Filipino culture and condition have become so pathetic, that they will look to any aspirin to relieve the pain instead of getting the right treatment for their disease. They have a lot of problems: They send OFWs to the countries whose nationals we kill. They have a corrupt government, even the current one.
Their population is growing to catastrophic levels, and yet an outdated church tries to stop nearly any method at population control. High crime, high poverty, high blood... They are unfortunately on the lower end (or even at the lowest end) when compared to their Asian neighbors.
Filipino pop is NOT growing to "catastrophic" levels. India had a billion, and added another 200 million over the last decade. Would that have happened if India couldn't somehow hold more people? Probably not. The Philippines is nearly as dense as India. Yet India can do it?
Yes, Catholic Church is corrupt, but not for promoting the natural spread of human life. I reject use of "birth control" and oppose imposing pop "control," because it's contrary to nature, is anti-human rights
@pronatalist do you realise what you are saying?Chinese have better opputunities at home because they have limitied their populatio ngrowth while providing incentives for economic growth.This gives educated young chinese the chance to live a truely middle class lifestyle.Now there are many more young Indians and pinoys who miss out on the good life merely because of ever increasing competion from this never ending baby boom.This is why pinoy,afros,Indians etc work in most menial jobs in the GCC.
Of course I realize what I am saying. I have been a pro-life activist for 2 decades, and I defend the many advantages of letting world pop freely expand.
Contraceptives do not cure any disease, nor is pregnancy a "disease" as some crazed liberals seem to think. Contraceptives take something that is working properly, and makes it dysfunctional.
Babies are not to blame, nor are large families to blame. Corrupt gov and fiat paper currency, is what spreads poverty.
So why is humanity plagued with corrupt governments anyway? Why don't people know this? Because they are not educated properly to reason clearly nor to understand truth, in the gov monopoly schools, that push gov views, rather than truth. People have this crazy idea, that politicians, merely by serving in gov, serve the general good of the people. They don't. They serve themselves and to grow gov, and gov is their answer to everything.
How do we make gov less corrupt? By informing ourselves. We can teach ourselves truth, by studying our Bibles. Vote politicians, who lie and serve themselves, out of office. Stop re-electing so many incumbents. No wonder politicians are so out-of-touch with the needs of the people. Most are clueless about economics nor about businesses, because we elect "career politicians," rather than the common people, to serve in gov.
Pronatalism denies "overpop" used as liar scapegoat.
Competition is good, in a healthy economy. When we have free enterprise trade, both sides benefit, for if they did not, 1 side would not agree to the trade, and there would be no trade in that instance.
The "never ending baby boom," is a "fact of life" that we should expect anyway, for human pop is hard to control, as God commanded and designed people, to multiply. But more people means more customers, more inventions, more business opportunities, more jobs, more options.
@pronatalist cntd...Irony is they themselves were'nt so fortunate,esp my dad as his dad was poor,yet had three kids(opposed to the average of 8-10 kids for his era(50s)though ;) )..If all Indians had fewer kids,an India with three hundred million people would have engouh population as well as being a fine place to live.Regarding our current condition,less said the better.Are you really a pinoy or other third worlder?I ask this coz,you have to live in a palce to understand its plusses and minuses
They say of poor people, that children are their only wealth. Is it any wonder then, why poor people often WANT big families? How dare anybody try to rob the poor, of their "only wealth," that is, their children?
Research the evils of the depopulation agenda. Not only do the evil New World Order criminal elitists, manipulate economies to spread poverty, but then they aim to murder the poor, for the "sin" of being poor! How will God not judge such evil liars and send them to hell?
Depopulation agenda, and nazi eugenics, are much the same thing. Do the research and see.
Why can't the world solve problems anymore? It's because we have fallen away from our faith, our Bibles collect dust due to lack of reading, a growing famine of the hearing of God's Word, which the Catholic Church has long been known to suppress throughout history By The Way, showing that Catholic Church is apostate. Some say Pope is Anti-Christ.
Which Prime Minister was it, who said It's okay Filipino pop is growing, for the rest of the world is growing too? Actually, that's a very wise insight. What I think that means, is that they expect to import the solutions to higher pop, that the world will surely advance as it grows, which will help The Philippines grow denser and denser, more comfortably and safely.
I have long advocated a denser world, for it answers so many questions. How can we keep enjoying having children?
@PignoyPride Yeah the church has no say in most parts of Europe and so they bring their filth and backwardness to countries like India,philipinnes etc to keep us in the middle ages and their coffers flowing.Fuck them,work for your country and people,we(all third worlders)irth control,NOW!
Why are you so harsh, against the Church, in the area where the Church actually does something right?
In the case of the Church defending the natural pop growth of the people, the Church is actually defending the common man, and individual liberty. No way to force people to have sex, right? The pop is already growing, and evil New World Order criminal elitists, or corrupt politicians, want to blame babies or parents? People want their children to be valued, to be welcome.
@pronatalist Americans don't believe their government/politicians either.What does that have to do with overpopulation?So we should believe the church/religious authorities for every word they say,but not our government?I say leave them both aside and take informed decisions.The internet is our best friend.In the pre industrial age a high population was a benefit.Nowadays it is more of a pain in the derriere.My parents can afford to tutor me and send me abroad for edu cause I am a single child..
I am thinking to move and leave from U.S. and move perhaps to the Middle East. America and Europe have no future, for we don't value our children any more? We either don't, or barely have even enough children to maintain our pop sizes. Commodities trader Jim Rogers, says the future is in Asia. That's where the savers and pop growers are. America and Europe are awash unsustainable debt and dysfunctional socialism.
I object to Catholicism and their pagan Sunday-keeping.
But those countries you listed, are all of high density. Just because they are dense, doesn't mean they can't still enjoy freely having children, pop growing naturally without the unnatural "birth control."
"Emerging pop giants," of Nigeria and Pakistan, might have prosperous futures, even though they have large pops and rapid pop growth.
Quality goes hand-in-hand with quantity. Happy people might be inclined to let families grow naturally large. Large pop begets babies.
@pronatalist Rich countries with high density have the capital to build 100 story reliable,earthquake proof skyscrapers for their excess pop.So either South Korea or Japan having more kids would benefit them.But when poor countries which are already overpopulated go about their breeding ways,this leads to misery,crime and a cycle of poverty and exploitation.Nigeria and Pakistan are failed states.Their division and backwardness will push them back to poverty.mideast 2.Peopel w/o kids can be happy
Internet may be our friend, by being most free place in the world, place of free speech and diverse views, but don't you think internet also helps spread intelligence and ideas, to better cope with and ADAPT to higher pop worldwide?
High pop is still a huge benefit, to the billions who couldn't have lived, except that births were allowed and encouraged to become so naturally numerous.
Families don't have to be small to afford tutors. There's self-taught, internet schooling
@pronatalist .the church defends individual dignity when it agrees with their concept of it,such as free procreation.But when someone wants the dignity to question the church or even god or question their stand on overpopulation,thats when things get ugly,like our friend the phillipines president here where he risks excommunication.In the past when the church had full authority over europe,the atrocities commited on people like gallileo gallie or giordano bruno for example.So much for decency eh
I don't understand what the issue is, where the Filipino President risks excommunication. Is he trying to rob the wealth of the people, to push shoddy contraceptive usage, down their throats? If so, he ought to be kicked out. What in the world is a group like "Catholics for Free Choice?" What? Choice to have naturally large families? No, they mean abortion. So why do they pretend to be Catholic? How obvious can an oxymoron be? Why don't they disassociate from Catholicism?
You understand?, that people like me, are reluctant to call ourselves "Christians," for that term has too many negative connotations. Yes, we may be "Christian" in some contexts, in that we follow Christ, but we often prefer terms like believers or "the way" or
"people of faith" or Messianic, because we don't want to be associated with pagan practices such as Sunday-keeping, or pagan holidays.
So unlike pagans-for-abortion who try to infiltrate Catholicism with more lies
@pronatalist Well those unborn billions who could have been born had our overpopulating ways continued everywhere on earth,those people would wish they had'nt eben born.No self respecting human being deserves to live in slum like conditions.Even the UK and some western countries despite their wealth cannot provide enough for all their citizens.This results in ghettos and in places like the phillipines with more stress on their land/infra,it leads to slums/shanties.Humans need space and resources
What? Did you just say, that people who live in slums, have living conditions so poor, that they shouldn't be allowed to live? Well who are you, to decide who is worthy of life? Yes, I do say, let people in slums procreate naturally, and let their pops grow freely. The answer is to build better housing, not to blame people for accepting God's wondrous blessings of children. Far better to be born into overcrowded slums, than to not have lived at all, due to less procreation
I find it hugely embarrassing, to read on internet, of medical clinics with more contraceptives than they know what to do with, but having shortages of basic supplies like clean needles, not having well-baby-delivery-kits, and read of condoms being used to waterproof roofs, and being given to children to play with as balloons.
Who is doing these horrible evils? Trying to deceive people, and tell them that contraceptives are medical care, while other medical care lacks?
Is that why our taxes ever increase, our economy shrinks, our jobs vanish, because we are being forced to subsidize such evils? What of my religious freedom? What if I don't believe in worshiping the pagan magic condom?
So you admit there really is no "excess" pop, since we could always stack people up into highrises, if we need to? But all countries have this "capital" of which you speak. Capital comes from proper use of human labor. They have many potential workers.
How exactly are "emerging pop giants" Nigeria and Pakistan, "failed states?" I call them "emerging pop giants," because they both have pops that are very large, and rapid growth, which makes them perhaps soon-to-be, "heavy" contributors to rising world pop. Perhaps in the context, that I may find too much gov corruption to be attracted to move there. But the people are not all dead yet, so there still is hope, and they aren't completely "failed."
I'm a little confused here, what exactly are you saying? If S. Korea can stack "excess" pop into skyscrapers, then why exactly can't Nigeria and Pakistan? Because they must first be corrupted by NWO criminal elitists to get the construction loans from fraudulent "printed" paper fiat currency dishonest money?
Were naked Adam and Eve in the Garden, living in "poverty" too? Or are you trying to push on Western definitions of "poverty" upon people not into our materialism?
Do you blame only the Church, for so-called "overpop?" It's not just "religious" objections to use of any method of "birth control," but they say what populates the planet is so extremely pleasurable; - and then of course, many parents love their children so much, that they just seem to have a lot of children. Church defends individual rights and the dignity of each and every human life, and protects the right to freely procreate. Are you saying individual dignity is wrong?
@pronatalist No I also blame illiteracy,poverty and "POOR GOVERNANCE" for overpop.BTW the stuff that makes populating the planet can be pleasurable(you know,like drinking without throwing up) without actually resulting in childbirth,learn from your enlightened scandinavian brethren.If parents love their kids,they would "NEVER" have more kids than they can provide for(good,maybe private education,comfort food,toys aplenty and most importantly spend hours upon hours each day with their children)..
That people like me, consider to give up on "has been" America, and go move to the Middle East or somewhere, shows that not everybody wants to live in some huge landmass country where pop density is low. I'm quite fine with very high pop level, if a country is better run, and politicians aren't so corrupt.
Everybody in my little poll said God's commandment, Be fruitful and multiply, still applies today. Perhaps they don't want to be told how many children they may have?
@pronatalist God's commandment? I will accept it as god's commandment when god tells it to me.Cheers,BTW what do you mean by false religion?Have'nt people been killing each other in the name of religion for the past 2000 yrs?Its funny how these same people call other peaceful religions as false.Abrahamic religions are run like corporations-more the clients and more the buyers,more labourers and richer doth elite become!You know like how one factory's workers buy the products of another and vc.
God has already told it to as his commandment. Read Genesis 1: 28, 9: 1. Surely you aren't going to tell God, you didn't have access to a Bible?
Does it apply to people today? In an informal poll I conducted, all my friends and coworkers said it applies still. One guy even said something about pop being "huge," but yes, it still applies. Perhaps they are wise enough to see the protection from gov trying to tell them how many children they can have?
What do I mean by false religion? Religion that is false. Why does this require a complicated explanation? God clearly stated in his Word, what is true, and religion that differs from this, is in error or rebellion. One such example, is Sunday-worship, a tradition and imperialism of the Roman empire and Catholic Church, which is in clear violation of the 4th commandment, which defines Sabbath as the 7th day.
Why do you stuff me into huge stereotype of pagan false religion?
Trying to divorce copulation from reproduction, is defiling the sacred procreative purpose for which God designed sex. And we have rampant abortions, promiscuity, STDs, divorces, to show for it. Large families were long accepted as just the normal expected thing. Humans did well without "birth control" for some 6000 years, and now all of a sudden, we need shoddy contraceptives? What gives? Were our ancestors wrong to "let babies happen" or are we wrong today "overpop" lies?
Abrahamic religions are run like corporations? Did I ever say I agree with that? Where is the Bible, are we commanded to build big impressive Church buildings, and run entertainment circus shows, common referred to as a Church service?
Can you not notice, that I differ with perhaps most of the organized Americanized Church? What happened to Catholics and Protestants preaching against "family planning" at least until the 1930s? Why do we not honor Sabbath as in 4th command-
How is it you have so many opinions, against people enjoying their God-given freedom to enjoy having "all the children God gives," and yet you know so little of the disgusting history of how the shoddy contraceptive use came about?
Margaret Sanger, a witch lesbian who hung around radicals and communists, founder of American Birth Control League, later renamed Planned Parenthood to disassociate from Nazi eugenics (like that made any difference?) wrote for having "unlimited"
.. wrote for having "unlimited" sex without the "burdens" of "unwanted" children. Of course, back in that time, families were still commonly large, as society had not yet figured out how to make children seem to be an economic "burden," at least not to the common people.
Now what happens when married people still expect their entitlement to "unlimited" sex, but discover "religious" or practical objections to use of "birth control?" See why I defend naturally large families?
Do you really think I have any interest in having "never ending baby boom" to fill Catholic pews? I never said I was Catholic. I go to a Messianic fellowship. We don't like to call ourselves a "Church." I guess "Church" or "Christian" has too many negative connotations these days. We are very much into the "Jewishness" of the Bible and early Church, and into Sabbath (4th commandment Exodus 20) = Saturday, not Sun (false) god worship pagan Sun-day.
@pronatalist remember when the bible was written,the average age of a medieval arab(where the bible was written,jerusalem) or european was probably 25-30...today it is nearly 75 in poor countries like India/phillipines,even african ones and as high as 85+ in Japan and 88 in Macau.With such long lifespans on an average even in some of the poorest parts of the world,the bible written two thousand years ago isn't that relevant.We need lesser people coming into our planet.Quality wins over quantity!
I asked some friends, and some question whether people really lived for shorter time in the past. Obviously, some lived to old age, even in the past.
But regardless, even if people are living longer, there is no need to ask nor expect people to "limit" their birthrate. Who wants to have children, to see some of them die? If more people are living longer, and few if any babies die, that's all the more reason to enjoy having large families, simply let pop size soar naturally
We need MORE people coming into our planet, not less. It's not just about having the minimal number needed to staff some evil socialist machine state, as if we were merely worth-little cogs in a giant system. If it was, then countries having "more than enough" people in some aspects, could be considered.
Nothing wrong with the natural unrestrained flow of human life, families growing to 8 or 10 or more children, letting India soar freely, naturally, into the many billions.
India is already stuck with 1.2 billion people. 300 million is long ago past. India can be a nice home for billions, if properly developed for billions. But gov is corrupt, requires too much paperwork to start a business, then they let paperwork sit and won't process it. Gov corruption + false religion, makes for poverty.
I am not Filipino, nor any other "third worlder," but rather I am exploring how to escape America, before our politicians collapse dollar under debt.
@pronatalist Start a business?Only legit ones have the red tape.Go to any developing country and check out the sheer number of undocumented,street side start ups(shops),you would just love all that entreprenurial energy.In most places even the pavements built with roads taxes from fools like me and my family who continue to put up with this country are filled to the brim with these shops and their ""inventory"", only when a capitalist like me wants to do legit business does the suffering start!!
I read somewhere, that many families may like an extra child or two (more). Problem is, the world has a billion families. I don't see that as a "problem" at all, for I do not believe in imposing pop "control" upon people, nor the unnatural "birth control." If a billion mothers would like to have an "extra" baby or two, I am confident the world can hold yet another few more billions of people, especially since it would take a little time, they won't all come "overnight."
I don't like the way that U.S. is being run, and I fear for our future. I also think our birthrate is too low, and might rather live where people love their children so much, as to allow for naturally high birthrate. It's not just that, but the culture and family may be stronger, healthier?
I agree very much with India having to let it's pop grow naturally "huge." Of course people should welcome their "precious darling" babies. They have right to enjoy freedom, huge pop.
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If the US birth rate is low according to you,why don't you advocate for a more liberal immigration policy?That would bring all the "precious darling" babies the 'mericans could ever need.I have the right to get services for the tax I pay.But oh no,the poor are so numerous and the middle classes like me so afraid of poverty that me and my ilk have merely 1 or 2 kids reducing us to a trifle vote while poor are votebanks
How do you come so close to arguing my points, and then just miss the point? According to some of what I read, growing "underground" economy may be the future? As govs become more corrupt, and taxes become unbearable, doesn't it simply stand to reason, that more people find ways to escape, by apparently having little "on paper?" That getting paid "under the table" may be the only way? Why do you think NWO wants to eliminate cash? Because NWO economy-fraud, already failing.
I prefer the legit business way, but if it won't work any longer in America, well except maybe for a few well-established giant corporations, then shouldn't I then look, at what countries are left, that are more friendly towards business and jobs? Where should I move to? I'd even move to where pop is very high, if the people are friendly, gov isn't in the way, and accommodation of rising pop is priority, and large families and path-to-Residency are welcomed.
How did you know, I tend to be a little "liberal" (or permissive or inviting) towards high levels of immigration? Problem is, many of my conservative peers, aren't so liberal on immigration. They see a flood of "illegals" as a political and economic threat, for DemocRATS are trying to rebuild their base and "stuff the ballot box" with easy illegals. Perhaps my peers raise a good point? And immigration isn't my calling, so much as pro-life and pronatalism,urging pops to grow
I actually agree with allowing immigrants to "overflow" their lands, and to spread to more countries, as ultimately, isn't human pop natural increase, a global issue, and not simply a community or regional issue? Perhaps it increasingly takes the entire planet to hold us all, so I disagree with crazed liberals who want to force high density to save wilderness from "encroachment" of rising human pops.
But, are many "technicalities" like assimilation, learn English, borders.
@pronatalist Speaking about our 6000 years of existence,remember most human societies barring India,Mesapotomia,some parts of Asia were hunter gatherers for the most part well into the 1500s.Only now has the hunter gatherer way of living gone out of fashion.
Next deadly diseases like cholera,malaria etc have been almost wiped out.
Outbreaks like the black plague have also been done away with thanks to mdoern medicine(not Jesus).
Finally large scale wars are a thing of the past.Get it???
But shouldn't we first try to encourage countries to take more responsibility for their own rising pops? I don't mean to impose "control" of human fertility, but rather, we could moderate flow of refugees somewhat, simply by respecting people better, and welcoming Chinese who want their "traditionally very large" families, to be free to have them IN CHINA. If human rights were more universally respected, might we see smaller crowds of refugees, even as pops naturally soar?
@pronatalist The reason S.Korea and Japan want to have smaller families is so that they can have a grip over their destiny.Food security rings any bills?Or do you suggest that once overpopulation and prenatalism has lead to the total depletion of farmland(as it is already underway),we should include babies in our diet,albeit eating them with love?You can always blame the pagans for it,can't you?The Japs and other asian brothers did'nt want this.They want food security,not the austere meal of 50s
Isn't it the rich, who ought to be having the largest families? Who better could afford so many children? But the rich have the most pathetic excuses against having children. Look up Psalm 107: 41 in the KJV. Why does God give so many children to the poor? I've often suspected, because the rich don't want them?
If the rich don't love their children enough to have many, then they deserve to be greatly outnumbered in votes or influence, by the poor? Stop rich being jealous.
@pronatalist You don't get my point....the rich can have 100 kids if they want or none.It is a lifestyle choice for them,like H'wood actors who adopt one kid each from all the 160+ countries on the globe...the poor already live in the bottom of the pile,so its just another shanty for them...it is the middle class bourgeouis who face the heat from the overconsumption of the rich and the overbreeding of the poor...ironically this group has the least mobility and is the most productive in every ntn
Now how are the rich going to have 100 children if they want? By adopting all the children of the poor, as if the poor deserve nothing, maybe not even to live?
Poor do not "overbreed." What kind of way is that to speak, of God-given children? Do the poor need your condescending attitude, about whether they should even count as people or not?
And no, if you think I am middle class, I am NOT responsible for "overconsumption."
You seem awful quick, to assign the poor, middle class, rich, to their assigned NWO roles. You know I just don't like stuffy little stereotypes. I think of people as more the same than that. The poor aspire to become more rich, and the rich elites who stole wealth of nations, seem threatened by that, and yet, have more than they could possibly spend on anything useful.
NWO criminal elites, block infrastructure, to keep poor poor, so they can step on and murder the poor.
Isn't it possible, that many people in S.Korea and Japan, may still want naturally large families? Ah, but the land can't hold so many people? But it can!
Food security. You have some nerve. More mouths doesn't threaten food security. The real issue is greedy giant corporations like Monsanto, who act like they own the world, and harass farmers and accuse them of "saving seed." Forcing their GMO monopoly upon world. Such behavior is the real threat to global food security.
Well of course hunter-gatherer is out-of-date. Can that old quaint practice, feed 7 billion people? Maybe even farming seems a bit old fashioned. But practices of trapping poor farmers into buying chemicals and pesticides and what all?, is somewhat questionable with the bad economics of the world that bring up the question how farmers with too many expenses, can ever get out of debt and make a profit?
Most anything that can hold human pops "in check" fast fading away is all
Most anything that can keep human pops "in check" fast fading away, is all the more reason we should be growing. It's absurd to think that birthrates should be lowered to absurdly low levels as to match lower death rates. Who signed such a wicked deal with the devil? The people who brought us better conditions, like public sanitation that higher pop levels need, never asked we use "birth control." Many such improvements can before the "birth control" fad.
You just don't get it. Who wants to have babies to see them die? You think parents have children, only for the reason as to keep pop from shrinking? That's absurd. To fill an "empty" world is but 1 of 100 great reasons to have children. Most reasons, have little to do with pop size, and continue, no matter how "huge" the pop may someday become.
Parents want to have children to see them live, to grow up and have still more children.
@pronatalist I don't agree,poor people have many kids to garner a source of income or take care of them in their old age.In uncontrolled rural and even urban parts,the poor for the most part live above the law in the very same shanties you are so much in awe of.They have many kids because this means there are more hands/feet to work on their farms and at the nearest factory to bring a bigger income to mom and dad.Not because they love kids.What sort of lala land are u living in?Life is tough son
Oh, I'm quite sure that children aren't merely an "economic investment" to the poor. Of course they love their children. Most everybody loves their children, even when pregnancies were supposedly "unplanned." That's a common lie or distortion of the rampant "family planning" pushers, that "unplanned" pregnancies are presumed to be "unwanted." Often such babies are very much wanted by the time they are born. I'm sure parents grieve for the deaths of "unplanned" babies.
What do you mean, the poor live "above the law?" What? What are you talking about? Are they "criminals" just because gov won't allow the poor to obtain clear title to their "squatter" land?
I have long suspected that contributing factor to the "explosive" growth of shantytowns. Gov corruption. Denying the poor any claim to land anywhere. Why build a nice house, if it may be bulldozed any day? If land is gov-hoarded, then poor can't afford high housing costs as the rich can.
I don't see many stupid liberals running around, saying that people ought not to have so much sex? Why are they always trumpeting the magic condom, as if God either doesn't exist, or somehow goofed and made people "too fertile?"
They say, "You can't stop people from having sex." Oh really? So what happens when all those people discover practical or "religious" objections to use of any means of "birth control?"
Great reason I am eager proponent of naturally large families.
@pronatalist You don't get it...there would be NO technological development if it were'nt for the limitations(both natural/carrying capacity of the land and artificial)...India or phillipines does'nt need to research and make machines for cleaning sewers or robotic arms to perform lights out manufacturing because the low cost of too many people would keep salaries low.This ultimately prevents humans from living like their species's namesake.Humans need jobs other than child bearing too u know!!!
Is the only reason for technological advancement, just to put expensive workers out of business? So tell me, how many millions of people would it take, to do the calculations to render a 3-D video game? If we have enough cartoon drawers, could I get 30 frames a second on my TV screen? Of course not. More cheap workers, still can't do the job. Only computers can do some things in real time.
Saw on TV, making road gravel manually with hammer? No wonder India people are poor?
@pronatalist I don't what you watch on bible TV or any of those propaganda channels like the BBC or Fox,but remember even in India,with the millions of miles of road being laid,making them with hammers sounds like your utopia where a trillion people can be employed for 1$/day.Reality is heavy machines from Japan such as those made by Komatsu are being laid enmasse to lay roads in-India thats right!India is poor because there are too many people.The world's second largest economy is what India is
"Too many" people, compared to what? What is the standard against which you measure? What I see here, is typical liberal arrogance. Liberals act as if, they know more about what's good for people, than the actual people affected. Libs act to take away choice, responsibility, freedom, from everybody, because only libs know more than their parents, their religion, the people affected. Parents are the one populating their homes. Wouldn't they better know, if they can fit more?
You claim there is "too many" people, which is obviously wrong, because scripture clearly commands us Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. Fill the earth, is more a process than an end goal, so we are to continue multiplying as we await Jesus's return
You also claim that machines do too much of the work, an old argument, never proven, yet economic theory says that to increase wealth, productivity gains must be made, doing more with less work, so people can have more
The Bible is inspired by God. Yet you tell me to read PBS liberal propaganda?
How do you assume that economy can't even produce tin roofs for all these people? What? Your socialist communist economy centrally-planned? Are you admitting that what you promote, doesn't work? Is tin the only material from which a roof can be made? Aluminum is 8% of the earth's crust. Last I heard, aluminum was waterproof. Even wood shingles shed water. Even grass thatched roof shed water.
People use too many resources, you say? Which people? All people? On average? Compared to what? People in overcrowded shanties also use too much resources? So you want them to be even poorer?
I'm the one showing compassion here. I understand they love children, and why human pops go on growing. They say that of poor people, children are their only wealth. Children are old age security. Children even help bring in income to the family.
Children weren't seen an an economic "burden" a half century ago. As recently as the 1950s, people had children and didn't count the cost, according to a book I have about culture
World is awash, or should I say "overpop," with fiat paper currency dishonest money, backed by nothing now, but liar promises of corrupt politicians. Economy is stagnant, businesses afraid to expand in America, due to uncertain tax increases, runaway regulations. Fix, by firing corrupt politicians
@pronatalist Half a century ago,the fact book says that the earth's population was just 1.5 billion +,since then we have managed to ruin it by populating our earth to around 7 times that extent.BTW when I say such and such population is enough,what I am talking about is the carrying capacity.Hunter gatherers need a person/sqkm to survive.Farmers can sustain atleast 30 people/sqkm.That is why historically farming civilisations(europe) took over huntergatherers(australian aborigines for ex) and...
@pronatalist ..modern farming methods have come a long way,what with food processing,tractors,Mills,high yielding varieties we can support much more people.150-200 people/sqkm sounds just right.Every country need atleast 100% or more of agricultural capacity to feed its people.Maybe more because we need to feed people licing in deserts,islands(where fresh water isn't available) and so forth.But with current population growth and disappearing farmlands,we would all starve.Only god can save us!lol
It is liberals like yourself, who are robbing even the poor, for liberals insist we keep "printing" trillions, to insure that the gov bloat can continue, overpaying unproductive gov employees who reduce people's freedom, continue excessive numbers of people now working for gov and to expand gov. Trillions to bail out irresponsible bank-sters. Trillions to debase and ruin the value of people's hard-earned savings.Trillions to rob people of retirement funds. This pleases God?
@pronatalist I believe in a laissez faire economy...know what that is?Google is your best friend.My favourite economy historically is that of medieval Iceland,esp of the pre-christian era.Great place!Currently I feel S.Korea,Germany,Hong Kong,Singapore are cutting edge and the shit.Barring Germany all other three are low tax,low redtape jurisdictions.Japan's issue is not old age but government restrictions and a huge tax burden.ANyway it rocks,this is a cold economic analysis thats all.Cheers!!!
So why not also laissez faire pop growth? If the pop grows larger, then let it. Apparently the people want higher pop, so as to have room for their families to grow naturally. Rather than fight against our reproductive rhythms, we ought to respect them, allow the body to get pregnant as often as it wants, and welcome "uncontrolled" childbirth, so that far more people can come to experience life.
In 1960, world pop was 3 billion. 1950, it was 2.5 billion. Pop is double+.
Pay attention to conspiracy theories, read the Bible, see what is really going on. Food is NOT limiting world pop expansion, but rather, New World Order criminal elites, have nearly destroyed fiat paper currencies and looted the people with their money "printing," or "quantitative easing," or whatever they like to call their "counterfeiting" now, people are waking up to their crimes, the stage is set for global power struggle, and some false flag and expect World War 3.
Do you know about red, yellow, green list? Even if you are on the green list, you are still marked to be murdered, for people who are no threat to the NWO, are "too many" people to gov. Without massive depop, how do you suppose those evil NWO criminal elitists, will continue to perpetrate their frauds in the age of internet and free flow of information?
When people say, "There's places all around to put more people," that implies people really want higher world density.
I should have spelled "gov" out. "too many" people to govern. But aren't people largely capable of governing themselves, under a gov and economy that is just and fair? So Big Brother gov can't be in 7 billion people's bedrooms? Then let world pop grow "unchecked," naturally, leave it up to God
Let people spread out sure, but also let world pop density rise and rise. If we put people into those places "all around" and we keep having children, that means, higher world density
No, I don't think we would all starve, no food production keeps improving, because farmers like to make profits, and 7 billion productive minds, can think of many, lots better ways of doing things. I think NWO knows food is no real "limit" on ultimate world pop size, that's why they are planning evil depop schemes, poisoning our skies with chem-trails, poisoning our water with sodium fluoride, tampering with our food, and plotting biological warfare on us.
You suggested a few places that already high pop density. Rather than coercing or deceiving parents into being robbed of their children and directly polluting their bodies with nasty unnatural Big Pharma contraceptive devices and drugs, there are far better alternatives. Like showing some respect and understanding for naturally large families, and exploring how to populate the world more densely, and comfortably and safely, so that there can be found place for everybody.
S.Korea - Big Christian movement, which is good, but too close to China, didn't do so well in Korean war, and I don't speak Korean. If I did speak Korean or know somebody there, and could get Residency, perhaps S.Korea could be a good place? The huge dense pop is okay.
Germany - I don't want to be Europe, and I don't like German language. Europe doesn't love their children, for they have hardly any children these days.
H. Kong is now controlled by China. Will China ever dare try to impose 1-child tyranny? China doesn't have enough freedom, and even if Hong Kong is exempt from China's economic freedom restrictions, but for how long?
Singapore is just too dense, and the pop too small. Singapore students excel in math and science. Singapore is very clean. But unless I was a better business person and had some business connections, I suspect that spacious housing may not be affordable for me?
Of course, if I already lived in one of the places you mentioned, I might be content to stay?
No, I think I'd like to move to Israel, if I can figure out how? Israel has lowered taxes, and I hear so much good about Israel. And I am already studying Hebrew, and their secondary language is English, which I speak well already. Even if Israel is somewhat dense, I'm sure I can have plenty of housing space, in the countryside, if housing is affordable? Israel has exciting economy
World pop is around 125 or 130 people per square mile, or 5 acres per person, not counting Antarctica. Since so many sensible people say, "There's places all around to put more people," then the obvious solution, is to simply do like that, and put more people into more places. By allowing people to live and procreate in closer proximity, on the global scale at least, we can keep having our precious darling babies, no matter how high overall pop might supposedly be getting.
Only God can save us from the evil NWO. We have lost control of our gov in U.S. due to stupidity, laziness, and falling away from faith. Career politicians have become the Satan worshipers, and have little or no respect for our Constitution anymore.
What do you have to say about "tax havens?" Are those places, also good places to live?
I heard in watching many YT videos about Israel, that it's much easier to start a business in Israel than America now. So why not move?
World pop has grown 7 times larger, since Thomas Malthus made his stupid gloom-and-doom predictions 2 centuries ago, that we should have all starved by now. How many times must "boy cry wolf," before you conclude, "maybe there just is no wolf?" (That's a reference to the children's fable, "The Boy Who Cried Wolf.") Enviro-wackos and pop phobics, have cried "Wolf!" for so long, that even if they had now a legitimate concern, why should they be believed or taken seriously?
I've heard of some village in China, feeding 500 people on 100 acres. That would be, 5 people per acre, or several thousand people per square mile.
Do some research and check your stats, for world pop has not grown as fast as you suggested, and it could be a lot denser than you seem to want to imagine possible.
Pop is too controversial for "laissez-faire," but rather, the right to procreate must be defended actively. So I actively urge naturally large families worldwide.
@pronatalist What do you have against tax havens?If large countries can offer the samelevel of protection for a man's sweat equity(his hard earned money),why would he/she keep their money in a a tax haven?Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? 'No!' says the man in Washington, 'It belongs to the poor.' 'No!' says the man in the Vatican, 'It belongs to God.' 'No!' says the man in Moscow, 'It belongs to everyone.' Instead you can choose something different/Choose a tax haven!LOL..hehehe!
Why do you think I have anything against tax havens? The only potential problems I see with tax havens, is that they are not Israel, they tend to be tiny, and will they continue to exist if evil NWO has its way? I asked what you thought, in case you wanted to recommend a tax haven? Income and property taxes are immoral, and keep people from getting ahead. Moral taxes are modest sales tax, tariffs, and gasoline tax. However, vehicles that don't use gasoline should be allowed
Yes, a man is entitled to the fruit of his labor. But what is it for anyway? For squandering on fancy sportscars or a fast fishing boat? Why not for the generous provision of his large family?
If you want to begin to understand individual human rights and basic human dignity, you need to try to understand the legal issue of jurisdiction. Gov simply does not have any jurisdiction on family size nor pop size. Pop is what it is. Childbearing is determined by parents and God.
That tax havens are a lure, is ample evidence that so many countries in the world, are unjust.
What has happened people are so dumbed down these days? Gov monopoly education? Stuff they put in our water or skies? HAARP?
American Revolutionary War started over a tea tax, and attempted British confiscation of our gunpowder. India gained their independence from Britain, over a dispute about a salt tax? What? Can NWO suck away our money until nothing's left, and we don't care?
Why do libs so love Big Brother bloated, into-everybody's-business gov? Perhaps libs think, gov solves problems? But gov is self-serving, greedy politicians, who too often care more about getting re-elected, than what's good for their country or the people. Why can't gov obey its own laws?
Israel was scarcely affected by The Great Obama Depression. Why? Because gov actually, contrary to so much of history, got out of the way. Taxes have been lowered. More capitalistic now
@pronatalist You just said "They say that of poor people, children are their only wealth. Children are old age security. Children even help bring in income to the family."That is the reason poor people love their kids so much.That sounds less like love and more like an old age insurance/pension to me.BTW please check Israel's fertility rate...one of the lowest on earth with only the koreans for company.Even Korea,Germany,Taiwan and Japan were unaffected FYI.ALl big govts,I support small 1s!
@pronatalist India has a 350 billion $ foreign exchange reserve which is the largest after slave driving china and petro chemical Russia/Saudi arabia.Even the USA does'nt have such a large forex reserve FYI.There are far too many people in India and this keeps pop from reaching a good per capita level of say atleast 15-18k USD per year(like Taiwan or SOuth Korea for example).Besides f this growth rate continues Indian will remain poor forever.The phillipines with their christian bigots is doomed
Not only must labor be organized by a functioning economy, to produce wealth, but the right tools must be used, to amplify the power of people to get the work done efficiently.
John Stossel said in India, a bunch of paperwork is required to start a business, then the government lets it pile up and refuses to process it. See, gov corruption makes people poor.
Due to high pop?, on The Jetsons, George J. works 3 hours a day, 3 days a week, = Full Time. I could live with that.
And what is George Jetson's job like, what work does he do? He sits around pushing buttons all day, that is, when he isn't sleeping on the job. Presumably, he is a computer or robot programmer. But the robots really do all the work.
What did you mean, "too many" people prevents people from living like their kind's namesake? Humans are a kind, not a species. Bible says animals (and people apparently), reproduce AFTER THEIR KIND.
@pronatalist Please stop watching cartoons(atleast poor ones like the Jetsons) and read a book with facts in it like say Guns,Germs and Steel.The bible is fiction,read non-fiction.People have come from the natural stage and use way too many resources,which need space to recouperate.For this we need lesser people else your freewheeling ways will ensure that people cannot even buy the tin roofs required to build shanties such as those in haiti/africa or phillipines.....Keep discussing my friend!!
@pronatalist Even China which has seen the benefit of a numerously humengous population of poor unskilled people(PRC's factory labour economy),used them to propel itself to today's state...yet even they hae the one child policy and an average age of 30 years.Speaks volumes does'nt it?South Korea(Greyyyyyy) is the only developed country to be in the next eleven.Dude you want to move from the US to the middle east?Plese do so.Only don't be under the illusion huge population=wealth/good future.NADA
They look to pride to try and lift themselves from the sober mood. They go back to pleasantry addiction instead of facing the problem squarely and trying to solve it properly. They try to focus on the positive in order to escape the negative. They seek escape by cheering Venus Raj, using the "pwede na yan" mentality to accept the 4th runner up position. That only shows how weak in character the Filipino culture has made of its people.
There is a way for people to go on having their precious darling babies, in a world of so many people alive already. Simply let world pop rise naturally, growing denser and denser.
Why talk negatively of "overpopulation crisis," when more and more people would be glad to live?
The needs of the living, outweigh the need for space to bury the dead.
There can come to be more places with lots of people and fewer places far from people. Simple. Build more cities and suburbs. Let families grow big.
Philippines is not overpopulated!!!
There are just some natural imbalances!!!
colzieripalda13 2 months ago
Filipino culture and condition have become so pathetic, that they will look to any aspirin to relieve the pain instead of getting the right treatment for their disease. They have a lot of problems: They send OFWs to the countries whose nationals we kill. They have a corrupt government, even the current one.
PignoyPride 4 months ago
Their population is growing to catastrophic levels, and yet an outdated church tries to stop nearly any method at population control. High crime, high poverty, high blood... They are unfortunately on the lower end (or even at the lowest end) when compared to their Asian neighbors.
PignoyPride 4 months ago
@PignoyPride
Filipino pop is NOT growing to "catastrophic" levels. India had a billion, and added another 200 million over the last decade. Would that have happened if India couldn't somehow hold more people? Probably not. The Philippines is nearly as dense as India. Yet India can do it?
Yes, Catholic Church is corrupt, but not for promoting the natural spread of human life. I reject use of "birth control" and oppose imposing pop "control," because it's contrary to nature, is anti-human rights
pronatalist 3 months ago
@pronatalist do you realise what you are saying?Chinese have better opputunities at home because they have limitied their populatio ngrowth while providing incentives for economic growth.This gives educated young chinese the chance to live a truely middle class lifestyle.Now there are many more young Indians and pinoys who miss out on the good life merely because of ever increasing competion from this never ending baby boom.This is why pinoy,afros,Indians etc work in most menial jobs in the GCC.
cillantro 1 month ago
@cillantro
Of course I realize what I am saying. I have been a pro-life activist for 2 decades, and I defend the many advantages of letting world pop freely expand.
Contraceptives do not cure any disease, nor is pregnancy a "disease" as some crazed liberals seem to think. Contraceptives take something that is working properly, and makes it dysfunctional.
Babies are not to blame, nor are large families to blame. Corrupt gov and fiat paper currency, is what spreads poverty.
pronatalist 1 month ago
@cillantro
So why is humanity plagued with corrupt governments anyway? Why don't people know this? Because they are not educated properly to reason clearly nor to understand truth, in the gov monopoly schools, that push gov views, rather than truth. People have this crazy idea, that politicians, merely by serving in gov, serve the general good of the people. They don't. They serve themselves and to grow gov, and gov is their answer to everything.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor.Ex20
pronatalist 1 month ago
@cillantro
How do we make gov less corrupt? By informing ourselves. We can teach ourselves truth, by studying our Bibles. Vote politicians, who lie and serve themselves, out of office. Stop re-electing so many incumbents. No wonder politicians are so out-of-touch with the needs of the people. Most are clueless about economics nor about businesses, because we elect "career politicians," rather than the common people, to serve in gov.
Pronatalism denies "overpop" used as liar scapegoat.
pronatalist 1 month ago
@cillantro
Competition is good, in a healthy economy. When we have free enterprise trade, both sides benefit, for if they did not, 1 side would not agree to the trade, and there would be no trade in that instance.
The "never ending baby boom," is a "fact of life" that we should expect anyway, for human pop is hard to control, as God commanded and designed people, to multiply. But more people means more customers, more inventions, more business opportunities, more jobs, more options.
pronatalist 1 month ago
@pronatalist cntd...Irony is they themselves were'nt so fortunate,esp my dad as his dad was poor,yet had three kids(opposed to the average of 8-10 kids for his era(50s)though ;) )..If all Indians had fewer kids,an India with three hundred million people would have engouh population as well as being a fine place to live.Regarding our current condition,less said the better.Are you really a pinoy or other third worlder?I ask this coz,you have to live in a palce to understand its plusses and minuses
cillantro 4 weeks ago
@PignoyPride
They say of poor people, that children are their only wealth. Is it any wonder then, why poor people often WANT big families? How dare anybody try to rob the poor, of their "only wealth," that is, their children?
Research the evils of the depopulation agenda. Not only do the evil New World Order criminal elitists, manipulate economies to spread poverty, but then they aim to murder the poor, for the "sin" of being poor! How will God not judge such evil liars and send them to hell?
pronatalist 3 months ago
@PignoyPride
Depopulation agenda, and nazi eugenics, are much the same thing. Do the research and see.
Why can't the world solve problems anymore? It's because we have fallen away from our faith, our Bibles collect dust due to lack of reading, a growing famine of the hearing of God's Word, which the Catholic Church has long been known to suppress throughout history By The Way, showing that Catholic Church is apostate. Some say Pope is Anti-Christ.
Contraceptive pushing distracts from reforms.
pronatalist 3 months ago
@PignoyPride
Which Prime Minister was it, who said It's okay Filipino pop is growing, for the rest of the world is growing too? Actually, that's a very wise insight. What I think that means, is that they expect to import the solutions to higher pop, that the world will surely advance as it grows, which will help The Philippines grow denser and denser, more comfortably and safely.
I have long advocated a denser world, for it answers so many questions. How can we keep enjoying having children?
pronatalist 3 months ago
@PignoyPride Yeah the church has no say in most parts of Europe and so they bring their filth and backwardness to countries like India,philipinnes etc to keep us in the middle ages and their coffers flowing.Fuck them,work for your country and people,we(all third worlders)irth control,NOW!
cillantro 1 month ago
@cillantro
Why are you so harsh, against the Church, in the area where the Church actually does something right?
In the case of the Church defending the natural pop growth of the people, the Church is actually defending the common man, and individual liberty. No way to force people to have sex, right? The pop is already growing, and evil New World Order criminal elitists, or corrupt politicians, want to blame babies or parents? People want their children to be valued, to be welcome.
pronatalist 1 month ago
@pronatalist Americans don't believe their government/politicians either.What does that have to do with overpopulation?So we should believe the church/religious authorities for every word they say,but not our government?I say leave them both aside and take informed decisions.The internet is our best friend.In the pre industrial age a high population was a benefit.Nowadays it is more of a pain in the derriere.My parents can afford to tutor me and send me abroad for edu cause I am a single child..
cillantro 4 weeks ago
@cillantro
I am thinking to move and leave from U.S. and move perhaps to the Middle East. America and Europe have no future, for we don't value our children any more? We either don't, or barely have even enough children to maintain our pop sizes. Commodities trader Jim Rogers, says the future is in Asia. That's where the savers and pop growers are. America and Europe are awash unsustainable debt and dysfunctional socialism.
I object to Catholicism and their pagan Sunday-keeping.
pronatalist 1 month ago
@pronatalist Taiwan,Japan,Hong Kong,South Korea,Macau and Singapore are the rich parts of asia.All damn old!
cillantro 4 weeks ago
@cillantro
But those countries you listed, are all of high density. Just because they are dense, doesn't mean they can't still enjoy freely having children, pop growing naturally without the unnatural "birth control."
"Emerging pop giants," of Nigeria and Pakistan, might have prosperous futures, even though they have large pops and rapid pop growth.
Quality goes hand-in-hand with quantity. Happy people might be inclined to let families grow naturally large. Large pop begets babies.
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@pronatalist Rich countries with high density have the capital to build 100 story reliable,earthquake proof skyscrapers for their excess pop.So either South Korea or Japan having more kids would benefit them.But when poor countries which are already overpopulated go about their breeding ways,this leads to misery,crime and a cycle of poverty and exploitation.Nigeria and Pakistan are failed states.Their division and backwardness will push them back to poverty.mideast 2.Peopel w/o kids can be happy
cillantro 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
Internet may be our friend, by being most free place in the world, place of free speech and diverse views, but don't you think internet also helps spread intelligence and ideas, to better cope with and ADAPT to higher pop worldwide?
High pop is still a huge benefit, to the billions who couldn't have lived, except that births were allowed and encouraged to become so naturally numerous.
Families don't have to be small to afford tutors. There's self-taught, internet schooling
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@pronatalist .the church defends individual dignity when it agrees with their concept of it,such as free procreation.But when someone wants the dignity to question the church or even god or question their stand on overpopulation,thats when things get ugly,like our friend the phillipines president here where he risks excommunication.In the past when the church had full authority over europe,the atrocities commited on people like gallileo gallie or giordano bruno for example.So much for decency eh
cillantro 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
I don't understand what the issue is, where the Filipino President risks excommunication. Is he trying to rob the wealth of the people, to push shoddy contraceptive usage, down their throats? If so, he ought to be kicked out. What in the world is a group like "Catholics for Free Choice?" What? Choice to have naturally large families? No, they mean abortion. So why do they pretend to be Catholic? How obvious can an oxymoron be? Why don't they disassociate from Catholicism?
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
You understand?, that people like me, are reluctant to call ourselves "Christians," for that term has too many negative connotations. Yes, we may be "Christian" in some contexts, in that we follow Christ, but we often prefer terms like believers or "the way" or
"people of faith" or Messianic, because we don't want to be associated with pagan practices such as Sunday-keeping, or pagan holidays.
So unlike pagans-for-abortion who try to infiltrate Catholicism with more lies
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@pronatalist Well those unborn billions who could have been born had our overpopulating ways continued everywhere on earth,those people would wish they had'nt eben born.No self respecting human being deserves to live in slum like conditions.Even the UK and some western countries despite their wealth cannot provide enough for all their citizens.This results in ghettos and in places like the phillipines with more stress on their land/infra,it leads to slums/shanties.Humans need space and resources
cillantro 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
What? Did you just say, that people who live in slums, have living conditions so poor, that they shouldn't be allowed to live? Well who are you, to decide who is worthy of life? Yes, I do say, let people in slums procreate naturally, and let their pops grow freely. The answer is to build better housing, not to blame people for accepting God's wondrous blessings of children. Far better to be born into overcrowded slums, than to not have lived at all, due to less procreation
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
I find it hugely embarrassing, to read on internet, of medical clinics with more contraceptives than they know what to do with, but having shortages of basic supplies like clean needles, not having well-baby-delivery-kits, and read of condoms being used to waterproof roofs, and being given to children to play with as balloons.
Who is doing these horrible evils? Trying to deceive people, and tell them that contraceptives are medical care, while other medical care lacks?
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
Is that why our taxes ever increase, our economy shrinks, our jobs vanish, because we are being forced to subsidize such evils? What of my religious freedom? What if I don't believe in worshiping the pagan magic condom?
So you admit there really is no "excess" pop, since we could always stack people up into highrises, if we need to? But all countries have this "capital" of which you speak. Capital comes from proper use of human labor. They have many potential workers.
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
How exactly are "emerging pop giants" Nigeria and Pakistan, "failed states?" I call them "emerging pop giants," because they both have pops that are very large, and rapid growth, which makes them perhaps soon-to-be, "heavy" contributors to rising world pop. Perhaps in the context, that I may find too much gov corruption to be attracted to move there. But the people are not all dead yet, so there still is hope, and they aren't completely "failed."
Backwardness = not NWO?
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
I'm a little confused here, what exactly are you saying? If S. Korea can stack "excess" pop into skyscrapers, then why exactly can't Nigeria and Pakistan? Because they must first be corrupted by NWO criminal elitists to get the construction loans from fraudulent "printed" paper fiat currency dishonest money?
Were naked Adam and Eve in the Garden, living in "poverty" too? Or are you trying to push on Western definitions of "poverty" upon people not into our materialism?
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
Do you blame only the Church, for so-called "overpop?" It's not just "religious" objections to use of any method of "birth control," but they say what populates the planet is so extremely pleasurable; - and then of course, many parents love their children so much, that they just seem to have a lot of children. Church defends individual rights and the dignity of each and every human life, and protects the right to freely procreate. Are you saying individual dignity is wrong?
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@pronatalist No I also blame illiteracy,poverty and "POOR GOVERNANCE" for overpop.BTW the stuff that makes populating the planet can be pleasurable(you know,like drinking without throwing up) without actually resulting in childbirth,learn from your enlightened scandinavian brethren.If parents love their kids,they would "NEVER" have more kids than they can provide for(good,maybe private education,comfort food,toys aplenty and most importantly spend hours upon hours each day with their children)..
cillantro 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
That people like me, consider to give up on "has been" America, and go move to the Middle East or somewhere, shows that not everybody wants to live in some huge landmass country where pop density is low. I'm quite fine with very high pop level, if a country is better run, and politicians aren't so corrupt.
Everybody in my little poll said God's commandment, Be fruitful and multiply, still applies today. Perhaps they don't want to be told how many children they may have?
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@pronatalist God's commandment? I will accept it as god's commandment when god tells it to me.Cheers,BTW what do you mean by false religion?Have'nt people been killing each other in the name of religion for the past 2000 yrs?Its funny how these same people call other peaceful religions as false.Abrahamic religions are run like corporations-more the clients and more the buyers,more labourers and richer doth elite become!You know like how one factory's workers buy the products of another and vc.
cillantro 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
God has already told it to as his commandment. Read Genesis 1: 28, 9: 1. Surely you aren't going to tell God, you didn't have access to a Bible?
Does it apply to people today? In an informal poll I conducted, all my friends and coworkers said it applies still. One guy even said something about pop being "huge," but yes, it still applies. Perhaps they are wise enough to see the protection from gov trying to tell them how many children they can have?
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
What do I mean by false religion? Religion that is false. Why does this require a complicated explanation? God clearly stated in his Word, what is true, and religion that differs from this, is in error or rebellion. One such example, is Sunday-worship, a tradition and imperialism of the Roman empire and Catholic Church, which is in clear violation of the 4th commandment, which defines Sabbath as the 7th day.
Why do you stuff me into huge stereotype of pagan false religion?
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
Trying to divorce copulation from reproduction, is defiling the sacred procreative purpose for which God designed sex. And we have rampant abortions, promiscuity, STDs, divorces, to show for it. Large families were long accepted as just the normal expected thing. Humans did well without "birth control" for some 6000 years, and now all of a sudden, we need shoddy contraceptives? What gives? Were our ancestors wrong to "let babies happen" or are we wrong today "overpop" lies?
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
Abrahamic religions are run like corporations? Did I ever say I agree with that? Where is the Bible, are we commanded to build big impressive Church buildings, and run entertainment circus shows, common referred to as a Church service?
Can you not notice, that I differ with perhaps most of the organized Americanized Church? What happened to Catholics and Protestants preaching against "family planning" at least until the 1930s? Why do we not honor Sabbath as in 4th command-
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
How is it you have so many opinions, against people enjoying their God-given freedom to enjoy having "all the children God gives," and yet you know so little of the disgusting history of how the shoddy contraceptive use came about?
Margaret Sanger, a witch lesbian who hung around radicals and communists, founder of American Birth Control League, later renamed Planned Parenthood to disassociate from Nazi eugenics (like that made any difference?) wrote for having "unlimited"
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
.. wrote for having "unlimited" sex without the "burdens" of "unwanted" children. Of course, back in that time, families were still commonly large, as society had not yet figured out how to make children seem to be an economic "burden," at least not to the common people.
Now what happens when married people still expect their entitlement to "unlimited" sex, but discover "religious" or practical objections to use of "birth control?" See why I defend naturally large families?
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
Do you really think I have any interest in having "never ending baby boom" to fill Catholic pews? I never said I was Catholic. I go to a Messianic fellowship. We don't like to call ourselves a "Church." I guess "Church" or "Christian" has too many negative connotations these days. We are very much into the "Jewishness" of the Bible and early Church, and into Sabbath (4th commandment Exodus 20) = Saturday, not Sun (false) god worship pagan Sun-day.
Other reasons for babies.
pronatalist 1 month ago
@pronatalist remember when the bible was written,the average age of a medieval arab(where the bible was written,jerusalem) or european was probably 25-30...today it is nearly 75 in poor countries like India/phillipines,even african ones and as high as 85+ in Japan and 88 in Macau.With such long lifespans on an average even in some of the poorest parts of the world,the bible written two thousand years ago isn't that relevant.We need lesser people coming into our planet.Quality wins over quantity!
cillantro 4 weeks ago
@cillantro
I asked some friends, and some question whether people really lived for shorter time in the past. Obviously, some lived to old age, even in the past.
But regardless, even if people are living longer, there is no need to ask nor expect people to "limit" their birthrate. Who wants to have children, to see some of them die? If more people are living longer, and few if any babies die, that's all the more reason to enjoy having large families, simply let pop size soar naturally
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
We need MORE people coming into our planet, not less. It's not just about having the minimal number needed to staff some evil socialist machine state, as if we were merely worth-little cogs in a giant system. If it was, then countries having "more than enough" people in some aspects, could be considered.
Nothing wrong with the natural unrestrained flow of human life, families growing to 8 or 10 or more children, letting India soar freely, naturally, into the many billions.
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
India is already stuck with 1.2 billion people. 300 million is long ago past. India can be a nice home for billions, if properly developed for billions. But gov is corrupt, requires too much paperwork to start a business, then they let paperwork sit and won't process it. Gov corruption + false religion, makes for poverty.
I am not Filipino, nor any other "third worlder," but rather I am exploring how to escape America, before our politicians collapse dollar under debt.
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@pronatalist Start a business?Only legit ones have the red tape.Go to any developing country and check out the sheer number of undocumented,street side start ups(shops),you would just love all that entreprenurial energy.In most places even the pavements built with roads taxes from fools like me and my family who continue to put up with this country are filled to the brim with these shops and their ""inventory"", only when a capitalist like me wants to do legit business does the suffering start!!
cillantro 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
I read somewhere, that many families may like an extra child or two (more). Problem is, the world has a billion families. I don't see that as a "problem" at all, for I do not believe in imposing pop "control" upon people, nor the unnatural "birth control." If a billion mothers would like to have an "extra" baby or two, I am confident the world can hold yet another few more billions of people, especially since it would take a little time, they won't all come "overnight."
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
I don't like the way that U.S. is being run, and I fear for our future. I also think our birthrate is too low, and might rather live where people love their children so much, as to allow for naturally high birthrate. It's not just that, but the culture and family may be stronger, healthier?
I agree very much with India having to let it's pop grow naturally "huge." Of course people should welcome their "precious darling" babies. They have right to enjoy freedom, huge pop.
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@pronatalist check out Does Having Children Make You Unhappy?By LISA BELKIN
If the US birth rate is low according to you,why don't you advocate for a more liberal immigration policy?That would bring all the "precious darling" babies the 'mericans could ever need.I have the right to get services for the tax I pay.But oh no,the poor are so numerous and the middle classes like me so afraid of poverty that me and my ilk have merely 1 or 2 kids reducing us to a trifle vote while poor are votebanks
cillantro 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
How do you come so close to arguing my points, and then just miss the point? According to some of what I read, growing "underground" economy may be the future? As govs become more corrupt, and taxes become unbearable, doesn't it simply stand to reason, that more people find ways to escape, by apparently having little "on paper?" That getting paid "under the table" may be the only way? Why do you think NWO wants to eliminate cash? Because NWO economy-fraud, already failing.
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
I prefer the legit business way, but if it won't work any longer in America, well except maybe for a few well-established giant corporations, then shouldn't I then look, at what countries are left, that are more friendly towards business and jobs? Where should I move to? I'd even move to where pop is very high, if the people are friendly, gov isn't in the way, and accommodation of rising pop is priority, and large families and path-to-Residency are welcomed.
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
How did you know, I tend to be a little "liberal" (or permissive or inviting) towards high levels of immigration? Problem is, many of my conservative peers, aren't so liberal on immigration. They see a flood of "illegals" as a political and economic threat, for DemocRATS are trying to rebuild their base and "stuff the ballot box" with easy illegals. Perhaps my peers raise a good point? And immigration isn't my calling, so much as pro-life and pronatalism,urging pops to grow
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
I actually agree with allowing immigrants to "overflow" their lands, and to spread to more countries, as ultimately, isn't human pop natural increase, a global issue, and not simply a community or regional issue? Perhaps it increasingly takes the entire planet to hold us all, so I disagree with crazed liberals who want to force high density to save wilderness from "encroachment" of rising human pops.
But, are many "technicalities" like assimilation, learn English, borders.
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@pronatalist Speaking about our 6000 years of existence,remember most human societies barring India,Mesapotomia,some parts of Asia were hunter gatherers for the most part well into the 1500s.Only now has the hunter gatherer way of living gone out of fashion.
Next deadly diseases like cholera,malaria etc have been almost wiped out.
Outbreaks like the black plague have also been done away with thanks to mdoern medicine(not Jesus).
Finally large scale wars are a thing of the past.Get it???
cillantro 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
But shouldn't we first try to encourage countries to take more responsibility for their own rising pops? I don't mean to impose "control" of human fertility, but rather, we could moderate flow of refugees somewhat, simply by respecting people better, and welcoming Chinese who want their "traditionally very large" families, to be free to have them IN CHINA. If human rights were more universally respected, might we see smaller crowds of refugees, even as pops naturally soar?
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@pronatalist The reason S.Korea and Japan want to have smaller families is so that they can have a grip over their destiny.Food security rings any bills?Or do you suggest that once overpopulation and prenatalism has lead to the total depletion of farmland(as it is already underway),we should include babies in our diet,albeit eating them with love?You can always blame the pagans for it,can't you?The Japs and other asian brothers did'nt want this.They want food security,not the austere meal of 50s
cillantro 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
Isn't it the rich, who ought to be having the largest families? Who better could afford so many children? But the rich have the most pathetic excuses against having children. Look up Psalm 107: 41 in the KJV. Why does God give so many children to the poor? I've often suspected, because the rich don't want them?
If the rich don't love their children enough to have many, then they deserve to be greatly outnumbered in votes or influence, by the poor? Stop rich being jealous.
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@pronatalist You don't get my point....the rich can have 100 kids if they want or none.It is a lifestyle choice for them,like H'wood actors who adopt one kid each from all the 160+ countries on the globe...the poor already live in the bottom of the pile,so its just another shanty for them...it is the middle class bourgeouis who face the heat from the overconsumption of the rich and the overbreeding of the poor...ironically this group has the least mobility and is the most productive in every ntn
cillantro 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
Now how are the rich going to have 100 children if they want? By adopting all the children of the poor, as if the poor deserve nothing, maybe not even to live?
Poor do not "overbreed." What kind of way is that to speak, of God-given children? Do the poor need your condescending attitude, about whether they should even count as people or not?
And no, if you think I am middle class, I am NOT responsible for "overconsumption."
Do poor not even have right to more shanties?
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
You seem awful quick, to assign the poor, middle class, rich, to their assigned NWO roles. You know I just don't like stuffy little stereotypes. I think of people as more the same than that. The poor aspire to become more rich, and the rich elites who stole wealth of nations, seem threatened by that, and yet, have more than they could possibly spend on anything useful.
NWO criminal elites, block infrastructure, to keep poor poor, so they can step on and murder the poor.
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
Isn't it possible, that many people in S.Korea and Japan, may still want naturally large families? Ah, but the land can't hold so many people? But it can!
Food security. You have some nerve. More mouths doesn't threaten food security. The real issue is greedy giant corporations like Monsanto, who act like they own the world, and harass farmers and accuse them of "saving seed." Forcing their GMO monopoly upon world. Such behavior is the real threat to global food security.
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
Well of course hunter-gatherer is out-of-date. Can that old quaint practice, feed 7 billion people? Maybe even farming seems a bit old fashioned. But practices of trapping poor farmers into buying chemicals and pesticides and what all?, is somewhat questionable with the bad economics of the world that bring up the question how farmers with too many expenses, can ever get out of debt and make a profit?
Most anything that can hold human pops "in check" fast fading away is all
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
Most anything that can keep human pops "in check" fast fading away, is all the more reason we should be growing. It's absurd to think that birthrates should be lowered to absurdly low levels as to match lower death rates. Who signed such a wicked deal with the devil? The people who brought us better conditions, like public sanitation that higher pop levels need, never asked we use "birth control." Many such improvements can before the "birth control" fad.
Let babies happen
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
You just don't get it. Who wants to have babies to see them die? You think parents have children, only for the reason as to keep pop from shrinking? That's absurd. To fill an "empty" world is but 1 of 100 great reasons to have children. Most reasons, have little to do with pop size, and continue, no matter how "huge" the pop may someday become.
Parents want to have children to see them live, to grow up and have still more children.
Logic says to let birthrates outpace death
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@pronatalist I don't agree,poor people have many kids to garner a source of income or take care of them in their old age.In uncontrolled rural and even urban parts,the poor for the most part live above the law in the very same shanties you are so much in awe of.They have many kids because this means there are more hands/feet to work on their farms and at the nearest factory to bring a bigger income to mom and dad.Not because they love kids.What sort of lala land are u living in?Life is tough son
cillantro 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
Oh, I'm quite sure that children aren't merely an "economic investment" to the poor. Of course they love their children. Most everybody loves their children, even when pregnancies were supposedly "unplanned." That's a common lie or distortion of the rampant "family planning" pushers, that "unplanned" pregnancies are presumed to be "unwanted." Often such babies are very much wanted by the time they are born. I'm sure parents grieve for the deaths of "unplanned" babies.
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
What do you mean, the poor live "above the law?" What? What are you talking about? Are they "criminals" just because gov won't allow the poor to obtain clear title to their "squatter" land?
I have long suspected that contributing factor to the "explosive" growth of shantytowns. Gov corruption. Denying the poor any claim to land anywhere. Why build a nice house, if it may be bulldozed any day? If land is gov-hoarded, then poor can't afford high housing costs as the rich can.
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
I don't see many stupid liberals running around, saying that people ought not to have so much sex? Why are they always trumpeting the magic condom, as if God either doesn't exist, or somehow goofed and made people "too fertile?"
They say, "You can't stop people from having sex." Oh really? So what happens when all those people discover practical or "religious" objections to use of any means of "birth control?"
Great reason I am eager proponent of naturally large families.
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@pronatalist You don't get it...there would be NO technological development if it were'nt for the limitations(both natural/carrying capacity of the land and artificial)...India or phillipines does'nt need to research and make machines for cleaning sewers or robotic arms to perform lights out manufacturing because the low cost of too many people would keep salaries low.This ultimately prevents humans from living like their species's namesake.Humans need jobs other than child bearing too u know!!!
cillantro 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
Is the only reason for technological advancement, just to put expensive workers out of business? So tell me, how many millions of people would it take, to do the calculations to render a 3-D video game? If we have enough cartoon drawers, could I get 30 frames a second on my TV screen? Of course not. More cheap workers, still can't do the job. Only computers can do some things in real time.
Saw on TV, making road gravel manually with hammer? No wonder India people are poor?
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@pronatalist I don't what you watch on bible TV or any of those propaganda channels like the BBC or Fox,but remember even in India,with the millions of miles of road being laid,making them with hammers sounds like your utopia where a trillion people can be employed for 1$/day.Reality is heavy machines from Japan such as those made by Komatsu are being laid enmasse to lay roads in-India thats right!India is poor because there are too many people.The world's second largest economy is what India is
cillantro 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
"Too many" people, compared to what? What is the standard against which you measure? What I see here, is typical liberal arrogance. Liberals act as if, they know more about what's good for people, than the actual people affected. Libs act to take away choice, responsibility, freedom, from everybody, because only libs know more than their parents, their religion, the people affected. Parents are the one populating their homes. Wouldn't they better know, if they can fit more?
pronatalist 2 weeks ago
@cillantro
You claim there is "too many" people, which is obviously wrong, because scripture clearly commands us Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. Fill the earth, is more a process than an end goal, so we are to continue multiplying as we await Jesus's return
You also claim that machines do too much of the work, an old argument, never proven, yet economic theory says that to increase wealth, productivity gains must be made, doing more with less work, so people can have more
pronatalist 2 weeks ago
@cillantro
The Bible is inspired by God. Yet you tell me to read PBS liberal propaganda?
How do you assume that economy can't even produce tin roofs for all these people? What? Your socialist communist economy centrally-planned? Are you admitting that what you promote, doesn't work? Is tin the only material from which a roof can be made? Aluminum is 8% of the earth's crust. Last I heard, aluminum was waterproof. Even wood shingles shed water. Even grass thatched roof shed water.
pronatalist 2 weeks ago
@cillantro
People use too many resources, you say? Which people? All people? On average? Compared to what? People in overcrowded shanties also use too much resources? So you want them to be even poorer?
I'm the one showing compassion here. I understand they love children, and why human pops go on growing. They say that of poor people, children are their only wealth. Children are old age security. Children even help bring in income to the family.
Fix economy, don't rob people of kids.
pronatalist 2 weeks ago
@cillantro
Children weren't seen an an economic "burden" a half century ago. As recently as the 1950s, people had children and didn't count the cost, according to a book I have about culture
World is awash, or should I say "overpop," with fiat paper currency dishonest money, backed by nothing now, but liar promises of corrupt politicians. Economy is stagnant, businesses afraid to expand in America, due to uncertain tax increases, runaway regulations. Fix, by firing corrupt politicians
pronatalist 2 weeks ago
@pronatalist Half a century ago,the fact book says that the earth's population was just 1.5 billion +,since then we have managed to ruin it by populating our earth to around 7 times that extent.BTW when I say such and such population is enough,what I am talking about is the carrying capacity.Hunter gatherers need a person/sqkm to survive.Farmers can sustain atleast 30 people/sqkm.That is why historically farming civilisations(europe) took over huntergatherers(australian aborigines for ex) and...
cillantro 2 weeks ago
@pronatalist ..modern farming methods have come a long way,what with food processing,tractors,Mills,high yielding varieties we can support much more people.150-200 people/sqkm sounds just right.Every country need atleast 100% or more of agricultural capacity to feed its people.Maybe more because we need to feed people licing in deserts,islands(where fresh water isn't available) and so forth.But with current population growth and disappearing farmlands,we would all starve.Only god can save us!lol
cillantro 2 weeks ago
@cillantro
It is liberals like yourself, who are robbing even the poor, for liberals insist we keep "printing" trillions, to insure that the gov bloat can continue, overpaying unproductive gov employees who reduce people's freedom, continue excessive numbers of people now working for gov and to expand gov. Trillions to bail out irresponsible bank-sters. Trillions to debase and ruin the value of people's hard-earned savings.Trillions to rob people of retirement funds. This pleases God?
pronatalist 2 weeks ago
@pronatalist I believe in a laissez faire economy...know what that is?Google is your best friend.My favourite economy historically is that of medieval Iceland,esp of the pre-christian era.Great place!Currently I feel S.Korea,Germany,Hong Kong,Singapore are cutting edge and the shit.Barring Germany all other three are low tax,low redtape jurisdictions.Japan's issue is not old age but government restrictions and a huge tax burden.ANyway it rocks,this is a cold economic analysis thats all.Cheers!!!
cillantro 2 weeks ago
@cillantro
So why not also laissez faire pop growth? If the pop grows larger, then let it. Apparently the people want higher pop, so as to have room for their families to grow naturally. Rather than fight against our reproductive rhythms, we ought to respect them, allow the body to get pregnant as often as it wants, and welcome "uncontrolled" childbirth, so that far more people can come to experience life.
In 1960, world pop was 3 billion. 1950, it was 2.5 billion. Pop is double+.
pronatalist 2 weeks ago
@cillantro
Pay attention to conspiracy theories, read the Bible, see what is really going on. Food is NOT limiting world pop expansion, but rather, New World Order criminal elites, have nearly destroyed fiat paper currencies and looted the people with their money "printing," or "quantitative easing," or whatever they like to call their "counterfeiting" now, people are waking up to their crimes, the stage is set for global power struggle, and some false flag and expect World War 3.
pronatalist 2 weeks ago
@cillantro
Do you know about red, yellow, green list? Even if you are on the green list, you are still marked to be murdered, for people who are no threat to the NWO, are "too many" people to gov. Without massive depop, how do you suppose those evil NWO criminal elitists, will continue to perpetrate their frauds in the age of internet and free flow of information?
When people say, "There's places all around to put more people," that implies people really want higher world density.
pronatalist 2 weeks ago
@cillantro
I should have spelled "gov" out. "too many" people to govern. But aren't people largely capable of governing themselves, under a gov and economy that is just and fair? So Big Brother gov can't be in 7 billion people's bedrooms? Then let world pop grow "unchecked," naturally, leave it up to God
Let people spread out sure, but also let world pop density rise and rise. If we put people into those places "all around" and we keep having children, that means, higher world density
pronatalist 2 weeks ago
@cillantro
No, I don't think we would all starve, no food production keeps improving, because farmers like to make profits, and 7 billion productive minds, can think of many, lots better ways of doing things. I think NWO knows food is no real "limit" on ultimate world pop size, that's why they are planning evil depop schemes, poisoning our skies with chem-trails, poisoning our water with sodium fluoride, tampering with our food, and plotting biological warfare on us.
NWO is the enemy!
pronatalist 2 weeks ago
@cillantro
You suggested a few places that already high pop density. Rather than coercing or deceiving parents into being robbed of their children and directly polluting their bodies with nasty unnatural Big Pharma contraceptive devices and drugs, there are far better alternatives. Like showing some respect and understanding for naturally large families, and exploring how to populate the world more densely, and comfortably and safely, so that there can be found place for everybody.
pronatalist 2 weeks ago
@cillantro
My thoughts on pros and cons of moving to there:
S.Korea - Big Christian movement, which is good, but too close to China, didn't do so well in Korean war, and I don't speak Korean. If I did speak Korean or know somebody there, and could get Residency, perhaps S.Korea could be a good place? The huge dense pop is okay.
Germany - I don't want to be Europe, and I don't like German language. Europe doesn't love their children, for they have hardly any children these days.
pronatalist 2 weeks ago
@cillantro
H. Kong is now controlled by China. Will China ever dare try to impose 1-child tyranny? China doesn't have enough freedom, and even if Hong Kong is exempt from China's economic freedom restrictions, but for how long?
Singapore is just too dense, and the pop too small. Singapore students excel in math and science. Singapore is very clean. But unless I was a better business person and had some business connections, I suspect that spacious housing may not be affordable for me?
pronatalist 2 weeks ago
@cillantro
Of course, if I already lived in one of the places you mentioned, I might be content to stay?
No, I think I'd like to move to Israel, if I can figure out how? Israel has lowered taxes, and I hear so much good about Israel. And I am already studying Hebrew, and their secondary language is English, which I speak well already. Even if Israel is somewhat dense, I'm sure I can have plenty of housing space, in the countryside, if housing is affordable? Israel has exciting economy
pronatalist 2 weeks ago
@cillantro
World pop is around 125 or 130 people per square mile, or 5 acres per person, not counting Antarctica. Since so many sensible people say, "There's places all around to put more people," then the obvious solution, is to simply do like that, and put more people into more places. By allowing people to live and procreate in closer proximity, on the global scale at least, we can keep having our precious darling babies, no matter how high overall pop might supposedly be getting.
pronatalist 2 weeks ago
@cillantro
Only God can save us from the evil NWO. We have lost control of our gov in U.S. due to stupidity, laziness, and falling away from faith. Career politicians have become the Satan worshipers, and have little or no respect for our Constitution anymore.
What do you have to say about "tax havens?" Are those places, also good places to live?
I heard in watching many YT videos about Israel, that it's much easier to start a business in Israel than America now. So why not move?
pronatalist 2 weeks ago
@cillantro
World pop has grown 7 times larger, since Thomas Malthus made his stupid gloom-and-doom predictions 2 centuries ago, that we should have all starved by now. How many times must "boy cry wolf," before you conclude, "maybe there just is no wolf?" (That's a reference to the children's fable, "The Boy Who Cried Wolf.") Enviro-wackos and pop phobics, have cried "Wolf!" for so long, that even if they had now a legitimate concern, why should they be believed or taken seriously?
pronatalist 2 weeks ago
@cillantro
I've heard of some village in China, feeding 500 people on 100 acres. That would be, 5 people per acre, or several thousand people per square mile.
Do some research and check your stats, for world pop has not grown as fast as you suggested, and it could be a lot denser than you seem to want to imagine possible.
Pop is too controversial for "laissez-faire," but rather, the right to procreate must be defended actively. So I actively urge naturally large families worldwide.
pronatalist 2 weeks ago
@pronatalist What do you have against tax havens?If large countries can offer the samelevel of protection for a man's sweat equity(his hard earned money),why would he/she keep their money in a a tax haven?Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? 'No!' says the man in Washington, 'It belongs to the poor.' 'No!' says the man in the Vatican, 'It belongs to God.' 'No!' says the man in Moscow, 'It belongs to everyone.' Instead you can choose something different/Choose a tax haven!LOL..hehehe!
cillantro 2 weeks ago
@cillantro
Why do you think I have anything against tax havens? The only potential problems I see with tax havens, is that they are not Israel, they tend to be tiny, and will they continue to exist if evil NWO has its way? I asked what you thought, in case you wanted to recommend a tax haven? Income and property taxes are immoral, and keep people from getting ahead. Moral taxes are modest sales tax, tariffs, and gasoline tax. However, vehicles that don't use gasoline should be allowed
pronatalist 2 weeks ago
@cillantro
Yes, a man is entitled to the fruit of his labor. But what is it for anyway? For squandering on fancy sportscars or a fast fishing boat? Why not for the generous provision of his large family?
If you want to begin to understand individual human rights and basic human dignity, you need to try to understand the legal issue of jurisdiction. Gov simply does not have any jurisdiction on family size nor pop size. Pop is what it is. Childbearing is determined by parents and God.
pronatalist 2 weeks ago
@cillantro
That tax havens are a lure, is ample evidence that so many countries in the world, are unjust.
What has happened people are so dumbed down these days? Gov monopoly education? Stuff they put in our water or skies? HAARP?
American Revolutionary War started over a tea tax, and attempted British confiscation of our gunpowder. India gained their independence from Britain, over a dispute about a salt tax? What? Can NWO suck away our money until nothing's left, and we don't care?
pronatalist 2 weeks ago
@cillantro
Why do libs so love Big Brother bloated, into-everybody's-business gov? Perhaps libs think, gov solves problems? But gov is self-serving, greedy politicians, who too often care more about getting re-elected, than what's good for their country or the people. Why can't gov obey its own laws?
Israel was scarcely affected by The Great Obama Depression. Why? Because gov actually, contrary to so much of history, got out of the way. Taxes have been lowered. More capitalistic now
pronatalist 2 weeks ago
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@pronatalist You just said "They say that of poor people, children are their only wealth. Children are old age security. Children even help bring in income to the family."That is the reason poor people love their kids so much.That sounds less like love and more like an old age insurance/pension to me.BTW please check Israel's fertility rate...one of the lowest on earth with only the koreans for company.Even Korea,Germany,Taiwan and Japan were unaffected FYI.ALl big govts,I support small 1s!
cillantro 2 weeks ago
@pronatalist India has a 350 billion $ foreign exchange reserve which is the largest after slave driving china and petro chemical Russia/Saudi arabia.Even the USA does'nt have such a large forex reserve FYI.There are far too many people in India and this keeps pop from reaching a good per capita level of say atleast 15-18k USD per year(like Taiwan or SOuth Korea for example).Besides f this growth rate continues Indian will remain poor forever.The phillipines with their christian bigots is doomed
cillantro 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
Not only must labor be organized by a functioning economy, to produce wealth, but the right tools must be used, to amplify the power of people to get the work done efficiently.
John Stossel said in India, a bunch of paperwork is required to start a business, then the government lets it pile up and refuses to process it. See, gov corruption makes people poor.
Due to high pop?, on The Jetsons, George J. works 3 hours a day, 3 days a week, = Full Time. I could live with that.
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@cillantro
And what is George Jetson's job like, what work does he do? He sits around pushing buttons all day, that is, when he isn't sleeping on the job. Presumably, he is a computer or robot programmer. But the robots really do all the work.
What did you mean, "too many" people prevents people from living like their kind's namesake? Humans are a kind, not a species. Bible says animals (and people apparently), reproduce AFTER THEIR KIND.
Unlike animals, most all people reproduce.
pronatalist 3 weeks ago
@pronatalist Please stop watching cartoons(atleast poor ones like the Jetsons) and read a book with facts in it like say Guns,Germs and Steel.The bible is fiction,read non-fiction.People have come from the natural stage and use way too many resources,which need space to recouperate.For this we need lesser people else your freewheeling ways will ensure that people cannot even buy the tin roofs required to build shanties such as those in haiti/africa or phillipines.....Keep discussing my friend!!
cillantro 3 weeks ago
@pronatalist Even China which has seen the benefit of a numerously humengous population of poor unskilled people(PRC's factory labour economy),used them to propel itself to today's state...yet even they hae the one child policy and an average age of 30 years.Speaks volumes does'nt it?South Korea(Greyyyyyy) is the only developed country to be in the next eleven.Dude you want to move from the US to the middle east?Plese do so.Only don't be under the illusion huge population=wealth/good future.NADA
cillantro 4 weeks ago
They look to pride to try and lift themselves from the sober mood. They go back to pleasantry addiction instead of facing the problem squarely and trying to solve it properly. They try to focus on the positive in order to escape the negative. They seek escape by cheering Venus Raj, using the "pwede na yan" mentality to accept the 4th runner up position. That only shows how weak in character the Filipino culture has made of its people.
PignoyPride 4 months ago
0:33 this is our future no matter what....
we r nothing special.we r just mere objects that move and think they r special
itachiitachi1946 4 months ago
There is a way for people to go on having their precious darling babies, in a world of so many people alive already. Simply let world pop rise naturally, growing denser and denser.
Why talk negatively of "overpopulation crisis," when more and more people would be glad to live?
The needs of the living, outweigh the need for space to bury the dead.
There can come to be more places with lots of people and fewer places far from people. Simple. Build more cities and suburbs. Let families grow big.
pronatalist 5 months ago
Why can't people in the Philippines see the full video? So unfair.
keiukikas 9 months ago
Cemetery is heaven. It's a place of peace forever.
rontubo 1 year ago
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dirty shit phillipino , how the fuck they live with corpses ????? asian niggers go to hell .
canadabuon 1 year ago
@canadabuon ask your self.
BeauMeJe 1 year ago