Why should theists care about religion in govt. even as Jesus said to "render unto Caesar," and "don't pray in public as the hypocrites do," etc? Because deep down they know that *Jesus was wrong*; that a fair game allows people to fill in the blanks with more reasonable philosophical representation for their moral selves.
In Matthew 6:5-7, Yeshua instructed people to pray in private. Public organized prayer cannot be fair to other faiths, unless you then want the kids to pray to Allah, then Christna, then do a Buddhist meditation, then Hindu, then dang... you have really pissed off the Athiests.
Wait till little Billy tells his parents that he prayed to Allah ihn school! How about ten minutes silence to calm down at the start of the day when the kids are too pumped to teach anyways.
because, if you have a public prayer to a specific deity, people not of that faith are forced to pray to a god they dont follow. kind of goes against the 1st amendment. if they had a school wide islamic prayer, everyone would freak out and say islam is taking over america. but since they are christians its diffrent?
plus, prayer does nothing. it just makes people think they are doing something and helping without them having to actually do anything.
I thought we had freedom of religion in this country. He is the principal of that high school. I did not see the children forced to pray. I saw them being intolerant and disrespectful. Christians such as the principal have freedom of religion too. The crowd was not forced to pray or even come to this event or stay at this event. The school board and the world is free to fire all the Christians and hire Aethist, transvestite, drunkard to educate.
sure, the students werent forced to go, even though it is a school assembly. and 'god' forbid students are disrespectful to someone breaking a federal law. if people want to pray in school they do it discreetly, not hold a school wide meeting.
think of it this way. if the principal was a muslim doing a islamic prayer, then the media and parents would be all over this, saying that islam is taking over america.
@AceofDiamonds0 - Until it happens don't judge. I know what happens when you pray in public to the God of the universe. We've seen testimony of that from east coast to left coast.
God bless all who paid the heavy price for our God given freedoms and their families.
God Bless you, and every American this Memorial Day.
@stpkeaton I asked you what what happens when you pray in public and about the testimonies "we've" seen where prayers have worked. You directed me to a secular website which does nothing to answer those questions.
You can't be forced to pray. That's like saying you can be forced to think differently, which I will not try to do. I believe that prayer is speaking to God. That and His love are the only things in this world that cannot be taken from me.
Jesus was a Jew Jesus was black Jesus was a homosexual it's in the bible that settles it. christian hate every that Jesus was if a christian hates something it's something Jesus was
I have nothing wrong with Christians praying in public and practicing their beliefs, as a matter of fact, I think its a good idea. However, what I wont tolerate is when people try to press lifestyle choices on others.
@TheSuperAtheist My daughter goes to a Christian school, and they pray every day in school....Funny that you mentioned that, because the number of children that attend this school triples every four years. More and more kids are leaving the public school system and attend a vastly more advance educational environment than that of the public school system. Every other country is kicking our butt, when it comes to education. But check the studies on Christian schools and you find out otherwise.
@rmaynard626 That's wonderful!!! I wish more radical Christians would follow in your steps. I think that all Christians who feel it's essential to pray out loud, so everyone can hear and see how pious and holy they are, should go to a private Christian school. This way, they get to pray in their school, and my children don't have to be subjected to this kind of theological indoctrination.
@MyGrammarRules I guarantee you this would not be a debate if Hindu's and Buddhist were to chant and meditate before a game. The prayer of those atheletes were by them and for them. Why should you care if they do pray. I hear kids cursing and using obscene jestures throughout the day and no one is offended at that or attempts to correct them. Something is screwed up there....
@rmaynard626 You are 100% right when you say that "this would not be a debate if Hindu[s] and Buddhist[s] were to chant and meditate before a game" because there's about 0.001% chance that either of those groups would ever be allowed to pray out loud in that setting. I don't really understand the correlation between prayer and foul language. Maybe instead of blaming it on lack of religion, the parents of those children should be held responsible for what they are teaching their children.
@MyGrammarRules The correlation between prayer in schools and foul language in school is that foul language is more readily acceptable. You rarely see a person ridicule another for using foul language, which is negative, but more so ridicule a prayer, which is positive. You don't see the irony in that?
@rmaynard626 It's about as ironic as the fact that smart "nerdy" kids (positive) get picked on while the popular "jocks" who are barely passing their classes (negative) do not. Moreover, I can't think of a single school in which foul language is simply tolerated. Kids get in trouble for using curse words at school when they are caught. There are plenty of things for which kids are ridiculed. I can assure you, kids from other religions are picked on far more than Christians, though.
@bttrflykiss7701 Because foul language is offensive. If I were to use foul language at you, would you be offended? YES... What makes prayer GOOD, because it is edifying. People are generally not offended when you pray for someone.
@rmaynard626 I am sometimes offended by foul language... if it is directly relating me to some negative concept. But really, I don't really understand why "words" are considered "foul."
If I prayed to Allah that you converted to Islam, and that Allah is god and Muhammed is his prophet, and if you believe in Christianity you are going to hell... what would you say?
@bttrflykiss7701 No... What Iyou believe in has no bearing on what Ib elieve in. You can't get into heaven by knowing anyone except Christ Jesus. Therefore, If a muslim prays out loud to Allah, I'm not offended, nor do I care. It is for each person to work out their salvation.
@rmaynard626 You obviously aren't getting the point. Of course there's no objection to any student wants to meditate/pray/what-have-you before a game. The difference somes when it is school sponsored. That administrator/teacher or whoever he was, was subjecting every single student to his belief system in a public school. THAT is not right. How would you honestly feel if an administrator stood up at your child's school and prayed to Allah and asked Allah to guide and protect them?
Anyone is free to pray at school on their own--it's a private issue. What is not allowed is for school staff to promote or endorse a specific religion. Why?-- because they are agents of the government which must remain neutral and impartial toward all religious faith to protect everyones rights to hold differing beliefs.
What would his defenders say if the principal was praying an Islamic prayer instead?
Hey Asshole....Jesus thinks you're a hypocrite: 5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. Matthew 6:5-6
Now THIS is the type of rebel who would make a good role model for children. A rebel with a proper, moral cause.Get God BACK in our schools. Ever since prayer was taken out of school, teen pregnancy, stds, drug use, depression, suicide have gone up, educational achievement has declined.
@ChristianMission your fake god will never get back into schools....we will never let it happen. Things are going to get harder for christians over the next few years!!
@ChristianMission Awesome!!! It'll be just like in biblical times when incest, slavery, and mass genocide was rampant, all because of God's divine instruction!
@ChristianMission Yes, I agree. We need him to pray to his god, and we need to get some Muslims to say prayers to Allah. We need a Hindu priest to pray to all their gods. Then, we could have a bunch of pagans to say their prayers. After that, we could have a Buddhist lead a meditation. Once all that's over, we may even have a minute or two to actually educated the kids, but if we don't, that's okay! It's not like that's why we send our kids to school anyway, right?
Here's the rule with religion and the US government as regarding in all cases school and non-school. The acts of relgion or non-relgion shall not be required by the USA nor prohibited by the USA. This is essentially what the first amendment states about religion.
The school did not require the students to pray with the principal nor did the state or the nation. Nor is the act of prayer by anyone to be prohibited in this nation. Needless to say this act was perfectly legal. Wheter or not you like it is beyond the point.
@gunzrkewl Neither did he give any other religion the opportunity to be represented. Let's not forget that our tax dollars pay for this school. As such, it is constitutionally unsound to promote one religion over another.
@gunzrkewl Once, a senate meeting allowed a Hindu priest to open their session with his prayer. Needless to say, that didn't go very well. He never made it though the prayer because of all the Jesus freaks yelling out and being generally disruptive and intolerant. This school is supported by tax dollars paid, in part, by citizens of other religions or no religion. He has no right to promote his religion without allowing other groups to be equally represented. That's what he did wrong!
@inquiry10 He has the right to freedom of religion and the students have the right not to participate in it, so you're wrong. Oh, and find the words seperation of church and state in the constitution.
Prayer or any religious activity has to be student led and no parent, guardian,teacher or principle can enact it.
If you do not believe me on this then I would suggest you study the rules regarding public schools and religious organized prayer.
As to the whole separation of church and state not being word for word...pathetic straw man argument I dismiss it as either shear stupidity on your part or simple ignorance of your own laws.
@inquiry10 The only thing the first amendment says about religion and I quote. "the United States shall make no law respecting the establishment of a religion or prohibiting the act thereof" So tell me how does a school led prayer violate this?
On top of all that the organization is called Americans for the separation of church and state. This is a legal center similar to the ACLU and others that prosecute cases like this and maintain the governments neutrality in religion.
@inquiry10 Funny enough the words seperation of church and state or never found in the constitution. If you don't believe me read it! The amendment states. The United States shall make no law respecting the establishment of a religion or prohibitting the act thereof.
@gunzrkewl you are so wrong. Let him pray on his own time. This religious ritual is EXCLUSIONARY. A principal has no right to such actions as a public employee. Haven't you heard of separation of church and state? Look up the writings of Thomas Jefferson on the subject. No public employee, certainly one in charge of children, has any right whatsoever to conduct a sectarian prayer before the school body. I rest my case.
@turningofthetide1 The only time prayer in school is unconstitutional is when a school board/district policy/state law requires it. The principal has freedom of religion to so don't forget that. And the words seperation of church and state don't appear in the US constitution.
@gunzrkewl This principal was clearly promoting one religion to the exclusion of all others and he is therefore in the wrong. Although the words "separation of church and state" do not appear in the constitution, the amendments to the constitution and the rulings of many judges over the years indicate quite clearly that such a separation is to be maintained. "Freedom of Speech" does not and should not apply in all circumstances.
@turningofthetide1 Well he also has freedom of religion as well as the students right not to participate is valid. Nothing here violates the establishment clause.
You obviously do not understand that my justification for the principles actions being illegal has nothing what soever to do with the separation of church and state being found in the constitution.
I will explain 1 more time then I am done.
It has to do with the legal presidents set down by supreme court regarding sectarian prayers in a public school given by the administration as unconstitutional.
@TheHigherVoltage See the point I was making was that this was a christian prayer to God, which btw our country was founded upon those morals, not muslim morals or satanists, or any other. But anyway, the point is, he wasn't harming anyone by praying to God, they didn't have to pray with him, he has freedom of speach and you can't compare christianity to other religions because christianity isn't really a religion, it is the act of following Jesus Christ who is Gods Son.
Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith. from our point of view as representatives of the state, we need believing people. - Adolf Hitler
you sir use a distorted history book that makes it seem like they werent christian. most history books now a days leave out a lot of information on how our fonding fathers were christian. Here are three genuine history books with moer than just a bit of evidence showing how our fathers were christian.
@Gahuki44 Well I guess if the GOD haters, the Jews and all other non Christians don't like they can just remember that at this time we are supposed to have freedom of speech in this country. Could you please explain to me how having the Bible, school prayer is hurting children. I guess in your viewpoint its alright to have Harry Potter books in schools but not the Bible.
@whiteyvanpeebles You're a cyberstalker. How does it make you feel to know that you are just weeks away from getting kicked off youtyube? Are you scared?
he never told any one that they have to believe what he believes. If they don't believe in the God who he is praying to, why does it hurt them if "he doesn't exist?"
It was also our founding fathers who wrote into the constitution the seperation fo church and state, not so govenrment could keep religeon out of places but so governement would stay out of religeon all together. They were afraid of a governemtn sanctioned religeon like they had in England
E-you are the one who needs to do some history learn'n. Our founding fathers wrote about the divine inspriration they received in crafting the only democratic government that has lasted this long. you are right, some courts have removed the 10 commandments, but they started out being there, what does that tell you...that our country has drifted from its religous roots. There have been men throughout history that have dispised the constitution and have done things to destroy it. its about gone
@marshan3q I don't recall seeing any of the 10 Commandments in the US Constitution. In fact, I don't recall seeing any references to any religion in the US Constitution. So, until you know what you're talking about, shut the fuck up.
@JimmyFaust Nice language!! so great to have a dialog on this issue with such a civil person with such maturity! You are so right. the founders did not place the actual verbiage from the commandments. But they did build much of the consttutions pronciples around those laws. And if that was not the intent then explain why "every" court house had them in their buildings, etched into their walls and arches. Onlynow that we are so secular are we removing them.
@marshan3q Fuck you very much. One would think, if the Founding Fathers held the Ten Commandments in such high regard, that they would have made some reference--any reference at all--to them in the Constitution. They didn't. So sorry. Please tell me how our country was founded on the principles of not worshiping graven images, not working on the Sabbath, or not wanting to bang your friend's wife.
And high V,,,our system of laws is clearly based on the Christian moral foundation, hence all the court houses with the 10 coammandments in them. What do you think they are there for, what do you think they are referencing?? I do agree with one of your statements..we as a nation have absolutely drifted away from everything Jesus taught. Forgiveness of sin is one thing, tolerance of sin is another...
Your system of laws are NOT based on Christian values. They're based on SECULAR values; the same values your country was founded on. You're American, you're supposed to know this stuff.
By the way, the ten commandments have been removed from many court houses. Your Supreme Court has even gotten involved, taking the side that they should be barred from courtrooms and courthouses.
You are correct flappity..Congress shall make no law. If
Congress would stick to the constitution we wouldn't be having this discussion. The 10th amendment claerly is about states rights, so if my state wanted to adopt a state religeon it could, in fact there are some original states that did that. Its not about the govetnement, its about the people. What you cited was an attempt by the founders to simply keep Government out of religeon period!!!
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." If you violate this right, you are not American. Shut the fuck up already and get the fuck out of our country. Don't yell out "freedom" if you are against this amendment. Don't feel heroic when you make jokes against it. Again, just shut the fuck up. Trying to make excuses in regards to why prayer in school should not be included in schools is a violation of the 1st amendment. Fuck off!
And in that mandate was never the intention of seperation of church and state the way it has morphed today. Everyone regardless of belief should be allowed to pray in school. Religeous scriptures should not be removed from courthouses.
@marshan3q You say "religious scriptures should not be removed"...they should've never been added in the first place.
The legal system is not based on Christianity. If it was, we would not be asked to swear on a bible. Jesus said "do not swear on/to anything at all". He also said "those who pray in public are hypocrites".
But of course...Christians only want to pretend to "follow Jesus"...instead going against everything he ever supposedly said.
Thats not what that passage means #1. Outloud prayer is fine if it is not merely for the benefit of being heard is what He was saying...2nd, if you knew your history you woulod kinow that this country was absolutley founded on Christian principles by God fearing men. All Beleived in Christianity, only a couple had issues with the divinity of Jesus. The one thing you did get right was the constiution prohibiting the Federal gov imposing a religeon on its people.
“And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. ...when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen....And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words." Matthew 6.
@TheHigherVoltage the thing is, are country was built on the christian religion, i'm just saying what i believe in. Why all have freedom of speech you know.
@marshan3q ah...The first amendment in the Constitution prohibits the establishment of a national religion. The word "Creator" is used, and not "God" or "Jesus" in the Declaration of Independence to stamp the point home - that there is no one religion on which America was founded, nor is there one religion that is recognized more than another.
This "America was founded a Christian nation" idea only started up in the 1950s - and is essentially treason against the founding fathers.
@marshan3q You're right! We should offend other people's religious beliefs in order to satisfy your Christian need to have every school praying to your bullshit 2000 kike god. Get a fucking life and clue.
@KingMacintosh: I'm not Christian. Nor do I believe in any God or Gods. You typical cliche band wagon follower of the mainstream. I believe in pure freedom. Everyone in the United States is free to practice what the fuck they want whenever they want. Need we restate the Bill of Rights to you? Should I do it in sign language for you? "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." If you disagree, you must get the fuck out of the country. Actually, you should be arrested.
@FlappityFlipFlop I don't follow the mainstream... Omfg... America is a shithole infested by Jews and Christianity, and the mainstream bleeds bias. I'm not stupid. I respect the constitution and I love the king of freedom and seperation of church and state, Thomas Jefferson, who Christians and Jews and succeeding successfully in censoring. We, coincidentally, however, hear more about the liberal's personal gods, Abraham Racist Liberal Against-America's real constitution Lincoln, and Gandhi...
"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without religious foundation is built on air; consequently all character training and religion must be derived from faith". -- Adolf hitler
It's just a prayer. You people need to calm down. He didn't say anything negative to anyone. If you aren't a believer or follower of Christ, then at least appreciate that this man was wishing those students the best. He wan't forcing a Bible down anyone's throat, he simply prayed for them and their futures. There is nothing wrong with a prayer. Please stop being so judgemental, it's not an appealing trait.
Funny how people seem to complain when just a prayer is shed, whilst if there is much more other things in this world that is far worser than prayer. Now I see that you don't understand this. My point is what I said above. Many people complain about tiny issues that are far uneccesary to make something big deal out of it, whilst wars and others getting killed for their beleif is much more important having a focuse on. My point of view, now I'm done with this discussion. Have a goodnight! ;-) :-)
I like the fact that this good man had the courage to close his eyes (step into his closet) and pray to the GOD of Abraham & Isaac, blessings on those unappreciative students. The only reason unbelievers and rock worshippers have a problem with this is they are to proud to admit that they are wrong.
@USAFreedomReform WHY? It is something written by biased people of God. It has no credibility to a person born an Atheist. I hate to scare people of God, but we are being born this way, with advanced DNA. I knew at age 9 when I first heard about Noah's Ark that it is NOT REAL.
I like the fact that this good man had the courage to close his eyes (step into his closet) and pray to the GOD of Abraham & Isaac, blessings on those unappreciative students. The only reason unbelievers and rock worshippers have a problem with this is they are to proud to admit that they are wrong.
I like the fact that this good man had the courage to close his eyes (step into his closet) and pray to the GOD of Abraham & Isaac, blessings on those unappreciative students. The only reason unbelievers and rock worshippers have a problem with this is they are to proud to admit that they are wrong.
@SylviaPenguin The students actually make a valid and intelligent point. Public schools are institutions, run by and funded by public government. The government exists to serve all of us and has no business endorsing one religion over another. The principal has every right to privately preach his religious beliefs. As an agent of a PUBLIC school has no such right to preach them within the institution he serves. Would you be as supportive if he were instead conducting an Islamic prayer?
Yeah, I guess that every country are to do what the government says, so in Islamic countries they can kill you when you come for vacation there because you don't beleive in Allah, and because you might walk around on the beach in bikini... If the government would tell them so, we'd then say; "It is for your own risk going to any Islamic country" ;-) You said, there is no own freedom in speech, so, let everyone choose what they want in each country, and follow after it! :-)
@sweetsweatyfeet, and now, what would be worse: To shed a prayer to God, or to get killed because you don't beleive in one? ;-) Still, if the government says so, we are to follow it, right? ;-)
@SylviaPenguin That's not what I said. I said that the principal (as a PUBLIC school board employee) is acting as an AGENT of government. In this setting he has no right to endorse or preach his PERSONAL religious views to students at a PUBLIC school. Privately, on his own he does, but not as an agent of the public schools. So my question still stands--if you support his right to broadcast Christian prayer to his students, would you still support him if he were broadcasting a Moslem prayer?
@sweetsweatyfeet, I don't think a prayer does so much harm to people. If the other teachers at that school would say yes to that, I like a student must just obey to the school. When I went to school I didn't agree with everything there, but still, we as students just had to do what the teachers said or planned.
@SylviaPenguin What if they the principal was moslem and giving moslem prayers?--would you still support it? No one has the right to impose their personal religion on others (students included). This is not about authority; this about the right to be free state imposed religion. In order to protect everyones religious belief including atheism, the government itself must operate as a secular institution; which means it should stay out of the business of religion.
@sweetsweatyfeet, but still, you didn't answer my question too. Would you say that a prayer is as equal harmful like if someone would kill you for not beleiving in their god? What is best, to hear someone pray, or to get shot because you don't beleive in a certain god/gods?
@SylviaPenguin, The issue here is government staying out of the religious business vs school prayer. You now raise the question of being killed for one's belief???? What the hell are you even talking about and what does it have to do with the issue under discussion?
I would kick those kids ass for not praying along. I say prayer should be aloud in schools thats stupid bitch that took it off is in hell right now for that.
How compassionate, torturing someone for not agreeing with you. Why should those kids, some of which may be jewish, muslim, agnostic, atheist or otherwise, have to follow along in a christian prayer?
@Phyerbyrd To lead in prayer (what this man was doing) means just that. If any one else in the building wanted to pray as he prayed, they could. Even to who they believe they are supposed to pray to.Thats AMERICA BABY, we have the FREEDOM to pray or not to pray. That is the answer to all humanity. FREEDOM !! LET IT RING !!
If it's ok for the state to beseech the heavens in public education then you shouldn't have any qualms having your kid educated in a madrasah in Pakistan.
mathew 5"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
Fuck it's a free country, he can pray if he wants to, the kids are smart enough to not join him, he could pray to Satan and it would be perfectly fine too.
@alexfanx Never followed the crowd on that either. I am against drugs also. Sorry to be such a moral Atheist. Belief in a God, which I do not have, does not make me do what is right.
@USAFreedomReform NO God or prayers in school.........or ANY government land or building. Never heard of SEPERATION of church and state? It IS against the law. Keep your stupid beliefs in your house or church. NOT legal on government property. IF someone wanted to file a lawsuit, they would win. Supreme Court is adamant on no prayers or mention of ANY God on government property.
@Karoke77 Where does the constitution say any thing about No God And No Prayers in government buildings. The supreme court upholds this, Congress shall pass no law establishing any form of religion, or pass a law prohibiting the free exercise there of ............... So individually I can pray anywhere I choose, and best of all GOD GOES WHERE GOD WANTS TO GO, just because silly men think they are in charge doesn't keep GOD out. I bet the devil is there TOO.
@USAFreedomReform There is no devil...or God. Atheists are sick of adults having an imaginary friend and a cult of fiction. WHAT went wrong with our species? Why are only a few (Atheists) born with the proper DNA to not get trapped by cults of fantasy? YOU REALLY THINK THERE IS A DEVIL? Scary that adults are so superstitious.
@Karoke77 Yep, I too am astonished people can believe such transparently obvious bullshit. Though I respect everyone's right to their beliefs, I can react like a crazed wolverine whenever Christian fundies use hell threats in debate. In my opinion it's the worst, most disgusting thing about the Christian cult--that some (not all) believers are reduced to despicable fear tactics as tools of persuasion. Do they think it works? -- it doesn't, it only fills most atheists with even greater contempt.
@sweetsweatyfeet Yeah.......these Jesus cultists think we are devil worshippers or an agent of satan. Do they not understand that an Atheist does not believe in hell or the devil either. WHY are some humans so naive and STUPID to believe in fairy tales? They have NO self-confidence, they just fit in with the crowd. I am more of a loner, so I could care less what other HUMANS think about a silly creator. WHO made their silly God? "MAGIC!"
@Karoke77 The Christian belief system at some point seems to cripple the critical thinking of some believers. This is what happens when Christians let the scriptures do their thinking for them. They lose the capacity to judge, question or think independently. As a result you find them rationalizing and defending the most ludicrous claims, moral atrocities and unbelievable stories because--"it's in the bible" so "it must be true". It serves to remind you why you are an atheist.
@sweetsweatyfeet Yes..."God" told them so.......WHEN? LOL! Or they witnessed a miracle. Or the earth cannot be without a creator. Or they say..." just look outside, see the hand of the creator in the lakes and hills?" THEY never question dead babies or earthquakes or tsunamis...".just part of God's plan." LOL!
It is like trying to talk to a 2 year old......not fun or easy.
@Karoke77 Are you familar with "The Prince, the power of the air"?GOD gets the blame for all these terrible events, but what if it wasn't GOD and Satan was behind the babies being killed, earthquakes, and tsunamis?
@USAFreedomReform No clue what "The Prince...." is. I AM AN ATHEIST BY BIRTH. Never had a desire to pick up religious books. THERE IS NO SATAN. Grow up. HOW do you people believe this fairy tale? So silly. WHY does not your God kill Satan? Your bible is a children's fable written by HUMANS. I am so glad I was born an Atheist. BUT it is sad to see less advanced humans trapped in children's fables.
@Karoke77 Watch this series on you tube. It tells how we and our children are being lied to just to suit the needs of those who not believe. THE SILENCING OF GOD.
Christianity is a Doomsday Cult. But maybe religion should be taught in school-teaching the Truth about it. The Crusades, The Inquisition, Jim Jones, David Koresh-the bible itself indicating a predisposition toward violence. People whom opposed these cults of Christianity, like the inhabitants of the new world were raped & murdered by these people. Religionism is a root of war (Christian or Muslim) these people are terrorists, threatening humanity and futures child. They should be arrested.
He has the freedom of speech sure. But first and forthmost he is a teacher /admistrator which means he has a captive aduience that has to listen. It is his responsibility as an adult and authority figure to look out for every student even the ones who don't believe as he does. Imagine a perfectly happy ceremoniy and then suddenly a person you have trusted and respected starts praying it feel very uncomfortable ,I know. You feel alone and cut out which for children is somewhat tramatic.
@CMSereneify i call bullshit on that, the kids don't care about being left out, the kids are assholes, plain and simple. it's not about the prayer, it's about the media and government brainwashing people into making prayer a bad unacceptable thing, it's fucking rediculous, sorry for my language, but i can't be nice right now, so many people sending themselves to hell, and no one ever listens, no matter how much i try.
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Why should theists care about religion in govt. even as Jesus said to "render unto Caesar," and "don't pray in public as the hypocrites do," etc? Because deep down they know that *Jesus was wrong*; that a fair game allows people to fill in the blanks with more reasonable philosophical representation for their moral selves.
gatogreensleeves 1 day ago
In Matthew 6:5-7, Yeshua instructed people to pray in private. Public organized prayer cannot be fair to other faiths, unless you then want the kids to pray to Allah, then Christna, then do a Buddhist meditation, then Hindu, then dang... you have really pissed off the Athiests.
Wait till little Billy tells his parents that he prayed to Allah ihn school! How about ten minutes silence to calm down at the start of the day when the kids are too pumped to teach anyways.
Leave it at that!
astrofrk 3 weeks ago
PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOL, YEAH PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOL..
WERE YOU SHOULD ALL BE BLESSED & PRAYED FOR NONE THE LESS, PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOL! YEAH..
They seem very ungrateful.. Even if you believe in God or not..
TimGreenStudio 2 months ago
Amen
ChronicCaptivation 3 months ago
@BlackPhantom559 or just maybe lose his job... more appropriate.. liberals usually don't go armed to public events..
daNDayati 3 months ago
Did you sue?
SanguineBullet667 5 months ago
I wouldn't have waited for him to finish. I would have stood up and yelled at him as soon as he started. That man should be fired.
myteethareshiny 7 months ago
Why do prayers offend people?
stpkeaton 8 months ago
@stpkeaton
because, if you have a public prayer to a specific deity, people not of that faith are forced to pray to a god they dont follow. kind of goes against the 1st amendment. if they had a school wide islamic prayer, everyone would freak out and say islam is taking over america. but since they are christians its diffrent?
plus, prayer does nothing. it just makes people think they are doing something and helping without them having to actually do anything.
AceofDiamonds0 8 months ago
I thought we had freedom of religion in this country. He is the principal of that high school. I did not see the children forced to pray. I saw them being intolerant and disrespectful. Christians such as the principal have freedom of religion too. The crowd was not forced to pray or even come to this event or stay at this event. The school board and the world is free to fire all the Christians and hire Aethist, transvestite, drunkard to educate.
Have at it, remove all Christians from society.
stpkeaton 8 months ago
@stpkeaton
sure, the students werent forced to go, even though it is a school assembly. and 'god' forbid students are disrespectful to someone breaking a federal law. if people want to pray in school they do it discreetly, not hold a school wide meeting.
think of it this way. if the principal was a muslim doing a islamic prayer, then the media and parents would be all over this, saying that islam is taking over america.
AceofDiamonds0 8 months ago
@AceofDiamonds0 - Until it happens don't judge. I know what happens when you pray in public to the God of the universe. We've seen testimony of that from east coast to left coast.
God bless all who paid the heavy price for our God given freedoms and their families.
God Bless you, and every American this Memorial Day.
stpkeaton 8 months ago
@stpkeaton --"I know what happens when you pray in public to the God of the universe. We've seen testimony of that from east coast to left coast."
What do you know happens and what testimonies have 'we' seen?
NiNj4xNUTZz 8 months ago
@NiNj4xNUTZz - ffrf.org/news/
stpkeaton 8 months ago
@stpkeaton You directed me to a secular website?????
NiNj4xNUTZz 8 months ago
@NiNj4xNUTZz so whats your point? I don't live in a secular country. I live in a free country.
stpkeaton 7 months ago
@stpkeaton I asked you what what happens when you pray in public and about the testimonies "we've" seen where prayers have worked. You directed me to a secular website which does nothing to answer those questions.
NiNj4xNUTZz 7 months ago
@NiNj4xNUTZz - exactly
stpkeaton 7 months ago
@AceofDiamonds0
You can't be forced to pray. That's like saying you can be forced to think differently, which I will not try to do. I believe that prayer is speaking to God. That and His love are the only things in this world that cannot be taken from me.
Metallica102938 7 months ago
@Metallica102938 your mediation and imagination are indeed your own.... we will just keep it from being sanctioned in schools
daNDayati 3 months ago
@stpkeaton
because they're afraid, angry, or they know something is wrong.
Metallica102938 7 months ago
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Jesus was a Jew Jesus was black Jesus was a homosexual it's in the bible that settles it. christian hate every that Jesus was if a christian hates something it's something Jesus was
starscreamdakmo 8 months ago
I have nothing wrong with Christians praying in public and practicing their beliefs, as a matter of fact, I think its a good idea. However, what I wont tolerate is when people try to press lifestyle choices on others.
YouthFreedomFighters 9 months ago
How totally homogeneous does a town have to be for this to be possible? It's unthinkable where I live.
Gnickk 9 months ago
This is like what happens in Iranian schools.
JesusSatanAllah 10 months ago
If that's a public school, he should be fired.
BritandEmSHOW 1 year ago
@squid4947 Oh you precious baby.
1954phyllis 1 year ago
@squid4947 If the Bible isn't allowed in schools than the Harry Potter books shouldn't be allowed in them either.
1954phyllis 1 year ago
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Doesn't bible forbid public prayer? Matt 6:5
Acrimonator 1 year ago
This is unconstitutional and ILLEGAL, he should be suspended without pay.
SanguineBullet667 1 year ago
Awesome!!!! I'm glad to see that... We need more principles like that in schools! :)
rmaynard626 1 year ago
@rmaynard626 Actually we do not need any dillusional principals with imaginary friends polluting these young kid's minds and breaking the law.
TheSuperAtheist 1 year ago
@TheSuperAtheist My daughter goes to a Christian school, and they pray every day in school....Funny that you mentioned that, because the number of children that attend this school triples every four years. More and more kids are leaving the public school system and attend a vastly more advance educational environment than that of the public school system. Every other country is kicking our butt, when it comes to education. But check the studies on Christian schools and you find out otherwise.
rmaynard626 1 year ago
@rmaynard626 That's wonderful!!! I wish more radical Christians would follow in your steps. I think that all Christians who feel it's essential to pray out loud, so everyone can hear and see how pious and holy they are, should go to a private Christian school. This way, they get to pray in their school, and my children don't have to be subjected to this kind of theological indoctrination.
MyGrammarRules 1 year ago
@MyGrammarRules I guarantee you this would not be a debate if Hindu's and Buddhist were to chant and meditate before a game. The prayer of those atheletes were by them and for them. Why should you care if they do pray. I hear kids cursing and using obscene jestures throughout the day and no one is offended at that or attempts to correct them. Something is screwed up there....
rmaynard626 1 year ago
@rmaynard626 You are 100% right when you say that "this would not be a debate if Hindu[s] and Buddhist[s] were to chant and meditate before a game" because there's about 0.001% chance that either of those groups would ever be allowed to pray out loud in that setting. I don't really understand the correlation between prayer and foul language. Maybe instead of blaming it on lack of religion, the parents of those children should be held responsible for what they are teaching their children.
MyGrammarRules 1 year ago
@MyGrammarRules The correlation between prayer in schools and foul language in school is that foul language is more readily acceptable. You rarely see a person ridicule another for using foul language, which is negative, but more so ridicule a prayer, which is positive. You don't see the irony in that?
rmaynard626 1 year ago
@rmaynard626 It's about as ironic as the fact that smart "nerdy" kids (positive) get picked on while the popular "jocks" who are barely passing their classes (negative) do not. Moreover, I can't think of a single school in which foul language is simply tolerated. Kids get in trouble for using curse words at school when they are caught. There are plenty of things for which kids are ridiculed. I can assure you, kids from other religions are picked on far more than Christians, though.
MyGrammarRules 1 year ago
@rmaynard626 Why is foul language "negative" and prayer "positive"? What makes foul language "foul"? What makes prayer "good"?
bttrflykiss7701 10 months ago
@bttrflykiss7701 Because foul language is offensive. If I were to use foul language at you, would you be offended? YES... What makes prayer GOOD, because it is edifying. People are generally not offended when you pray for someone.
rmaynard626 10 months ago
@rmaynard626 I am sometimes offended by foul language... if it is directly relating me to some negative concept. But really, I don't really understand why "words" are considered "foul."
If I prayed to Allah that you converted to Islam, and that Allah is god and Muhammed is his prophet, and if you believe in Christianity you are going to hell... what would you say?
bttrflykiss7701 10 months ago
@bttrflykiss7701 No... What Iyou believe in has no bearing on what Ib elieve in. You can't get into heaven by knowing anyone except Christ Jesus. Therefore, If a muslim prays out loud to Allah, I'm not offended, nor do I care. It is for each person to work out their salvation.
rmaynard626 10 months ago
@rmaynard626 Well put.
YouthFreedomFighters 9 months ago
@rmaynard626 You obviously aren't getting the point. Of course there's no objection to any student wants to meditate/pray/what-have-you before a game. The difference somes when it is school sponsored. That administrator/teacher or whoever he was, was subjecting every single student to his belief system in a public school. THAT is not right. How would you honestly feel if an administrator stood up at your child's school and prayed to Allah and asked Allah to guide and protect them?
bttrflykiss7701 10 months ago
Anyone is free to pray at school on their own--it's a private issue. What is not allowed is for school staff to promote or endorse a specific religion. Why?-- because they are agents of the government which must remain neutral and impartial toward all religious faith to protect everyones rights to hold differing beliefs.
What would his defenders say if the principal was praying an Islamic prayer instead?
sweetsweatyfeet 1 year ago
Hey Asshole....Jesus thinks you're a hypocrite: 5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. Matthew 6:5-6
TheTazTN 1 year ago
@TheTazTN That's interesting, comparing the school principal to a Pharisee.
niuchemist 1 year ago
Now THIS is the type of rebel who would make a good role model for children. A rebel with a proper, moral cause.Get God BACK in our schools. Ever since prayer was taken out of school, teen pregnancy, stds, drug use, depression, suicide have gone up, educational achievement has declined.
ChristianMission 1 year ago
@ChristianMission your fake god will never get back into schools....we will never let it happen. Things are going to get harder for christians over the next few years!!
TheSuperAtheist 1 year ago
@TheSuperAtheist , and thus society will further degrade into a cesspool of immorality, filth, depravity, disease and death.
ChristianMission 1 year ago
@ChristianMission Awesome!!! It'll be just like in biblical times when incest, slavery, and mass genocide was rampant, all because of God's divine instruction!
MyGrammarRules 1 year ago
@ChristianMission Yes, I agree. We need him to pray to his god, and we need to get some Muslims to say prayers to Allah. We need a Hindu priest to pray to all their gods. Then, we could have a bunch of pagans to say their prayers. After that, we could have a Buddhist lead a meditation. Once all that's over, we may even have a minute or two to actually educated the kids, but if we don't, that's okay! It's not like that's why we send our kids to school anyway, right?
MyGrammarRules 1 year ago
I heard a prayer in school. Whannnnn! I'm a cry baby!
gunzrkewl 1 year ago
Hey left-wing goon there ain't nothing you can do about and you'll never get a court date to sue this guy so shut-up!
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gunzrkewl 1 year ago
Here's the rule with religion and the US government as regarding in all cases school and non-school. The acts of relgion or non-relgion shall not be required by the USA nor prohibited by the USA. This is essentially what the first amendment states about religion.
gunzrkewl 1 year ago
inquiry10 is a kid needless to say he doesn't know anything about laws! I'm going to prayer public just to piss of anti-thiest athiests today! LOL!
gunzrkewl 1 year ago
The principal didn't get fired and isn't going to get fired you anti-religious wackos!
gunzrkewl 1 year ago
The school did not require the students to pray with the principal nor did the state or the nation. Nor is the act of prayer by anyone to be prohibited in this nation. Needless to say this act was perfectly legal. Wheter or not you like it is beyond the point.
gunzrkewl 1 year ago
@gunzrkewl Neither did he give any other religion the opportunity to be represented. Let's not forget that our tax dollars pay for this school. As such, it is constitutionally unsound to promote one religion over another.
MyGrammarRules 1 year ago
The school did not require the students to pray with the principal nor did the state or the nation. Needless to say this act was perfectly leagal.
gunzrkewl 1 year ago
You know the congress starts their sessions with a prayer. Tell me what he did wrong.
gunzrkewl 1 year ago
@gunzrkewl Once, a senate meeting allowed a Hindu priest to open their session with his prayer. Needless to say, that didn't go very well. He never made it though the prayer because of all the Jesus freaks yelling out and being generally disruptive and intolerant. This school is supported by tax dollars paid, in part, by citizens of other religions or no religion. He has no right to promote his religion without allowing other groups to be equally represented. That's what he did wrong!
MyGrammarRules 1 year ago
Thats the principle????
You can not have prayer like that in a public high school.
I hope one of you who go there contacted the ACLU or the Americans for the separation of church and state ect
inquiry10 1 year ago
@inquiry10 He has the right to freedom of religion and the students have the right not to participate in it, so you're wrong. Oh, and find the words seperation of church and state in the constitution.
gunzrkewl 1 year ago
@gunzrkewl
Absolutely not.
Prayer or any religious activity has to be student led and no parent, guardian,teacher or principle can enact it.
If you do not believe me on this then I would suggest you study the rules regarding public schools and religious organized prayer.
As to the whole separation of church and state not being word for word...pathetic straw man argument I dismiss it as either shear stupidity on your part or simple ignorance of your own laws.
inquiry10 1 year ago
@inquiry10 The only thing the first amendment says about religion and I quote. "the United States shall make no law respecting the establishment of a religion or prohibiting the act thereof" So tell me how does a school led prayer violate this?
gunzrkewl 1 year ago
@gunzrkewl
On top of all that the organization is called Americans for the separation of church and state. This is a legal center similar to the ACLU and others that prosecute cases like this and maintain the governments neutrality in religion.
inquiry10 1 year ago
@inquiry10 Funny enough the words seperation of church and state or never found in the constitution. If you don't believe me read it!
gunzrkewl 1 year ago
@inquiry10 Funny enough the words seperation of church and state or never found in the constitution. If you don't believe me read it! The amendment states. The United States shall make no law respecting the establishment of a religion or prohibitting the act thereof.
gunzrkewl 1 year ago
All beliefs should be accepted in school
kraizeguy360 1 year ago
What a dickhead. How dare he bring his own personal beliefs into a public arena and force them on others.
turningofthetide1 1 year ago
@turningofthetide1 He excercised his freedom of religion. Calm down buddy. No one was forced to bow their heads or participate.
gunzrkewl 1 year ago
@gunzrkewl you are so wrong. Let him pray on his own time. This religious ritual is EXCLUSIONARY. A principal has no right to such actions as a public employee. Haven't you heard of separation of church and state? Look up the writings of Thomas Jefferson on the subject. No public employee, certainly one in charge of children, has any right whatsoever to conduct a sectarian prayer before the school body. I rest my case.
turningofthetide1 1 year ago
@turningofthetide1 The only time prayer in school is unconstitutional is when a school board/district policy/state law requires it. The principal has freedom of religion to so don't forget that. And the words seperation of church and state don't appear in the US constitution.
gunzrkewl 1 year ago
@gunzrkewl This principal was clearly promoting one religion to the exclusion of all others and he is therefore in the wrong. Although the words "separation of church and state" do not appear in the constitution, the amendments to the constitution and the rulings of many judges over the years indicate quite clearly that such a separation is to be maintained. "Freedom of Speech" does not and should not apply in all circumstances.
turningofthetide1 1 year ago
@turningofthetide1 Well he also has freedom of religion as well as the students right not to participate is valid. Nothing here violates the establishment clause.
gunzrkewl 1 year ago
@gunzrkewl
You obviously do not understand that my justification for the principles actions being illegal has nothing what soever to do with the separation of church and state being found in the constitution.
I will explain 1 more time then I am done.
It has to do with the legal presidents set down by supreme court regarding sectarian prayers in a public school given by the administration as unconstitutional.
inquiry10 1 year ago
im hunduran prayer in school isn't allowed here
hughex16 1 year ago
Fire him. No pension given.
CrazyMunky84 1 year ago
@TheHigherVoltage See the point I was making was that this was a christian prayer to God, which btw our country was founded upon those morals, not muslim morals or satanists, or any other. But anyway, the point is, he wasn't harming anyone by praying to God, they didn't have to pray with him, he has freedom of speach and you can't compare christianity to other religions because christianity isn't really a religion, it is the act of following Jesus Christ who is Gods Son.
Singin4Jesus92 1 year ago
@Singin4Jesus92
Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith. from our point of view as representatives of the state, we need believing people. - Adolf Hitler
Sh0nin 1 year ago
@Singin4Jesus92 Maybe you should put down your holy book for a while and pick up a history book. Founding Fathers were not Christian. Look it up.
Christianity isn't really a religion???? You live inside a very strong shell of ignorance.
CarnivorousBiped 1 year ago
@CarnivorousBiped
you sir use a distorted history book that makes it seem like they werent christian. most history books now a days leave out a lot of information on how our fonding fathers were christian. Here are three genuine history books with moer than just a bit of evidence showing how our fathers were christian.
The light and the Glory
From sea to shining sea
sounding forth the trumpet
all are by peter marshall
and its not a religion, its a relationship
zain234 1 year ago
I would smack that man. What about the athiests, the Jews, & all other Non-Christians? Huh, prick? no respect.
Gahuki44 1 year ago 8
@Gahuki44 They don't have to participate if they choose not to.
gunzrkewl 1 year ago
@Gahuki44 US congress always begins with prayer. Needless to say this is not what the establishment clause talks about!
gunzrkewl 1 year ago
@Gahuki44 Well I guess if the GOD haters, the Jews and all other non Christians don't like they can just remember that at this time we are supposed to have freedom of speech in this country. Could you please explain to me how having the Bible, school prayer is hurting children. I guess in your viewpoint its alright to have Harry Potter books in schools but not the Bible.
1954phyllis 1 year ago
@1954phyllis You're such a liar. No one says individuals can't pray. Christians love to lie.
whiteyvanpeebles 1 year ago
@whiteyvanpeebles You're a cyberstalker. How does it make you feel to know that you are just weeks away from getting kicked off youtyube? Are you scared?
CyberstalkerVanFag 1 year ago
@1954phyllis It's illegal.......and bullshit by the way.
TheSuperAtheist 1 year ago
@Gahuki44
he never told any one that they have to believe what he believes. If they don't believe in the God who he is praying to, why does it hurt them if "he doesn't exist?"
Metallica102938 7 months ago
It was also our founding fathers who wrote into the constitution the seperation fo church and state, not so govenrment could keep religeon out of places but so governement would stay out of religeon all together. They were afraid of a governemtn sanctioned religeon like they had in England
marshan3q 1 year ago
@marshan3q The words seperation of Church and state never appear in the bill of rights or the Decleration of Independence.
gunzrkewl 1 year ago
E-you are the one who needs to do some history learn'n. Our founding fathers wrote about the divine inspriration they received in crafting the only democratic government that has lasted this long. you are right, some courts have removed the 10 commandments, but they started out being there, what does that tell you...that our country has drifted from its religous roots. There have been men throughout history that have dispised the constitution and have done things to destroy it. its about gone
marshan3q 1 year ago
@marshan3q I don't recall seeing any of the 10 Commandments in the US Constitution. In fact, I don't recall seeing any references to any religion in the US Constitution. So, until you know what you're talking about, shut the fuck up.
JimmyFaust 1 year ago
@JimmyFaust Nice language!! so great to have a dialog on this issue with such a civil person with such maturity! You are so right. the founders did not place the actual verbiage from the commandments. But they did build much of the consttutions pronciples around those laws. And if that was not the intent then explain why "every" court house had them in their buildings, etched into their walls and arches. Onlynow that we are so secular are we removing them.
marshan3q 1 year ago
@marshan3q Fuck you very much. One would think, if the Founding Fathers held the Ten Commandments in such high regard, that they would have made some reference--any reference at all--to them in the Constitution. They didn't. So sorry. Please tell me how our country was founded on the principles of not worshiping graven images, not working on the Sabbath, or not wanting to bang your friend's wife.
JimmyFaust 1 year ago
@JimmyFaust too immature, too closed minded, not ready for civil debate.. Goodye Jimmy.
marshan3q 1 year ago
@marshan3q Acknowledging your weaknesses is a great first step! Come back when you feel that you're ready.
JimmyFaust 1 year ago
And high V,,,our system of laws is clearly based on the Christian moral foundation, hence all the court houses with the 10 coammandments in them. What do you think they are there for, what do you think they are referencing?? I do agree with one of your statements..we as a nation have absolutely drifted away from everything Jesus taught. Forgiveness of sin is one thing, tolerance of sin is another...
marshan3q 1 year ago
@marshan3q
Your system of laws are NOT based on Christian values. They're based on SECULAR values; the same values your country was founded on. You're American, you're supposed to know this stuff.
By the way, the ten commandments have been removed from many court houses. Your Supreme Court has even gotten involved, taking the side that they should be barred from courtrooms and courthouses.
EikC 1 year ago
@marshan3q you do realize that the 10 commandments belonged to the jews first right? They're not exclusively christian
sunset261 1 year ago
You are correct flappity..Congress shall make no law. If
Congress would stick to the constitution we wouldn't be having this discussion. The 10th amendment claerly is about states rights, so if my state wanted to adopt a state religeon it could, in fact there are some original states that did that. Its not about the govetnement, its about the people. What you cited was an attempt by the founders to simply keep Government out of religeon period!!!
marshan3q 1 year ago
From the Bill of Rights:
Amendment I
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." If you violate this right, you are not American. Shut the fuck up already and get the fuck out of our country. Don't yell out "freedom" if you are against this amendment. Don't feel heroic when you make jokes against it. Again, just shut the fuck up. Trying to make excuses in regards to why prayer in school should not be included in schools is a violation of the 1st amendment. Fuck off!
FlappityFlipFlop 1 year ago
And in that mandate was never the intention of seperation of church and state the way it has morphed today. Everyone regardless of belief should be allowed to pray in school. Religeous scriptures should not be removed from courthouses.
marshan3q 1 year ago
@marshan3q You say "religious scriptures should not be removed"...they should've never been added in the first place.
The legal system is not based on Christianity. If it was, we would not be asked to swear on a bible. Jesus said "do not swear on/to anything at all". He also said "those who pray in public are hypocrites".
But of course...Christians only want to pretend to "follow Jesus"...instead going against everything he ever supposedly said.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
Thats not what that passage means #1. Outloud prayer is fine if it is not merely for the benefit of being heard is what He was saying...2nd, if you knew your history you woulod kinow that this country was absolutley founded on Christian principles by God fearing men. All Beleived in Christianity, only a couple had issues with the divinity of Jesus. The one thing you did get right was the constiution prohibiting the Federal gov imposing a religeon on its people.
marshan3q 1 year ago
“And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. ...when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen....And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words." Matthew 6.
Even Jesus thinks this guy is an asshole.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
every school should do this.
marshan3q 1 year ago
@marshan3q Bullshit. No school should do this.
Peppsi101 1 year ago
@marshan3q every principal should pray over the students? And to what god do you suggest they all pray to? Yours? What about mine? Or someone elses?
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@TheHigherVoltage the thing is, are country was built on the christian religion, i'm just saying what i believe in. Why all have freedom of speech you know.
marshan3q 1 year ago
@marshan3q ah...The first amendment in the Constitution prohibits the establishment of a national religion. The word "Creator" is used, and not "God" or "Jesus" in the Declaration of Independence to stamp the point home - that there is no one religion on which America was founded, nor is there one religion that is recognized more than another.
This "America was founded a Christian nation" idea only started up in the 1950s - and is essentially treason against the founding fathers.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@TheHigherVoltage: From the Bill of Rights:
Amendment I
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..."
FlappityFlipFlop 1 year ago
@marshan3q You're right! We should offend other people's religious beliefs in order to satisfy your Christian need to have every school praying to your bullshit 2000 kike god. Get a fucking life and clue.
KingMacintosh 1 year ago
@KingMacintosh: From the Bill of Rights:
Amendment I
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." If you are a U.S. citizen, leave this country.
FlappityFlipFlop 1 year ago
@FlappityFlipFlop I am a US citizen and I am an Atheist. I will stay in the country, fuck you goddamn Christian.
KingMacintosh 1 year ago
@KingMacintosh: I'm not Christian. Nor do I believe in any God or Gods. You typical cliche band wagon follower of the mainstream. I believe in pure freedom. Everyone in the United States is free to practice what the fuck they want whenever they want. Need we restate the Bill of Rights to you? Should I do it in sign language for you? "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." If you disagree, you must get the fuck out of the country. Actually, you should be arrested.
FlappityFlipFlop 1 year ago
@FlappityFlipFlop I don't follow the mainstream... Omfg... America is a shithole infested by Jews and Christianity, and the mainstream bleeds bias. I'm not stupid. I respect the constitution and I love the king of freedom and seperation of church and state, Thomas Jefferson, who Christians and Jews and succeeding successfully in censoring. We, coincidentally, however, hear more about the liberal's personal gods, Abraham Racist Liberal Against-America's real constitution Lincoln, and Gandhi...
KingMacintosh 1 year ago
"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without religious foundation is built on air; consequently all character training and religion must be derived from faith". -- Adolf hitler
snakefootak 1 year ago
It's just a prayer. You people need to calm down. He didn't say anything negative to anyone. If you aren't a believer or follower of Christ, then at least appreciate that this man was wishing those students the best. He wan't forcing a Bible down anyone's throat, he simply prayed for them and their futures. There is nothing wrong with a prayer. Please stop being so judgemental, it's not an appealing trait.
Singin4Jesus92 1 year ago
@Singin4Jesus92 That would be fine if he was allowed to do it
xyzqwa 1 year ago
@Singin4Jesus92 A Muslim comes into your kid's school and starts praying to Allah for them. You OK with that?
A Hindu comes in and starts thanking Ganusha. You still OK?
How about a Satanist? Yes..they are a religion..would you be ok with a Satanist praying to the devil to watch over your children?
Still OK with public prayers? Or are you "judgemental" yourself when it comes to other people's horseshit and just not your own?
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
Funny how people seem to complain when just a prayer is shed, whilst if there is much more other things in this world that is far worser than prayer. Now I see that you don't understand this. My point is what I said above. Many people complain about tiny issues that are far uneccesary to make something big deal out of it, whilst wars and others getting killed for their beleif is much more important having a focuse on. My point of view, now I'm done with this discussion. Have a goodnight! ;-) :-)
SylviaPenguin 1 year ago
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sweetsweatyfeet 1 year ago
I like the fact that this good man had the courage to close his eyes (step into his closet) and pray to the GOD of Abraham & Isaac, blessings on those unappreciative students. The only reason unbelievers and rock worshippers have a problem with this is they are to proud to admit that they are wrong.
USAFreedomReform 1 year ago
Watch this series on you tube. THE SILENCING OF GOD.
USAFreedomReform 1 year ago
@USAFreedomReform WHY? It is something written by biased people of God. It has no credibility to a person born an Atheist. I hate to scare people of God, but we are being born this way, with advanced DNA. I knew at age 9 when I first heard about Noah's Ark that it is NOT REAL.
Karoke77 1 year ago
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I like the fact that this good man had the courage to close his eyes (step into his closet) and pray to the GOD of Abraham & Isaac, blessings on those unappreciative students. The only reason unbelievers and rock worshippers have a problem with this is they are to proud to admit that they are wrong.
USAFreedomReform 1 year ago
I like the fact that this good man had the courage to close his eyes (step into his closet) and pray to the GOD of Abraham & Isaac, blessings on those unappreciative students. The only reason unbelievers and rock worshippers have a problem with this is they are to proud to admit that they are wrong.
USAFreedomReform 1 year ago
Such childish students.....
SylviaPenguin 1 year ago
@SylviaPenguin The students actually make a valid and intelligent point. Public schools are institutions, run by and funded by public government. The government exists to serve all of us and has no business endorsing one religion over another. The principal has every right to privately preach his religious beliefs. As an agent of a PUBLIC school has no such right to preach them within the institution he serves. Would you be as supportive if he were instead conducting an Islamic prayer?
sweetsweatyfeet 1 year ago
Yeah, I guess that every country are to do what the government says, so in Islamic countries they can kill you when you come for vacation there because you don't beleive in Allah, and because you might walk around on the beach in bikini... If the government would tell them so, we'd then say; "It is for your own risk going to any Islamic country" ;-) You said, there is no own freedom in speech, so, let everyone choose what they want in each country, and follow after it! :-)
SylviaPenguin 1 year ago
@sweetsweatyfeet, and now, what would be worse: To shed a prayer to God, or to get killed because you don't beleive in one? ;-) Still, if the government says so, we are to follow it, right? ;-)
SylviaPenguin 1 year ago
@SylviaPenguin That's not what I said. I said that the principal (as a PUBLIC school board employee) is acting as an AGENT of government. In this setting he has no right to endorse or preach his PERSONAL religious views to students at a PUBLIC school. Privately, on his own he does, but not as an agent of the public schools. So my question still stands--if you support his right to broadcast Christian prayer to his students, would you still support him if he were broadcasting a Moslem prayer?
sweetsweatyfeet 1 year ago
@sweetsweatyfeet, I don't think a prayer does so much harm to people. If the other teachers at that school would say yes to that, I like a student must just obey to the school. When I went to school I didn't agree with everything there, but still, we as students just had to do what the teachers said or planned.
SylviaPenguin 1 year ago
@SylviaPenguin What if they the principal was moslem and giving moslem prayers?--would you still support it? No one has the right to impose their personal religion on others (students included). This is not about authority; this about the right to be free state imposed religion. In order to protect everyones religious belief including atheism, the government itself must operate as a secular institution; which means it should stay out of the business of religion.
socksumi 1 year ago
@sweetsweatyfeet, but still, you didn't answer my question too. Would you say that a prayer is as equal harmful like if someone would kill you for not beleiving in their god? What is best, to hear someone pray, or to get shot because you don't beleive in a certain god/gods?
SylviaPenguin 1 year ago
@SylviaPenguin, The issue here is government staying out of the religious business vs school prayer. You now raise the question of being killed for one's belief???? What the hell are you even talking about and what does it have to do with the issue under discussion?
sweetsweatyfeet 1 year ago
Christians are such hypocrites. If they read "Matthew 6:5-6" They would know that Jesus condemns public prayer. Fucking idiots...
showbizjosh40 1 year ago
I would kick those kids ass for not praying along. I say prayer should be aloud in schools thats stupid bitch that took it off is in hell right now for that.
TheHahahaha17 1 year ago
How compassionate, torturing someone for not agreeing with you. Why should those kids, some of which may be jewish, muslim, agnostic, atheist or otherwise, have to follow along in a christian prayer?
Phyerbyrd 1 year ago
@Phyerbyrd To lead in prayer (what this man was doing) means just that. If any one else in the building wanted to pray as he prayed, they could. Even to who they believe they are supposed to pray to.Thats AMERICA BABY, we have the FREEDOM to pray or not to pray. That is the answer to all humanity. FREEDOM !! LET IT RING !!
USAFreedomReform 1 year ago
If it's ok for the state to beseech the heavens in public education then you shouldn't have any qualms having your kid educated in a madrasah in Pakistan.
fortmyersroyal 1 year ago
mathew 5"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
ceh333 1 year ago 2
Fuck it's a free country, he can pray if he wants to, the kids are smart enough to not join him, he could pray to Satan and it would be perfectly fine too.
alexfanx 1 year ago
@alexfanx It is against the seperation of church and state. NOT legal.
Karoke77 1 year ago
@Karoke77 Who's cares if it's legal?
alexfanx 1 year ago
@alexfanx Are you serious? IT IS AGAINST THE LAW.
Karoke77 1 year ago
@Karoke77 So is marijuana.
alexfanx 1 year ago
@alexfanx Never followed the crowd on that either. I am against drugs also. Sorry to be such a moral Atheist. Belief in a God, which I do not have, does not make me do what is right.
Karoke77 1 year ago
@Karoke77 Well yeah, believe in God has nothing to do with morals.
alexfanx 1 year ago
AGAINST THE LAW!
Karoke77 1 year ago
@Karoke77 What LAW/ How is this against the law?
USAFreedomReform 1 year ago
@USAFreedomReform NO God or prayers in school.........or ANY government land or building. Never heard of SEPERATION of church and state? It IS against the law. Keep your stupid beliefs in your house or church. NOT legal on government property. IF someone wanted to file a lawsuit, they would win. Supreme Court is adamant on no prayers or mention of ANY God on government property.
Karoke77 1 year ago
@Karoke77 Really? Then shouldn't they removed "In God We Trust" from the dollar bill and the all seeing eye as well?
alexfanx 1 year ago
@alexfanx YES! It will happen someday.
Karoke77 1 year ago
@Karoke77 Where does the constitution say any thing about No God And No Prayers in government buildings. The supreme court upholds this, Congress shall pass no law establishing any form of religion, or pass a law prohibiting the free exercise there of ............... So individually I can pray anywhere I choose, and best of all GOD GOES WHERE GOD WANTS TO GO, just because silly men think they are in charge doesn't keep GOD out. I bet the devil is there TOO.
USAFreedomReform 1 year ago
@USAFreedomReform There is no devil...or God. Atheists are sick of adults having an imaginary friend and a cult of fiction. WHAT went wrong with our species? Why are only a few (Atheists) born with the proper DNA to not get trapped by cults of fantasy? YOU REALLY THINK THERE IS A DEVIL? Scary that adults are so superstitious.
Karoke77 1 year ago
@Karoke77 Yep, I too am astonished people can believe such transparently obvious bullshit. Though I respect everyone's right to their beliefs, I can react like a crazed wolverine whenever Christian fundies use hell threats in debate. In my opinion it's the worst, most disgusting thing about the Christian cult--that some (not all) believers are reduced to despicable fear tactics as tools of persuasion. Do they think it works? -- it doesn't, it only fills most atheists with even greater contempt.
sweetsweatyfeet 1 year ago
@sweetsweatyfeet Yeah.......these Jesus cultists think we are devil worshippers or an agent of satan. Do they not understand that an Atheist does not believe in hell or the devil either. WHY are some humans so naive and STUPID to believe in fairy tales? They have NO self-confidence, they just fit in with the crowd. I am more of a loner, so I could care less what other HUMANS think about a silly creator. WHO made their silly God? "MAGIC!"
Karoke77 1 year ago
@Karoke77 The Christian belief system at some point seems to cripple the critical thinking of some believers. This is what happens when Christians let the scriptures do their thinking for them. They lose the capacity to judge, question or think independently. As a result you find them rationalizing and defending the most ludicrous claims, moral atrocities and unbelievable stories because--"it's in the bible" so "it must be true". It serves to remind you why you are an atheist.
sweetsweatyfeet 1 year ago
@sweetsweatyfeet Yes..."God" told them so.......WHEN? LOL! Or they witnessed a miracle. Or the earth cannot be without a creator. Or they say..." just look outside, see the hand of the creator in the lakes and hills?" THEY never question dead babies or earthquakes or tsunamis...".just part of God's plan." LOL!
It is like trying to talk to a 2 year old......not fun or easy.
Karoke77 1 year ago
@Karoke77 Are you familar with "The Prince, the power of the air"?GOD gets the blame for all these terrible events, but what if it wasn't GOD and Satan was behind the babies being killed, earthquakes, and tsunamis?
USAFreedomReform 1 year ago
@USAFreedomReform No clue what "The Prince...." is. I AM AN ATHEIST BY BIRTH. Never had a desire to pick up religious books. THERE IS NO SATAN. Grow up. HOW do you people believe this fairy tale? So silly. WHY does not your God kill Satan? Your bible is a children's fable written by HUMANS. I am so glad I was born an Atheist. BUT it is sad to see less advanced humans trapped in children's fables.
Karoke77 1 year ago
@Karoke77 Watch this series on you tube. It tells how we and our children are being lied to just to suit the needs of those who not believe. THE SILENCING OF GOD.
USAFreedomReform 1 year ago
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Christianity is a Doomsday Cult. But maybe religion should be taught in school-teaching the Truth about it. The Crusades, The Inquisition, Jim Jones, David Koresh-the bible itself indicating a predisposition toward violence. People whom opposed these cults of Christianity, like the inhabitants of the new world were raped & murdered by these people. Religionism is a root of war (Christian or Muslim) these people are terrorists, threatening humanity and futures child. They should be arrested.
ksm1031 1 year ago
He has the freedom of speech sure. But first and forthmost he is a teacher /admistrator which means he has a captive aduience that has to listen. It is his responsibility as an adult and authority figure to look out for every student even the ones who don't believe as he does. Imagine a perfectly happy ceremoniy and then suddenly a person you have trusted and respected starts praying it feel very uncomfortable ,I know. You feel alone and cut out which for children is somewhat tramatic.
CMSereneify 1 year ago
@CMSereneify i call bullshit on that, the kids don't care about being left out, the kids are assholes, plain and simple. it's not about the prayer, it's about the media and government brainwashing people into making prayer a bad unacceptable thing, it's fucking rediculous, sorry for my language, but i can't be nice right now, so many people sending themselves to hell, and no one ever listens, no matter how much i try.
Terrybob123 1 year ago