There is a youtuber that is very successfully using this circuit on an HHO system. I have built this circuit using a bifilar wound air core (400 turns 20ga and a 3 strand 400 turn 24ga parallel) and it works great. Finds the resonant freq and will even recharge non-rechargeable batteries in about 10-15 min.
Output is a much higher voltage and very low current.
The circuit might fail to osscilate, but the Bias arrangement on the transiostor's base will ensure a constand DC currnet flow through the coil and resistor. If the inductor is shorted out through the solute, then it will be the path of least resistance for current to flow so the circuit will still work, but not as you expect. You will be wasting significant energy in the 100R resistor and CE Junction of the transistor. Based on the resistor, the maximum current you will achieve is only 120mA.
From the schematic, It is clearly a single transtor oscillator. While it will definitely work correctly with a capacitor instead of the HHO Cell, it will not function when the plates for the HHO Cell are submerged in the solution. Unless you intend on using pure, demineralised water,then any catalyst or ionising electrolyte will conduct and will prevent the plates from acting as a capacitor. You will effectively create a short circuit across your inductor/coil and it will fail to osscilate
When you think about it it doesnt break the law of thermodynamics at all. If you use SS electrodes a lot of energy went into the production of those electrodes It just so happens that the chromium they put in it is what creates the oxide (white film) on the surface of the electrodes after they are used for a while. The more its used the higher the resistance of the electrodes gets because the more you are building up this semiconductor on the surface... and THATS where you get your gain
I hate how posts end up backwards... but what i was obviously guessing was the the circuit was obviously oscillating and everything was working hence the arc was formed and maintained under water.... you could hear the hissing/static... but what i also noticed was odd... right as the arc occurred the gas bubbles that are just formed were repelled AWAY from the arc... they didnt ignite.... could mean a lot in regards to overall safety....
My problem was then that my coil heated up too much... I guess switching to a larger wire wouldnt hurt... Im about to try the same set up with a better "cell" but with a primary of 300 turns and a feedback of 30 but im switching to maybe 20 awg for the primary and sticking with 30 for the feedback winding. One thing I noticed that was interesting was that when i bumped the electrodes in the water and they arced out a bright white arc was formed and stayed going for a while under water...
If anyone is interested this circuit is similar to the single transistor flyback driver circuit which can be easily found all over the internet This circuit DOES work with a 12 volt input as an HHO generator. I Used a coil of 30 AWG 600 turns and a feedback coil of 60 (same wire)... according to the original patent its supposed to be 1 feedback turn for every 10 primary turns.. it took some messing around with but once i got the electrodes at 1mm the gas production hissed like radio static
the film that builds up is chromium oxide now think about this for a second the more you use the circuit. as time passes eventually the water will not heat or the transistor...why? is less current is passing?... the surface of your HHO cell is now a SEMICONDUCTOR... or even an amplifier in a sense... but dont ever touch the white film with bare fingers the oils in your skin and salts will dilute in the water creating a "short" and discoloration
One thing everyone misses is how important the stainless steel is in the cell. 304 has a high level of chromium... higher than 316. when the circuit is pulsed in the water cavitation occurs and pulls the oxide to the outer surface of the electrodes.. you can see after hours of use that it builds up... its a white crystal looking film on the effective areas of the stainless...
The circuit is selfossilating and works but I have not tested it with a HHO Cell. When I built this circuit in school many years ago I used a capacitaor instead of a HHO Cell. So this circuit is still only theory. It will not produce HHO with only 12 Volt input - you need high voltage for a theoretical working model. 12 volt won´t harm my viewers and only the qualified can change this cicuit to high voltage.
@TheGuru2You I looked at this circuit after a year and my mind clicked and said!!! Great Idea!!!!! To make it work to Produce HHO.... Construct a transformer of Meyer VIC type... Use L1 as Primary, L2 as the Pickup coil, secondary step-up to 300V-400V a schotky diode 1000V PIV rated, two chokes and there you go... The simplest Stan Meyer Resonant style self tuning circuit :).... I will try it as soon as my VIC Transformer is ready ;)
@machinationu It will not work ... Why? HHO need DC current but doing that will give A/C alternating current to the HHO reactor from the collapsing M.field.
1st. pulse from the real power Battery
2nd. At off condition the Next pulse from the reactive power n reverse current
3rd. A/C will produce heat & not disassociation of H2O
If you use a 1000W Inverter 12V DC to 110V AC modified sine Wave to power the Dry-Cell, it would give you high pulsed voltage at about 50 Khz. to go to the electrolysis plates. You should be able to make a good amount of hydrogen that way. Tell me what you think about the setup. petergrote@hotmail.com
If you use a 1000W Inverter 12V DC to 110V AC modified sine Wave to power the Dry-Cell, it would give you high pulsed voltage at about 50 Khz. to go to the electrolysis plates. You should be able to make a good amount of hydrogen that way.
Have a Question : Could it be possible to power the Dry-Cell with two automotive Ignition Coils, the HT leads connected to positive terminal of the cell and power them together with the Coil, which ignites the fuel mixture in the car's engine ?
Have a Question : Could it be possible to power the Dry-Cell with two automotive Ignition Coils, the HT leads connected to positive terminal of the cell and power them together with the Coil, which ignites the fuel mixture ?
I couldn't get past the part in the description that says it was invented in 1913, when the very first thing you see in the video is the schematic which has a transistor. Transistors weren't invented until 1947 making that claim impossible.
The original used a tube triode that was patented in 1906. In 1912 the first amplifier was available using tube triodes and 1913 the first high vacuum tube triodes were produced. Although this circuit now uses a transistor the principle remains the same.
Thanks for response. Yes you're right when decreasing windings on L1 it seems that frequency is going up. Is it true that for electrolysis only DC current only should be used as one of the guys here was saying ; if so should I do a diode to the cell then?.
A diode at the cell breaks the oscillation between the cell and L1. With a diode at the cell you could power the cell with back EMF from L1. Without the diode the cell gets a phase shifted sine wave. The point is the phase shift, meaning the cell first gets the voltage potential and current flow follows later offset by 90 degree. So you have 180 degree regular current HHO production and 180 degree "free" voltage potential HHO production per 360 degree cycle. Input voltage: 100V-2000V
@TheGuru2You "The point is the phase shift, meaning the cell first gets the voltage potential and current flow follows later offset by 90 degree."
That makes no sense at all. If the voltage in the electrolite goes up, the current goes with it. You cannot change that. And besides, the electrolite really doesn't care what kind of power it gets, only the amount counts.
The second law of thermodynamics rules. Allso for people who don't believe in it...
You said "free voltage", is that really "free"? isn't the grids in several countries make paid for reactive energy too? or limit it by low? Or if batteries, won't break faster? So did You really check the energy taken? but any way, could be HHO energy is more valuable than the electricity at the input, makes COP>1, like in heat pumps :) Could you confirm all that please? Cheers.
I've built this circuit it works. When hooked to a speaker where the cell is it makes a buzzing sound. To acquire this one has to play a bit with coils.
If you use a L1 with less windings and thicker wire the frequency should increase. The speaker changes the frequency.
I just found a Stanley Meyers video where he says that you can split water into HHO only with voltage, you do not need current! For this he built a special coil that would limit the current but not the voltage.
My circuit restricts current and supplies the HHO Cell with a phase shifted sine wave. Now we only need to increase the input voltage to a few hundred volts (and change the circuit components accordingly) and use distilled water in the HHO Cell. Using Voltage with Amp restriction was a huge plus in efficiency of HHO production. Hitting the right frequency further increased efficiency. If you are safe with high Voltages give it a try.
Yeah, see, you have no way to stablize the oscillator because the value of the cell will constantly vary due to the composition of the water, bubbles, temperature and such. Without a core on your transformer, I can't see the purpose of what you're doing with this circuit. To get the most out of this oscillator, you need to keep it tuned to or very near resonance, otherwise, circuit loss is too much, very in-efficient.
This is simple blocking oscillator, with capacitor plates used as load electrodes in electrolysis cell. It does not provide energy for itself, and it can be used to create high voltages. High voltages can do electrolysis on "deionized" water.
BTW that 100 ohm resistor is killing circuit efficiency, and is limiting circuits ability to make high voltage needed for electrolysis. You should remove it and place it in series with L2 and 50uF capacitor.
Man you only have to look at the diagram to see your full of shit. I think this circuit would be more suited being hooked up to your nipples. You Weirdos are wasting your time with HHO cells and circuits etc.
I just tried this, and wonder what? it doesn't work at all! with a 100 ohm resistor the cell can't draw any amp. theorically it goes well, but practically it doesn't.
Ja klar - wichtig ist zu erwähnen das dieser Schaltkreis von jedem selbst auf (gefährliche) Hochspannung umgeändert werden muß und das destiliertes Wasser für die HHO Zelle verwendet wird.
@TheGuru2You Nochmals eine Frage. Würde nicht ein Funke von einer induktions spule genügen das Gas zu erzeugen? Ich meine da ist wesentlich mehr power drin.
Use pure distilled water and modify the circuit for high voltage (volts needed depend on your HHO cell). Because high voltage is dangerous I decided to show the circuit only with 12 volts.
I invented a breakthrough energy source which violates the law of energy conservation. I have a PROOF that there are electrodynamic phenomena violating the law of energy conservation. I am looking for $30000 for a prototype and for $3M for patents. In mass production it will cost $1200 to make a 15 kW generator, value of energy produced YEARLY about $10000.
Ich hoffe dass sie Deutsch sprechen. Könnten sie mir sagen wieviele Runden beide Wicklungen brauchen. Ich möchte dieses System auch mal selber ausprobieren. Ich schicke natürlich auch die Resultate und ein Video zum anschauen.
This circuit would be absolutly perfect for what I am building! In the red box the HHO cell could be replaced with a tank capacitor, and L1 replaced with the primary coil of a Tesla Coil! L2 would be the secondary of the Tesla Coil, which means that the circuit would always be tuned into resonance!!!!! NO MORE MANUAL TUNING!!!!!!! Thank you so much for the circuit!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D
Ein kleines Problem bei dem Plan .. Es gab 1913 noch keine Transistoren. Mit den damals verfügbaren Trioden (was anderes gabs damals nicht) hätte ein solches Konzept keinen Sinn gemacht da die Verlustleistung (Heizung zb) der Röhre jeden potentiellen (und nicht möglichen) Energiegewinn vernichtet hätte.
Meissner hat einen Oszilator erfunden .. ne Elektrolysezelle hat da nix drin verloren =D
Wrong Dejamn!!! the HHO cell acts as a water capacitor... test it with your voltmeter when your generator is off your water will hold a charge and drain it just like a capacitor... the biproduct is the splitting of water...
While it has no use as it stands, if this discovery is real, then it can be EXTREMELY important as a simple demonstration of the potential for free energy. If the oscillation continues indefinitely after disconnection of the battery, it is a "self-runner", so no arguments over power in/power out. What we all need is VERY PRECISE instructions - including what to tweak if, like mine, it does not work at first go.
?? what are you talking about? this is just a way to get a self resonating circuit, not free energy. of course the oscillations continue, but not indefinetly, only until the battery is empty or the power (energy) source is switched off.
Well they have most of them, but it doesn't seem to specify L1 & L2 or the Transistor (though it's obviously a PNP). But read the bottom on the schematic.
Of course a suggested part list could be handy for gauging how many windings are needed on L1 & L2, etc.
To be honest I haven't tried, however, I would expect that using a battery charger for this type of circuit would be impossible.
The reason being because for a resonance circuit to work, it must have pure DC coming in, otherwise you get this weird interference in the circuit. From what I understand, most car battery chargers do not charge with DC, so I think that would be your problem.
And this is great, here's a circuit that I want to try!
I'm in search of all the working resonant systems out there. When done in the right way, the output doesn't reduce the quality of the LC circuit by the same amount as the power used, this is the key.
You can charge the main battery, but you have to add L3 coil, and put it on top of L1 coil. Then you hook L3 coil directly to the main battery and then you can send the pulses to the main battery.
I have tried the circuit you have mentioned here and in the comment below. Possible to provide a full part list, schemetics and also a simple video demo on the actual device that charge the battery?
So for L1 and L2, the number of turns isn't important, L2 can be LESS turns than L1, that's ok.. You just want to get at least 4 ohms or so, so that means about 200 wraps of 30 gauge for the trigger and 200 wraps of 19 through 23 gauge for the power winding, up to a maximum of 800 wraps.
This circuit is out of 1913 and is (was) in every radio. Yes it oscilates ( I built one in school many years ago). The only still open question is if the phase shifted osilating current is more effectiv than DC.
I used this exact circuit and built a battery charger. The circuit somehow automatically tunes its self to the impedance of the battery. The battery voltage goes up at least 1 volt right when you flick it on. The thing hums and slowly increases in speed, tuning its self to the battery. I Installed a BLOCKING DIODE ON THE POSITIVE SIDE OF THE BATTERY TERMINAL, SO POWER CAN ONLY GO INTO THE BATTERY (NOT BACK OUT). The circuit still manages to find a sweet spot.
You have to put the positive diode so it BLOCKS THE INPUT CURRENT FROM THE TRANSISTOR... The coil will produce a sharp reverse voltage spike at the moment that it shuts off. You want the diode to be on the collection, going in the positive direction, towards the positive terminal of the battery. Basically you are harnessing the "back-emf" from the coil... This makes it a radiant charger.
Wow Newton and Einstein would be proud. A perpetual electric generator. No loses, no circuit DC resistance or impedence? Really? I like your sentiment but you should go back to class, school is about to start. It's the nature of the universe... entropy. All laws of quantum mechanics and EE are rewritten in this video posting, Hawking would be proud.
The circuit isn't as simple as he described, but with a little more complexity it could work. As long as the water takes on the properties we are assuming it has.
i was wondering, have you ever built this circuit and gotten it to work, if any one has could you tell me? i just built this circuit and it did not work, either my parts are not correct or my power supply is not strong enough. any help would be appreciated.
Yes, I built it in school many years ago but not with a HHO Cell. I used a normal bipolar capacitor. It works. Change the polarity of L2 and try again.
Place a normal speaker in line with L1 and HHO Cell to hear the frequency produced if you do not have a oscilloscope.
My idea was to use a resonant AC phase shifted current to power a HHO cell. Hoping this will still produce HHO but with way less power consumption.
Meissner built this circuit for radio transmition! It is still used today. My idea was to use a resonant AC phase shifted current to power a HHO cell. Hoping this will still produce HHO but with way less power consumption.
L1 does not belong in the water! It may have a positive effect winding L1 and L2 around your HHO-Cell (use your HHO-cell as the core for the coils L1 & L2). No positive or negative results jet. Meyers idea is to reach catastrophic discharge charging with resonance frequency.
The resonant circuit gets recharged each cicle from the powersource. When resonant frequenzy is 20Khz that means there are 20,000 charges of the resonant circuit per second!
I think the power has no chance / time to go down to zero.
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TheGuru2You, You said "the coil L1 induces a voltage on L2 to switch the transistor, this switching always takes place the moment when most energy of the resonant circuit is in the coil L1 so the capacitor plate has the least energy at that moment and that is when the circuit provide new energy and charges the plates again." The moment after the transistor device switches "OFF", the resonant circuits will start to oscillate (voltage across LC) and decay down and settled at 0V...
My question is when does the transistor switches "ON" to recharge the cell...Does it switch the transistor back "ON" the moment after the ringing settled down to 0V (across the LC)? or Does the transistor switched back "ON" on the 2nd half of every 1st ringing cycle? or when?
Yes, it will start to oscillate (voltage across LC) at its own frequenz BUT NOT decay down and settled at 0V... because the transistor always recharges C in the best moment (C has least charge L has most charge). So because there is a recharge every cicle the voltage will stay stable (only oscillating) as high as input voltage.
DANGER: Building with high volt input should even work better without producing heat or corroding metal plates in the cell.
In that case, the transistor will switch at the ringing (aka damped) frequency and NOT at the resonant frequency. Therefore, the transistor will turn ON 1/2 of the ringing oscillation cycle and OFF the the other 1/2 of the ocillation cycle.
Let me ask you a stupid question, since the capacitor discharge from +Vcap to Vcap=0V and then reverse polarity to -Vcap due to continuous current from the Inductor...What is consider "C at minimum charge"? is it Vcap=0V or -Vcap?
I guess that because polarity changes in C it has to reach 0Volt at one point. The recharge takes place just after passing this point. But only once a full cicle of LC.
hello you think its possible to use the resonance frequency of a piece of metal (left right movement) to replace the pistons in a combustion engine?in theory you would have endless power,only useing power to supply the sound,would be very clean energy and not meany moving parts to mantain,if anybody takes this idea to next stage remmber me when your trillianaire :>
I see a problem in how to extract the energy from the piece of metal because once you touch it (extract more / less energy) must result in a change of resonant frequency. Mechanical resonance is not overunity, it just utilises the given energy better into movement than non resonance but still less movement is produced than energy used.
Can anyone tell me how to determine how many windings L1 and L2 need to have? My cell has nine plates in series, electrically isolated so that my voltage is 1.7.
Hi guru, just watched ur video. I hv not basic knowledge of electrical so I dont really know the components. but am gonna try ur idea. Anyway my questions:
This vid is not about fractioning HHO like Meyer's car did, that was a totally different and revolutionary design at the point of injection. Here, we're going with the cell, tubes, and bubbler approach while trying to electronically reduce amperage draw.
That would work, but there is a big "IF". You must find (if exists) the sweet spot , when resonant frequency of oscillator is also longitudinal resonance on secondary. That will be hard most of time because this is self-adjusting system but for normal electronic resonance.Good luck.
It is possible to operate the switching from a few Hz up to +20KHz.
I recall reading somewhere in a power supply design text that for any power switcher, atleast in power supplies, it is recommended that the switching frequency be higher than the audio range (20KHZ) such that it will not interfere with audio devices or interfare with any devices that operate within the audio range.
Operating the resonant cell within the audio frequency, What is your thought on this?
I do not see a problem because just look at your own speakercabel from your (Car)stereo. They are powered by this spectrum of frequency (20-20k hz) and do not cause any disturbing interferences. Going way past 20khz will start to cause interference because thats where other divices start to operate with.
yes, the transistor will drive minimal current at resonance but the maximum voltage swing at the water cell will be 12 Vpp. Doubt this is enough to generate any electrolysis effect in plain water
as I understand resonance is meant to both amplify voltage as to limit current but this circuit cannot allow for voltage amplification, 12V peak to peak only
The coil L1 will not induce anything in L2 as you are using a 12 volts DC power source. For the transformer to work you need AC. Try AC then rectify it before it reaches the cell. Doubt it will work but give it a go.
The circuit works as shown and its used in Radiotransmission for over 90 years!
The combination of a coil and a capacitor (HHO Cell) wired like shown in the red box will allways result in "AC" !!!
DC powersupply is correct and I want "AC" feeding the HHO cell. In my theory it should reduce power consumtion a lot and stop the corrosion of the steel plates.
Ive tried 6V 12V 120V and 240V AC and AC just doesn't work for electrolysis. Power Will flow easily With AC but no bubbles. I even tried different cycles than the 50-60hz but without the rectifying Diodes you hardly get any bubbles for massive current flow. If you use caustic soda and good grade steel your plates are not ever damaged.
oscillation means dc on input and ac on output. thats pretty basic info to learn by asserting on youtube comments, try a book on subject and try to absorb the contents.
AC does not work. Try it, I have. It does nothing. It will not make hydrogen unless it is DC. This is a FACT. I also am searching for the answer to this but AC is not it. Try a Mains plug with the power rectified and one without.
Centrifugal force is not applicable in this scenario. Reversal of polarity only creates ac voltage thus causing friction between molecules and creating heat instead of gas. Very inefficient unless U are trying to create hot water. The secret is a combination between resonant frequency and voltage potential stimulation of charged water molecules. Don't forget Chapter 1 in secrets of cold war technology by Gerry Vassilatos. It opened my eyes to Longitudinal waveguide technology. Zero is correct..
Stanley Meyer used delrin (which is now called super corona dope) to insulate the inner tubes from the water. he also used a system of pulses to build enough voltage potential to achieve catastrophic dielectric failure of the water capacitor. L1 & L2 should be a transformer of some kind. L3 and L4 should be the same number of windings of the same gauge wire on the same core wound in opposite directions. There also seems to be missing a diode.
I am missing something very obvious, but I am not quite sure what...?
As I look at the L1:L2 transformer, it appears that only 12 volts is across the L1 and the capacitor. How does the high voltage come across the capacitor?
Also, is the variable 10K ohm a manually, or auto-adjusted, resistor?
Yes - its only 12 Volt at the resonant circuit when using 12Volt DC powersuply. The coil L2 is only resposible for activating the transistor in resonance to the resonant circuit. The variable 10K is manually set.
You can recalculate the resistors of this circuit for using for e.g. 200 Volt DC !!!
Next step is to coat one or both electrodes with an insulating material to prevent direct electrical contact with the water, just as Meyer did when he allowed an oxide coating to form on his tube electrodes before putting them into service.
thanks for this vid. that schematic looks identical to a 'flyback transformer driver' - which is a dynamic circuit by design. ZFF recently hit the nail on the head with regard to his latest video concerning resonance and the quest for it.
Well some components used in the flyback transformer driver look the same but its function is to change DC into AC by a frequenz resulting from the used components + harvesting high volts.
- If you want to hear/see the frequenz your resonant circuit produces without a oszilloscop, just attatch a normal speaker in line to your resonant circuit
(this will change the actual frequenz as without the speaker).
- If you want to change the frequenz of your resonant circuit, change the amount of windings from coil L1!
Anyone listening, I think reasonance tuning or even trying to step charge a cell is going to be very difficult because of the leakage current that passes through the cell. Any leakage current will discharge the WATER CAPACITOR(CELL). How to stop leakage in the cell in distilled water is going to be something to consider. I discovered this when trying to measure my cells capacitance and found that steady state there was parallel resistor inherient to the capacitor, creating a voltage divider.
That's why the next step is to coat one or both electrodes with an insulating material to prevent direct electrical contact with the water, just as Meyer did when he allowed an oxide coating to form on his tube electrodes before putting them into service.
Question re: stainless with a coating vs. ceramic.
Is it possible to use/find a ceramic material that would provide the needed characteristics of having voltage potential at the capacitor(plates) without having "direct electrical contact" with water or having any sort of electrical leakage?
There is a youtuber that is very successfully using this circuit on an HHO system. I have built this circuit using a bifilar wound air core (400 turns 20ga and a 3 strand 400 turn 24ga parallel) and it works great. Finds the resonant freq and will even recharge non-rechargeable batteries in about 10-15 min.
Output is a much higher voltage and very low current.
3nealweber3 2 weeks ago
The circuit might fail to osscilate, but the Bias arrangement on the transiostor's base will ensure a constand DC currnet flow through the coil and resistor. If the inductor is shorted out through the solute, then it will be the path of least resistance for current to flow so the circuit will still work, but not as you expect. You will be wasting significant energy in the 100R resistor and CE Junction of the transistor. Based on the resistor, the maximum current you will achieve is only 120mA.
MCWAU 1 month ago
From the schematic, It is clearly a single transtor oscillator. While it will definitely work correctly with a capacitor instead of the HHO Cell, it will not function when the plates for the HHO Cell are submerged in the solution. Unless you intend on using pure, demineralised water,then any catalyst or ionising electrolyte will conduct and will prevent the plates from acting as a capacitor. You will effectively create a short circuit across your inductor/coil and it will fail to osscilate
MCWAU 1 month ago
When you think about it it doesnt break the law of thermodynamics at all. If you use SS electrodes a lot of energy went into the production of those electrodes It just so happens that the chromium they put in it is what creates the oxide (white film) on the surface of the electrodes after they are used for a while. The more its used the higher the resistance of the electrodes gets because the more you are building up this semiconductor on the surface... and THATS where you get your gain
gilligan80 2 months ago
I hate how posts end up backwards... but what i was obviously guessing was the the circuit was obviously oscillating and everything was working hence the arc was formed and maintained under water.... you could hear the hissing/static... but what i also noticed was odd... right as the arc occurred the gas bubbles that are just formed were repelled AWAY from the arc... they didnt ignite.... could mean a lot in regards to overall safety....
gilligan80 2 months ago
My problem was then that my coil heated up too much... I guess switching to a larger wire wouldnt hurt... Im about to try the same set up with a better "cell" but with a primary of 300 turns and a feedback of 30 but im switching to maybe 20 awg for the primary and sticking with 30 for the feedback winding. One thing I noticed that was interesting was that when i bumped the electrodes in the water and they arced out a bright white arc was formed and stayed going for a while under water...
gilligan80 2 months ago
If anyone is interested this circuit is similar to the single transistor flyback driver circuit which can be easily found all over the internet This circuit DOES work with a 12 volt input as an HHO generator. I Used a coil of 30 AWG 600 turns and a feedback coil of 60 (same wire)... according to the original patent its supposed to be 1 feedback turn for every 10 primary turns.. it took some messing around with but once i got the electrodes at 1mm the gas production hissed like radio static
gilligan80 2 months ago
how can I determine what values L1 and L2 are on a 25 plate 9" X9" hho cell
wenzupacelli 3 months ago
shit check out tonywoodside videos he has the real stanley meyer circuits
theoneagain 4 months ago
the film that builds up is chromium oxide now think about this for a second the more you use the circuit. as time passes eventually the water will not heat or the transistor...why? is less current is passing?... the surface of your HHO cell is now a SEMICONDUCTOR... or even an amplifier in a sense... but dont ever touch the white film with bare fingers the oils in your skin and salts will dilute in the water creating a "short" and discoloration
gilligan80 6 months ago
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gilligan80 6 months ago
One thing everyone misses is how important the stainless steel is in the cell. 304 has a high level of chromium... higher than 316. when the circuit is pulsed in the water cavitation occurs and pulls the oxide to the outer surface of the electrodes.. you can see after hours of use that it builds up... its a white crystal looking film on the effective areas of the stainless...
gilligan80 6 months ago
I've did a vid on this circuit thanks to theguru2you
guruji243 7 months ago
The european accent is confusing to Americans like myself. meisner is who he is referring to when he says mysnell.. sorry Guru just trying to help.
h2ocommuter 7 months ago
did it work?
machinationu 7 months ago
@machinationu
The circuit is selfossilating and works but I have not tested it with a HHO Cell. When I built this circuit in school many years ago I used a capacitaor instead of a HHO Cell. So this circuit is still only theory. It will not produce HHO with only 12 Volt input - you need high voltage for a theoretical working model. 12 volt won´t harm my viewers and only the qualified can change this cicuit to high voltage.
TheGuru2You 7 months ago
@TheGuru2You USE this circuit blow your mind away get rid of your circuit mate
watch?v=g7M3pJV-l5U
theoneagain 4 months ago
@TheGuru2You I looked at this circuit after a year and my mind clicked and said!!! Great Idea!!!!! To make it work to Produce HHO.... Construct a transformer of Meyer VIC type... Use L1 as Primary, L2 as the Pickup coil, secondary step-up to 300V-400V a schotky diode 1000V PIV rated, two chokes and there you go... The simplest Stan Meyer Resonant style self tuning circuit :).... I will try it as soon as my VIC Transformer is ready ;)
waqaskhan148 3 months ago
@machinationu It will not work ... Why? HHO need DC current but doing that will give A/C alternating current to the HHO reactor from the collapsing M.field.
1st. pulse from the real power Battery
2nd. At off condition the Next pulse from the reactive power n reverse current
3rd. A/C will produce heat & not disassociation of H2O
Comments From AVISO ENERGY
ley858 5 months ago
@ley858 This has been my experience. I've tried different a/c voltages. Makes for a great heater though ;-)
HHO needs DC current.
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If you use a 1000W Inverter 12V DC to 110V AC modified sine Wave to power the Dry-Cell, it would give you high pulsed voltage at about 50 Khz. to go to the electrolysis plates. You should be able to make a good amount of hydrogen that way. Tell me what you think about the setup. petergrote@hotmail.com
1911peterg 7 months ago
If you use a 1000W Inverter 12V DC to 110V AC modified sine Wave to power the Dry-Cell, it would give you high pulsed voltage at about 50 Khz. to go to the electrolysis plates. You should be able to make a good amount of hydrogen that way.
1911peterg 7 months ago
Have a Question : Could it be possible to power the Dry-Cell with two automotive Ignition Coils, the HT leads connected to positive terminal of the cell and power them together with the Coil, which ignites the fuel mixture in the car's engine ?
1911peterg 7 months ago
Have a Question : Could it be possible to power the Dry-Cell with two automotive Ignition Coils, the HT leads connected to positive terminal of the cell and power them together with the Coil, which ignites the fuel mixture ?
1911peterg 7 months ago
Be sure to let everybody know as soon as you can use the circuit to power itself, without the battery.
ApolloWasReal 8 months ago
Self power - it has a battery!!
sorova 8 months ago
I couldn't get past the part in the description that says it was invented in 1913, when the very first thing you see in the video is the schematic which has a transistor. Transistors weren't invented until 1947 making that claim impossible.
misterbeefy33 9 months ago
@misterbeefy33
The original used a tube triode that was patented in 1906. In 1912 the first amplifier was available using tube triodes and 1913 the first high vacuum tube triodes were produced. Although this circuit now uses a transistor the principle remains the same.
TheGuru2You 9 months ago 4
Thanks for response. Yes you're right when decreasing windings on L1 it seems that frequency is going up. Is it true that for electrolysis only DC current only should be used as one of the guys here was saying ; if so should I do a diode to the cell then?.
Thanks
guruji243 10 months ago
@guruji243
A diode at the cell breaks the oscillation between the cell and L1. With a diode at the cell you could power the cell with back EMF from L1. Without the diode the cell gets a phase shifted sine wave. The point is the phase shift, meaning the cell first gets the voltage potential and current flow follows later offset by 90 degree. So you have 180 degree regular current HHO production and 180 degree "free" voltage potential HHO production per 360 degree cycle. Input voltage: 100V-2000V
TheGuru2You 10 months ago
@TheGuru2You
Did you get bubbles when you hooked it to this circuit? Maybe I have to higher voltage alot with lot of windings then.
guruji243 10 months ago
@TheGuru2You "The point is the phase shift, meaning the cell first gets the voltage potential and current flow follows later offset by 90 degree."
That makes no sense at all. If the voltage in the electrolite goes up, the current goes with it. You cannot change that. And besides, the electrolite really doesn't care what kind of power it gets, only the amount counts.
The second law of thermodynamics rules. Allso for people who don't believe in it...
drijfkip1 4 months ago
@TheGuru2You
Hi and thanks for your video.
You said "free voltage", is that really "free"? isn't the grids in several countries make paid for reactive energy too? or limit it by low? Or if batteries, won't break faster? So did You really check the energy taken? but any way, could be HHO energy is more valuable than the electricity at the input, makes COP>1, like in heat pumps :) Could you confirm all that please? Cheers.
Khwartz 1 month ago
I've built this circuit it works. When hooked to a speaker where the cell is it makes a buzzing sound. To acquire this one has to play a bit with coils.
if L1=10ohms L2=98ohms if L1=13ohms L2=103ohms
My problem is that frequency is still low.
guruji243 10 months ago
@guruji243 sorry guys changed L1 to L2 so L2=10ohms and L1=98ohms
guruji243 10 months ago
@guruji243
If you use a L1 with less windings and thicker wire the frequency should increase. The speaker changes the frequency.
I just found a Stanley Meyers video where he says that you can split water into HHO only with voltage, you do not need current! For this he built a special coil that would limit the current but not the voltage.
See YouTube: watch?v=8WrAFWypFTY
TheGuru2You 10 months ago
@TheGuru2You
My circuit restricts current and supplies the HHO Cell with a phase shifted sine wave. Now we only need to increase the input voltage to a few hundred volts (and change the circuit components accordingly) and use distilled water in the HHO Cell. Using Voltage with Amp restriction was a huge plus in efficiency of HHO production. Hitting the right frequency further increased efficiency. If you are safe with high Voltages give it a try.
TheGuru2You 10 months ago
Thanks for the vid. Interesting idea. I will see what happens...
Blessed Be,
White
whiterican74 11 months ago
We need something with 20k volts and low amps, about 0.5 amps. source 12v. But thanks anyway...
LOWEFERRARI 1 year ago
Yeah, see, you have no way to stablize the oscillator because the value of the cell will constantly vary due to the composition of the water, bubbles, temperature and such. Without a core on your transformer, I can't see the purpose of what you're doing with this circuit. To get the most out of this oscillator, you need to keep it tuned to or very near resonance, otherwise, circuit loss is too much, very in-efficient.
Landotter1 1 year ago
This is simple blocking oscillator, with capacitor plates used as load electrodes in electrolysis cell. It does not provide energy for itself, and it can be used to create high voltages. High voltages can do electrolysis on "deionized" water.
BTW that 100 ohm resistor is killing circuit efficiency, and is limiting circuits ability to make high voltage needed for electrolysis. You should remove it and place it in series with L2 and 50uF capacitor.
th3dig1tal0n3 1 year ago
Man you only have to look at the diagram to see your full of shit. I think this circuit would be more suited being hooked up to your nipples. You Weirdos are wasting your time with HHO cells and circuits etc.
truthseeka1 1 year ago
What!?.. are you fu..king nuts!!..this will create waste and polution..I know..I tried it..stop it now and remove this before someone gets hurt..
pcxcity 1 year ago
This is not a complete diagrams , The L1 L2 needs to experiment the winding of coil .
poprock4me 1 year ago
I just tried this, and wonder what? it doesn't work at all! with a 100 ohm resistor the cell can't draw any amp. theorically it goes well, but practically it doesn't.
Teslatez 1 year ago
Xcellent video, thank you. How do you find capacitance of cell, normal meter?
LiveforJesus100 1 year ago
no excuse needed your doing fine
rubicon31 1 year ago
Total bullshit, HHO is a form of perpetual motion. LMFAO XD
Zed1967 1 year ago
Kann ich dein Video auch auf mein Account uploaden. Dann sehen es mehr Leute.
Vielen dank nochmals!
Subspace4d 1 year ago
@Subspace4d
Ja klar - wichtig ist zu erwähnen das dieser Schaltkreis von jedem selbst auf (gefährliche) Hochspannung umgeändert werden muß und das destiliertes Wasser für die HHO Zelle verwendet wird.
TheGuru2You 1 year ago
@TheGuru2You Nochmals eine Frage. Würde nicht ein Funke von einer induktions spule genügen das Gas zu erzeugen? Ich meine da ist wesentlich mehr power drin.
Subspace4d 1 year ago
@Subspace4d
Schau dir HHO Spark Plug und ähnliche an. Das Gas wird zwar erzeugt aber auch direkt entzündet. Manche Videos sprechen sogar von Fusion.
TheGuru2You 1 year ago
HHO cell as a capacitor? :O
Hansolo60 1 year ago
@Hansolo60 yea :o)
Subspace4d 1 year ago
Ist L1/L2 ein Transformator oder eine bifilare Wicklung ?
Welchen Kern sollte man dafür nehmen, Eisenkern oder Graphitstab ?
arusa987 1 year ago
The idea is good, and it would work if a HHO cell would act as a ( almost lossless ) capacitor.
But a cell mainly acts as a resistor.
mklndrs 1 year ago
@mklndrs
Use pure distilled water and modify the circuit for high voltage (volts needed depend on your HHO cell). Because high voltage is dangerous I decided to show the circuit only with 12 volts.
TheGuru2You 1 year ago
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henrykay01 1 year ago
Ich hoffe dass sie Deutsch sprechen. Könnten sie mir sagen wieviele Runden beide Wicklungen brauchen. Ich möchte dieses System auch mal selber ausprobieren. Ich schicke natürlich auch die Resultate und ein Video zum anschauen.
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hgfrind 1 year ago
@hgfrind
Frequenzy = 1/(2pi*Squerroot L*C) C=Capacity L=Inductivity
Windings: U2/U1 = n2/n1
U= Current n=windings (same gauge)
Selfinductivity = µr*µ0*(n²*A/l)
µr=Permeability of core (air=1)
A=diameter l=length
TheGuru2You 1 year ago
This circuit would be absolutly perfect for what I am building! In the red box the HHO cell could be replaced with a tank capacitor, and L1 replaced with the primary coil of a Tesla Coil! L2 would be the secondary of the Tesla Coil, which means that the circuit would always be tuned into resonance!!!!! NO MORE MANUAL TUNING!!!!!!! Thank you so much for the circuit!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D
TheNuclearWatermelon 1 year ago
@TheNuclearWatermelon
Google: DRSSTC or Dual Resonant Solid State Tesla Coil
Have Fun!
TheGuru2You 1 year ago
....in my car works well...( look )
combustiblegratis 1 year ago
Thats a really good idea!
kokopelli314 1 year ago
What is this talk about HHO gas? There is no such thing.
LiamXaoh 1 year ago
@LiamXaoh
What do you mean "no such thing"?
What do you think you get when electrolysis gases are mixed?
kokopelli314 1 year ago
@kokopelli314 - you don't get HHO you get H2 and O2.
LiamXaoh 1 year ago
Nonsense!, you might pick up some radio signals but it won't have any effect on producing HHO.. or reducing current used to do so.
DD1942 1 year ago
hank you very much
paraplans 1 year ago
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Ein kleines Problem bei dem Plan .. Es gab 1913 noch keine Transistoren. Mit den damals verfügbaren Trioden (was anderes gabs damals nicht) hätte ein solches Konzept keinen Sinn gemacht da die Verlustleistung (Heizung zb) der Röhre jeden potentiellen (und nicht möglichen) Energiegewinn vernichtet hätte.
Meissner hat einen Oszilator erfunden .. ne Elektrolysezelle hat da nix drin verloren =D
RoteKampfSocke 1 year ago
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RoteKampfSocke 1 year ago
Thank you very much, and your english is ok)))
PANTIKAPEUM 1 year ago 2
Wrong Dejamn!!! the HHO cell acts as a water capacitor... test it with your voltmeter when your generator is off your water will hold a charge and drain it just like a capacitor... the biproduct is the splitting of water...
HydroStudy 2 years ago 2
It is simply impossible that this scheme works, because the cell behaves as induction coil and not as a capacitor!
Dejanm030201 2 years ago
Hi my good man,
Try a beginners course in ELECTRONICS
before you publish anything of that magnitude.
You are simply walking in the dark.
alwerner49 2 years ago
cool beans
todbt 2 years ago
While it has no use as it stands, if this discovery is real, then it can be EXTREMELY important as a simple demonstration of the potential for free energy. If the oscillation continues indefinitely after disconnection of the battery, it is a "self-runner", so no arguments over power in/power out. What we all need is VERY PRECISE instructions - including what to tweak if, like mine, it does not work at first go.
rogerlutra 2 years ago
?? what are you talking about? this is just a way to get a self resonating circuit, not free energy. of course the oscillations continue, but not indefinetly, only until the battery is empty or the power (energy) source is switched off.
myztic123 2 years ago 2
Это качер.....
BFalcon74 2 years ago
Building a Lawson copy and am sure this is the way to go. Well done from the UK, keep it up
YpurVideo 2 years ago
Can you show us a parts list ?
2H1O1 2 years ago
Well they have most of them, but it doesn't seem to specify L1 & L2 or the Transistor (though it's obviously a PNP). But read the bottom on the schematic.
Of course a suggested part list could be handy for gauging how many windings are needed on L1 & L2, etc.
graceoverall 2 years ago
you cant see the bottom on the schematic not clear
2H1O1 2 years ago
Hi. I think is NPN.
truthnotifier 2 years ago
ROFL... whoops. You're absolutely correct. Sorry about that... I stand corrected.
graceoverall 2 years ago
Hi Graceoverall,
Are you able to get the device working for a small lead acid battery charger as supermuble has commented?
I was not able to do so. with a normal transformer for L1 & L2.
truthnotifier 2 years ago
To be honest I haven't tried, however, I would expect that using a battery charger for this type of circuit would be impossible.
The reason being because for a resonance circuit to work, it must have pure DC coming in, otherwise you get this weird interference in the circuit. From what I understand, most car battery chargers do not charge with DC, so I think that would be your problem.
graceoverall 2 years ago
You are excused ;D
And this is great, here's a circuit that I want to try!
I'm in search of all the working resonant systems out there. When done in the right way, the output doesn't reduce the quality of the LC circuit by the same amount as the power used, this is the key.
Nabo00o 2 years ago
thank you, and thank you Utube!
im @ 245 components away from the greatest super teck. :0
desantiaxion 2 years ago
You can charge the main battery, but you have to add L3 coil, and put it on top of L1 coil. Then you hook L3 coil directly to the main battery and then you can send the pulses to the main battery.
supermuble 2 years ago
Hi,
Saw your last 2 post. Like yourself, I just want a battery charger to a lead acid battery.
Sorry. My english is not too good. Could you please post a complete part list for L1,L2 & L3? How many mili Henry do they needs to be?
How can we measure the capacitor of a battery and adjust the variable 10K ohm
Resistor?
truthnotifier 2 years ago
that circuit has nothing to do with a battery charger.
myztic123 2 years ago
Hi Supermuble,
I have tried the circuit you have mentioned here and in the comment below. Possible to provide a full part list, schemetics and also a simple video demo on the actual device that charge the battery?
truthnotifier 2 years ago
Do you happen to have a diagram of your circuit? Im new to electronics and a little confused as to the direction of current flow. Thanks
DojiSan 1 year ago
You can use a regular capacitor, or bipolar for the 50uf capacitor.
I am not using the HHO cell. Instead, I put a 12 volt battery there. This circuit works good at charging batteries, so I am not using it for HHO.
The transistor can be a 2n3055 from radio shack for $2.00 or something better.
supermuble 2 years ago
I tried this circuit on hydrogen, but gave up after a few minutes, so I lack experience.
For batteries, just put a diode on the + terminal of the battery blocking the battery from the circuit.
The diode would go where the letter "C" is in the word CELL. Put the striped end TOWARD the battery. Now you got a charger.
supermuble 2 years ago
Ok, I understand so far but do you use a bipolar capacitor or HHO Cell or what where the letter "C" / the HHO Cell should be???
And do you mean that you have only one batterie that serves as a powersource and gets charged at the same time ???
TheGuru2You 2 years ago
So for L1 and L2, the number of turns isn't important, L2 can be LESS turns than L1, that's ok.. You just want to get at least 4 ohms or so, so that means about 200 wraps of 30 gauge for the trigger and 200 wraps of 19 through 23 gauge for the power winding, up to a maximum of 800 wraps.
supermuble 2 years ago
has anyone tested this? does it oscilate?
myztic123 2 years ago
This circuit is out of 1913 and is (was) in every radio. Yes it oscilates ( I built one in school many years ago). The only still open question is if the phase shifted osilating current is more effectiv than DC.
TheGuru2You 2 years ago
I used this exact circuit and built a battery charger. The circuit somehow automatically tunes its self to the impedance of the battery. The battery voltage goes up at least 1 volt right when you flick it on. The thing hums and slowly increases in speed, tuning its self to the battery. I Installed a BLOCKING DIODE ON THE POSITIVE SIDE OF THE BATTERY TERMINAL, SO POWER CAN ONLY GO INTO THE BATTERY (NOT BACK OUT). The circuit still manages to find a sweet spot.
supermuble 2 years ago
You have to put the positive diode so it BLOCKS THE INPUT CURRENT FROM THE TRANSISTOR... The coil will produce a sharp reverse voltage spike at the moment that it shuts off. You want the diode to be on the collection, going in the positive direction, towards the positive terminal of the battery. Basically you are harnessing the "back-emf" from the coil... This makes it a radiant charger.
supermuble 2 years ago
Well, thats something new to hear - cool!
- How many turns do you use and how thick is the wire for L1 and for L2 ?
- Do you have a HHO Cell or a bipolar capacitor in the "red box" ? If HHO Cell: what dimensions and plate nummbers and spacings ???
Thanks for sharing your discovery with us!
TheGuru2You 2 years ago
Thank you. I wold like to build this as an experiment. Do you have some more specific information for the components?
InHiGear 2 years ago
Wow Newton and Einstein would be proud. A perpetual electric generator. No loses, no circuit DC resistance or impedence? Really? I like your sentiment but you should go back to class, school is about to start. It's the nature of the universe... entropy. All laws of quantum mechanics and EE are rewritten in this video posting, Hawking would be proud.
trimetaler 2 years ago
The circuit isn't as simple as he described, but with a little more complexity it could work. As long as the water takes on the properties we are assuming it has.
sirHOAX 2 years ago
i was wondering, have you ever built this circuit and gotten it to work, if any one has could you tell me? i just built this circuit and it did not work, either my parts are not correct or my power supply is not strong enough. any help would be appreciated.
charlie0brent 2 years ago
Yes, I built it in school many years ago but not with a HHO Cell. I used a normal bipolar capacitor. It works. Change the polarity of L2 and try again.
Place a normal speaker in line with L1 and HHO Cell to hear the frequency produced if you do not have a oscilloscope.
My idea was to use a resonant AC phase shifted current to power a HHO cell. Hoping this will still produce HHO but with way less power consumption.
No positive or negative results jet :-(
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tysonbear 2 years ago
Meissner built this circuit for radio transmition! It is still used today. My idea was to use a resonant AC phase shifted current to power a HHO cell. Hoping this will still produce HHO but with way less power consumption.
L1 does not belong in the water! It may have a positive effect winding L1 and L2 around your HHO-Cell (use your HHO-cell as the core for the coils L1 & L2). No positive or negative results jet. Meyers idea is to reach catastrophic discharge charging with resonance frequency.
TheGuru2You 2 years ago
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tysonbear 2 years ago
Very good work.
pjrsullivan 2 years ago
How do I calculate the L1 & L2 windings? My HHO Cell capacitance is 3pf. What transsitor value show I use?
dllabarre 2 years ago
Frequenzy = 1/(2pi*Squerroot L*C) C=Capacity L=Inductivity
Windings: U2/U1 = n2/n1
U= Current n=windings (same gauge)
Selfinductivity = µr*µ0*(n²*A/l)
µr=Permeability of core (air=1)
A=diameter l=length
NPN Transistor
I guess 1Amp should be enough.
TheGuru2You 2 years ago
1Amp only if the plates are insulated.
(was not tested jet)
Or get yourself a BD243C for less than 1$
(NPN 6Amps 100Volt)
TheGuru2You 2 years ago
Thank you!!
dllabarre 2 years ago
Ups, U= Voltage not current
TheGuru2You 2 years ago
A lot better transistor but 4 x more expensive
BD249C BD249 NPN TO218 100V 25A !!!
TheGuru2You 2 years ago
Don't worry about you English, you did a great job.
hal698 2 years ago
How do you explain away the power lost through resistance that would drain the power away from a circuit that has no external power applied?
The oscillation may happen but will drop off exponentially and the power go to zero.
clownjms 2 years ago
The resonant circuit gets recharged each cicle from the powersource. When resonant frequenzy is 20Khz that means there are 20,000 charges of the resonant circuit per second!
I think the power has no chance / time to go down to zero.
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TheGuru2You 2 years ago
TheGuru2You, You said "the coil L1 induces a voltage on L2 to switch the transistor, this switching always takes place the moment when most energy of the resonant circuit is in the coil L1 so the capacitor plate has the least energy at that moment and that is when the circuit provide new energy and charges the plates again." The moment after the transistor device switches "OFF", the resonant circuits will start to oscillate (voltage across LC) and decay down and settled at 0V...
ZeroKool2k9 2 years ago
My question is when does the transistor switches "ON" to recharge the cell...Does it switch the transistor back "ON" the moment after the ringing settled down to 0V (across the LC)? or Does the transistor switched back "ON" on the 2nd half of every 1st ringing cycle? or when?
ZeroKool2k9 2 years ago
Yes, the transistor switched back "ON" on the 2nd half of every 1st ringing cycle.
TheGuru2You 2 years ago
Yes, it will start to oscillate (voltage across LC) at its own frequenz BUT NOT decay down and settled at 0V... because the transistor always recharges C in the best moment (C has least charge L has most charge). So because there is a recharge every cicle the voltage will stay stable (only oscillating) as high as input voltage.
DANGER: Building with high volt input should even work better without producing heat or corroding metal plates in the cell.
TheGuru2You 2 years ago
In that case, the transistor will switch at the ringing (aka damped) frequency and NOT at the resonant frequency. Therefore, the transistor will turn ON 1/2 of the ringing oscillation cycle and OFF the the other 1/2 of the ocillation cycle.
Am I correct on that?
ZeroKool2k9 2 years ago
I would say it is resonant and not damped frequency because the recharge does NOT change the (resonant) frequenzy resulting from LC.
And yes you are correct 1/2 ON and 1/2 OFF maybe I would call it 1/4 ON and 3/4 OFF depending on the setting of the variable resistor.
TheGuru2You 2 years ago
Thank you TheGuru2You,
"C has least charge, L has most charge"
Let me ask you a stupid question, since the capacitor discharge from +Vcap to Vcap=0V and then reverse polarity to -Vcap due to continuous current from the Inductor...What is consider "C at minimum charge"? is it Vcap=0V or -Vcap?
ZeroKool2k9 2 years ago
I guess that because polarity changes in C it has to reach 0Volt at one point. The recharge takes place just after passing this point. But only once a full cicle of LC.
TheGuru2You 2 years ago
How those windings depend on HHO cell and transistor? And what type of transistor?
KBendix 2 years ago
hello you think its possible to use the resonance frequency of a piece of metal (left right movement) to replace the pistons in a combustion engine?in theory you would have endless power,only useing power to supply the sound,would be very clean energy and not meany moving parts to mantain,if anybody takes this idea to next stage remmber me when your trillianaire :>
CASTLEWEIRD 2 years ago
I see a problem in how to extract the energy from the piece of metal because once you touch it (extract more / less energy) must result in a change of resonant frequency. Mechanical resonance is not overunity, it just utilises the given energy better into movement than non resonance but still less movement is produced than energy used.
TheGuru2You 2 years ago
Can anyone tell me how to determine how many windings L1 and L2 need to have? My cell has nine plates in series, electrically isolated so that my voltage is 1.7.
Jeremiahbt 2 years ago
Hi guru, just watched ur video. I hv not basic knowledge of electrical so I dont really know the components. but am gonna try ur idea. Anyway my questions:
a) What type of transistor you use?
b) how many L1 and L2 winding?
For HHO cell, I use SS plate 6"x6", 15pcs.
Thanks
abangjkt 2 years ago
Why doesn't someone ask Meyers brother what happened to the car after Meyer died?
Lets get the truth behind all this where is the car now?
Many of you are in America surely this is worth looking into and getting us all some solid answers.
His Brother is working on things similar but not the same so why not the same stuff if it worked?
0ddba11s 3 years ago
This vid is not about fractioning HHO like Meyer's car did, that was a totally different and revolutionary design at the point of injection. Here, we're going with the cell, tubes, and bubbler approach while trying to electronically reduce amperage draw.
calendar2222 2 years ago
If you look at some of Mayers videos it shows him running a engine with tubes.
0ddba11s 2 years ago
That would work, but there is a big "IF". You must find (if exists) the sweet spot , when resonant frequency of oscillator is also longitudinal resonance on secondary. That will be hard most of time because this is self-adjusting system but for normal electronic resonance.Good luck.
bodziobran 3 years ago
good video.
jordanlvigus 3 years ago
If you reach a very high frequenz above 20KHz it might even work for "Sonofusion" !!!
TheGuru2You 3 years ago
TheGuru2You
It is possible to operate the switching from a few Hz up to +20KHz.
I recall reading somewhere in a power supply design text that for any power switcher, atleast in power supplies, it is recommended that the switching frequency be higher than the audio range (20KHZ) such that it will not interfere with audio devices or interfare with any devices that operate within the audio range.
Operating the resonant cell within the audio frequency, What is your thought on this?
ZeroKool2k9 2 years ago
I do not see a problem because just look at your own speakercabel from your (Car)stereo. They are powered by this spectrum of frequency (20-20k hz) and do not cause any disturbing interferences. Going way past 20khz will start to cause interference because thats where other divices start to operate with.
TheGuru2You 2 years ago
yes, the transistor will drive minimal current at resonance but the maximum voltage swing at the water cell will be 12 Vpp. Doubt this is enough to generate any electrolysis effect in plain water
lvildos 3 years ago
Now think of using high Volts DC input.
TheGuru2You 3 years ago
as I understand resonance is meant to both amplify voltage as to limit current but this circuit cannot allow for voltage amplification, 12V peak to peak only
lvildos 3 years ago
Thank You great video very simple the way i like it!!!!
ipariah 3 years ago
The coil L1 will not induce anything in L2 as you are using a 12 volts DC power source. For the transformer to work you need AC. Try AC then rectify it before it reaches the cell. Doubt it will work but give it a go.
NoahXBloodyXNoah 3 years ago
The circuit works as shown and its used in Radiotransmission for over 90 years!
The combination of a coil and a capacitor (HHO Cell) wired like shown in the red box will allways result in "AC" !!!
DC powersupply is correct and I want "AC" feeding the HHO cell. In my theory it should reduce power consumtion a lot and stop the corrosion of the steel plates.
I just have not tested it for HHO production jet.
TheGuru2You 3 years ago
Ive tried 6V 12V 120V and 240V AC and AC just doesn't work for electrolysis. Power Will flow easily With AC but no bubbles. I even tried different cycles than the 50-60hz but without the rectifying Diodes you hardly get any bubbles for massive current flow. If you use caustic soda and good grade steel your plates are not ever damaged.
NoahXBloodyXNoah 3 years ago
oscillation means dc on input and ac on output. thats pretty basic info to learn by asserting on youtube comments, try a book on subject and try to absorb the contents.
john29302 3 years ago
AC does not work. Try it, I have. It does nothing. It will not make hydrogen unless it is DC. This is a FACT. I also am searching for the answer to this but AC is not it. Try a Mains plug with the power rectified and one without.
Rectified = bubbles
un-rectified = no-bubbles and blown fuse.
NoahXBloodyXNoah 3 years ago
if you put one aluminum plate it works
sebosfato 2 years ago
Centrifugal force is not applicable in this scenario. Reversal of polarity only creates ac voltage thus causing friction between molecules and creating heat instead of gas. Very inefficient unless U are trying to create hot water. The secret is a combination between resonant frequency and voltage potential stimulation of charged water molecules. Don't forget Chapter 1 in secrets of cold war technology by Gerry Vassilatos. It opened my eyes to Longitudinal waveguide technology. Zero is correct..
flipster12000 3 years ago
Same circuit as the power supply in a microwave oven.
flipster12000 3 years ago
Frequency of operation depends on Coil L1 and capacity of your plates (HHO Cell) - its possible from a few Hz up to +20KHz.
My idea has very little to do with Stan Meyer´s way because I do not step charge the cell.
I have not tested it jet!
TheGuru2You 3 years ago
Stanley Meyer used delrin (which is now called super corona dope) to insulate the inner tubes from the water. he also used a system of pulses to build enough voltage potential to achieve catastrophic dielectric failure of the water capacitor. L1 & L2 should be a transformer of some kind. L3 and L4 should be the same number of windings of the same gauge wire on the same core wound in opposite directions. There also seems to be missing a diode.
flipster12000 3 years ago
thanks for the presentation and info, 5*'s
variablestatus 3 years ago
I am missing something very obvious, but I am not quite sure what...?
As I look at the L1:L2 transformer, it appears that only 12 volts is across the L1 and the capacitor. How does the high voltage come across the capacitor?
Also, is the variable 10K ohm a manually, or auto-adjusted, resistor?
spgandau 3 years ago
Yes - its only 12 Volt at the resonant circuit when using 12Volt DC powersuply. The coil L2 is only resposible for activating the transistor in resonance to the resonant circuit. The variable 10K is manually set.
You can recalculate the resistors of this circuit for using for e.g. 200 Volt DC !!!
TheGuru2You 3 years ago
Well done, sir.
Next step is to coat one or both electrodes with an insulating material to prevent direct electrical contact with the water, just as Meyer did when he allowed an oxide coating to form on his tube electrodes before putting them into service.
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago 4
Thank you Mr. ZeroFossilFuel.
Alexander Meissner invented this circuit in the year 1913 for use in radio technology.
TheGuru2You 3 years ago
Is L1 and L2 wound as a transformer or is it a bifilar Coil or is it two separate coils?
The way the schematic is drawn it appears to be a transformer.
KyHighlander59 3 years ago
Two separate coils:
Using two separate coils is the easiest way to make modifications for finding a high frequency of the resonant circuit with your HHO Cell.
I know that two singles work but I think a transformer (with metal core) or bifilar Coil should also work.
L2 should always have less windings than L1 because of the max volts of the transistor! (Yes, a transformer)
TheGuru2You 3 years ago
Thank you for your reply.
KyHighlander59 3 years ago
TheGuru2You,
thanks for this vid. that schematic looks identical to a 'flyback transformer driver' - which is a dynamic circuit by design. ZFF recently hit the nail on the head with regard to his latest video concerning resonance and the quest for it.
usuryfree1776 3 years ago
Well some components used in the flyback transformer driver look the same but its function is to change DC into AC by a frequenz resulting from the used components + harvesting high volts.
TheGuru2You 3 years ago
- If you want to hear/see the frequenz your resonant circuit produces without a oszilloscop, just attatch a normal speaker in line to your resonant circuit
(this will change the actual frequenz as without the speaker).
- If you want to change the frequenz of your resonant circuit, change the amount of windings from coil L1!
TheGuru2You 3 years ago
Anyone listening, I think reasonance tuning or even trying to step charge a cell is going to be very difficult because of the leakage current that passes through the cell. Any leakage current will discharge the WATER CAPACITOR(CELL). How to stop leakage in the cell in distilled water is going to be something to consider. I discovered this when trying to measure my cells capacitance and found that steady state there was parallel resistor inherient to the capacitor, creating a voltage divider.
happyhome1973 3 years ago
You are right, BUT you do not need all the energy put in the resonant circuit to activate the transistor!
You can compensate the leakage with the variable resistor and the winding ratio of L1 & L2!
TheGuru2You 3 years ago
That's why the next step is to coat one or both electrodes with an insulating material to prevent direct electrical contact with the water, just as Meyer did when he allowed an oxide coating to form on his tube electrodes before putting them into service.
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
Question re: stainless with a coating vs. ceramic.
Is it possible to use/find a ceramic material that would provide the needed characteristics of having voltage potential at the capacitor(plates) without having "direct electrical contact" with water or having any sort of electrical leakage?
spgandau 3 years ago