As sad as this scene was I think it was better for the Enterprise to go out in a blaze of glory, so to speak, than to be mothballed or archived in a museum somewhere.
@Arrakeen77 I agree with you there. I'd rather have the Enterprise actually go out fighting in a blaze of glory then grow old in a museum somewhere. At least she went out doing what she did best: saying "F@*! you Klingons, kiss my shiny white, Federation flag-carrying, 620,000 metric ton ass!!!" XD
Ship was like a member of the cast. It was painful to see her go down.
On another note, she had a crew of over 400 normally but was running with jury-rigged automation by effectively three people (Sulu, Scott, and Chekov). Ships aren't designed to do that. She was still required like eight weeks of refit work to bring her up to speed. That and she had been the fleet training cruiser before getting in a fight with Kahn. She was tired, but without a lucky hit, that Bird of Prey was toast.
This is more than a ship being destroyed; it's twenty-plus years of their lives, disappearing before their eyes. The cabins where they slept, the cafeteria the Tribbles overran, the bridge they got flung across by endless explosions, the photon tube where Spock's body was launched..... all burning away.
if tos kirk saw the enterprise go down like that he would be shaking his older self and be like what the hell man what happened to that promise made in naked time "I'll never lose you". :)
Captain Kirk would've wanted the Enterprise to go in a way like this. He NEVER would've approved of the ship rotting in spacedock or being used in Wargames....
@SFisher1993 I think that when it was to be decomissioned, it would be either stripped down or placed in a museum, for the history it has created during it's run. Much like the Voyager was, after it got gone.
Deathstar they went to red alert and firing the first volley of torpedoes overloaded the shields so they had no protection on 3/4 of the ship (scotty: "it's an overload sir, i never expected to take her into combat you know") and they were unprotected. the fire from the BoP was at point blank range, direct hit took out all automation. no weapons, engines, nothing. the only weapon was using the auto destruct to take care of the klingon boarding party
@murdoch2555 Glad I'm not the only one who noticed! James Horner borrows more from Prokofiev in Star Trek 3, during the "stealing the Enterprise" sequence.
i dont know why one shot from bird of prey crippled Enterprise . Kirk said at the beginning "with most of our battle damage repaired we're almost home"
@TheDEATHSTARIII the enterprise was already badly damaged from the battle with khan and the reliant and was ordered to be decommissioned. the hit it took was right of the central core demobilizing any function they were dead in the water.
@TheDEATHSTARIII i think its where they hit them remember he said they knocked out the automation system, so they would i guess have to run down to the torpedo room and fire everything manually, which maybe they couldnt do.
@IBBangin82 Connie refit is a superior design to BoP even Commander Kruge was wondering why the Enterprise didn't finish them off. 1701 was badly damaged in the battle with the Reliant and bearly functioning. The Klingons got lucky.
@seebee077 it doesn't matter that the klingons got lucky it was one of the most upset moment in star trek history! The Brid of Pird Rules!!! RIP Commander Kruge!
@jbw470 I always thought the Trek III score borrowed heavily from Wagner ("Siegfried's Funeral" and suchlike). Giachinno's theme to Trek '09 reminds me more than a little of Mussorgsky.
@FreedomZealot yeah, there's a bit of Wagner in III. I haven't seen the new Trek though. The music in this clip is very blatantly from Prokofiev's Romeo and Juliet Suite - in the movement "Romeo at Juliet's Grave".
@jbw470 After listening to that piece (I hadn't heard that entire Suite before -- now I'm going to have to get it! -- I can hear what you mean, as it were. The use of chromaticism and dissonant passing tones is very similar. Horner used an approach like this in the scene from TWOK that juxtaposed the birth of Genesis with the death of Spock. He's done that quite a bit, in fact.
Maybe its just a movie of my generation, but do u think that people like us will be sitting at a computer 25 years from now talking about avatar? Thats a great movie but I dont think so. Star trek(old school star trek)rocks!
@mjl1tron amen man. avatar is visually impressive but at its core it's a bunch of heartless schlock. this scene packs so much more than any of that shit.
I can hear the rumbling of the Genesis planet and diaolouge. Let me guess youve taken the score from the surround on Dolby stereo matrix, why not just take it from left and right split-surrounds on the original Star Trek DVD collection as that is the closest form to the road show 70mm prints since the early DVD editions!
Shit man, if I was Scotty there I'd be crying. If I worked on that fine ship for more than 2o years and I saw it falling through the atmosphere, I'd be heartbroken. As was I when I first saw this, even though I already knew it was going to be destroyed.
She was busted old lady at that time and it was the only logical thing to do to get them out of the dire straights that they got themselves into and it all worked out mission accomplished! I have had enough of you, Kirk gives Kruge or what ever the heck his name is the THX boot of the cliff that was felt at the Empire Leicester Square Star Trek marathon Stardate 8/10/1989 it had warp factor 13KW JBL THX KICK!
Not really. The Enterprise had 2 forward torpedoe launchers whereas Kronos-1 had only one for, and one aft. Not much firepower when going head-to-head with the Federation. Plus there are over a dozen phaser banks on the saucer alone.
On what basis? Apples and oranges. The Constitution Class was certainly a more powerful ship but in this case it was undermanned and Mr. Scott had it "bypassed like a Christmas tree" and "didn't expect to take it into combat". This battle therefore is an exception, not the rule in determining the outcome of a battle between a bird of prey and a Constitution class ship.
@redwa11er friend of mine was just in a car accident this week. Her car was totaled. She was looking at her wrecked car being put on a flatbed and was cryin after having it for over 10 years. She asked what I was thinking, and I told her the enterprise destruction scene and McCoy's quote was the first thing that popped in my head. She was quiet for a minute, then chucked. This was the best scene of that movie.
As sad as this scene was I think it was better for the Enterprise to go out in a blaze of glory, so to speak, than to be mothballed or archived in a museum somewhere.
Arrakeen77 1 month ago
@Arrakeen77 I agree with you there. I'd rather have the Enterprise actually go out fighting in a blaze of glory then grow old in a museum somewhere. At least she went out doing what she did best: saying "F@*! you Klingons, kiss my shiny white, Federation flag-carrying, 620,000 metric ton ass!!!" XD
armysoldierist 3 weeks ago
@armysoldierist You're right, I mean she was as much a character as any of her crew right?
Arrakeen77 3 weeks ago
@Arrakeen77 hells yeah she was. Didnt she deserve a hell of a lot better than that?!
armysoldierist 3 weeks ago
scotty took it wel i thought he would have balled his eveys out
luigi19987 6 months ago
@luigi19987 'Course, we found out in TNG that he took it harder than we thought. "This is the only one I ever think about. The only one I miss."
SuperSaiyanAl 3 months ago
Ship was like a member of the cast. It was painful to see her go down.
On another note, she had a crew of over 400 normally but was running with jury-rigged automation by effectively three people (Sulu, Scott, and Chekov). Ships aren't designed to do that. She was still required like eight weeks of refit work to bring her up to speed. That and she had been the fleet training cruiser before getting in a fight with Kahn. She was tired, but without a lucky hit, that Bird of Prey was toast.
Ithekro 8 months ago
This is more than a ship being destroyed; it's twenty-plus years of their lives, disappearing before their eyes. The cabins where they slept, the cafeteria the Tribbles overran, the bridge they got flung across by endless explosions, the photon tube where Spock's body was launched..... all burning away.
I wanna cry......
Tizmaole 8 months ago 15
if tos kirk saw the enterprise go down like that he would be shaking his older self and be like what the hell man what happened to that promise made in naked time "I'll never lose you". :)
MrHoppers002 3 months ago
@Tizmaole "May she rest in peace among the stars..."
DrejStinger1986 2 weeks ago
Let just face it folks, the enterprise time was bout to be up. lol bird of prey is the better ship. That's why Jim used it in movie 4.
IBBangin82 10 months ago
Captain Kirk would've wanted the Enterprise to go in a way like this. He NEVER would've approved of the ship rotting in spacedock or being used in Wargames....
Good theme.
SFisher1993 11 months ago
@SFisher1993 I think that when it was to be decomissioned, it would be either stripped down or placed in a museum, for the history it has created during it's run. Much like the Voyager was, after it got gone.
VazzaPrime 11 months ago
Enterprise dead...in the 3rd movie!? REALLY sad!!
theimpossiblers 1 year ago
Prokofiev rules!!
All the film composers borrow from the classics. But, if you're going to rip off music it might as well be GOOD music :-)
amusedmaj 1 year ago
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amusedmaj 1 year ago
Klingon bastard....you....killed my....SON!
80stvfan09 1 year ago
Deathstar they went to red alert and firing the first volley of torpedoes overloaded the shields so they had no protection on 3/4 of the ship (scotty: "it's an overload sir, i never expected to take her into combat you know") and they were unprotected. the fire from the BoP was at point blank range, direct hit took out all automation. no weapons, engines, nothing. the only weapon was using the auto destruct to take care of the klingon boarding party
80stvfan09 1 year ago
um...did Prokofiev blow up the Enterprise?
murdoch2555 1 year ago
@murdoch2555 Glad I'm not the only one who noticed! James Horner borrows more from Prokofiev in Star Trek 3, during the "stealing the Enterprise" sequence.
cjcnx2000 1 month ago
At least she went down with glory. Much better then being scrapped.
thefinalfrontier1701 1 year ago
over 3 worthless klingons he sends 1701 down in a blaze...
ExploreDestination 1 year ago
i dont know why one shot from bird of prey crippled Enterprise . Kirk said at the beginning "with most of our battle damage repaired we're almost home"
TheDEATHSTARIII 1 year ago
@TheDEATHSTARIII the enterprise was already badly damaged from the battle with khan and the reliant and was ordered to be decommissioned. the hit it took was right of the central core demobilizing any function they were dead in the water.
mrsinister6 1 year ago
@TheDEATHSTARIII i think its where they hit them remember he said they knocked out the automation system, so they would i guess have to run down to the torpedo room and fire everything manually, which maybe they couldnt do.
talleyho12 1 year ago
@TheDEATHSTARIII By repaired he meant they put some duct tape on it.
OpenMawProductions 1 year ago
bird of prey was a better ship then the 1-7-0-1 enterprise
bird beat the shit out of the enterprise!!!!
IBBangin82 1 year ago
@IBBangin82 Connie refit is a superior design to BoP even Commander Kruge was wondering why the Enterprise didn't finish them off. 1701 was badly damaged in the battle with the Reliant and bearly functioning. The Klingons got lucky.
seebee077 1 year ago
@seebee077 it doesn't matter that the klingons got lucky it was one of the most upset moment in star trek history! The Brid of Pird Rules!!! RIP Commander Kruge!
IBBangin82 1 year ago
Ahh, Prokifiev - what a great film composer! ...wait, this is James Horner?
jbw470 1 year ago
@jbw470 I always thought the Trek III score borrowed heavily from Wagner ("Siegfried's Funeral" and suchlike). Giachinno's theme to Trek '09 reminds me more than a little of Mussorgsky.
FreedomZealot 1 year ago
@FreedomZealot yeah, there's a bit of Wagner in III. I haven't seen the new Trek though. The music in this clip is very blatantly from Prokofiev's Romeo and Juliet Suite - in the movement "Romeo at Juliet's Grave".
jbw470 1 year ago
@jbw470 After listening to that piece (I hadn't heard that entire Suite before -- now I'm going to have to get it! -- I can hear what you mean, as it were. The use of chromaticism and dissonant passing tones is very similar. Horner used an approach like this in the scene from TWOK that juxtaposed the birth of Genesis with the death of Spock. He's done that quite a bit, in fact.
FreedomZealot 1 year ago
@jbw470 just think of kirk as a slightly overweight romeo and enterprise as juliet stuck in a starship
makutateridax200 1 month ago
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jbw470 1 month ago
Maybe its just a movie of my generation, but do u think that people like us will be sitting at a computer 25 years from now talking about avatar? Thats a great movie but I dont think so. Star trek(old school star trek)rocks!
mjl1tron 1 year ago 2
@mjl1tron Damn straight.
FreedomZealot 1 year ago
@mjl1tron amen man. avatar is visually impressive but at its core it's a bunch of heartless schlock. this scene packs so much more than any of that shit.
griffonstink 1 year ago
someone made a graphic where they found Enterprise burned out and brought it back to starfleet
TheDEATHSTARIII 1 year ago
my god bones what have i done
TheDEATHSTARIII 1 year ago
This song captures the esence of the moment!!!!..Excellent song
romeonarcizo 1 year ago 2
Incredible. I thought this movie sucked when I was younger. Star Trek 2-4 are some of the finest examples of character driven sci fi
nova423 2 years ago 4
I completely agree!!!!
clickgal 2 years ago 2
that is awesome :)
nova423 2 years ago
star trek 3 got to be 3rd best.
star trek 2 , Star trek 4 then star trek 3
jds198200 1 year ago
Let history never forget the name, ENTERPRISE.
katey1dog 2 years ago 6
This music played in my head when my I received word of my extremely devoted girlfriend have died.
AJGreene007 2 years ago
...ouch man.
stringerboi 2 years ago
I can hear the rumbling of the Genesis planet and diaolouge. Let me guess youve taken the score from the surround on Dolby stereo matrix, why not just take it from left and right split-surrounds on the original Star Trek DVD collection as that is the closest form to the road show 70mm prints since the early DVD editions!
EmpireLS56KW 2 years ago
Shit man, if I was Scotty there I'd be crying. If I worked on that fine ship for more than 2o years and I saw it falling through the atmosphere, I'd be heartbroken. As was I when I first saw this, even though I already knew it was going to be destroyed.
FreakyDeakyMia 2 years ago 9
I imagine Mr. Scott was beyond tears at this point.
commandox20 2 years ago 8
He never did you know. I think he would rather see her go down in a blaze of glory than to have her collecting dust at the fleetyard.
katey1dog 2 years ago
She was busted old lady at that time and it was the only logical thing to do to get them out of the dire straights that they got themselves into and it all worked out mission accomplished! I have had enough of you, Kirk gives Kruge or what ever the heck his name is the THX boot of the cliff that was felt at the Empire Leicester Square Star Trek marathon Stardate 8/10/1989 it had warp factor 13KW JBL THX KICK!
EmpireLS56KW 2 years ago
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it's was the enterprise time to go anyway like I said be for bird of prey was the better ship in the battle.
jds198200 2 years ago
A fully-fitted constitution class would pimp-slap a bird of prey...now a constituion class vs. a 23rd century klingon battlecruiser is pretty even
dpinzow 2 years ago 2
Not really. The Enterprise had 2 forward torpedoe launchers whereas Kronos-1 had only one for, and one aft. Not much firepower when going head-to-head with the Federation. Plus there are over a dozen phaser banks on the saucer alone.
katey1dog 2 years ago 3
My God Bones.... what have I done?
supermott6 2 years ago 11
turned death into a fighting chance to live
hhb5 2 years ago 7
"What you had to do. What you always do. Turn death into a fighting chance to live."
alohajoe98 2 years ago 7
Farewell Enterprise. *Salutes*
SulliMike241 2 years ago 4
One of the greatest moments in Trek - ah the glory days before Rick Berman and Brannon Braga and the UPN suits ruined trek.
PfunkGW 2 years ago 8
Especially Brannon Braga.
FekLeyrTarg 2 years ago 3
No one felt free to up-thumb your comment, till now. :-)
katey1dog 2 years ago 2
I was 9 years old when I saw the Enterprise die and part of my childhood died with her
Megatron65 2 years ago 4
I cried when the bird of prey went down in star trek 4 movie. it was awsome how the crew used it. i was hoping that it was going to be in star trek 5
jds198200 2 years ago
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JediMasterHorton 2 years ago
The best ship, with the best crew. Hands down. RIP 1-7-0-1.
commandox20 3 years ago 42
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bird of prey was a better ship then the 1-7-0-1 enterprise
jds198200 2 years ago
On what basis? Apples and oranges. The Constitution Class was certainly a more powerful ship but in this case it was undermanned and Mr. Scott had it "bypassed like a Christmas tree" and "didn't expect to take it into combat". This battle therefore is an exception, not the rule in determining the outcome of a battle between a bird of prey and a Constitution class ship.
PfunkGW 2 years ago
Ha ha, very funny. Enterprise (when undamaged) outguns the Bird of Prey 10-to-1 (quote from Kruge).
MusicalFan1701 2 years ago 2
@commandox20 No bloody A, B, C, or D!
thefinalfrontier1701 1 year ago
My God, Bones. What Have I Done?
What You Had To do. What You Always Do. Turn Death Into A Fighting Chance To Live.
redwa11er 3 years ago 67
yeah, classic lines, they all come flooding back lol
me and my friends at that time were always saying them.
intermender 2 years ago
Sulu: "Planet core readings unstable, changing rapidly."
MusicalFan1701 2 years ago
@redwa11er friend of mine was just in a car accident this week. Her car was totaled. She was looking at her wrecked car being put on a flatbed and was cryin after having it for over 10 years. She asked what I was thinking, and I told her the enterprise destruction scene and McCoy's quote was the first thing that popped in my head. She was quiet for a minute, then chucked. This was the best scene of that movie.
ronskfc 1 year ago
@redwa11er absolutely loved this scene. haunting and memorable.
griffonstink 1 year ago
@redwa11er That was one of the sadest moments from this movie...
SebRhade 7 months ago