You Can't Bribe a perfect God

[786alps]

didn't god just died on the cross .. didn't god intend to die willingly . then why the Jews should be blamed. And since the Jews killed god they must be superior then him.. then we should worship Jews.

[jpepling]

Jesus intended to die on the cross and not one hates the Jews for it. Jesus let himself be killed on the cross. Infact if Jesus did not die on the cross everyone would go to hell.

[786alps]

great. lets not pray , lets not give charity ..lets not ask for forgiveness... lets do all the things that we wanted to do and guess what whatever we do we will be forgiven.. because the God killed himself for the sins of the human kind. that really makes sense. lets bring chaos to the earth ..it's ok..we will always be forgiven..just say the magic word " I believe in Jesus"..

[jpepling]

nope it does not work that way. You must repent and put your trust in the gospel. Which means to get to heaven you have to stop doing everything that breaks Gods laws and ask for forgiveness and believe that Jesus is God and died on the cross for your sins and you have to read the Bible and obey it. So you have to do every good thing that you see that you can do or you are sinning. James 4:17 So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it for him it is sin.

[XxXcrazygalXxX]

Your God is bribing you with Heaven

[jpepling]

Hey he can bribe me with heaven any time.

[khalifahklothing]

How does this make sense? If I commit a crime, I should go to jail, not my father, or my son. If you steal something from me, why should I be punished for it? And why should I pay for a sin which I didn't commit but my father Adam commit, and I'm not even paying for it, but an innocent man, Jesus is being killed for? Against his will aswell. (My God, Why have you forsaken me). Islam is the only belief that makes sense.

[khalifahklothing]

And true, we do not worship God just to get rid of sins. We worship Him because He is worthy of worship. Watch this: watch?v=0OKEef1_bV4

Paradise is not a reward for our good deeds, people enter paradise only by the Mercy of God.

[jpepling]

It is true that you can not get into heaven by your good deeds. You can not get to heaven by giving money to the poor or praying all day or by visiting a place. God is perfectly merciful and perfectly Just. Justice must be served. All liars will have their place in the lake of fire. You either must be perfect to enter heaven or you have to have your sins paid for. God hates sin he can not have it in his presence. Jesus can pay your fine if you accept that he died on the cross for you.

[jpepling]

God is worthy of our worship I agree.

[jpepling]

So are you saying that you have never sinned? You have never lied? You have never lusted after a woman which is adultry. You have never hated which is murder. If you lust after a woman 5 times a day and live to be 70 that is 124600 crimes against God. Every liar will have their place in the lake of fire. You are not going to go to hell for what someone else did. You deserve to go to hell for the sins that you have committed. Sin is breaking Gods law. God is perfectly just.

[khalifahklothing]

Did you watch that video? You say that we have inherited the original sin, and jesus had to die for us to be forgiven of that. and i said, And why should I pay for a sin which I didn't commit but my father Adam commit, and I'm not even paying for it, but an innocent man, Jesus is being killed for? Against his will aswell. (My God, Why have you forsaken me).

[jpepling]

People are not going to go to hell for Adams sin. People are going to go to hell for their own lies, theft, hate or murder, lust or adultry. Each of us deserves Hell. It does not matter what adam did or did not do. We all sin and deserve hell. Jesus knew he was going to die on the cross and he accepted that from the begining of time. Jesus is the Word of God. God spoke the world into existence with the word of God. Jesus was there from the beginning.

[khalifahklothing]

I have sinned, and God is merciful that he does not need a blood sacrifice of someone else to forgive me. He accepts the repentance of His worshiping slaves when they repent and turn to Him.

[jpepling]

God is perfectly Just. All liars will have their place in the lake of fire. If you believe that God will just forgive you then you think God is corrupt. God is not corrupt. The fine must be paid. God is perfect and can not be in the presence of sin.

[khalifahklothing]

wow, this is your God? a God who cannot forgive? this makes sense to you? and again, YOU have to pay for your sins. you commited them, you bear that burden. There was a girl, she lied to the police, went to trial, the judge said this is a serious offense, you have to spend 2 months in jail. she said, but i have accepted that Mr. X will go to jail for me. Then her lawyer told her to plead mental instabilaty.

[jpepling]

So you think that a man murders a girl and he prays for forgivness, a perfectly just God is just going to forgive him if he asks? If a man kills someone God should just forgive the person and let them into heaven as long as he asks God to forgive him???? So murders should go to heaven? liars should go to heaven? rapists should go to heaven?

[khalifahklothing]

Its Gods heaven, he lets in there whoever He wants, if he truly repents and God accepts his forgiveness then who the heck are you? Let me tell you whats greater than murder and rape and lying. MAKING GOD A MAN, ASCRIBING TO HIM A SON, WORSHIPING OTHER THAN HIM ALONE.

let me ask you. if I accept Jesus as my savior, will the "lake of fire" ever touch me?

[jpepling]

You will never touch the lake of fire if you accept that Jesus is fully God and fully man and that he died on the cross for your sins. Once in Hell you can not leave. One can not move from one to the other. God is perfectly Just. Justice must be paid. God can be perfectly merciful if the penalty for sin is paid. The only one that lived on earth and never sinned was Jesus. He is the only one that will ever accomplish it. If he did not pay for sins no one could ever go to heaven.

[khalifahklothing]

Amazing. So I can do whatever the heck I want, as long as I say "Jesus is my savior" ? THis is justice? If anything is bribing God its this. Youre planning against God.

Its also amazing that Jesus never spoke like this, and this whole belief is from Paul like most of your religion.

GOd is not a cruel judge, and He is free from what you have ascribed to Him. Fear Him.

[jpepling]

Jesus said that he was the the way the truth the light and he said that he was going to die for sins of the world. Jesus said he was God. You have to repent(turn away from your sins and accept JEsus as your lord and savior.) The Justice is paid by Jesus dieing on the cross. God is a perfect Judge. I do fear him because I know that all sins will be paid for. All wrong doing will be accounted for on Judgement day. All Muslims will have to pay for their own sins though. How are you?

[khalifahklothing]

Yea, that makes a lot of sense, just like the trinity. truth stands clear from false hood.

Whats the point of being judged if youre already forgiven just because you say "jesus died for me".? God will forgive whomever He wills, youre held accountable for your actions. If there are sins that were not forgiven, then one will spend some time in hell, and eventually enter paradise pure and reside therein eternally.

[khalifahklothing]

Hell is not eternal for those who did not commit "shirk" - attribute something to other than God, which only belongs to Him. Those who died in shirk, will never leave Hell.

Tell me, Jesus lived about 2000 years ago. ACcording to you, there were 4000 years of people before him. No one before him, said "Jesus died for me". Whats the deal with those people? Did God not love them enough to send someone to die for them? You have a messed up belief system. God can do anything, accept forgive?

[jpepling]

The people in the old testiment believed that God was going to provide a payment. like he did for Abraham when he was asked to sacrifice his son. The sacrifice was provied by God. The people in the old testiment had faith that the massiah was coming. Jesus died for those who had faith before he died.

[khalifahklothing]

And do you know how many were those compared to the whole earth?

[khalifahklothing]

and they didnt believe in "Jesus", and that he was gonna be crucified and in this belief they will be saved. They believed in a messiah, and they actually rejected Jesus because he was crucified.

[jpepling]

No the Jews crucified him. Jesus was crucified by the Jews because he said he was God. The Jews crucified Jesus because he told them he was the Massiah.

[khalifahklothing]

Ask the jews of today why they don't believe in Jesus. one of the reasons they say is because he was crucified.

[jpepling]

He was crucified for their sins and since they did not believe the gentils were invited to the wedding party instead since the Jews did not want to come to the party. That is a parable Jesus told.

[jpepling]

Matthew 7:13 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.

[jpepling]

Matthew 7:14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

[jpepling]

Jesus tells us that once you are in hell there is no way to get to heaven. Luke 19:26And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'

[jpepling]

So shrik is Not loving Allah the most. That is the First and second commandment put together. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make yourself a carved image ....You shall not bow down to them or serve them for I the Lord your God am a jealous God. I believe everyone has broken these two commandments. So everyone dies in shirk.

[jpepling]

Luke 18:22

When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." The point Jesus is making here is that this man has made a God of Money. would you sell all your things and follow God? If not you are commiting Shirk right?

[jpepling]

The point is that few have accepted Jesus payment. You have to believe and become a christian before you die. once in Hell there is no way to heaven.

[khalifahklothing]

Remember what you just said if you ever find yourself in there. Youre the same person that's saying God is Just and Merciful, right?

[jpepling]

you have to accept Jesus as your Lord and savior be fore you die. To accept his death as payment you have to turn away from your sins and try to never do them again. You have to have saving faith. You have believe enough that you change your life due to what you read in the Bible

[jpepling]

I thought islam says that you have to go to hell for every sin that is against another person if you do not get them to forgive you. so you will have to pay for your own sins by going to hell.

[khalifahklothing]

Hell isnt the only place to pay for sins. Doing good deeds removes sin, being patient during trials, the grave, etc.

[jpepling]

no good deed can get rid of sin. Isaiah 64:6

All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; Even the Quran says so. Surah 10:54

[khalifahklothing]

quoting from a book i dont believe in makes no sense. and that verse is talking about the day of judgement, once you die, its too late.

[WingedPaladinLight]

Thank you for your testimony of God and the universal laws of Justice and Mercy. Indeed, Jesus Christ descended from the Highest Heaven to redeem us and it is through His sacrifice of love for us and our complete willingness to change and live the ways of Heaven that we can escape Hell and return to the encompassing and exhilarating joy and happiness of God.

[chronicdays]

You seen too many 'Way of the Master' shows

[jpepling]

thank you

[chronicdays]

Don't tell me what to do jpepling !

[FriedChikkin]

Jesus(pbuh) and ALL-MIGHTY, ALL-MIGHTY, ALL-MIGHTY, OMNISCIENT IN KNOWLEDGE AND SUPREMANCY GOD.... not interchangeable, no matter HOW it's spun. Jesus may be a god as he is apparently worshiped as he never asked a single soul to worship the messenger as they should [worship] He Who sent the messenger... Matt 19:17 Jesus knew his purpose as God's creation.

[jpepling]

Matt 5:18 For assuredely, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away , one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. When Jesus died on the Cross he said it is done. Jesus is confirming the truth of the Bible and the old testiment.

[FriedChikkin]

'til heaven and earth pass away HAS to be a reference to the end of times... I don't see how that can be misconstrued to mean what you say it means... one might as well not use the bible at all because we can all read into it however many gods we wish... oh but the multitude will still be one... but not one, but one... but... not? Paul was no God-chosen prophet, especially if his work was to allow christian to crap on Jesus' life work...

[jpepling]

I have to say I am pretty confused. Matt 5:18 is talking about the law and that not one letter of the law will be taken away. it does not have to do with end times. It is saying that the law is unchanging.

[FriedChikkin]

'til Heaven and Earth pass... what timeframe is this? Before the Day of Judgment I imagine... I've borne no witness to That Day as of yet so I can only imagine Jesus'(pbuh) upholding of The Law is still in effect. When one asked Jesus(pbuh) "Good master, what shall I do that I might have eternal life?" "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but One--He Who sent me. What sayest The Commandments?"

[FriedChikkin]

Jesus(pbuh) told someone to follow The Commandments--as Jesus assuredly did—that he might live (enter Paradise). When he states he is the way and the ever lasting light, it can't be taken to have been a cop out statement. He never said "Relax, don't worry about what I say or do, just know that I'll be sacrificed for you so you can just accept that and be on your merry way and not have to worry about judgment day—I got your back against God..." Not that humble servant of God.

[jpepling]

No Jesus wants you to repent and put your faith in him. Christianity is about repentance and faith. Without repentance ( turning away from your sins you do not get the mercy or payment for your sins.

[jpepling]

Matthew 7:21

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. (This means following his commandments)

[jpepling]

When John the baptist saw Jesus he said" Behold the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world." John 1:29 Jesus Died on Passover. He was the perfect lamb that was promised by God to cleanse our sins. It is the perfect attonment that only God can make.

[FriedChikkin]

Nope, sorry, now I believe you're massaging the bible to believe whatever you want. Especially with Matt 5:18 which must be a reference for the end of days and the coming of The Day of Judgment... maybe you have yet another version of the bible, which begets more sects, which begets more falsehood...

[jpepling]

Jesus Died on the Cross for my sins so a Christian Does not thing but repent and put his trust in Jesus for paying the fine of sinning for him. So the law is dead since the fine for breaking the law was paid by God when he became Jesus and died on the cross for our sins. That is why Christians have a gaurrentte of Heaven. God paid the fine for us. Anyone can become a Christian.

[jpepling]

Matthew 5:18 is saying that nothing will be taken from the law until Jesus Dies on the cross then all of the ceremonial requiremtns of the law where fullfulled in Jesus and are not to be observed. Co 2:16-17.

[FriedChikkin]

The bible doesn't even seem to agree with itself as a work for what Jesus(pbuh) upholds in The Law that shall in no wise change "TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS" (Matt 5:18) Paul breaks completely (before the passing of Heaven and Earth) in his letter to the Romans 7:1-6. He becomes then what Jesus describes in Matt 5:19... if Paul makes it to heaven at all.

[jpepling]

In Romans 7:1-6 It talks about the spouse dieing and the wife no longer being held to the bond of marrage so to when we are born again we die to ourselves and are free of sin. Jesus fullfilled the law by not sinning and paying for our sins so we could go free. So for a Christian the law does not have ethernal consequences now.

[jpepling]

This does not mean that we can go and sin. It means that we are born again and hate sin and struggle against it since we now love Jesus and all he has done for us. A person that is born again loves the law and wants to obey it.

[jpepling]

Romans 7:1-6 is saying that once you die you are no longer under the law. If your husband or wife dies then you can remarry and it is not a sin.  So is true when you become a Christian. You die to yourself. The holy spirit enters you and you become a new person. You are no longer under the law since JEsus died on the cross for all your sins and the penalty is paid. You are now rightious in Gods sight due to the death of his son.

[FriedChikkin]

Sounds like a cop out. Numbers 23:19 God is NOT man nor is He son of man... Jesus(pbuh) constantly refers to himself as "son of man" In Jesus Gospel according to Matthew 5:17-19 he states UNTIL HEAVEN AND EARTH pass The Law is to remain intact not "...until Paul comes to crap on my reason for being here..."

[FriedChikkin]

Hosea 13:4 God ALONE is Lord and Savior, and Jesus isn't Him. Mark 11:11-13 Jesus shows he's not God (Who is the ONLY Lord and Savior) by example; Hunger, lack of knowledge of "his" creation in the presence or season of "his" figs. I hope no one minds I used the KJV since there doesn't seem to be an "Original Bible" available anywhere...

[jpepling]

Jesus , God and the Holy spirit are all the same person. For there is no savior besides me is talking about no other Gods. The passage that it is in is talking about Ephriam worshing Baal and other idols of silver. So he is saying do not worship any but The one true God who is Jesus, God and the Holy spirit. They are all one. Jesus was there in the begining.

[islamsamurai]

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[FRANCIQUE101]

4.SANCTIFICATION - This is the teaching of seperation from worldly habits and carnal desires. Only born again believers should be taught sanctification JOHN 17:17

[FRANCIQUE101]

3. JUSTIFICATION - Justification is freedom from guilt and confidence to approach God. Justification is the result of true repentance....no more sorrow, ,no more guilt, no more conviction and no more condemnation.

[FRANCIQUE101]

2. REPENTANCE - Repentance is an act as well as an inward decision. It is the decision to accept the righteous judgement of God, a sorrow for sinning against God, and a turning away from sin 2 CORINTHIANS 7:10

[FRANCIQUE101]

True...salvation is not of works, and we can't work our way into Heaven.

1. CONVICTION - Guilt for sin, when a person does not repent, they remain under condemnation and have to live with the guilt of sin.

[FRANCIQUE101]

Jesus, is the provision that God has made to atone for our sins. God demonstrates his mercy and love by allowing Jesus, to pay the penalty for our sins. When we accept Jesus, in true repentance we recieve forgiveness and justification, which is to say peace with God and freedom from guilt Romans 5:1