i am a sri lankan. before our island was inhabited by indo aryan speakers as the legends say, one of the tribes occupied it was naga people (cobra people) a sea fairing tribe. some times this punt people may have a trading post in our country too. i have heard that our cinnamon is found in ancient Egyptian tombs.
@prasasea That is interesting. An Ancient Egyptian story has a sailor getting lost and finding an Island called Punt, which was ruled by a great snake.
@rahotep101 i cannot jump into conclusions that ancient egyptians have come from our country, but it i highly possible that originally they were an asiatic tribe.there looks are very close to south asians than to africans. the somalis may also have belong to this tribe but later on must have mixed with africans.modern egyptians are a mixture of original tribe,north africans,arabs,greeks sub saharan africans etc. thats why over the course of time there looks have changed so much.
No I was refering to Southern Egypt. Not Nubia, (Cush). However, You haven't explained the Falcon Tribe that came in from the Near East and formed the 1 Dynasty. Do you maintian that theory? If so what archeological evidence do you have that suports it?
Modern Egyptians and all africans and black people have that tropical body plan. Did the Mediteranean and Europeans have a Tropical body plan too? Which is why the Ancient Egyptians clustered with other Africans including Sub Saharan Africans. You haven't supported the story told in your video about the Falcon Tribe at all. Everything about Ancient Egypt is Egyptian from their language, culture, place or origin, its was a local origin and not foriegn.
@madkeyra Egyptian language was not Cushistic, unlike the tongue of the Nubians. If Egypt was primarily populated by people coming up from the south this doesn't make much sense.
@rahotep101 Egyptian language is certainly not Semitic.
The only language besides basque which has it's own branch of a 'language family'. It's absurd. You can't link Ancient Egyptian to any other Semitic language, only state that in a brrrroooooooooad general sense it's related (as if Semitic is only found outside of Africa anyway).
Yea, Does Meditteraneans and Eurpeans have a Tropical body plan? The Ancient Egyptians were proven to have Tropical body plans like other Africans. The limb porportions are more reliable than cranial analysis. The language, culture, etc was all Egyptians. Theres no evidence that outsides came into Egypt and formed the first Dynasty like your video proclaims.
@madkeyra Southrn Egypt is in the tropics, and the climate of the whole country was tropical until late Predynastic. From what I gather, however, modern Egyptians have the same body proportions as the ancients did.
If the peoples of the Near East and Summerian peoples formed the Dynastic period in Ancient Egypt, why the ancient Egyptians spoke an Afro Asiatic language instead of Sumerian or Semetic? Why didn't these people have no influence on the Egyptians launguage or culture.?
The Dynastic Race Theory is Out dated, Like Petrie, Emery, And Rohls According to KEITA,, Afro Asiatic Language and people were indigenious to Africa and a branch of Africa. If a Super Race, or Dynastic Race come into Africa from the Middle East why didn't the A.E. speak Sumerian or Semetic Language? Archeology supports that Ancient Egyptians did not come from the Near East but Southern Egypt. The writing Flora & Fauna is Nilotic and developed locally
@rahotep1ol If the Sumerians or Phonecians, (Falcon Tribe), formed the first Dynasty and were the Puntites.Why didn't the Ancient Egyptians speak a Semetic Language or Sumerian? The Dynastic Race was formed by Southern Egyptians.According to Keita, their is no reason to believe another Ethnic group came to Egypt and formed the 1st Dynasty and Archeological evidence dosnt support that theory.Archeological evidence does support that A.E. Cluster more with other Africans and formed the s1st Dynasty
Frankincense from Arabia. Do you know that it grows in Somalia, Kenya, Eritrea, Somalia too? Oh your trying to make a connection with Africa and Arabia even though there isn't. You explaination of the latter and former makes no sense. Where on the tomb walls do you see Asiatic men? I see black men. The Queen, King and all it men are black African living in Africa. The Egyptians depicted Asicatics and it didn't look like those in your video. Stop trying to steal African history.
For example, An intermarriage of an African and European, the offspring can't be an example of how Europeans physically looked nor Africans.Yes, the person is of both European and African descent but not a good example of pysical traits of neither ethnic group.The person would exhibit both ethnic traits or more or less. Modern Egyptians are not a good example of physcial traits of Native Egyptians, due to intermarriages, Accounts from Caucasian scholars, and the Natives themselves.
Most of the modern Egyptians do not look like the Ancient Egyptians due to intermarriages with the Greeks Romans, Christians, Arabs, British. The Ancient Egyptians depicted themselves as a very dark people. On Ramses Tomb wall it is very clear that the Ancient Egyptians saw themselves way darker than Europeans and Caucasians. That depiction of th Native Egyptians, Modern day Egyptians are a mixture of Ancent Egyptians and all of its invaders, Greeks, Romans, Christians, Arabs, and British.
I wish you people could be proud of your own ancestors and ancestrial land. Regardless how the people look, where their located ther limb poportions you still come with this Asiactic, Caucaisn theory. Now the Puntites were Asiatic because they boarder the Meditteranean. You people are crazy. Be proud of your ancestrial land and who you are. Africans don't look like you, have the same color, or culture as you, don't dress like you. Africans populated this Earth and is found all over it.
@madkeyra I am perfectly proud of my land, and my ancestors, Celts and Saxons and Normans. I have never denied my past or called the ancient Egyptians my ancestors, unlike negrocentrists, who do this all the time. The descendants of the ancient Egyptians are the modern Egyptians. They don't look like black Americans, for the most part, and neither did their ancient Egyptian ancestors.
@rahotep101 Archeology has proven differently.The Ancient Egyptians Cluster with other Africans more than Caucasians or Euorpeans and they also Cluster with African Americans than White Americans. Its the Tropical body plan that Africans have that Euorpeans and Caucasians don't. If the Ancient Egyptians were not black peopleWhy would they cluster with black Americans than White Americans?On every front it proves that the Ancient Egyptians were black people living in a black land.
@madkeyra Egyptians cluster with other north Africans, and then other Mediterraneans, and Europeansnot with negroes. That is the case in terms of cranio-facial morphology and dental mass/structure and configuration.
if some1 said Punt da in my language it means my home or our home
i think this people missinterperted it wrong and you guys are running away
with it, this people wanna proof that people whom kinda look like them are
cable of anything great, Kartoum in my langauge means meeting point for the 2 rivers,Cairo means 2,when the nile river reachs cario it split into 2 breanchs, all relate to the great nile, we have stroies of our nation been exiled jst like the jewish n more
Lnad of punt has been confirmed to be in Today's eritrea + djbouti...So far 60,000 artifacts has been found including the ancient capital of qohioto,port of adu-la the plain of "Ona" regions of hamsu (today hamaseen),among discovered many pots and logs of ancient egyptian middle kingdoms,almost 100 mummies and a tomb of unknown 19th dynasty pharoh,according to diggers they haven't even scartched the surface yet and already close to 70,000 artifacts been discovered behind egypt on 85,000 artifact
@rahotep101 Just google it or even search youtube Eritrea+land of punt,if u happen to go to central eritrea and take a stroll in the plains u wold see pots,ancient egyptians logs,tombs on the ground in quantity u wouldn't believe,ancient towns like hakir,qohoito or matara is the centre of punt,there is even paintings that dates 10,000b.c on the walls surrounding the area's,I remember in egypt many egyptians who studied the mummies told me that eritreans and middle kingdom mummies were identical.
hi maybe sirwallaby knows more than I, but I do have some info that might on this that might interest you. And if you pray for peace in Eritrea, you might get the chance to see the sights yourself.:) It's said that about 98% of our historical sites are under ground, due to constant issues with USA etc.
I know that Punt is in Eritrea as Dr. Domini and two other experts. And I know about the Egyptian tombs and that lots of artifact from that era have been found, for instance Ona site. But you seem as you know a bit more than I do, could you please contact me and provide me the info. I would be delighted!! Love and Peace for the lovely Eritrea, we deserve peace just like anyone else. And Go go, Palestinians and Somalians!! We shall overcome someday
The Ancient Egyptians were black. Thats how they depicted themselves. The Ancients themselves cleary defferenciated themsleves from other caucasoid people ot that time.
@sajokal20 Maybe black Africans went to down the Arabian pennisula and founded the
Sumerians and Phoencia because the people I seen painted from Ancient Egypt were black and don't look like the people you say they are today. Sorry. They look like Africans and not Arabs. Somalians, Ethiopians, Sudaneese, Eritrea, people not Arabs.
@madkeyra That Ethiopians may have travelled in the Middle East is a possibility I'm open to. However I suspect you've been taking in videos in which a hardly representative sample has been presented. Modern Egyptians look much the same as the ancients.
@rahotep101 DEAD. First time i saw this video.. and i didnt kno you were that dishonest. really. Pareti & Ati asiatics? LMAO they are painted as BLACK. This is so wrong in so many level..it doesnt even make sense. Phoenician? they talked about Punt in the 5th dynasty and they went there even before. Phoenicians didnt even existed yet LMAO they depicted wild animals Elephants, Girafe and imported resins which is common to the horn and yemen.. LMAO but the wild animals=> The horn
hey folks, land of Punt is on South East Asia! make your own research on these.. - Land of Punt - Ophir - Chersonesus Aurea @ Golden Chersonese - Suvarnabhumi/Suvarnadvipa - Prester John - Sanfotsi - Zabag - Sriwijaya @ Srivijaya.. there is 4 "keywords" you will see, which is GOLD, WEALTH, PORT & TRADE.. there is an international reputation since King Solomon - Roman time - European Colonizations.. sorry dude, Land of Punt are simply not in Africa..
Champollion,the frensh linguist and historian who discovered the hyeroglyphs wrote ::"« " The first tribes which populated Egypt, that is to say , Nile valley between the cataract(waterfall) of Syène and the sea, came from Abyssinia. " Champollion-Figeac, "Ancient Egypt", p. 27. ...( Ancient Abyssinia represents now "Ethiopia,Erytrea ,Djibouti,Somalia ) Diodore of Sicilus ,greec historian said in his book "Universal History" that egyptians were an Ethiopian Colony of populating led by Osiris .
Interesting video. But what is your source for the Punt to Phoenicia connection? Byblos was an established city about 8,000 years ago. Are you saying that you believe that the enigmatic Sea Peoples who conjoined with the Canaanites to become the Phoenicians were actually from Ancient Somalia? I can add a genetic plank to this hypothesis, as the Yemen VERY high in J1 (80%), which is also the Canaanite yDNA and was later referred to as being 'Semitic', because it includes the sons of Shem, J1e.
@MrRouXRenard The idea is that the Phoenicians may have come *via* Somalia rather than from it, having their original home in the Persian Gulf. Of course it's a speculative idea. I don't think Phoenicians were the same as the Sea People whose raids were so destructive, because the sea people appear to have come from the west rather than the east. Canaanites (in the Bible) are said to be Hamitic rather than Semitic, but Semites and Hamites both have Mesopotamian origins.
Rahotep is a liar, Hamitic and Semitic are not Mesopotamian origins, he is saying this because Noah and his family landed in Mount Ararat after the flood but what he FAILS to mention is, way before the flood, Adam, the ancestor of Noah originated in Africa Cush, because the 1st two lands mention as being home of Adam was Havilah and Ethiopia and Havilah, which was the entrance of EDEN (1st river) was a son of Cush and Ethiopia is were he was formed the ground, Africa was 1st.
Rahotep will try to prove his point with other strawman sources but he can't prove it with the Bible, because in the Bible no other Lands are mention before Havilah and Ethiopia and both are Cushite African lands, I would say the Bible agrees with Science with the discoveries of Ardi and Dinkenesh.
This video is Pseudo, because he is getting his information from a early 19th century White Supremist named William Flinders Petire who came up with the Dynastic Race Myth, that eastern invaders came into Egypt and conquered it, this watered down Dynastic Race Myth is no accepted in Academia and the LAND of PUNT was located in the Horn of Africa of East Ethiopia and the Somali coast, which was not too far from were they discovered Ardi and Lucy.
@raidio1 Flinders Petrie was one of the greatest and most respected archarologists of all time. He devised methods that are still in use today. His conclusions were based on painstaking work in the field. eg at Neqada, not on prejudice alone. DRT does still have some academic support, meanwhile, and your arguments about the location of Punt do not contradict it.
hehe u euroecentric a.k.a thiefs neanderthalish theifs and closet-Racists make me laugh..
uif u wanna know where the location of Land of Punt is, just look at your own white bbc journalists they allways display the land of Punt a.k.a Puntland = modernday Somalia... thanks to the so-called Pirates hehe !
u fraud, ur falsehood is bound to Perish, so better enjoy it whilst it last, u imposter u aint proud of ur own Germanic cro magnon interbreeding with the last few Neanderthals history huh
@CushiticSomalianMale You provoked me before and I was unduly rude about Somalia, even though it clearly has its problems. And I do think you are a hypocrite and a fool to use 'neanderthal' and 'racist' in the same sentence. And as I said, 'Puntland' in Somalia is a modern name, invented in 1998.
lol, dont be suprised my dear, innteligent sista, Falsehood is bound to perish,
so in other words the falsehood and factdistorting agendas these so-called whites a.k.a part-Neanderthals/cromagnons come up with, their falsehood is sooner or later bound to Perish..
so im glad innteligent sistas like urself, can comprehend that, so yeh dont be suprised sis, just expose these nutheads for who, what they are, nuthing buth a bunch of part-Neanderthals that aint never satisfied... lol
@CushiticSomalianMale LOL at these neanderthals, what they dont know is the ladd of Punt is the heart of Somalia. We have a proof and they dont...............they're still guessing
@missgarowe no there is doubt, it might have been further south in Africa. i read a study that showed that Punt was thought said to be traveled to by the nile originally. and that Egyptians started going to punt via the red sea only because anti-egyptian rulers became prominate in that region and that the nile as a access point becomes a known route again during and after the period in which the Nubian's conquered Egypt and after they lost controll, because they kept friendly with them.
I have study history ! Summer and Elam were black civilisation , they were realised after Ancient Egypt by the Ethiopians Kings . So stop lies , if I were you , I would eliminate this videos full of insense .
@rahotep101,I respect you Rahotep , Don't confuse History ok , 1)Sumer and Elam were the black civilisation of Asia , near Babylone as the historians said . 2)Punt was the Ancient name of Somalia and Ethiopia ,Horn of Africa . And Ancient Egyptians said that they come from Punt and also Somali people have the same ancient-egyptian culture untill now . Phenicians come from Red Sea also in horn of Africa and they were the cousins of Ancient Egyptians with the same Origins ,Red Sea in Punt .
@rahotep101 You have to read History of Herodotus ancient greek historian , and the "Black Nations and culture" by Cheikh ANta Diop , When you want to post a video and to advocate one idea please post your sources and proofs . Because , it is shamful to say confusing and misunderstanding things in order to satisfy your ego . Read history before posting lies in Youtube . Thanks , excuse me if I hurted you with my advices , I just want that others persons understimate all your videos at all
@sajokal20 Diop is not a reputable source, being a raging afrocentric. And Herodotus described the Egyptians as having burnt skin and wooly hair, mainly because at the time, burnt skin meant brownish, and wooly hair just meant curly.
Besides that, the only truly black people within 3000 miles of Egypt are the Nubians. They didn't come from Nubia. The Egyptians came from two places at the very beginning: Mesopotamia, and Ethiopia.
@sajokal20 Neither Mesopotamia, nor Ethiopia are anything that can be called black. They are both Semitic. The closest living thing to the original Egyptians are the Coptic people. They're not black.
Since races don't just vanish, and never have, you're going to have to provide some solid proof that Egyptians remotely resembled West Africans, and not Caucasian Ethiopians and Mesopotamians.
Also, English is a language, not a five dollar whore. Please stop abusing it.
@Cainus44 , ahahhahahaha You don't know the history . We understand by reading your false lies . You just want to steal the african civilisation because they were the best and don't be racist , because you suggest that black people can not created civilisation . Herodotus , the ancient greek historian has written in his book that Ethiopians and Egyptians were black with frizzy hair . the coptic are mixed with semits and macedonians when alexander conquered Egypt .Go study our past
@sajokal20 Herodotus used the word 'melanchroes' which means dark, not 'aethiopes' which was the Greek word for black Africans. The majority of Egyptian images are not black, and nearly all have caucasoid features. And the vast majority of ancient egyptian mummies have straight or somewhat wavy hair. None have 'frizzy' hair. Ancient Egyptians were essentially the same as modern Egyptians. Greeks and (recently arriving) Semites made little or no impact on the general population.
@rahotep101,Herodotus has written they were african indigenous ,not caucasoid.Ancient Greeks historians have written in their books "for Example Diodore of Sicilus in his book "Universal History" has written that ancient egyptians were ethiopians and they were from a populating colony led by Osiris . Also Herodotus said that "ethiopians " have "have straight and wavy hair . So you have to read the History of witness greeks historians because History was falsified in the time of Napoleon 1798
@sajokal20 Except there are several races of Caucasian indigenous to Africa, such as the Ethiopians and Berber. Egyptians were partially descended from the former. Herodotus had no way of knowing the whole truth. I will not deny that the original Egyptians were half-Ethiopian. Irish, Keita, Hammer and others all agree on that.
@sajokal20 I have not said anything racist, I have simply pointed out the errors in your statement. I have already torn your arguments to pieces. I will not bother repeating myself. You can either come up with better evidence, or you can concede like a man. Insulting my intelligence and moral integrity does not reflect well on your character or your arguments.
@Cainus44,I respect your views brother Cainus , but I was just astonished , because , I study history of Egypt ,Ethiopians and Punt .You have to know my dear that History of Ancient Egyptians was falsified in the time of frensh General Napoleone who conquered Egypt in 1798 . They changed History because they discovered that Ancient Egypt was the mother of civilisation and that she educated Greece . Because of imperialism and racism ,they falsified all proofs about black native Egypt! thanks
@sajokal20 And I suggest you come up with proof of this "falsified proof". You cannot make such claims without backing them up with something. You had also best define black, as Ethiopians (whom the Egyptians are partially descended from) and Nubians are not the same thing, and Nubians are the only group of the two that can be called black.
@Cainus44 , this racism theory against Nubian ,Egyptian and Ethiopian civilisation was made by the historians of Europ who falsified the history in 1798 , when they discovered that Egypt was the mother of Civilisation . You have to learn that in history , then you will know the truth about this controverse . Egyptian children are still alive in Ethiopia and Punt ,now Somalia , they preserved the same culture and don't care about the racist imperialism . See the video of "Illumanity and Egypt"
@sajokal20 I'm waiting on your proof. If you have no proof, you have no argument. The Illuminati was a Bavarian secret society, and if you think anything more than I will assume you are a crackpot.
Egypt was not the first civilization, Sumeria was the first true imperial civilization. The first known city-states, such as Catal Huyuk were in Turkey and predate Egypt as well.
You're flattering yourself if you think anyone cares enough to have a big conspiracy against blacks.
@Cainus44 , You are crazy poor without civilisation who steals ethiopian and ethiopian civilisation . Even if ,I tell you all proofs , you did not accept because you are racist . You don't want to admit that african can realise beautiful civilisation . I am ethiopian and ancient egyptian child , do you want to tell me my history . You are ignorant victim of racism and history falsification . You are blind , I gave you Herodotus , go read my first comments .
@Cainus44 , According to Volney , frensh historian ,and ancient greek historians like Strabon , Herodotus, and Diodore of Sicile and Aristotle . The ancient-egyptian and ethiopians were a black tribes . Also ,ancient greeks called them "ethio -pios " burnt face " and they have written that egyptians were from an ethiopian colony of populating led by Osiris . Also ,the semites ",arabs and jews proved that egyptians and ethiopians were chamites "Cham" means in hebrew "black", burnt" ok
@sajokal20 The Greeks NEVER called the Egyptians Ethiopians. Semite does not mean black, and Cham has nothing to do with word Semite. Provide proof or concede.
@Cainus44,The semites , arabs and jews ,were witness that egyptians were blacks, Moses was considered to look like to Egyptians because he was black according to the semits . In the Bible , the famous book of semits "the jews " wrote that :Cham the son of Noah , and father of black nations , have got 4 sons:1) Misraïm (father of ancient-egyptians and the arabs named Egypt ,just now "Misr" ) ,2) Kush ( father of ethiopians) 3) Put (father of the tribe of land of Punt) 4) Canaan (phenicians) . Ok
@sajokal20 The bible is not a valid historical source, and the man's name was HAM not Cham. Misraim has nothing to do with any of this. Cush was the Ethiopian, not Kush. Kush was a Nubian civilization.
The bible is not evidence, it is religious scripture. Also, I have said numerous times that the Egyptians are half-descended from Ethiopians. Ethiopians are a Caucasian Semitic race though. That includes you if you're Ethiopian, Frenchy.
@Cainus44,Even the semits "jews" and "arabs "don't agree with you ,because they have written the origins of Ancient-Egyptians and Ethiopians since a long time,before your arrogant ignorant attitude toward the memory of ancient blacks civilisations.You awake now with your narow-mind .Read history before saying insense theorys .Pyramids and obelixs exist in africa .It is an art made only by my Africans ancestors. Also , in Axoum , land of my family ,there are alot of obelixs. So stop your lies!
@sajokal20 Pyramids and obelisks exist all over the world. Fucking England has pyramids that predate Egypt. Like Silbury hill. There's a pyramid buried under it. There's also larger pyramids in South America. And they're not your ancestors. Being Ethiopian means you're Ethiopian, not Egyptian.
@sajokal20 So, as I said, I will sit here and wait on you to provide me some genuine evidence. Until then, you merely look like a raving fool living in a fantasy world in order to justify your racial insecurity. And yes, you are racially insecure and have absolutely no knowledge of history, language, or genetics, otherwise you would know that Egyptians and Ethiopians were Semitic, and Nubians merely borrowed their culture.
@Cainus44,My last comment ,because , I am sorry , I have not enough time to cure your complex of identity . The historians proved that in the first time in the end of Ancient-Egypt empire , the persians conquered Egypt in -525 before jesus christ , the king of perse was Cambye , then king Alexander and the macedonians conquered Egypt in -332 b-c , then the romans conquered Egypt -30 before Christ , then the arabs in 639 after christ in the time of Califate Omar ,conquered Egypt.Good luck !
@sajokal20 Actually the Nubians and Canaanites ruled Egypt before the Persians did. Egypt is like the world's rape and pillage basin. Everyone got a piece of it at some point. Even Celtic groups were establishing colonies along the coast around the time the Roman Empire collapsed. Not sure what your point is.
@Cainus44 Frensh historian champollion who discoverd how to read hieroglyphs proved that they were not caucasoid and where they were come from : " The first tribes which populated Egypt, that is to say , Nile valley between the cataract(waterfall) of Syène and the sea, came from Abyssinia. "
Champollion-Figeac, "Ancient Egypt", p. 27.(Ancient Abyssinia represents now ,Horn Of Africa ,"Ethiopia,Meroitic -Soudan, Erytrea ,Djibouti ,Somalia" )
@sajokal20 So in the end, you leave me with absolutely nothing but evidence for things I have already admitted. What the hell is your point? Are you even reading anything I say, or are you just on an egotistical rant?
@sajokal20 Facts: Ethiopians are Semitic and Caucasian. Egyptians were descended from Mesopotamians (who migrated around 7000 B.C. to the Nile Valley) and Ethiopians. These Ethiopians were in the Nile Valley for a few thousand years before forming Egypt. The Coptic race, the closest living people to the original Egyptians, are pale. You did not bother to study context. You are probably not reading this because you want to keep ranting like a pathetic egotist.
@Cainus44 where are your proofs , you just continue to tell us , your caucasoid egocentrism . All historians ,also the caucasoid historians said that ethiopians were not caucasoid . But your problem , you are victim from a identical complex . And you don't want to accept that none caucasoid tribes could make a beautiful civilisation . Why your caucasoid ancestors did not build in europ and asia pyramids ? Egyptians and ethiopians civilisations were before Mesopotamia accordinf to historians !
@sajokal20 lol, im sorry but why didn't europeans and asiatics not make pyramids? that is circular logic, the only reason that egyptians made them is because they had a abundance of stone to make them with. in europe they tended to make things out of wood for the same reason. really cannot stand trying to watch a historical video and they ALLWAYS are simply fule for either side of a racist ideology. its a shame.
@Cainus44 you are victim of obsession . God read history and the books of semits . Also the semits and caucasoid authors said that egyptians and ethiapians were chamites , "cham" means "burnt ", black in hebrew . I am sorry , I don't want to loose my time with narrow-minded lyer , who does not accept the historical and scientific proofs . Go out with your caucasoid racism and egocentrism .
ahahahahahahaha rahotep101 you are funny without historical proofs , you said that they come from Summer and settle in Horn of Africa . Tell the truth , you just only want that Ancient Egyptians and Puntite become from your tribe . That is selfishness and egocentric attitude which cause your racism . Ancient Egypt and Punt were in Africa and there children still live in Punt with the same dress and culture . Archeology's team prooved that Punt was in East Africa so Stop your racist lies
The racists are amazing , they want to relate history of African Civilisation ,in the african continent like Ancient Egypt and Punt and they are blind because of their desease . They want to manipulate always their poor arguments in order to destroy african past civilisation . Go , build pyramids in your continent instead of falsifying evidence of East African Puntite civilisation .
Very little by way of actual archeological and historical evidence. Rohl is not a mainstream archeologist. If these connections were true, there would be tons of evidence to back it up but there is not.
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 Rohl is properly qualified even if he has unorthodox ideas. You seem to have implicitly accepted that Egyptians must partially derived from Eurasians. The only females 'of colour' you could find who resemble Nefertiti were both half white. Numerous other light-skinned, caucasoid Egyptians appear in Egyptian images, far predating the Hyksos. If they didn't come by sea from Persia in predynastic era they came via Palestine. This is not to deny African input into A E civilization
I mentioned 2 AfroAmericans who are well known but what you firget is that I also mentioned the fact that Nefertiti's phenotype is also found among modern day East Africans. The best example in the media would be Eman. Secondly you fail to realize that whatever Nefertiti looked like is irrelivant because she does not represent the entire Egyptian population not then and not now. Egypt was diverse many different phenotypes just like today.
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 Regarding Nefertiti and Iman, firstly it seems Somalis and Ethiopians have a certain amount of Asiatic blood, and secondly, despite that, there are still obvious differences between Iman and Nefertiti as represented by the famous bust. Nefertiti has much lighter skin, and thinner lips. The line from her brow to the tip of her nose is much straighter. From certain angles Nefertiti looks like Enya or Grace Kelly or Winona Ryder as much as any of the women you've mentioned.
Iman is just an example. There are East African with narrower features than her and there are Egyptiains with much broader features. So Nefertiti's bust proves nohing with regards to physical diversity in Egypt. With regards to so called Asiatic mixture, so what if there is? They are still Africans. If you put an Iranian and a Somali in a room would you be unable to identify which was the African and which was the Asian?
Furthermore, lets say for arguments sake Nefertiti was "Asiatic", does that mean she represents the whole Egyptian population? No. Not then and not now. Some Egyptians had narrow features an some broad do you deny this woman has typical Egyptian features? watch?v=v-4o-_AXgSA yet she looks nothing like Nefertiti does she? Revisiting the issue of mixture. Are you aware of the fact tht most Afro Americans have European ancestry? Yet does anyone claim they are not of the African family? So too Egypt
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 That lady dies not look like Nefertiti, but she could still probably pass for a Greek or an Italian, which is more to the point. She could certainly pass for an Iranian more easily than for a Somali. But as i say I've no major quarel with you if you agree with her that the Egyptian population has not changed since ancient times, and that there was neither an expulsion of 'blacks' nor a mass immigration of 'arabs'.
This isn't an argument at all. I'm just pointing out that the reality of the human species is far more complex. People try to simplify things by trying to put populations into narrowly defined categories and I'm simply pointing out that those ideas only exist on paper. Reality tells a far different story. Africans are and always have been a divers collection of peoples. They are not nor were they ever all the same in any respect whether that be physically or cuturally.
Therefore categories like negro and caucasian are false because within the spectrum of African populations you can find people with East Asian features, as well as features we tend to identify as "European" such as light skin, narrow features or straight hair. None of these are the exclusive property of Europeans. It is the idea that Africans were fundamentally different from Europeans that cases them to want to categorize such people as not really African.
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 Well quite, but fundamentally African Egyptians (or Libyans) with light skin, narrow features and straight hair can't really be called 'black', can they? Whether theyse traits are native or the result of back migration is irrelevant. I'm not interested in the semantics of Africanness, I'm interested in contending the claims of Afrocentrists who portray ancient Egyptians as black Africans related to their own Bantu ancestors.
What I'm trying to communicate to you is that the concept of "blackness" is an illusion.Even among sub Saharan Africans there are people whose skins are not literally black, or dark brown, but a yellowish color. You can find them in Nigeria, Niger, South Africa, Muritania and the East African countries. Even in North Africa you find people with dark brown skins the same color as people in Sub Saharan Africa. Go to Siwa, Luxor even in Cairo and Alexandria you find them.
Dark and light skinned Africans ARE genetic related to each other. Look at the video of the Tuaregs again. Now look at Nubians,Upper Egyptians and Egyptians from the Delta. Different color. Different colors, SAME FAMILY. Its not a question of whether North Africans in general are related to Southern Africans, Its a question of which groups in Africa they are related to. The cultural and genetic evidence shows it tends to be those closest to them.
Moroccans are in fact genetically related to the peoples farther south in West Africa particularly the Niger River areas. Egyptians are most closely related firstly to Nubians and then East Africans such as those found in Ethiopia and Eritria. All north Africans carry genetic heritage from East Africa particularly the M35 haplotype and they are connected to other Africans by the PN2 genetic marker. They may not all look the same, but genetically they are all part of a larger extended family.
Now to you specific question are Afro Americans the biological descendants of the Ancient Egyptians? For the most part, no. You might find one or two here or there who is, but that is rare. Some Egyptians and Afro Americans may share a common Saharan ancestor because when the Sahara dried up some people migrated into West Africa and some into the Nile Valley. Also this term "BANTU" is so outdated. Rethink your ideas on Africa and Africans. Theres more to learn.
The notion of racial mixing s also of no consequence for whether or not any group of Africans absorbed some non African lineage does not change the fact that they are fundamentally still African. The lady I showed you does not look Greek or Italian, but Egyptian. However her features are nothing like Nefertiti's. They are closer to other tropical Africans. Her mouth is wide, her lips are thick and her nose is somewhat flat and wide.
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 I know she looks Egyptian, I said she could pass for something else. You will be hard pressed to find 'other tropical Africans' with this type of features or this light skin tone.
I'm not talking about her skin tone, I'm talking about her facial features. Haven't you looked at my videos? My skin isn't black either. People mistake me for all types of things. My father's skin is lighter than mine by 5 shades and his eyes are blueish hazel. Not all Afro Americans have black skin Leena Horne watch?v=_QtnXysQUMo
Thurgood Marshal watch?v=IoPLitU6jVg&feature=related. So when I show the lady I'm talking about her facial features not skin color.
The point I'm trying to make is that Egypt's population was always variable. The farther south you go the more African the people look in terms of skin color and features, most similar to East Africans like this guy watch?v=cd9Viu-jLwU. But the whole of North Africa and the Sahara is typified by a range in skin tones from light brown to dark brown and features from broad to narrow as is the case with these Tuaregs watch?v=Ly81jPNnT7s.
Ethically distinct in that they have their own unique culture, but genetically they are very close. In fact 9 timesout of 10 you can't tell a Saidi from a Nubian. Ethnicity is man made culture genetic biology is god made reality. They are of the same family and they are also genetically related to the lighter skinned Egyptians in the north. You can't divide people along color lines in the real world. What do you do in a family where some of the kids are light and some dark?
@rahotep101 If the mother is dark and the father is light it means that some kids took after one parent and some after the others. If both parents are light but one or both of the grandparents on both sides was dark what we are seeing is the play of dominant and recessive genes. Basic genetic science and very common in Egyptian and Afro American families where the population is physically very diverse.
Would it make sense to divide the light Tuaregs from the dark ones and treat them as if they were unrelated to each other? Of course not. And yet that is exactly what we do with respect to Ancient Egypt. I do not believe that modern Egyptians are descendants of the Ancients I KNOW it to be fact.
Yet there is a tendancy for many to deny the existance of the darker elements in the Egyptian population or explain them away as if they are not really Egyptian when in fact it was with the dark Southerners that pharaonic culture was born and then spread north to the Delta That is what I find objectionable. Pharaonic civilization was an African civilization made by Africans and those Africans raged in color from dark brown to light brown and their hair from straight to this watch?v=fRlQEmumk5s
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 I wouldn't seek to deny the Egyptianness of any section of Egyptian society, although most of the early capitals and the most important Old Kingdom monuments were in the North. Upper and Lower Egypt were more connected with each other than either were with outside cultures. The Dynastic theory would see the arrival in predynistic times of Sumerian/proto Punics/Puntites crossing the eastern desert from the Red Sea, arriving in central Egypt.
The capital was made in Memphis because that was where Upper and lower Egypt met. Egypt was united by the kings of Upper Egypt. The Dynastic theory is not proven. When one takes the most recent evidences of archeology, genetics, cultural practices physical artifacts and linguistics it all points overwhelmingly to the African origins of these people and the culture they developed. Was there contact with other areas? Sure but there was no invasion. Egyptian culture evolved over time.
The Dynastic theory is simply that, a theory. At the time Pietri formulated his ideas the evidence of the Saharan culture, the antiquity of the Nubian cultures and the DNA evidence did not exist. Therefore it seemed as if there was a sharp sudden emergence of pharaonic civilization leading him to conclude it was introduced suddenly by invaders. Modern anthropological evidence shows that it evolved slowly over time a great deal of it in the Sahara then moving into the Nile Valley
And lastly, why does it matter? because under the domination of colonial slave owning Europeans all people of color Africans, Asians and Native Americans were told that the white "caucasian" was superior to all other humans and that at the bottom of human intelligence were the dark skinned peoples and mixing with them would produce genetically inferior people. Well here in the North East corner of Africa wasa civilization created by black and brown skinned mutts that lasted 3,000yrs. Go figure..
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 It matters in that context if you are more concerned with your grudge against western Europeans (much later than the time in question) than with the history of an ancient culture removed from both western Europe and western Africa.
Its not a grudge. Would you call the plight of the Palestinians a grudge? Would you call the difficulties of Coptic Christians in Egypt a grudge? The whole reason why this is even being debated is because as I said before all of us Egyptians included, were told that we were INFERIOR to white Western Europeans and therefore, we needed them to civilize us. Did the British treat Egyptians as equals when they colonized them? Don't think so They called them wogs know what that means? It means nigger
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 Did the Egyptians treat the Nubians as equals when they colonized them? Does any colonizing power treat its subjects as equals? It's not as simple as Europeans telling Egyptians they were inferior. Europe traced its culture to the Greeks, who themselves viewed Egypt as a source of civiliztion. At the time when Europe started taking an interest in ancient cultures both Egypt and Greece were subjects of the Turks.
It all depended on which Nubian groups they were dealing with. With their allies, they did, they intermarried and were a part of society at every level. With the groups they were at war with, hell no. The thing is though that in Ancient Egypt there was no concept of racial superiority. A person could be intergrated into the society and be an Egual. With European colonialism there was no prospect of intergration with "inferior races". They remained inferior.
The societies of the Ancient world did not have the concept of racial inferiority or the concept that peoples were incapable of acquiring knowledge simply because of the color of their skins. Nor did they have the concept that intermarriage would create intellectually inferior offspring. At the time Nepolion invaded Egypt it was dominated by the Turks, but the Turks never had an idea that any of their peoples were sub humans.
You should realy study in depth the history of Africa especially the response to colonialism. You should study Gamal Abdel Nasser's response to colonialism and why Farouk was deposed. Nasser was a Pan Africanist, did you know that? The issue of Egypt as an African civilization built by Africans is important because the European colonialists told ALL OF US that only whites were intellectually capable of creating a civilization.
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 Nasser was more a pan-Arabist than a pan-African. Like most Egyptian Muslims he identified as an Arab. This self view is not necessarily accurate, or if it is 'Arab' is a cultural identity rather than an ethnic one. Egypts Chrisitans are of the same race as the Muslims, but never identified as Arabs (despite adopting the Arabic language in place of Coptic for everyday use).
@rahotep101 he was both. He saw that he needed to have relations with the rest of Africa as wel as with the Arabic speaking world. Obviously, its easier to create an alliance with the people who speak the same language. The point is, it was a response to European colonialism and a way of creating strength to stand up to and fight off European domination in the region. Egyptians are Africans who speak Arabic... Egyptian Arabic
There is a long history of Europeans inventing mysterious White races to explain evidence of civilizations in Africa. Peitri was a man of his time and culture and the idea of Egypt being created by a non white people was hard to grasp. The concept of Modern Egyptians being their descendants was equally hard to grasp. It was the British, not Afrocentrics who created the idea that Modern Egyptians were immigrants from Arabia, why?
Because they considered Modern Egyptians to be too intellectually and racially inferior to have created such a thing. But if you call them bedouines, Arabs, that explains how all these non white people got there and you can still have the fantasy of an Egypt created by a superior white race. The dynastic theory also plays well into justifying colonialism in that you can say the white race has always conquered the darker races and brought civilization. Egypt show this is false.
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 Egypt supports this view, if anything, because Ancient Egypt did conquer the darker peoples to the south and bring advances in civilization. (Egypt also colonized Syria, but be that as it may). Nubian civilization (i.e at Meroe) was modelled on Egypt, not the other way around. And it is actually Afrocentrists who are more likely to deny that the ancestors of modern Egyptians founded ancient Egypt, having this negro Kemet fantasy.
Egypt did not conquer "Darker peoples" because a significant percentage of Egyptians were just as dark as the Nubians. Meroetic civilization was distinct from that of Egypt. Like all civilizations it borrowed ideas on its own terms. There was a cultural exchange in both directions. Just as Rome borrowed elements from Greece so too did Meroe borrow but they only added to what was already there just as Rome added to what was already there.
@rahotep101 As for the "fantasy". the only fantasy is that there is this thing in Africa called a negro race. I would also say that the idea that the "real Egyptians fled Egypt and settled in West Africa is a fantasy. The idea that Asiatics invaded Egypt and founded its civilization is also a fantasy. Was pharaonic culture developed by a dark skinned African peoples in Upper Egypt and Northern Sudan as well as from the Sahara, that is not fantasy but fact. They are still there today.
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 Maybe. I think the idea of predynastic Asiatic settlement has a lot more going for it than the other notion. There seems to be a lack of equivalent, setled civilization in Northern Sudan until after the Egyptian conquests in the New Kingdom, whereas equivalent settled civilizations pre-dated Egypt in Mesopotamia and Anatolia. The cultural items included in this video prove links of some sort.
@rahotep101 You haven't studied the history of Nubia sufficiently. There archeological evidence shows that there were settled organized communities in Nubia that predate those in Egypt a well known fact to all who have studied Nile Valley civilization watch?v=vtWLry9o70c. The items in your videos are Phonecian ivories there are several of them in the Metropolitain Museum here in New York. They are evidence of Egypt's cultural influence on the Phonicians as Egypt predates Phonecia a few thousand
Egypt was created by Africans, they were dark skinned Upper Egyptians, they were of the same family as their brothers in the Delta who were not as dark. According to their own records over the course of their history they absorbed peoples from Western Asia. However, the foreign elements who came to Egypt were relatively small and only added to the diversity that was already there. Therefore the Egyptian people today ae still Egyptians regardless of color of facial features DNA still remains
Raising arguments of whether or not Modern Egyptians are Arabs or trying to prove that West Africans are really Egyptians are nonsense distractions. Listen carefully to what I say now. The only significance of the origins of the Egyptians is that it proves that the theory of racial supremacy used to justify global colonialism and EXPLOITATION of people's resources was a lie. That's it.
@rahotep101 You can't make the argument that ONLY whites have intelligence when non white Africans created and maintained a civilization like Egypt at a time when Western Europeans were still at the hunter gatherer stage of intellectual development. Intelligence is not based on color and therefore they have no right to dominate anyone, nor do they have a right to exploit their resources. You have to see the bigger picture not just your small puece of the puzzle.
What was done to the Irish, the Native Americans, the Africans including Modern Egyptians, The Asians of India and China, the Palestinians is all connected. What is being done today to the peoples of Iraq and Aphghanistan TODAY is also connected.This idea of arogance that exists in the United States and Western Europe that they have the right to dictate the fates and governments to control the resources such as oil of other nations is stil with us today.
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 For a 'truthteacher' you're getting into conspiracy theory land. Militarism, colonialism and the slave trade were all features of Ancient Egypt, especially in the New Kingdom. They were also features throughout the rest of Africa although on a local/tribal rather than national/imperial level. There is no reason to believe that if any other race had the capacity to organize and then their domination of the world would be any more benign.
Its not conspiracy theory its well documented historical fact. And now you are beginning to get to the truth of the matter, racism is on;ly a tool, an idea that was created to justify the political and economic actions of a group of people who happened to be European. Also the type of slavery that was created in the West was far different in nature and practice than what existed in the Ancient world.
While we can speculate as to what would have happened if for example the Han Chinese landed in the Americas, one thing is undeniably clear, we are all living with the consequences of European colonialism and its continued economic and political continuation. Is what's happening in Iraq my imagination or is that real? Are the Palestinians suffering today because Europe gave their land to Zionist and continue to support Israel my imagination or is that real? Is Egypt in poverty today?...
@rahotep101 I didn't say you were in favor of it. I'm saying that it was the result of the European colonial powers specifically the English and the French
When you go to Egypt and you see that 90% of the population exists at or below the poverty line, that is no accident. It is the consequence of a mind set that is hell bent of making money by whatever means necessary. Racist Eurocentric ideology is simply one tool created to justify these actions and unfortunately it still influences the political and economic decisions that affects most of the world.
Therefore, these arguments between Egyptians and Afro Americans are fundamentally stupid and meaningless. Both peoples are being exploited by a political and economic system that is dependent on keeping them surpressed for the sake of the economic benifit of a few. My advise to both sides WAKE UP!
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 It's funny how demagogues like to shout 'wake up' at people before selling them a delusion. I'm reminded of 'Deutschland Erwacht!' I'm all for people wanting to better their lot, but not when they do it by pretending that all their problems arise from a conspiracy against them. I can't see how it's in anyone's interests to keep Egyptians poor. Poor countries are poor markets and tend to breed trouble. Personally I would be delighted to see Egypt rise to its former greatness.
@rahotep101 Let me ask you a question, are you Egyptian? if so are you Coptic or Muslim and do you currently live in Egypt or were you born and raised outside of Egypt? if so, have you ever visited the country, if so, when and how often?
i am a sri lankan. before our island was inhabited by indo aryan speakers as the legends say, one of the tribes occupied it was naga people (cobra people) a sea fairing tribe. some times this punt people may have a trading post in our country too. i have heard that our cinnamon is found in ancient Egyptian tombs.
prasasea 1 week ago
@prasasea That is interesting. An Ancient Egyptian story has a sailor getting lost and finding an Island called Punt, which was ruled by a great snake.
rahotep101 1 week ago
@rahotep101 i cannot jump into conclusions that ancient egyptians have come from our country, but it i highly possible that originally they were an asiatic tribe.there looks are very close to south asians than to africans. the somalis may also have belong to this tribe but later on must have mixed with africans.modern egyptians are a mixture of original tribe,north africans,arabs,greeks sub saharan africans etc. thats why over the course of time there looks have changed so much.
prasasea 1 week ago
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No I was refering to Southern Egypt. Not Nubia, (Cush). However, You haven't explained the Falcon Tribe that came in from the Near East and formed the 1 Dynasty. Do you maintian that theory? If so what archeological evidence do you have that suports it?
madkeyra 2 months ago
Modern Egyptians and all africans and black people have that tropical body plan. Did the Mediteranean and Europeans have a Tropical body plan too? Which is why the Ancient Egyptians clustered with other Africans including Sub Saharan Africans. You haven't supported the story told in your video about the Falcon Tribe at all. Everything about Ancient Egypt is Egyptian from their language, culture, place or origin, its was a local origin and not foriegn.
madkeyra 2 months ago
@madkeyra Egyptian language was not Cushistic, unlike the tongue of the Nubians. If Egypt was primarily populated by people coming up from the south this doesn't make much sense.
rahotep101 2 months ago
@rahotep101 And you believing they probably came from europe or the middle east really doesnt make sense!
TimAmerica1000 2 months ago
@rahotep101 Egyptian language is certainly not Semitic.
The only language besides basque which has it's own branch of a 'language family'. It's absurd. You can't link Ancient Egyptian to any other Semitic language, only state that in a brrrroooooooooad general sense it's related (as if Semitic is only found outside of Africa anyway).
theosirica 2 months ago
Yea, Does Meditteraneans and Eurpeans have a Tropical body plan? The Ancient Egyptians were proven to have Tropical body plans like other Africans. The limb porportions are more reliable than cranial analysis. The language, culture, etc was all Egyptians. Theres no evidence that outsides came into Egypt and formed the first Dynasty like your video proclaims.
madkeyra 2 months ago
@madkeyra Southrn Egypt is in the tropics, and the climate of the whole country was tropical until late Predynastic. From what I gather, however, modern Egyptians have the same body proportions as the ancients did.
rahotep101 2 months ago
If the peoples of the Near East and Summerian peoples formed the Dynastic period in Ancient Egypt, why the ancient Egyptians spoke an Afro Asiatic language instead of Sumerian or Semetic? Why didn't these people have no influence on the Egyptians launguage or culture.?
madkeyra 3 months ago
The Dynastic Race Theory is Out dated, Like Petrie, Emery, And Rohls According to KEITA,, Afro Asiatic Language and people were indigenious to Africa and a branch of Africa. If a Super Race, or Dynastic Race come into Africa from the Middle East why didn't the A.E. speak Sumerian or Semetic Language? Archeology supports that Ancient Egyptians did not come from the Near East but Southern Egypt. The writing Flora & Fauna is Nilotic and developed locally
madkeyra 3 months ago
@madkeyra If the Normans descended from Vikings, how come they spoke French?
rahotep101 3 months ago
@rahotep1ol If the Sumerians or Phonecians, (Falcon Tribe), formed the first Dynasty and were the Puntites.Why didn't the Ancient Egyptians speak a Semetic Language or Sumerian? The Dynastic Race was formed by Southern Egyptians.According to Keita, their is no reason to believe another Ethnic group came to Egypt and formed the 1st Dynasty and Archeological evidence dosnt support that theory.Archeological evidence does support that A.E. Cluster more with other Africans and formed the s1st Dynasty
madkeyra 3 months ago
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madkeyra 3 months ago
Frankincense from Arabia. Do you know that it grows in Somalia, Kenya, Eritrea, Somalia too? Oh your trying to make a connection with Africa and Arabia even though there isn't. You explaination of the latter and former makes no sense. Where on the tomb walls do you see Asiatic men? I see black men. The Queen, King and all it men are black African living in Africa. The Egyptians depicted Asicatics and it didn't look like those in your video. Stop trying to steal African history.
Locknkeyrealty11 3 months ago
For example, An intermarriage of an African and European, the offspring can't be an example of how Europeans physically looked nor Africans.Yes, the person is of both European and African descent but not a good example of pysical traits of neither ethnic group.The person would exhibit both ethnic traits or more or less. Modern Egyptians are not a good example of physcial traits of Native Egyptians, due to intermarriages, Accounts from Caucasian scholars, and the Natives themselves.
Locknkeyrealty11 3 months ago
Most of the modern Egyptians do not look like the Ancient Egyptians due to intermarriages with the Greeks Romans, Christians, Arabs, British. The Ancient Egyptians depicted themselves as a very dark people. On Ramses Tomb wall it is very clear that the Ancient Egyptians saw themselves way darker than Europeans and Caucasians. That depiction of th Native Egyptians, Modern day Egyptians are a mixture of Ancent Egyptians and all of its invaders, Greeks, Romans, Christians, Arabs, and British.
Locknkeyrealty11 3 months ago
I wish you people could be proud of your own ancestors and ancestrial land. Regardless how the people look, where their located ther limb poportions you still come with this Asiactic, Caucaisn theory. Now the Puntites were Asiatic because they boarder the Meditteranean. You people are crazy. Be proud of your ancestrial land and who you are. Africans don't look like you, have the same color, or culture as you, don't dress like you. Africans populated this Earth and is found all over it.
madkeyra 3 months ago
@madkeyra I am perfectly proud of my land, and my ancestors, Celts and Saxons and Normans. I have never denied my past or called the ancient Egyptians my ancestors, unlike negrocentrists, who do this all the time. The descendants of the ancient Egyptians are the modern Egyptians. They don't look like black Americans, for the most part, and neither did their ancient Egyptian ancestors.
rahotep101 3 months ago
@rahotep101 Archeology has proven differently.The Ancient Egyptians Cluster with other Africans more than Caucasians or Euorpeans and they also Cluster with African Americans than White Americans. Its the Tropical body plan that Africans have that Euorpeans and Caucasians don't. If the Ancient Egyptians were not black peopleWhy would they cluster with black Americans than White Americans?On every front it proves that the Ancient Egyptians were black people living in a black land.
madkeyra 3 months ago
@madkeyra Egyptians cluster with other north Africans, and then other Mediterraneans, and Europeansnot with negroes. That is the case in terms of cranio-facial morphology and dental mass/structure and configuration.
rahotep101 3 months ago
They were black Africans not asiatics. Stop placing yourself where you didn't exist.
madkeyra 3 months ago
im a nilotic of sudan
if some1 said Punt da in my language it means my home or our home
i think this people missinterperted it wrong and you guys are running away
with it, this people wanna proof that people whom kinda look like them are
cable of anything great, Kartoum in my langauge means meeting point for the 2 rivers,Cairo means 2,when the nile river reachs cario it split into 2 breanchs, all relate to the great nile, we have stroies of our nation been exiled jst like the jewish n more
itstopcatbitch 7 months ago
Lnad of punt has been confirmed to be in Today's eritrea + djbouti...So far 60,000 artifacts has been found including the ancient capital of qohioto,port of adu-la the plain of "Ona" regions of hamsu (today hamaseen),among discovered many pots and logs of ancient egyptian middle kingdoms,almost 100 mummies and a tomb of unknown 19th dynasty pharoh,according to diggers they haven't even scartched the surface yet and already close to 70,000 artifacts been discovered behind egypt on 85,000 artifact
sirwallaby 8 months ago 2
@sirwallaby Very interesting. Where did you find this information?
rahotep101 8 months ago
@rahotep101 Just google it or even search youtube Eritrea+land of punt,if u happen to go to central eritrea and take a stroll in the plains u wold see pots,ancient egyptians logs,tombs on the ground in quantity u wouldn't believe,ancient towns like hakir,qohoito or matara is the centre of punt,there is even paintings that dates 10,000b.c on the walls surrounding the area's,I remember in egypt many egyptians who studied the mummies told me that eritreans and middle kingdom mummies were identical.
sirwallaby 8 months ago
@rahotep101
hi maybe sirwallaby knows more than I, but I do have some info that might on this that might interest you. And if you pray for peace in Eritrea, you might get the chance to see the sights yourself.:) It's said that about 98% of our historical sites are under ground, due to constant issues with USA etc.
flower1921 7 months ago
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I know that Punt is in Eritrea as Dr. Domini and two other experts. And I know about the Egyptian tombs and that lots of artifact from that era have been found, for instance Ona site. But you seem as you know a bit more than I do, could you please contact me and provide me the info. I would be delighted!! Love and Peace for the lovely Eritrea, we deserve peace just like anyone else. And Go go, Palestinians and Somalians!! We shall overcome someday
flower1921 7 months ago
that song is fire who sings it
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The Ancient Egyptians were black. Thats how they depicted themselves. The Ancients themselves cleary defferenciated themsleves from other caucasoid people ot that time.
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flower1921 11 months ago
@sajokal20 Maybe black Africans went to down the Arabian pennisula and founded the
Sumerians and Phoencia because the people I seen painted from Ancient Egypt were black and don't look like the people you say they are today. Sorry. They look like Africans and not Arabs. Somalians, Ethiopians, Sudaneese, Eritrea, people not Arabs.
madkeyra 11 months ago
@madkeyra That Ethiopians may have travelled in the Middle East is a possibility I'm open to. However I suspect you've been taking in videos in which a hardly representative sample has been presented. Modern Egyptians look much the same as the ancients.
rahotep101 11 months ago
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flower1921 11 months ago
@rahotep101 DEAD. First time i saw this video.. and i didnt kno you were that dishonest. really. Pareti & Ati asiatics? LMAO they are painted as BLACK. This is so wrong in so many level..it doesnt even make sense. Phoenician? they talked about Punt in the 5th dynasty and they went there even before. Phoenicians didnt even existed yet LMAO they depicted wild animals Elephants, Girafe and imported resins which is common to the horn and yemen.. LMAO but the wild animals=> The horn
LetMeTasteYa 8 months ago
@rahotep101 LMAO i cant stop laughing. the painting of Laas Geel showed that somalia IS the land of punt. LMAO
LetMeTasteYa 8 months ago
hey folks, land of Punt is on South East Asia! make your own research on these.. - Land of Punt - Ophir - Chersonesus Aurea @ Golden Chersonese - Suvarnabhumi/Suvarnadvipa - Prester John - Sanfotsi - Zabag - Sriwijaya @ Srivijaya.. there is 4 "keywords" you will see, which is GOLD, WEALTH, PORT & TRADE.. there is an international reputation since King Solomon - Roman time - European Colonizations.. sorry dude, Land of Punt are simply not in Africa..
capiloton 11 months ago
Champollion,the frensh linguist and historian who discovered the hyeroglyphs wrote ::"« " The first tribes which populated Egypt, that is to say , Nile valley between the cataract(waterfall) of Syène and the sea, came from Abyssinia. " Champollion-Figeac, "Ancient Egypt", p. 27. ...( Ancient Abyssinia represents now "Ethiopia,Erytrea ,Djibouti,Somalia ) Diodore of Sicilus ,greec historian said in his book "Universal History" that egyptians were an Ethiopian Colony of populating led by Osiris .
sajokal20 1 year ago
@sajokal20 If you are interested in debating with someone, that's not the way to start.
rahotep101 1 year ago
Interesting video. But what is your source for the Punt to Phoenicia connection? Byblos was an established city about 8,000 years ago. Are you saying that you believe that the enigmatic Sea Peoples who conjoined with the Canaanites to become the Phoenicians were actually from Ancient Somalia? I can add a genetic plank to this hypothesis, as the Yemen VERY high in J1 (80%), which is also the Canaanite yDNA and was later referred to as being 'Semitic', because it includes the sons of Shem, J1e.
MrRouXRenard 1 year ago
@MrRouXRenard The idea is that the Phoenicians may have come *via* Somalia rather than from it, having their original home in the Persian Gulf. Of course it's a speculative idea. I don't think Phoenicians were the same as the Sea People whose raids were so destructive, because the sea people appear to have come from the west rather than the east. Canaanites (in the Bible) are said to be Hamitic rather than Semitic, but Semites and Hamites both have Mesopotamian origins.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@MrRouXRenard
Rahotep is a liar, Hamitic and Semitic are not Mesopotamian origins, he is saying this because Noah and his family landed in Mount Ararat after the flood but what he FAILS to mention is, way before the flood, Adam, the ancestor of Noah originated in Africa Cush, because the 1st two lands mention as being home of Adam was Havilah and Ethiopia and Havilah, which was the entrance of EDEN (1st river) was a son of Cush and Ethiopia is were he was formed the ground, Africa was 1st.
raidio1 1 year ago
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raidio1 1 year ago
@MrRouXRenard
Rahotep will try to prove his point with other strawman sources but he can't prove it with the Bible, because in the Bible no other Lands are mention before Havilah and Ethiopia and both are Cushite African lands, I would say the Bible agrees with Science with the discoveries of Ardi and Dinkenesh.
raidio1 1 year ago
@MrRouXRenard
This video is Pseudo, because he is getting his information from a early 19th century White Supremist named William Flinders Petire who came up with the Dynastic Race Myth, that eastern invaders came into Egypt and conquered it, this watered down Dynastic Race Myth is no accepted in Academia and the LAND of PUNT was located in the Horn of Africa of East Ethiopia and the Somali coast, which was not too far from were they discovered Ardi and Lucy.
raidio1 1 year ago
@raidio1 Flinders Petrie was one of the greatest and most respected archarologists of all time. He devised methods that are still in use today. His conclusions were based on painstaking work in the field. eg at Neqada, not on prejudice alone. DRT does still have some academic support, meanwhile, and your arguments about the location of Punt do not contradict it.
rahotep101 1 year ago
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MrSuperstar567 1 year ago
@rahotep101
keep beeing in denial, u little part-Neanderthal-savage closet-Racist a.k.a white-supremacist Hypocrit....
CushiticSomalianMale 1 year ago
@CushiticSomalianMale You are priceless. You should be on stage.
rahotep101 1 year ago
hehe u euroecentric a.k.a thiefs neanderthalish theifs and closet-Racists make me laugh..
uif u wanna know where the location of Land of Punt is, just look at your own white bbc journalists they allways display the land of Punt a.k.a Puntland = modernday Somalia... thanks to the so-called Pirates hehe !
u fraud, ur falsehood is bound to Perish, so better enjoy it whilst it last, u imposter u aint proud of ur own Germanic cro magnon interbreeding with the last few Neanderthals history huh
CushiticSomalianMale 1 year ago 2
@CushiticSomalianMale
No Egpytian manuscript palces Punt in Africa. Please read "Mysterious Lands" by David O'Connor.
MrSuperstar567 1 year ago
@CushiticSomalianMale You provoked me before and I was unduly rude about Somalia, even though it clearly has its problems. And I do think you are a hypocrite and a fool to use 'neanderthal' and 'racist' in the same sentence. And as I said, 'Puntland' in Somalia is a modern name, invented in 1998.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@CushiticSomalianMale this people dont wana hear the thruth, all they know is what white men tought them
D11NA 1 year ago
@D11NA
lol, dont be suprised my dear, innteligent sista, Falsehood is bound to perish,
so in other words the falsehood and factdistorting agendas these so-called whites a.k.a part-Neanderthals/cromagnons come up with, their falsehood is sooner or later bound to Perish..
so im glad innteligent sistas like urself, can comprehend that, so yeh dont be suprised sis, just expose these nutheads for who, what they are, nuthing buth a bunch of part-Neanderthals that aint never satisfied... lol
CushiticSomalianMale 1 year ago
@CushiticSomalianMale LOL at these neanderthals, what they dont know is the ladd of Punt is the heart of Somalia. We have a proof and they dont...............they're still guessing
D11NA 1 year ago
@CushiticSomalianMale Its funny that you use racial slurs against whites while calling them racist. You ignorant fucks are blind to your own faults.
TheUnconquerableSun 9 months ago
Punt==horn of africa, no doubt.
missgarowe 1 year ago 14
@missgarowe no there is doubt, it might have been further south in Africa. i read a study that showed that Punt was thought said to be traveled to by the nile originally. and that Egyptians started going to punt via the red sea only because anti-egyptian rulers became prominate in that region and that the nile as a access point becomes a known route again during and after the period in which the Nubian's conquered Egypt and after they lost controll, because they kept friendly with them.
TheEvolver311 1 year ago
I have study history ! Summer and Elam were black civilisation , they were realised after Ancient Egypt by the Ethiopians Kings . So stop lies , if I were you , I would eliminate this videos full of insense .
sajokal20 1 year ago
@sajokal20 What have you studied that your head is so full of nonsense?
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101,I respect you Rahotep , Don't confuse History ok , 1)Sumer and Elam were the black civilisation of Asia , near Babylone as the historians said . 2)Punt was the Ancient name of Somalia and Ethiopia ,Horn of Africa . And Ancient Egyptians said that they come from Punt and also Somali people have the same ancient-egyptian culture untill now . Phenicians come from Red Sea also in horn of Africa and they were the cousins of Ancient Egyptians with the same Origins ,Red Sea in Punt .
sajokal20 1 year ago
@sajokal20 The idea that Sumer was a black civilization is nonsense. If you claim otherwise the onus is on you to prove it.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101 You have to read History of Herodotus ancient greek historian , and the "Black Nations and culture" by Cheikh ANta Diop , When you want to post a video and to advocate one idea please post your sources and proofs . Because , it is shamful to say confusing and misunderstanding things in order to satisfy your ego . Read history before posting lies in Youtube . Thanks , excuse me if I hurted you with my advices , I just want that others persons understimate all your videos at all
sajokal20 1 year ago
@sajokal20 Diop is not a reputable source, being a raging afrocentric. And Herodotus described the Egyptians as having burnt skin and wooly hair, mainly because at the time, burnt skin meant brownish, and wooly hair just meant curly.
Besides that, the only truly black people within 3000 miles of Egypt are the Nubians. They didn't come from Nubia. The Egyptians came from two places at the very beginning: Mesopotamia, and Ethiopia.
Cainus44 1 year ago
@sajokal20 Neither Mesopotamia, nor Ethiopia are anything that can be called black. They are both Semitic. The closest living thing to the original Egyptians are the Coptic people. They're not black.
Since races don't just vanish, and never have, you're going to have to provide some solid proof that Egyptians remotely resembled West Africans, and not Caucasian Ethiopians and Mesopotamians.
Also, English is a language, not a five dollar whore. Please stop abusing it.
Cainus44 1 year ago
@Cainus44 , ahahhahahaha You don't know the history . We understand by reading your false lies . You just want to steal the african civilisation because they were the best and don't be racist , because you suggest that black people can not created civilisation . Herodotus , the ancient greek historian has written in his book that Ethiopians and Egyptians were black with frizzy hair . the coptic are mixed with semits and macedonians when alexander conquered Egypt .Go study our past
sajokal20 1 year ago
@sajokal20 Herodotus used the word 'melanchroes' which means dark, not 'aethiopes' which was the Greek word for black Africans. The majority of Egyptian images are not black, and nearly all have caucasoid features. And the vast majority of ancient egyptian mummies have straight or somewhat wavy hair. None have 'frizzy' hair. Ancient Egyptians were essentially the same as modern Egyptians. Greeks and (recently arriving) Semites made little or no impact on the general population.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101,Herodotus has written they were african indigenous ,not caucasoid.Ancient Greeks historians have written in their books "for Example Diodore of Sicilus in his book "Universal History" has written that ancient egyptians were ethiopians and they were from a populating colony led by Osiris . Also Herodotus said that "ethiopians " have "have straight and wavy hair . So you have to read the History of witness greeks historians because History was falsified in the time of Napoleon 1798
sajokal20 1 year ago
@sajokal20 Except there are several races of Caucasian indigenous to Africa, such as the Ethiopians and Berber. Egyptians were partially descended from the former. Herodotus had no way of knowing the whole truth. I will not deny that the original Egyptians were half-Ethiopian. Irish, Keita, Hammer and others all agree on that.
Cainus44 1 year ago
@sajokal20 I have not said anything racist, I have simply pointed out the errors in your statement. I have already torn your arguments to pieces. I will not bother repeating myself. You can either come up with better evidence, or you can concede like a man. Insulting my intelligence and moral integrity does not reflect well on your character or your arguments.
Cainus44 1 year ago
@Cainus44,I respect your views brother Cainus , but I was just astonished , because , I study history of Egypt ,Ethiopians and Punt .You have to know my dear that History of Ancient Egyptians was falsified in the time of frensh General Napoleone who conquered Egypt in 1798 . They changed History because they discovered that Ancient Egypt was the mother of civilisation and that she educated Greece . Because of imperialism and racism ,they falsified all proofs about black native Egypt! thanks
sajokal20 1 year ago
@sajokal20 And I suggest you come up with proof of this "falsified proof". You cannot make such claims without backing them up with something. You had also best define black, as Ethiopians (whom the Egyptians are partially descended from) and Nubians are not the same thing, and Nubians are the only group of the two that can be called black.
Cainus44 1 year ago
@Cainus44 , this racism theory against Nubian ,Egyptian and Ethiopian civilisation was made by the historians of Europ who falsified the history in 1798 , when they discovered that Egypt was the mother of Civilisation . You have to learn that in history , then you will know the truth about this controverse . Egyptian children are still alive in Ethiopia and Punt ,now Somalia , they preserved the same culture and don't care about the racist imperialism . See the video of "Illumanity and Egypt"
sajokal20 1 year ago
@sajokal20 I'm waiting on your proof. If you have no proof, you have no argument. The Illuminati was a Bavarian secret society, and if you think anything more than I will assume you are a crackpot.
Egypt was not the first civilization, Sumeria was the first true imperial civilization. The first known city-states, such as Catal Huyuk were in Turkey and predate Egypt as well.
You're flattering yourself if you think anyone cares enough to have a big conspiracy against blacks.
Cainus44 1 year ago
@Cainus44 , You are crazy poor without civilisation who steals ethiopian and ethiopian civilisation . Even if ,I tell you all proofs , you did not accept because you are racist . You don't want to admit that african can realise beautiful civilisation . I am ethiopian and ancient egyptian child , do you want to tell me my history . You are ignorant victim of racism and history falsification . You are blind , I gave you Herodotus , go read my first comments .
sajokal20 1 year ago
@sajokal20 You misquoted Herodotus without studying the context of what he said then claimed its proof. I called you out on that.
Cainus44 1 year ago
@Cainus44 , According to Volney , frensh historian ,and ancient greek historians like Strabon , Herodotus, and Diodore of Sicile and Aristotle . The ancient-egyptian and ethiopians were a black tribes . Also ,ancient greeks called them "ethio -pios " burnt face " and they have written that egyptians were from an ethiopian colony of populating led by Osiris . Also ,the semites ",arabs and jews proved that egyptians and ethiopians were chamites "Cham" means in hebrew "black", burnt" ok
sajokal20 1 year ago
@sajokal20 The Greeks NEVER called the Egyptians Ethiopians. Semite does not mean black, and Cham has nothing to do with word Semite. Provide proof or concede.
Cainus44 1 year ago
@Cainus44,The semites , arabs and jews ,were witness that egyptians were blacks, Moses was considered to look like to Egyptians because he was black according to the semits . In the Bible , the famous book of semits "the jews " wrote that :Cham the son of Noah , and father of black nations , have got 4 sons:1) Misraïm (father of ancient-egyptians and the arabs named Egypt ,just now "Misr" ) ,2) Kush ( father of ethiopians) 3) Put (father of the tribe of land of Punt) 4) Canaan (phenicians) . Ok
sajokal20 1 year ago
@sajokal20 The bible is not a valid historical source, and the man's name was HAM not Cham. Misraim has nothing to do with any of this. Cush was the Ethiopian, not Kush. Kush was a Nubian civilization.
The bible is not evidence, it is religious scripture. Also, I have said numerous times that the Egyptians are half-descended from Ethiopians. Ethiopians are a Caucasian Semitic race though. That includes you if you're Ethiopian, Frenchy.
Cainus44 1 year ago
@Cainus44,Even the semits "jews" and "arabs "don't agree with you ,because they have written the origins of Ancient-Egyptians and Ethiopians since a long time,before your arrogant ignorant attitude toward the memory of ancient blacks civilisations.You awake now with your narow-mind .Read history before saying insense theorys .Pyramids and obelixs exist in africa .It is an art made only by my Africans ancestors. Also , in Axoum , land of my family ,there are alot of obelixs. So stop your lies!
sajokal20 1 year ago
@sajokal20 Pyramids and obelisks exist all over the world. Fucking England has pyramids that predate Egypt. Like Silbury hill. There's a pyramid buried under it. There's also larger pyramids in South America. And they're not your ancestors. Being Ethiopian means you're Ethiopian, not Egyptian.
Cainus44 1 year ago
@sajokal20 So, as I said, I will sit here and wait on you to provide me some genuine evidence. Until then, you merely look like a raving fool living in a fantasy world in order to justify your racial insecurity. And yes, you are racially insecure and have absolutely no knowledge of history, language, or genetics, otherwise you would know that Egyptians and Ethiopians were Semitic, and Nubians merely borrowed their culture.
Cainus44 1 year ago
@Cainus44,My last comment ,because , I am sorry , I have not enough time to cure your complex of identity . The historians proved that in the first time in the end of Ancient-Egypt empire , the persians conquered Egypt in -525 before jesus christ , the king of perse was Cambye , then king Alexander and the macedonians conquered Egypt in -332 b-c , then the romans conquered Egypt -30 before Christ , then the arabs in 639 after christ in the time of Califate Omar ,conquered Egypt.Good luck !
sajokal20 1 year ago
@sajokal20 Actually the Nubians and Canaanites ruled Egypt before the Persians did. Egypt is like the world's rape and pillage basin. Everyone got a piece of it at some point. Even Celtic groups were establishing colonies along the coast around the time the Roman Empire collapsed. Not sure what your point is.
Cainus44 1 year ago
@Cainus44 Frensh historian champollion who discoverd how to read hieroglyphs proved that they were not caucasoid and where they were come from : " The first tribes which populated Egypt, that is to say , Nile valley between the cataract(waterfall) of Syène and the sea, came from Abyssinia. "
Champollion-Figeac, "Ancient Egypt", p. 27.(Ancient Abyssinia represents now ,Horn Of Africa ,"Ethiopia,Meroitic -Soudan, Erytrea ,Djibouti ,Somalia" )
Visit horn of Africa and see the same features.
sajokal20 1 year ago
@sajokal20 So in the end, you leave me with absolutely nothing but evidence for things I have already admitted. What the hell is your point? Are you even reading anything I say, or are you just on an egotistical rant?
Cainus44 1 year ago
@sajokal20 Facts: Ethiopians are Semitic and Caucasian. Egyptians were descended from Mesopotamians (who migrated around 7000 B.C. to the Nile Valley) and Ethiopians. These Ethiopians were in the Nile Valley for a few thousand years before forming Egypt. The Coptic race, the closest living people to the original Egyptians, are pale. You did not bother to study context. You are probably not reading this because you want to keep ranting like a pathetic egotist.
Cainus44 1 year ago
@Cainus44 where are your proofs , you just continue to tell us , your caucasoid egocentrism . All historians ,also the caucasoid historians said that ethiopians were not caucasoid . But your problem , you are victim from a identical complex . And you don't want to accept that none caucasoid tribes could make a beautiful civilisation . Why your caucasoid ancestors did not build in europ and asia pyramids ? Egyptians and ethiopians civilisations were before Mesopotamia accordinf to historians !
sajokal20 1 year ago
@sajokal20 lol, im sorry but why didn't europeans and asiatics not make pyramids? that is circular logic, the only reason that egyptians made them is because they had a abundance of stone to make them with. in europe they tended to make things out of wood for the same reason. really cannot stand trying to watch a historical video and they ALLWAYS are simply fule for either side of a racist ideology. its a shame.
punt might have been south in Africa.
TheEvolver311 1 year ago
@Cainus44 you are victim of obsession . God read history and the books of semits . Also the semits and caucasoid authors said that egyptians and ethiapians were chamites , "cham" means "burnt ", black in hebrew . I am sorry , I don't want to loose my time with narrow-minded lyer , who does not accept the historical and scientific proofs . Go out with your caucasoid racism and egocentrism .
sajokal20 1 year ago
ahahahahahahaha rahotep101 you are funny without historical proofs , you said that they come from Summer and settle in Horn of Africa . Tell the truth , you just only want that Ancient Egyptians and Puntite become from your tribe . That is selfishness and egocentric attitude which cause your racism . Ancient Egypt and Punt were in Africa and there children still live in Punt with the same dress and culture . Archeology's team prooved that Punt was in East Africa so Stop your racist lies
sajokal20 1 year ago
The racists are amazing , they want to relate history of African Civilisation ,in the african continent like Ancient Egypt and Punt and they are blind because of their desease . They want to manipulate always their poor arguments in order to destroy african past civilisation . Go , build pyramids in your continent instead of falsifying evidence of East African Puntite civilisation .
sajokal20 1 year ago
Very little by way of actual archeological and historical evidence. Rohl is not a mainstream archeologist. If these connections were true, there would be tons of evidence to back it up but there is not.
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago 2
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 Rohl is properly qualified even if he has unorthodox ideas. You seem to have implicitly accepted that Egyptians must partially derived from Eurasians. The only females 'of colour' you could find who resemble Nefertiti were both half white. Numerous other light-skinned, caucasoid Egyptians appear in Egyptian images, far predating the Hyksos. If they didn't come by sea from Persia in predynastic era they came via Palestine. This is not to deny African input into A E civilization
rahotep101 1 year ago
I mentioned 2 AfroAmericans who are well known but what you firget is that I also mentioned the fact that Nefertiti's phenotype is also found among modern day East Africans. The best example in the media would be Eman. Secondly you fail to realize that whatever Nefertiti looked like is irrelivant because she does not represent the entire Egyptian population not then and not now. Egypt was diverse many different phenotypes just like today.
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 Regarding Nefertiti and Iman, firstly it seems Somalis and Ethiopians have a certain amount of Asiatic blood, and secondly, despite that, there are still obvious differences between Iman and Nefertiti as represented by the famous bust. Nefertiti has much lighter skin, and thinner lips. The line from her brow to the tip of her nose is much straighter. From certain angles Nefertiti looks like Enya or Grace Kelly or Winona Ryder as much as any of the women you've mentioned.
rahotep101 1 year ago
Iman is just an example. There are East African with narrower features than her and there are Egyptiains with much broader features. So Nefertiti's bust proves nohing with regards to physical diversity in Egypt. With regards to so called Asiatic mixture, so what if there is? They are still Africans. If you put an Iranian and a Somali in a room would you be unable to identify which was the African and which was the Asian?
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
Furthermore, lets say for arguments sake Nefertiti was "Asiatic", does that mean she represents the whole Egyptian population? No. Not then and not now. Some Egyptians had narrow features an some broad do you deny this woman has typical Egyptian features? watch?v=v-4o-_AXgSA yet she looks nothing like Nefertiti does she? Revisiting the issue of mixture. Are you aware of the fact tht most Afro Americans have European ancestry? Yet does anyone claim they are not of the African family? So too Egypt
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 That lady dies not look like Nefertiti, but she could still probably pass for a Greek or an Italian, which is more to the point. She could certainly pass for an Iranian more easily than for a Somali. But as i say I've no major quarel with you if you agree with her that the Egyptian population has not changed since ancient times, and that there was neither an expulsion of 'blacks' nor a mass immigration of 'arabs'.
rahotep101 1 year ago
This isn't an argument at all. I'm just pointing out that the reality of the human species is far more complex. People try to simplify things by trying to put populations into narrowly defined categories and I'm simply pointing out that those ideas only exist on paper. Reality tells a far different story. Africans are and always have been a divers collection of peoples. They are not nor were they ever all the same in any respect whether that be physically or cuturally.
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
Therefore categories like negro and caucasian are false because within the spectrum of African populations you can find people with East Asian features, as well as features we tend to identify as "European" such as light skin, narrow features or straight hair. None of these are the exclusive property of Europeans. It is the idea that Africans were fundamentally different from Europeans that cases them to want to categorize such people as not really African.
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 Well quite, but fundamentally African Egyptians (or Libyans) with light skin, narrow features and straight hair can't really be called 'black', can they? Whether theyse traits are native or the result of back migration is irrelevant. I'm not interested in the semantics of Africanness, I'm interested in contending the claims of Afrocentrists who portray ancient Egyptians as black Africans related to their own Bantu ancestors.
rahotep101 1 year ago
What I'm trying to communicate to you is that the concept of "blackness" is an illusion.Even among sub Saharan Africans there are people whose skins are not literally black, or dark brown, but a yellowish color. You can find them in Nigeria, Niger, South Africa, Muritania and the East African countries. Even in North Africa you find people with dark brown skins the same color as people in Sub Saharan Africa. Go to Siwa, Luxor even in Cairo and Alexandria you find them.
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
Dark and light skinned Africans ARE genetic related to each other. Look at the video of the Tuaregs again. Now look at Nubians,Upper Egyptians and Egyptians from the Delta. Different color. Different colors, SAME FAMILY. Its not a question of whether North Africans in general are related to Southern Africans, Its a question of which groups in Africa they are related to. The cultural and genetic evidence shows it tends to be those closest to them.
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
Moroccans are in fact genetically related to the peoples farther south in West Africa particularly the Niger River areas. Egyptians are most closely related firstly to Nubians and then East Africans such as those found in Ethiopia and Eritria. All north Africans carry genetic heritage from East Africa particularly the M35 haplotype and they are connected to other Africans by the PN2 genetic marker. They may not all look the same, but genetically they are all part of a larger extended family.
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago 2
Now to you specific question are Afro Americans the biological descendants of the Ancient Egyptians? For the most part, no. You might find one or two here or there who is, but that is rare. Some Egyptians and Afro Americans may share a common Saharan ancestor because when the Sahara dried up some people migrated into West Africa and some into the Nile Valley. Also this term "BANTU" is so outdated. Rethink your ideas on Africa and Africans. Theres more to learn.
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
The notion of racial mixing s also of no consequence for whether or not any group of Africans absorbed some non African lineage does not change the fact that they are fundamentally still African. The lady I showed you does not look Greek or Italian, but Egyptian. However her features are nothing like Nefertiti's. They are closer to other tropical Africans. Her mouth is wide, her lips are thick and her nose is somewhat flat and wide.
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 I know she looks Egyptian, I said she could pass for something else. You will be hard pressed to find 'other tropical Africans' with this type of features or this light skin tone.
rahotep101 1 year ago
I'm not talking about her skin tone, I'm talking about her facial features. Haven't you looked at my videos? My skin isn't black either. People mistake me for all types of things. My father's skin is lighter than mine by 5 shades and his eyes are blueish hazel. Not all Afro Americans have black skin Leena Horne watch?v=_QtnXysQUMo
Thurgood Marshal watch?v=IoPLitU6jVg&feature=related. So when I show the lady I'm talking about her facial features not skin color.
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
The point I'm trying to make is that Egypt's population was always variable. The farther south you go the more African the people look in terms of skin color and features, most similar to East Africans like this guy watch?v=cd9Viu-jLwU. But the whole of North Africa and the Sahara is typified by a range in skin tones from light brown to dark brown and features from broad to narrow as is the case with these Tuaregs watch?v=Ly81jPNnT7s.
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 I half agree, the dark skinned southern Egyptians are still ethnically distinct from the Nubians who inhabit the same region.
rahotep101 1 year ago
Ethically distinct in that they have their own unique culture, but genetically they are very close. In fact 9 timesout of 10 you can't tell a Saidi from a Nubian. Ethnicity is man made culture genetic biology is god made reality. They are of the same family and they are also genetically related to the lighter skinned Egyptians in the north. You can't divide people along color lines in the real world. What do you do in a family where some of the kids are light and some dark?
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 Begin to suspect the morals of the mother....
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101 If the mother is dark and the father is light it means that some kids took after one parent and some after the others. If both parents are light but one or both of the grandparents on both sides was dark what we are seeing is the play of dominant and recessive genes. Basic genetic science and very common in Egyptian and Afro American families where the population is physically very diverse.
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
@rahotep101 good joke by the way LOL
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
Would it make sense to divide the light Tuaregs from the dark ones and treat them as if they were unrelated to each other? Of course not. And yet that is exactly what we do with respect to Ancient Egypt. I do not believe that modern Egyptians are descendants of the Ancients I KNOW it to be fact.
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 Good, we agree.
rahotep101 1 year ago
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@rahotep101 Yes, but I'm trying to get you to see the bigger picture.
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
Yet there is a tendancy for many to deny the existance of the darker elements in the Egyptian population or explain them away as if they are not really Egyptian when in fact it was with the dark Southerners that pharaonic culture was born and then spread north to the Delta That is what I find objectionable. Pharaonic civilization was an African civilization made by Africans and those Africans raged in color from dark brown to light brown and their hair from straight to this watch?v=fRlQEmumk5s
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 I wouldn't seek to deny the Egyptianness of any section of Egyptian society, although most of the early capitals and the most important Old Kingdom monuments were in the North. Upper and Lower Egypt were more connected with each other than either were with outside cultures. The Dynastic theory would see the arrival in predynistic times of Sumerian/proto Punics/Puntites crossing the eastern desert from the Red Sea, arriving in central Egypt.
rahotep101 1 year ago
The capital was made in Memphis because that was where Upper and lower Egypt met. Egypt was united by the kings of Upper Egypt. The Dynastic theory is not proven. When one takes the most recent evidences of archeology, genetics, cultural practices physical artifacts and linguistics it all points overwhelmingly to the African origins of these people and the culture they developed. Was there contact with other areas? Sure but there was no invasion. Egyptian culture evolved over time.
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
The Dynastic theory is simply that, a theory. At the time Pietri formulated his ideas the evidence of the Saharan culture, the antiquity of the Nubian cultures and the DNA evidence did not exist. Therefore it seemed as if there was a sharp sudden emergence of pharaonic civilization leading him to conclude it was introduced suddenly by invaders. Modern anthropological evidence shows that it evolved slowly over time a great deal of it in the Sahara then moving into the Nile Valley
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
And lastly, why does it matter? because under the domination of colonial slave owning Europeans all people of color Africans, Asians and Native Americans were told that the white "caucasian" was superior to all other humans and that at the bottom of human intelligence were the dark skinned peoples and mixing with them would produce genetically inferior people. Well here in the North East corner of Africa wasa civilization created by black and brown skinned mutts that lasted 3,000yrs. Go figure..
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 It matters in that context if you are more concerned with your grudge against western Europeans (much later than the time in question) than with the history of an ancient culture removed from both western Europe and western Africa.
rahotep101 1 year ago
Its not a grudge. Would you call the plight of the Palestinians a grudge? Would you call the difficulties of Coptic Christians in Egypt a grudge? The whole reason why this is even being debated is because as I said before all of us Egyptians included, were told that we were INFERIOR to white Western Europeans and therefore, we needed them to civilize us. Did the British treat Egyptians as equals when they colonized them? Don't think so They called them wogs know what that means? It means nigger
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago 2
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 Did the Egyptians treat the Nubians as equals when they colonized them? Does any colonizing power treat its subjects as equals? It's not as simple as Europeans telling Egyptians they were inferior. Europe traced its culture to the Greeks, who themselves viewed Egypt as a source of civiliztion. At the time when Europe started taking an interest in ancient cultures both Egypt and Greece were subjects of the Turks.
rahotep101 1 year ago
It all depended on which Nubian groups they were dealing with. With their allies, they did, they intermarried and were a part of society at every level. With the groups they were at war with, hell no. The thing is though that in Ancient Egypt there was no concept of racial superiority. A person could be intergrated into the society and be an Egual. With European colonialism there was no prospect of intergration with "inferior races". They remained inferior.
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
The societies of the Ancient world did not have the concept of racial inferiority or the concept that peoples were incapable of acquiring knowledge simply because of the color of their skins. Nor did they have the concept that intermarriage would create intellectually inferior offspring. At the time Nepolion invaded Egypt it was dominated by the Turks, but the Turks never had an idea that any of their peoples were sub humans.
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
You should realy study in depth the history of Africa especially the response to colonialism. You should study Gamal Abdel Nasser's response to colonialism and why Farouk was deposed. Nasser was a Pan Africanist, did you know that? The issue of Egypt as an African civilization built by Africans is important because the European colonialists told ALL OF US that only whites were intellectually capable of creating a civilization.
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 Nasser was more a pan-Arabist than a pan-African. Like most Egyptian Muslims he identified as an Arab. This self view is not necessarily accurate, or if it is 'Arab' is a cultural identity rather than an ethnic one. Egypts Chrisitans are of the same race as the Muslims, but never identified as Arabs (despite adopting the Arabic language in place of Coptic for everyday use).
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101 he was both. He saw that he needed to have relations with the rest of Africa as wel as with the Arabic speaking world. Obviously, its easier to create an alliance with the people who speak the same language. The point is, it was a response to European colonialism and a way of creating strength to stand up to and fight off European domination in the region. Egyptians are Africans who speak Arabic... Egyptian Arabic
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
There is a long history of Europeans inventing mysterious White races to explain evidence of civilizations in Africa. Peitri was a man of his time and culture and the idea of Egypt being created by a non white people was hard to grasp. The concept of Modern Egyptians being their descendants was equally hard to grasp. It was the British, not Afrocentrics who created the idea that Modern Egyptians were immigrants from Arabia, why?
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
Because they considered Modern Egyptians to be too intellectually and racially inferior to have created such a thing. But if you call them bedouines, Arabs, that explains how all these non white people got there and you can still have the fantasy of an Egypt created by a superior white race. The dynastic theory also plays well into justifying colonialism in that you can say the white race has always conquered the darker races and brought civilization. Egypt show this is false.
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago 2
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 Egypt supports this view, if anything, because Ancient Egypt did conquer the darker peoples to the south and bring advances in civilization. (Egypt also colonized Syria, but be that as it may). Nubian civilization (i.e at Meroe) was modelled on Egypt, not the other way around. And it is actually Afrocentrists who are more likely to deny that the ancestors of modern Egyptians founded ancient Egypt, having this negro Kemet fantasy.
rahotep101 1 year ago
Egypt did not conquer "Darker peoples" because a significant percentage of Egyptians were just as dark as the Nubians. Meroetic civilization was distinct from that of Egypt. Like all civilizations it borrowed ideas on its own terms. There was a cultural exchange in both directions. Just as Rome borrowed elements from Greece so too did Meroe borrow but they only added to what was already there just as Rome added to what was already there.
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
@rahotep101 As for the "fantasy". the only fantasy is that there is this thing in Africa called a negro race. I would also say that the idea that the "real Egyptians fled Egypt and settled in West Africa is a fantasy. The idea that Asiatics invaded Egypt and founded its civilization is also a fantasy. Was pharaonic culture developed by a dark skinned African peoples in Upper Egypt and Northern Sudan as well as from the Sahara, that is not fantasy but fact. They are still there today.
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 Maybe. I think the idea of predynastic Asiatic settlement has a lot more going for it than the other notion. There seems to be a lack of equivalent, setled civilization in Northern Sudan until after the Egyptian conquests in the New Kingdom, whereas equivalent settled civilizations pre-dated Egypt in Mesopotamia and Anatolia. The cultural items included in this video prove links of some sort.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101 You haven't studied the history of Nubia sufficiently. There archeological evidence shows that there were settled organized communities in Nubia that predate those in Egypt a well known fact to all who have studied Nile Valley civilization watch?v=vtWLry9o70c. The items in your videos are Phonecian ivories there are several of them in the Metropolitain Museum here in New York. They are evidence of Egypt's cultural influence on the Phonicians as Egypt predates Phonecia a few thousand
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
Egypt was created by Africans, they were dark skinned Upper Egyptians, they were of the same family as their brothers in the Delta who were not as dark. According to their own records over the course of their history they absorbed peoples from Western Asia. However, the foreign elements who came to Egypt were relatively small and only added to the diversity that was already there. Therefore the Egyptian people today ae still Egyptians regardless of color of facial features DNA still remains
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
Raising arguments of whether or not Modern Egyptians are Arabs or trying to prove that West Africans are really Egyptians are nonsense distractions. Listen carefully to what I say now. The only significance of the origins of the Egyptians is that it proves that the theory of racial supremacy used to justify global colonialism and EXPLOITATION of people's resources was a lie. That's it.
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
@rahotep101 You can't make the argument that ONLY whites have intelligence when non white Africans created and maintained a civilization like Egypt at a time when Western Europeans were still at the hunter gatherer stage of intellectual development. Intelligence is not based on color and therefore they have no right to dominate anyone, nor do they have a right to exploit their resources. You have to see the bigger picture not just your small puece of the puzzle.
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
What was done to the Irish, the Native Americans, the Africans including Modern Egyptians, The Asians of India and China, the Palestinians is all connected. What is being done today to the peoples of Iraq and Aphghanistan TODAY is also connected.This idea of arogance that exists in the United States and Western Europe that they have the right to dictate the fates and governments to control the resources such as oil of other nations is stil with us today.
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 For a 'truthteacher' you're getting into conspiracy theory land. Militarism, colonialism and the slave trade were all features of Ancient Egypt, especially in the New Kingdom. They were also features throughout the rest of Africa although on a local/tribal rather than national/imperial level. There is no reason to believe that if any other race had the capacity to organize and then their domination of the world would be any more benign.
rahotep101 1 year ago
Its not conspiracy theory its well documented historical fact. And now you are beginning to get to the truth of the matter, racism is on;ly a tool, an idea that was created to justify the political and economic actions of a group of people who happened to be European. Also the type of slavery that was created in the West was far different in nature and practice than what existed in the Ancient world.
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
While we can speculate as to what would have happened if for example the Han Chinese landed in the Americas, one thing is undeniably clear, we are all living with the consequences of European colonialism and its continued economic and political continuation. Is what's happening in Iraq my imagination or is that real? Are the Palestinians suffering today because Europe gave their land to Zionist and continue to support Israel my imagination or is that real? Is Egypt in poverty today?...
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 You have not read a word of mine in favour of the US invasion of Iraq or the Zionist occupation of Palestine.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101 I didn't say you were in favor of it. I'm saying that it was the result of the European colonial powers specifically the English and the French
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
When you go to Egypt and you see that 90% of the population exists at or below the poverty line, that is no accident. It is the consequence of a mind set that is hell bent of making money by whatever means necessary. Racist Eurocentric ideology is simply one tool created to justify these actions and unfortunately it still influences the political and economic decisions that affects most of the world.
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
Therefore, these arguments between Egyptians and Afro Americans are fundamentally stupid and meaningless. Both peoples are being exploited by a political and economic system that is dependent on keeping them surpressed for the sake of the economic benifit of a few. My advise to both sides WAKE UP!
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 It's funny how demagogues like to shout 'wake up' at people before selling them a delusion. I'm reminded of 'Deutschland Erwacht!' I'm all for people wanting to better their lot, but not when they do it by pretending that all their problems arise from a conspiracy against them. I can't see how it's in anyone's interests to keep Egyptians poor. Poor countries are poor markets and tend to breed trouble. Personally I would be delighted to see Egypt rise to its former greatness.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101 Let me ask you a question, are you Egyptian? if so are you Coptic or Muslim and do you currently live in Egypt or were you born and raised outside of Egypt? if so, have you ever visited the country, if so, when and how often?
TRUTHTEACHER2007 1 year ago
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 None of the above. Going early next year, all being well.
rahotep101 1 year ago