IRAN MILITARY AND NAVAL POWER IN THE STRATEGIC STRAIT OF HORMUZ

[BeantownJim]

obsolete!

[BeantownJim]

obsolite

[EPGAH]

The concept of the long war? What the hell are you talking about? Terrorist leaders have taunted us since Vietnam that Americans don't have the stomach for prolonged fights, but any attempt to leverage our technological superiority to CRUSH the enemies is denounced as "unfair"!

[KingKool187]

Death to USrael!

[2012ageoflight]

Iran will blast all in to pieces .

[KingKool187]

@2012ageoflight

By whom? The US crew which DIDN'T manage to destroy stone age Taliban?

[EPGAH]

@KingKool187 We could have crushed the terrorists, but everytime we hit hard enough to do so, they started whining that they were taking casualties. OMG! Taking casualties! In a war? Heavens to whatever!

And I suppose the IEDs wrapped the American victims in harmless cotton candy?

[KingKool187]

@EPGAH

Yeah, the Vietcong lost against the US, Sir you live in a different dimension!

[EPGAH]

@KingKool187 Way to misinterpret what I said! I said that WE COULD have crushed the bastards, but when we hit hard enough to do real harm, they bitched until we pulled punches. Take napalm for instance, wonderful way to smoke enemies out of entrenched, concealed positions. But some idiot releases a pic of kids being burned too in a village known to hold Viet Cong terrorists, and suddenly we're not allowed to use our best weapon! They had no such compunction about hurting OUR guys!

[EPGAH]

@KingKool187 My Dad was in Vietnam, and other than his stories about being ordered NOT to hit some SWEET Targets of Opportunity, I also did some research on my own and found out why he has such a bad case of loyalty to Nixon. Nixon sent in some super-bombers called "Linebacker", which pruned the Viet Cong back enough to let our guys "Get On Da Choppa" and get out. If we had used Linebackers all along, the Viet Cong would've lost!

[EPGAH]

@KingKool187 There's a Viet Cong General now publishing memoirs and bragging on the talk show circuit that we had the Viet Cong on the ropes, but OUR OWN MEDIA made us back off before we finished them off! While I think this is HUGELY arrogant, he's completely correct!

WWII is the last war we fought without pulling punches. Both sides used their best tech, but neither side complained about it until 30 years later! Contrast that with "You're inflicting casualties" whining nowadays!

[EPGAH]

@KingKool187 Imagine if, instead of bragging about their "invincibility", Nazis had said, "Wah! You're killing our people!" America would back off and go home, and today the EU would be all German territory. Or if Japan, instead of claiming our first nuke was a "Lucky Punch", had whined that we were killing "civilians" (Who were working in a munitions factory, but they're still "innocent", right?)? We would've backed off and let Japan continue raping Chinese and Filipinos?

[EPGAH]

@KingKool187 Hell, for that matter, I'm a slightly out-of-shape ex-Air Force. Gather up your favorite MMA or WWF fighters, tell them they are not allowed to hurt me, they're not allowed to use any of their Signature Moves, 'cause those are "too effective". With those strictures in place, I'd clean all their clocks quite handily.

Without those restrictions, I'll be lucky to survive the second hit!

America has lots of power, but we don't "let" our Men use it, so we take needless death

[EPGAH]

@KingKool187 One more point: Russia and China have historically backed the enemies from Iran on, and while we could easily exterminate Third World warlords that are too big for their britches, we can't if they have Unlimited Troops and Unlimited Weapons from an enemy superpower!

Even in your videogames, you can't win if the enemy has unlimited whatever and you don't, right?

[KingKool187]

@EPGAH

Of course, if the the nuked Pakistan, there would be no Taliban. But you can't use all of the force available. Pakistan has nukes, too. Iran may already got some warheads from Pakistan. I have some sources who claim, that Abdel Qadeer Khan already gave finished nukes to Iran, they only need some of their own delivery systems.

There is always a political dimension to the military. The US could have nuked the USSR in 1945 or until 1950 but would have lost on the political stage.

[EPGAH]

@KingKool187 I was not even THINKING of nukes, actually, more like clouds of Drones that could blot out the sun and clear-cut the next country that fucks with us like a Brazil rainforest. We could kill a whole enemy country without a single American casualty.

After winning, other countries would be LESS amenable to the idea of fucking with us.

However, when they know we won't crush them and will retreat, why not fuck with us?

[EPGAH]

@KingKool187 And yes, Pakistan is now the clearinghouse for black-market nuclear materials. I'm surprised even O-bum is staying "allies" with them, since they were harboring Bin Laden. A three-story building with barbed wire and live-fire exercises should arouse suspicion in all but the most absolutely CORRUPT of security-forces!

However, Iran refuses to let anyone check to make SURE they're not making nukes, and as NK proved, trusting a Third World country is naive beyond belief!

[EPGAH]

@KingKool187 As to Russia, how can America (Or any other country) enforce order when Russia is if not enforcing chaos, at least provide financial and material support to those who are?

In the 50s, Russia threatened to nuke us if we stopped them from gobbling lesser countries, which led to the Cuban Missile Crisis and Reagan's proxy war.

We've had bad luck with proxies, but thank God we never gave any of them a nuke!

Never give a retarded child a loaded gun!--Dad's words of wisdom

[KingKool187]

@EPGAH

You are overstating US Strength. Undoubtedly, the US is the most powerful single country on earth but not invincible. The USSR could have annihilated the US back then.

[EPGAH]

@KingKool187 That's exactly the problem, all the other countries who gain nuclear power are MUCH less responsible with it. Sort of the difference between Yosemite Sam and a cop? America only nuked Japan because when we said, "Stop Or We'll Shoot", they didn't stop--and the first one was just a "Lucky Punch"!

Russia used nukes to help push their idea of conquest. Kim Jong Il is the Asian Yosemite Sam, and his son is riding around in a tank, indicating similar instability. And Iran?

[2012ageoflight]

Yeah Iran got hardest power in the Middle east now . We will see who will win this war . Iran/Syria vs USA/Israel/NATO

[TheTruthisBackNow]

@2012ageoflight NO CORRECTION! IRAN/SYRIA/RUSSIA/CHINA VS USA/ISRAEL