Darcus Howe & Richard Seymour on UK Massive Social Unrest and Riots (Democracy Now!) 2 of 2

[NowLearnAboutIslam]

You want some "sneakers" in order to pull a bird?

Well . . . that makes it just fine then, hey, get on with it - fill yer boots!

What happened to the almost universally accepted standard that looters are shot. That's it. That's just how it is - if you are a looter (get that? "looter" - the lowest creature possible in a civil situation) you are shot dead on the spot. On. The. Spot.

Let's see how long the "riot" (looting) goes on if that is the rule.

[KILLWRONGDOERS]

i strongly believe the rioters where gang members theres was a interview with a man that owned a shop he said 200 black youths rampaged his shop the reporter said are u shore all of them where black the man replied yeah i was there all were black youth the woman interviewer again said shore all of them were black if i was that man i would told her to fuck off take ur camera go on fuck off the man was there he saw all of them 200 black youths and the reporter was trying to make him lie

[KILLWRONGDOERS]

yeah but what Mr Howe fails to acknowledge is the amount of black gangs that hunt and rob young white men that out out on their own...what about then they Mr Howe?, have you justification for that?..no of course not but if it happens to your own community oh we cannot have that can we...ok then the next time an innocent white man gets robbed lets get the EDL/BNP to go on the rampage and target businesses

someone here is talking sense darcus howe again on our tvs and never talksbout real crime

[bl0xta]

yeah but what Mr Howe fails to acknowledge is the amount of black gangs that hunt and rob young white men that out out on their own...what about then they Mr Howe?, have you justification for that?..no of course not but if it happens to your own community oh we cannot have that can we...ok then the next time an innocent white man gets robbed lets get the EDL/BNP to go on the rampage and target businesses run in the afro carrabian community...see what its like for the boot to be on the other foot

[MegaNazikilla]

@bl0xta ask urself a question who started this shit coz i know it aint black ppl u white ppl seem to think that u can do whatever u want but nobody else should . if only u knew whats coming the chickens r coming home to roost figure that one out bitch

[bl0xta]

@MegaNazikilla first of all I ain't your bitch, secondly yes I am white but I don't go around thinking I can do whatever I want I have respect for any colour/religion as long as they are honest and don't expect anything for nothing. here in the UK areas such as where the riots started have had issues with gangs run by afro carrbiens for a long time, and they are the sort that go around and singling out young white men out on their own, and also fight against other black gangs may I add.

[bl0xta]

@MegaNazikilla what are you on about watch the video, Darcus Howe even admits it was going to flare up by people from his community, yes I admit I lost my temper in my first comment about targeting afro carrabian business and see how they feel, and I dearly regret saying that as those businesses were also affected by the previous riots...none the less there is a big issue with black gangs in inner city communities that needs to be dealt with, there is no doubt about that

[yannickobellic]

should have said looting and not rioting then, be clearer next time because i see "riots had nothing to do with being unheard" lol and study..lol your statement was awful s why would i "study" it...nice use of my phrase aswell, very original

[panavision09]

that richard seymour looked like he didnt want to be their. dont look at him. he may attack you. lol.

[germanysjim]

watch the niggers howl when cops decide to shoot back at some point, then watch them play the racist card,but by then noone will listen or care as sighting will become the main order of the day, did you kill a nigger today is what some bumperstickers might say

[MegaNazikilla]

@germanysjim listen pussy u think all niggers was involved in that riot, that was just the begining when the men come outside to play u white pussys gonna be howling , ur gonna need ur whole dying faggot white race to stand a chance and dis shit gonna be worldwide PS. england and america the west is going down do some research enjoy rule while it last bitch

[germanysjim]

@MegaNazikilla yea, whatever, ooking and eeking the great reggin howls as the ape steals his banana supply, Look at the ugly ass bitch black on the screen, Operation swamp thing? bwahahaha

[willietx]

@MegaNazikilla Mate did you have an education? How can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you talk like that. I'm a white guy (typical) but surely by that comment your being just as racist to me. I haven't been racist to you. You give what you get? right? 'ur whole faggot white race' 'u white pussys gonna be howling'. I have absolutely no respect for you. Rise above it or shut the fuck up.

[MegaNazikilla]

@germanysjim the day police walk wid guns its peek for dem we aint no 1960s niggas shit different know remember dat

[germanysjim]

if a white woman can raise eleven kids in abject poverty to all successful individuals over sixty years ago, then the argument that these bastards come to is a crock of shit, I guess someone should have tol dmy gramma she could have blamed someone to get free food and all her needs or steal them. blacks are ungrateful and unworthy to populate anywhere but apefrica, poor niggers, its always yts fault, fuck em all to hell and this ugly black bastard lyuing his ass off darkus or darky is better

[Isleifur90]

Yes, plese let all the blacks come togeather and discuss their "civilization's" future. I hope they come to the conclution to stop raping our women, stop murdering our people, stop stealing from our soceties by leeching on our taxpayer money and get outof our white countries and seek their own destiny in Africa. That destiny will most likey be cannibalism, human sacrifice, genitle mutilation, corruption and all other elements that has been the hallmark of African soceties since their beginning.

[salahuddin786]

All you need is the like of RAOUL MOAT who sho that police officer - and he vowed to kill more.....

This was a WHITE GUY who did the act.

This will be a NORM soon or later .....

This is the only way left.

These LEGAL GANGSTERS just do not WANT to get it...

[yesweKenyan]

Darcus Howe is insane. The riot justifies the crackdown which justifies the riot - guess what comes after the second riot? Break the endless cycle by shrinking government! The already bloated public sector uses riots as an excuse to justify its existence and expand its authority, any excuse to tax the plebs more. Many whites experience also police brutality, some get tasered to death, some made cripple after being slammed into walls, etc - there's been no riots, because they solve nothing.

[beckyholt]

Give me your poor you unwashed, unwanted masses and I will give you conflict. The problem is a failure utter and complete of the multi cultural experiment. It is a failure by the unelected council in the EU. REmoving the ability for Parliament to make it's own laws and deport illegal immigrants or protect the people of the UK from criminal immigration. The main loser in all this is the average British native who have seen their culture destroyed by design. RIP Great Britain.

[bl0xta]

this guy has got a nerve slagging off this country, at the end of the day if there wasn't high rates of crime in areas such as Brixton or Hackney then the police wouldn't waste their time or resources, If he doesn't like what he sees then he should piss off elsewhere

[razer4660]

@bl0xta darcus has a white wife he said all the black girls were to fat to ugly and there arses to big and there lips mouth and between the legs to big as well. let darcus slag off england black man country so fucking great thats why all these fucking thick niggers are in englang there own are so fucking great shit aids ridden scumholes

[chillipeanuts]

boris johnson spoke the truth!

[MahMahAfro3000]

Darkus Howe

Columnist and Nutter

[iBeep2009]

Mark Duggan was the nephew of Desmond Noonan - check it on Wikipedia - drug dealer who admitted murdering 25 people - and Duggan was selling his crack in London for him. Howe supports him. Dont' know why on Earth he gets on television.

[ezekielthemack]

@iBeep2009 Show me where in this video that Darcus says he supported the behaviour of Mark Duggan, you ignorant prat?

[Gik1618]

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable."

- John F. Kennedy

[WannaExpressYourSelf]

Darcus sounds like hes on point.

[NinjaVsPredator]

@WannaExpressYourSelf he's on something...

[Tressco]

worldblog. msnbc. msn.com/_news/2011/08/07/72922­81-the-sad-truth-behind-london­-riot

Is rioting the correct way to express your discontent?

"Yes! You wouldn't be talking to me now if we didn't riot, would you?"

TV reporter from Britain's ITV had no response. So the young man pressed his advantage. "2 months ago we marched to Scotland Yard, more than 2,000 of us, all blacks, & it was peaceful & calm & you know what? Not a word in the press. Last night a bit of rioting & looting & look around you."

[Rstylus]

Fock the Illuminatie I hope They die very hard , They Will Go To Hell

[yabitchonmydikk]

This video PROVES what the government and the media are trying to keep you in the dark about, that yes, there was alot of copy cat white scum who joined in after, but this DID begin from frustrations in young black community in London, these did began (and fall directly into the definition of) as Race Riots, then mindless vandals from all sides played there part in this atrosity, Not one ounce of racism in that, just honesty and truth.

[scientific1982]

Bit of perspective people. If you cant differentiate between a riot based on genuine political grievances and just fucking shit up for fun, then the left-wing is in a really bad state. People are homeless tonight because of this bullshit.

[ltmoores13]

Richard has like a face the whole time

[akabocaj2]

elect this man !

[Albert18264]

That old wanker and racist Darcus Howe wanted to be Malcolm X so bad that's why he's a sad bitter old man .

[Ndugu82]

Darcus Howe is clearly going senile. When he wasn't babbling incoherently he was offering the same tired old excuses other black racists like him use to complain about how unfair everything is if you're black in Britain. The muppet sat next to him was just yes man sucking up to the blacks. People get stopped and searched because they look and act suspicious, many who fit that description are black. Time for blacks in London to take on some accountably.

[DoomCity202]

@Ndugu82 take darcus howe out of the equation and they're on some wicked shit

he just spoke on it..and you seem to condone it by shooting the messenger

none of this shit is even in question at this point so you look stupid badmouthing

that man...i guess you have nothing to say about the white guy who pretty much

broke down events also. everything both of them spoke on is in the history books.

[Ndugu82]

@DoomCity202 I did mention the white guy, both of them are making excuses for the violence. I'm not arguing with what's in the history books, however they are trying to use history to justify these riots. I didn't understand what 'on some wicked shit' means or what you think I was condoning, so I cant reply to that part of your message. I actually live in Tottenham and I presume you live in DC from your profile so I wonder how much you really do know about the tensions here.

[DeaflyBlind]

@Ndugu82 Thats exacly what he is saying dumb fuck. Blacks keep getting stopped and searched when they have done nothing wrong. I can look suspicous all day until you have evidence or see me do something leave me alone. I know this may shock you but not every black person acts like the gangs they show you on t.v. we each have are own personalities if you can believe you cunt

[Ndugu82]

@DeaflyBlind No, you're wrong. If you hang around street corners looking and acting suspicious you can expect to be stopped and searched. If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about. You can argue against it all you like but quite simply if you look thuggish this will happen, its reality. It doesn't just happen to black people either so get over yourself and next time you are stopped and searched be polite to the officer.

[M1ggins]

@Ndugu82 yep, and as a witness to the start of the Croydon 'riot' I can tell you that not a single 'rioter' even shouted at the police, they just attacked and looted the local asian shops. And as for Duggan, a crack dealing yardie with in possesion of a loaded Handgun gets shot, whose fault is that? This guy is living in the 60's and must by weighed down by that huge chip on his shoulder. and BTW, the West Indian community is by far the most racist section of the local area.

[DeaflyBlind]

@Ndugu82 no, for one how the fuck do you look "thuggish" like i dont understand why white people think and say dumb shit like this. If you think hanging out with your friend on a street corner is reason to be searched your a moron. But it doesnt matter cause it will all be over soon enough

[Ndugu82]

@DeaflyBlind Many people would understand completely what thuggish gangster attire looks like. Right or wrong, one who chooses to dress in this way may have to put up with being profiled occasionally. Many victims of street crime feel legitimately threatened by a certain criminal culture in the uk which has a look and a body language. You yourself keep hurling threats and abuse instead of arguing rationally and articulately. This isn't about injustice, its about truth and accountability.

[humphrey598]

@Ndugu82This is 2011 not the 1970's or 1980's we are not living in the era of the west midlands serious crime squad thank God.The police should not stereotype but rather they should base their reasonable suspicion on objectivity I.E. External Intelligence or specific suspicious behavior.The police all to often don't do that and this has lead to a stigmatization of ethnic minorities. I'm sorry but until the gulf between the police and ethnic minorities is fused animosity will remain.

[Ndugu82]

@humphrey598 Hi, I agree with you that the police must behave fairly and not discriminate. In the past there has been racial injustice, and no doubt there still is but as society evolves we take further measures to stop this happening. Unfortunately these measures often have the side effect of censoring people from speaking the truth when they see it. The stigmatization of ethnic minorities is a complex problem and many factors are to blame including the behaviour of the minority itself.

[DeaflyBlind]

@Ndugu82 Yup and you saying it is rational to profile by the way you dress and look. Many people understand that as unjustifiable.

[Ndugu82]

@DeaflyBlind Hi again. Yeah I've been saying it as plainly as I can all along. Its a fact that it happens, sometimes rightly and sometimes wrongly and to all races. Now is it justifiable? Sometimes yes. You want to tell me off for stating a fact and remove my right and others rights to a safer society by somehow stopping the police from profiling at all. In actual fact the police here in the uk are neurotic about political correctness and as a result safety is often compromised.

[humphrey598]

@Ndugu82 LOL So what you are saying is that you advocate prejudicial profiling on the grounds of appearance? How is that fair? I don't mean to express myself too ardently but I really do think your wrong but feel free to justify it. It is the same such unfair policing which has fractured the relationship between communities and the police and I think this needs restoration in order to find a sustainable solution to an incredibly complex problem which incorporates race as well as going beyond it.

[Ndugu82]

@humphrey598 And you are very welcome to defend the kind of people who burnt peoples businesses and homes to the ground because its clear which side you are on. Yes I defend the right of the police to stop and search people who look suspicious, absolutely and without apology. You need to try not to repeat yourself in your replies.

[DeaflyBlind]

@Ndugu82 ok if you saying profiling is ok at anytime then me and you are on too different thinking planes which is ok

[72aakhan]

shame, shame, shame you bastard brits.. now we know your true fucking face.. you stealer

[RP88888]

the amercians seem to be a bit more open minded and dont seem to want to dismiss him in fear of the truth as much as that british news lady and they actually wana listen instead of just straight shutting him down and tryingto make him look idiotic likie all news reporters in this country

[alsalcoolal]

London mayor typical facist pig,,,power to the people...the hell with liberalism, radicalism is the only way to topple facism

[jblackrupert]

FYI: Darcus Howe was convicted and jailed for participating in a riot while a member of the black panthers. He was also convicted of assaulting several people including a cop.

His son was jailed for being in posssesion of stolen passports.

[VirtutiShell]

@jblackrupert Thanks you for your comment. ;)

Peace.

[youngbuck189]

@2011bugsy the irony of your statement is staggering

[Alimantado91]

@2011bugsy The world capitalist system is fucked or hadn't you noticed.

[Griffin2529]

@TheAwokenMind Well that makes him a panderer and not someone who tells the truth.

[s0cietysreject]

Nobody who's sane is arguing that the rioting is the right thing to do, but this contempt for the poor is misplaced. They're people like you and me, and if they behave differently, it's society's duty to find out why. If they don't have jobs, why not? If they're not working hard to get one, ask them why. Fix the problem. And getting rid of welfare may get people to look harder for jobs, but there's no way all of them will get employed, and the ones who don't are screwed, so that's no solution.

[Griffin2529]

this guy evades all pertinent questions by Goodman....he has just lost some credibility....sad.

[Griffin2529]

Looters are the type of people who sleep all day, play video games all night, and can’t figure out why you’re poor and unemployable. Use drugs and alcohol. What do you expect will happen with your life? And the low life women who sleep all day and go clubbing all night and can’t understand why you can find a good job or quality mate. No ambition and no education, and you lash out at the hard working rich and successful, what an embarrassment.

[2dasimms]

How long do these governments think they can allow people to suffer no jobs, no income, no security, no hope no future. What do people with no hope have to lose? If you allow them to continue to abuse Black people everywhere it is just a matter of time before they abuse everybody else.

[tubetib]

These riots are an expression of love. This is the way, the only way, a very large group of people excluded from society found to express themselves. They are sharing their suffering with others. They are saying listen. The only thing we have to do is to open our heart and listen. It is that simple.

[donoshea39]

Bullsh*t completley this guy lives in the dark ages, everything is black v white. It's old now. Stop and search was brought in to combat knife crime, get over it, it isn't just black people who get searched. Stop playing the victims and move forward. The ones who are really terrorising poor people these days are the gangsters of their own communities, gang raping, stealing, murdering. making kids think you must knife to get "respect". he never talks about this. just always one sided paranoia.

[shangrigreige]

Was that a 'yes' or 'no' Howe, or just rambling shite?

[eoinmurphy69]

I have fought against white domination, and I have fought against black domination. I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. It is an ideal which I hope to live for and to achieve. But if needs be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die.

Nelson Mandela - April 20, 1964

[AtheistApparel]

Rioting because they are poor? Are you fucking kidding me? Kids are not organizing them selves with word of mouth. They are using £300 blackberry mobile phones, wearing the latest Addidas shoes and Burberry clothes.

A whole generation of lazy useless cunts, who didn't take the time to listen in school because they were too cool. Refuse to work because they want high paying jobs despite choosing to turn their back on a free education.

"look around we have nothing" .Because you didn't earn it.

[4teepee]

The rioters and looters know it would cost their lives to attack the neighborhoods and communities of the prosperous and powerful. They attack the vulnerable instead.

[MrStoneClark]

Boris Johnson is right - the people should burn the government and corporate buildings, not the small business owners homes and shops!

[4teepee]

Amy Goodman is a Jew with a historic racist grudge against Europeans. In England, there is a culture clash between the indigenous white people who want first world orderliness and anti-white racist criminals in immigrant communities who do not want to be policed. The solution to riots that is used in the third world is live ammunition. The third world solution gets the rioters attention.

[youngbuck189]

Amy Goodman is insistent on the people being described as criminals and rioters who only have an interest in looting.

Why is that? Maybe she is being paid to say this, well actually we know she is. 

[gtube83]

@youngbuck189 BECAUSE ITS TRUE.. DO YOU EVEN LIVE IN LONDON OR ARE YOU JUST PLAIN DUMB? THIS NOT NOT A RIOT OR A PROTEST ITS BLOODY GREEDY LOOTING AND ANTI SOCIAL BEHAVIOUR

[darkhorseman81]

@gtube83 Its midirected anger. Because they haven't had the schooling to learn critical thinking. They should have swamped the parliament and big corporations.

[RedGaribaldi]

"A riot is the language of the unheard."

- Martin Luther King Jr.

[willietx]

@RedGaribaldi but what was the message that they wanted to be heard?

[RedGaribaldi]

@willietx I think it would be useful here to recall Zizek's comments on the 2005 Paris riots:

"The recent revolt was just an outburst with no pretence to any kind of positive vision... Is this sad fact that the opposition to the system cannot articulate itself in the guise of a realistic alternative, or at least a meaningful utopian project, but only as a meaningless outburst, not the strongest indictment of our predicament?"

[willietx]

@RedGaribaldi So why quote MLK? It's safe to say that the riots had nothing to do with being 'unheard' but instead everything to do with just meaningless mindless violence and looting.

[yannickobellic]

@willietx ofcourse they were unheard, when are the views of black people in this country ever listened to? When does David Cameron say he is going to do something about the crime in the black community, the poverty, the mistreatment by police? the family of Mark Dugan was unheard by the police? they still are. the 16 year old girl who got beaten up, that was relatively unheard.i do condem the unessasary looting however do not make such a statement without the experience of being unheard

[willietx]

@yannickobellic It started off as a peaceful protest then escalated to a full blown riot. The riot involved destroying homes and business' and injuring people which then lead onto looting. I'm saying that the 'riots' (the acts of violence) were not an ethnic group wanting to be heard but just a chance for the nations yobs, white and black, to have a pop at the police and cause havoc. At no stage did I direct my comment toward race. Do not make such a statement without studying whats been said.

[RedGaribaldi]

@willietx the fact that the outburst itself had no self-conscious, articulate meaning doesn't make it meaning-less. Both MLK and Zizek's points stand. Maybe with time people will be able to step back from the directly visible violence of the rioters and consider the systemic brutality that underpins and begets such explosions of social disorder.

[jbabyshaq123]

@RedGaribaldi mayb they were impatient darkus n richard stated that the rioters were peaceful at first but were not getting any press ,(my opinion) i understand y they came to rioting they're using it to get attention on the bigger issue and i think the government should understand their reasons and try to talk over the issue instead of using force

[jbabyshaq123]

@RedGaribaldi the main thing that got them into the mess in the first place, same thing in our country,they rather beat you into submission then to talk you into a respectable understanding same with the wars in Iraq n Afghanistan they're using bully tactics and squezing information out of anyone and everyone and thats catastrophic

[youngbuck189]

The police are to blame, they are the enemy of the people. Police are an occupying army on the population who have provoked the people into rioting.

IT IS WELL DOCUMENTED. THEY SHOT THAT MAN, BEAT THAT TEENAGE GIRL, AND PUSHED THE PEACEFUL PROTESTERS AROUND THE FIRST NIGHT!!!!!!!

What happens to the police is their own doing, and they deserve every rock, brick, or molotov cocktail thrown at them. They are criminal sociopaths protected by the government, and their time has come.

[gtube83]

@youngbuck189 i need the police to protect my family from retards like you and mark duggan who carry illegal weapons. who am the NORMAL PEOPLE OF ENGLAND going to rely on? drug dealers and criminals or the police who arent even allowed to do anything without you chavs complaining? STOP STEALING TRAINERS AND BURNING CHARITY SHOPS YOU DICK.

[MezzieBridge]

@youngbuck189 surely POLICE are not independent bodies that can choose where and what they do, aren't their orders from above?

I understand your anger at authority that is 'supposed' to protect us from harm. Isn't a case of 'it's not the gun that kills people, but the power holding and pointing the gun'? The POLICE are just the gun, aren't they?

[waggles1989]

@youngbuck189 Frivolous drivel. Quite sickening to even back these thugs that committed the looting - go and meet them, witness their daily activities and any sane individual would not champion what you have just wrote.

[TheGamanic]

@youngbuck189 If it was politically motivated, why were most shops owned by innocent people, not council buildings or police stations, destroyed in the riots? Yes initially there might have been a political element, but that simply got overlooked as dozens of gangs and other opportunistic criminals swarmed in and took whatever stuff they could. The lack of violence on the 5th night just shows this was an impromptu attack to create as much damage as possible, not to combat police brutality.

[scientific1982]

@youngbuck189 If their time has come, how come all the rioting stopped once the threat of plastic bullets and water cannons was on the cards.

[ezekielthemack]

@youngbuck189 I totally agree. The chickens have come home to roost for the police AND the tory government - they haven't seen anything yet.

[monkeymandem]

This guy is just a stupid muppet he aint got a clue where he is or what hes talking about, just a stupid gassed up nigga, i dont have a clue why this spastic keeps getting air on tv

[monkeymandem]

If you dont like the country Get the fuck out

[youngbuck189]

@monkeymandem i dont like in that suckhole country called england.

[germanysjim]

@youngbuck189 and so has yours by your own volition,

[NegativeNick]

Darcus? Darcus! Darcus? DARCUS!!!

[IslandStyle123]

I honestly can't believe that people are still harping on about race in the year 2011. Whites face the most racial discrimination, not the "minorities."

[NegativeNick]

@IslandStyle123 AHAHAHHAHAH

[youngbuck189]

@IslandStyle123 hahahahahahahahahhahahaha, your a satirist. nice

[IslandStyle123]

What a bitter man. If you don't like it in the UK, why not return to the West Indies? I'm sure it's just like paradise there.

[conquerorofbabylon]

Blacks in this country are afraid to go anywhere, do anything, be somebody.

[johnchannetshow]

blacks are all scum.

[ollieflp]

@johnchannetshow how many "blacks" do you know exactly?

[usy444u]

cops are brutal thugs.

[davidwil58]

Well, he's playing the race card again. Sorry, most of us decent people are getting a bit sick of that.  Places like Tottenham and Brixton have had huge sums of money thrown at them over the years,and they're still sink estates.

Black people dont like stop and search? Tough. More blacks round there are involved in crime and carry weapons. If you're innocent you have nothing to worry about.

Time to have a bit more individual and parental responsibility instead of blaming everything else

[xcalibur4l]

@davidwil58 u are an idiot.if someone stops and search u all the time, tell me if u will like it?

u are an idiot realy.

[davidwil58]

@xcalibur4l Charming, I dare say you've had a few dealing with the police then? If you're in an area where knives and guns are a problem but are innocent yourself, it's a minor inconvenience you've got to accept.

But tell me this: Why do the black 'community' always complain about police stop and search, and the case of Mark Duggan been shot, but never say anything about the black-on -black gang related murders which happen all the time? !

[xcalibur4l]

@davidwil58 HAHAHA.U TALK AS IF ONLY BLACKS CAN KILL THEMSELVES. TRUST ME THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH BRITISH SOCIETY.IN AFRICA THIS SO CALLED BLACK ON BLACK VIOLENCE DOES NOT HAPPEN.

also white people has killed themselves more than any race over the years so stop trying to act all civil on me.

today who is destroying the lives and property of people all around the world?

it is definately not black people

it is ,whites. u kill in libya,iraq,afghhanistan, polute thair causing warming.etc

[davidwil58]

@xcalibur4l Whites do kill, but what I'm asking is why black people in London in particular dont seem bothered about how many blacks get murdered by other blacks as part of the gang violence, but are up in arms when the police have to shoot any of them...in order to protect the rest of us decent people!

[xcalibur4l]

@davidwil58 becos the police are mostly racista dn do not have a good reason to shoot.

the guy that got shot for example did not have a gun.

the ipcc has found out that the police shot him point blank.

[TemplarX2]

@davidwil58 But blacks kill on a small lvl other rwanda; whites kill on large scale.

[PardoDub]

@davidwil58

"up in arms when the police have to shoot any of them"

Don't you think the police should be held to a higher standard than some common criminal?

Besides, it looks likely they didn't have to shoot Mark Duggan and they lied to cover up the true circumstances of his death.

[davidwil58]

@PardoDub Yes the police should be. But they should also be allowed to shoot if a criminal has a gun pointed at them and refuses to surrender. We dont know the exact circumstances, but the police shouldnt have to wait until they are shot first. They always give the suspect chance to lay down their weapons.

[DeaflyBlind]

@davidwil58 of us decent people haha you sound like a good gentlemen lol

[IslandStyle123]

As the bible says, "By their works shall ye know them."

They are destroying their fellow poor people's shops, homes and lives. They are not breaking into bakeries to steal bread, they are stealing freakin' DVD players. These clowns are all a joke. This is anger, but not because they are poor and hungry. It's because they want MORE, MORE, MORE.

[chiefy67]

@IslandStyle123 the government and the media/entertainment industry are responsible for both

[ufo5147]

I agree that the riots likely represent a sort if "insurrection" on the part of the poor, abused, and voiceless. though I do think it's a shame that their anger is so misdirected.. I understand what it is to be poor and steal, and that these people can't get jobs and nothing is being done for them, and in fact (as in the US) the government is moving in the direction of austerity and cutting imp. social programs while the plutocracy gets richer.. so yea, aim your anger at the plutocracy

[waggles1989]

@ufo5147 Only a mindless fool would equate the thugary to political resentment. Ask the savages that committed this barbarianism - they could not give a monkies about the rest of society - to the millions in the UK who work bloody hard during tough times to elevate their position and support their families.

[Simbelmyne13]

@ufo5147 Yes, things are getting worse here in the U.S. as the plutocrats are fighting on all fronts to make us more resemble the 3rd worlds they exploit. You heard what that kid said. They feel they have no other recourse. They are ignored. They are the forgotten. They have absolutely no way to make the plutocrats pay attention, unless through dramatic acts like this. It may be self-defeating in many ways, but when you are that trampled, maybe it's enough just to be heard.

[sambam2694]

@ufo5147 Excellent you are the first comment to look at it from a side of desperation. All everyone else sees is color. Never judge a man until you walk in his shoes.

[ufo5147]

"I have never known young people to be poor as they are now"

[davidwil58]

What a stupid old man that black guy is

[ReignbowSmite]

@davidwil58 Why don't you tell us what he said that you think is stupid instead of leaving a comment vacant of any value.

[IslandStyle123]

Is his name really DARCUS? Cause if it is, that's the funniest thing I've ever heard. His parents must have had a good sense of humor.

[jamiep1977]

Darcus Howe was put in prison for assaulting a police officer.He was also a member of the black power Black Panther Movement.He has also written for the left wing New Statesman paper