Have you ever actually read the Bible? Just asking. I wish people would actually take sometime and just read it. Not because somebody told them that they must read it. or because they feel if they don't read it they will die in their sins. But just to read it. 90% of people who read the Bible, read it looking for fault. I can Guarantee you if you read it with a honest mind, you will understand many things. I can put my own life on that. Praise Christ Jesus for everything.
People blame so much on God but they fail to see their own faults in everything. But the lord of this world knows God more then anyone else in this world. And he hates you and me with a "PASSION." His true goal and passion is to make sure we both die in our sins and follow him to everlasting damnation. Think I am lying? lol you are proof of his work even if you don't see it yet. For even better proof look up (aleister crowley).
"People blame so much on God but they fail to see their own faults in everything"
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People who lack belief in gods do not blame them for anything.
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"But the lord of this world knows God more then anyone else in this world."
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Who is the lord of this world, and how does he/she/it know something that cannot be demonstrated to exist outside of a concept of the head? Knowledge is demonstrable.
"people who lack belief in gods do not blame them for anything"
In the severe case that a person does not believe in any gods or God, true. but even those who say they do not believe in God or gods literally blame God for their misfortunes. Notice i said God or gods and ended with just God. That is because even those who believe in gods usually blame God for their misfortunes. Unless of course over the years they have completely fallen away from God.
"but even those who say they do not believe in God or gods literally blame God for their misfortunes."
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Then they don't lack belief in gods. Logic, it works.
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"Notice i said God or gods and ended with just God. That is because even those who believe in gods usually blame God for their misfortunes. Unless of course over the years they have completely fallen away from God."
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I notice that nothing in these 3 sentences have relevance..
The lord of this world is none other then the devil himself.
"out side of the concept of the head?" If my mind can't comprehend the fullness of God, how can it be a concept of my mind? I can't even begin to fully grasp His being. I alone would have to live for billions of years just to begin to slightly imagine a God like I know off. It is only because His truth speaks to me that i begin to understand who He is. But ooo how wonderful is His purpose. If only you knew.
@esnigg "" If my mind can't comprehend the fullness of God, how can it be a concept of my mind?" _ Then you wouldn't be capable of talking about a god as you couldn't even imagine one to exist. Fortunately, you keep mentioning this god and it's wants/dislikes/actions/attributes/etc. Therefore you are comprehending the god. REF: "Gods Will will be done" "There is only one true God." "God that created everything " "God that thundered from mount sani" "God that Died on the Cross" etc.
I could indeed because i see His work, I know His work, and I even know His presence. But to comprehend His Fullness? (To know everything about him?), that is impossible. I say this because i don't even know my own self in that complete sense. If i can't even understand the fullness of myself, how can i understand the fullness of my creator? People try to use science as their facts but don't even understand what their talking about. Even science can't fully explain what you are.
No, you see the work of leprechauns and you cannot deny it. Why can't you deny it? Because you said yourself: "my mind can't comprehend the fullness of God"...meaning you couldn't comprehend any work he's done to be justified in believing it was a god more than it was leprechauns. Logic, it works.
"Do you have any facts that we can verify your claims with?"
even if you say we evolved from apes lol, do apes not have a mother and father as well? If you had only a father and no mother, or a mother and no father, then we might be able to talk more about single celled living organism. but since you have both please tell me how thats possible. Now once we can agree pass this then i can show you even more facts. again I feel it would better to email kensziii@gmail com
@esnigg "even if you say we evolved from apes lol..." _ Nothing about the word "atheist" can lead you to expect that I accept any science. ____ "but since you have both please tell me how thats possible" _ What is possible? You have said absolutely nothing so far. ____ "Now once we can agree pass this then i can show you even more facts" _ You might want to start with 1, then move onto trying to "show" more...
"What was your justification to believe a god existed that you could search for? "
Before experiencing God, I felt the need to search for something greater. Back then I wasn't sure what for because I didn't know anything about God. I tried to make a purpose for myself, but every time i thought i had something, it just ended up in boredom. if you really want to know my justification, email me kensziii@gmail com. everybody is welcome to email me.
"Before experiencing God, I felt the need to search for something greater"
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So you had a concept in your head(a feeling) and that lead you to search for "something greater".
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"Back then I wasn't sure what for because I didn't know anything about God"
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You still don't know god, you only know of claims about god and the imagination you have for a god. that is, until you can demonstrate a god that fits those claims and the concept you have in your head.
Just an example for those who don't get it. If i knew there was no God, then i wouldn't have a purpose. This would mean i can create my own purpose. By this idea, God help my soul and forgive me for i am evil, because I would make hitler look like childs play. Thank God for His love and kindness that He lead me away from that darkness. Amen
@esnigg Dumbest argument ever. If you knew there was no God, then you would be free to make your own purpose, rather than GUESSING at what your version of your particular incarnation of God thinks your purpose might be. Many millions embraced god and then did evil, what does that say about God's purpose? You reference Hitler, he was quite the devout protestant you know... And he certainly had a purpose. So by your logic the holocaust was God's will?
Just know this, evil or not Gods Will will be done. One who claims to be off God but acts evil is not off God. Because by mans own fruit can you understand which side he stands. I can guarantee you that hitler was not off God. If he was off God then why would he try to be God? Doesn't that remind you of the devil himself? But wait you don't believe in evil or the devil correct? lol so to you, hitler was just trying to accomplish his own purpose. By your logic hitler was good. lol
"That's your shortcoming. I have many purposes to life. Many real and worthwhile purposes. No gods needed. "
What purpose can you actually have in your life that make it worth while? Living to the fullest? What is living to the fullest? You get married and have kids and grow old and die? or get married have kids and get a divorce and grow old bouncing from house to house and die? or become the richest man in the world and grow old and die? which one is worth while?
"What purpose can you actually have in your life that make it worth while?"
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Friends, family, passions, etc.
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"which one is worth while?"
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Whichever one you put worth into. You put worth into your subjective purposes, I put worth into my subjective purposes. Difference: all the things I see worth in are from real demonstrable things.
So how do you determine the worth you put into it? Friends, family, passions? what value do they hold if they are just going die and become nothing? yes even passions die lol. You can create memory but what good is that memory once you are nothing? It lives on? for how long before it is completely forgotten and dies? even if you became the first man to fly without machines, your memory would one day just fade into nothingness. So what then?
So how do you determine the worth you put into it? Friends, family, passions? what value do they hold if they are just going die and become nothing? yes even passions die lol. You can create memory but what good is that memory once you are nothing? It lives on? for how long before it is completely forgotten and dies? even if you became the first man to fly without machines, your memory would one day just fade into nothingness. So what then?
LOl instead of arguing with you about purpose, let me just respond with this. I value my Family in God. I value my friends too because they are part of my family in God. if you knew about God like I do then you would become part of my friends and family in God. anybody else can't be part of my family or friends because our destination are completely different. I value my friends and family because they complete me and will never let me go astray. We are all lead by God Himself.
" let me just respond with this. I value my Family in God."
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I value my friends and family in reality.
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"if you knew about God like I do..."
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Then I would be capable of demonstrating knowledge of a god, rather than continuing to just assert to know god over and over with dishonesty, esnigg...
Why don't you try doing some real research. Your entire being depends on it. Go out there in the world and really LOOK. Not only will you see purely Gods hands at work, but you might actually experience His presence as well. Don't you understand that without God, dishonesty, love, evil, good, family, and friends have no meaning what so ever. It would purely be survival of the fittest. Without God even cannibalism would be common. And it is, among the Godless.
Okay. Demonstrate a god outside of your mind so I can investigate properly, then I can.
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"Go out there in the world and really LOOK."
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Alright, done. Can you demonstrate a god outside of a concept of your mind and context of language so I can be certain of what to look for? Because claiming things are evidence of gods without demonstrating gods is not very honest.
How would you go about demonstrating God? I can show you some of His works, I can tell you how to truly find and understand Him, but to demonstrate the God of all Gods is beyond me. I am just one part of many. The truth is hard to understand and only Gods wisdom can reveal it to you. If you want a real demonstration, come to Him and He will. But trust me when I say this, you better hope that His demonstration is kind towards you.
@esnigg "How would you go about demonstrating God?" _ That's not for me o figure out. I'm not trying to convince me that a god exists, you are. ____ " I can show you some of His works..." _ And I can claim they are the works of space leprechauns and have the exact same merit in the claim as you do for your god. ____ "The truth is hard to understand ..." _ Truth is not difficult, it's demonstrable.
I have many proofs that God exists. One of the best is your own existence. But if you have another proof for your existence without God, please point me to it so i can see for myself. Let me say this, If you can prove honestly your own existence without God, If you really go and find real proof that explains your existence without God, then please feel sorry for me, laugh at me, call me ignorant, I will gladly accept it. I will challenge anyone on this.
@esnigg You can't prove our existence with god. And have you heard of the big bang theory and evolution? They explain how we came to be, there isn't any proof that we exist anyway, we could all be in a computer like the matrix (I doubt it though lol).
Your the one that made the accusation that god exists so you have to provide the evidence.
I truly can prove our existence with God. But how can i prove to you that we exist by God if you don't believe in God? You say have i heard of the big bang theory? Of course I have lol. I prove it wrong and found God. It does not prove our existence, it doesn't even prove how it happened if it even did. Here is one way of knowing the the bbt. is false. Look at the population growth within the last 2000 years. Now imagine 4 billion lol, where did everybody go? lol
@esnigg Humans weren't around billions of years ago. We have only been around about 50,000 years (if that). You have NO proof for the existence of god and the big bang theory has evidence to back it up as the universe is still expanding!
To whom did you prove it wrong to? Yourself? Do you just ignore the Doppler effect, and think it isn't something that's measurable? How much do you know about cosmology to "prove" a scientific theory as "wrong"?
Yes, to myself i proved it. I didn't need to prove it to anyone else because nobody else mattered before I knew God. Before I understood the truth and believed in God, I was my own god. The Lord still is working on me because I am still self centered. Every once in a while i get this feeling that all man kind should get on their knees in my presence. But I pray to God to help me with the self centered part of me. lol Doppler effect? to be continued
@esnigg "Yes, to myself i proved it." _ In the exact manner a crazy person proves to themselves they are made of yarn. Well done! ____ "I didn't need to prove it to anyone else..." _ Only if you don't care for integrity: you know, having the capacity and will to own up to claims given. ____ " Before I understood the truth and believed in God..." _ Funny, now you just believe in god and only have a personal truth that's useless in reality.
The Doppler effect? doesn't it prove that the universe is still growing? doesn't that kind of go with the creationist point of view? Wasn't the original atheist teaching that the universe was always here? Wasn't it because of the Doppler effect that they change their facts to say everything started with the big bang? They had proof and couldn't do anything to disprove it so they came up with another lie to cover up their previous lie. I wonder who is ignoring the Doppler effect.
"The Doppler effect? doesn't it prove that the universe is still growing?"
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You know how I know you have no knowledge on this? (Hint: it has to do with your words and the implications that they carry) (Hint2: The Doppler effect is how we measure for fast the universe is expanding. REF: red shift)
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"doesn't that kind of go with the creationist point of view?"
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I'll accept a creationist having a valid "point of view" when they can first demonstrate a creator independent of their minds.
@esnigg "Wasn't the original atheist teaching...." _ What "original atheist'? And what does atheism have to do with science? It's a lack of theism, nothing else. i.e. an atheist can reject all of science and still lack theism. ____ "...because of the Doppler effect that they change their facts...." _ Facts cannot change. No matter how anyone tries. If an explanation is falsified, it wasn't a fact to begin with. ____ "..had proof and couldn't do anything to disprove it.." _ [citation required]
@esnigg "Ok so first, do you believe that there is no God?" _ No. ____ "Do you believe that because you chose to deny God and live by your own means?" _ Believe what? ____ "do you believe this because of facts that you have acquired that prove God does not exist?" _ Oh...I see, you were being deceitful....
@esnigg "Deceitful?" _ Yes. Deceitful. You asked a question that had nothing to do with ME, but only with an imaginary concept you hold about me. i.e. a prejudice of me. ___ "Do you believe there is a God ..." _ No. But that doesn't mean I believe there are no gods. ___ "And if you believe there is no God..." _ I don't. That's your prejudice.
"simply, i am just asking do you believe in God or not and why?"
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I don;t believe that gods exist because of, as stated in the video, a lack of justification to hold the belief as true. This doesn't mean I believe that no gods exist, that's a different belief. The idea of god is far too important to go on feelings of 'something greater' and flawed human experiences. This is also true for convictions of murder, which is far less important than any gods.
"You keep saying that No God is needed and I just want to make sure."
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I say no god is needed for me because I live a good, healthy life enjoying and loving my family and friends and appreciating my passions without beliefs in gods.
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"To me God is needed in everything even the very breath I take."
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Sounds kind of sad and depressing...even pathetic on some levels.
There is only one true God. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob aka Israel. The same God that created Adam and Eve. The same God that created everything you see and hear and feel. The same God that caused the flood. The same God that thundered from mount sani. The same God that Died on the Cross for my sins. The same God that came to me and said my sins are forgiven and that i am free. That is the God I believe in. Everything else is just a false copy influenced by the devil.
@esnigg HAHAHHAHAHA!!! The "devil" did it? Ohhhhhh wow... you are one of those retards that actually believes what you were told to believe, and think that everything else is evil?
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Sickening. You are one of the big reasons the world is fucked up. Bigots and retards just like you are the problem. Grow the fuck up you coward.
Beside God, I fear nothing. Why do you think i said if I knew there is no God, I would make hitler look like childs play? But I do understand my own existence. I know that there is a God because I have experienced Him. You don't have to believe me. Personally I shouldn't care but I do feel sorry for you. But lucky for you i found God or you would have to fear me lol. But now you don't have to because i know God and fear His punishments and I enjoy His Love for me. For that I love Him.
"Why do you think i said if I knew there is no God, I would make hitler look like childs play?"
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Then you are evil and immoral with or without gods. Doing good because you fear punishment is not moral. Doing good because you fear punishment is mindlessly and thoughtlessly following rules, no morality included.
God loves His creation. Even so much that He sent His only begotten Son to die for our sins. I know I am evil and I know that I sin, even daily. It doesn't matter if it is a white lie or murder, it is still a sin and we are held accountable for our sins. But thanks to our Lord Jesus, we can stand before God in the end blameless. I truly hope that you find Christ. I hope and pray that you accept Him and He takes away your sins. In the end those who do not accept him will be speechless
How about you demonstrate a god outside of your mind and context of language before trying to convince me of it's desires and emotions, okay? You know: be honest in your attempts to convince me. Can you do that? Can you have the integrity to first demonstrate gods exist outside of your head before asserting attributes of them?
You call me evil but yet you don't believe that God exists. If there is no God who are you to say I am evil? What right would anyone have to judge me for any evil i do if there is no God. Without God I become my own judge. If i decide to kill everyone in the world because I feel it is right, then it is right. If the world is stronger and stops me then the world wins. If i decide to murder all men and keep the women to myself, then it is right. Without God what I feel is right, is simply right.
@esnigg And for your questions about memory, it just sounds like you are terrified of death. Is that all religion is for you? An excuse to hide from something that makes you as frightened as a little child in a dark room?
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False hope is still false. Just because you are too scared to accept reality doesn't mean your delusion is real. I suggest you try growing up a little bit. You dont have to be afraid.
For you they might fade, but for me they will never fade. I enjoy what the Lords gives me. I enjoy what the Lord enjoy because I am in Him. You deny His existence because you are not part of His body. I know Him because my own life is actually His life that He has given me freely. Everyday I die to myself and become more alive in Christ Jesus. The more I become alive in Him the more I understand Him and see how wonderful He is. OOO how great our Lord is. Praise Jesus Christ.
@esnigg «For you they might fade, but for me they will never fade.» - Yes they will. The difference is, I can accept it; I don't need a delusion to help me sleep. «You deny His existence because you are not part of His body.» - Pious and wrong. I don't believe in your god for the same reason you don't believe in Thor. The rest of your rant was drivel, so I won't address it. * * * TO WHOMEVER IS MARKING ESNIGG'S COMMENTS AS SPAM: Grow up. Debate him or ignore him. Stop using cowardly tactics.
"So perhaps you're right, and they don't show up as spam on your screen. It lists as spam from both my home and work computers"
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I logged out and they showed up as spammed. I also noted that he quoted me in those comments. YT auto spams messages that copy paste directly into a post. One has to first paste the copied text into a word processor then back into YT to avoid this. there is a hidden character in each message that YT recognizes to auto spam. The WP removed that character.
«YT auto spams messages that copy paste directly into a post»
- Perhaps. But esnigg's comments are, in large part, quote-free. He seems to have either typed it directly into the YT comment box or copied it from a text editor. Also, I almost always copy/paste in the interest of context, and my comments haven't been marked as spam.
So in this case at least, I think it's the work of one of esnigg's dectractors.
I am not really sure. but I did copy and paste comments because when i hit post, i didn't see it in the recent post section. so later on i noticed that i had posted the same post over about 3 or 4 times. I thought it was my browser or just you-tube being sketchy. Sorry for the repeated posts by the way D34dH053. I did try to delete the repeated ones but couldn't find a delete post. Sorry Skullpudding if it caused you any burden.
So how do you determine the worth you put into it? Friends, family, passions? what value do they hold if they are just going die and become nothing? yes even passions die lol. You can create memory but what good is that memory once you are nothing? It lives on? for how long before it is completely forgotten and dies? even if you became the first man to fly without machines, your memory would one day just fade into nothingness. So what then?
" If i knew there was no God, then i wouldn't have a purpose."
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And? That doesn't make gods exist. That makes you sound pathetic and sound like you don;t care much about friends or family.
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"By this idea, God help my soul and forgive me for i am evil, because I would make hitler look like childs play."
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Then you are an evil person who only follows rules of your concepts. I don;t do evil because it goes against the desires I have with empathy and how I want others to feel.
For me I found God by searching for Him. I realized my own stupidity and entered in Gods infinite wisdom. When I see things like this i feel sad because i see myself as i was before and hope that you will at least one day search for God with all your heart and that you find Him as i did. But beware of the devil because he is always working from within and out side. Let me ask you this, if you don't have God, what is the purpose for your life?
"What was your justification to believe a god existed that you could search for? "
Before experiencing God, I felt the need to search for something greater. Back then I wasn't sure what for because I didn't know anything about God. I tried to make a purpose for myself, but every time i thought i had something, it just ended up in boredom. if you really want to know my justification, email me kensziii@gmail com. everybody is welcome to email me.
"What was your justification to believe a god existed that you could search for? "
Before experiencing God, I felt the need to search for something greater. Back then I wasn't sure what for because I didn't know anything about God. I tried to make a purpose for myself, but every time i thought i had something, it just ended up in boredom. if you really want to know my justification, email me kensziii@gmail com. everybody is welcome to email me.
"What was your justification to believe a god existed that you could search for? "
Before experiencing God, I felt the need to search for something greater. Back then I wasn't sure what for because I didn't know anything about God. I tried to make a purpose for myself, but every time i thought i had something, it just ended up in boredom. if you really want to know my justification, email me kensziii@gmail com. everybody is welcome to email me.
God is forever. God created man in His own image. I believe this with all my heart and soul. I grew up questioning everything about God and how He works but human answers always led me into more confusions. I always felt that there was something Greater to life beside going to school and gaining knowledge and boasting about the knowledge i gained and bragging about the wealth i gained because of my knowledge and experiences. What will all that wealth and knowledge do for me once i are dead?
"God is forever. God created man in His own image"
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Do you have any facts that we can verify your claims with? Maybe starting with a god you can demonstrate before we start talking about it's attributes...you know, take an honest apporach to this...
"Do you have any facts that we can verify your claims with?"
Facts? o yes the facts are there. But to see and verify the facts comes with a requirement. I can vouch for the facts because I know of it and I know where to find it at anytime. But if you where to see it for yourself, wouldn't that make you an instant believer? then what? you would join me and try to point everyone else to the facts. There are so many different forms of the facts.
"Do you have any facts that we can verify your claims with?"
Example Just an earthly fact. I say earthly because there are heavenly facts and earthly facts. facts by man and facts Off God. 1. You have a mother and father. correct? Now I believe i have a mother and father. I also believe you have a mother and father. You could challenge me all day and night for ever and you couldn't change my mind about that fact. Because I was raised in a home with a mother and father.
"Do you have any facts that we can verify your claims with?"
Now, I also believe that your mother had or has a mother and father and your father had or has a mother and father. Same with mine. I can keep going with this till the beginning and say Eve was my extremely great grand mother and Adam was my extremely great father. This fact proves my own existence. How about you, does this prove you? or do you have some other fact to prove your existence?
Please don't try to say we came into existence by chance and from one living cell organismic into what we are now. Because the facts as they are now plainly explain that for you to exist, your fathers seed is required and your mothers egg is also required. I don't care what text book you have read, I believe this because I see it with my own two eyes. This is how it is now and this is how it has been throughout history. prove me wrong If you can with facts.
"Do you have any facts that we can verify your claims with?"
even if you say we evolved from apes lol, do apes not have a mother and father as well? If you had only a father and no mother, or a mother and no father, then we might be able to talk more about single celled living organism. but since you have both please tell me how thats possible. Now once we can agree pass this then i can show you even more facts. again I feel it would better to email kensziii@gmail com
"Do you have any facts that we can verify your claims with?"
even if you say we evolved from apes lol, do apes not have a mother and father as well? If you had only a father and no mother, or a mother and no father, then we might be able to talk more about single celled living organism. but since you have both please tell me how thats possible. Now once we can agree pass this then i can show you even more facts. again I feel it would better to email kensziii@gmail com
"Do you have any facts that we can verify your claims with?"
even if you say we evolved from apes lol, do apes not have a mother and father as well? If you had only a father and no mother, or a mother and no father, then we might be able to talk more about single celled living organism. but since you have both please tell me how thats possible. Now once we can agree pass this then i can show you even more facts. again I feel it would better to email kensziii@gmail com
...because I have voices in my head telling me they're "God". My psychiatrist says those voices are something else, but he's probably an evil satanist! Hehe! : )
Have you ever actually read the Bible? Just asking. I wish people would actually take sometime and just read it. Not because somebody told them that they must read it. or because they feel if they don't read it they will die in their sins. But just to read it. 90% of people who read the Bible, read it looking for fault. I can Guarantee you if you read it with a honest mind, you will understand many things. I can put my own life on that. Praise Christ Jesus for everything.
esnigg 1 year ago
@esnigg
«Have you ever actually read the Bible?»
- I did, when I was planning to go into full-time ministry. Have you? Because it's flawed.
«if you read it with a honest mind, you will understand many things.»
- I read and accepted it without question. It was only later, when I applied reason that I realized I had faith in absurd things.
«Praise Christ Jesus for everything»
- Or Allah. Or Vishnu. You think your religion is right. So does everyone else. Are you more correct than them?
Skullpudding 1 year ago
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esnigg 1 year ago
People blame so much on God but they fail to see their own faults in everything. But the lord of this world knows God more then anyone else in this world. And he hates you and me with a "PASSION." His true goal and passion is to make sure we both die in our sins and follow him to everlasting damnation. Think I am lying? lol you are proof of his work even if you don't see it yet. For even better proof look up (aleister crowley).
esnigg 1 year ago
@esnigg
"People blame so much on God but they fail to see their own faults in everything"
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People who lack belief in gods do not blame them for anything.
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"But the lord of this world knows God more then anyone else in this world."
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Who is the lord of this world, and how does he/she/it know something that cannot be demonstrated to exist outside of a concept of the head? Knowledge is demonstrable.
D34dH053 1 year ago
@D34dH053
"people who lack belief in gods do not blame them for anything"
In the severe case that a person does not believe in any gods or God, true. but even those who say they do not believe in God or gods literally blame God for their misfortunes. Notice i said God or gods and ended with just God. That is because even those who believe in gods usually blame God for their misfortunes. Unless of course over the years they have completely fallen away from God.
esnigg 1 year ago
@esnigg
"but even those who say they do not believe in God or gods literally blame God for their misfortunes."
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Then they don't lack belief in gods. Logic, it works.
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"Notice i said God or gods and ended with just God. That is because even those who believe in gods usually blame God for their misfortunes. Unless of course over the years they have completely fallen away from God."
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I notice that nothing in these 3 sentences have relevance..
D34dH053 1 year ago
@D34dH053
The lord of this world is none other then the devil himself.
"out side of the concept of the head?" If my mind can't comprehend the fullness of God, how can it be a concept of my mind? I can't even begin to fully grasp His being. I alone would have to live for billions of years just to begin to slightly imagine a God like I know off. It is only because His truth speaks to me that i begin to understand who He is. But ooo how wonderful is His purpose. If only you knew.
esnigg 1 year ago
D34dH053 1 year ago
@D34dH053
I could indeed because i see His work, I know His work, and I even know His presence. But to comprehend His Fullness? (To know everything about him?), that is impossible. I say this because i don't even know my own self in that complete sense. If i can't even understand the fullness of myself, how can i understand the fullness of my creator? People try to use science as their facts but don't even understand what their talking about. Even science can't fully explain what you are.
esnigg 1 year ago
@esnigg
"I could indeed because i see His work"
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No, you see the work of leprechauns and you cannot deny it. Why can't you deny it? Because you said yourself: "my mind can't comprehend the fullness of God"...meaning you couldn't comprehend any work he's done to be justified in believing it was a god more than it was leprechauns. Logic, it works.
D34dH053 1 year ago
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esnigg 1 year ago
Great video. The personal claims and experiences are completely useless for these exact reasons.
ThatOneQuestion 1 year ago
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@D34dH053
"Do you have any facts that we can verify your claims with?"
even if you say we evolved from apes lol, do apes not have a mother and father as well? If you had only a father and no mother, or a mother and no father, then we might be able to talk more about single celled living organism. but since you have both please tell me how thats possible. Now once we can agree pass this then i can show you even more facts. again I feel it would better to email kensziii@gmail com
esnigg 1 year ago
D34dH053 1 year ago
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@D34dH053
"What was your justification to believe a god existed that you could search for? "
Before experiencing God, I felt the need to search for something greater. Back then I wasn't sure what for because I didn't know anything about God. I tried to make a purpose for myself, but every time i thought i had something, it just ended up in boredom. if you really want to know my justification, email me kensziii@gmail com. everybody is welcome to email me.
esnigg 1 year ago
@esnigg
"Before experiencing God, I felt the need to search for something greater"
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So you had a concept in your head(a feeling) and that lead you to search for "something greater".
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"Back then I wasn't sure what for because I didn't know anything about God"
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You still don't know god, you only know of claims about god and the imagination you have for a god. that is, until you can demonstrate a god that fits those claims and the concept you have in your head.
D34dH053 1 year ago
I found God in a parking lot at a Dead show.
captainblewhard 1 year ago
Just an example for those who don't get it. If i knew there was no God, then i wouldn't have a purpose. This would mean i can create my own purpose. By this idea, God help my soul and forgive me for i am evil, because I would make hitler look like childs play. Thank God for His love and kindness that He lead me away from that darkness. Amen
esnigg 1 year ago
@esnigg Dumbest argument ever. If you knew there was no God, then you would be free to make your own purpose, rather than GUESSING at what your version of your particular incarnation of God thinks your purpose might be. Many millions embraced god and then did evil, what does that say about God's purpose? You reference Hitler, he was quite the devout protestant you know... And he certainly had a purpose. So by your logic the holocaust was God's will?
CuiusRegio 1 year ago
@CuiusRegio
Just know this, evil or not Gods Will will be done. One who claims to be off God but acts evil is not off God. Because by mans own fruit can you understand which side he stands. I can guarantee you that hitler was not off God. If he was off God then why would he try to be God? Doesn't that remind you of the devil himself? But wait you don't believe in evil or the devil correct? lol so to you, hitler was just trying to accomplish his own purpose. By your logic hitler was good. lol
esnigg 1 year ago
@esnigg
"If i knew there was no God, then i wouldn't have a purpose. "
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That's your shortcoming. I have many purposes to life. Many real and worthwhile purposes. No gods needed.
D34dH053 1 year ago
@D34dH053
"That's your shortcoming. I have many purposes to life. Many real and worthwhile purposes. No gods needed. "
What purpose can you actually have in your life that make it worth while? Living to the fullest? What is living to the fullest? You get married and have kids and grow old and die? or get married have kids and get a divorce and grow old bouncing from house to house and die? or become the richest man in the world and grow old and die? which one is worth while?
esnigg 1 year ago
@esnigg
"What purpose can you actually have in your life that make it worth while?"
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Friends, family, passions, etc.
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"which one is worth while?"
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Whichever one you put worth into. You put worth into your subjective purposes, I put worth into my subjective purposes. Difference: all the things I see worth in are from real demonstrable things.
D34dH053 1 year ago
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So how do you determine the worth you put into it? Friends, family, passions? what value do they hold if they are just going die and become nothing? yes even passions die lol. You can create memory but what good is that memory once you are nothing? It lives on? for how long before it is completely forgotten and dies? even if you became the first man to fly without machines, your memory would one day just fade into nothingness. So what then?
esnigg 1 year ago
So how do you determine the worth you put into it? Friends, family, passions? what value do they hold if they are just going die and become nothing? yes even passions die lol. You can create memory but what good is that memory once you are nothing? It lives on? for how long before it is completely forgotten and dies? even if you became the first man to fly without machines, your memory would one day just fade into nothingness. So what then?
esnigg 1 year ago
@esnigg
"So how do you determine the worth you put into it? Friends, family, passions?"
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Really? Are you playing ignorant on purpose, or do you really not know why people value friends and family?
D34dH053 1 year ago
@D34dH053
LOl instead of arguing with you about purpose, let me just respond with this. I value my Family in God. I value my friends too because they are part of my family in God. if you knew about God like I do then you would become part of my friends and family in God. anybody else can't be part of my family or friends because our destination are completely different. I value my friends and family because they complete me and will never let me go astray. We are all lead by God Himself.
esnigg 1 year ago
@esnigg
" let me just respond with this. I value my Family in God."
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I value my friends and family in reality.
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"if you knew about God like I do..."
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Then I would be capable of demonstrating knowledge of a god, rather than continuing to just assert to know god over and over with dishonesty, esnigg...
D34dH053 1 year ago
@D34dH053
Why don't you try doing some real research. Your entire being depends on it. Go out there in the world and really LOOK. Not only will you see purely Gods hands at work, but you might actually experience His presence as well. Don't you understand that without God, dishonesty, love, evil, good, family, and friends have no meaning what so ever. It would purely be survival of the fittest. Without God even cannibalism would be common. And it is, among the Godless.
esnigg 1 year ago
@esnigg
"Why don't you try doing some real research. "
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Okay. Demonstrate a god outside of your mind so I can investigate properly, then I can.
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"Go out there in the world and really LOOK."
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Alright, done. Can you demonstrate a god outside of a concept of your mind and context of language so I can be certain of what to look for? Because claiming things are evidence of gods without demonstrating gods is not very honest.
D34dH053 1 year ago
@D34dH053
How would you go about demonstrating God? I can show you some of His works, I can tell you how to truly find and understand Him, but to demonstrate the God of all Gods is beyond me. I am just one part of many. The truth is hard to understand and only Gods wisdom can reveal it to you. If you want a real demonstration, come to Him and He will. But trust me when I say this, you better hope that His demonstration is kind towards you.
esnigg 1 year ago
D34dH053 1 year ago
@esnigg There is no proof for the existence of god. You are extremely ignorant to the facts.
wesleysonic 1 year ago
@wesleysonic
I have many proofs that God exists. One of the best is your own existence. But if you have another proof for your existence without God, please point me to it so i can see for myself. Let me say this, If you can prove honestly your own existence without God, If you really go and find real proof that explains your existence without God, then please feel sorry for me, laugh at me, call me ignorant, I will gladly accept it. I will challenge anyone on this.
esnigg 1 year ago
@esnigg You can't prove our existence with god. And have you heard of the big bang theory and evolution? They explain how we came to be, there isn't any proof that we exist anyway, we could all be in a computer like the matrix (I doubt it though lol).
Your the one that made the accusation that god exists so you have to provide the evidence.
wesleysonic 1 year ago
@wesleysonic
I truly can prove our existence with God. But how can i prove to you that we exist by God if you don't believe in God? You say have i heard of the big bang theory? Of course I have lol. I prove it wrong and found God. It does not prove our existence, it doesn't even prove how it happened if it even did. Here is one way of knowing the the bbt. is false. Look at the population growth within the last 2000 years. Now imagine 4 billion lol, where did everybody go? lol
esnigg 1 year ago
@esnigg Humans weren't around billions of years ago. We have only been around about 50,000 years (if that). You have NO proof for the existence of god and the big bang theory has evidence to back it up as the universe is still expanding!
wesleysonic 1 year ago
@esnigg
"I prove it wrong and found God."
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To whom did you prove it wrong to? Yourself? Do you just ignore the Doppler effect, and think it isn't something that's measurable? How much do you know about cosmology to "prove" a scientific theory as "wrong"?
...just curious...
D34dH053 1 year ago
@D34dH053
Yes, to myself i proved it. I didn't need to prove it to anyone else because nobody else mattered before I knew God. Before I understood the truth and believed in God, I was my own god. The Lord still is working on me because I am still self centered. Every once in a while i get this feeling that all man kind should get on their knees in my presence. But I pray to God to help me with the self centered part of me. lol Doppler effect? to be continued
esnigg 1 year ago
D34dH053 1 year ago
@D34dH053
The Doppler effect? doesn't it prove that the universe is still growing? doesn't that kind of go with the creationist point of view? Wasn't the original atheist teaching that the universe was always here? Wasn't it because of the Doppler effect that they change their facts to say everything started with the big bang? They had proof and couldn't do anything to disprove it so they came up with another lie to cover up their previous lie. I wonder who is ignoring the Doppler effect.
esnigg 1 year ago
@esng
"The Doppler effect? doesn't it prove that the universe is still growing?"
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You know how I know you have no knowledge on this? (Hint: it has to do with your words and the implications that they carry) (Hint2: The Doppler effect is how we measure for fast the universe is expanding. REF: red shift)
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"doesn't that kind of go with the creationist point of view?"
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I'll accept a creationist having a valid "point of view" when they can first demonstrate a creator independent of their minds.
D34dH053 1 year ago
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@esnigg
" yes even passions die lol"
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Sure. Point?
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"So what then?"
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I still live my life for the friends I have, the family I love, and the passions I hold.
No gods needed.
D34dH053 1 year ago
@D34H053
Ok so first, do you believe that there is no God?
Do you believe that because you chose to deny God and live by your own means?
or do you believe this because of facts that you have acquired that prove God does not exist?
You keep saying that No God is needed and I just want to make sure. To me God is needed in everything even the very breath I take.
esnigg 1 year ago
D34dH053 1 year ago
@D34dH053
Deceitful? I just wanted to know. Do you believe there is a God but deny Him because you keep saying that no God is needed.
And if you believe there is no God, good for you. but do you have any facts to prove there is no God?
simply, i am just asking do you believe in God or not and why?
esnigg 1 year ago
D34dH053 1 year ago
@esnigg
"simply, i am just asking do you believe in God or not and why?"
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I don;t believe that gods exist because of, as stated in the video, a lack of justification to hold the belief as true. This doesn't mean I believe that no gods exist, that's a different belief. The idea of god is far too important to go on feelings of 'something greater' and flawed human experiences. This is also true for convictions of murder, which is far less important than any gods.
D34dH053 1 year ago
@esnigg
"You keep saying that No God is needed and I just want to make sure."
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I say no god is needed for me because I live a good, healthy life enjoying and loving my family and friends and appreciating my passions without beliefs in gods.
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"To me God is needed in everything even the very breath I take."
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Sounds kind of sad and depressing...even pathetic on some levels.
D34dH053 1 year ago
@esnigg Do you even know there are more versions of gods out there, or are you specifically ignoring them because you cant admit it?
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Do you turn away from and deny those gods so you can make up your own version of a god that makes you feel better?
ThatOneQuestion 1 year ago
@ThatOneQuestion
There is only one true God. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob aka Israel. The same God that created Adam and Eve. The same God that created everything you see and hear and feel. The same God that caused the flood. The same God that thundered from mount sani. The same God that Died on the Cross for my sins. The same God that came to me and said my sins are forgiven and that i am free. That is the God I believe in. Everything else is just a false copy influenced by the devil.
esnigg 1 year ago
@esnigg HAHAHHAHAHA!!! The "devil" did it? Ohhhhhh wow... you are one of those retards that actually believes what you were told to believe, and think that everything else is evil?
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Sickening. You are one of the big reasons the world is fucked up. Bigots and retards just like you are the problem. Grow the fuck up you coward.
ThatOneQuestion 1 year ago
@esnigg
Beside God, I fear nothing. Why do you think i said if I knew there is no God, I would make hitler look like childs play? But I do understand my own existence. I know that there is a God because I have experienced Him. You don't have to believe me. Personally I shouldn't care but I do feel sorry for you. But lucky for you i found God or you would have to fear me lol. But now you don't have to because i know God and fear His punishments and I enjoy His Love for me. For that I love Him.
esnigg 1 year ago
@esnigg
"Why do you think i said if I knew there is no God, I would make hitler look like childs play?"
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Then you are evil and immoral with or without gods. Doing good because you fear punishment is not moral. Doing good because you fear punishment is mindlessly and thoughtlessly following rules, no morality included.
D34dH053 1 year ago
@esnigg
"You don't have to believe me"
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There's no good reasonable justification to believe you. I can't imagine why you believe yourself...
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"Personally I shouldn't care..."
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...says the evil and immoral man who requires imagination of a god to act with civility.
D34dH053 1 year ago
@D34dH053
God loves His creation. Even so much that He sent His only begotten Son to die for our sins. I know I am evil and I know that I sin, even daily. It doesn't matter if it is a white lie or murder, it is still a sin and we are held accountable for our sins. But thanks to our Lord Jesus, we can stand before God in the end blameless. I truly hope that you find Christ. I hope and pray that you accept Him and He takes away your sins. In the end those who do not accept him will be speechless
esnigg 1 year ago
@esnigg
"God loves His creation."
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How about you demonstrate a god outside of your mind and context of language before trying to convince me of it's desires and emotions, okay? You know: be honest in your attempts to convince me. Can you do that? Can you have the integrity to first demonstrate gods exist outside of your head before asserting attributes of them?
D34dH053 1 year ago
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You call me evil but yet you don't believe that God exists. If there is no God who are you to say I am evil? What right would anyone have to judge me for any evil i do if there is no God. Without God I become my own judge. If i decide to kill everyone in the world because I feel it is right, then it is right. If the world is stronger and stops me then the world wins. If i decide to murder all men and keep the women to myself, then it is right. Without God what I feel is right, is simply right.
esnigg 1 year ago
@esnigg And for your questions about memory, it just sounds like you are terrified of death. Is that all religion is for you? An excuse to hide from something that makes you as frightened as a little child in a dark room?
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False hope is still false. Just because you are too scared to accept reality doesn't mean your delusion is real. I suggest you try growing up a little bit. You dont have to be afraid.
ThatOneQuestion 1 year ago
Esnigg, grow the fuck up. You are such a fool.
ThatOneQuestion 1 year ago
@esnigg
«family, passions ... are just going die ... what good is that memory once you are nothing ... etc»
- The thrust of all your points is that you can't bear to think that the things you love and hold dear will fade.
Yes, these things all fade. Enjoy them while you can; make the most of it.
Life is precious and fleeting, I agree.
None of this addresses whether any god exists. Only evidence addresses existence (or lack thereof).
And the evidence doesn't suggest an existing god.
Skullpudding 1 year ago
@Skullpudding
For you they might fade, but for me they will never fade. I enjoy what the Lords gives me. I enjoy what the Lord enjoy because I am in Him. You deny His existence because you are not part of His body. I know Him because my own life is actually His life that He has given me freely. Everyday I die to myself and become more alive in Christ Jesus. The more I become alive in Him the more I understand Him and see how wonderful He is. OOO how great our Lord is. Praise Jesus Christ.
esnigg 1 year ago
Skullpudding 1 year ago
@Skullpudding
"TO WHOMEVER IS MARKING ESNIGG'S COMMENTS AS SPAM:"
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I don;t see any of his being marked as spam. Maybe they don't show up for the author as spam...who knows.
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I 'do" however see a couple comments that esnigg himself has removed; i.e. "comment removed by author"....
D34dH053 1 year ago
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@D34dH053
Somwhat ironically, I see this directly below your comment (the one I'm currently responding to) on the "All Comments" page:
esnigg / 6 days ago / This has been flagged as spam /
(For reference, it's the comment that starts with, "So how do you determine the worth you put into it?")
So perhaps you're right, and they don't show up as spam on your screen. It lists as spam from both my home and work computers.
Skullpudding 1 year ago
@Skullpudding
"So perhaps you're right, and they don't show up as spam on your screen. It lists as spam from both my home and work computers"
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I logged out and they showed up as spammed. I also noted that he quoted me in those comments. YT auto spams messages that copy paste directly into a post. One has to first paste the copied text into a word processor then back into YT to avoid this. there is a hidden character in each message that YT recognizes to auto spam. The WP removed that character.
D34dH053 1 year ago
@D34dH053
«YT auto spams messages that copy paste directly into a post»
- Perhaps. But esnigg's comments are, in large part, quote-free. He seems to have either typed it directly into the YT comment box or copied it from a text editor. Also, I almost always copy/paste in the interest of context, and my comments haven't been marked as spam.
So in this case at least, I think it's the work of one of esnigg's dectractors.
Skullpudding 1 year ago
@Skullpudding
I am not really sure. but I did copy and paste comments because when i hit post, i didn't see it in the recent post section. so later on i noticed that i had posted the same post over about 3 or 4 times. I thought it was my browser or just you-tube being sketchy. Sorry for the repeated posts by the way D34dH053. I did try to delete the repeated ones but couldn't find a delete post. Sorry Skullpudding if it caused you any burden.
esnigg 1 year ago
@esnigg
«Sorry Skullpudding if it caused you any burden»
- No burden caused. I only addressed it because I wanted to keep the conversation fair, so I didn't want anyone else flagging your comments as spam.
Skullpudding 1 year ago
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@D34dH053
So how do you determine the worth you put into it? Friends, family, passions? what value do they hold if they are just going die and become nothing? yes even passions die lol. You can create memory but what good is that memory once you are nothing? It lives on? for how long before it is completely forgotten and dies? even if you became the first man to fly without machines, your memory would one day just fade into nothingness. So what then?
esnigg 1 year ago
@esnigg
" If i knew there was no God, then i wouldn't have a purpose."
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And? That doesn't make gods exist. That makes you sound pathetic and sound like you don;t care much about friends or family.
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"By this idea, God help my soul and forgive me for i am evil, because I would make hitler look like childs play."
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Then you are an evil person who only follows rules of your concepts. I don;t do evil because it goes against the desires I have with empathy and how I want others to feel.
D34dH053 1 year ago
For me I found God by searching for Him. I realized my own stupidity and entered in Gods infinite wisdom. When I see things like this i feel sad because i see myself as i was before and hope that you will at least one day search for God with all your heart and that you find Him as i did. But beware of the devil because he is always working from within and out side. Let me ask you this, if you don't have God, what is the purpose for your life?
esnigg 1 year ago
@esnigg
"For me I found God by searching for Him."
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What was your justification to believe a god existed that you could search for?
D34dH053 1 year ago
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"What was your justification to believe a god existed that you could search for? "
Before experiencing God, I felt the need to search for something greater. Back then I wasn't sure what for because I didn't know anything about God. I tried to make a purpose for myself, but every time i thought i had something, it just ended up in boredom. if you really want to know my justification, email me kensziii@gmail com. everybody is welcome to email me.
esnigg 1 year ago
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@D34dH053
"What was your justification to believe a god existed that you could search for? "
Before experiencing God, I felt the need to search for something greater. Back then I wasn't sure what for because I didn't know anything about God. I tried to make a purpose for myself, but every time i thought i had something, it just ended up in boredom. if you really want to know my justification, email me kensziii@gmail com. everybody is welcome to email me.
esnigg 1 year ago
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@D34dH053
"What was your justification to believe a god existed that you could search for? "
Before experiencing God, I felt the need to search for something greater. Back then I wasn't sure what for because I didn't know anything about God. I tried to make a purpose for myself, but every time i thought i had something, it just ended up in boredom. if you really want to know my justification, email me kensziii@gmail com. everybody is welcome to email me.
esnigg 1 year ago
@esnigg to do as many of the things that bring me joy as i can in the limited time i have
Doopdon 1 year ago
God is forever. God created man in His own image. I believe this with all my heart and soul. I grew up questioning everything about God and how He works but human answers always led me into more confusions. I always felt that there was something Greater to life beside going to school and gaining knowledge and boasting about the knowledge i gained and bragging about the wealth i gained because of my knowledge and experiences. What will all that wealth and knowledge do for me once i are dead?
esnigg 1 year ago
@esnigg
"God is forever. God created man in His own image"
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Do you have any facts that we can verify your claims with? Maybe starting with a god you can demonstrate before we start talking about it's attributes...you know, take an honest apporach to this...
D34dH053 1 year ago
@D34dH053
"Do you have any facts that we can verify your claims with?"
Facts? o yes the facts are there. But to see and verify the facts comes with a requirement. I can vouch for the facts because I know of it and I know where to find it at anytime. But if you where to see it for yourself, wouldn't that make you an instant believer? then what? you would join me and try to point everyone else to the facts. There are so many different forms of the facts.
esnigg 1 year ago
@D34dH053
"Do you have any facts that we can verify your claims with?"
Example Just an earthly fact. I say earthly because there are heavenly facts and earthly facts. facts by man and facts Off God. 1. You have a mother and father. correct? Now I believe i have a mother and father. I also believe you have a mother and father. You could challenge me all day and night for ever and you couldn't change my mind about that fact. Because I was raised in a home with a mother and father.
esnigg 1 year ago
@D34dH053
"Do you have any facts that we can verify your claims with?"
Now, I also believe that your mother had or has a mother and father and your father had or has a mother and father. Same with mine. I can keep going with this till the beginning and say Eve was my extremely great grand mother and Adam was my extremely great father. This fact proves my own existence. How about you, does this prove you? or do you have some other fact to prove your existence?
esnigg 1 year ago
Please don't try to say we came into existence by chance and from one living cell organismic into what we are now. Because the facts as they are now plainly explain that for you to exist, your fathers seed is required and your mothers egg is also required. I don't care what text book you have read, I believe this because I see it with my own two eyes. This is how it is now and this is how it has been throughout history. prove me wrong If you can with facts.
esnigg 1 year ago
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@D34dH053
"Do you have any facts that we can verify your claims with?"
even if you say we evolved from apes lol, do apes not have a mother and father as well? If you had only a father and no mother, or a mother and no father, then we might be able to talk more about single celled living organism. but since you have both please tell me how thats possible. Now once we can agree pass this then i can show you even more facts. again I feel it would better to email kensziii@gmail com
esnigg 1 year ago
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@D34dH053
"Do you have any facts that we can verify your claims with?"
even if you say we evolved from apes lol, do apes not have a mother and father as well? If you had only a father and no mother, or a mother and no father, then we might be able to talk more about single celled living organism. but since you have both please tell me how thats possible. Now once we can agree pass this then i can show you even more facts. again I feel it would better to email kensziii@gmail com
esnigg 1 year ago
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@D34dH053
"Do you have any facts that we can verify your claims with?"
even if you say we evolved from apes lol, do apes not have a mother and father as well? If you had only a father and no mother, or a mother and no father, then we might be able to talk more about single celled living organism. but since you have both please tell me how thats possible. Now once we can agree pass this then i can show you even more facts. again I feel it would better to email kensziii@gmail com
esnigg 1 year ago
@esnigg
"I say earthly because there are heavenly facts and earthly facts."
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And you are dishonest in saying that. "Earthly facts" are demonstrable facts. "Heavenly facts" are pure fucking imagination you assert as real.
D34dH053 1 year ago
@esnigg
"God is forever"
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"Forever" is only a concept of the human mind. Is this how you god exists? A concept of your mind?
D34dH053 1 year ago
...because I have voices in my head telling me they're "God". My psychiatrist says those voices are something else, but he's probably an evil satanist! Hehe! : )
winterstellar 1 year ago