~ Underworld Perma Chamber Sin Guide ~

[Sahken]

this doesnt work nomore right?

[InsanitysApothecary]

Man.. Wish I was playing this game when Shadow Form wasn't nerfed. Looks so much more fun..

[JoeyFenderGuitarist]

Sorry, dude. That build is crap now. Another nerf.

[Reapahh911]

Do you still farm uw? So yes, could you PLEASE teach me pits?

[shera524]

hey i got a question for 2 skills do you need radation field to kill them and where do you get ether nightmare? if you see this please respond i need to know thanks

[andahunter]

@shera524 guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_­Page

[veryunlucky]

how long do chamber runs take on avg?

[420187420]

I like ur guild...BUT, You're suppose to kill the Dryders first so the Vale Support can talk restore.

[Zobaal]

if u need guide u can find me in tomb i do 4 min runs there u can come with me and i show u to how to do

[Zobaal]

u can use viper deff from getting out of body block

[420187420]

VD does not work against Vengeful's

[ThEdReAmsCaPs]

waht the name of the first song

[tom1161]

the only bit i have trouble with is at the start i sumtimes aggro aatxes and get people killed any tips for avoinding that, like when u should run to get quest

[undeadmaster19]

i just take DC in my build just so i can dc to them so they dont come down n get da rest of da team dead..but it is all up to yu how yu do it

[matthew64012]

Wait until the aataxes split and go to either side, once they are as far to the left and right as they go its safe to get the quest. Also I've found that using deaths charge is the most effective way to avoid drawing aggro down. Just run up take the quest, hit the hotkey to target nearest enemy and death charge. Everything will withdraw to you once youve done this.

[TheManchesterkid]

nice wrk there

[vengefulacolyte1]

Watch my Chambers tutorial and learn how to do Chambers with a Necromancer :D

[Donjack09]

thanks mats

[thefallenmonk]

I have a question can you use a staff like Kepkhet's Refuge instead of those mods because you get +15e and it isn't an inscription so you don't get -1e

IGN Fallen Goes Ninja

[BartJanCrum]

a staff has a +10 e from itsself you can add a +5e inscrip and a +5e staff head than u can add a 20% enchant wrapping so u got a +20e staff and a +20% enchant mod

thats the ideal perma staff

[persainai]

i like your display picture, can you show me how to do this in game sometime? IGN Me Gusta Beer Lol, i was in a guild with a tag [beer] thats where it came from i couldnt think of a name

[thefallenmonk]

the thing i hate is scrubs fuck up this run so much so u have to join some shit YaRR guild to get a core team to know what they are doing

if you ever wanna farm i can run anything pm me IGN FAllen The deadly

[IbarrageI99]

Can you tell me what order you cast the skillz? And what bonus you used in the beginning? And how much energy you have? And the runes on your armor?

Please Reply

Thx

(Lots of "And")

[comsado]

ok...

thanks alot guys

[comsado]

I have a question.

After you have killed the last of the soul keepers, do u just go back to where u spawned?

Or do you go back to the Lab?

Because in some other chamber guides i have seen that you go back to the Lab, and wait for chest to spawn?

just wondering what you do.

Thanks,

Please reply.

[DaBunnyKiss]

After all are keepers are dead you can farm waiting for other to finish their quest, to get the chest. Although the vale team may need your help, go in the vale transfert chamber (the one with the first keeper) and aggro ALL the mobs close to a wall, far away from the opposite path and wait for the necro to take the spirit to vale while you tank.

[sandy10560]

yes, you go back to the lab and wait for the chest. Chances are youll be one of the first ones done, so you get to dance for a few minutes b4 the chest spawns

[rockindawson]

Ya, just go where the chest spawns. Which is is where you get your 2 chamber quests.

[pringle222222]

you shouldnt show that build to starters, they will get stuck for sure,

you shouldnt need Spirit of Failure.

[TrinnX]

I don't need spirit, there are just no better alternatives. Don't need more speed as I am always faster than most of the group, so empathy isn't viable, and poison from vipers is just pointless, radiation does the job just fine. I mostly take spirit for some afterfarming, groups of aatxes where channeling isn't sufficient.

[iBj0rN]

@TrinnX This is now nerfed, Vincey, put [NERFED] in the title or something :p

[dookiewarrior]

i also disagree, for starters you SHOULD bring spirit of failure, and replace echo for deaths charge

[smallstuff404james]

oh sry dont mind that last comment i see it now XD my bad XD

[smallstuff404james]

whats the build for it? cuase i look at bunch of vids that show u how to do it but none show what the build u use is XD

[panditbadit]

Awsome song man Keane rocks!

[PenSpinningBios]

awesome video

[chaoS789]

Nice video, nice song. I have a question is it possible to do it without a group?

[wowforfan]

You can try solo chamber part but you need atleast the essence of celerity. Its not worth it tho :)

[comiskeyboy69]

Hey buddy, can you do me a favor and fully explain how you can recharge SF so freakin' fast? Looks like you're only using Deadly Paradox...

[lyndzpearce]

The consumable Essence of Celerity boosts your recharge time on all skill, spells etc and also allows you to cast faster :D, but he also has the video speeded up hehe.

[OppaKnobi]

Can this be done after the sf nerf too it would be nice never did this before excause my grammar and other mistakes^^

[TrinnX]

Well it wasn't really a nerf, they only hade it harder. And yes, it's absolutely possible.

[KKMM00]

what is this song?

[c2cSquared]

just be good, learn AI movement :)

[Dusk3030]

I despise you for getting that Eblade.

[AlexDangerz]

Whats ur HP And Energy and U doing that HM??

[AlexDangerz]

Nice Video Thx

[Kuksoman]

gz on eternal blade mate

[couchtater7]

where does it show that?

[we1rdoww]

thx for the guide, now i can do every perma there is :P

[rdk6]

are any of the mes skills title track spells?

[BloodClotsBlack]

Ether Nightmare is Luxon or Kurzick and Cry of Pain is Sunspear. Also Radiation Field is Asuran title track, although not a mesmer skill.

[T1Cybernetic]

Good run & good video ;@) thanks for showing...

[raywomen]

heheheh nice vid but my question is unrelated to the video........wots the title of the first song?? ^^

[TrinnX]

Argh read the Extra Info on the right! All info is there ^^

[andelus222]

m8 its in the describ at the bottom

Keane - Spiralling

[madpoo123]

o and also for any1 else u can add me as a friend on GW! XD names daja voodoo XD

[madpoo123]

yeah how do u do that? i use echo deadly paradox and shadow form and shadow form still runs out =( help? XD

[themikesterno1]

in underworld speed clear groups, you use a conset, which adds +1 to your attributes, gives you more armor and reduces the recharge of your skills, including shadow form

[ProjectHaxx]

how do u keep up shadow form with only paradox?

[kizensilverwofl22122]

Its one of the cons you have to have or someone has to have that like doubles the time of enchantments.

[TrinnX]

Essence of Celerity gives a 20% reduction on recharge of all skills.

[abanditbird]

hey, great vid. im starting to perma as an A/E, i just wanna kno where this place is, where i get to it from, etc. if u feel comfortable pming me ingame, message me and i'll give u my user.

[ArthurBX0609]

ok I found the underworld but I still dont understand how to use the build (im a nub at farming) like what to use first second etc

[xiaxhou]

lol watch the vid...

deadly paradox -> SF + consets

that's all you really need...the rest is common sense

[galofigus]

nice vid i chamber alot and u posted this video on my bday XD

[ArthurBX0609]

and if u could give me ur ingame name that would be helpfull so I can ask quetions

[ArthurBX0609]

where is the underworld? and how does the build work?

[Randomism99]

is this post or pre perma nerf im not good at keeping track of time

[TrinnX]

Perma is not nerfed, only for non-assassins. This is before the SF-balance but all works fine still.

[Randomism99]

thanks

[zachzakfeld]

can somone help me on this? what all do u have to do for a chmaber sin jsut kill the ones in the chamber and then how many groups of the dryder things?

Im confused

[tuganecro]

can u give ur ingame nickname so we can talk i have a couple of questions...

[Tottizh18]

Easier is change arcane echo for vipers defence.. its a increased degen to:)

[TrinnX]

I have -10 degen almost constantly, so poison is useless. Ether nightmare gives -7 and disease -4. Also, if you teleport with Vipers you will end up with bad aggro or aggro more stuff. I have used this setup for 100 runs and it's the best there is =]

[killerfasthuh]

i agree with you, except bodyblock situations, which it is very helpful, i know pros can do it but stuff happens so it is helpful, and cry over more aggro, you are perma anyway...

[galofigus]

yea but if u get bodyblocked with this build ur screwed, u have to degen half the mob to get an exit and then wait for them to regen to pull

[TrinnX]

I don't get bodyblocked cause I know what to do, but there are plenty of bad perma's out there that like to hug walls ^^

[Kroodor]

Hmm, is this after the SF nerf? If so, I might make a new sin main! :D

[TrinnX]

This was shot in October, but it still works pretty much the same, you only have to recast SF more.

[mitymouse247]

what are the tree green things on ur bar at the bottem and

[wideblackwings]

they are cons

[guildwars2974]

Awesome video love it!!!! can u give me ur name to contact u???

( please respond)

[TrinnX]

Click on my name, my IGN is found on my Youtube page ^^

[guildwars2974]

k ty so much

[ninjasofgriffindor]

it looks like ur rich judging by ur chaos gloves. do u ALWAYS do chamber? is chamber better than the other areas? and ur photobucket pictures, were those drops from doing chamber? how many ectos do u manage per run? how often does an eternal blade drop? plz answer all of these XD thx

[dmilne798]

lmao chaos gloves dont make some1 rich

[ninjasofgriffindor]

yeah, i don't have even near that amount of ectos.

[sonic1142]

The most profitable areas in order :

WASTES

POOLS

PLANES

PITS

[TrinnX]

That's not true, wastes isn't that great. Pools is the best if you come back later to kill some more stuff. I remember clearing Pools with Obsidian Flesh, got me 5 ecto average ^^

[ninjasofgriffindor]

is wastes hard?

[TrinnX]

I have done all areas, I just like chamber the most =]

Pics are drops yes, usually 1 ecto per run average but I've gotten 6 too.

[nubowns]

I've been told that Pits is the easiest, do you think you could make more guides??

[sonic1142]

chaos gloves takes like 2 days of farming lol....and their only like 350k...

[ninjasofgriffindor]

wow, why don't u give me 350k then?

[mattehouse91]

and where you farm? Just UWSC? lol

[ste4test]

2 days my ass

[ArsenalX12]

oMG ur my idol! whats ur ign? I have some questions

[RealPeeps1029019372]

ur whole group wuz r9 lulz

[magicoverdrive]

dont post videos that are good qq.

when you aggro chamber, aggro the dyrders early on, so they settle by the time you finish aggroing.

then...run down the center, then back against the wall, so you kill dyrders at the same time.

[TrinnX]

That saves you like 5 seconds, and you have plenty of time anyway. I always aggro them early on so gg on that ^^

And what do you mean with dont post videos that are good qq?

[BaschOria]

can a Me/A run the build?

thas couse my sin is bullshit

[TrinnX]

Not any more, unless you use cons and candy till you have 16 Shadow Arts.

[BaschOria]

oh ok

ty btw

[TehNoobinShow]

You only need 15 shadow arts to a/me perma with star of celerity, you only need 14 shadow arts to a/e perma.

[aze254]

so to keep SF up you just use paradox and SF, is that becuz of the cons?

does it still work cuz they shortend SF again or didnt they?

tnx for posting and gz on the et blade :)

[TrinnX]

Yeah, SF is shortened but they shortened recharge too: this is energy heavier but you have plenty anyway.

[theunagiroll]

Great video, thanks for posting good tutorial.

[passiderdumme85]

it didnt work anymore , i´m right??

[TrinnX]

Still works fine ^^

[passiderdumme85]

no how do you get 62 energie

awesome vid

[TrinnX]

Grail of Might gives +10, and I use Attunement and Radiant insignias and runes and a 20 energy staff.

[hellboysRS]

=) your a real pro =)

[passiderdumme85]

how do you get so many energie ???

[TrinnX]

Channeling and Spirit of Failure

[andy602]

could you pls make a PvP sin then put the exact equip on it an ping the code so i can put on my PvP sin an check were my equips wrong, thanks

[fredrikn93]

How much money u gain in 1 run??

[TrinnX]

Usually you make between 5k - 10k, but you can earn more than a million too.

[Jojodererste]

Nerved again... sometimes i hate ANET

[TrinnX]

Well I can still run with Assassin, no problem =]

[ninjasofgriffindor]

why don't u cast shadow form first and then deadly paradox?

[TrinnX]

Because if Paradox is not active when you cast SF it will not reduce the recharge time.

[dcheng30]

when are u suppose to take the unwanted quest?

[TrinnX]

When Vale team is out of the chamber area, else the necro will get some aatxes spawned on his ass.

[Lillis146]

What weapon do u use??

[Lillis146]

So at the beggining are u supposte to pull them at the stares like u did to your team?

[TrinnX]

Yeah it speeds things up, with SS

[Jojodererste]

I know this build is just supposed to clean the chamber and do the first 2 quests but, is it possible to kill Smite Crawler with this build?

[TrinnX]

Smite Crawlers have Smite Hex, go figure =p

[AnIMaDrako]

nice video nice ty whats is the 5 skill?

[rebazp]

whats the name of the 2 songs in this vid?

[TrinnX]

Read the info to the right, the names are listed there.

[fUnAndrew93]

What are you doing when you become bodyblock?? i take attack of death and not Radiation Field??

[TrinnX]

If you get blocked by vengeful Aatxes (which are invulnerable) you can only suicide. There's nothing you can do about that, not even Vipers Defense works then.

[LegendaryProducts]

what about lava font? i got killed by it but u dont seem to have trouble with it...

[TrinnX]

From dryders? They don't cast Lava Font until they have at least 2 people standing adjacent to them. Just tell your team not to stand next to any Dryder when you are killing them.

[andy602]

Great video mate

Any chance you could ping both templates :P

[TrinnX]

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Can't ping armor template, it's PvE so.

[apiska]

how much ene you have?

[TrinnX]

62 energy

[apiska]

btw what is your sin's ign

[TrinnX]

Look at the screenshots in the "more info" section, it shows my IGN :p

[supanukes94]

what are your asuran, luxon, and sunspear ranks?

[TrinnX]

I am close to r7 Luxon, Asuran r6 and Sunspear r6. I could get higher ranks but it doesn't really matter. Soon i'll work a bit on Sunspear though. Asuran is pointless anyway, disease is always 4 degen so ^^

[supanukes94]

can u do with r3-4 luxon?

[MichaelStokoe]

Yes, just isn't as fast, personally, I don't even use Ether Nightmare.

I use Viper's Defense, if you read the descrip, body blocks are fatal and because I constantly have an orange light, I take Vipers, just to escape from body blocks.

[supanukes94]

what are your ranks?

[Papuracer]

can u tell me wat runes armor and skill template is thx >:D

[TrinnX]

I suggest you click more info next to my video, it tells you what runes, skills etc. and it's obvious you need radiant because health won't help a lot if you are invincible ;)

You can take any armor you want too.

[minhtyfresh13]

hey does the casting order repeat itself? if so what is it so i can try it on my sin

[TrinnX]

There is no real order, I prefer doing Radiation Field first because it's quicker than Ether Nightmare and the disease kicks in after 5 seconds. Other than that, do Ether Nightmare on recharge and look whether it is still up before you cast any fast-recharging Cry of Pain. When mobs get less, start using spirit of failure.

[minhtyfresh13]

hey ru in a guild that offers practice for uw sc builds? cuz i really need it for my sin

[ste4test]

Think i could come on one fo your runs sometime?

[ste4test]

This song is great and vidio.

Wish i could do this with my Perma.

[TrinnX]

There are more videos on that stuff on youtube. I wont make one because I don't feel like I have enough experience in other areas. I can do all, I played Ele alot in UW SC but I prefer assassin and I can provide more info on this build.

[Lodgeinator]

can you say how you can stop the scatter of the monsters what you are compleating the first part or clearing the chamber :D

[TrinnX]

It is explained in the vid, your eles bodyblock them.

Also, you can block them at other stairs its narrower sop better, but I prefer here because it helps the vale team.

[TrinnX]

Got my first Eternal Blade yesterday ^^

[TrinnX]

Yeah, SC is speed clear, kinda the same as ultra speed eh. The speed depends on the retardness of the team though.

[syosha]

so it doesn't really matter if you have a high ss rank for cry of pain to work? and the guide said not to use cop, why does it say that? also, what about asuran rank?

[TrinnX]

No, Anet changed the skills so they would also be effective at lower ranks. They did this to soften the ursan nerf.

[cymberjan]

can you tell me what minimum rank in asura,sunspear you need to have to run this build?

[TrinnX]

Not too much, even Asura rank 2 is good enough. Sunspear rank 6+ is better, but you can get 1k sunspear easily. It won't let you kill that much faster, only a little, but it's worth working on if you plan to do alot of runs.

[thegodofthegods2]

how many quests do u accept from reaper? 1 or 2?

[TrinnX]

two, restoring grenth's monuments and unwanted guests. read the notes i put in video :)

[thegodofthegods2]

music?

[TrinnX]

Update - Thursday, November 6, 2008

Essence of Celerity when used now gives a 20% faster movement, recharge, and attack speed instead of 25%.

I will investigate the effects of this on SC

[thegodofthegods2]

the nerf is jsut an obstacle. terras counter them using glyph of swiftness or candy corn. or the simply go a/e instead. chamber sin and vale are jsut as be4

[shadow16810]

what staff are you specificly using?

[TrinnX]

An Insightful Onyx Staff of Enchanting

* +5 Energy Staffhead

* +5 Energy Inscription (Hale and Hearty)

* +20% Enchant Wrapping

[abanditbird]

try a Ferverborn Staff mayhaps, gives +15 energy, +5 energy if hp above 50%m and 20% to enchants, i love it personally.

[TrinnX]

Same stats as the staff I use now, although I'm gonna swap the Onyx Staff for an Astral Staff I found recently.

[thegodofthegods2]

may you plz tell me attributes m8?

jsut got the skills needed

[TrinnX]

I posted em some comments down.. 12 + 3 + 1 Shadow Arts and 12 Inspiration Magic