The problem you guys have is that if you return it to the states to make the decision then what happens if a pregnant woman wants an abortion in a state where it is illegal, well if she is wealthy thats fine she can just travel, if she is poor she is screwed. It is also the poor people who have most to fear from untimely children.
pro life this and pro life that. IT is all so easy for people who never have to work another day in their lives to say that as they no longer need to worry about america's spiraling education systems , healthcare and secondary education systems. Sure you may not want to kill the fetus, but are you at the same time willing to adopt every single child born ino a family who for all intensive purposes did not want the child. If you can garantee this then you can make you "pro life" claims ethically
How does this "make it a state level decision" thing work? Anyone seeking abortion could then go and get it done in a state where it is legal, couldn't they?
Women are not demons seeking to abort every fetus. If they were, you wouldn't be around debating this, would you?
Most women seeking abortion would have genuine reasons. Don't use anecdotes of unnecessary abortions or "morality" to support your case against it. Do we ban the kitchen knife even though it is commonly used for murder?
They should close their legs or use the fucking pill. Women who get five abortions. Are you out of your fucking mind? And to say kitchen knifes can kill a person you are implying that abortion kills a person as well.
You still overlooked my point regarding pregnancy through rape and domestic violence. Talk to these women first before you pass judgments on their issues.
Raoe cases make up a miniscule percent of the abortions that occur. Most abortions are a form of birth control. Most occur because people are not responsible and need to think before they have sex.
You would have more credibility if you said you were against abortion as a form of birth control but respected the right of choice for women who became pregnant through rape and other acts of violence beyond their control. But, NO. You callously dismiss such traumatized women as "miniscule and therefore insignificant"; annoying statistical blips that deliberately set out to ruin your otherwise perfect anti-abortion sales pitch. Do you say that protection under the law should be based on numbers?
Well you see the percentage is miniscule and yet that is the first issue a pro- abortion person uses. And Rape is illegal so their is your protection under the law. The law does not sa that women have a right to choice. No where in the constitution does a women have a right to privacy. It is a states right to decide the issue of abortion.
Well, they HAVE to bring up the question of rape, because you guys refuse to address it. Surely you should be able to give a straight answer to that question? But no: you want to take the "no exceptions" approach based on mindless and outdated religious beliefs. If the law doesn't guarantee fundamental rights to women, you should be fighting for it, not using it as an excuse against them. Americans didn't have rights against the British either, but they demanded and fought for it, didn't they?
You really going to pull up the Revoluton for defense of abortion right. Ok. Look in the Consistution. In it you will not find one mention of the right to privavcy any where in it. Which means it is a state right to decide the law and when a woman can get an abortion because of rape and other issues. You keep mentioning rape victims because that is the only card you have to play. Most abortions are because people are irresponsible and want to take the cheapest and simpliest solution.
A 1996 study (Holmes et al) showed 32,000 pregnancies resulted from rape (we're talking about the reported cases). I suppose 32,000 would be "minuscule" as far as you are concerned; not worth the trouble of even putting some thought into how these traumatized women could be dealt with. So you conveniently club them together with the "irresponsible abortionists" and demonize them, calling them baby killers, murderers, etc.
Same study. .3%. Yeah. That is miniscule. How do you know that a raped woman would want an abortion. That she would see the child as evil before he or she is even born. 98% are those irresponsible abortionists. Women who may look down the road and realize they had killed a child. Their child.
No, I don't know a raped woman would WANT an abortion. She may want one, or she may not want one. That's what we mean by CHOICE, got it? If I said she should abort, just as you say she shouldn't abort, then there's NO CHOICE, got it? I'm talking about allowing a choice for 32,000 women made pregnant by rape every year, got it? That's what the term "pro choice" means, got it? The keyword -- CHOICE? Ring a bell? Do I tell you not to counsel or persuade her against abortion? No I don't. Go ahead.
Problem is the ultimate law of the land, the constitution, never says anything about the right to choice. The right to privacy is no where in the consistitution which means the courts made it up and gave themselves too much power. Should be a state law as the 9th amendment says. And yet again rape is the only things people of prochoice can turn to for their arguement.
LISTEN- you being a pro-lifer strongly feel that abortion is wrong. BUT- in your opinion what is better for the child-
1.) For it to be brought into an unwanted world, sent to an orphanage because the mother was a victim of rape, OR
2.) the child never existed.
pro-lifers always seem to say "it is the women's fault". perhaps it is the women's fault, but why impose such a difficult life on the child? So what if it their fault? The well-being of the child is much MORE important.
Rape make up half a percent of abortions. 98.5 percent are because it was the woman's fault. And you say that a child born who is unwanted will never experience joy in their life. Let them live and exist to see this world. You can't kill an infant because of predictions.
You shouldn't use that as am Arguemtn. We can never know what a child of rape feels. I know someone whose mother was raped and he was the offspring. He enjoys the fact that he's alive and finds it aggrivating and ignorant that people think that he would wish he was never born. People like that do not want people to decide their life's fate.
i agree man. i never knew my dad, my mom was raped and its very annoying when people say stupid shit like "think about the child going to an orphanage and feeling bad about all this." well, if americans didn't live in such a shitty society then they wouldn't have a stigma like that. plus, i'm glad i'm alive. it's retarded when people say "think about the child" then turn around and say "what if the mothers just doesn't want the baby?" real fucking brilliant.
oh and i'm not saying i don't agree or disagree with abortion (and pro-life doesn't refer to just abortion damnit), i'm just saing that it's stupid to say things like "think about the child" when you won't know how he will feel, and it's equally stupid to use rape as some reason to be for/against it. i don't know how you americans have your laws, but here in canada, we don't use emotion to make our laws.
That's what I'm saying, sort of. Even though I'm pro-life (in all terms, I'm also against capital punishment and whatnot as well) I still understand that using rape is a pathetic way to get your point across for either side of the debate. And yeah, our society is backwards compared to the rest of the world, but, whatever works I guess, haha. Sheesh, I'm a liberal as hell and I'm pro-life.
yeah what sucks is when people put religion into the question. it's not a question of religion, people need to take a class on government or sociology. religion isn't an indicator in politics, at least not as much as people want to believe. i'm not religious but it pisses me off when people say that, like they're creating some enemy that isn't even an enemy.
I understand. That's politics though. We argue over things then the next minute we're having a beer together, talking about our favorite football team or how hot Jennifer Aniston is.
I would support a ban on abortion because it is a life, but so is the one that is giving the life, having a choice is still better than no choice. We have to respect life. We cant go by the cold words to decide who dies and who lives. If we would allow the sex that was none procreative we would satisfy our sexual needs and not have the problems associated with procreative sex, zoosexuals and good beastialists should have rights and not be persecuted. actionlove, zoophile net.
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Which is why universal health care is so dangerous...it pays for abortion with taxpayers money (even those who don't believe in abortion). So much for "pro-choice".
200 years ago Slavery was legal and slaves were killed because they were not considerd human. But today we all know that slavery is wrong. Samething with abortion. It's legal and were killing unborn babies because some people believe it's not considerd human. But to tell the truth I believe those who believe in abortion are ones not considerd human.
You seem to think abortion is a game for some women: "Hey girls, whatcha doin' today? Tell ya what! Let's go have an ABORTION! I know this REALLY COOL place, with this REALLY HOT doctor..."
If it were that simple, would YOU be around today? Ever thought about why women would seek to rip out A PART OF THEMSELVES? I'd strongly recommend you talk to such women and try to get their reasons; not the social butterflies worried about stretch marks, but underaged girls raped by relatives, etc.
Definately, there are always different circumstances involved, but I think most people have come to realize that a life is a life. Overseas & at home, at war & at peace. Is it criminal to take the life of one, comepletely and utterly defenseless? I'd venture to say it is. But a life is a life, whether ending it or keeping it under lock & key. Either way, you'll have to pay for it, in one of many ways. And eventually, in all cases, it would cost in Federal taxes. Hence, they lay no claim.
The sad thing about that is that the majority of those who ask for abortions don't ask for it because they were raped, but because they jsut don't want the child.
So you are saying that if she is preganant and she doesn't want to have a child, she doesn't have to? They invented condoms for a reason. You take your own risks in life. It's a child, not a toy. It doesn't matter when you define life, it still has the potential of creating a human life. I can understand in cases of rape, but "just because she doesn't want to" is not a good reason. Try getting off of rape by saying "because I wanted to."
If John McCain makes it to be PRESIDENT he will finish off "GEORGE BUSH RECESSION" and take AMERICA into a "GREAT DEPRESSION". The reason why is because he wants to stay in IRAQ and that is the reason why our economy is down. To be truthful "BARACK OBAMA" is the only CANDIDATE that can restore our relations and CHANGE the way eastern countries look at us. Now if we stay in IRAQ and lose more TROOPS and more MONEY we won't be able to fight a war with a super power like CHINA or RUSSIA.
your country is going bankrupt that may be hard to crasp im sure it was hard for the russians to crasp 20 yrs ago but its coming thats for sure. RON PAUL is the only one addrressing this but who cares right. wake up america!!!! youtube "ron paul" now to be awaken and finally learn for yourselves.
I see all my comments were deleted. Interesting. Oh well, Jesse was still healed by God from falling from a second story window, and tearing his spleen. Medical professionals at UC Davis were witness. Was done in the name of and by the power of: JESUS CHRIST. Merry Christmas.
It shouldn't be left up to the states either. That wouldn't do anything. People would just go to another state if they wanted one but in their state it is illegal. It should be left up to the people that have to make the choice inside the clinic.
urlocalsavage, here's an answer: you exist right? something had to create you right? whatever that entity is that created you, is God. you can't have something from nothing...forget about religious bullshit...God is above any religion. religions are political nests with agendas other than God's...i don't see evidence of a boogeyman, but i do off God. that evidence is my existence and the existence of all else in this world
That's not very convincing logic. One could believe in a variety of things and say that the evidence for this divine "thing" is the fact that they exist. The idea of a god was made by man to comfort man. Humans are forced to comfort themselves with lies so they don't have to admit that they mean NOTHING. We are nothing but animals who have evolved into intelligent, thinking beings. It's no wonder that we share ninety-three percent of the same DNA as chimps.
And by all means, I'm not telling you to stop believing in an afterlife and that humans are somehow superior to other animals, but you believing in such things does not make it true, nor does it make it more believable than the EVIDENCE to the contrary.
did i say that there was one way to view God? i don't care if you think God is a pumpkin...there is no denying that something created us...i do not deny evolution...nowhere did i say that...i believe that evolution is part of God's plan for us, but i don't expect you to believe that. i never made mention of an afterlife either...all i said is that something created us and i choose to name that something God. what is your explanation for our existence if nothing created us?
Please, do tell, where is your evidence and your proof? There is no evidence anywhere that could tell us that we were exploded into being. You cant prove it, just like I cant to someone as close minded as you and I. In my opinion, this debate(or God and evolution) will never end, with each side never accepting the others evidence or proof.
If god is real, how come Zeus isn't real? What about the sand man? Why aren't they real, but God is?Tell me, I would love to understand your logic behind that, enlighten me please.
They aren't real because when you pray to them, nothing happens. Try actually praying to God. Ask him to show himself to you. I did, and I was blown away! I've seen God's power and felt His Presence. I pray to God, and people get jobs and raises. They get healing and miracles. What's old Zeus, or Buddha, or Mohammed got on that? Nada.
for 10 years i prayed i even carried a bible where ever i went and i asked for god to show himself to me so i could see that wot i believe was true did it happpen no! even when i nearly got killed by falling out of a stupid second floor house window when i went to the hospital after that my heart beat stopped for 2 minutes but i didnt see no bright light no angels nothing just blackness ur logical and theolgy and ideaolgy is bogus my friend.
Because he had no part in it. It was man, man has made thousands of advances in technology and medicine, not God.Man made it possible for people to survive tuberculosis or other life threatening diseases.100 yrs ago, people never dreamed of going to the moon, it wasn't a miracle that we got there, it was all a result of advances made by man.
think about it, as time progresses less people die of diseases than in previous years. Why does God like people in this day and age more? Why has he chosen to perform miracles on people in the present? What about people who got tuberculosis and died of it about 100 yrs ago?
Because if the doctors did anything to that boy, gave him medication, did any procedure it wasn't a miracle.If nothing was done to the boy, he wasn't given any medication or any medical attention then it was a miracle, but if man had a hand in it, it wasn't solely God, so it wasn't a miracle.
who wants to convert to boogianity, if you ask me it's not much different from christianity.Convert now or you will not be taken back to the boogey man's palace when he returns to earth.Government run alex?we don't want the government telling us what to do buddy so take your bullshit somewhere else, you functionally retarded douche bag
Not possible. The persons spirit has left the body and now resides in heaven or hell. In essence, "they" can't come back. But if you want stories of infants dying on the table, being dead for 34 minutes, then prayed back to life, I've got a few of those.
I've got it I will call it Boogianity. In Boogianity, the boogey man created all life, then during the 12th hour he created corn, and from this corn he made man during the 14th hour.All of this is explained in our book called The Book of jack-o-lanterns.
No. See, you can't lay hands on people in the name of Boogianity and see them healed,or see miracles in their finances. Boogianity has no reality. Jesus name however, is responsible for all that and more... I personally know people healed of Hepatitus C, Lupus, even a 2 year old toddler that fell from a 2nd story window and tore his spleen, but yet, pray for him and lay hands on him in the name of JESUS CHRIST... and boom! Instantly healed.
I saw 14 people wheel themselves into my church of boogianity and the minister healed all of them. 7 were paralyzed, other 7 were paralyzed and dying of AIDS, and he cured them all in the name of boogianity.And by the way it is possible for a toddler to survive a fall that big, and tearing your spleen isn't fatal.With surgery you can survive, like chris simms from the Buccaneers
1.)Except that the toddler had torn the spleen, had massive internal bleeding and was being air-lifted from Roseville Sutter hospital to UC Davis. When he got there, the bleeding was gone, as was the tear. MIRACLE.
sithsaber is a fuckin fake, that's bullshit.One minute he's an inch away from death, he's perfectly fine?I smell bullshit.Where exactly did all the blood that leaked into his chest cavity go?Did the doctors give him any medication at all?
No friend, this really happened. Try to think outside the box. God is above our normal, "earthly" laws. "One minute he's an inch away from death, next he's fine?" Yup, that's exactly what happend. No medication was given, the boy was unconscious when brought to the hospital. The blood in his chest cavity didn't "go" anywhere, the Lord removed it. This little boy is alive and well, his names Jesse and his grandmother is a prayer warrior at our church.
Sorry sithsaber408 but your logic seems flawed,if "jesus,God"is above our earthly laws,how can he not return the dead back to life? I though "God" was above our earthly laws.The "tear" in the boy was more than likely just fabricated by someone who didnt know the whole story,from my own personal experience,you find out about internal bleeding at the hospital =/
God can return somebody back to like, if he wishes. I never said he couldn't. I said people have the power to heal, to cast out demons, etc... but not to grab a soul out of heaven or hell and put it back in a body that's been dead for 20+ years. ONLY God could do that.
The boys tear in his spleen/internal bleeding weren't fabricated, they were reported by the doctor on duty at Sutter Roseville Medical Center in CA. The grandmother was right outside the room as this happened. The dr. said he had to be sent by helicopter to UC Davis Med center. When he arrived, all tests showed he was fine, with no tear or internal bleeding and the doctors were baffled. You can either believe that or not, but I'm not lying to you.
How about when someone gets shot in the face and had 4 sec left to live; pray to god and see if he heals. Why are all the stories of healing only occur inside the body. Why isn't there stories of people growing back limbs miraculously?
you know what...that is what I am, I believe the boogey man is almighty and all powerful and he can do anything. I believe he's our creator and he created the heavens and the earth in 14 hours.He said that to me...I am his prophet.But what will i call this new religion?We are looking for converts, because sometime in the future the boogey man will return to earth and will bring all believers to his palace in the sky,and the non believers will perish in fire.
And you haven't been brainwashed by the religious people,by your church? religion is an opiate of the masses, you would love to believe that something better is waiting for you after you die but sorry, this is the best it gets.There isn't some magical being that can do anything, believing in that is no different from believing in the boogey man.
urlocalSAVAGE and BarbblerElfTG08 are just two fucking atheists who have been easily brainwashed in the un-Godly public (government) evolution preaching school system. This is the product you get. A couple of idiots who took the bait. Hook, line and sinker. How pathetic.
It's called the "theory" of evolution dipshit. There is more scientific and geological evidence supporting Creation than there is evolution. You just have to research it and stop being such a lazy fuck. Your public school indoctrination obviously got the best of you. Darwin is dead. So are his theories.
hey asshole i'll have you know that i am working on my phd in biology, and his theories have in fact been proven. you can't even argue that. also america is not an oligarchy, we have first amendment rights and if you knew anything about your country you would realize that freedom of religion is a clause of that amendment so fuck off about the public schools.
Keep working on that PHD dumbshit, you have a lot to learn still. Especially in regards to scienfific proofs regarding theories. Your whole basic premise is flawed in that your theory doesn't even support the scientific model. You should already know that, but then again I completed my doctorate 25 years ago. Now go do your homework student. You are brain dead.
25 years ago... that explains it. too bad that you can sit here and try to change peoples lives so that they abide by your standards, but no matter what you say the constitution still stands and no matter who is president congress will never let a federal ban on abortion be implemented
I am for states rights. Why do you insist that I am trying to change peoples lives?
I applaud the constitution. Roe -vs- Wade needs to be taken out and the states can handle it. Are you a teenager? You say things that seem like you have had a very limited education.
"A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena."
I am not sure how evolution has been tested?? But I haven't done the research.
"An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture."
Newton's theory of universal gravity - apples still fall
Theory of evolution - why aren't we still walking out of the woods / forest / brush and cutting tails off? I don't remember the last time I saw a monkey with a knife.
Um, what scientific and geological evidence supports creation? Don't you think "evidence" is a strong word? The word "evidence" implies proof that creation is true, which would completely nullify the idea of faith since faith requires a lack of proof.
This really isn't the forum for a debate on Creation -vs- Evolution. I think the whole evolution theory is pretty retarded but I also think that Religion is pretty messed up too. I just happen to believe that there is a Creator and that He was also the Christ who visited us 2000 years ago. I also see tons of evidence supporting the Biblical flood. If you don't then that's perfectly fine with me.
Well how about a city boy from the California Bay Area?
Abortion=murder. Lots of people know it to be true. Others pretend but thank their lucky stars that there mothers didn't excercise that "choice" as they wouldn't have life or any voice to spout this BS.
the ability to kill a fetus because they have no morals, pride, or sense of responsibility to even wear a condom is an awesome right for women ... i never saw it that way.
It takes more faith to believe in Naturalism and the dogma of evolution. You've decided in your religion of falsehood but there will be a day when you can ask God yourself. Nothing will be hidden, though I tell you now when you're dead, it's TOO LATE for forgiveness.
Hell is the absence of Good just like cold is the absence of heat energy. Be ready to meet thy Maker.
urlocalSavage. There is an overwhelming amount of scientific evidence that supports the earth being less than 10,000 years old. But there are many like you who don't wish to research it because if it appears at all convincing you will have to admit there might be more to this God thing and you might be accountable for your sins.
Renzaura knows it's bullshit, he just thinks if he believes he'll get to go to heaven because that's what they tell him at church.I've been to church and they tell you to not ask questions,to just have fate.Because they're trying to brainwash you shit for brains,so they can collect your tides every sunday.
what? God never said anything, the bible is a collection of books.Jesus wasn't born on the 25th of december he was born in the spring.And how the fuck can a woman become pregnant if she never had sex?Don't anwer that, we know wut you're gonna say...God is above all,he's all powerful,he can do anything...Jackass this isn't d&d this is real fuckin life!
...In 2000, when the recount was ordered, George Bush went to the Supreme Court and sued.And 9 men decided who would be the next president of the united states, and when 9 men make a decision that will affect everyone in this country...that is a dictatorship.
And when no more than 10 men sit around and debate the freedoms of over 150 million people, that my friends is a dictatorship.america is a dictatorship and here is why...
Those with tails were killed off by predators, so shorter tails were selected because they were better equipped to survive.And those with shorter tails mated with those that also had shorter tails until the tail became non-existent, but the coccyx is a remnant.
Sure, something cant come from nothing. But I dont think God is a "something" in any sense that we could understand. How fucking proud are we humans if we think we can challenge the very existence of our creator because we dont understand everything about him?
Nothing is impossible for God. 6 days could have happened in 1 second yet God did it in 6 days for a reason. Read God's Word from cover to cover and find out the reason.
I think the best way of looking at the issue of abortion is this:
"The right of life is greater than the right of not wanting to be pregnant."
Abortion as birth control is the issue here, not the very small percentage of victim pregnancies from rape or incest. The latter are the only ones that should have to be dealt with by the courts.
renzaura no one said humans came from apes.The theory is that the genus homo and the genus pan are descendant from a common ancestor. At some point in history "humans" came out the trees and began to walk upright,while our relatives remained in the trees.
ok, descendants of a primate. Still false, in my opinion.
1.Only a young earth supports our current worldwide population density.
2.The geological record has multiple time frames in the same level,which supports the arranging of animal/plant matter of the SAME period just swooshed around due to receding flood waters.
3.Radioactive decay can be altered by puting non-radioactive material near radioactive material,which resets what's recorded.
man and primates did share a common ancestor. look at the way humans walk, our skull structures, we once had a tail.Humans came out the trees, lost our tail, and began to walk upright.We developed our brains and went from using only physical strength to survive to using our witts.All happened in about 1.8 million yrs and God was not involved.
Jackass, yes they did.Your tailbone used to extend much longer asshole.Humans, chimpanzees and apes share a common ancestor.Both humans and chimpanzees have a larynx that repositions itself to a spot between the pharynx n the lungs.The only similarity is not the fact that we are both mammals,douche bag.
Fuckface. Get your head out of your ass. No wait. Leave it there, that way you can try and view your "tail" LOL. The coccyx is not a tail you fucking foolish dweeb. It serves as an attachment for several ligaments and tendons to the hip joints and pelvic floor. The tail on a chimp doesn't serve that purpose you fucking retarded neanderthal.
jackass the coccyx was once a tail. Humans lost the tail when we began to walk upright, because it would have made us prey.When we began to walk upright we sacrificed speed, the tail would have made us prey because a predator could easily grab our tail and kill us.
to just say God did it is extremely ignorant and naive. And to say God's reasons are too complicated for people to understand is just as foolish. It's just a reason for you to not have to think.Doing things because you think it will please God is a very foolish thing to do.
That's like looking at a Nissan Skyline GTR and saying there was no engineer that made it.
It made itself over millions of years. That's being naive. Intelligent design requires a designer. Your eyes would have never evolved. They were wonderfully made.
"It's a federal issue of women's rights and women's equality. It would end up going to the supreme court to decide if a woman's body is hers to defend.
When abortion is illegal in one state but legal in another... and I go from the illegal state to the legal state to get one done, and my home state charges me with a crime... it's now a federal issue..."
"If a fetus has a right to life this right to life exists in ALL states, sorta how civil rights exist in all states... so if one state says 'no fetuses don't get rights' then it becomes a federal issue.
It's all nice and dandy to say "state's issue" but ultimately it's a national issue."
That's why couples shouldn't get to pregnancy until they're married. There was a reason for true love and marriage.
Casual sex ruins families and ruins society with illegitimate children that people who had them should have taken care of to begin with. It's called responsibility, consequence and morals. SIN corrupts.
I don't want children and I use contraceptives, but what if it fails? My HUSBAND and I are not financially or emotionally ready to have a child. You want me to keep an unwanted child??? No. I refuse. I should not have to alter my life completely because of a non-sentient, unfeeling thing inside me just because I was with my husband.
A child is a gift so if you don't want that gift, then you could give it away for adoption and never see your baby again.
There are many birth control options available today but once an egg is fertilized, that's a life and murder is happening. Except for a miscarriage, that's not your fault, but you'll see your child again if you go to Heaven.
If God is real, why isn't the boogey man real?Or the sand man?or Santa Clause?You can't go to hell if you don't believe in one.renzaura it's a shame you believe the shit they feed you at church...you're beyond repair.
So you would be in favor of ignoring all logic and simply saying it was done by God?wow...that's so simple it's scary,no wonder this country is going down the toilet...people like you are walking around spreading ignorance.
It's not surprising for man to be thinking up theories of how things came to be, just to pat themselves on the back and find out how wrong they were they they die. They had a whole lifetime to learn what the truth really was but failed to study it.
As a blacksmith sharpens his sword and shapes it in fire, so too will all impurities melt away from the earth.
If you are real does that mean you come from giraffes, or birds, or horses?
Yes, you can go to Hell even if you don't believe in it, just like you can fall off a cliff thinking you won't drop.
Nothing will change reality.
You must understand Origin and Power.
Your own atoms wouldn't spin without God allowing them to. You wouldn't even be able to breathe or stay warm without His power, just like your computer wouldn't work without electricity.
You don't have to believe it, just like you don't have to believe in physics.
You are free to choose whatever you want to do and I'm not stopping you. I just want people to know what they are doing. That there are consequences for actions for the Laws of the universe do not change for anyone, regardless of what they think.
wow the same old wind argument.Wind is there you can feel it,you can see it act upon objects,you can measure the speed of it.You can't compare wind and God,because there is actual proof of wind jackass.renzaura stop talking because common sense obviously doesn't come easily for you.
The earth is about 4.5 billion years old,human life is about 1.8 million years old,and in that 1.8 million years we've managed to turn this planet into a shithole.We've depleted a lot of natural resources and an abortion ban would only add to the burden our population puts on the environment.
i know it's hard for religious people to understand some things.If we ban abortions,that means more people.More people adds to the burden on our resources and hurts the environment.And Faith is just an excuse to be simple minded.
Even though I disagree with abortion, I also think the Federal Government should NOT be involved. Leave it to the States.
It's a community issue, not a national issue. The family and local caring church, or relatives/friends should help the expecting mother.
We shouldn't allow the governemnt to further bureaucracy and take more taxes from us when personal choices should be left to the individual and local level.
and i completely agree with you, that was my whole point it's not up to the government to decide thats what i was arguing the whole time i wasn't trying to change your opinion on the matter i couldn't care less what your thoughts are i just don't think it's right to have someone elses view affect what i am allowed to do.
and yes abortion is a reserved power, not a federal one, it is up to the states
Yes and that's why Ron Paul is our only Hope For America. He will fix the root causes (end the Federal Reserve/IRS mafia, CIA drug lords, Homeland Security tyranny police and prison camps) and get back to the Constitution so all of us will have our freedoms back.
We no longer have our Bill of Rights...yet many people aren't even aware. We are all terrorists for the next dictator.
YES. I love how we completely different opinions, and yet can come to terms and find a common place. I hope that there are enough people out there who are intelligent enough to realize that ron paul is our only hope.
Agreed. Freedom is popular and I truly hope that the message is heard because the mainstream media is definitely working for the Satanic New World Order agenda led by the Illuminati and Bilderberg group. These insane elitists are trying to peg Ron Paul as the crazy one but the intelligent people know better!!
I hope for people to break away from the mind control attacks constantly in the media. The battle is raging.
If the earth were 6000 yrs old then dinosaurs and humans would of had to exist at the same time.That means dinosaurs on noah's ark,and the comet that destroyed the dinosaurs...why didn't it destroy the humans?There is absolutely no evidence supporting that the earth is 6000 yrs old,there is evidence supporting that the earth is about 4.5 billion yrs old.
Reptiles and humans lived longer before the flood and yes they did live together.
drdino. com/downloads.php
Understand the 4th density (spiritual realm) and you'll learn even more.
You only think in the 3rd density now because that's all you can see. It's like not trusting wind for a plane flight. It's there whether you believe it or not. So are all spiritual things also real. God, Satan, angels, demons, etc.
And therin is your problem. You admit to valuing the lives of animals and insects over humans, who paint pictures and write symphonies and type comments on YOUTUBE! If you can't see the stupidity of your logic at this point, then there is little hope for you. As it is, that last comment pretty much eliminates ANYTHING of substance that you posted. "Can you prove that mice cannot dream?" THAT's your reasoning for defending abortion?
You said that the issue depends on "when you believe a baby becomes a human". The baby is ALWAYS human. It's not a cow fetus, or a duck. It's human. And it's alive and human only OUT OF THE WOMB?(according to you) And that is rather ignorant, as I've stated, because an 8 month along baby isn't human (not out of the womb) but a 6 months along premature born IS human(out of the womb)by your way of reason.
I am a woman...I believe that we are not smart enough to know when life begins so we should err on the side of caution and move to preserve life. I know people who have had abortion...one a close relative who regrets it everyday to the point where it hurts her to look at other people's kids...but why shouldn't men have a say in this? Its their kids too. Abortion didn't give power to women, it took it away and gave more to the men.
You're not making a very good argument by bringing God into this.This country shows no preference when it comes to religious beliefs, so to say that abortion should be outlawed because it's in the bible just invalidates your point.
Ron Paul.
Nevermind900426 5 months ago
The problem you guys have is that if you return it to the states to make the decision then what happens if a pregnant woman wants an abortion in a state where it is illegal, well if she is wealthy thats fine she can just travel, if she is poor she is screwed. It is also the poor people who have most to fear from untimely children.
DukeofWellington91 11 months ago
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE SHOULDN'T EVEN BE HAVING THIS ARGUMENT. It is obvious that apple pie is the best pie of all!!!!!!
screwu18 1 year ago
9/11 was an inside job ... Proof ... youtube.com/watch?v=ssuAMNas1us
parish32 1 year ago
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So called catholic politicians can't be pro
abortion because if they are then they are not
a faithful catholic. Repent and become a
faithful catholic or don't call yourself what you
are not.
2000yrCatholic 2 years ago
Any so called catholic politician that is pro
abortion is not a catholic at all. You can't
have your cake and eat it to. Repent and
become a faithful catholic or don't call yourself
a catholic anymore.
2000yrCatholic 2 years ago
Overturn Roe V Wade and leave it up to states, but a national ban is just as unconstitutional.
cpblackangel88 2 years ago
I love Romney's Hair. Thats good hair.
sethmanrockandroll 2 years ago 2
pro life this and pro life that. IT is all so easy for people who never have to work another day in their lives to say that as they no longer need to worry about america's spiraling education systems , healthcare and secondary education systems. Sure you may not want to kill the fetus, but are you at the same time willing to adopt every single child born ino a family who for all intensive purposes did not want the child. If you can garantee this then you can make you "pro life" claims ethically
Uncagedculex 2 years ago
How does this "make it a state level decision" thing work? Anyone seeking abortion could then go and get it done in a state where it is legal, couldn't they?
Women are not demons seeking to abort every fetus. If they were, you wouldn't be around debating this, would you?
Most women seeking abortion would have genuine reasons. Don't use anecdotes of unnecessary abortions or "morality" to support your case against it. Do we ban the kitchen knife even though it is commonly used for murder?
RatRaceAce 3 years ago
They should close their legs or use the fucking pill. Women who get five abortions. Are you out of your fucking mind? And to say kitchen knifes can kill a person you are implying that abortion kills a person as well.
dshct 3 years ago
You still overlooked my point regarding pregnancy through rape and domestic violence. Talk to these women first before you pass judgments on their issues.
RatRaceAce 3 years ago
Raoe cases make up a miniscule percent of the abortions that occur. Most abortions are a form of birth control. Most occur because people are not responsible and need to think before they have sex.
dshct 3 years ago
You would have more credibility if you said you were against abortion as a form of birth control but respected the right of choice for women who became pregnant through rape and other acts of violence beyond their control. But, NO. You callously dismiss such traumatized women as "miniscule and therefore insignificant"; annoying statistical blips that deliberately set out to ruin your otherwise perfect anti-abortion sales pitch. Do you say that protection under the law should be based on numbers?
RatRaceAce 3 years ago
Well you see the percentage is miniscule and yet that is the first issue a pro- abortion person uses. And Rape is illegal so their is your protection under the law. The law does not sa that women have a right to choice. No where in the constitution does a women have a right to privacy. It is a states right to decide the issue of abortion.
dshct 3 years ago
Well, they HAVE to bring up the question of rape, because you guys refuse to address it. Surely you should be able to give a straight answer to that question? But no: you want to take the "no exceptions" approach based on mindless and outdated religious beliefs. If the law doesn't guarantee fundamental rights to women, you should be fighting for it, not using it as an excuse against them. Americans didn't have rights against the British either, but they demanded and fought for it, didn't they?
RatRaceAce 3 years ago
You really going to pull up the Revoluton for defense of abortion right. Ok. Look in the Consistution. In it you will not find one mention of the right to privavcy any where in it. Which means it is a state right to decide the law and when a woman can get an abortion because of rape and other issues. You keep mentioning rape victims because that is the only card you have to play. Most abortions are because people are irresponsible and want to take the cheapest and simpliest solution.
dshct 3 years ago
A 1996 study (Holmes et al) showed 32,000 pregnancies resulted from rape (we're talking about the reported cases). I suppose 32,000 would be "minuscule" as far as you are concerned; not worth the trouble of even putting some thought into how these traumatized women could be dealt with. So you conveniently club them together with the "irresponsible abortionists" and demonize them, calling them baby killers, murderers, etc.
RatRaceAce 3 years ago
Same study. .3%. Yeah. That is miniscule. How do you know that a raped woman would want an abortion. That she would see the child as evil before he or she is even born. 98% are those irresponsible abortionists. Women who may look down the road and realize they had killed a child. Their child.
dshct 3 years ago
No, I don't know a raped woman would WANT an abortion. She may want one, or she may not want one. That's what we mean by CHOICE, got it? If I said she should abort, just as you say she shouldn't abort, then there's NO CHOICE, got it? I'm talking about allowing a choice for 32,000 women made pregnant by rape every year, got it? That's what the term "pro choice" means, got it? The keyword -- CHOICE? Ring a bell? Do I tell you not to counsel or persuade her against abortion? No I don't. Go ahead.
RatRaceAce 3 years ago
Problem is the ultimate law of the land, the constitution, never says anything about the right to choice. The right to privacy is no where in the consistitution which means the courts made it up and gave themselves too much power. Should be a state law as the 9th amendment says. And yet again rape is the only things people of prochoice can turn to for their arguement.
dshct 3 years ago
LISTEN- you being a pro-lifer strongly feel that abortion is wrong. BUT- in your opinion what is better for the child-
1.) For it to be brought into an unwanted world, sent to an orphanage because the mother was a victim of rape, OR
2.) the child never existed.
pro-lifers always seem to say "it is the women's fault". perhaps it is the women's fault, but why impose such a difficult life on the child? So what if it their fault? The well-being of the child is much MORE important.
ppjj8 2 years ago
Rape make up half a percent of abortions. 98.5 percent are because it was the woman's fault. And you say that a child born who is unwanted will never experience joy in their life. Let them live and exist to see this world. You can't kill an infant because of predictions.
dshct 2 years ago
You shouldn't use that as am Arguemtn. We can never know what a child of rape feels. I know someone whose mother was raped and he was the offspring. He enjoys the fact that he's alive and finds it aggrivating and ignorant that people think that he would wish he was never born. People like that do not want people to decide their life's fate.
iwebber88 2 years ago
i agree man. i never knew my dad, my mom was raped and its very annoying when people say stupid shit like "think about the child going to an orphanage and feeling bad about all this." well, if americans didn't live in such a shitty society then they wouldn't have a stigma like that. plus, i'm glad i'm alive. it's retarded when people say "think about the child" then turn around and say "what if the mothers just doesn't want the baby?" real fucking brilliant.
XxTurtleManxX 2 years ago
oh and i'm not saying i don't agree or disagree with abortion (and pro-life doesn't refer to just abortion damnit), i'm just saing that it's stupid to say things like "think about the child" when you won't know how he will feel, and it's equally stupid to use rape as some reason to be for/against it. i don't know how you americans have your laws, but here in canada, we don't use emotion to make our laws.
XxTurtleManxX 2 years ago
That's what I'm saying, sort of. Even though I'm pro-life (in all terms, I'm also against capital punishment and whatnot as well) I still understand that using rape is a pathetic way to get your point across for either side of the debate. And yeah, our society is backwards compared to the rest of the world, but, whatever works I guess, haha. Sheesh, I'm a liberal as hell and I'm pro-life.
iwebber88 2 years ago
yeah what sucks is when people put religion into the question. it's not a question of religion, people need to take a class on government or sociology. religion isn't an indicator in politics, at least not as much as people want to believe. i'm not religious but it pisses me off when people say that, like they're creating some enemy that isn't even an enemy.
XxTurtleManxX 2 years ago
I understand. That's politics though. We argue over things then the next minute we're having a beer together, talking about our favorite football team or how hot Jennifer Aniston is.
iwebber88 2 years ago
I would support a ban on abortion because it is a life, but so is the one that is giving the life, having a choice is still better than no choice. We have to respect life. We cant go by the cold words to decide who dies and who lives. If we would allow the sex that was none procreative we would satisfy our sexual needs and not have the problems associated with procreative sex, zoosexuals and good beastialists should have rights and not be persecuted. actionlove, zoophile net.
kobidobidog 3 years ago
i like pie
reddalater17 3 years ago 8
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JustAnotherGuy186 1 year ago
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debowli 11 months ago
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cindeemorgan 3 years ago
Thank god Abortion is legal and always will be.
In Canada, Abortion procedure is covered in the provincial health plan.
ChocolateDames 3 years ago
Which is why universal health care is so dangerous...it pays for abortion with taxpayers money (even those who don't believe in abortion). So much for "pro-choice".
TolsmaLMC 3 years ago
DO YOU THINK ARBOTION IS MORAL?
208528222 3 years ago
I could never have an abortion, but I firmly believe in the women's right to choose. It should be left alone.
Jantv81 3 years ago
200 years ago Slavery was legal and slaves were killed because they were not considerd human. But today we all know that slavery is wrong. Samething with abortion. It's legal and were killing unborn babies because some people believe it's not considerd human. But to tell the truth I believe those who believe in abortion are ones not considerd human.
TrueJudgeman 3 years ago
You seem to think abortion is a game for some women: "Hey girls, whatcha doin' today? Tell ya what! Let's go have an ABORTION! I know this REALLY COOL place, with this REALLY HOT doctor..."
If it were that simple, would YOU be around today? Ever thought about why women would seek to rip out A PART OF THEMSELVES? I'd strongly recommend you talk to such women and try to get their reasons; not the social butterflies worried about stretch marks, but underaged girls raped by relatives, etc.
RatRaceAce 3 years ago
what a backward country!
madelinefauchelevant 3 years ago 2
this is such a fucking copout. woohoo, lets push it to someone else.
progenitor00 3 years ago
Definately, there are always different circumstances involved, but I think most people have come to realize that a life is a life. Overseas & at home, at war & at peace. Is it criminal to take the life of one, comepletely and utterly defenseless? I'd venture to say it is. But a life is a life, whether ending it or keeping it under lock & key. Either way, you'll have to pay for it, in one of many ways. And eventually, in all cases, it would cost in Federal taxes. Hence, they lay no claim.
Trueacsension 4 years ago
abortion should be the choice of the pregnant, a 14 year girl gets raped and she cant choose to get an abortion?, come on now!
logician008 4 years ago
The sad thing about that is that the majority of those who ask for abortions don't ask for it because they were raped, but because they jsut don't want the child.
iwebber88 3 years ago 4
and ur point is?
if she doesnt want a kid she doesnt have 2 have 1...
Zomfsm 2 years ago
So you are saying that if she is preganant and she doesn't want to have a child, she doesn't have to? They invented condoms for a reason. You take your own risks in life. It's a child, not a toy. It doesn't matter when you define life, it still has the potential of creating a human life. I can understand in cases of rape, but "just because she doesn't want to" is not a good reason. Try getting off of rape by saying "because I wanted to."
iwebber88 2 years ago
If John McCain makes it to be PRESIDENT he will finish off "GEORGE BUSH RECESSION" and take AMERICA into a "GREAT DEPRESSION". The reason why is because he wants to stay in IRAQ and that is the reason why our economy is down. To be truthful "BARACK OBAMA" is the only CANDIDATE that can restore our relations and CHANGE the way eastern countries look at us. Now if we stay in IRAQ and lose more TROOPS and more MONEY we won't be able to fight a war with a super power like CHINA or RUSSIA.
seay812 4 years ago
your country is going bankrupt that may be hard to crasp im sure it was hard for the russians to crasp 20 yrs ago but its coming thats for sure. RON PAUL is the only one addrressing this but who cares right. wake up america!!!! youtube "ron paul" now to be awaken and finally learn for yourselves.
spanishaustralian 4 years ago
jesus these men are idiots.
shereshe1 4 years ago
fuck you motherfucker, liberals like you make me sick
bobem12 4 years ago
bobem12, how exactly do you know he's liberal? He could be a conservative who dislikes most of the conservative candidates.
raychie18 4 years ago 2
fuck you unclefucker, human beings like you make me sick.
CBGB42 3 years ago
I see all my comments were deleted. Interesting. Oh well, Jesse was still healed by God from falling from a second story window, and tearing his spleen. Medical professionals at UC Davis were witness. Was done in the name of and by the power of: JESUS CHRIST. Merry Christmas.
sithsaber408 4 years ago
And now they're back? whats goin on?
sithsaber408 4 years ago
It could've been done by Muhammad, and don't you forget it.
cer377 4 years ago
RUDY JUST LOST MY VOTE
zaktuta 4 years ago
Rudy is right on this issue... It should be over turned and left up to the states.
LetFreedomRlng 4 years ago
It shouldn't be left up to the states either. That wouldn't do anything. People would just go to another state if they wanted one but in their state it is illegal. It should be left up to the people that have to make the choice inside the clinic.
FullMetalElric90 4 years ago
urlocalsavage, here's an answer: you exist right? something had to create you right? whatever that entity is that created you, is God. you can't have something from nothing...forget about religious bullshit...God is above any religion. religions are political nests with agendas other than God's...i don't see evidence of a boogeyman, but i do off God. that evidence is my existence and the existence of all else in this world
vrlobo88 4 years ago
That's not very convincing logic. One could believe in a variety of things and say that the evidence for this divine "thing" is the fact that they exist. The idea of a god was made by man to comfort man. Humans are forced to comfort themselves with lies so they don't have to admit that they mean NOTHING. We are nothing but animals who have evolved into intelligent, thinking beings. It's no wonder that we share ninety-three percent of the same DNA as chimps.
cer377 4 years ago
And by all means, I'm not telling you to stop believing in an afterlife and that humans are somehow superior to other animals, but you believing in such things does not make it true, nor does it make it more believable than the EVIDENCE to the contrary.
cer377 4 years ago
did i say that there was one way to view God? i don't care if you think God is a pumpkin...there is no denying that something created us...i do not deny evolution...nowhere did i say that...i believe that evolution is part of God's plan for us, but i don't expect you to believe that. i never made mention of an afterlife either...all i said is that something created us and i choose to name that something God. what is your explanation for our existence if nothing created us?
vrlobo88 4 years ago
I believe in a cyclical universe. And, there is plenty of room to deny that something created us, especially with a lack of any evidence whatsoever.
cer377 4 years ago
Please, do tell, where is your evidence and your proof? There is no evidence anywhere that could tell us that we were exploded into being. You cant prove it, just like I cant to someone as close minded as you and I. In my opinion, this debate(or God and evolution) will never end, with each side never accepting the others evidence or proof.
Stukko 4 years ago
You douche bags have yet to answer me...why is God real, but the boogey man isn't, or Zeus isn't or the sand man?
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
If god is real, how come Zeus isn't real? What about the sand man? Why aren't they real, but God is?Tell me, I would love to understand your logic behind that, enlighten me please.
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
They aren't real because when you pray to them, nothing happens. Try actually praying to God. Ask him to show himself to you. I did, and I was blown away! I've seen God's power and felt His Presence. I pray to God, and people get jobs and raises. They get healing and miracles. What's old Zeus, or Buddha, or Mohammed got on that? Nada.
sithsaber408 4 years ago
he showed himself to you man dude were u on lsd
for 10 years i prayed i even carried a bible where ever i went and i asked for god to show himself to me so i could see that wot i believe was true did it happpen no! even when i nearly got killed by falling out of a stupid second floor house window when i went to the hospital after that my heart beat stopped for 2 minutes but i didnt see no bright light no angels nothing just blackness ur logical and theolgy and ideaolgy is bogus my friend.
wwefanatic16 4 years ago
Because he had no part in it. It was man, man has made thousands of advances in technology and medicine, not God.Man made it possible for people to survive tuberculosis or other life threatening diseases.100 yrs ago, people never dreamed of going to the moon, it wasn't a miracle that we got there, it was all a result of advances made by man.
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
think about it, as time progresses less people die of diseases than in previous years. Why does God like people in this day and age more? Why has he chosen to perform miracles on people in the present? What about people who got tuberculosis and died of it about 100 yrs ago?
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
Because if the doctors did anything to that boy, gave him medication, did any procedure it wasn't a miracle.If nothing was done to the boy, he wasn't given any medication or any medical attention then it was a miracle, but if man had a hand in it, it wasn't solely God, so it wasn't a miracle.
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
who wants to convert to boogianity, if you ask me it's not much different from christianity.Convert now or you will not be taken back to the boogey man's palace when he returns to earth.Government run alex?we don't want the government telling us what to do buddy so take your bullshit somewhere else, you functionally retarded douche bag
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
Not possible. The persons spirit has left the body and now resides in heaven or hell. In essence, "they" can't come back. But if you want stories of infants dying on the table, being dead for 34 minutes, then prayed back to life, I've got a few of those.
sithsaber408 4 years ago
hold on in some of ur other coments ive seen uve sed that they can come bak but u say here they cant dude ur contridicting urself .
wwefanatic16 4 years ago
I've got it I will call it Boogianity. In Boogianity, the boogey man created all life, then during the 12th hour he created corn, and from this corn he made man during the 14th hour.All of this is explained in our book called The Book of jack-o-lanterns.
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
No. See, you can't lay hands on people in the name of Boogianity and see them healed,or see miracles in their finances. Boogianity has no reality. Jesus name however, is responsible for all that and more... I personally know people healed of Hepatitus C, Lupus, even a 2 year old toddler that fell from a 2nd story window and tore his spleen, but yet, pray for him and lay hands on him in the name of JESUS CHRIST... and boom! Instantly healed.
sithsaber408 4 years ago
I saw 14 people wheel themselves into my church of boogianity and the minister healed all of them. 7 were paralyzed, other 7 were paralyzed and dying of AIDS, and he cured them all in the name of boogianity.And by the way it is possible for a toddler to survive a fall that big, and tearing your spleen isn't fatal.With surgery you can survive, like chris simms from the Buccaneers
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
1.)Except that the toddler had torn the spleen, had massive internal bleeding and was being air-lifted from Roseville Sutter hospital to UC Davis. When he got there, the bleeding was gone, as was the tear. MIRACLE.
2.) Your version is made up, mine has witnesses.
sithsaber408 4 years ago
sithsaber is a fuckin fake, that's bullshit.One minute he's an inch away from death, he's perfectly fine?I smell bullshit.Where exactly did all the blood that leaked into his chest cavity go?Did the doctors give him any medication at all?
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
No friend, this really happened. Try to think outside the box. God is above our normal, "earthly" laws. "One minute he's an inch away from death, next he's fine?" Yup, that's exactly what happend. No medication was given, the boy was unconscious when brought to the hospital. The blood in his chest cavity didn't "go" anywhere, the Lord removed it. This little boy is alive and well, his names Jesse and his grandmother is a prayer warrior at our church.
sithsaber408 4 years ago
Sorry sithsaber408 but your logic seems flawed,if "jesus,God"is above our earthly laws,how can he not return the dead back to life? I though "God" was above our earthly laws.The "tear" in the boy was more than likely just fabricated by someone who didnt know the whole story,from my own personal experience,you find out about internal bleeding at the hospital =/
trunxbeliever 4 years ago
God can return somebody back to like, if he wishes. I never said he couldn't. I said people have the power to heal, to cast out demons, etc... but not to grab a soul out of heaven or hell and put it back in a body that's been dead for 20+ years. ONLY God could do that.
sithsaber408 4 years ago
sithsaber... You're a cunt. I hope you, and all your family, drop dead of cancer.
MephistopheIes 4 years ago
The boys tear in his spleen/internal bleeding weren't fabricated, they were reported by the doctor on duty at Sutter Roseville Medical Center in CA. The grandmother was right outside the room as this happened. The dr. said he had to be sent by helicopter to UC Davis Med center. When he arrived, all tests showed he was fine, with no tear or internal bleeding and the doctors were baffled. You can either believe that or not, but I'm not lying to you.
sithsaber408 4 years ago
How about when someone gets shot in the face and had 4 sec left to live; pray to god and see if he heals. Why are all the stories of healing only occur inside the body. Why isn't there stories of people growing back limbs miraculously?
FullMetalElric90 4 years ago
you know what...that is what I am, I believe the boogey man is almighty and all powerful and he can do anything. I believe he's our creator and he created the heavens and the earth in 14 hours.He said that to me...I am his prophet.But what will i call this new religion?We are looking for converts, because sometime in the future the boogey man will return to earth and will bring all believers to his palace in the sky,and the non believers will perish in fire.
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
And you haven't been brainwashed by the religious people,by your church? religion is an opiate of the masses, you would love to believe that something better is waiting for you after you die but sorry, this is the best it gets.There isn't some magical being that can do anything, believing in that is no different from believing in the boogey man.
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
urlocalSAVAGE and BarbblerElfTG08 are just two fucking atheists who have been easily brainwashed in the un-Godly public (government) evolution preaching school system. This is the product you get. A couple of idiots who took the bait. Hook, line and sinker. How pathetic.
nododon 4 years ago
whoa i think you need to take another look at religion are you feeling a little threatened by scientific facts?
hromanchik22 4 years ago
It's called the "theory" of evolution dipshit. There is more scientific and geological evidence supporting Creation than there is evolution. You just have to research it and stop being such a lazy fuck. Your public school indoctrination obviously got the best of you. Darwin is dead. So are his theories.
nododon 4 years ago
hey asshole i'll have you know that i am working on my phd in biology, and his theories have in fact been proven. you can't even argue that. also america is not an oligarchy, we have first amendment rights and if you knew anything about your country you would realize that freedom of religion is a clause of that amendment so fuck off about the public schools.
jesus is dead and so are his prophecies
hromanchik22 4 years ago
Keep working on that PHD dumbshit, you have a lot to learn still. Especially in regards to scienfific proofs regarding theories. Your whole basic premise is flawed in that your theory doesn't even support the scientific model. You should already know that, but then again I completed my doctorate 25 years ago. Now go do your homework student. You are brain dead.
nododon 4 years ago
25 years ago... that explains it. too bad that you can sit here and try to change peoples lives so that they abide by your standards, but no matter what you say the constitution still stands and no matter who is president congress will never let a federal ban on abortion be implemented
hromanchik22 4 years ago
I am for states rights. Why do you insist that I am trying to change peoples lives?
I applaud the constitution. Roe -vs- Wade needs to be taken out and the states can handle it. Are you a teenager? You say things that seem like you have had a very limited education.
nododon 4 years ago
woah, you must have missed the part where that kind of language was bad taste. But, how else can you prove you are an adult.
blross23 4 years ago
let's examine the word "Theory"
"A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena."
I am not sure how evolution has been tested?? But I haven't done the research.
"An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture."
blross23 4 years ago
Newton's theory of universal gravity - apples still fall
Theory of evolution - why aren't we still walking out of the woods / forest / brush and cutting tails off? I don't remember the last time I saw a monkey with a knife.
blross23 4 years ago
Um, what scientific and geological evidence supports creation? Don't you think "evidence" is a strong word? The word "evidence" implies proof that creation is true, which would completely nullify the idea of faith since faith requires a lack of proof.
cer377 4 years ago
This really isn't the forum for a debate on Creation -vs- Evolution. I think the whole evolution theory is pretty retarded but I also think that Religion is pretty messed up too. I just happen to believe that there is a Creator and that He was also the Christ who visited us 2000 years ago. I also see tons of evidence supporting the Biblical flood. If you don't then that's perfectly fine with me.
nododon 4 years ago
Well how about a city boy from the California Bay Area?
Abortion=murder. Lots of people know it to be true. Others pretend but thank their lucky stars that there mothers didn't excercise that "choice" as they wouldn't have life or any voice to spout this BS.
sithsaber408 4 years ago
and that's the way it goes.
hromanchik22 4 years ago
the ability to kill a fetus because they have no morals, pride, or sense of responsibility to even wear a condom is an awesome right for women ... i never saw it that way.
blross23 4 years ago
the bible is not a science book, it's a collection of accounts jackass.
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
How could the earth be less than 10000 years old, if life didn't form until about 1 billion years after earth was created.
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
It takes more faith to believe in Naturalism and the dogma of evolution. You've decided in your religion of falsehood but there will be a day when you can ask God yourself. Nothing will be hidden, though I tell you now when you're dead, it's TOO LATE for forgiveness.
Hell is the absence of Good just like cold is the absence of heat energy. Be ready to meet thy Maker.
renzaura 4 years ago
urlocalSavage. There is an overwhelming amount of scientific evidence that supports the earth being less than 10,000 years old. But there are many like you who don't wish to research it because if it appears at all convincing you will have to admit there might be more to this God thing and you might be accountable for your sins.
nododon 4 years ago
And it's been accepted by thousands of scientists and most of the sane world that the earth is about 4.5 billion years old.
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
Renzaura knows it's bullshit, he just thinks if he believes he'll get to go to heaven because that's what they tell him at church.I've been to church and they tell you to not ask questions,to just have fate.Because they're trying to brainwash you shit for brains,so they can collect your tides every sunday.
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
what? God never said anything, the bible is a collection of books.Jesus wasn't born on the 25th of december he was born in the spring.And how the fuck can a woman become pregnant if she never had sex?Don't anwer that, we know wut you're gonna say...God is above all,he's all powerful,he can do anything...Jackass this isn't d&d this is real fuckin life!
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
...In 2000, when the recount was ordered, George Bush went to the Supreme Court and sued.And 9 men decided who would be the next president of the united states, and when 9 men make a decision that will affect everyone in this country...that is a dictatorship.
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
And when no more than 10 men sit around and debate the freedoms of over 150 million people, that my friends is a dictatorship.america is a dictatorship and here is why...
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
Whether or not the mother of the child, the creator, is able to abort her pregnancy is not up to God, it's not up to rich old men, it's up to her.
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
Those with tails were killed off by predators, so shorter tails were selected because they were better equipped to survive.And those with shorter tails mated with those that also had shorter tails until the tail became non-existent, but the coccyx is a remnant.
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
urlocalSavage.... you are fucking looney.
nododon 4 years ago
thankyou
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
Sure, something cant come from nothing. But I dont think God is a "something" in any sense that we could understand. How fucking proud are we humans if we think we can challenge the very existence of our creator because we dont understand everything about him?
krow684 4 years ago
You must understand what God means when He says "I am."
God is above the 3rd density. He is in the 4th density.(spiritual realm)
The 3rd density is what we know.(the physical realm)
Matter = Solid, Liquid, Gas
Space = Height, Width, Depth
Time = Past, Present, Future
GOD = Father, Son(Jesus Christ), Holy Spirit
1 John 5:7(KJV)
God is the Alpha and the Omega.
He is the same yesterday,today,and forever.
renzaura 4 years ago
The Earth is about 6000 years old.
drdino. com/downloads.php
Nothing is impossible for God. 6 days could have happened in 1 second yet God did it in 6 days for a reason. Read God's Word from cover to cover and find out the reason.
renzaura 4 years ago
Modern humans appeared about 160,000 years ago, how could the earth be 6000 years old?Are you gonna say dinosaurs were on Noah's ark?
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
Humans appeared when God made them male and female in His image, about 6000 years ago.
watch and enlighten yourself
drdino. com/downloads.php
renzaura 4 years ago
God is Real:
Romans 1:20
Know why there is death:
Romans 6:23
Know God's Love:
Romans 5:8
John 3:16
Romans 10:9
Know Wisdom:
Proverbs 9:10
renzaura 4 years ago
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nododon 4 years ago
I think the best way of looking at the issue of abortion is this:
"The right of life is greater than the right of not wanting to be pregnant."
Abortion as birth control is the issue here, not the very small percentage of victim pregnancies from rape or incest. The latter are the only ones that should have to be dealt with by the courts.
nododon 4 years ago
Romney is such an IDIOT. Ugh he makes me so upset.
emily92992 4 years ago
renzaura no one said humans came from apes.The theory is that the genus homo and the genus pan are descendant from a common ancestor. At some point in history "humans" came out the trees and began to walk upright,while our relatives remained in the trees.
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
ok, descendants of a primate. Still false, in my opinion.
1.Only a young earth supports our current worldwide population density.
2.The geological record has multiple time frames in the same level,which supports the arranging of animal/plant matter of the SAME period just swooshed around due to receding flood waters.
3.Radioactive decay can be altered by puting non-radioactive material near radioactive material,which resets what's recorded.
God does not lie.
drdino. com/downloads.php
renzaura 4 years ago
man and primates did share a common ancestor. look at the way humans walk, our skull structures, we once had a tail.Humans came out the trees, lost our tail, and began to walk upright.We developed our brains and went from using only physical strength to survive to using our witts.All happened in about 1.8 million yrs and God was not involved.
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
The only thing we share in common is that we are both mammals you idiot. Maybe your ancestors once had a tail but mine didn't. Fucking moron.
nododon 4 years ago
Jackass, yes they did.Your tailbone used to extend much longer asshole.Humans, chimpanzees and apes share a common ancestor.Both humans and chimpanzees have a larynx that repositions itself to a spot between the pharynx n the lungs.The only similarity is not the fact that we are both mammals,douche bag.
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
Fuckface. Get your head out of your ass. No wait. Leave it there, that way you can try and view your "tail" LOL. The coccyx is not a tail you fucking foolish dweeb. It serves as an attachment for several ligaments and tendons to the hip joints and pelvic floor. The tail on a chimp doesn't serve that purpose you fucking retarded neanderthal.
nododon 4 years ago
jackass the coccyx was once a tail. Humans lost the tail when we began to walk upright, because it would have made us prey.When we began to walk upright we sacrificed speed, the tail would have made us prey because a predator could easily grab our tail and kill us.
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
to just say God did it is extremely ignorant and naive. And to say God's reasons are too complicated for people to understand is just as foolish. It's just a reason for you to not have to think.Doing things because you think it will please God is a very foolish thing to do.
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
You've already been ingrained with lies in the textbooks.
To not believe in God when there's proof everywhere is being foolish.
Psalm 14:1
Romans 1:20
That's like looking at a Nissan Skyline GTR and saying there was no engineer that made it.
It made itself over millions of years. That's being naive. Intelligent design requires a designer. Your eyes would have never evolved. They were wonderfully made.
renzaura 4 years ago
these videos are too short
raulbot 4 years ago
"It's a federal issue of women's rights and women's equality. It would end up going to the supreme court to decide if a woman's body is hers to defend.
When abortion is illegal in one state but legal in another... and I go from the illegal state to the legal state to get one done, and my home state charges me with a crime... it's now a federal issue..."
jeska9387 4 years ago
"If a fetus has a right to life this right to life exists in ALL states, sorta how civil rights exist in all states... so if one state says 'no fetuses don't get rights' then it becomes a federal issue.
It's all nice and dandy to say "state's issue" but ultimately it's a national issue."
jeska9387 4 years ago
That's why couples shouldn't get to pregnancy until they're married. There was a reason for true love and marriage.
Casual sex ruins families and ruins society with illegitimate children that people who had them should have taken care of to begin with. It's called responsibility, consequence and morals. SIN corrupts.
renzaura 4 years ago
I don't want children and I use contraceptives, but what if it fails? My HUSBAND and I are not financially or emotionally ready to have a child. You want me to keep an unwanted child??? No. I refuse. I should not have to alter my life completely because of a non-sentient, unfeeling thing inside me just because I was with my husband.
jeska9387 4 years ago
Correct.
Except for the "un-feeling, non-sentient" part.
Even at 12 weeks, the fetus is shown to react by moving away from the salient liquid used to burn it to death.
Do some research.
sithsaber408 4 years ago
A child is a gift so if you don't want that gift, then you could give it away for adoption and never see your baby again.
There are many birth control options available today but once an egg is fertilized, that's a life and murder is happening. Except for a miscarriage, that's not your fault, but you'll see your child again if you go to Heaven.
renzaura 4 years ago
Maybe if sexual purity and the responsibility of raising a family was considered first, a woman wouldn't have to murder her child.
Choices begin way before abortion.
renzaura 4 years ago
I hope things like that won't happen. There'd be back alley abortions galore and many dead women, probably more dumpster and dead babies.
malikchan17 4 years ago
damn doesn't romney look like a opossum? I would love to kick his teeth in.
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
If God is real, why isn't the boogey man real?Or the sand man?or Santa Clause?You can't go to hell if you don't believe in one.renzaura it's a shame you believe the shit they feed you at church...you're beyond repair.
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
The logic for an Uncaused Cause is sound. Every effect has a cause. Something doesn't come from nothing.
yqbd 4 years ago
So you would be in favor of ignoring all logic and simply saying it was done by God?wow...that's so simple it's scary,no wonder this country is going down the toilet...people like you are walking around spreading ignorance.
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
God's logic surpasses human understanding.
It's not surprising for man to be thinking up theories of how things came to be, just to pat themselves on the back and find out how wrong they were they they die. They had a whole lifetime to learn what the truth really was but failed to study it.
As a blacksmith sharpens his sword and shapes it in fire, so too will all impurities melt away from the earth.
renzaura 4 years ago
If you are real does that mean you come from giraffes, or birds, or horses?
Yes, you can go to Hell even if you don't believe in it, just like you can fall off a cliff thinking you won't drop.
Nothing will change reality.
You must understand Origin and Power.
Your own atoms wouldn't spin without God allowing them to. You wouldn't even be able to breathe or stay warm without His power, just like your computer wouldn't work without electricity.
renzaura 4 years ago
"You must understand Origin and Power."
You must not tell other people whose values and lifestyles equally valid to yours what they must and must not do.
kevinkmny 4 years ago
I can share what reality is.
You don't have to believe it, just like you don't have to believe in physics.
You are free to choose whatever you want to do and I'm not stopping you. I just want people to know what they are doing. That there are consequences for actions for the Laws of the universe do not change for anyone, regardless of what they think.
renzaura 4 years ago
wow the same old wind argument.Wind is there you can feel it,you can see it act upon objects,you can measure the speed of it.You can't compare wind and God,because there is actual proof of wind jackass.renzaura stop talking because common sense obviously doesn't come easily for you.
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
Actual proof of God is His creation. Everything shows God's glory.
Romans 1:20
Common Sense is knowing WHY things are.
renzaura 4 years ago
The earth is about 4.5 billion years old,human life is about 1.8 million years old,and in that 1.8 million years we've managed to turn this planet into a shithole.We've depleted a lot of natural resources and an abortion ban would only add to the burden our population puts on the environment.
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
That's what your BELIEF is. My BELIEF is FAITH in the Bible. How does abortion have a connection w/ the environment. I'm confused by your statement.
OoorahEntertainment 4 years ago
i know it's hard for religious people to understand some things.If we ban abortions,that means more people.More people adds to the burden on our resources and hurts the environment.And Faith is just an excuse to be simple minded.
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
Even though I disagree with abortion, I also think the Federal Government should NOT be involved. Leave it to the States.
It's a community issue, not a national issue. The family and local caring church, or relatives/friends should help the expecting mother.
We shouldn't allow the governemnt to further bureaucracy and take more taxes from us when personal choices should be left to the individual and local level.
renzaura 4 years ago
and i completely agree with you, that was my whole point it's not up to the government to decide thats what i was arguing the whole time i wasn't trying to change your opinion on the matter i couldn't care less what your thoughts are i just don't think it's right to have someone elses view affect what i am allowed to do.
and yes abortion is a reserved power, not a federal one, it is up to the states
hromanchik22 4 years ago
Yes and that's why Ron Paul is our only Hope For America. He will fix the root causes (end the Federal Reserve/IRS mafia, CIA drug lords, Homeland Security tyranny police and prison camps) and get back to the Constitution so all of us will have our freedoms back.
We no longer have our Bill of Rights...yet many people aren't even aware. We are all terrorists for the next dictator.
renzaura 4 years ago
YES. I love how we completely different opinions, and yet can come to terms and find a common place. I hope that there are enough people out there who are intelligent enough to realize that ron paul is our only hope.
good debate :]
hromanchik22 4 years ago
Agreed. Freedom is popular and I truly hope that the message is heard because the mainstream media is definitely working for the Satanic New World Order agenda led by the Illuminati and Bilderberg group. These insane elitists are trying to peg Ron Paul as the crazy one but the intelligent people know better!!
I hope for people to break away from the mind control attacks constantly in the media. The battle is raging.
Peace be with you and many blessings. =)
renzaura 4 years ago
overpopulations is having a huge affect on the environment
hromanchik22 4 years ago
You have a problem killing fetuses that have yet to be born and have no rights what so ever,but you're not as outraged when born humans are killed.
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
If the earth were 6000 yrs old then dinosaurs and humans would of had to exist at the same time.That means dinosaurs on noah's ark,and the comet that destroyed the dinosaurs...why didn't it destroy the humans?There is absolutely no evidence supporting that the earth is 6000 yrs old,there is evidence supporting that the earth is about 4.5 billion yrs old.
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
Reptiles and humans lived longer before the flood and yes they did live together.
drdino. com/downloads.php
Understand the 4th density (spiritual realm) and you'll learn even more.
You only think in the 3rd density now because that's all you can see. It's like not trusting wind for a plane flight. It's there whether you believe it or not. So are all spiritual things also real. God, Satan, angels, demons, etc.
renzaura 4 years ago
And therin is your problem. You admit to valuing the lives of animals and insects over humans, who paint pictures and write symphonies and type comments on YOUTUBE! If you can't see the stupidity of your logic at this point, then there is little hope for you. As it is, that last comment pretty much eliminates ANYTHING of substance that you posted. "Can you prove that mice cannot dream?" THAT's your reasoning for defending abortion?
Fail.
sithsaber408 4 years ago
sithsaber408 FTW
konoha7shinobi 4 years ago
Ah gee, thanks! :P
sithsaber408 4 years ago
You said that the issue depends on "when you believe a baby becomes a human". The baby is ALWAYS human. It's not a cow fetus, or a duck. It's human. And it's alive and human only OUT OF THE WOMB?(according to you) And that is rather ignorant, as I've stated, because an 8 month along baby isn't human (not out of the womb) but a 6 months along premature born IS human(out of the womb)by your way of reason.
Fail.
sithsaber408 4 years ago
I am a woman...I believe that we are not smart enough to know when life begins so we should err on the side of caution and move to preserve life. I know people who have had abortion...one a close relative who regrets it everyday to the point where it hurts her to look at other people's kids...but why shouldn't men have a say in this? Its their kids too. Abortion didn't give power to women, it took it away and gave more to the men.
gingergargoyle 4 years ago
Preach!
sithsaber408 4 years ago
I know plenty of women (many who've HAD abortions when younger) that are pro-life/anti-murder.
It's not a man/woman issue, it's a taking a human life cuz you wanna issue.
sithsaber408 4 years ago
You're not making a very good argument by bringing God into this.This country shows no preference when it comes to religious beliefs, so to say that abortion should be outlawed because it's in the bible just invalidates your point.
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago