma; TENET connotes a component belief or principle of a system or theory Ex,: the tenets of Christianity; PRECEPT refers to an injunction or dogma intended as a rule of action or conduct. Ex.: Teach by example rather than by precept.
They're diff nuances more appropriate at times depending on subject matter, etc.
I agree with your definition. That's why I may not have any problem with Christian DOCTRINE but I sometimes have a problem with some peoples' or institutions' DOGMA.
Seems to me none of the bad stuff happen to people who can keep giving money. As soon as someones bank account is depleted bad things begin to happen to them.
If somebody can be in Scientology or any other religion for that matter from 1971, it definitely has done them good. There is no doubt about that. And Billy Sheehan is a bass player who plays with Steve Vai, who is not a Scientologist for that matter, but somebody who follows a different Indian spiritual path known as Sant Math. And that speaks a lot.
gotta love how everyone says "i respect you even though i don't agree with you"
that's bullshit. deep down they're thinking "you're a loser, but i've got to pretend that i think you're alright because it's politically-correct time"
you misunderstand! i'm a bass player myself and i love sheehan to bits, i can't wait to catch him at a clinic he's doing here soon. i was simply making a generalization about disagreements :)
Scientology is a religion that basically believes in that you can heal yourself, by being clean, pure. They are adamantly against psychiatrist and prescribing meds for mental disorders, you can be pure and clean and heal yourself. However, controversy comes into play when they wont seek some medical condition, when you get to OT high level you learn about Xenu, this alien god, will save us... really weird stuff.
wow.tnx for the info.Coz they tackled this religion on the film BOWFINGER(steve martin and eddie murphy)and i was pretty curious.alot of people also think they are a cult.
Psychiatry felt threatened by us thats why they created web pages contradicting our beliefs in disguise of truth, meaning they create something simmilar but off from the truth that scientology discovered, brought forth to consciousness to the people as a whole allowing people to be miss guided so that they can feel like scientology is false, such as Xenu an other lies when in reality Everybody knows that Xenu is a Character in a Sciencefiction book that Ron L. Hubbard wrote, just look it up!
Billy comes off real and sane. Most Scientologists don't which only makes them look bad (like that couch jumper) Every time Scn. declares someone an SP it admits failure.Scn. is supposed to work. Why doesn't Scn. handle it's SPs if it works?I guess clearing the planet doesn't include the SPs.When Scn. Declares someone it admits failure. Scn. admits it cannot change the state or condition.
However, I must say that it actually looks like Billy looks at Scientology like his religion, just like a Catholic looks at Catholicism, which is different than most Scientologists I have met. Most of them act like it is a mental set and some weird devotion instead of just a religion. Billy also seems to have more of a level head with regards to complying with society's mores and rules, which says a lot for Billy and a lot bad for people like Tom Cruise who acts like maniacs.
THIS IS SCIENCE FICTION PEOPLE! L. Ron Hubbard actually copied many parts of Dianetics from another science fiction writer about 25 years before LRH. He was a fraud and a copy cat who DID NOT think for himself. Scientology kills people. Scientologists are not free thinkers, they are brainwashers and snake oil salesmen.
Billy has the right to his religion and to believe in whatever he wants. However he should learn the truth by googling 'scientology greatest secrets'.
Though I admit that he's disillusioned in his beliefs, Billy was very respectful in this interview. He's one of the few scientologists that you can revere.
Why are you all defending scientology? A religion based on a book by a SCIENCE FICTION writer? I guarentee you if a farmer read Animal Farm he wouldn't go out and kill his livestock in order to maintain control over his farm, why would you believe that Dianetics was truth?
I will give him, however, that he was very calm about this and he argued in the most mature way possible. I respect that much.
I don't really understand the situation. Where are they and who are the other people around him? Are they scientologists too? Sorry, my English is not very good, so I don't understand everything they are saying...
I think I just noticed something... The C0$ has this top 5% of its members who are rich and in the public eye. They treat them like rockstars and make thier lives awesome just so these celebs will say "THIS IS GREAT!"
The average guy sees this and signs up, thinking he's going to get the same treatment, but he gets scamed, robbed, and tricked. This guy and others like it, make up the other 90%.
*New slogan*
Scientology: You can put sprinkles on a turd, but it's still a piece of shit.
Unlike so many Scientology interviews I've seen I dislike Billy Sheehan. He actually seems like a genuinely nice, respectful guy. I just feel really bad for him. Just a misguided individual who I hope one day realizes what kind of freakish cult he supports.
chad3232132 2 weeks ago
Poor guy is so BLIND!!
mattdaddyful 3 months ago
))))interVIEWer...mic...cam...A moment....questions!??!....a FOOL is only known when they open their mouth((((
soundcharmer 6 months ago
Incredible musician -
Completely delusional Human Being
SALESPRODUCTIONS 7 months ago
he has a grip on what is wrong sorta! On the border, hope he can be helped soon!
irishgal5505 8 months ago
From what I've read, Billy was (and still is?) quite the womanizer. I cannot believe that this is something Scientology condones.
iluvj50 8 months ago
I WOULD CALL BILLY A MASTER BASS PLAYER THAT PRACTICED HIS CRAFT A WHOLE LOT, MAYBE HES NOT SUCH AN EXPERT ON THIS STUFF CONSIDERING MOST OF HIS TIME WAS SPENT PLAYING MUSIC, WHEN HE FIRST HEARD CREAM ..MAYBE HE THOUGHT THEY KNEW ALL THE ANSWERS TOO LOL BUT WHO KNOWS - HE KINDA PLAYS LIKE AN ALIEN SOMETIMES HEHE WHO KNOWS LOL
badhorsee 8 months ago
Scientology is the same as Christianity. Both started out like cults.
danukenator123 9 months ago
@danukenator123 ...short for jewish sects.
NikkieRoxxx 5 months ago
i love billy sheean as a bass player. I dont care about scientology or people that are anti-scientology. Im just wondering how billy can hang out with all these musicians, who are notorious for experimenting with all sorts of illegal drugs, and not confront them or notify the authorities, after what he just said here lol.
GRYNreaper001 9 months ago
Billy is class in every possible way,i hold great respect for this man and that wouldn't change even if he believed in flying monkey gods..his choice of religion is his own... the fact that you go to church every sunday doesn't mean anything if you are a douche and a scumbag for the rest of the week...
goran2608 10 months ago
"You can't do anything illegal if you're a $cientologist" HAHAHAHAHA OOOHOO HOO HOO EEHEE HEE HEE! That is positively HILARIOUS!
nowgleaning 11 months ago
It's funny how people think he is crazy for believing what he believes. While it's perfectly "rational" and socially acceptable to believe in virgin births,part seas at the will of a man,and other such "miracles" as o.k.
I think anyone who has imaginary friends they worship are batshit crazy.
rybones1311 1 year ago
@rybones1311... LOL...you're right. Good point of view, bro
reynaldobosquet 1 year ago
Billy is an amazing musician and very well spoken, but why Scientology??? Get real.
DONGOE 1 year ago
hmm.. this gives me a bit more respect for sheehan. yeah.. hes part of a cult that i dont really agree with (frankly i dont get any religion) but hes open, hes honest, he doesnt crack when they are pushing him, and hes not pushing his religion on anyone by saying anyone else is wrong.
agitatedbells 1 year ago
Whoa! scientologists are allowed to swear? 7:58
youztuber5000 1 year ago
@youztuber5000 Whats that in your mouth, oh it's a dick.
bobcatmonster 1 year ago
@bobcatmonster You need to get your eyes checked thats my dick in xenu's mouth.
Overdosed49 1 year ago
@Overdosed49 LOL
spray32 1 year ago
People, who the fuck cares that he is a Scientologist? It's his personal belief, he's allowed to have it. I don't believe in it, and I believe it's some kind of cult. But who cares. If it works for him, let him do it.
BLACKMAGICMETALMAN12 1 year ago
@BLACKMAGICMETALMAN12 Dude, it's fuckin' crazy! You think it's fine there's a bunch of crazy people screwing up society?!
youztuber5000 1 year ago
@youztuber5000 Give me one substantial proven piece of evidence that Scientology is screwing up society.
BLACKMAGICMETALMAN12 1 year ago
@BLACKMAGICMETALMAN12 Did you know what these videos are about? The church of scientology was trying to silence their critics by falsely accusing them of crimes and getting them arrested, but luckily in court their plot was revealed and the cases were dismissed. How is that for proof they are fucking up society. Not to mention it's another bullshit "religion", brainwashing all their followers, robbing them blind, etc...
youztuber5000 1 year ago
scientology = my burned shit
(this is the part when you ROFL...well, what are you waiting for?!?!)
ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL
Acecombatgamertwo 1 year ago
What?!? Ugh!
DLovesTV 1 year ago
This is depressing. I'm not even angry. Just sad.
DaSungandSoul1223 1 year ago
@DaSungandSoul1223 yea me too.....
Acecombatgamertwo 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
ARRRGGHHH Why cant they ban this video for inappropriate content.
mickiew4 1 year ago
4:03 "i look at any internet site i want"
lol from the looks of it, YES HE DOES!!!!!!!!! XD
sunnyjim98 1 year ago
xenu sent billions of peeps into a volcano in a ship that looked like a dc 8 without propellers, and blew their dung up with hydrogen bombs.
these guys must be the DUMBEST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!
sunnyjim98 1 year ago
wow 1:43, "gentleman with a mask" WHAT! ANONYMOUS!!
DrumCoalitionWithWar 1 year ago
Like I said on the other video, Billy is a very polite man and a very talanted musician. But he really made a mistake with these videos, makes him look really dumb TBH.
bajspackare93 1 year ago
oh lovely we all respect each other, but this seem like a plant, its so unusual, i am very suspect of this guy.
thefairlysimple1 1 year ago
To me, all religions are cults and sects, not only scientology, ALL religions.
Mathe212 1 year ago 5
Guy with a mask; Anonymous?
MrXorHomer 1 year ago
@MetamorphousG thats exactly what id like to know...its like they talked in circles, like they are trying to trick you...like a politician...it makes me mad
CarolinaSwethrt 1 year ago
I wish they would have talked about the money cost of Scientology
I know this first person- i lost a dear friend as she went broke paying the "church"
bluex77 1 year ago
goddamit i liked billy sheehan
scientologist fuck
mushroomzagain 1 year ago 3
NO!!!! NOT BILLY SHEEHAN TOO!!! Not cool.
19VanHalen84 1 year ago 5
@19VanHalen84! That's what I said! LOL!
justusleejolliffe 1 year ago
"Study materials and auditing courses are made available to members in return for specified donations.[6] Scientology is legally recognized as a tax-exempt religion founded in 1953 in Camden NJ! Scientology has been surrounded by controversies since its inception. It has often been described as a cult that financially defrauds and abuses its members, charging exorbitant fees for its spiritual services.Scientology's belief that souls ("thetans") reincarnate and have lived on other planets !
!!
panhead1219 1 year ago
@panhead1219 why do they get tax exemptions, I pay tides at church...I should be exempt too!!!
CarolinaSwethrt 1 year ago
@CarolinaSwethrt Tides in the ocean?
Soldano88 1 year ago
ive done a little research about scientology and i dont understand what the big attraction is about it but i must commend billy on his openness and willfulness to share his beliefs with the world. i think he is a class act and would still be one if he were islamic, jewish, hindi, jain, christian, wiccan or anything else.
darrenedesignedu 1 year ago
@darrenedesignedu yeah me too, except he really isnt telling you anything except for that he is a Scientologist. He cant tell you what hes learned or what he is doing or what he believes...its messed up!
CarolinaSwethrt 1 year ago
morons
AmoebaLandsCraft 1 year ago
Billy Sheehan and WBM is the same place? Amazing. :)
I'm glad Billy is so cool about it. Billy was a huge influence on me when I was a youngster. Makes me like him even more.
downwithutube 1 year ago
the cult speaks beware
DainEllis 1 year ago
Billy looks sad and sheepish, but sometimes we just need to be lead somewhere even though we know we are the leader of our destinys
wisesatyr72 1 year ago
FINALLY a guy that doesnt give Scientology a bad name. Sad that the cult is so bat-shit crazy.
ThieleM 1 year ago
Billy says they should be removed... then remove David Miscavage since hes done all these things.
murderousbastard83 1 year ago
Poor guy, its all going to end up in tears, his tears.
Farfallevendetta1234 1 year ago
I met Billy at the NAMM show back when he was in David Lee Roth's band. He really is this calm and sweet guy that you see on the video. If only the other Scientologists could take a lesson from Billy and act this cordial and civil instead of screaming "what are your crimes?" and baiting people...perhaps a dialogue could occur.
get rid of Slappy and make Billy the head of Scientology - perhaps then nobody would be abused or die
Plasticsoul 1 year ago
he is two steps away from kieth richards
colbour 1 year ago
The fact that Billy was only 18 when a stranger came to his door and sold him a book about a cult he never heard of and has been a member ever since shows how niave he really is which, is a pity because he's so down to earth and a talented bassist
esotericeric93 1 year ago
this is the most civil scientology interview i have ever seen!! Good for Billy! He should be there Public relations person!!!
soundwave121 1 year ago 2
@soundwave121 No, it's better if scientology sticks with Tommy as their spokesperson. Tommy is a lot better at showing the world that this is a crazy cult.
lauraleesmithagain 1 year ago
free thinking and religious belief are a contradiction in terms
canvoodoo 2 years ago 3
And what is free thinking? Being able to choose within the range of what youve been taught? you are a product of society and free thinking is a lie! you are free to choose, but only between what someone else put there for you to choose from. Free thinking in my opinion is not thinking at all
hatehead1983 2 years ago
I'm an atheist, but seeing in this video how Billy was totally cool and fair and conducted himself so well makes me not want to pick on Scientologists at all!
MarsRams1 2 years ago 2
I realise you are saying this with a little tongue in cheek, but it's very naive to drop objections to scientology based on one's composure
tommyk77 2 years ago
Actually no tongue-in-cheek at all! :-) I was quite serious. If more Scientologists acted like him (instead of rabid nut jobs accusing people of "crimes"), I think I'd be ok with 'em. I mean, I'm fine with Hindus, but not evangelicals. And why? It's primarily because of their attitudes.
MarsRams1 2 years ago
Well, I know many Christians that act very nice to people, they are always smiling, they give out free tea and coffee outside the students' union, but when you look at little closer you find that they are all homophobic, very sexist, anti-science, close-minded and they have quite an influence on society.
tommyk77 2 years ago
Stop making me defend Christians! I hate doing that! :-) But seriously; Billy seems to display not just kindness and courtesy, but a degree of intellectual honesty here as well. I by no means am taking this brief interview to be the sum total of what he is capable, but all I'm saying is that it's a good sign.
MarsRams1 2 years ago
And I'm agreeing, but expressing skepticism, as this could just be the surface. Things get a little questionable when you dig deeper
thevirtuozo 2 years ago
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@tommyk77well some might be but some Christians like me are not homophobic, not sexist, not anti-science ( i love science), not close-minded, and most of us have barley any influence on society.
epicshot2000 1 year ago
Sign me up!
Neil2112 2 years ago
wow fair game is no longer used so its ok? what the fuck? the fact that it was policy is totally enough to have them legally dragged into court.
pedrofcuk 2 years ago
Celebrity scientologists very often get a bit more room since CoS understands very well the potential PR-horror if a famous long-time member would leave due to their "tough love". Cruise for example, he can pretty much do whatever he wants, nobody in CoS will be hounding him. Celebrities are part of the "ivory tower" or protected members, the vip's, within Scientology.
LeoAlbus 2 years ago
Vitamne B that is affecting the brain
KittyKatSpanker 2 years ago
Wow. An honest Scientologist. WTF. I'm so confused.
MrWinston1984 2 years ago 2
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who else noticed that Billy a Scientologist was the only person there who wasn't an asshole those jerk offs in the really gay masks were fuckin douchebags. Scientology isnt so stupid when compared to all of these other dumbass religions the most retarded being Catholisism
fukthejonasbros 2 years ago
They're all dumb. Anyone being an honest intellectual would agree that no religion has enough backing it to be considered seriously
tommyk77 2 years ago
Yep, there´s one, the oldest one in the human history, well, at least in the written history, the one of the egyptians, o mayas, when they adored the sun, wich...you can fairly say that yes, it´s the source of life of this planet.
darkisoangel 2 years ago
he can't have respect to the catholic church because jesus was a suppressive according to scientology. also the catholic church is suppressive so he has no respect for them
1useyourbrain1 2 years ago
Well I guess he wasn't lying when he said he's a free thinker lol.
schwarg 2 years ago
He seems very nice and very polite. Why, though, does he believe in this idiotic cult? Then again, I don't understand why anyone believes in a religion based on a Science Fiction novel.
NothingSacred27 2 years ago 37
Isn't most religion based on "science fiction"? Oh well, he's a musical genius, at least he has that! Much respect!
watersigns01 2 years ago
It's the mythology behind it.
lancimouspitt 2 years ago
@NothingSacred27 Being a nice/polite person has nothing to do with your beliefs or intelligence. People confuse the two very often.
R3TU4NmyP13 1 year ago
@R3TU4NmyP13 - I wasn't necessarily equating his politeness with intelligence. I was simply giving him credit for what I consider admirable personality traits. He was being grilled and never lost his composure or resorted to attacking, I just wanted to give credit where it's due.
Unfortunately, he still evaded many of the important questions and was never completely willing to address the issues with some of his beliefs or with the "church" as a whole.
NothingSacred27 1 year ago
@NothingSacred27 is it not as bad as believeing in a book that says the earth is flat? or that the earth is the center of the universe? lmao in the bible, god doesnt even know how magnets work. but yeah scientologists must just be dumb.
Siiafu 5 months ago
After reading the full wikipedia article and researching the internet for a long time I still can't understand what's their ponit?
RediForKing 2 years ago
Billy is obviously trying to defend something as indefendable and hollow as scientology. he's being nice but somehow it seems he doesnt see the pointlessness of the argument.
basshred 2 years ago 4
He seems like a really nice guy.
crosswalkernie 2 years ago 5
billy seems like such a nice dude... it's too bad hes batshit insane.
DickMotorman 2 years ago 63
@DickMotorman yeah seems nice. Batshit, now thats funny. Nice one.
badboogerfinger 1 year ago
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The wrong actions of some Scientologists isn't representative of us as a whole. Lisa McPherson, and people who do "fair game" etc..., are single individual incidents that concerns only those involved. Not every Scientologist attacks someone everyday.
Khafrad 2 years ago
The only good scientologist in the world.
SharksKid 2 years ago 2
I would wager most of them are terrific people. It's the management that are causing the fraud and abuse.
Billy's just the nicest one on camera and one of the only ones who knows not to be a dope and follow the "always attack, never defend" training of Scientology.
XENUTV 2 years ago 2
Good point.
SharksKid 2 years ago
Billy Sheehan goes "straight to the cops" when he knows someone has pot? Jesus. That's harsh. No wonder no one wants to work with him anymore.
musiccalgary 2 years ago
Vote Billy Sheehan for Leader of Scientology.
Topazman12 2 years ago 2
I vote this guy:
watch?v=tie79oZsYmA
MrWinston1984 2 years ago
Can't do anything illegal? Do the Scientologists still stalk and harass people with cameras? If yes, then that is illegal.
Topazman12 2 years ago 2
the dude is cool :D u got to love it , even if hes in cult ...
dav4ix 2 years ago 3
Hi Sir,
Scientology ist eine Sekte. Es ist nicht zu glauben, dass ein so fantastischer Musiker auf so eine Vereinigung hereinfällt. You're a fuckin' shame to the bass-playin community.
Get out of scientology. It's a community of brainwashed bastards.
Please, do yourself a favour and get outa there.
Regards
Henning
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akuninbesuden 3 years ago
All organized religion are scams. They all function the same way. Certainly Scientology IS an aggressive cult, but it uses the same principles as any other organized religion.
VioletClub 3 years ago
You make a statement but fail to back it up with proof.
barrenground 3 years ago
"You make a statement but fail to back it up with proof."
Whatever you say, professor.
VioletClub 3 years ago
whatever, the man is an amazing bassist, so who cares what faith he is, even if it is some crazy religion like mormons, hahahaha lets see what that gets me
teeheise 3 years ago
who ever made this video should get a life.... how many christians commit crimes every day??? the priests are the worst!!!! abusing little kids and running off with sumones wife!!!! should i go out and paint all u christians with the murderer and pedaphile brush?? after watching this video ... maybee i should! i am of no faith at all! we live ... we die... were no significant in life to a mammal or a rodent! thats my view... respect it! and fukk off! just like u should respect scientologist's!
stevensteel11 3 years ago
Everyone commits crimes. It's human nature. In fact, THE POINT IS that we screwed up in the first place. Adam and Eve sinned, and they and the rest of the human race bear the consequence for that sin. The good news is that Christ came, condemning (sp?) no one, but instead, dying for everyone, so that we can have eternal life instead of eternal consequence, if we would only accept Christ's gift of salvation. It's not about being "holier than thou", but seeking to glorify God through our lives!
WoodstaS 3 years ago
ok... ive studied scientology this past week... and i gotta admitt im shocked... its very cult like and quite freaky... but never the less.... i still respect people's decision's.... as i make my own too... im my view 'jeasus' was possably just as whacky as this Huburd guy!! lmao
stevensteel11 3 years ago
Hehe well everyone is entitled to their own opinion. To many people in his day, Jesus was a freak. He claimed to be God in human form and did stuff that would make that street magician guy look like a birthday party clown. Nevertheless, I put my trust in Him!
WoodstaS 3 years ago
At least part of what you say is true--you are no more significant than a rodent.
barrenground 3 years ago
Btw I'm a poet though :) And artist.
jdtrickster4 3 years ago
Also, doctrine & dogma are two diff words & though they're sometimes be interchangeable; they don't mean exactly the same thing.
For ex., The four noble truths summarize the main "doctrines" of Buddhism but there's no "dogma" attached here for they've nothing to do with morality or faith proper, per se and definitely not "set forth in an authoritative manner by a church."
Here's a little synonym study:
DOCTRINE refers to a theory based on carefully worked out principles & taught or advocated
jdtrickster4 3 years ago
I personally think that organised religion is dangerous anyway, but any religion that teaches that aliens brought us here in spacecrafts, and who look first at your bank balance before accepting you, is highly suspicious in my book.
And to paraphprase Groucho Marx, I'd never be a member of a religion that would have Tom Cruise as a member!!
EddieG1888 3 years ago
Any organization of humans is dangerous in that the imperfections of each human meet and collide in ways that cause observable chaos.
Marlowann 3 years ago
Hemos perdido a un gran Bajista.Hagamos un minuto de silencio.
lfpj 3 years ago
You can't be in a religion and be a free thinker, it is a oxy moron. Good bass player or not Sheehan is a wanker.
blowoffsorrow 3 years ago
Why can't you be in a religion while still being a free thinker?
Marlowann 3 years ago
Because you are told what to think by a bible or doctrine.
blowoffsorrow 3 years ago
I can choose wether or not to believe in the bible and in what ways to believe in it, and rather than accepting dogmatically everything a given church authority might say of it, I reflect heavily upon interpretation of the bible and I do research.
Is it also true, however, that an Atheist is not a "free thinker" in that he is not free to believe in God?
Marlowann 3 years ago
DOGMA! 1. An authoritative principle, belief or statement of opinion, especially one considered to be absolutely true, regardless of scientific proof.
In the Catholic Church, new dogmas can only be declared by the pope after the extremely rare procedure ex cathedra to make them part of the official faith. 2. A doctrine or a set of doctrines relating to matters such as morality and faith, set forth in an authoritative manner by a church.
There's no free-thinking after that.
jdtrickster4 3 years ago
Your first definition is one I agree with much more than your second one. I simply understand dogmatic behavior to be involving of accepting a principle to be irrevocably true, regardless of logical proof.
If you think all religious people are dogmatic, you are ignorant. Any smart religious person knows that exploring the doubts of one's self is vital for development of their philosophy. Have you ever tried living a mature and intellectually honest religious life? It's far from impossible.
Marlowann 3 years ago
They're not MY definitions. They're the 2 definitions on the Wiktionary here online. And they are what they are & say. IMHO the 1st is the main & generalized def. of the word. The 2nd is more specific & applicable to religious doctrines, etc. I don't know about all religious ppl being dogmatic but ALL religions have a DOGMA.
Personally, I don't buy into any religion but I consider myself a spiritual person. Spirituality & religion are two diff things. But I DO find myself being quite ignorant.
jdtrickster4 3 years ago
I'm not surprised that they're not your definitions. But your analysis of each definition seems accurate.
The second definition seems unnecessary, given how close it is to the word "doctrine" itself. So "dogma" meaning "doctrine," yes, all religions have a dogma in that sense.
Also, can you send me a private message regarding your being a spiritual person? I've heard of such philosophies but no-one has really explained them to me.
Marlowann 3 years ago
...They're close & there's an obvious relation but you wouldn't consider a beautiful sunrise or scenery; nature, or say, the innocent smile of a child or the love of a woman for her offspring - even an animal - "religious" but they are "spiritual;" at least to me. I'm sure also, you've heard of someone having a "spiritual" experience that wasn't necessarily a "religious" one; though they can crisscross sometimes.
jdtrickster4 3 years ago
Why do you say you are not surprised? I'm curious.
As for the 2nd def., I don't feel it's, as you say, "unnecessary." It is specific to, as it states, "morality and faith, set forth in an authoritative manner by a church." The 1st one has nothing to do with church or faith & morality; so the 2nd IS necessary to make THAT distinction which does exist. But what do I know?
As for your question, religion involves the association of ppl in a manner resembling a religious institution or cult...
jdtrickster4 3 years ago
I'm not surprised because many people use online dictionaries (not a bad thing).
The second meaning you presented is unnecessary for the reason that the word "doctrine" already fits that definition well enough.
Saying that religion involves the association of people in manner of a religious institution is simply stating the obvious, and your usage of the word "cult" seems to be a sweeping generalization of religious practices, unless you'd like to specify exactly what you mean by "cult."
Marlowann 3 years ago
Well, I'm the proud owner of FIVE dictionaries; not counting 'language-language dictionaries., thesaurus, etc. I love Linguistics and as a hobby, study the etymology of words - which I think it's very revealing and telling of the culture, origins of the diff. words, etc. But I use online dictionaries, too. I have several saved as favorites. :)
jdtrickster4 3 years ago
I've got the Oxford American dictionary on my computer, Webster's dictionary somewhere in my house, I study Latin, Greek, and Rhetoric, and my parents are sometimes grammar nazis.
Hah!
Marlowann 3 years ago
"I've got the Oxford American dictionary on my computer, Webster's dictionary somewhere in my house, I study Latin, Greek, and Rhetoric..."
Good. Then you can do a more proper & in-depth study of these two words, if you like.
Dogma implies an opinion or tenet one thinks is good & comes from the Greek while Doctrine comes from the Latin & has more to do with teachings or what is taught, etc.
jdtrickster4 3 years ago
"Saying...religion involves the association of people in manner of a religious institution is...stating the obvious..."
The Wiktionary is doing that. I pasted & copied THEIR def. for expediency & accuracy. It's a meaning of religion & the one I intended to use.
I don't understand what you mean by my usage of 'cult' being a sweeping generalization of religious practices. Can you clarify?
A Cult is a group/doctrine with religious, philosophical or cultural identity sometimes viewed as a sect.
jdtrickster4 3 years ago
Also, I wanted to point out that sometimes in order to put across thoughts & concepts in a clear & distinct manner, the use of words & their diff nuances is valuable, indeed priceless, if we're to hone in on exactly what we try to convey. Many words are close to others of the same group or class but it doesn't make any unnecessary. That's what makes our language rich & expressive & why we have synonyms that no matter how close they may be, offer varied shades & colors to the rainbow of language.
jdtrickster4 3 years ago
Synonyms are no doubt useful, but I was pointing out the second definition of dogma to be so alike to the definition of doctrine that it is unnecessary and potentially confusing for discussion. Synonyms are for more poetic purpose than discussion, because discussion requires premises that are built on clear and definite words that are not to be confused with each other.
Marlowann 3 years ago
"Synonyms are for more poetic purpose than discussion, because discussion requires premises that are built on clear and definite words that are not to be confused with each other."
I disagree with this & your other stmt but regardless that's why I used the word DOGMA instead of DOCTRINE because they're NOT the same. One can speak of a problem with DOGMA without necessarily imputing a DOCTRINE.
Language & the diff nuances of wds are required for clarity & not just in poetry but SCIENCE, for ex.
jdtrickster4 3 years ago
...by its adherents; DOGMA refers to a belief or doctrine that is handed down by authority as true and indisputable, and may connote arbitrariness, arrogance, etc. Ex.: religious dogma; TENET connotes a component belief or principle of a system or theory Ex,: the tenets of Christianity; PRECEPT refers to an injunction or dogma intended as a rule of action or conduct. Ex.: Teach by example rather than by precept.
They're diff nuances more appropriate at times depending on subject matter, etc.
jdtrickster4 3 years ago
You know, your knowledge of this word is rather convincing.
But I'm simply trying to say that I roughly define "dogma" as "zealous belief in principles regardless of opposing facts or arguments."
Something like that...
Marlowann 3 years ago
I agree with your definition. That's why I may not have any problem with Christian DOCTRINE but I sometimes have a problem with some peoples' or institutions' DOGMA.
jdtrickster4 3 years ago
YES!!! Agreement!! Understanding!
Marlowann 3 years ago
Beautiful! Peace! Harmony! Even Love!!! ;) ARC! No, no, no, wait a minute, that's $cn LoL
I knew we'd get there, somehow. :)
jdtrickster4 3 years ago
Seems to me none of the bad stuff happen to people who can keep giving money. As soon as someones bank account is depleted bad things begin to happen to them.
Rhavaniae 3 years ago
Wow
I'll never be able to look at Billy Sheehan the same way...
He's my hero right after Justin Chancellor from TOOL.
Bassfiend567 3 years ago
When he said "I Think" the guy behind him turned around the sign to read "You Think"
JoeandOlly 3 years ago
"When he said "I Think" the guy behind him turned around the sign to read "You Think""
When in the video was that? (Like, at 2:47 or 0:36 or whatever)
11Jamie11 2 years ago
it was at about 3:55
JoeandOlly 2 years ago
Oh, yeah. That's a funny coincidence. :) The sign says more than that, but that's all that was showing in the camera shot right then.
11Jamie11 2 years ago
I appreciate that you respect my beliefs that I respect and appreciate your ideas.
xodusattack 3 years ago
If somebody can be in Scientology or any other religion for that matter from 1971, it definitely has done them good. There is no doubt about that. And Billy Sheehan is a bass player who plays with Steve Vai, who is not a Scientologist for that matter, but somebody who follows a different Indian spiritual path known as Sant Math. And that speaks a lot.
naminnooman 3 years ago
That's the think when you pay alot of money and can fork it, you don't have to do those other things that people with money have to do.
Imariscent 3 years ago
I respect that you respect that you respect what I'm saying...
bowiemott 3 years ago
gotta love how everyone says "i respect you even though i don't agree with you"
that's bullshit. deep down they're thinking "you're a loser, but i've got to pretend that i think you're alright because it's politically-correct time"
armchaircriticTV 3 years ago
That in itself is bullshit man!
I thought down on Scientologists because of how they act until I found out Billy Sheehan is a Scientologist.
I don't agree with it either but to say I'm PC because I respect him? I'm the most no PC I know...I don't give a shit, but I respect Billy Sheehan.
He's a humble man, great to talk to, and he's one of my highest bass inspirations.
What you think, on the other hand, don't mean jack to me. It;s your opinnion...that you are wrong cannot be helped.
KongoXIIV 3 years ago
you misunderstand! i'm a bass player myself and i love sheehan to bits, i can't wait to catch him at a clinic he's doing here soon. i was simply making a generalization about disagreements :)
armchaircriticTV 3 years ago
what is scientology ?
Louisbass0017 3 years ago
Scientology is a religion that basically believes in that you can heal yourself, by being clean, pure. They are adamantly against psychiatrist and prescribing meds for mental disorders, you can be pure and clean and heal yourself. However, controversy comes into play when they wont seek some medical condition, when you get to OT high level you learn about Xenu, this alien god, will save us... really weird stuff.
tellurye 3 years ago
wow.tnx for the info.Coz they tackled this religion on the film BOWFINGER(steve martin and eddie murphy)and i was pretty curious.alot of people also think they are a cult.
Nikkorea 3 years ago
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Psychiatry felt threatened by us thats why they created web pages contradicting our beliefs in disguise of truth, meaning they create something simmilar but off from the truth that scientology discovered, brought forth to consciousness to the people as a whole allowing people to be miss guided so that they can feel like scientology is false, such as Xenu an other lies when in reality Everybody knows that Xenu is a Character in a Sciencefiction book that Ron L. Hubbard wrote, just look it up!
Scygoons 3 years ago
FUCK SCIENTOLOGY
yannis5 3 years ago 5
Billy comes off real and sane. Most Scientologists don't which only makes them look bad (like that couch jumper) Every time Scn. declares someone an SP it admits failure.Scn. is supposed to work. Why doesn't Scn. handle it's SPs if it works?I guess clearing the planet doesn't include the SPs.When Scn. Declares someone it admits failure. Scn. admits it cannot change the state or condition.
998987987698765 3 years ago
However, I must say that it actually looks like Billy looks at Scientology like his religion, just like a Catholic looks at Catholicism, which is different than most Scientologists I have met. Most of them act like it is a mental set and some weird devotion instead of just a religion. Billy also seems to have more of a level head with regards to complying with society's mores and rules, which says a lot for Billy and a lot bad for people like Tom Cruise who acts like maniacs.
trex257 3 years ago
THIS IS SCIENCE FICTION PEOPLE! L. Ron Hubbard actually copied many parts of Dianetics from another science fiction writer about 25 years before LRH. He was a fraud and a copy cat who DID NOT think for himself. Scientology kills people. Scientologists are not free thinkers, they are brainwashers and snake oil salesmen.
trex257 3 years ago
Like Christianity is bound to be any better.
archontic 3 years ago
Billy Sheehan, the only like-able scientologist!
wayout71 3 years ago
Billy has the right to his religion and to believe in whatever he wants. However he should learn the truth by googling 'scientology greatest secrets'.
aidita2000 3 years ago 2
Though I admit that he's disillusioned in his beliefs, Billy was very respectful in this interview. He's one of the few scientologists that you can revere.
Mike3303 3 years ago 3
this is good one
mrperu85 3 years ago
Last comment: The poster of this video is SOOOOO sued.
ziggo3 3 years ago
Why are you all defending scientology? A religion based on a book by a SCIENCE FICTION writer? I guarentee you if a farmer read Animal Farm he wouldn't go out and kill his livestock in order to maintain control over his farm, why would you believe that Dianetics was truth?
I will give him, however, that he was very calm about this and he argued in the most mature way possible. I respect that much.
ziggo3 3 years ago 3
omg i just for the first ever time heard billy swear lol
langerz93 3 years ago
I don't really understand the situation. Where are they and who are the other people around him? Are they scientologists too? Sorry, my English is not very good, so I don't understand everything they are saying...
FranconianBassplayer 3 years ago
I think I just noticed something... The C0$ has this top 5% of its members who are rich and in the public eye. They treat them like rockstars and make thier lives awesome just so these celebs will say "THIS IS GREAT!"
The average guy sees this and signs up, thinking he's going to get the same treatment, but he gets scamed, robbed, and tricked. This guy and others like it, make up the other 90%.
*New slogan*
Scientology: You can put sprinkles on a turd, but it's still a piece of shit.
DKHellsing 3 years ago 4
Smart Post.
KaltundKlar 3 years ago