former Southern Baptist preacher claims atheists are tiptoeing around Islam (1 of 2)

[Jordog05]

Here's my analogy of peoples ignorant and broad-sweeping hatred to the muslim culture:

Muslims are to Islam extremism as the KKK is to Christianity.

[aprox23]

I believe why most atheists don't speak out more vociferously about Islam is because the majority aren't educated enough on Islam and their usually dealing with Christians considering that's the religion of their community. Ask a atheist in the middle-east which religion he/she speaks out more on and he/she will say Islam.

[aslacuentayya]

what is "tiptoeing"?

[ThisIsMalice]

I may have missed something but... where'd the mangled toy come from?

[q1000101]

@ThisIsMalice It's two toys: the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and Moohammed the Cow. Can't see them too well in this video with the words in front of them, but look on some other vids and they are more visible.

watch?v=ruchQt3SpXM , go to the end of the video, and you can see Jen drop the Moohammed, which then falls to the table at a constant rate of acceleration of 9.8 m/s^2

[yuothineyesasian]

Both of the top comments are proven to be accurate and correct.

[Faerlon123]

There is a subtle difference in standing up for the constitutional right of EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN, and being critical of their religion. I mean, we atheists can jibberjabber how much we like their religion, but the moment we would ask the government(like the right-wing wants) to suspend the muslim's right to build near ground-zero, we wouldn't be any better than any other fascist. We got to focus on the critizising, and not the suspension of our freedom.

[pinball281]

WATCH THE ARRIVALS!!

[VidkunQL]

Notice the speech pattern:

"Yes, they have the RIGHT, but do-- but is it-- but-- but do they-- but I-- if-- but-- I-- consider this other thing..."

[moralreef]

with that fred phelps analogy, its not like al-Qaeda were building the mosque, was it?

[jacksawild]

Even if it is a deliberate attempt to be provocative, don't citizens have the right to provoke if they wish? I thought that's what the first amendment guaranteed. Sometimes people do/say things which upset other people, but that doesn't give anyone the right to stop them from doing so, does it?

[SeedsOfHatred]

@jacksawild It does, yes. People tend to get upset if you rape their daughter or burn their house down. Are you suggesting we don't have a "right" to stop them?

I think good ol' George had it right:

"Personally, I feel that I have the right to do anything I please. BUT, if I do something you don't like, I think you have the right to kill me." - George Carlin

[jacksawild]

@SeedsOfHatred Are you seriously trying to equate building a building with arson and rape? That's weak.

[SeedsOfHatred]

@jacksawild "Building a building"? Where exactly does this come in?

You suggested that people have a right to provoke others. In turn, I suggested that others have a right to stop them.

Pay attention.

[resincoatedlungs]

Mohammad was a pedophile, his followers are stupid, and I fucked him in the ass without a condom and came inside him. Fuck Islam.

That being said, I completely support the building of a mosque two feet away from ground zero, you can't tell what people to do with their land.

[unfunperson]

@resincoatedlungs i completly agree 100% with this post. I give you a thumbs up sir.

[X3BOOODYX2012]

@resincoatedlungs

No FUCK YOU, He wasn't a pedophile, his followers weren't stupid, and you were making up a 12 years old lies.

good luck with a stupid non-sense life claiming that you are civilized with that ans your stupid two dumb people in the video.

[Juxtaroberto]

@X3BOOODYX2012 Oh, no, I also fuck nine year old girls all the time. It's totally morally acceptable. -____-

[X3BOOODYX2012]

@Juxtaroberto

I don't, because that's the fashion, about morality, I don't think there's an immoral thing in the european/american society, as long as it's "natural" and being practiced by animals, and of course except what they don't desire, as such as killing and only sometimes raping, then it's ok, by the way, this word "pedophile", I tried to translate it in arabic, it didn't give the translation(kids lover), it said: GAY.

don't let me remind you, this act was moral in EU&US

[Juxtaroberto]

@X3BOOODYX2012 You have such a simplistic view of western moral values. Are you denying that Muhammad had a 9-year old wife? The evidence is incontrovertible.

[X3BOOODYX2012]

@Juxtaroberto

No, I'm not denying it, call him "pedophile" or what so ever you please, I don't have to remind ya, that in europe these days, were doing it as well, plus, I don't see something immoral, like GAYS and homosexuals! well, don't they have free wells? and we don't because we're MUSLIMS? shut up you filthy european faggot, what else you want to call us terrorists? yes we are, but we don't kill women and children like what you did in the 16th century and also NOW.

[Juxtaroberto]

@X3BOOODYX2012 Free will can only extend to the point where it DOESN'T encroach on someone else's free will and liberty. Gays can do whatever the fuck they want, it doesn't bother me. But pedophilia harms children psychologically, which is why it is a bad thing and we must speak out against it.

[X3BOOODYX2012]

@Juxtaroberto

HEY! he didn't marry her while she was one years old! he came first when she was SIX and HE said WAIT, and untill she got NINE once she DECIDED, it was ok. this is a confirmed hadeeth.

No do you know what we should speak against? the filthy dirty sex-maniac western society, that encourages all kinds of sex, you know you're kind of stupid, because even BIOLOGY you'll find that children at VERY young age are inrested in SEX.

plus, he MARRIED her, sex isn't necessary.

[Juxtaroberto]

@X3BOOODYX2012 Oh! Because that's so much better! He was sexually attracted to her when she was SIX FUCKING YEARS OLD, but thank fucking GOD he waited until she was nine! Oh, how merciful! How benevolent! He was a fucking PEDOPHILE. The reason we don't allow people under 18 to "consent" to having sex with people OVER 18 is because they do not have the mental capacity to do so! THAT'S why it's STILL considered RAPE! See, I can capitalize a bunch of random words, too.

[X3BOOODYX2012]

@Juxtaroberto

shut the fuck up you filthy asshole bastard, in your nation millions of children are illegally getting raped every day, fucking faggot, I know and you fuking know that this act is OK, if my prophet was gay, would you talk ill about him? you'll be a fucking homophobian, fucking bitch.

[Juxtaroberto]

@X3BOOODYX2012 And what exactly am I supposed to do about children being raped? It happens in your country too. Muhammad was one of those child rapists. Also, I don't care if you're gay or straight, if you molest children, you are the scum of the Earth and deserve death.

[X3BOOODYX2012]

@Juxtaroberto

oh look at you cheeky bastard, now you're trying to run away from the subject like an injured animal. I'm not talking with cowards...

[Juxtaroberto]

@X3BOOODYX2012 LMAO wtf are you talking about? YOU are the one who basically idolizes a man who raped a child! I condemn child molestation, and I believe people who rape children should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law (not Sharia law, we aren't iron age goat herders, you know), but I am not responsible for all the pedophiles in my country. I abhor them. I denounce them. You do not. You embrace one as your prophet.

[X3BOOODYX2012]

@Juxtaroberto

and here we go, the same freaking SAGA, first of all, define "RAPE" and then we're talking...

[Juxtaroberto]

@X3BOOODYX2012 So, you explain your prophet's pedophilia by engaging in an argument about semantics? Rape is having sex with someone who did not or cannot consent.

[X3BOOODYX2012]

@Juxtaroberto

and Aisha didn't want to you're saying? don't let me laugh.

and about this term: pedophilia, you can ask any biologist, or a doctor, an he'll tell that SEX is something that even CHILDREN seeks, haven't you heard about "child masturbation?" I did, and saw this infront of my eyes, they won't ejaculate, but it's normal, it's not just about testicles, what makes us follow this desire is a small part under the brain.

about "pedophila", this is only in the 21st century.

[Juxtaroberto]

@X3BOOODYX2012 A child cannot consent. Children also seek out candy and fast food and playing with matches and yet we keep them from those things and only later in life when they're brains are better developed do we allow them to consent to those things, if they want them. It's the same with sex. Any adult can take advantage of a child who's curious about sex, but now we understand the psychological effects that sort of thing has, so we make it illegal. You're still defending pedophilia.

[X3BOOODYX2012]

@Juxtaroberto

Good thing that you mentioned that, but why do we keep them away? to not become "bad people" in the society, I agree with that, but believe me, it's healthier for a child to do it than an adult, I still defend pedophilia because it's similar to what you defending, "homosexuality". keep bullshitting instead of looking for the stats about how much rape occurs within your nation, especially child rape.

by the way, you defined pedophilia as rape, while it's not.

[sepiasiren]

@X3BOOODYX2012 children aren't of the legal age to give consent, so yes, legally, it is rape. While in your warped mind it is okay to have sex with an undeveloped child whose body may not even be ready for sex in spite of their own curiosity, I think

anyone who cares for the emotional well being of child would at least wait till the age of legal consent. Homosexuality is not harmful to anyone, esp when performed between consenting ADULTS--no comparison at all.

[X3BOOODYX2012]

@sepiasiren

oh yeah, from biology to Nowadays democracy/hypocrisy.

Back in the day, (and I said that billions of times) it was acceptable in almost ALL societies(Europe is more pointed at), but today, you can say it's a FASION to have sex with an adult is more common, so from here, pedophilia is ok.

number two, he MARRIED her, thinking that marriage is just for sex is a sick ideology.

emotional? didn't you study biology? sexual attraction is listed under the organ of:hypothalamus.

[TheAutisticGuitarist]

@resincoatedlungs I support it too, even if the reason is *breaks into the trololol song*

[skyquake75]

Why don't these two do some research about the meaning of 'Cordova Initiative,' which is what this whole 'ground zero mosque' movement is called? Anybody with an IQ of 4 can see that it is a trophy for Radical Muslims(like the chapel in Cordova or The Dome of the Rock). It is not a benevolent outreach. These two are what Lenin called 'useful idiots,' defending the rights of terrorist-supporters.

Stay away from political issues. Stick to bashing Christians.

[SOAS007]

there is a mosque already In NY closer to ground zero. So what is the problem.!?

[Howetiz]

@SOAS007 I believe the "Ground zero mosque" they want/wanted to build was/is actually an "Islamic community center" that they are building on the site of their mosque that was damaged in the 9-11 attacks and was there before the WTC was built. I got this from a reliable source but would like to back it up (Maybe I'll call the islamic center). It is hard to sort out information on that subject due to the mountains of BS flying around about it..... but if it's true, all that BS for nothing?

[johnnywalker1974]

He claims to be a Libertarian, but doesn't believe folks can build on their property as they wish.

[TonyEvans96]

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[BlankPageEmperor1334]

You still make the Fred Phelps analogy because you're not very smart. Okay...

[urantivirus]

This man is right, but I do think they had every right to build where they did. There are lots of atheists defending Islam. They listen to the Muslims that cherry pick the Quran to make it look like a peaceful religion. They call atheists with an opposition to Islam bigots as if those atheists were against the Muslim people. But it's just like Christianity. There some parts that are peaceful, then there are some parts that say kill the infidel.

[jcisbell]

As an atheist, my comments may well be misconstrued as "tiptoeing" around Islam, but just as these two guys, my concern is the rampant violation of Muslim's civil rights - even to the point of physically attacking them.

[bermudaguy1]

The American constitution allows for freedom of religion....end of subject!!!!

[Graynumber]

@bermudaguy1 No one's saying you can't believe. But I bet that even you have not given one second of logical thought to god.

[bermudaguy1]

@Graynumber I'm not sure if I understand your point....I use to wonder which was the correct religion for me....western religions are scams or plain stupid, as much as I would like to believe. Religion has been well thought out in my life and I believe that they are all nonsence at best, picking on suckers to control. If, there was/is a god, he is beyond our ability to understand, let alone some idiot telling me what he wants...BS again!! Not thought about it?? I am God!

[Graynumber]

@bermudaguy1 Okay, kind of hard to follow but you were at least understandable. As I comprehend, you're atheist. So, more power to you.

[GuacamoleKun]

Every single thing Fred Phelps does is an attack on someone else! He's just not a good comparison to any other human being on the planet.

[ritchloui]

The AthiestExperience hosts both defend the Islamic community centre on the laudable principle that there is no Constitutionally supportable arguments against it. However, it is worth being aware why the date 9/11 was chosen for the attack and why this mosque is called Cordoba House. These are both clear POLITICAL references. Both relate to the Islamic objective of conquest; 9/11/1583 failure to take Vienna (and hence Europe) and 2nd, losing the Iberian Peninsular.

[psistarpsi80]

It's funny that liberal atheists are more libertarian than that guy. I think the proper analogy would b if RNC put a headquarters somewhere in OK City. I mean, Timmy McV would fit right in w/the tea party and all.

[hunkallgood73]

I have a feeling most conservatives who claim to be Atheists do so in order to have a good excuse not to have to give their money to a church. Im an Atheist btw

[stevethul1]

I love the "Transfer of Guilt", sounds to me like god blaming all of us for "Adam and Eve's" Smorgasbord...

Man Made god, Not, god Made Man - Believing in gods and religion is a like "One Step Forward and Three Steps Backwards"

[blackbat1339]

following that guys logic every christian church will be behind abortion clinic bombings, NO they wont, because not every church or person is out to do that,

overgeneralizing in that nature is harmful, but there is christian terrorist and islam terrorist ,but not every christian or follower of islam is a terrorist, but they exist, giving christianity and islam a bad name.

There is good and bad people of all religions and lack of beliefs, absolutes are not realistic, everything is a mix.

[chuckwagon1645]

@blackbat1339 Eh. Not so much. Religions give themselves bad names because they parade their faith around like it is a virtue to believe things that are not based on evidence and rational thought. That is the underlying issue. Religion does not serve any useful purpose to people. It keeps people reluctant to learn about science that conflicts with their beliefs and encourages the denial of marriage rights to homosexuals. These attitudes are EXPLICITLY endorsed by "holy" scriptures.

[Thelondonbadger]

Lol they built a mosque in pakistan thats only 400 000 000 blocks from ground zero!! Thats an in your face agenda lmao *facepalm

[sniped101]

most atheists are anarchist or libertarians. 

[MakoSharkX]

@sniped101 Factually wrong.

[MsMrNoface]

@sniped101 Obvious troll bait is obvious.

[nickymaz05]

I can understand why this show focuses more on christianity, being based in texas and a christian dominated nation and most of the hosts came from christianity. But I think the caller is wrong overall because I have heard guys like Hitchens, Dawkins and Harris slamming islam on a variety of fronts.

[ndelliott138]

All to often atheist who lean towards the hard right adopt the libertarian label like this guy, but i feel we simply believe that people should be allowed to do as they will as long as it doesn't infringe on others rights.

[ndelliott138]

I call myself a libertarian, but its more of an old school pragmatic liberal ideology. Leftist are too politically correct and dont often account for the realities of human nature (my opinion) and right wingers cater to the evangelicals for the built in voter base. So the libertarian label allows me to seperate myself from the two extremes. I think most libertarians are like me, we dont know whats good for everyone so individuals should be allowed as much freedom of choice as possible.

[gimmeliberty1]

I would've thought a libertarian would have a better understanding of property rights

[sarainreno30]

Great point about the mosk. So what, the Quran is just violent and far fetched as the bible, so I would say they are in good company. Every Muslim can't pay for one small extreme group just as every baptist doesn't protest funerals.

[melbyRick]

How come none of these fucking callers want to let the hosts talk for longer than three seconds?

[melbyRick]

Probably because Muslims will go nuts and try to kill you...

[n800064447]

The atheists aren't tiptoeing around islam, the leftists are. And often times atheists are leftists, which conflicts being 'pc' about religion and criticizing it. I'm an atheist leftist, but I don't agree with being pc about religion, and would not defend the mosque, as I would not defend the building of any religious temple (I wouldn't attack it, but I certainly would not defend it). It's like defending hate speech as free speech.

[modshroom]

@n800064447

no one is "tiptoeing" around islam.

americans are so fucking stupid.

[noeszigi]

@n800064447 just know im arguing with cristians and muslims they are both crazy !!!

[YY4Me133]

@n800064447 Atheists who defend religious liberty and freedom of speech support constitutional rights, not religion or "hate speech." We understand that if we allow the erosion of any constitutional rights, ours could be next. When we support freedom of religion we're also supporting freedom from religion. I think that "hate speech" laws that go beyond speech that advocates/incites violence are unconstitutional. Freedom of speech protects unpopular speech. Popular speech needs no protection.

[xTemplar1]

im 100% atheist but for me islam is much worse then christianity !

america watch a few years and u will C the problem with islam !

we in europe already know it !

they did undercovers in mosque and more then 70% of the mosque they are teaching that people who leave islam MUST DIE ! same with infidels and gay people !

islam is more evil then nazisme !

[homsarshat]

@xTemplar1 What's the solution though??

[depressedturtle]

@xTemplar1 Eh... maybe not. I

[MELISSA3536]

@xTemplar1 Your comment suggests that you have actually attended 70% of Mosques and know what they are teaching. Islam is no more violent than Christianity (the Bible is full of horrible behaviors) , my guess is Christianity is what you are most familiar with and therefore feel most comfortable with. It is not Islam that is evil but religion itself that corrupts mankind's thinking.

[AntitheistPOV]

@xTemplar1

Islam exactly what Christianity was 100+ years ago. It's just more noticable now because Western culture has evolved more rapidly and the Christians have been forced to keep up.

What any of that has to do with Nazism, I'm not sure.

[tommyXBOX360]

They are trying to build a Mosque near a place that was destroyed by Muslims, if it were good or bad moslims according to the Islam that doesnt matter because at least Islam is associated with the attack on the twin towers. Its rather painfully ironic isnt it, esp. because its called cordoba named after a mosque that was build on a destroyed Church, it was called the 'victory mosque'. If you are not seeing whats wrong with this...

[trufuknplaya]

I too am an athiest, and I have no problem with mosques in America, but personally think that downtown New York shouldn't be considered a private place. It is the seat of American culture, and nothing Islam (or Christian) should be allowed anywhere near it.

[Slagtheangry]

I'd say, it could be a neo-nazi group but if they own the property they can make a monument to genocide by a jewish synagogue.

[SuperTregs]

Super Face Palm at caller

[ricochet188]

@SuperTregs Multi super mega ultra face palm

[over18irish]

zzz...face-to-face or at least verbal discussion is infinitely better than youtube comments.

[MarcusEFN]

The bible calls heaven an eternal bliss, I don't care how blissful it is, It's eternal. You'll get used to it, And then you'll be fucking bored'' --Jim Jeffries

[MadMAn12gauge]

i do wish there is an afterlife and i go to such a hell....that would be perfact in my eyes and a heaven in its own right....i could not picture a place in the afterlife where confrontation doesnt exist...the only heaven i would want is the one where i dont exist anymore....to no longer be apart of conscience...as if i were not born...that is the ultimate heaven. in this life you can make life brighter, after tha.........t no...........you just make it darker like everyone else at death

[MadMAn12gauge]

my beliefs are origional...they take the form of a GOD, or at least one that does not fear confrontation of a god....heaven for me would be a hell...i have influenced people of this same dogma...."what type of heaven would you want without your loved ones there?" that question alone has power....to live an afterlife knowing your loved ones are doomed....thats not a heaven in my eyes...and only a coward would go to such a heaven without their loved ones

[sonykroket]

The caller does have a point though

The issue is, the type of muslim living in the the US is way different than the ones living in Europe. That may explain why Pat Condell, Richard Dawkins and many other including me are more vigilant towards islam.

And i do see a lot of atheists having a blind spot concerning islam.

I always wondered why that is

[MadMAn12gauge]

@sonykroket religion is nothing...it is an aceint belief passed down...it is obsolete....but the idea is still standing...and people still use a bad idea to justify their wrongs...i dont need such....itake responsibility for my actions and not let another take the blame...that is christianity...they are cowards, and have no idea of what being a true good person is...that is why they seek fantasy to pretend they can....but they face reality and get their asses kicked in

[richwfd2002]

@lightandbeautiful As a gay man, I just checked out your channel to see the "unpopular truth" about homosexuality, and all I found was talking points and rhetoric. There was nothing there to buttress your claim. Of course there are differences between hetero and homo attraction and the results of those 2 things. Most of my homo friends and I champion healthy hetero relationships ahd child rearing. What we do not support, is irresponsible procreation and indoctrination of those kids...cont'

[richwfd2002]

@lightandbeautiful What we also do not support is propaganda (like your post), arrogance masquerading as humilitiy ("faith"), lies (like your post), hypocrisy, hearsay-based belief and irresponsible procreation. Considering the "mountains" I have personally had to climb, partly as a result of liars like you, there just might be a certain nobility to our struggle and subsequent "victory".  Thanks for the help.

[TRYER25]

So because I am an Atheist, I am now "tiptoeing" on Islam and am preaching the word of "Allah or God"? That is some ironic bs right there.

[MadMAn12gauge]

it is sick to judge a person just because they are a muslim or w/e nonsense they believe, it is basically fuel and justification for people to feel RIGHT about discrimination, when you are acting no different than a religious persons justification to murder...

[NyxOOX]

I really have to agree with what Martin said about the "Christian wacko" idea here, and I can provide evidence. The guy (can't remember his name) who shot up the summercamp about a month ago in Norway, he was a right-wing Christian, yet when questioned about this, Rush Limbaugh, another right-wing Christian, denied that their religion was the same, which it is, and instead tried to cover the ass of his religion by declaring that the man was instead left-wing, and all liberals wanted to do that.

[PirateOfTheInternet]

I really disagree with what Matt's argument here.

I do think that Muslims are responsible for the crimes and agenda of other Muslims, because those actions are consistent with Islamic scripture. Unlike some things in the bible, it's not hard to take the Qur'an literally to justify torture and homicide. I think Muslims have a right to build mosques, but I don't blame people for being unhappy with MORE mosques being built. So what if there are already mosques?

[MadMAn12gauge]

@PirateOfTheInternet no....guilt by another persons actions that you never met would never hold up in court, nor does a person deserve such bigotry and mistreatment, could care less about their backbirth religion....with your logic you allmost make it seem ok for "sins of the father passed to the son" or that jesus christ's actions somehow effect people that were not around or even born

[PirateOfTheInternet]

@MadMAn12gauge I believe what I said was in agreeance with what you're saying now, but either of us may be misinterpreting.

I don't think Muslims who don't follow all the violence in Islamic scripture are guilty of the same crimes as a Muslim who follows the scripture to the letter. But I don't put a lot of blame on people who are against building mosques because it still allows the scripture of Islam to propagate and I think people can be judged based on the book they believe in.

[PirateOfTheInternet]

@MadMAn12gauge So no, I don't think Muslims shouldn't be allowed to erect a building, but I don't think it's a one-sided issue. I think people have good reason to be worried about the continuation of a religion based on bigotry and violence; even more so than Christianity.

[MadMAn12gauge]

@PirateOfTheInternet but religion is not the cause of violence it is the person committing the act on their own and using religion as a cowardly way to dodge responsibility...a person will be violent because they are violent personally, i dont see religion as a cause...i mean religion cant just up and kill someone by itself...it needs a twisted peice of garbage that is allready prone to be sick...like guns...needs a person to willingly pull the trigger

[sonykroket]

@MadMAn12gauge

Religion can make people feel justified to commit atrocities

[MadMAn12gauge]

@sonykroket anything can make people feel justified to commit crimes has nothing to do with religon, it is the sick person doing the act which is at fault

[sonykroket]

@MadMAn12gauge

A lot of things are done because of peoples religious beliefs.

[MadMAn12gauge]

@sonykroket you fail to see a bigger picture....people will do wrong to other people reguardless....most people want a reason to hurt others or to do them wrong...and not feel personal guilt...in my opinion that is weakness....

the STRONG take responsibility for their actions and are proud of them...for good or ill....the fact you are still alive is an insult to opposing beliefs if you dont have FEAR

[fujinmage]

religion is bad mkay....

[tret32]

These guys talk far too intelligently for their target audience to understand them.

[beastshawnee]

The caller misses the biggest point of all; he is being manipulated by the media, which is right wing Christian controlled. The media were in on the crime of 9/11, and continue the cover-up and the distraction. Not all of the media newscasters were in on it, most just read and played what they were told, but all of the "live tv" witnesses were media producers or those closely connected to them. The proof is in on computer generated images being shown over live tv. check my favorites for info

[DeadFishFactory]

An "in your face" would have been to build the mosque with a giant sign that read, "In Your Face".

[tisuisse]

I believe an in your face would have been Bin Laden launching paper planes at 9/11 victims familys.

[DoctorLipsh1ts]

@tisuisse ouch.

[Benchiladas]

a better fred phelps analogy is osama bin laden building a mosque near ground zero.

[PsychoticSnake]

@logoRH That's an extreme allegation. Do you have evidence for either?

There is a verse in Mark 10 (I think) that talks about Jesus touching children, but that's just me and my friend, a pair of teenagers, deliberately making it sound wrong. It's most likely Jesus blessing children with hands on head.

I am an atheist, by the way. I'm not reinterpreting the Bible to make it look nicer.

[pompousprick]

@yakult244 Could be, if you are doing these things to actively oppose Islam.

I know many Muslims that drink alcohol, and some that eat pork. They are not anti-theists by doing so.

Pork is also forbidden in the Bible, many Christians ignore or don't know this. They are not anti-theists.

Anti-theism is actively opposing Theism, be it a belief in God generally or a particular religion.

A Christian could be considered an anti-theist by actively opposing Islam.

[Serpico261]

@pompousprick "I know many Muslims that drink alcohol, and some that eat pork. They are not anti-theists by doing so"

then they are not muslims, simple as that. I mean they can call themselfs muslims, but they dont submit to the will of allah in a basic manner

[pompousprick]

@yakult244 I have been "outside of theism" all of my life, yet I am not an anti-theist.

Anyway, that is not my point. The caller suggests atheists are tiptoeing around Islam, inferring that atheists should be stomping on Islam, which fits the category of anti-theism not atheism.

[pompousprick]

The caller and both the hosts are confusing atheism with anti-theism.

[PACKyourSHITfolks420]

What the hell did he say at 6:15? That was funny.

[sharkjack]

@hempartist420 It's not like atheists can't be doucehbags, like Patrick who sued Ray Comfort for the atheists are fools bumpersicker clearly demonstrates, but when you are the most mistrusted minority in your own country you have to make sure you don't piss off the majority too much if you want a decent life. Christians on the other hand don't have to worry about that as atheists are such a small percentage of the population. Not believing other persons deserve to be tortured forever helps too.

[holio84]

I think this caller is the same nut that called himself a solipsist in earlier episodes .

[cincyblows]

I don't see Christians going out of their way to bash atheists, but I do see any number of atheists bashing the dignity of Christians. I thought atheists were supposed to be enlightened, but in fact they're acting like total douchebags.

[psycho3991]

@cincyblows trust me christians go out of there way to bash atheist fact of the matter is atheist come out as the doush bag becuz they talk back pretty sad huh?

[DARIUSCIRIUS]

i never thot thsi day will come ... im what i like to think of my self a free thinker... but guilt bye analogy is what you do guys the most and litteraly poor acusation about cristians all day long about how they did crusades and inquisition and stuff like that (horible pages of human history)

[DARIUSCIRIUS]

i never thot thsi day will come ... im what i like to think of my self a free thinker... but guilt bye analogy is what you do guys the most and litteraly poor acusation about cristians all day long about how they did crusades and inquisition and stuff like that (horible pages of human history)..

[somethingdiffereable]

I'm an atheist and I don't tiptoe around the muslim issue. I have friends some right here on youtube that are ex-muslims, live in Islamic countries and they don't tip-toe around the issue. I only attack Christians a little more because they are here and more vocal around here!

[Faroc90]

this debate is far more complicated then the caller knows. its about laws and equal rights and nothing else. If one has the right to do something then they are allowed to do as they please, as long as they are within the law. just because it is offensive to some (In the case of the Mosque the only offence is the guilt by association) a person cannot legally stop anybody from moving forward with their actions.

[Tobytrim]

Deservedly so - And I'm NOT teasing!!