somehow, the italians have made a reliable and rather advanced workhorse combat chopper, compared to overpriced apaches and tiger, these proven mangustas is a good buy!
Volevo sapere se è possibile che l'italia acquisti gli elicotteri russi MIL 28 che, secondo me, insieme ai mangusta sono i migliori elicotteri del mondo, perchè sono piccoli, agili e potenti sopratutto il russo che ha una mitragliatrice da 30 MM. E possibile installarne una sul Mangusta? Sono previsti aggiornamenti per il nostro elicottero?
@TheAzawakh Con i pochi soldi cha lo stato italiano dedica alla difesa è già un miracvolo che si abbia i Mangusta figurati acquistare i Mil 28 che non rispondono alle normative NATO.
ucacak mi bu cok merak ediyorum. neki bunu ayri kilan diger saldiri helikopterlerinden. takla mi atiyor? tiger in videolarini bir izleyin. en son ters takla atiyordu benim izledigim videoda :) akranlari arasinda tiger dururken git a129 u al. olacak is degil. super kilan ne bunu biz sectik ondanmi. biz uretecekmisiz! bize uygunmus. test mi ettiniz? madem modifiye edilmis alacaktiniz niye a-129? tabi f-16 nasil dunyadaki en iyi ucak biza gore. buda en iyi helikopter olur.
A129 mangusta is 100%italian,turkey bought it in 2007 renaming it T129 and it is really different from a129 mangusta.Sorry third world,mangusta is Italian.
@Satiro88 The Agusta A129 Mangusta (English: Mongoose) is an attack helicopter originally designed and produced by Agusta in Italy. It was the first attack helicopter to be designed and produced wholly in Western Europe. The TAI/AgustaWestland T-129 ATAK is an enhanced version of the A129, and its development is now the responsibility of Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI), with AgustaWestland as the primary partner.. reference wikipedia
Maybe we could improve some more cool stuff, but I think we are on the right way, anyway this generation is quite enough for performing our military services... for the moment.
guys i really don't know why you are fighting for, our countries Italy - Turkiye are building something together. If this works out we will do things together in the future. The company who sold it knows what he sold and the company bought knows what he bought. They are happy why should we not ?
What the 1-1/2 rotor (also can be called tri-rotor) is, is a short, balance rotor, with half the diameter of the main rotor which is fitted above, and then above it, another balance rotor, half the diameter of the main rotor (not necessarily half diameter, but would be made to put off half the torque when spun at speed) and then, finally, the radar dish above that (or whatever you call the plate above the blades that works the radar =P)
Please... shut up a little you guys. No one cares who uses it, they care that Italy made it, and that it frikkin owns. Althout personally, my add-ons to the Tiger Attack helicopter would beat any of this xD
For example, it would have stealth technology like the canceled RAH-66 was supposed to, and it would feature a new, 1/2 roter design which I, as far as I've seen, am the only who's ever thought of.
For antitank role, A 10 thunderbolt II or SU 25 fits better than any helicopter. Also, it's not guatanteed that you'll down a ground attack aircraft with a portable missle or an anti aircraft gun. More precise air support to infantry is not possible in modern warfare. The only surplus about T129 is the know-how to be used for a future indigenious utility helicopter I think.
Actually we save many lifes in Afghanistan :ours,brits,spanish and yankee patrols .
Also the spike missiles are working so well ,the 129 has shown to be a versatile and precise platform and you think we are using the 3rd generation called "combat" .
For the fast ground attack we have the Amx Ghibli in use in Afghnanistan too .
The Mil-24 is a fat,old,slow crap totally overpriced IMHO .
I favor the one with highest armanent capability and durability in difficult conditions.
AH-64 Apacahe is unnecessarily expensive, A129 or T129 is a dead investment for future and even costlier than AH-64.
I prefer Mil-24 but this would be going too much of the army standards; nevertheless, they have the highest payload capability and bringing suppliest to the battlefield at the same time can be invaluable.
I cannot comment on the capabilities of either A129 and T129 as they are not tested on real battles.
But I can make some comments based on the Turkey's current condition needs.
Appearantly these platforms are being acquired against PKK militants. And the current picture of the clashes are with small groups of militants in contrast to larger groups of 90's.
Hi Fenris97,you r quite right,but I have to correct you just a bit.
I can understand,U in Turkey know this chopper just since Agusta won your national contract 4 an attack helo,but the A129 is quite known among the allies troops all over the world.
The A129 fought in many wars :Somalia,Balkans,Iraq and Actually Afghanistan.
It's a good platform to cover our troops on the ground and it can even engage a target from 4Km hiding itself behind a hill or whatever,enemy won't see his dead comin' XD
I agree with the jag3enaut that T129 is more Italian than being an indigenious platform. There is no need to make childish fights about that, so please don't do it against me.
Being a Turkish, I should first of all tell you that I don't believe in the use of attack helicopters on clashes involving states. As, portable infantry launched short range missles are cheap and easily available in larger numbers almost for every country.
@jag3rnaut The Agusta A129 Mangusta (English: Mongoose) is an attack helicopter originally designed and produced by Agusta in Italy. It was the first attack helicopter to be designed and produced wholly in Western Europe. The TAI/AgustaWestland T-129 ATAK is an enhanced version of the A129, and its development is now the responsibility of Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI), with AgustaWestland as the primary partner.. reference wikipedia,, TAI recently made unmanned aircraft rival to the heron
@jag3rnaut The Agusta A129 Mangusta (English: Mongoose) is an attack helicopter originally designed and produced by Agusta in Italy. It was the first attack helicopter to be designed and produced wholly in Western Europe. The TAI/AgustaWestland T-129 ATAK is an enhanced version of the A129, and its development is now the responsibility of Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI), with AgustaWestland as the primary partner
@jag3rnaut it is half turkish , with new engine , anti-air rockets , new electronics and computer mounted helmet with display ( a part of future soldier project ) and new t-129 looks different that augusta a little bit , anyway both great countryes worked on it ( i am not turk )
@jag3rnaut A-129 is indeed Itallian, but Turkey did not just buy the airframes .. they bought the licence (just like they have f16 / f35 licence, we'll get the f35 licence when the project is finished together with the 116 f35's we ordered)
So Turkey has the rights to produce on own soil, selling to other countries, change the design and hardware.
T-129 will have Turkish weapon systems, different materials, Turkish software, new engines (not sure if they are Turkish) etc. etc
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this chopper is both of us (Turkey and İtalia) and ı think it will be fantastic. we use same chopper in the UN and this project gets as close ı thing this will be a good friendship :D
I think the A-129 is better because it has better technology and it's Italian :) And it's Mangusta not Mongoose but Mangusta means mongoose in Italian.
Then, It's not a modification made for us; it's a modification made BY us. since the missiles, fire control systems, targeting pods,etc are made by ASELSAN,HAVELSAN,Roketsan,etc,etc which are Turkish Companies. Why would we modify it if it wasn't better? Don't be funny T-129 is superior than A-129... Do you modify a car to make it worse? xD T-129 has some better electronic warfare systems and has a little better missiles with a stronger motor. "And it's Turkish"...
If you search some technical informations about the Agustawestland Super Lynx you will discover that it uses the same engine of the T modification !!!
So inform you better first to call someone else "dumbass" !!!
So which one would you prefer? Apache or Mongoose? I think Mongoose is using newer technology but Apache`s especially ah-64 longbow`s weapon and radar systems are better..
correct me if i am wrong..i was told that, engines, which have been developed for Us Commanche attack helicopters, will be used on those beauties( T-129s)..
Turkish defense officials selected the T129 helicopter to support the army's Tactical Reconnaissance and Attack Helicopter Program. The T129 helicopter is powered by CTS800-4A engines developed by the Light Helicopter Turbine Engine Co., a Honeywell and Rolls-Royce partnership for Us Commanche Programme
I don't know but the t129 is going to adopt the Rolls-Royce LHTEC T800 turboshaft engine that is the Agustawestland super Lynx's engine and not from the Comanche .
Check it ,this week the first T version prototype performed the maiden flight in the Agustawestland facilities in Vergiate, Italy.
aahah the technology about the comanche is top secret , anyway the t-12's engine its the same one of the Agustawestland super Lynx so wooow the super Lynx use the comanche's engine ahahahah please don't let me laugh XD XD
TAI is the Prime Contractor of the ATAK Program, whereas ASELSAN and AgustaWestland are the subcontractors of TAI. As the Prime Contractor of the ATAK Program, The helicopters will be manufactured at Turkey's Center of Aerospace, TAI. The mission computer and targeting, navigation, communication and electronic warfare systems will be developed and produced by ASELSAN, which is one of the leading defense companies of the world.
This chopper is an Agusta product made in 1989 your TAi is the subcontractor and the T version is a modification licensed by Agustawestland for turkish TAI .
Correct me if I'm wrong, from what I've heard, the chopper will be Italian but the weapon systems and some of the avionics will be developed by ASALSAN Turkey on 100% local design and components. They are capable of building weapons check out the STAMP.
Senza contare l'A-109 in versione Power e Koala un'altro elicottero riuscitissimo e vendutissimo sia in versione civile che in altre verisoni .
Ce li ha comprati mezzo mondo ma sempre per fare un esempio la benedetta america li usa massicciamente per compiti di polizia è la US coast guard ne ha circa 500 o 600 (questi tutti consegnati e funzionanti da anni ) .
Dunque scusami forse devo correggermi ,il 139 non è in servizio ma in ordine massiccio (dovrebbero essere 600) da parte dell'US army .
L'US-101 nn è stato cancellato ma stanno ripianificando i finanziamenti visto che gli hanno fatto notare che la lievitazione dei costi era colpa della loro megalomania non dell'Agusta .
Il 149 invece è gia un best seller in mezzo mondo ,ma anche l'Eh-101 ha e sta vedendo molto .
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Ma cacchio, una volta che si riesce a rompere il duopolio di Apache e Tiger e vendere l'elicottero a qualcuno si comincia subito a scambiare offese?! Dovremmo essere contenti e ringraziare questi turchi. Che si vantino pure del "loro" elicottero. Cavoli loro. L'importante è che paghino. Pace! Thank you Turkey!
L'apache ok ci siamo ma il tiger ha ancora seri problemi tecnici non è in servizio attivo e quelli che sono stati consegnati fino ad oggi sommando tedeschi,francesi,australiani e spagnoli si contano sulle dita di una mano dove sta questo strapotere ?
Sai quante guerre ha visto il nostro e quanti miglioramente e totali refit ha ricevuto il nostro caro buon Mangusta ?
Ma no ho mai detto e non credo che il Tiger sia superiore. Semplicemente ha rubato una fetta importante di mercato al Mangusta. Duopolio = "monopolio" esercitato da due.
Non ha mai rubato mercato ,la francia e la germania hanno le loro industrie come noi ognuno vuole l'indipendenza tecnica ed ha la presunzione di fare il prodotto migliore .
L'Agusta comunque ha più fetta di mercato dell'Eurocopter nel mondo civile e militare perchè non produce solo l'A-129 .
L'Aw139 ed il 149 venduti alle forze armate di mezzo mondo americani compresi ,il 101 che sarà il prossimo eliccottero presidenziale americano e sempre venduto a molti altri .
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Come on trupped every one knows, no need to argue off course mangusta is italian we know. But let our guys be happy cause this will be our first chopper and lets salute together if we (Turks and Italians) can produce the best or one of the best heli. by the way we choose it because it was the cheapest heli n we were broke :)) no matter ı'm sure we'll produce a tough guy for fight ha italian dude? So join our happiness n proud our (Italian-Turco) joint fighter chopper ;)))
No my friend ,you have your modification T-129 ,we maintain the A-129 configuration .
They are two separated product with two separated markets .
Anyway i'm with you thinking both our nation must be happy : you will have a good attack helicopter while our Agusta is earning money from this contract with the turkish TAI .
A129 Mangusta: Original production version, powered by two Rolls-Royce Gem 2 turboshafts.
A129 International: Upgraded version with five-bladed rotor, nose turret, support for Hellfire and Stinger missiles, advanced avionics equipment and two LHTEC T800 turboshafts.
A129 CBT(ComBaT): Upgraded version for the Italian army that incorporates the same advances as the A129 International version, but retains the original Gem turboshaft engines (although an uprated transmission system is fitted
Actually the Agusta is one of the world's biggest leader in this sector ,I don't think they need things like chances or partnerships .
The Turkish government with the T-129 is a good Agusta's customer like many other countries : example the USA with EH-101,A-109,Aw-149 ,but we can write a long list half world buy Agustawestland .
the a 129 is an italian product ..the first prototipe is of 1977 and it was thoguth as an antitank helicopter for the cold war.I don't want to offend our turkish friends but turkey as others nations did with apache ah64 ,,simply bought our helicopters and asked some modifications but the a129 reamined an italian produtc and unders agusta westland license
I T800 per ora sono previsti solo sul mod turco ,gli sviluppi prossimi del A-129 riguardano lo Spike verranno quindi ottimizzati alcuni sistemi e sostituite le sight units frontali con delle versioni più aggiornate e potenziate .
Per il futuro nulla è escluso ma i 129 attualmente in linea sono freschi freschi del 2004 quando vecchi esemplari sono ormai stati quasi tutti rimpiazzati dalle versioni combat e alcuni hanno subito refits .
A mio modesto parere(nn sono un pilota ma conosco la macchina in questione)gli attuali motori bastano ed avanzano e sono dimensionati al carico ed il lavoro che il 129 svolge egreggiamente .
Un upgrade dei motori alla versione T800 porterebbe una minore autonomia(il serbatoio nn si può ingrandire ed i pod subalari tolgono spazio alle armi).
In poche parole i T800sono una sboronata alla turca ,questo elicottero ingaggia bersagli a 3km non deve fare la F1 e nn è un caccia .
Vedremo se un giorno l'insalata che stanno facendo i turchi riuscirà a prendere il volo ,sembra che volgiano metterci persino una macchina per il caffè sul loro T-129 ma tanto contenti loro per noi vuol dire soldi che arrivano .
comunque la versione turca(che di turco ha assai poco) differisce dalla international solo per il radar buono ,ma ENORME del l apache e l avionica diversa
che PRESUMO sia diversa ,anche per il fatto che il t usa l armamento turco che è tanto rinnomato per la sua qualità ,da essere usato solo dai turchi.
E naturalmente dal prezzo che in questa versione "TURCA" XDXDXD
Beh inutili mica tanto ,il 129 fu progettato per agire in europa in caso di sconfinamento del patto di Varsavia ma l'apache ed il mi-24 avevano ache altre guerre da combattere non sono stati certo pensati solo per la guerra fredda .
Comnque sia negli anni anche il nostro A-129 è stato aggiornato con nuovi sistemi e nuove armi appunto per ovviare ad altri tipi di teatri operativi .
Ovviamente, lo davo per scontato. Rispondevo IN ITALIANO a quell'utente americano che disprezzava il Ns. elicottero. Io ho avuto la possibilità di vedere PERSONALMENTE in azione sia l'A-129 che AH-64 e, nonostante siano entrambe delle macchine eccezionali, la differenzala fa il pilota e i nostri sono i migliori (mi riferisco perlomeno agli elicotteristi).
L'A-129 attualmente in servizio nelll'esercito italiano e che ha operato e sta operando in Iraq e Afghanistan non è più lo stesso uscito negli anni 80 ,come gia detto gli attuali sono completamente nuovi e sono entrati in servizio nel 2004 prendenodo il posto dei primi modelli .
Gli attuali sono stat ripensati e riprogettati per le guerre ed i teatri moderni con armi attuali ed idonee .
Tutte le armi nascono per una motivo e poi vengono aggiornate negli anni .
Mistake. Turkey can sell T-129 worldwide except Italy and UK but Agusta Westland is always full owner of A-129 and of any future possible version and developement of this chopper.
It is true that we will produce T 129 but there is a thing you should know in Turkey people wanted to buy and establish the Apache factory but you know EU needs some bribe.And also we also bought the licences and we will sell this helli to the 3rd countries.Ah by the way
Better product bla bla bla how could you do better than the AgustaWestland ?
One of the best and biggest helicopter producer in tha world .
Just say you bought the license to made your own version cuz Agustawestland is still the owner of the original project to produce the Aw-129 and sell it to the world .
At least you will made a tropical pizza mix , messing together Italian,Israeli and American components
oooo,good,finally we found a good tukish guy. i´m sure there are many of you :D
cmq... sono parekkio coglioni (quelli ottusi) sono convinti ke il T sia meglio dell' A...ma se il T non esiste nemmeno !!!!!! vedono un mangusta volare e dicono ke é un T,ma allora sei coglione dentro xD
Off it is ,it's a great chopper and a great business for the turks witch finally have a great war machine to duck the terorists , but first it's a great business for the Italians eh eh
More countries buy our toys more we can upgrade eh eh
LOGGIE composte da strani mix di Famiglie Nobil-Bancario-Masson-Sionisti che che, grazie ai loro servi, i Politici di ogni Colore(che concessero loro di battere moneta), SPOSTANO IL CAPITALE -SPECULATIVO- DOVE RENDE DI PIù, fregandosene se il Paese da cui lo tolgono va in rovina
purtroppo hai ragione... cercate "zeitgeist" su google video... apre davvero gli occhi
If they change the tail rotor to ducted fan tail version like the Japan's OH-1 heli it would make it save cost in maintanance & less noise. Besides a couple of American Cobra pilots complement the Mangusta's excellent visibility & manueverabilities after test flying it they said its better than the Cobra.
Ah ah ah you stole that video ,it's the original from Agusta ahahaha your crap t129 will fly after the 2012 ah ah this is not the introduction of the t version wake up retard !
Video davvero carino..Ho la "fortuna" di avermelo visto contro il mangusta, vi assicuro che fa paura.
Turchi, americani e inglesi possono dire un po' quello che vogliono, solo prima di parlare dovrebbero vederlo svolazzare dal vivo..Vorrei proprio vedere se lo preferiscono con o contro..
Intanto ricordo che il VTLM lo abbiamo venduto a mezze forze europee, che gli USA hanno creato un colpo apposito da usare contro il Centauro e che la Beretta e Franchi sono italiane
Non si crea un proiettile solo per contrastare un tipo di mezzo bensi contro un tipo di corazzature che quel mezzo o più adottano.
Gli americani avevano già un proiettile che potrebbe perforare il tipo di corazzatura adottato dal centauro,ma non è stato creato per essere usato contro di noi che siamo loro alleati.
Diciamo che gli upgrades sulla corazzatura base del determinato mezzo che un paese riesce a fare tramite ricerca ed investimenti fanno la sicurezza degli equipaggi .
a129 is the ferrari among the choppers. light, fast and effective. apache is heavy but still effective...
blacklords2 1 month ago
MANGUSTA NO AGUSTA
mada674 2 months ago
@mada674 ahhahahahahahhaha
Marcowindsurfer 2 months ago
somehow, the italians have made a reliable and rather advanced workhorse combat chopper, compared to overpriced apaches and tiger, these proven mangustas is a good buy!
nektampines 6 months ago
Volevo sapere se è possibile che l'italia acquisti gli elicotteri russi MIL 28 che, secondo me, insieme ai mangusta sono i migliori elicotteri del mondo, perchè sono piccoli, agili e potenti sopratutto il russo che ha una mitragliatrice da 30 MM. E possibile installarne una sul Mangusta? Sono previsti aggiornamenti per il nostro elicottero?
TheAzawakh 10 months ago
@TheAzawakh Con i pochi soldi cha lo stato italiano dedica alla difesa è già un miracvolo che si abbia i Mangusta figurati acquistare i Mil 28 che non rispondono alle normative NATO.
spitme109 2 months ago
italia turkey atack helicopter best :))
AselSanTurkiye 10 months ago
we italian are the best weapon makers in the world.... i think this is known to all
colonnellomacello 1 year ago 4
Does the canon has Air Burst firing tecnology?
JOKERSTER1919 1 year ago
i don't find this song..what's name song please???!!!!..thank
esclavedenerule 1 year ago
ucacak mi bu cok merak ediyorum. neki bunu ayri kilan diger saldiri helikopterlerinden. takla mi atiyor? tiger in videolarini bir izleyin. en son ters takla atiyordu benim izledigim videoda :) akranlari arasinda tiger dururken git a129 u al. olacak is degil. super kilan ne bunu biz sectik ondanmi. biz uretecekmisiz! bize uygunmus. test mi ettiniz? madem modifiye edilmis alacaktiniz niye a-129? tabi f-16 nasil dunyadaki en iyi ucak biza gore. buda en iyi helikopter olur.
ng80386sx 1 year ago
@ng80386sx
Write in english retard !! No one understands your language .
I translated your rubbish with google and you just say stupid shit !
Don't you have balls to express your thoughts in english ?
ROMACAPVTMVNDl 1 year ago
this is new attack heli of the turkish army...thanks iTALİA...
modenaf2 1 year ago 2
Turkey is projecting T-131 base on T-129 today. it will be %100 Turkish patent
istanbulTurki 1 year ago
@istanbulTurki
What ? FIAT 131 ? XD
ROMACAPVTMVNDl 1 year ago
@istanbulTurki are you crazy?
Marcowindsurfer 1 year ago
The helicopter gave birth to the Franco-German Tiger
AGUSTA is the good
Ivan1the 1 year ago
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this is a great machine!
KilRoY1166 1 year ago
great machine!
KilRoY1166 1 year ago 3
pls !!! chile needs one of this
krhonhos 1 year ago
Don't say anything to Turks. Now they will all call you a racist liar.
They steal, lie and cheat everything, just live with it.
lesleyhenriquez 1 year ago
A129 mangusta is 100%italian,turkey bought it in 2007 renaming it T129 and it is really different from a129 mangusta.Sorry third world,mangusta is Italian.
Satiro88 1 year ago
@Satiro88 The Agusta A129 Mangusta (English: Mongoose) is an attack helicopter originally designed and produced by Agusta in Italy. It was the first attack helicopter to be designed and produced wholly in Western Europe. The TAI/AgustaWestland T-129 ATAK is an enhanced version of the A129, and its development is now the responsibility of Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI), with AgustaWestland as the primary partner.. reference wikipedia
wannadrinkup 1 year ago
Mmmh, some good stuff from my country, huh?
Maybe we could improve some more cool stuff, but I think we are on the right way, anyway this generation is quite enough for performing our military services... for the moment.
deimos2k6 1 year ago
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criticallevelkitty 2 years ago
guys i really don't know why you are fighting for, our countries Italy - Turkiye are building something together. If this works out we will do things together in the future. The company who sold it knows what he sold and the company bought knows what he bought. They are happy why should we not ?
tecellos 2 years ago 4
Continued: I ment 1-1/2
What the 1-1/2 rotor (also can be called tri-rotor) is, is a short, balance rotor, with half the diameter of the main rotor which is fitted above, and then above it, another balance rotor, half the diameter of the main rotor (not necessarily half diameter, but would be made to put off half the torque when spun at speed) and then, finally, the radar dish above that (or whatever you call the plate above the blades that works the radar =P)
n1b3luNg 2 years ago
Please... shut up a little you guys. No one cares who uses it, they care that Italy made it, and that it frikkin owns. Althout personally, my add-ons to the Tiger Attack helicopter would beat any of this xD
For example, it would have stealth technology like the canceled RAH-66 was supposed to, and it would feature a new, 1/2 roter design which I, as far as I've seen, am the only who's ever thought of.
n1b3luNg 2 years ago
The A-129 uses same tecnologies (which you call stealth ) of the tiger .
Actually the A-129 is at its 3rd generation ,that meant: more upgraded ,more fitted and fixed stuffs ,more power and new toys .
jag3rnaut 2 years ago
@jag3rnaut
This version must have taken some doing. If memory serves me correctly the A129 originally was not designed to have a gun turret.
I think the A129 was only the third purpose-designed attack chopper after the Cobra and the Hind.
pinz2022 2 months ago
@n1b3luNg Shut the fuck up dude, Ah-64 apache would smash them both
Symbiote88 1 year ago
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@n1b3luNg Hey boy fuck you ok..........
palermo4023 4 months ago
For antitank role, A 10 thunderbolt II or SU 25 fits better than any helicopter. Also, it's not guatanteed that you'll down a ground attack aircraft with a portable missle or an anti aircraft gun. More precise air support to infantry is not possible in modern warfare. The only surplus about T129 is the know-how to be used for a future indigenious utility helicopter I think.
fenris97 2 years ago
Actually we save many lifes in Afghanistan :ours,brits,spanish and yankee patrols .
Also the spike missiles are working so well ,the 129 has shown to be a versatile and precise platform and you think we are using the 3rd generation called "combat" .
For the fast ground attack we have the Amx Ghibli in use in Afghnanistan too .
The Mil-24 is a fat,old,slow crap totally overpriced IMHO .
ROMACAPVTMVNDl 2 years ago
You Forgot French soldiers, German soldiers, Turks, Italians, Swedes, Norwegians, Poles.... need I continue?
n1b3luNg 2 years ago
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I favor the one with highest armanent capability and durability in difficult conditions.
AH-64 Apacahe is unnecessarily expensive, A129 or T129 is a dead investment for future and even costlier than AH-64.
I prefer Mil-24 but this would be going too much of the army standards; nevertheless, they have the highest payload capability and bringing suppliest to the battlefield at the same time can be invaluable.
fenris97 2 years ago
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I cannot comment on the capabilities of either A129 and T129 as they are not tested on real battles.
But I can make some comments based on the Turkey's current condition needs.
Appearantly these platforms are being acquired against PKK militants. And the current picture of the clashes are with small groups of militants in contrast to larger groups of 90's.
Therefore an attack helicopter has some use here.
fenris97 2 years ago
Hi Fenris97,you r quite right,but I have to correct you just a bit.
I can understand,U in Turkey know this chopper just since Agusta won your national contract 4 an attack helo,but the A129 is quite known among the allies troops all over the world.
The A129 fought in many wars :Somalia,Balkans,Iraq and Actually Afghanistan.
It's a good platform to cover our troops on the ground and it can even engage a target from 4Km hiding itself behind a hill or whatever,enemy won't see his dead comin' XD
ROMACAPVTMVNDl 2 years ago
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I agree with the jag3enaut that T129 is more Italian than being an indigenious platform. There is no need to make childish fights about that, so please don't do it against me.
fenris97 2 years ago
Being a Turkish, I should first of all tell you that I don't believe in the use of attack helicopters on clashes involving states. As, portable infantry launched short range missles are cheap and easily available in larger numbers almost for every country.
fenris97 2 years ago
Forza ITALIA! Not Turkey, shesh when will you people understand?
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omg wtf are u all NERDS thats CALLED T129 Atak 100% made in turkey the programm everything stupid g4ys
oWnEr1Dh 2 years ago
Are you retard or what else ?
The A-129 is an Italian Product ,turkey bought 60 airframes !!
Inform yourself better retard !
jag3rnaut 2 years ago 11
@jag3rnaut The Agusta A129 Mangusta (English: Mongoose) is an attack helicopter originally designed and produced by Agusta in Italy. It was the first attack helicopter to be designed and produced wholly in Western Europe. The TAI/AgustaWestland T-129 ATAK is an enhanced version of the A129, and its development is now the responsibility of Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI), with AgustaWestland as the primary partner.. reference wikipedia,, TAI recently made unmanned aircraft rival to the heron
wannadrinkup 1 year ago
@wannadrinkup
Well, I believe the A129 has the distinction of being the first true attack helicopter that wasn't either American or Russian.
Now, there are more attack helicopter designs than you can shake a stick at.
pinz2022 10 months ago
@jag3rnaut The Agusta A129 Mangusta (English: Mongoose) is an attack helicopter originally designed and produced by Agusta in Italy. It was the first attack helicopter to be designed and produced wholly in Western Europe. The TAI/AgustaWestland T-129 ATAK is an enhanced version of the A129, and its development is now the responsibility of Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI), with AgustaWestland as the primary partner
wannadrinkup 1 year ago
@jag3rnaut it is half turkish , with new engine , anti-air rockets , new electronics and computer mounted helmet with display ( a part of future soldier project ) and new t-129 looks different that augusta a little bit , anyway both great countryes worked on it ( i am not turk )
Skyguyfrom501legion 1 year ago
@jag3rnaut A-129 is indeed Itallian, but Turkey did not just buy the airframes .. they bought the licence (just like they have f16 / f35 licence, we'll get the f35 licence when the project is finished together with the 116 f35's we ordered)
So Turkey has the rights to produce on own soil, selling to other countries, change the design and hardware.
T-129 will have Turkish weapon systems, different materials, Turkish software, new engines (not sure if they are Turkish) etc. etc
3choBlast3r 1 year ago
@3choBlast3r
We have to repeat always the same things .
Turkey bought the right to produce an A-129's mod non the A-129 itself .
Agusta created a special version for Turkey called T-129 then Turkey have full rights to produce T-129 while the A-129 is still an Agusta's product .
ROMACAPVTMVNDl 1 year ago 3
@jag3rnaut
I've always wondered how well the gun works and how many rounds it can carry, seeing as it was originally designed not to have a gun at all.
I'm trying to recall I once saw years ago a photograph of an A129 variant that had a rather awkward-looking .50 caliber gun turret stuck on it.
pinz2022 10 months ago
TURKEY JUST BOUGHT IT U IDIOT!
Alex31121234 2 years ago 2
@oWnEr1Dh ahahahahahahahah
FraChief 1 year ago
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this chopper is both of us (Turkey and İtalia) and ı think it will be fantastic. we use same chopper in the UN and this project gets as close ı thing this will be a good friendship :D
blackeyes90 2 years ago
Italy uses this chopper from 1989 ,you just bought is as a product .
jag3rnaut 2 years ago 5
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Italian-made at the trash.
narsil58 2 years ago
So you bought trash cuz you like trash ,didn't you ?
retard loser don't cry too much XD !!
jag3rnaut 2 years ago
MADE IN ITALY ;)
gippobastard 2 years ago 35
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T-129 is originally Turkish Heli.
Emproraptasyon 2 years ago
Oh yep ,made by the A-129 ;)
jag3rnaut 2 years ago
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Agusta ripped the EuroCopter PAH design for thiere A-129
hellcatdave1 2 years ago
The Agusta A-129 was the first ,check it first to write bullshit !!
jag3rnaut 2 years ago
So we can say :the Eurocopter ripped the A-129's design for their Tiger .
jag3rnaut 2 years ago
grazie italia from turcia,
kartal64so 2 years ago 42
@kartal64so ka-50 is better then this
Skyguyfrom501legion 9 months ago
I think the A-129 is better because it has better technology and it's Italian :) And it's Mangusta not Mongoose but Mangusta means mongoose in Italian.
GattiF50 2 years ago
Better than what??
Janissary1991 2 years ago
I think Gatti50 means better than the moficiation made for you ,the T-129 .
The LHTEC T800 is another gift by Agustawestland ,in fact they use it on the Aw-300 Superlynx .
jag3rnaut 2 years ago
Oh ya Gatti50 almost my username :)
GattiF50 2 years ago
Then, It's not a modification made for us; it's a modification made BY us. since the missiles, fire control systems, targeting pods,etc are made by ASELSAN,HAVELSAN,Roketsan,etc,etc which are Turkish Companies. Why would we modify it if it wasn't better? Don't be funny T-129 is superior than A-129... Do you modify a car to make it worse? xD T-129 has some better electronic warfare systems and has a little better missiles with a stronger motor. "And it's Turkish"...
Janissary1991 2 years ago 4
But it was modeled from an Italian attack helicopter so it's pretty much Italian, just a few minor Turkish designs.
GattiF50 2 years ago 5
just watch it you dumbass
watch?v=jOvfMGWXIQw you can see changed engine if u not blind after that most of the helicopter going to change untill 2013
Fasoaga3169 2 years ago
the dumbass here is you !!!
Go to check your infos about !!
What change ?
If you search some technical informations about the Agustawestland Super Lynx you will discover that it uses the same engine of the T modification !!!
So inform you better first to call someone else "dumbass" !!!
AlexDiSanto 2 years ago
So which one would you prefer? Apache or Mongoose? I think Mongoose is using newer technology but Apache`s especially ah-64 longbow`s weapon and radar systems are better..
darkgs 2 years ago
Part of the Ah-64 technology now is part of the Agustawestland's know-how baggage .
Part of these technologies are now integrated in the A-129 .
Anyway every kind of comparison between the Apache and Mongoose are useless .
They are 2 different choppers .
AlexDiSanto 2 years ago
correct me if i am wrong..i was told that, engines, which have been developed for Us Commanche attack helicopters, will be used on those beauties( T-129s)..
darkgs 2 years ago
The Us Comanche project is still a secret ,tell me how could you use its top secret engine ?
And more the Comanche is more big than the agusta 129 , where do you want to put that engine ?
AlexDiSanto 2 years ago
INDIANAPOLIS, Sept. 5 (UPI) --
Turkish defense officials selected the T129 helicopter to support the army's Tactical Reconnaissance and Attack Helicopter Program. The T129 helicopter is powered by CTS800-4A engines developed by the Light Helicopter Turbine Engine Co., a Honeywell and Rolls-Royce partnership for Us Commanche Programme
Under the $96 million deal, ... so whats that?
darkgs 2 years ago
I don't know but the t129 is going to adopt the Rolls-Royce LHTEC T800 turboshaft engine that is the Agustawestland super Lynx's engine and not from the Comanche .
Check it ,this week the first T version prototype performed the maiden flight in the Agustawestland facilities in Vergiate, Italy.
AlexDiSanto 2 years ago
yeah there is a big question mark there..anyways thanks tho
darkgs 2 years ago
its not top secret :D everyone knows that :D
Fasoaga3169 2 years ago
yeah you are right T129 done its first test flight with commanche engine
here's the link watch?v=jOvfMGWXIQw
Fasoaga3169 2 years ago
aahah the technology about the comanche is top secret , anyway the t-12's engine its the same one of the Agustawestland super Lynx so wooow the super Lynx use the comanche's engine ahahahah please don't let me laugh XD XD
AlexDiSanto 2 years ago
@ jag3rnaut @ enoughzenough
TAI is the Prime Contractor of the ATAK Program, whereas ASELSAN and AgustaWestland are the subcontractors of TAI. As the Prime Contractor of the ATAK Program, The helicopters will be manufactured at Turkey's Center of Aerospace, TAI. The mission computer and targeting, navigation, communication and electronic warfare systems will be developed and produced by ASELSAN, which is one of the leading defense companies of the world.
TurkishPhenom 2 years ago
Dude what are you saying ?
This chopper is an Agusta product made in 1989 your TAi is the subcontractor and the T version is a modification licensed by Agustawestland for turkish TAI .
Check it you're doing a mess .
jag3rnaut 2 years ago
I didn't say the A version is Turkish model, read again!
TurkishPhenom 2 years ago
Nope you wrong, the A-129 "Mangusta" is on duty in the Italian Army since1989 .
In 2004 the Italian Army has replaced? all the Mangusta's with a new upgraded and powerful version denominated A-129 "Combat" .
In 2007 the A-129 "Combat" has been chosen by Turkey as the winner of its attack and tactical reconnaissance helicopter project known as ATAK .
The project covers production of 50+41 helicopters in TAI facilities.
Agusta is working with TAI to a Turkish modification called T-129.
jag3rnaut 2 years ago
Correct me if I'm wrong, from what I've heard, the chopper will be Italian but the weapon systems and some of the avionics will be developed by ASALSAN Turkey on 100% local design and components. They are capable of building weapons check out the STAMP.
enoughzenough 2 years ago
The A-129 took part to the war in Somalia ,war in Balkans ,Iraq and currently is employed in Afghanistan .
jag3rnaut 2 years ago
MADE IN ITALY ;)
gippobastard 2 years ago 5
Senza contare l'A-109 in versione Power e Koala un'altro elicottero riuscitissimo e vendutissimo sia in versione civile che in altre verisoni .
Ce li ha comprati mezzo mondo ma sempre per fare un esempio la benedetta america li usa massicciamente per compiti di polizia è la US coast guard ne ha circa 500 o 600 (questi tutti consegnati e funzionanti da anni ) .
AlexDiSanto 2 years ago
Dunque scusami forse devo correggermi ,il 139 non è in servizio ma in ordine massiccio (dovrebbero essere 600) da parte dell'US army .
L'US-101 nn è stato cancellato ma stanno ripianificando i finanziamenti visto che gli hanno fatto notare che la lievitazione dei costi era colpa della loro megalomania non dell'Agusta .
Il 149 invece è gia un best seller in mezzo mondo ,ma anche l'Eh-101 ha e sta vedendo molto .
AlexDiSanto 2 years ago
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Ma cacchio, una volta che si riesce a rompere il duopolio di Apache e Tiger e vendere l'elicottero a qualcuno si comincia subito a scambiare offese?! Dovremmo essere contenti e ringraziare questi turchi. Che si vantino pure del "loro" elicottero. Cavoli loro. L'importante è che paghino. Pace! Thank you Turkey!
tardoproto 2 years ago
Ma quale strapotere scusa?
L'apache ok ci siamo ma il tiger ha ancora seri problemi tecnici non è in servizio attivo e quelli che sono stati consegnati fino ad oggi sommando tedeschi,francesi,australiani e spagnoli si contano sulle dita di una mano dove sta questo strapotere ?
Sai quante guerre ha visto il nostro e quanti miglioramente e totali refit ha ricevuto il nostro caro buon Mangusta ?
jag3rnaut 2 years ago
Ma no ho mai detto e non credo che il Tiger sia superiore. Semplicemente ha rubato una fetta importante di mercato al Mangusta. Duopolio = "monopolio" esercitato da due.
tardoproto 2 years ago
Non ha mai rubato mercato ,la francia e la germania hanno le loro industrie come noi ognuno vuole l'indipendenza tecnica ed ha la presunzione di fare il prodotto migliore .
L'Agusta comunque ha più fetta di mercato dell'Eurocopter nel mondo civile e militare perchè non produce solo l'A-129 .
L'Aw139 ed il 149 venduti alle forze armate di mezzo mondo americani compresi ,il 101 che sarà il prossimo eliccottero presidenziale americano e sempre venduto a molti altri .
AlexDiSanto 2 years ago
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Come on trupped every one knows, no need to argue off course mangusta is italian we know. But let our guys be happy cause this will be our first chopper and lets salute together if we (Turks and Italians) can produce the best or one of the best heli. by the way we choose it because it was the cheapest heli n we were broke :)) no matter ı'm sure we'll produce a tough guy for fight ha italian dude? So join our happiness n proud our (Italian-Turco) joint fighter chopper ;)))
genccaglar 2 years ago
Italo-Turkish ?
No my friend ,you have your modification T-129 ,we maintain the A-129 configuration .
They are two separated product with two separated markets .
Anyway i'm with you thinking both our nation must be happy : you will have a good attack helicopter while our Agusta is earning money from this contract with the turkish TAI .
jag3rnaut 2 years ago
The a-129 is 1 of the most expensive chopper (43 million ) only some version of the tiger is more expensive.
your army have chosed it because , they think (and they have right) that is the best product :)
TheBlackdago 2 years ago 4
Being expensive is not something good but T-129 has the strongest engine for it's weight.
A-129 = 650BHP
T-129 = 1350BHP
It became more agile than any helicopter except Commanche whose production is cancelled...
A very good partnership for both Italian and Turkish Companies...
By the way it also gave a Chance to Agusta, for a partnership in Turkish Heavy Lift Helicopter Project...
Janissary1991 2 years ago
the A-129I uses the same engine of the T-129 (the LHTEC T800) only the classic version of the mongoose and the cbt uses the Rolls-Royce Gem engine.
TheBlackdago 2 years ago
A-129I uses 2× Rolls-Royce Gem 2-1004D which has a power of 890SHP.
T-129 uses 2× LHTEC CTS800-4A turboshaft which has a power of 1361SHP.
T-129 can be considered as the new version of A-129 that's all. By the way it uses different missiles and targeting systems...
Janissary1991 2 years ago
A129 Mangusta: Original production version, powered by two Rolls-Royce Gem 2 turboshafts.
A129 International: Upgraded version with five-bladed rotor, nose turret, support for Hellfire and Stinger missiles, advanced avionics equipment and two LHTEC T800 turboshafts.
A129 CBT(ComBaT): Upgraded version for the Italian army that incorporates the same advances as the A129 International version, but retains the original Gem turboshaft engines (although an uprated transmission system is fitted
TheBlackdago 2 years ago
The T-129 is not the A-129's new version but a modification apart created for the turkish market .
The official upgrade for the A-129 is the version called "International" also knowed as "Combat" in Italy ,actually in use with the Italian Army .
jag3rnaut 2 years ago
Actually the Agusta is one of the world's biggest leader in this sector ,I don't think they need things like chances or partnerships .
The Turkish government with the T-129 is a good Agusta's customer like many other countries : example the USA with EH-101,A-109,Aw-149 ,but we can write a long list half world buy Agustawestland .
AlexDiSanto 2 years ago 2
Sorry but your incorrect the A-129 has 890SHP not BHP this is not a car it's a helicopter! Forza Italia
GattiF50 2 years ago
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TheBlackdago 2 years ago
the a 129 is an italian product ..the first prototipe is of 1977 and it was thoguth as an antitank helicopter for the cold war.I don't want to offend our turkish friends but turkey as others nations did with apache ah64 ,,simply bought our helicopters and asked some modifications but the a129 reamined an italian produtc and unders agusta westland license
trupped 2 years ago 8
UNA DOMANDA
i nostri mangusta useranno mai gli LHTEC T800 ?
e quali sviluppi sono previsti per i nostri mangusta?
attendo delle risposte!!
TheBlackdago 2 years ago
I T800 per ora sono previsti solo sul mod turco ,gli sviluppi prossimi del A-129 riguardano lo Spike verranno quindi ottimizzati alcuni sistemi e sostituite le sight units frontali con delle versioni più aggiornate e potenziate .
Per il futuro nulla è escluso ma i 129 attualmente in linea sono freschi freschi del 2004 quando vecchi esemplari sono ormai stati quasi tutti rimpiazzati dalle versioni combat e alcuni hanno subito refits .
L'attuale livello delle macchine è soddisfacente
ROMACAPVTMVNDl 2 years ago
A mio modesto parere(nn sono un pilota ma conosco la macchina in questione)gli attuali motori bastano ed avanzano e sono dimensionati al carico ed il lavoro che il 129 svolge egreggiamente .
Un upgrade dei motori alla versione T800 porterebbe una minore autonomia(il serbatoio nn si può ingrandire ed i pod subalari tolgono spazio alle armi).
In poche parole i T800sono una sboronata alla turca ,questo elicottero ingaggia bersagli a 3km non deve fare la F1 e nn è un caccia .
ROMACAPVTMVNDl 2 years ago
Vedremo se un giorno l'insalata che stanno facendo i turchi riuscirà a prendere il volo ,sembra che volgiano metterci persino una macchina per il caffè sul loro T-129 ma tanto contenti loro per noi vuol dire soldi che arrivano .
ROMACAPVTMVNDl 2 years ago
Grazie della risposta !!
comunque la versione turca(che di turco ha assai poco) differisce dalla international solo per il radar buono ,ma ENORME del l apache e l avionica diversa
che PRESUMO sia diversa ,anche per il fatto che il t usa l armamento turco che è tanto rinnomato per la sua qualità ,da essere usato solo dai turchi.
E naturalmente dal prezzo che in questa versione "TURCA" XDXDXD
SCHIZZA ALLE STELLE
TheBlackdago 2 years ago
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Djstecca 2 years ago
Beh inutili mica tanto ,il 129 fu progettato per agire in europa in caso di sconfinamento del patto di Varsavia ma l'apache ed il mi-24 avevano ache altre guerre da combattere non sono stati certo pensati solo per la guerra fredda .
Comnque sia negli anni anche il nostro A-129 è stato aggiornato con nuovi sistemi e nuove armi appunto per ovviare ad altri tipi di teatri operativi .
ROMACAPVTMVNDl 2 years ago
Ovviamente, lo davo per scontato. Rispondevo IN ITALIANO a quell'utente americano che disprezzava il Ns. elicottero. Io ho avuto la possibilità di vedere PERSONALMENTE in azione sia l'A-129 che AH-64 e, nonostante siano entrambe delle macchine eccezionali, la differenzala fa il pilota e i nostri sono i migliori (mi riferisco perlomeno agli elicotteristi).
Djstecca 2 years ago
L'A-129 attualmente in servizio nelll'esercito italiano e che ha operato e sta operando in Iraq e Afghanistan non è più lo stesso uscito negli anni 80 ,come gia detto gli attuali sono completamente nuovi e sono entrati in servizio nel 2004 prendenodo il posto dei primi modelli .
Gli attuali sono stat ripensati e riprogettati per le guerre ed i teatri moderni con armi attuali ed idonee .
Tutte le armi nascono per una motivo e poi vengono aggiornate negli anni .
ROMACAPVTMVNDl 2 years ago
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1.59 sn after, ıptıs dım dım
wait wait
Iptıs dım dım.
Made Turkish Longbow Radar....
Made Turkish rocket Cirit
Made Turkish anti tank Rocket Umtaş
Made Turkish Flır AselFlır 300 -T
Dım tıs up up ,ıptıs dım dım
DELITURUK 2 years ago
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dımtıs dımtıs dımtıs..
Long live Aselsan..
Hey grekoviç you are waiting 2012
Dımtıs Dımtıs Dımtıs....
Poor Comment,flag hahaa
DELITURUK 2 years ago
oh please ,you are so fanatic and stupid .
The radar Longbow is and American product and the simple fact you put a turkish made bullet in a gun it doesn't means the gun is turkish made .
You can name that helicopter "super turkey" ,"t129" or whatever you want ,
for the world it rests the ITALIAN AW-129 under license !!!!
So don't cry too much WE invented it and WE allow you to produce some copies under license ,and WE even will help you to assemble it in 2012 .
Now stop plz !!
ROMACAPVTMVNDl 2 years ago 2
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karsia36 2 years ago
You didn't' buy the right for the A-129 , you paid to have your personal modification called T-129 .
You have total rights over the T version it is a special modification created by Agusta for the turkey .
You can sell the T version to the whole world except Europe and America .
But you don't understand that the A-129 remains an Agusta product ,you right concern only the T version created for you .
ROMACAPVTMVNDl 2 years ago 6
The Agusta still produces the A-129 and can sell it to the whole world ,so your marketplace for the your T-129 remains just the middle east .
ROMACAPVTMVNDl 2 years ago 2
as far as know, turkey can sell whole world except italy and the UK..
check it ..
altai1903 2 years ago
what's worthwhile to buy?
An Agustawestland chopper made by one of the world best producers .
Or an overpriced modification that Agustawestland made for the Turkish ?
Agusta still sells the product wordlwide ,and everybody can ask for a personalization .
jag3rnaut 2 years ago
Mistake. Turkey can sell T-129 worldwide except Italy and UK but Agusta Westland is always full owner of A-129 and of any future possible version and developement of this chopper.
Yukosfamily 2 years ago
its an italian helicopter with american weapons.
nothing turkish in it.
owenbreon 2 years ago
stupid t-129 will use turkısh weapons cirit,umtas,omtas stupid gay
dogus597 2 years ago
Oh great so "stupid gays" are in the list of turkish made stuffs and you'll put 'em on your T-129 ,eh eh good and i bet you'll paint it in pink XD
great news thank you .
ROMACAPVTMVNDl 2 years ago
Don't forget that most of Usa Carriers use OTO-MELARA anti-missile system (1000 shots/second!!!!!!!)
It's an ITALIAN weapon like the TM197B on A-129 (OTO-BREDA are Italian weapon factories).
Djstecca 2 years ago
italian people can do that not turkish...siete buoni a fa solo il kebab
ivannred90 2 years ago 11
It is true that we will produce T 129 but there is a thing you should know in Turkey people wanted to buy and establish the Apache factory but you know EU needs some bribe.And also we also bought the licences and we will sell this helli to the 3rd countries.Ah by the way
Siamo molto bene fare .............
Fefhem cidde hımaran kebira
İdi nahuy bilet suki italiani...
Yada türkçe mi bişey diyem saa dallbaşşak
akinci14 2 years ago
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New AselFLIR,New Rockect Cırıt and Umtaş
Searching Idef2009
DELITURUK 2 years ago
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Turkey have 129 but new motor design and cirit umtaş anti tank rocket and Aselflir 300 t and have Longbow radar..
We waiting 2012
DELITURUK 2 years ago
Of course ,in 2012 Turkey will have its personal version of this awesome Italian chopper .
ROMACAPVTMVNDl 2 years ago
this video is pointless.Pls go find turkish and italian military agrements.Turkey and Italy make it together.We dont say just we did it.
izlandali 2 years ago
Dude all the turkish are pointless and all you bullshits about this 100% iTALIAN MADE HELICOPTER !
The italian Agusta projected it in 1982 and made the definitive version in 1989 !!!
The one in the video il the latest modernized version made by Agusta in 2004 !!
The turkish tai just bought the license to bulid its version and it will start in 2012 .
You just bough a product and now you think to be part of the project ,inform yourself better next time ,first to say bullshits .
ROMACAPVTMVNDl 2 years ago 3
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no turkish ppl got da license and then changed some parts of the body and put better tecnolge in it and made it a little better
yusa40 2 years ago
oh plz stop to say everything the same thing .
Better product bla bla bla how could you do better than the AgustaWestland ?
One of the best and biggest helicopter producer in tha world .
Just say you bought the license to made your own version cuz Agustawestland is still the owner of the original project to produce the Aw-129 and sell it to the world .
At least you will made a tropical pizza mix , messing together Italian,Israeli and American components
ROMACAPVTMVNDl 2 years ago
really nice helicopter
DeliDivaneTurk58 2 years ago 4
oooo,good,finally we found a good tukish guy. i´m sure there are many of you :D
cmq... sono parekkio coglioni (quelli ottusi) sono convinti ke il T sia meglio dell' A...ma se il T non esiste nemmeno !!!!!! vedono un mangusta volare e dicono ke é un T,ma allora sei coglione dentro xD
siladovia 3 years ago 7
italy turkey are same
we are mediterrian country
so shut up with "fuck italy" or "fuck turkey"
roman empire and ottoman empire we are both great nations!!!
peace from TURKEY
muakTR 3 years ago 13
I agree .
ROMACAPVTMVNDl 3 years ago 3
italy is part of EU. Turkey isn't. That is a hell of a difference.
Konig1985 2 years ago 7
Sweet helicopter! Looks like the WZ-10!
BTW, what is the name of the music?
segregator236 3 years ago
epic=)
dankerthanclanker 3 years ago
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T-129 will almost be totaly different than A-129... Mission computer, avionics, and weapon systems of T-129 will be 100% Turkish made...
oz83 3 years ago
Nope ,turkey will start to build the first t129 in 2012 .
ROMACAPVTMVNDl 3 years ago
have you sold this baby to turks ? what is the matter with T129 ..
bournehan 3 years ago
The turks bought a license to can build their own version ,they never bought the A129 .
In fact it rests an Agusta product with all rights reserved .
The turks have the right to sell their T129 only outside the European and American marketplace .
Maybe powerfull countries like the Jamaica or Papuasia will buy it ;)
ROMACAPVTMVNDl 3 years ago 3
interesting.. thanks..
but I think it is a good business for turks.. this helicopter looks nice..
bournehan 3 years ago
Off it is ,it's a great chopper and a great business for the turks witch finally have a great war machine to duck the terorists , but first it's a great business for the Italians eh eh
More countries buy our toys more we can upgrade eh eh
ROMACAPVTMVNDl 3 years ago 2
Vedo solo poche MALEDETTE
LOGGIE composte da strani mix di Famiglie Nobil-Bancario-Masson-Sionisti che che, grazie ai loro servi, i Politici di ogni Colore(che concessero loro di battere moneta), SPOSTANO IL CAPITALE -SPECULATIVO- DOVE RENDE DI PIù, fregandosene se il Paese da cui lo tolgono va in rovina
purtroppo hai ragione... cercate "zeitgeist" su google video... apre davvero gli occhi
JacopoX1993 3 years ago
If they change the tail rotor to ducted fan tail version like the Japan's OH-1 heli it would make it save cost in maintanance & less noise. Besides a couple of American Cobra pilots complement the Mangusta's excellent visibility & manueverabilities after test flying it they said its better than the Cobra.
TogieTung 3 years ago
Mangusta the best =)
L'ho visto alla g.a.08 e fa paura Oo
Kid574 3 years ago 4
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Paura di cosa? Non si vive per provare la paura. E' solo una macchina, la guerra è un uso distorto delle macchine; quella deve metter paura.
Zhidongcho 3 years ago
Quel "fa paura" era metaforico ..
era per intendere che mi piace troppo . . .
Kid574 3 years ago
italin made a-129 and turkey made t-129
yusa40 3 years ago 5
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bullshit, this is the turkish introduction of there T version
SultanTSK 3 years ago
Ah ah ah you stole that video ,it's the original from Agusta ahahaha your crap t129 will fly after the 2012 ah ah this is not the introduction of the t version wake up retard !
AT0M1K4 3 years ago 7
ANCHE IL BENELLI E ITALIANO!
ddromico76 3 years ago 2
Whats music name?
RCAtech48 3 years ago
Video davvero carino..Ho la "fortuna" di avermelo visto contro il mangusta, vi assicuro che fa paura.
Turchi, americani e inglesi possono dire un po' quello che vogliono, solo prima di parlare dovrebbero vederlo svolazzare dal vivo..Vorrei proprio vedere se lo preferiscono con o contro..
Intanto ricordo che il VTLM lo abbiamo venduto a mezze forze europee, che gli USA hanno creato un colpo apposito da usare contro il Centauro e che la Beretta e Franchi sono italiane
furboti 3 years ago 3
Puoi spiegarmi meglio, Furboti, che significa
che gli USA hanno creato una munizione apposita CONTRO il Centauro? Grazie, ciao.
blupampurio 3 years ago
Non si crea un proiettile solo per contrastare un tipo di mezzo bensi contro un tipo di corazzature che quel mezzo o più adottano.
Gli americani avevano già un proiettile che potrebbe perforare il tipo di corazzatura adottato dal centauro,ma non è stato creato per essere usato contro di noi che siamo loro alleati.
Diciamo che gli upgrades sulla corazzatura base del determinato mezzo che un paese riesce a fare tramite ricerca ed investimenti fanno la sicurezza degli equipaggi .
ROMACAPVTMVNDl 3 years ago
No, sai Caput, da "alleati" come loro mi aspetto di tutto(e se dico questo ho i miei buoni motivi...) Ciao!
blupampurio 3 years ago
Bhe si ,ma quelli da cui aspettarsi di tutto non sono solo loro .
Mi pare ne abbiamo dato un buon esempio noi durante la seconda eh .
ROMACAPVTMVNDl 3 years ago