Really, so you see the Hung Gar in the Okinawan Karate. Would love to know where you train. Glad to see that Kung Fu stylist recognize the "chineseness" of Okinawan karate.
Does anyone here have an idea why when I watch great old masters do their kata, that their stances "suck"? Don't get me wrong, I get the personalization and the fact that you should end up doing it the exact way you were first taught, but MASTER SHIMABUKU'S SEISAN STANCE DOESN'T HAVE FORWARD FEET! I don't understand! Anyone? Please help...
@Bazilinthewoods That is the single most intelligent and helpful response to that question that I have EVER received. Thank You. (Seriously, no sarcasm)
@Sasuake1000 I study Shorin Ryu under Tatsuos' younger brother Eizo Shimabukuro. Now I am not sure if when Shimabukuro Sensei created the Isshin Ryu style he changed more then the fist placement in the punches. Now I may be misunderstanding you when you say "forward feet"..but do u mean the toes pointing inward like in Sanchin? If this is the case we do not do that either in Seisan..we stay in a basic stance like Zenkustu-dachi. I may have been no help..but let me know and maybe i can elaborate
@mkalel At my school our idea of "forward" feet is more turned in. If you were to draw a triangle outline of your foot, we go off the center of your foot to define it pointing "forward",but it appears as though Shimabuku is going off of the inside of his foot to define his feet as facing forward.My sensei also says its good to make it a happen to face too far inward than to far out, so it may just be something that changed along the lines of Shimabuku,Harold Long,and Michael Caldwell(my teacher)
@Sasuake1000The stances never really stay the same. Karate (in whichever form) adapts, adjusts and modifies itself back and forth all the time. I've been taught many ways of doing things and if I ever had to change something, it's because it's different and not specifically 'wrong'. It's just a matter of emphasis. Do you put the emphasis on the power of the punch, on where your balance/weight is, whether or not you cross distance, or stay solid. They're choice in stances/Karate. Not always wrong
chinto, chinto, chinto, i am very fond of this kata.
my school is karate international of raleigh (nc).
my sensei is rob olevsky (9th sanshinkai). his sensei is O'Sensei jan wellendorf. i am a deputy black belt. i do love this kata. master tatsuo shimabuku is very inspiring to me. we have a very slightly different take on the kata, i am happy to see there are other fans of chinto.
Dang. He didn't care for jack about stance back then. No disrespect. I'm just saying that it's interesting. It also looks like he's blocking with the bone instead of the top of the forearm.
I don't think it's an age thing. My teacher is about as old as he was in this video and his stances are a lot more distinctive. I see a lot of really old kata videos and see the same kind of thing. I think it's a generational kind of thing. I'll have to do more research into it to find out why there's more emphasis on footwork nowadays.
probably cause these older masters like Master's Shimabuku and Hohan Soken were more fluid. Seems more are getting in that military mindset like the Japanese (mainland). Of course you learn the correct stance/technique then let it flow together. There's some old Hohan Soken clips on YouTube (at least were) were he just flows. I believe (imo) it has a lot to do when judge doing kata competition. Styles have a factor too.
miguelmstewie you again man! what has so deeply wounded you that you devote your time trolling Isshin Ryu videos and talk smack and talk fake history about this style? did a orange belt Isshin Ryu student kick your ass or what?
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Shimabuku was warned by the Okinawan Masters not to teach the true Kihon and katas to the American Marines, therefore he made changes to heed their demands. Because of these changes he lost many of his top students and even his brother parted ways with him over this. The Okinawan Masters eventually revoked their blessings of his style. It's a shame because Shimabuku trained with some true Masters.
Really? I never heard that.. 4 years of history lessons and karate classes yet not a word of that.. I love learning about the history of Isshan Ryu jarate.. but I'm only a purple belt
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However,there is no documented evidence or record that Shimabuku ever trained under any of the great masters. None of the great masters ever claimed him or mentioned him as a student, which seems strange because according to him he was a top student!!! It does make one wonder about his credentials and if he ever had any true formal training. Based on his ability in kata it is doubtful.
Isshin-Ryu, I'm under Sensai Guytun who trained under "Stoney" Sensei Burks, who trained under Shimabuku. (In case ya know anybody, sometimes the curiculum for the tests varies from sensei to sensei.)
I was sensei Burkes Karate-ka in 86-88 in N. Carolina. He told me his sensei was Angi Uezu who was Master Shimabuku's son-in-law. Been trying to contact Stoney for a long time he would remember me. He knew me as Brown along with his only other student Holman. Master Uezu handed me my green belt @ a tournament the 3 of us attended in 1987. REPLY please.
Ah, rock on. Sorry I don't have Stoney's contact info, however I could point you towards someone who might. Check out Gundyisme channel. Shoot him an email and let him know who you are. See if he could hook you up. (He's a long-time student of Stoney's from S.C.)
Unfortunatly I really can't. I don't have any of his info and I don't speak with him regularly. However, "Gundyisme," should be able to help you. Just type in Gundyisme in to the "search" box and it'll take you to several vids of Ishinryu karatikas. Click on the "Gundyisme" channel and when your on his page shoot him a letter and tell him who you are. He'd be your best bet right now. That's about the best I can do.
Wansu - Opening - person grabs wrist counter grab putting him on knee,b - fist to temple, punch to st. 5-6 or gb.20. Parry , shuto uppercut to intercostal nerves in rib area, punch to solar plexus area-xiphoid process. Hands retract to hips suggesting grabbing opponent and pulling into kick or strike. Stepping off to symbolize "not being there".
Excellant Master Shimabuku. Isshinsense on youtube.
I'm not too familiar with martial arts history but I know a great martial artist when I see one. I'm glad to witness one of the greats in his younger years. Just from looking at him I can tell that he is putting a ridiculous amount of force in every strike.
Well, not dissing Master Shimabuku because he truly was a great man, but the camera's back then were pretty...Bad, lol. Now they could keep up with them, but none the less Tatsuo Shimabuku was a great man who should be honored throughout history.
Notice before he does the " x - Block " he steps back, he is being grabbed by the attacker so he steps back into a cat stance to pull him off balance - it is a grapple - strike move.
This is one of my favorite katas. Its flow is surreal. I hope that when i finally get to learn it, i can do it justice.
barisaxwannabething 1 year ago
Im a master at this Kata....I know all the other Katas but not as good as Chinto
UnitedWeStand4EVR 1 year ago
Where did this video come from? Is there more? When and where was it filmed? Can I get it on dvd?
stevebintn 1 year ago
Cool, now I have it memorized.
umasbob 1 year ago
again, Shimabuku rocked!
cmskokoro 1 year ago
half of you ..have no clue what your talking about =)
but thanks for posting!!
kool to see how Okinawa modified the Hung Gar Quan.
Jumoklord 1 year ago
@Jumoklord
Really, so you see the Hung Gar in the Okinawan Karate. Would love to know where you train. Glad to see that Kung Fu stylist recognize the "chineseness" of Okinawan karate.
ronin752 2 months ago
Does anyone here have an idea why when I watch great old masters do their kata, that their stances "suck"? Don't get me wrong, I get the personalization and the fact that you should end up doing it the exact way you were first taught, but MASTER SHIMABUKU'S SEISAN STANCE DOESN'T HAVE FORWARD FEET! I don't understand! Anyone? Please help...
Sasuake1000 1 year ago
@Sasuake1000 im not sure what ur question is?
that is a proper stance.
Jumoklord 1 year ago
@Sasuake1000 Shimabuku was old, half blind and did not want to ever be recorded so If he sluffs off the kata please excuse him for being an elder.
Bazilinthewoods 1 year ago
@Bazilinthewoods That is the single most intelligent and helpful response to that question that I have EVER received. Thank You. (Seriously, no sarcasm)
Sasuake1000 1 year ago
@Sasuake1000 I study Shorin Ryu under Tatsuos' younger brother Eizo Shimabukuro. Now I am not sure if when Shimabukuro Sensei created the Isshin Ryu style he changed more then the fist placement in the punches. Now I may be misunderstanding you when you say "forward feet"..but do u mean the toes pointing inward like in Sanchin? If this is the case we do not do that either in Seisan..we stay in a basic stance like Zenkustu-dachi. I may have been no help..but let me know and maybe i can elaborate
mkalel 1 year ago
@mkalel At my school our idea of "forward" feet is more turned in. If you were to draw a triangle outline of your foot, we go off the center of your foot to define it pointing "forward",but it appears as though Shimabuku is going off of the inside of his foot to define his feet as facing forward.My sensei also says its good to make it a happen to face too far inward than to far out, so it may just be something that changed along the lines of Shimabuku,Harold Long,and Michael Caldwell(my teacher)
ThePresidentFreeman 1 year ago
@Sasuake1000The stances never really stay the same. Karate (in whichever form) adapts, adjusts and modifies itself back and forth all the time. I've been taught many ways of doing things and if I ever had to change something, it's because it's different and not specifically 'wrong'. It's just a matter of emphasis. Do you put the emphasis on the power of the punch, on where your balance/weight is, whether or not you cross distance, or stay solid. They're choice in stances/Karate. Not always wrong
STPtje 4 months ago
chinto, chinto, chinto, i am very fond of this kata.
my school is karate international of raleigh (nc).
my sensei is rob olevsky (9th sanshinkai). his sensei is O'Sensei jan wellendorf. i am a deputy black belt. i do love this kata. master tatsuo shimabuku is very inspiring to me. we have a very slightly different take on the kata, i am happy to see there are other fans of chinto.
we should start a "chinto channel". -mark turik
markturik223 2 years ago
i love O'Sensei Wellendorf. he is an amazing teacher, as well as an amazing martial artist. and KI is a great school, of course. =]
kakilia 2 years ago
Dang. He didn't care for jack about stance back then. No disrespect. I'm just saying that it's interesting. It also looks like he's blocking with the bone instead of the top of the forearm.
uuumdm 2 years ago
Well u cant blame him hes old, but over all, chinto is so cool, i like kusan ku too!!!
Ravenblazer 2 years ago
I don't think it's an age thing. My teacher is about as old as he was in this video and his stances are a lot more distinctive. I see a lot of really old kata videos and see the same kind of thing. I think it's a generational kind of thing. I'll have to do more research into it to find out why there's more emphasis on footwork nowadays.
uuumdm 2 years ago
probably cause these older masters like Master's Shimabuku and Hohan Soken were more fluid. Seems more are getting in that military mindset like the Japanese (mainland). Of course you learn the correct stance/technique then let it flow together. There's some old Hohan Soken clips on YouTube (at least were) were he just flows. I believe (imo) it has a lot to do when judge doing kata competition. Styles have a factor too.
OkinawaShorinryu 2 years ago
every ones different, i dont really care if hes good or not, i just watch him remind myself of the moves. i cant argue about my favorite sport.
Ravenblazer 2 years ago
ionly know about half this kata right now, and its probably my favorite thus far. Im a San Kyu
whess329 2 years ago
this kata looks pretty long. nai hanchi is really short.
Ravenblazer 2 years ago
miguelmstewie you again man! what has so deeply wounded you that you devote your time trolling Isshin Ryu videos and talk smack and talk fake history about this style? did a orange belt Isshin Ryu student kick your ass or what?
786myfist 2 years ago
I think that this is my favorite Kata. I'm at the part 27 seconds in. I'm a purple belt.
ChivesTheTomato 2 years ago
his kicks are crazy good
yieldingbamboo 2 years ago
in our style chinto differs a noticeable amount from this one.
SriLankarules21 2 years ago
I did not study under Grandmaster Tatsuo Shimabuku, but I like going to watch him at times. He was awesome.
OkinawaShorinryu 2 years ago
omg i thought master shimabuku was dead!!! wtf who goes to the east montgomery katate academy in PA?
shrekwashere 2 years ago
He is dead. What are you talking about?
Pressurecorpus14 2 years ago
I did my black belt test about a year and got the crap kicked outta me lol after 9 years of studying Isshinryu
MCJROTCInman 2 years ago
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Shimabuku was warned by the Okinawan Masters not to teach the true Kihon and katas to the American Marines, therefore he made changes to heed their demands. Because of these changes he lost many of his top students and even his brother parted ways with him over this. The Okinawan Masters eventually revoked their blessings of his style. It's a shame because Shimabuku trained with some true Masters.
miguelmstewie 2 years ago
Really? I never heard that.. 4 years of history lessons and karate classes yet not a word of that.. I love learning about the history of Isshan Ryu jarate.. but I'm only a purple belt
annerkins 2 years ago
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However,there is no documented evidence or record that Shimabuku ever trained under any of the great masters. None of the great masters ever claimed him or mentioned him as a student, which seems strange because according to him he was a top student!!! It does make one wonder about his credentials and if he ever had any true formal training. Based on his ability in kata it is doubtful.
miguelmstewie 2 years ago
Just getting this down for my brown belt test, I'm bout halfway through...lot harder than it looks. Lol. Can't wait to learn the bunkai.
demboys18 3 years ago
What style are you taking?
stephcab 2 years ago
Isshin-Ryu, I'm under Sensai Guytun who trained under "Stoney" Sensei Burks, who trained under Shimabuku. (In case ya know anybody, sometimes the curiculum for the tests varies from sensei to sensei.)
demboys18 2 years ago
I was sensei Burkes Karate-ka in 86-88 in N. Carolina. He told me his sensei was Angi Uezu who was Master Shimabuku's son-in-law. Been trying to contact Stoney for a long time he would remember me. He knew me as Brown along with his only other student Holman. Master Uezu handed me my green belt @ a tournament the 3 of us attended in 1987. REPLY please.
recon0431 2 years ago
Ah, rock on. Sorry I don't have Stoney's contact info, however I could point you towards someone who might. Check out Gundyisme channel. Shoot him an email and let him know who you are. See if he could hook you up. (He's a long-time student of Stoney's from S.C.)
demboys18 2 years ago
Could you be a little more specific as to how to contact Sensei Guytun please. Thank You>
recon0431 2 years ago
Unfortunatly I really can't. I don't have any of his info and I don't speak with him regularly. However, "Gundyisme," should be able to help you. Just type in Gundyisme in to the "search" box and it'll take you to several vids of Ishinryu karatikas. Click on the "Gundyisme" channel and when your on his page shoot him a letter and tell him who you are. He'd be your best bet right now. That's about the best I can do.
demboys18 2 years ago
Wansu - Opening - person grabs wrist counter grab putting him on knee,b - fist to temple, punch to st. 5-6 or gb.20. Parry , shuto uppercut to intercostal nerves in rib area, punch to solar plexus area-xiphoid process. Hands retract to hips suggesting grabbing opponent and pulling into kick or strike. Stepping off to symbolize "not being there".
Excellant Master Shimabuku. Isshinsense on youtube.
chrischerc 3 years ago
The amazing thing is, is that he was incredibly sick when he did these katas. Imagine him at his prime.
demboys18 3 years ago
I'm not too familiar with martial arts history but I know a great martial artist when I see one. I'm glad to witness one of the greats in his younger years. Just from looking at him I can tell that he is putting a ridiculous amount of force in every strike.
modernmarvel 3 years ago
Well, not dissing Master Shimabuku because he truly was a great man, but the camera's back then were pretty...Bad, lol. Now they could keep up with them, but none the less Tatsuo Shimabuku was a great man who should be honored throughout history.
mmsmofo258 3 years ago
Look at the Master's kicks the camera cant fallow them. truly awsome. everyone who ever met him respected him,Osu
Sochinsensei 4 years ago
Damn, this an awesome kata. I've gotta ask sensei when I can do this one.
brittlebullet87 4 years ago
Thank you. This is great. Respects.
24Socrates 4 years ago
Nice video. Thanks.
ShinpoKobudo1 4 years ago
Notice before he does the " x - Block " he steps back, he is being grabbed by the attacker so he steps back into a cat stance to pull him off balance - it is a grapple - strike move.
chrischerc 4 years ago
Thank you for this!
RKisHere 4 years ago