Skeptic Bible Study: Jesus Hates Sex

[Vexille1983]

I once heard a Christian, being confronted by statements that there was no serious persecutions by the Emperor Nero, glibly responded that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". But virgin births, healing through prayer and resurrecting the dead are perfectly acceptable?!

[Spheate]

I just want you to know that when you believe, and are plagued with guilt over the videos you've made of you throwing Bibles, that God will forgive you. And when you take them down and wonder if you're forgivable after all of this, remember that Paul was forgiven because he did his in ignorance and unbelief. Remember that if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart and knows all things. One day when you're alone reading the words of Jesus, and it finally hits you, he will forgive you.

[Grizly031]

lets cut the crap, bible is bullshit,as all religions are. religions are opium for masses. it is a mean to control you who don't know how to think for your self. it is a mean to keep you in line for whatever they want because they know how to. though fear and false promises. thinking is hard,so you idiots believe in fairy tales and OBVIOUS bullshit.

[benabaxter]

Is sex a virtue?

[johnnythesailorman]

u kinda remind me of data from star trek

[DeistPaladin]

@johnnythesailorman You're not the first. I guess I could think of worse comparisons.

[BriFi13]

Castration is for pets.

[marinefrenzy]

No I'm not joking they ARE THE BIGGEST HYPOCRITES.

[marinefrenzy]

you know what, i'm done traversing these religious/debunking videos because I'm just fed up with these fucking religious freaks completely masturbating over their bible. You cannot reason with these fucking idiots. And then they judge you by saying your soul is tainted and shit. I THOUGHT JUDGEMENTALITY WAS WRONG? They are the biggest hypocrites to ever shit on this planet.

[marinefrenzy]

You can never reason with a blind follower of religion. It's just disturbing the lengths they will go to to bring the false comfort in their mind.

[PhoenixArmor]

You seem like a good person, just having trouble understanding, its ok, you need certain experiences to fully understand what is going on. From birth I have been able to see demons, only at night, just like Solomon, ive been trying to cure it for 8 years with meds. I am related to a Solomon. I have faced every form of evil in this world, up to the devil sitting on my chest at night, and I can tell you the only one who can help you is Jesus. I put myself in the open to help you. :)

[marinefrenzy]

@PhoenixArmor That's really disturbing how children are unfairly better than adults.

[marinefrenzy]

@PhoenixArmor I am skeptical however I will not diminish your claims of demons. This does not prove anything. What if the demons were forcibly converting you to Jesus and Jesus really is the antichrist, so then they left you alone once you converted? You need proof.

[PhoenixArmor]

@marinefrenzy we are born innocent, most begin to lose their innocence as young adults, I doubt anyone is as innocent as they were when they were a child, but we can try. Jesus says to accept heaven as a child. In this world there are 2 opposing forces, I have felt them both. God, Jesus and angels are the good side.

[marinefrenzy]

@PhoenixArmor That is not equal and therefore God is not treating everyone on the same level. This is discrimination and therefore Children are way more likely to go to heaven. Do you realize how stupid you sound? Define innocence. This is bullshit. Children are just as capable as adults to kill, you train them as early age as possible. Don't give me this innoncence bullshit, please.

[PhoenixArmor]

@marinefrenzy Not everyone is currently equal and if they are unequal it is based on their own bad choices. However everyone is given the same opportunity of redemption and salvation. Innocence is the only true power, you can salvage and cultivate it at any age.

[marinefrenzy]

@PhoenixArmor "everyone is given the same opportunity of redemption and salvation". Bye. Not talking to you.

[PhoenixArmor]

And Jesus was pretty clear on sex.

But from the beginning of creation, 'God made them male and female.Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife,and the two shall become one flesh.' So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate." - Mark 10:6-9

[PhoenixArmor]

Jesus was trying to communicate the idea that some men will not become one flesh with a woman, which is a loss of innocence, innocence has power in heaven, this is evident when Jesus tells His diciples that children are greatest in heaven.

[doireallyneed1]

Could an argument not be made regarding the usage of the term "Eunuch" as being figurative, rather than literal as TheMikerussian seems to be implying below? Do all English Bible versions use this wording?

[exposing31]

I should also add 90 % of Muslim women in the middle east have their clitoris either circumcised or completely cut off . They say it is so the woman does not have sex before marriage . They usually do this to girls between the ages of 3 - 12 years of age .

I believe this is mainly a middle eastern custom . Though I do know it is practiced in certain parts of Africa as well . I certainly hope American Muslims are not doing this non sense

[exposing31]

yes it is true the bible hates sex. in fact Jesus himself says it is good for a man to castrate himself. I mean no disrespect to anyone here . But yes it does honestly say that

Matthew

19:12

Eunuch is the word the bible uses

dictionary says

Eunuch

1 : a castrated man

2. a man or boy deprived of the testes or external genitals

[madeku]

please read the whole context instead of hand picking a verse to disect. You will see God encourages Sex within marriage. even not just for procreation..

and remember

6 "But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment."

[madeku]

that verse in first cor. says nothing about sex being bad. but merely like Paul, devoted his life to God, to be unhampered by the duties of a spouse. he said it's better to be single and devote your life to God. God's general commandment of be fruitful, etc. stands. but if he has a specific calling to a person to total service, like Paul, or even Jesus.. that's a different matter. defiled? check the original word, it may not be as bad as "defiled" in the english sense.

[iThinkz]

I see where you're coming from, but i think the idea was more about not being like animals; instead of falling to lust???

But i do think that the Bible is a load of bull-**** , and most of your points stand up to the test.

[debrandom]

For all those who claim that Deist Paladin isn't reading the bible in historical or textual context....If God is all powerful and knowing then why couldn't he have caused his holy words to be written in a way that modern man wouldn't need a history or theology degree in order to understand their true meaning? Even Christians fight about the correct interpretation of the Bible and accuse one another of not being a 'real' or 'true' Christian if they interpret the Bible wrong.

[ImaniTMisfit]

LOL this guy is funny as hell. Shit is like comedy.

[vipsamsam]

He clearly is assuming his own thoughts about the bible. Paul clearly say's why he decided not to marry, you dedicate your entire life to God, But he say's you should get marry in order to not get tempted by sin.

Everyone knows what happends when you keep having sex with all kinds of woman, you end up getting disgusting infections, unwanted babies, HIV. The bible has many verses where God is pleased when husband and wife, unite. I mean its obvious why to avoid sex before marriage.

[debrandom]

@vipsamsam, there are more options then having unprotected sex with as many people as possible or getting married. Just because a person does not wait until marriage to have their first sexual experience does not automatically mean that they will simply go from one annoymous sexual encounter to the next one.

[TheMikerussian]

"You assume this book is God's Word and therefore there must be a good reason for everything in it. You are far more likely than a non-believer to make assumptions. "

You assume the bible is a book of lies and are a skeptical non-believer and therefore there must be bad reason for everything in the it. You are far less likey to make assumptions if you read the Holy Scriptures by the context that they were written in.

[TheMikerussian]

I was making conlcusions on my statements as much as you were on your videos.

" I concluded, based on what was written"

Do you take everything literally(such as the parables of Christ) in the Bible? Everything should be taken in the context of the Church by which the Bible was written and declared by to understand it.

[TheMikerussian]

Rev. 14:4 In the OT, prostitution and adultery symbolize idolatry, and virginity signifies faithfulness to God. Thus, the 144,000 have kept themsleves pur from the idolatrous worship of the beast. Instead, they are faithful and follow the Lord wherever He goes (Ruth 1:16-18) as sheep follow a shepherd, unlike adulterous Israel (Hos. 3:1) These martyred faithful who love their lives even unto death are firstfruits offered to God from among humanity: the faithful remnant.

[DeistPaladin]

MikeRussian:

"In the OT, prostitution and adultery symbolize idolatry, and virginity signifies faithfulness to God."

A triple mental somersault, utilizing assumptions pulled out of the air with no sense of awkwardness or shame. BRAVO!

[TheMikerussian]

"A triple mental somersault, utilizing assumptions pulled out of the air "

Pulled out of air, nope pulled out of the understanding of the Holy Spirit, your misinterpreted versus are pulled out of air with no sense of understanding or taking it into context the way it was written.

[TheMikerussian]

1 Cor. 7: 8,9 states that it is wise to consider marriage rather than to insist upon the virtue of chasity and fighting a lsoing battle against sexual passion. Eunuchs are lifelong celibates, Jesus praises those who have made themselves eunuchs, that is, those who celiate by free choice and according to God's will for them. Jesus does not endorse mutilation but the putting away of wicked thoughts.

[DeistPaladin]

I'm always impressed by the mental gymnastics of Christian apologists.

I'm afraid I'm not so talented at selective reasoning. I'm forced to read what's actually there and not make any assumptions.

[TheMikerussian]

"I'm forced to read what's actually there and not make any assumptions."

But in order to understand the scripture, you must take it into context the way it was written, or else it is what you want it to be. I did not make any assumptions, I was just merely explaining your misinterpreations.

[TheMikerussian]

"I'm forced to read what's actually there and not make any assumptions."

It's not as simple as quoting scripture and moving on, becasue the assumptions you made may or may not be true (most cases they are not true). you actually have to understand and take the scripture that you are quoting into full context.

You did make assumptions such as the NT demonises all sex, that Paul hates women and gays, all sex is sinful etc.

[DeistPaladin]

I think you're confusing "assumptions" with "conclusions".

I've read the Bible as a unbiased non-believer. I concluded, based on what was written, that the Bible demonizes sex, Paul hates women and gays and all sex is sinful.

You assume this book is God's Word and therefore there must be a good reason for everything in it. You are far more likely than a non-believer to make assumptions.

[TheMikerussian]

I think your confusing conclusions with assumptions. what I stayed was merely an explaination of the scripture, you have to understand it correct, which is interpreting it in the context that it was written. The Holy Scriptures cannot be completely, truthfully understood unless they are understood within the context of the Church that produced, that declared them what they are. You assume the Bible is a lie and therefore there must be a bad reason for everything in it.

[shoogenboogen]

i take it you're a virgin?

[ImprovOblivion]

I just found you and I gotta say I am a fan. Thank you for your entertaining analyis that is all about telling the truth. I am a subscriber.

[lightfully]

Do you know anything about hermeneutics? Just get a class and then go back to the Bible...

[DeistPaladin]

Why do Christian apologists insist on using relatively obscure words like "hermeneutics" and "exegesis" instead of more commonly used words like "interpretation" or "explanation"?

It's almost like they're trying to create an illusion that theology is a legimate academic pursuit.

If you have an argument to offer, present it. If you casually dismiss me for my lack of formal theology training, that's called an "ad hominem".

[alemar1122]

Hello John, I enjoy your videos and wanted to briefly thank you for showing me the name of my belief system...that being said i was wondering if you could give me your basis for the statement paul hated all women, as that is new to me and would love to review it myself if at all possible

[DeistPaladin]

I'm not sure if I've uploaded my video on sexism in the Bible. You can review the passages in chapter 7, last section of my online book. Link is off to the side.

[MrSolitaryOne]

To this lesson of skeptic bible study.... Amen.

[NWOSupporter2012]

Sexual repression is one of the easiest ways to control people,especially theocracies in Roman Empire. If you are going to choose a religion go for Satanism, it actually lets you live and you do not have to try to convert people,unless it is proper to do so. I am not a Satanist, but I have read the Satanic bible and it is far superior then the bible. I do not suggest you fall for the rituals,but the rest is ok.

[SupraPenis]

I'm sure you're also aware that Christianity's rival religion was the cult of Mithra. A famous statue depicts Mithra killing the Bull while stepping on the bulls genitals to spill the precious "blood". I cannot hand over evidence to link these ideas, but I encourage a follow up. They are related I promise. There is more to the stories than people know. One last idea to think about. Jesus died at 33 (there are 33 sections to the spine). He was crucified on Golgotha (place of skull). Resurrection.

[SupraPenis]

Hello Mr. Paladin. I'm glad you've mentioned this aspect of religion, I've been studying it for a number of years. Lack of space prevents a good discussion, however, since I'm sure we can both agree that religions spring from neighboring thoughts and regional philosophy, are you familiar with the Yogic term

"Ojas"? To facilitate enlightenment or "Christ consciousness", this Kundalini based force is accumulated through celibacy and purity of being to direct it up and store it in the "skull"...

[clitoris999999]

I am the clitoris

[bonangusacdc]

All religions play on the premise that we should be disgusted by our own sexuality.

[NWOSupporter2012]

Not Satanism, and some other eastern religions.

[hostroute]

The reason why early Christians didn't like sex was because they idolised virginity as being virtuous and assumed the world was going to end soon anyway.

[NonStampCollector]

I love it, as always.

[TruthSurge]

Jesus loved sex. Even the earliest apostles knew this and said he'd be coming soon.  Coming in the clouds. Coming here and there. coming EVERYWHERE. Jesus IS coming! hahahahha

[1deanwdaniel]

awesome!!!!!

[waltermh111]

I did love the start, the way he said lets talk sex. I like how light entertainment these videos are to put a smile on my face for more then just intellectual reasons

[1deanwdaniel]

no sex in heaven o hell no .

i rather go to hell so i can listen to hip hop and get my dick sucked.lol

by a women by the way!!!

[bignastydragon]

you only get oral in hell, and hip hop. damn, where do they play heavy metal and have REAL sex?

oral is good for foreplay, remember to return the favour. ;p

[1deanwdaniel]

o thats here on earth...ahahha.

and i don't 69. we would have to 68 and i would just owe her one

[limegreensquid]

Hip hop plays in heaven, cuz all those crappy rappy losers pray to the christian god ... one reason i will never want to be in heaven...

[1deanwdaniel]

good point they all do say first i'd like to think god. for letting me sell crack and for letting me fuck all those hoe's sure i bet they get a free pass to heaven....lol

[KamratSvenneryd]

Let's talk about sex ;)

[anglaismoyen]

damn, i rated you four. i meant to click 5.

[sexyfunklova]

It's great to hear a Deist's point of view!

[Surhotchaperchlorome]

So "unix" in this context means castrate?

[saxmachine123]

eunuchs. not unix.

[Surhotchaperchlorome]

Ooooooooooooh.

So THAT'S how you pronounce that word.

And what it means...dear go-ad....

[saxmachine123]

hahaha

[DeletedDelusion]

So, you pronounce it like unique?

Oh dear.

The airport of Zürich Switzerland is called Unique (it's operated by a company with this name), it is located next to the town of Kloten which means testicles in the Netherlands.

Somehow we Swiss don't have a lucky hand when it comes to choose a name.

[limegreensquid]

Well, the Canadian province, Newfoundland, can trump that - there's a small community there called "Dildo" - and i am not lying, you can find it on maps!

[DeletedDelusion]

LOL

Not bad, not bad.

When I was in the army I met a guy who's family name was Bitsch, it's pronounced without the "s", there is a even a village called like that.

The old national soccer stadion was called Wankdorf before they renamed it in Swiss arena. I'm sure the Brits always had a good laugh when they played there.

This reminds me, once I introduce a co-worker to a visitor from England, the good mans name was Vogt, the other guy had a hard time not to burst out in laughter.

[DeletedDelusion]

because we pronance a v like an f.

[Ibis333]

The pronunciation is quite different: you-nic not you-neek. Unique is something usually seen as good, so your airport's okay.

[Surhotchaperchlorome]

Maybe Paul wanted a hermaphrodite? :P

[bhxinfected]

Well said John. Good info.

[jmsimpson11]

ahahah your bible must be so battered and bruised.

[codexbiohazard]

Well I am fucked!

[caligulaincarnate]

I'm the first! hey can you do one regarding how christianity effects the christians themselves? I want to but my computer sucks.