Macedonian Protest for Human Rights in Greece - Toronto (1)

[trisnna9801]

Another smart move by a young country. Protest against Greece, the country that is your #1 investor and #2 trading partner. What's next? Putting your d*cks in a moving fan?

[OnyxLyrica]

@trisnna9801

Actually, that hasn't been the case since 1994.

On the other hand, I don't think ANY country would care about investment or trade if their national identity is put on the chopping board by said "investors" or "traders".

[trisnna9801]

@OnyxLyrica Your lack of knowledge will always put you in a disadvantage....The truth is this, Greece's objection to your new state's use of what Greece considered a Hellenic name and symbols is understandable to anyone with half a brain. Despite this, Greece still lifted its trade blockade in "1995", and the two countries agreed to normalize relations, although continued disagreement over the use of "Macedonia" in the name. Greece is now the largest investor in the FYROM.

[OnyxLyrica]

@trisnna9801

Are you saying that 167 countries in the world, and their respective people involved with leadership/administration are all, missing half a brain? I hope you people have the balls to state this in front of the EU and all those who recognized our constitutional name.

Can you show me something that confirms Greece is #1 trade partner with my country?

[trisnna9801]

@OnyxLyrica It has been comfortably accepted by many people in other countries, who have no direct connection with FYROM, are not well informed about the facts, have no interest in examining the complicated history of this area, and find it easier to say Macedonia and Macedonian...without considering what they mean by these words. These same countries wouldn't care if you named yourselves the Republic of Willy Wonka. But none support your hijacking of Ancient Greek & Modern Bulgarian history.

[Patriotism1000]

Isocrates

Ancient Greek Writer

To Philip



[1] "The feeling of being peoples of nonkindred race existed on both side" referring to Isocrates' statement. Earnst Badian

[Patriotism1000]

[2] Isocrates’ letter to Philip II where he, Isocrates refers to Philip "as one who has been blessed with untrammeled freedom to consider Hellas your fatherland" Green calls this a "rhetorical hyperbole". "Indeed, taken as a whole the Address to Philip must have caused its recipient considerable sardonic amusement". [p. 49] "Its ethnic conceit was only equaled by its naivety" [p.49] Peter Green

[Patriotism1000]

[3] "And though Philip did not give a fig for Panhellenism as an idea, he at once saw how it could be turned into highly effective camouflage (a notion which his son subsequently took over ready-made). Isocrates had, unwittingly, supplied him with the propaganda-line he needed. From now on he merely had to clothe his Macedonian ambitions in a suitable Panhellenic dress." [p.50] Peter Green

[Patriotism1000]

[4] "This was the Panhellenic crusade preached by Isocrates, and as such the king’s propaganda section continued - for the time being - to present it. No one, so far as we know, was tactless enough to ask the obvious question: if this was a Panhellenic crusade, where were the Greek troops? [p. 157] Green

[Patriotism1000]

[5] "Isocrates never for an instant thought of a politically unified state under Philip's leadership. It is simply the internal unification of Hellas which he calls on Philip to bring about." [p.37] [Macedonia specifically excluded from Greece] Wilken

[Patriotism1000]

Note: Macedonians were not Hellene, and Macedonia was never a member of the Hellenic League, a league that encompassed and "united" all the Greek city-states. Isocrates expanded the term Hellene to include, no racial descent, but mode of thought, and those who partook of Attic culture, rather than those who had a common descent were called Hellene. He saw the true Hellene only in the Greek educated in the Attic model. He did not regard the barbarians of Attic education as Hellenes.

[Patriotism1000]

[6] "When Philip read the book, the insistence of his descent from Heracles must have been welcome to him; for in his policy he had to stress this mythical derivation, as the types of Heracles on his coins show. But on the other hand he must have smiled at the naivete shown by Isocrates." [p.36] Wilken

[Patriotism1000]

7] Isocrates must have taken this strong realist for an idealist, such as he was himself, if he believed that Philip would draw his sword for the beaux yeux of the Greeks." [p.36] Wilken

[Patriotism1000]

[8] "When Isocrates in this treatise makes so much of Heracles as Philip's ancestor, this was meant not merely for Philip, but for the Greek public as well." [p.35] Wilken

[Patriotism1000]

[9] "At the end of his speech, Isocrates, summarizing the programme which he was proposing to Philip, advised him to be a benefector to the Greeks, a king to the Macedonians, and to the barbarians not a master, but a chief." [p.106] PIERRE JOUGUET Alexander the Great and the Hellenistic World



[Atromitos888]

Arrest them for fraud!

[2005defender]

The delegation said that the Slavic Macedonians were however not prevented from speaking their oral idiom or from stating that they were part of a certain group. The fact that the Greek State had not officially recognised them did not mean that this community was not fully enjoying its rights and that its members were not fully respected by the Greek State.

UN

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[OnyxLyrica]

@2005defender

Yes, well there are youtube videos showing otherwise.

[2005defender]

@OnyxLyrica

They having their own party and participating at the Elections, On 2009 in Macedonia Periphery they tailed 2500 votes among 1,600.000 registered voters

[ANTONIS1986LOK]

human rights for the 2800 voters of Rainbow in Greek Macedonia

hahahahahahha losers

[spiliosp]

hahahaha Dimitriou!!

even those with greek names are breanwashed in this TITO state

Comunist Tito country vs Greek republic, 1990, just when Soviet union fall..

What do you think, in which part is more possible having been brainwashed?

[powerMCgirl]

Yoo thats rirght in macedonia lives 1000 000 people heyyyyy man

[neoellinas]

"Macedonians" have all of those rights in Greece that they claim are denied them, including their very own political party.

Also...*very* biased reporting in these two news reports. You'd think they'd have comments from both sides...but nope.

[bg02261989]

macedonia is greece

[OnyxLyrica]

@bg02261989

Why do they officially call themselves Greece then? FAIL.

[bg02261989]

@OnyxLyrica that's because REAL Macedonians are GREEKS your slavobulgarian nation don't even know who are they. Double fail to your fake country

[OnyxLyrica]

@bg02261989

You say I don't know who I am, yet you are the one who claims Greeks are in fact the Ancient Macedonians. You can't be "hellas" and ancient macedonians as well. Pick an identity at least, then we can debate. Talk about irony ....

[bg02261989]

@OnyxLyrica at least Hellens know who are they, It's obvious, No one can't change history. It's your nation based on Tito's propaganda has to find who they are and your fake country is not reconize by the entire international community.

[2005defender]

@OnyxLyrica

Hellas in antiquity consisted by Athenaians, Spartans, Macedonians, Thebeans,Thessalians etc

Take a look of the city states participated on Ancient Olympics and you will understand who had Greek identity in Ancient History, easy as that

[xxxPANAYISxxx]

This has nothing to do with human rights. Its a dispute of identity.

[georgeosgr]

ZOYNE ANAMESA MAS

[LokoMn]

AJ NAPRAVETE USTE EDNI VAKVI PROTESTI VO TORONTO,nie ja kamenuvavme grckata ambasada vo skopje pred 2 dena.poz