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  • Why the hell Thomas Jane wasn't in the sequel is beyond me. I liked the one with Dolph Lundgren but the one with Ray Stevenson sucked ass. The story sucked and violence was too damn over the top. There was no emotion to it. The one with Jane had a very good story, it was well casted and the action was great, not damn corny. Thomas Jane is The Punisher.

  • it would be cool a punisher movie with comic book effects (o.45)

  • Thomas Jane's Punisher was hardly The Punisher, he was a modern day Western hero. He doesn't even have motivation to punish crime other than going after the Saints.

  • @MrCure4 and Ray Stevenson's Punisher is different how. Going straight to the comics and ignoring all the movies completely, Past "punishing" the people who killed his family what motivation at all does he have to continue hunting down other criminals that have little to nothing to do with anything remotely to do with Frank? The character has no direct motivation he just does it. In Franks mind it's nothing more than a "somebody's got to do it" job.

  • It's genuinely quite difficult to understand how gay you lot are. It really is.

  • I also find it amusing my old comment received "too many negative votes". Sigh..butthurt Jane fanboys obviously rofl

  • Titled "Thomas Jane is Frank Castle".....

    Yeah the midget, talkative, get along with the neighbors type.... my ass.

    He don't make friends, and come round for cake and tea. Ray did a better job, and actually looked the part, both in height, build and physical looks.

  • @pun1978isher Exactly. Those who liked Jane's like a cowardly punisher

  • fucking producers destroyed The Punisher franchise, they should have made the second one with Jane again instead cuz he brought the franchise back to life!

  • Marvel Studios acquirred the right to The Punisher. Kevin Fiege, listen to the fanboys and bring back Thomas Jane.

  • I think he is better Punisher than second Punisher

  • thomas jane is the best punisher ive seen nice job we r his biggest fans WOOOHOOO lol

  • The punisher-the greatest comics charecter!

  • Guys we have to somehow get Thomas Jane and people to do another punisher lol

  • There is no Dolph Lundgren, there is no Ray Stevenson. There is only Thomas Jane

  • @Ghostbuster1988 Wrong. If people even bothered to read punisher anymore they'd see Stevenson looks exactly like his character now

  • @QuassDebonair I agree. When I first picked up a Punisher comic back in the 80's and read basically all of them back then. Ray Stevenson still captured the right look, height, build etc. even if you don't include current verions of The Punisher. That is what he looks like period.

    I did appreciate the fact that in the Warzone movie, the director used only 3 colours for every scene... Just like a comic book... Nice touch I thought.

  • @pun1978isher exactly. Stevenson looks like Frank's exact build..whilst Jane looked smaller

  • @QuassDebonair Like Jim Lee's Punisher or Steve Dillon's Punisher. Stevenson looked like the MAX Punisher. A comic series that wasen't even out when they started Jane's movie.

  • @NorwegianPlague But it was still created..and therefore makes Stevenson the better fit. In other words it would make Jane's punisher obsolete since MAX was started

  • TJ is better looking than these "embellished" pics. more natural looking.

  • @pawel1818 Haha... Sarcasm is funny. :P

  • Absolutly agree! Jane must be in the Punisher 2? not stivenson!

  • "No Jane, No Movie" Great. The 2nd one sucked ass. There are certain actors who actuallt try to get in shape mentally and physically for their roles. Thomas Jane is one of them. Ray stevenson is not. Let's put aside the fact that the 2nd one is more based on the comic book. This one was not only believable, so totally fucking badass!

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  • You do know that the MAX series wasn't out when Punisher 2004 was being made, right? So the movie is based on WBF and Year One. So you can't really give that as a reason. But, Ray does look like the MAX Frank (except the turtle-body armour) and on the other side- Jane looks like Jim Lee's Punisher. Sad to think that War Zone is going to be the last Punisher movie in a looong time...

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  • @QuassDebonair

    Why are you calling him 'kid', your profile says you're only 23 years of age.

    Also, you say "Warzone is considered better", what are you basing this on? I ask because RottenTomatoes compiles lots of different opinions/ratings, from film critics & amateurs, for an overal score. Punisher: War Zone (the one you like) has a score of 26%, which sucks. The Punisher from 2004 has 29%. Still not a great score, but statistically better than the one you say is "considered better". Bam!

  • @MikeH1986MikeH It's funny how people listen to rottentomatoes. War zone getting a lower rating doesn't mean it was worse you goof. True punisher fans,which obviously isn't you,knew war zone captured Frank's brutalitiy..whilst Jane's focused too much on his psychological warfare. Funny I do recall 23 being the age of an adult,unless of course legality and such is wrong right? Nice try but you fail

  • And why are people debating who is better, Thomas Jane or Ray Stevenson, when we all know it's really Chuck Norris who should have played the Punisher?

    Or better yet, he could just play himself. In every single movie ever.

  • @QuassDebonair you do realize that the "Max series" Punisher encompases less than 1 % of all punisher comics and there a METRIC FUCK TON MORE Punisher comics than just the Max Series. and Thomas Jane's Punisher is almost IDENTICAL to Jim Lee's Punisher from the 90's which the one almost all of us REAL Fans of The Punisher grew up with.

  • @thebluemaggot rofl real fans..that "1%" encompasses the most brutality anyone has ever seen out of the punisher too that you forgot to add:) No shit there's more..There's always more comics than the max series of any character,so gj there captain obvious. Jason Aaron has taken on the current punisher max series and is doing a mighty fine job of showing a side of the punisher none of us have ever seen before:)

  • @QuassDebonair So just because semi lobotomized failed abortions like yourself like to watch absolutely nothing but blood and gore want to watch a Punisher with a wooden personality, action that is so over the top it might as well be a circus act, effects that are more pathetic then the cardboard stages of 1950's sci fi movies, villains that are so corny as to make one puke the MAJORITY of us want a well scripted well acted and CLASSIC Punisher should just suffer, BULLSHIT.

  • @QuassDebonair The Punisher Max line is frankly my absolute LEAST Favorite of the entire Punisher line, not only is it HIDEOUSLY bland when it comes to the writing the only thing that adds any excitement to the series is the grotesquely unnecessary gore fest they advertise. IF people like you are the deciding factor of what makes a "good" Punisher movie then I am quite frankly glad there will never be another one.

  • @thebluemaggot Trying to insult me won't get you anywhere but show how much I get to you that you have to resort to insults you simple minded fool:)It's hilarious to see losers like yourself call yourself a punisher fan but try to put down Frank's max series. Hey numbnuts..It's so funny how you are one individual trying to speak for others when others' opinions disagree with yours:)There's plenty that like the max series..You're single opinion does not disprove that. You fail:)

  • @QuassDebonair the"plenty" you speak of only speak for a Minority of Classic Punishjer movies. And it only goes to prove me about war Zone right that the only thing you have left to comment about is that fact I insulted you. War zone was an absolute failure of a Movie. The acting was wooden, the effects were either depressingly horrid or horridly misplaced (heat seeking rockets do not lock onto body heat) and the script might have been written on a gas station bathroom wall.

  • @thebluemaggot Lol idc if warzone was a failure. It proved that retards in hollywood have to change things in order to make a movie good because warzone stuck to the comics:D Rofl classic punisher movies..There's only been 3 movies kiddo. Dolph's,which wasn't any better..Though I'd love to see you defend that one,and Jane's with his whiney emo punisher. But hey you take your punisher who spends more time bitching..I'll take mine who does more killing:)

  • I want to see Thomas Jane in next Punisher

  • Sorry, I missunderstood that sentence with "..entire movie..".

  • tbh the special affects in warzone were so corny, like what you get on a straight to dvd movie, ray stevenson looks like a wife beater, and his acting was wooden

  • @IndianaJoel93 Rofl

    And I agree. Thomas Jane and the movie in general were the best

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  • hopefully :)

  • thomas janes punisher was good, it had that real movie feel about it, it was well made, had good actors, good storyline, thomas jane looks like how the punisher would look in real life, thomas jane`s punisher had charisma, personality and wit.

    ray stevensons punisher was like one of those crappy sci fi channel saturday night premiers, bad acting, shit cast, awful special effects, thomas jane has said he WOULD like to return as the punisher if the script was right and marvel got 2004s crew back

  • Thomas Jane is the Punisher!

  • @IndianaJoel93 Warzone wasn't done wrong. It focused on a different aspect of the punisher,but the rest of it was what caused it to not be so well

  • thomas jane is the punisher

  • Ray stevenson doesnt even look like the punisher in warzone for starters you can't even see the punisher sign on his chest its so faded his hair isnt even black like the punishers should be. But thomas jane has all that ray stevenson doesnt any guy who knows about the punisher would know that!

  • @sexysteveontour08 Yet another person who probably hasn't ever seen a Punisher comic before and only the 2 movies..Ray looks like Frank. Try looking it up;)

  • 5/5 to the REAL PUNISHER - TOM JANE!!!

  • 0:45 best pic, and tom jane is real punisher btw

  • agreed!

    Thomas Jane is the real Punisher!!!!

  • TOM JANE IS THE ONE AND ONLY

  • This video rocks. Jane IS the punisher. Warzone is crap!!!

  • Does any1 know whats the type of his car?

  • Amen. They should just forget that Punisher War Zone ever happened and continue with a sequel to Jane's Punisher.

  • because thomas jane was filming the mist at the time, which is an unbelivably good movie! thomas jane`s acting was even better than in the punisher

  • hmm i think ray is more punisher material X]

  • Riddle me this! Then Do you think if Ray Stevens were cast in the 2004 punisher movie and ALL the Script acting, scenes, and story were exactly the same, Do you think the 2004 punisher movie would have been better then if Jane was the actor instead. Keep in Mind I am talking a COMPLETE CARBON COPY, the Only Difference is Ray is the Actor instead of Jane.

  • Actually they got Thomas Jane and Ray Bradstreet to work on promotional images for the Punisher. The original Welcome Back Frank series by Garth Ennis featured a Punisher that looked a tad bit like Ray Stevenson. HOWEVER, Jane does happen to resemble the Punisher of the 80's to a certain point.

  • "HOWEVER, Jane does happen to resemble the Punisher of the 80's to a certain point"

    THANK YOU! FInally Someone else not afraid to say it.

  • Of course I ain't afraid. I enjoyed both movies, the first one had a story, but WarZone was all gun porn.

    Now if they could combine the action of WarZone and still retain a story, then you've got a movie ON PAR with say, Hard Boiled? Or Die Hard? Or hell, even Reservoir Dogs.

  • Completely agree. Warzone had the action 2004 had the story but much of warzones violence was just stupid. NONE of The shotgun head shots even remotely looked real, the freakin super punch was retarded, and the rocket to the free runner was the gayest thing I have ever seen in a movie and I sat through half of broke back mountain.

  • I actually laughed at all the scenes of the Hardcore violence. The super punch and freerunner explosion being those scenes exactly. The gun fights were pretty damn amazing, but some things they could have just done without. I own the first two issues of Welcome Back Frank, and the first issue's opening pannels are near identical to WarZone's soo, there goes your source material. Anywhoo...

  • did any of those comics also show Castle strapping his feet to a crystal laden light fixture and hanging upside down making himself a stationary out in the WIDE open center in an entire room full of armed Mafia bosses and hired goons. And thy complain about travoltas fat ass being pulled through a parking lot full of exploding cars.

  • Nah, it wasn't that crazy, more like he takes out some guards, and straight up headshots the old guy. Seriously, he strolls into the party while they were giving a toast and Frank straight up shoots the guy and waltzes out. As the family clamors out to go get him, he sets up a goddamn machine gun and mows down every mobster there (and I quote) like "It's Omaha Beach." Srs, thats the first caption on the page where mows everyone down with his MG.

  • WOW! Now that sounds 10 times more awesome than some upside down swinging strapped to a chandelier shit. IT also sounds like something that the Director for the 2004 movie would have done.

  • get outta here. u sat thru half???? lol

  • That's what happens when your girlfriends body is a 10 and her taste in movies is a 3.

  • lol,gun porn. how appropriate;there's a coined phrase if i ever heard one.

  • i agree. . . . no jane. . . no movie!

  • kinda to late dont u think "silvermist"

  • hahaha lol yea

  • I think he meant, he doesn't even see Warzone as a real Punisher movie. For me, it's the same. No Jane - no Punisher! Simply because Thomas Jane is an actor, while Ray Stevens is a walking cliché. A heavy-handed (haha) brute. Warzone is a senseless gorefest.

  • War Zone was a B movie to me. Absolutely ridiculous. That Jigsaw brother was nothing but an fat idiot bald midget, and punisher a complete showoff. His knifes cuts heads, his punches destroys skulls, and god i hate so much that first scene where he hangs shooting in every direction: they confused Frank Castle with Antonio Banderas.

    2004 movie wasn't a very good movie but a lot better than this crap. I'm even doubting about Dolph Lundgren's one being better tan War Zone!

  • and in my opinion:

    Best Punisher Movie:The Punisher(2004)

    Best Punisher Actor:Thomas Jane

    Best Villain:Seint(john Travolta)

    Best Action Punisher Movie:The Punisher War Zone

  • I agree

  • Best Villain Is Jigsaw But everything else i agree.

  • I agree completely. People seem to not give Travolta the credit he deserves on making Howard Saint truly a great evil character.

  • people only hated john travolta in the punisher because he was an asshole, the whole point of his character was to be an asshole

  • agree Thomas Jane is THE PUNISHER.....he is AWESOME...not just Beautifull man but a good "DEEP"acting thought

  • both were good. war zone is the best movie. sorry abercrombie, but the comic readers knows

  • There is a reason why comic book movies that are to much like the comic books Fail miserably, Because they try to be something that they cant and then they suck ass! Just Imagine if The Xmen wore their comic book costumes in the Movies.

  • Yeah, the comic book fanatics can't seem to separate reality from a comic book.

  • i agree....in comics you can make things overly fantastic and fuck with physics all day long because its main purpose is to attract the reader's attention,but in tv/movies,you have to really sift thru everything and cut out all of the utmost unrealistic aspects of the characters to make it more applicable. although i wouldn't mind seeing rogue or storm in their comic book outfits.......knowwhutimean?

  • LoL! You Perv. But Yeah I totally agree with you except that in the instance of warzone the Comic book was more realistic then the movie was.

  • the new movie sucks. i mean in the game(dunno how much it related to comics) john saint got send flying trough a window by a claymore wich shredded his face not by some kinda machine that destroys glass. also i don't really get how jigsaw can have a brother since in 2004 he was killed as first. the least they could do is make the storyline follow up a bit. they gotta make a new one with jane. and the kingpin and the yakuza and of course gnuccis/saints soldiers and the russian gotta come back.

  • The reason he didn't do it is because they tried to make Frank a hero, when he is originally an antihero.

  • Amen! Thomas Jane IS The Punisher! I liked Ray Stevenson alright as The Punisher, but Jane to me was better overall and was more grounded as the character. A proper sequel to the 2004 film needs to be made with Jane back.

  • i liked them both, i hated how you could barley see the skull on ray's chest. ray stevenson looked more like the original punisher, jane looked like the one from punisher max, i personally liked the jane 2004 one better because it had more of a story line, ray stevensons barely established him as a character, but it was more of a mindless dark killing machine like its suppose to be, i think if the used jane and made a sequal with him instead that would have been amazing

  • jane was better in my opinion ray was out of shape

  • Best world: Punisher 1989 (Dolph Lundgren)

    Best punisher´s character: Tomas Jane

    Best 2° characters: War Zone

    Best villans: Howart Saint (Jhon Travolta)

    My sintax is no good, but i realy think this.

    Greetins from Argentina.

  • War Zone is the worst history of punisher, poors characters and the most horrible punisher what never i see, Ray like an Italian boxer from the 50Th, Thomas is more realy character based in reality life (almost here in Argentine :P).

    Punisher is the most violence chareacter of Marvel, but this movie is to much violent for teens and so idiot for every us with poors FX

    My sintax is no good, but i realy think this.

    Greetins from Argentina.

  • Thomas Jane was the best Punisher ever. Ray did a good job, but Thomas Jane I think it nailed it head on. He seemed to fit in the persona much better. I was definitely pretty dissapointed that Jane wasn't in the new Punisher.

  • punisher - the best movie in the history of the earth

  • Ray Stevenson is Frank Castle. Thomas Jane is that guy who got shot by a shotgun in Boogie Nights. Sorry.

  • GUYS QUIT WINING!Thomas Jane left the "Punisher" project by himself! When he left, the chose Ray Stevenson to be the new one. In my opinion the new punisher is a lot better then the old one. GET OVER IT!

  • Fuck yeah. Stevenson's movie sucked soo bad. Worst movie since d-wars, seriously.

  • Yeah I think they lost a lot of fans with ray stevenson

  • Actually alot of fans like Stevensons portryal of the Punisher. Thomas Jane wasn't cut out to be the punisher.

  • But they gained a lot too. I think both actors gave a great performance.

  • who da fuck is dis stevenson guy, dey fucked up the movie by not havin thomas jane in it

  • Ray Stevenson played a roman legionnare in the HBO series ROME. He was great in that.

  • i agree he was such a bad ass in the first movie ray stevenson doesn't really fit the part in my opinion

  • you can't just say who you think fits the role better without really knowing the source material... look up Punisher MAX and Ray

    Stevenson looks so much more like the Punisher from the comics

  • It isn't JUST all about the Punisher MAX series though...

  • ok you're right... but the new movie was mostly based on the MAX series... so there.. he fit the MAX series perfectly

  • jane is the punisher.

    the only comic characters who beat him

    are batman and joker

  • Are you discussing wich one is the better Punisher Lookalike or who is the better Actor in this Role ? My Opinion (for the better Actor of Course) Tom Jane

  • no jane, no movie.. at least that is what I think

  • hes hawt as fuck!!!!

  • Cool it guys, it's just opinions... some people voice them louder and dumber than others.

    Other than that, War Zone is coming... Hope for the best and good luck to Mr. Stevenson.

  • "No Jane, No Movie" that says it all for me!

  • Are you mentally deficient?

  • No shit! Tom Jane is the Punisher! Jane rocked as the Punisher what the fuck?! Ray Stevenson?...?Wtf! We expected the sequel with Jane as the Punisher not some dude that looks like Mr.Bean! LionsGate and all the people that are responsble for this "Stevenson Punisher" should have done what ever they could to get Jane back to play the role. People say that the 2004 movie was to slow-paced but it did build you up for the sequel. Well, LionsGate decided to take the easy way out. Thanx guys.

  • Tom Jane rocked as the Punisher fuck stick. I should find out where you live so I can fucking knife you in your sleep. Seriously dude your mom called, she said to calm down and take your medication but actually the way it sounded with my dick in her mouth it sounded like "whah whah whah whah, whah whah whah!" Did you write to me while you had a bat in your ass? Calm down "fucko" its okay you can admit it Jane rocked as the Punisher.

  • I have to agree

    Thomas Jane was not a good Punisher

  • Its just personal preference. He kicked ass and so did Ray Stevenson.

  • @VenomousCarnage69 I know you said this a year ago... but I felt like raging over this comment. lol that scene you described *pokes people with popsickle to get info* is RIPPED STRAIGHT FROM PUNISHER WAR ZONE #1

    Which I own... along with many, many other comics.

  • I like Mr. Bean and I like the Punisher. Why not cast Rowan Atkinson in the next Punisher film? This isn't revenge, this is Mr. Bean's Holiday!

  • Hot

  • Frank Castle is dead. Thomas Jane is Punisher.

  • Ray Stevenson is The Punisher. Fuck Thomas Lame. Ray looks way better as the Punisher hands down. Why don't all you Jane followers go and join his fan club already as stop whining about him not being in this new and better movie. Get over it. Ray is and always will be the Punisher.

  • kinda reminds me of johnny messner

  • Yeah, I can see that.

  • he looks like mike rowe

  • Tom Jane is hot as hell!

  • He fits perfectly in teh character, it's like hi was born to be frank castle, hey but, does sombady Know why he was fired?

  • He wasn't fired. He quit because he wasn't happy with the script.

    I'm really glad the next Punisher movie is not a sequel to this one...I hate it when they change the actor for the main character in sequels...unless the first actor was horrible.

  • the next one is the sequel..... :(

  • Dude, trust me. Check Wikipedia, it'll say that it's not a sequel.

  • HE was a good frank castle.He wasnt fired,Jonathan Hensleigh(Director of the 1st punisher)quit.Tom Jane walked off shortly after,there was alot of fucking around with scripts.

  • Thomas Jane is & always will be the best Punisher!

  • Dude you are right on the money. Thomas Jane will always be the best Punisher.

  • damn rock solid fucking casting! jane was perfect did an excellent job! he will be missed....

  • he was not as big as frank castle but he convinced you he was frank castle but i just hope this new guy they got can do just as good but he wont do better but lets face it look how many times they swaped actors for the batman movies. oh and they have a terminator series so why not chronicals of Frank castle

  • I saw War Zone last week. Incredible.

  • Can't picture any other actor playing the punisher, Thomas Jane just has the look, muscle & the voice!

    It's shit that he's not in Punisher 2 but i heard Lionsgate wanted to make the punisher more soft and change his character altogether, so i think thats the reason Jane turned it down.

    I also think he didn't like the script!

  • you mean the punisher 3 cuz back in the 80s there was a version wit dolph lundgren (ivan drago from rocky 4) so the one with tom jane is actually the punisher 2, its a common mistake

  • we need some punishers irl.. quick someone start a group!