ein fake ist das nicht, allerdings ist dieser t3 mit 1,5 tonnen sand beladen bei 100 Stundenkilometern gegen eine Wand gerast, danach sieht auch ein Audi Q7 ähnlich aus...
@Pentaquin Aber das is schon echt heftig... Zumal es ja eine Pritsche ist, wieso hat da bei der Konstruktion niemand drüber nachgedacht was passiert wenn der voll beladen nen Frontalcrash baut? oO Hoffe mal das hat sich mittlerweile geändert! :S
Dieser Bus ist nicht voll beladen, er ist massiv überladen.
Wie gesagt, soweit ich weiß ist dieser Crash nicht herbegeführt wurden um das Auto zu testen, denn bei diesen extremen Bedingen verabschiedet sich jeder Lieferwegen dieser Klasse, sondern um die Kapazitäten und die Leistungsgrenze der Testanlage auszutesten.
Denn niemand beläd seinen VW Bus so dermaßen über und fährt dann mit 100 km/h gegen eine wand, es sei denn er ist suizidgefährdet.
weil dieser vw t3 nicht voll beladen, sondern massiv überbeladen ist.
davon abgesehen sieht man bei genauerem anschauen das das auto bereits ziemlich rostig und auch leicht beschädigt ist, somit kann man einen normalen crashtest auch ausschließen. soweit ich weiß wurde hier nur die maschinenanlage für die crashtests getestet, der bus in diesem video war das "versuchskaninchen" für extreme bedingungen
its been on internets for ages, its not an actual crash test of course, you can clearly see that whole back was loaded with stuff, it must have weighted a million kilograms..
no pusieron dummies porque no querian perderlos, ya sabian que esta porqueria de lata quedaba vuelta añicos, en otro video vi que era un carro hecho en china, malo como todo lo que hacen e imitan ellos
mit 100 sachen gegen ne massive beton wand die wie zu sehen keinen mm nachgibt? schaut euch mal ein paar richtige t3 crashtests an das ding ist ein panzer
It is an old, rusty VOLKSWAGEN T3. The rate was 80 km/h with 1 ton weight on the loading area. The test 1999 made by the General German Automobile Association the initialization of their new Crash system in Landsberg.
Es ist ein alter, rostiger VW T3. Die Geschwindigkeit war 80 km/h mit 1 Tonne Gewicht auf der Ladefläche. Der Test wurde 1999 von dem ADAC gemacht zur Eröffnung ihrer neuen Crash-Anlage in Landsberg. Sie wollten dabei die Leistungen ihrer Anlage demonstrieren.
It is a old, rusty VW T3. Speed was 80 km/h with 1 ton of weight in the back. Test was made by the ADAC, at the opening of their new testing facility in 1999 in Landsberg, Germany. They wanted to demonstrate the capability of the facility. I know that, because I worked there.
@ETBzocka it's not loaded at all (you can clarely see this, unless you have 0% eye sight), you don't know what speed this is and the car is not rusty..... i don't think you know the truth dude
@Pampabebei Put it on 480p and you can see there is what looks like a massive pile of sand in the back, it clearly isnt new if you look on the higher resoloution , the wall does not crush like the ones in crash tests (to simulate another car) and there are no dummies. I think he could be right, but i don't know for sure.
@ETBzocka other vids show little damage to the frame/body... the T3 does not absorb the impact but all the force is put on the driver/passengers and have probably killed them in the past. That is why newer cars have 'crumple zones'
I have already seen this video somewhere in the Internet. The one guy there said that's not the real VW T3, it's only the Chinese copy of that car. I know that this one look like almost the same as T3 but it's hard to believe that VW has made this shit. If you still don't believe me check out the real crash test of T3, there's lots of on YT. [sorry for my English]
It's not chinese!! it's simply a highspeed crash test not 50 km/h the forces acting on a frame dammatically raise with every km you go faster imagine if the cell suffers at 50 km/h how bad it can suffer if you go 100 km/ or even worse 120 what i think the speed of this test should be
no, this test was taken 20yr ago..and at that time it is a brand new VW..but somehow they keep it as a secret..cause they don't want public to know at that time how shitty they are in making cars.
Die bei VW haben's begriffen (damals): alles zum Schutze des Motors! xD
Deswegen haben teure Sportwagen den Motor auch in der MItte; damit der Fahrer im Falle eines Unfalles das wertvolle Aggregat schützt. Kein Scherz! ;-)
naja der hat ne ladefläche nun stell dir mal vor der hat noch scheiss schweres zeugs geladen das dann auch noch nach vorne drückt...^^ kommst dann von beiden richtungen
(aber ich möcht ma den fiat 500 (der alte) bei nem crash test sehen xD
It was at alot more than 50km/h, somewhere theres a video of one being crashed at 70km/h, results were pretty good. As you say, I remember this was a test of an old T3 at high speed and did have ballast, assume inside?.Funny how most people see it and don't realise its alot faster than 50km/h. Easy to fool most people...
This one was made in china. Its very crappy. check out other german vw t3, they are realy safe
idealu5 1 month ago
bye life
diepak112 2 months ago
WTF, how fast was it??
TheCarWrecker 2 months ago
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A fraud video:
iHS: less fatalities, (with SAAB 900 and VOLVO 240), from any other car for years 1984-1988.
FOLKSAM: highest safety grade + 40% for the year 2001 and previous.
SYNCRO: even better for technical reasons in terms of passive and active safety.
So t3 is not simply good. It is between the best!
MrHellenicvanagon 2 months ago
Das ist ein Chinesischer Fake Wagen, änder doch mal die Überschrift!
Metli94 3 months ago
@Metli94 Yes, German cars has always been known to be safe, thats not a german car for sure, if the speed wasnt like 160 ! :-)
kyrkbymannen 3 months ago
die jugos im stauraum hinten überleben gg
hoelbigel 3 months ago
World's best Volkswagen
karakaya25 3 months ago
Not a real VW!!!
freethoughtmusic 6 months ago 2
Now this guys, is safety!
alitator 7 months ago
5 gwiazdek EURO NCAP za ochrone paki
wojtek1991edek 7 months ago
Chyba wiedzieli jaki będzie efekt bo manekinów niema
wojtek1991edek 7 months ago
After the hippy bus
the bieber bus XD
TOKIOHOTEL1000000 7 months ago
The Ultimate Driving Machine. Literally "ultimate" :D
vivvpprof 7 months ago
did he live?
TheSxeHunter 7 months ago
4 stars from Ęuro N.C.A.P :D
GWORKSSTUFF 8 months ago
Auć
kazik1234321 8 months ago
Gdzie jest ten Volksvagen, nie widać go.
Where is this Volksvagen, I can't see it.
Borsuk939 9 months ago
Alle tot!
nukesforce 9 months ago
This is a chinese version fo the vehicle i think
TheBattlefieldFan 9 months ago
WTF oO also sowas geht ja mal garnicht xD
XTheDarkRonX 9 months ago
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German strengh...lol!
lazakas 10 months ago
It's not T3. It's a Chinese clone ;).
b3ryLs44b 10 months ago
@b3ryLs44b its a 1985 VW T3 doka or Vanagon Transporter
MekOlll 9 months ago
wer da drin siehts hat die arschkarte
ferdi123ish 11 months ago
This sure looks different from toeh other T3 crash video. I wonder what speed this crash was at and how much weight was in the back under that tarp.
Wolfgang1224 11 months ago
that has got to bed the safest car on the road
allturbo16 11 months ago
schlimmer als trabi
TheNrwskyrock 1 year ago
die werden schon geeahnt haben warum sie keine teuren dummys reingesetzt haben^^
cyberboy233 1 year ago
DAS AUTO !
XD
faramir1974 1 year ago 25
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@faramir1974
IHS: less fatalities, (with SAAB 900 and VOLVO 240), from any other car for years 1984-1988.
FOLKSAM: highest safety grade + 40% for the year 2001 and previous.
SYNCRO: even better for technical reasons in terms of passive and active safety.
So t3 is not simply good. It is between the best!
MrHellenicvanagon 9 months ago
havyyy !
LastUnicornNew 1 year ago
Oh sh*t!
novvas 1 year ago
mort
nazdravanul18 1 year ago
LOL they should call that car the POPULATION CONTROLLER
hummurabi2010 1 year ago 4
it was loaded with more than 1 ton of weight.what would you accept?it was atest for the crashing machine,and NOT for the car.
MegaTallicaFTW97 1 year ago
@MegaTallicaFTW97 So what you really mean is to never load the truck with cargo and we or the Chinese will be safe. Right??
4shacks1house 11 months ago
they could use it as a trailer.
nugasescparola 1 year ago
@nugasescparola haha. vid should be renamed. how to convert a t3 wedge to a trailer
stephenhortonUK 1 year ago
ouch.....
joedawg112 1 year ago
ebben tuti kinyekkenik , még a bolha is!
Zolieee17 1 year ago
So möchte ich nicht sterben.
mOviestarthw12 1 year ago
T3.rar
take23221 1 year ago 57
that's like an instant death
Spy7roop 1 year ago
I love airbags...
elukaaes97 1 year ago
fuuck!
gni1 1 year ago
this car is made in china
jimprzem 1 year ago 3
@jimprzem
yes.this is a "replika T3"
6N2Gabi 1 year ago
this car made in china
jimprzem 1 year ago
That was chinesse copy of T3.
unknown8691 1 year ago
that'll buff right out lol
schifano01 1 year ago
Wow
Krzysq123 1 year ago
nie wieder steige ich in einen T3 ein! :D auch wenns nach fake aussieht.
4TaktRollerNeinDanke 1 year ago
@4TaktRollerNeinDanke
ein fake ist das nicht, allerdings ist dieser t3 mit 1,5 tonnen sand beladen bei 100 Stundenkilometern gegen eine Wand gerast, danach sieht auch ein Audi Q7 ähnlich aus...
Pentaquin 1 year ago
@Pentaquin Aber das is schon echt heftig... Zumal es ja eine Pritsche ist, wieso hat da bei der Konstruktion niemand drüber nachgedacht was passiert wenn der voll beladen nen Frontalcrash baut? oO Hoffe mal das hat sich mittlerweile geändert! :S
4TaktRollerNeinDanke 1 year ago
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@4TaktRollerNeinDanke
Dieser Bus ist nicht voll beladen, er ist massiv überladen.
Wie gesagt, soweit ich weiß ist dieser Crash nicht herbegeführt wurden um das Auto zu testen, denn bei diesen extremen Bedingen verabschiedet sich jeder Lieferwegen dieser Klasse, sondern um die Kapazitäten und die Leistungsgrenze der Testanlage auszutesten.
Denn niemand beläd seinen VW Bus so dermaßen über und fährt dann mit 100 km/h gegen eine wand, es sei denn er ist suizidgefährdet.
Pentaquin 1 year ago
@4TaktRollerNeinDanke
weil dieser vw t3 nicht voll beladen, sondern massiv überbeladen ist.
davon abgesehen sieht man bei genauerem anschauen das das auto bereits ziemlich rostig und auch leicht beschädigt ist, somit kann man einen normalen crashtest auch ausschließen. soweit ich weiß wurde hier nur die maschinenanlage für die crashtests getestet, der bus in diesem video war das "versuchskaninchen" für extreme bedingungen
Pentaquin 1 year ago
łot de fak:P
fisior01 1 year ago
this is funny and sad
Nerdnessful 1 year ago
è una bara su 4 ruote peggio della fiat 600
eddymicrocar95 1 year ago
I saw a VW T3 (called Vanagon where I live) crashed like this. Some idiot must have put a ton of stuff in the back.
boogioogigoof 1 year ago
Talk about your crumple zone!
SinclairisCool 1 year ago
Best for death penalty! Wakes up! Good idea. Hello USA! In agreement! xDDD
Morgenkroete 1 year ago
The Car is "halfway gone"
MrRicky6796 1 year ago
If somebody drives this, then crash, there is 99% of the driver dying. (LOL)
asimolive 1 year ago
hey die ladung is ja heile, wen kümmert der rest :D
JakobRiga 1 year ago
aua das wird eng
Darkgnomi 1 year ago
Humm you must be supperman to be still alive in that van in a crash
jerarri 1 year ago
boah was!? ich fahr nie mehr in eienm t3 mit!
DaBoogie049 1 year ago
FUCK !!! :O
Adam18Lucas 1 year ago
its been on internets for ages, its not an actual crash test of course, you can clearly see that whole back was loaded with stuff, it must have weighted a million kilograms..
KingKuboush 1 year ago
Bara mobile
alexU287 1 year ago
ideal voor drugsdealers!
hiphopuithethart 1 year ago
where are the dummies? in the trunk??
eldiablo1987 1 year ago
@eldiablo1987 Can't blame them. :D
Mds9608 1 year ago
shit!
alanoskull 1 year ago
watch?v=Iwa9vdq8dvw&feature=related
This is real cash test.
csirke3 1 year ago
He Dead! : )
GBJCP4x4 1 year ago
great
irgendsoeintyp94 1 year ago
1 zillion percent dead
Rarrin9378 1 year ago
wow he must have like 10.000 pounds in the back or one fat lady lol
prayb4udie 1 year ago
se pasan de verga!
norpollo 1 year ago
no pusieron dummies porque no querian perderlos, ya sabian que esta porqueria de lata quedaba vuelta añicos, en otro video vi que era un carro hecho en china, malo como todo lo que hacen e imitan ellos
fredyarango 1 year ago
@ unboxingcar
welches auto?! xD
GameSpirit2008 1 year ago
looks like a coke can being crushed
jjm5746 1 year ago 3
deadlie :D
LaiLaiSERIA5 1 year ago
hahaha what a piece of shit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
michaldeville 1 year ago
why did they invent that crap
nazmi123100 1 year ago
Das glaub ich jetzt nicht.
dd2oc 1 year ago
Hell no... that is a fuckin chinese copy from fuckin china. Check out the real VW T3 Crashtest at Youtube
gonz81bs 1 year ago
Das Auto xD
UNBOXINGCAR 1 year ago
i say dont drive this car!!!
sandergbg 1 year ago
well they are probably already dead!
sandergbg 1 year ago
fail
tuvufareitaliano 1 year ago
is ja voll krass da haste echt pech
ThePatrick10001 1 year ago
wenigstens hater ne knautschzone
LordBaeda 1 year ago
o kurwa!!
hempgru1122 1 year ago
WINRAR WINS....
hahahahahahaha
Mofado25 1 year ago
hahahahaha... amazing xD
supertimi4 1 year ago
has been compressed
crackelvd 1 year ago
This is the one of Chinese population control policies.
mynameisyamada 1 year ago
Man the driver got the car rammed up his ass!
Danish4ever77 1 year ago
mit 100 sachen gegen ne massive beton wand die wie zu sehen keinen mm nachgibt? schaut euch mal ein paar richtige t3 crashtests an das ding ist ein panzer
holzgas219 1 year ago
Wenn ich mir überlege das wir mit soeiner karre immer pflastern gefahren sind....... Da wirde ein ganz anders..... Da bleibt ja keiner am leben...
Simsonnator 1 year ago
da bekommt "isch mach disch platt" ne ganz neue Bedeutung ^^
EnjoyFirefighting 1 year ago
The BEST Car EVER!
radejovic5 1 year ago 2
you'll die in that car
SonicTheHedgehog4Fan 1 year ago
It is an old, rusty VOLKSWAGEN T3. The rate was 80 km/h with 1 ton weight on the loading area. The test 1999 made by the General German Automobile Association the initialization of their new Crash system in Landsberg.
Futurismatechtoniac 1 year ago 2
that mite hurt a bit
PS3DUDE290 1 year ago
same video different title saying it was a chinese car
suarneduj 1 year ago
Das ist kein Auto. Das is Akkordeon! )))
sas2r 1 year ago 31
tod mehr nicht nur tod
nileinaction 1 year ago
SIMMENTHALL
GaetanoLiternum 2 years ago
WHAT DA HELL IZ IT MADE OF PAPER!!!!!!!
mrrafel 2 years ago
Es ist ein alter, rostiger VW T3. Die Geschwindigkeit war 80 km/h mit 1 Tonne Gewicht auf der Ladefläche. Der Test wurde 1999 von dem ADAC gemacht zur Eröffnung ihrer neuen Crash-Anlage in Landsberg. Sie wollten dabei die Leistungen ihrer Anlage demonstrieren.
alexauto321 2 years ago
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It is a old, rusty VW T3. Speed was 80 km/h with 1 ton of weight in the back. Test was made by the ADAC, at the opening of their new testing facility in 1999 in Landsberg, Germany. They wanted to demonstrate the capability of the facility. I know that, because I worked there.
alexauto321 2 years ago
somebody dead
willigohard 2 years ago
Ballastmaterial ist aber nicht zu sehen. Wenn die Plane am Ende des Videos hochgeht , sieht man es.
Ist halt ne alte Karre die mit XXX km/h vor die Wand knallt.
ticabi 2 years ago
OOOOH MY.....
copali 2 years ago
Dieser t3 ist getürkt!!!
Hinten wurde beton beladen und der haubtstabilisator vorne wurde entfernt deshalb geht bei dem unfall auch "nur" die fahrerkabiene kaputt!!!
felixkill 2 years ago
es kommt denke ich mal vor das hinten schwere ladung drin ist :D
powaa4u 2 years ago
Oh mein Gott, da will ich nicht drinsitzen
Lufthansajumbo 2 years ago
omg...wtf??
MsAS09 2 years ago
yeaaaaaa.....nice
yugogti 2 years ago
nunca mais vou dirigir uma kombi
cd1306 2 years ago
safety fail
Ironhide167 2 years ago 3
1) vw bus was rusty as can be
2) vw bus was crashing at 60mph/100kph
3) vw bus was loaded with 1,5t of sand
4) wonder about the absence of dummies? it was a facility test for the wall
check some real test videos of the t3, the t3 is not unsafe at all, maybe on of the safest car for the 80's, believe it or not i know the truth
ETBzocka 2 years ago 46
@ETBzocka it's not loaded at all (you can clarely see this, unless you have 0% eye sight), you don't know what speed this is and the car is not rusty..... i don't think you know the truth dude
Pampabebei 1 year ago
@Pampabebei Put it on 480p and you can see there is what looks like a massive pile of sand in the back, it clearly isnt new if you look on the higher resoloution , the wall does not crush like the ones in crash tests (to simulate another car) and there are no dummies. I think he could be right, but i don't know for sure.
jcadlols 1 year ago
@ETBzocka woher willst du wisen das der mit 1,5 tonnen sand beladen ist ?
MrTrissi97 1 year ago
@ETBzocka (5 they weakend the frame by cutting it
10yroldcarlover 1 year ago
@ETBzocka 5) that wasn't a VW bus. That's a Chinese replica of the vw bus.
ilia93 1 year ago
@ilia93 all chinese replicas suck!
MusicMini11 1 year ago
@ETBzocka ive seen the same thing, a lot of features went into that thing for safety.
didn't they re-enforce the corners of the van part as to stop it collapsing in a rollover?
pedekiller 1 year ago
@ETBzocka other vids show little damage to the frame/body... the T3 does not absorb the impact but all the force is put on the driver/passengers and have probably killed them in the past. That is why newer cars have 'crumple zones'
Grifkylian 1 year ago
@ETBzocka "maybe on of the safest car for the 80's"
And now it's 2010...
TroyConvers5000 1 year ago
now that's gona hurt
razva10 2 years ago
What r u guys talking abot, of course anyone would live that! If theu were part of the cargo ;)
Kazka13 2 years ago 2
it will not hirt me i will be dead
openshot 2 years ago
dis is not right!dis is stupid
MrLowmaster 2 years ago
Looks safe...
Not.
Eltuner 2 years ago 2
I have already seen this video somewhere in the Internet. The one guy there said that's not the real VW T3, it's only the Chinese copy of that car. I know that this one look like almost the same as T3 but it's hard to believe that VW has made this shit. If you still don't believe me check out the real crash test of T3, there's lots of on YT. [sorry for my English]
maxior234 2 years ago 4
It's not chinese!! it's simply a highspeed crash test not 50 km/h the forces acting on a frame dammatically raise with every km you go faster imagine if the cell suffers at 50 km/h how bad it can suffer if you go 100 km/ or even worse 120 what i think the speed of this test should be
sebbbing 2 years ago 2
it...doesn't look that good... :-s
Vladesculos 2 years ago
居住空間を潰して荷物を守る・・・
bulldog002bulldog 2 years ago
Erst einmal ist das kein "BUS" sondern eine Doppelkabine!!! zweitens hatte die "Doka" Gewichte auf der Ladefläche!
Drittens wurde mit dem Test eine neue Teststrecke "eingeführt"!!!
dokabernd 2 years ago
That will buff out.
svc1978 2 years ago
@svc: hahahaha made my afternoon.
TheBarefootServant 2 years ago
that's funny!
drummernezzy 2 years ago
Wann rafft ihr endlich, dass das kein VW ist, sondern ein billiger China-Nachbau! Schaut doch mal den hinterreifen, wie neu der ist!
gonz81bs 2 years ago
ahahahahahaahahahhaa
pajser9 2 years ago
idiots says that chinese car are worse..i guess they never see this one of finest german vehicle..
wyunaboy 2 years ago
wtf? this car is older then 20years! i dont want to know how worse chinese car were for 20years, u know and yes,
CHINESE CAR IS SHIT lol
Fiinniinnii 2 years ago
no, this test was taken 20yr ago..and at that time it is a brand new VW..but somehow they keep it as a secret..cause they don't want public to know at that time how shitty they are in making cars.
wyunaboy 2 years ago
for 20years ago this german model/mark was probably better then any other chinese mark
Fiinniinnii 2 years ago
Now you have a nice little trailer!
tomcatfranks 2 years ago
kill the driver save the gargo
Artist334 2 years ago 5
i think the crush zone could be a little smaller... lol
richardjburke 2 years ago 2
Die bei VW haben's begriffen (damals): alles zum Schutze des Motors! xD
Deswegen haben teure Sportwagen den Motor auch in der MItte; damit der Fahrer im Falle eines Unfalles das wertvolle Aggregat schützt. Kein Scherz! ;-)
DeiMuddaSeiMudda 2 years ago
I would say it's got a -5 Star Crash Rating. VW = Very Waisted!
kiwismx5 2 years ago
the cargo is safe, so its all good
dmelkumo 2 years ago 39
HAHAHAHA und wir hatten 15 jahre einen T3 (kein Doka)
nusscreme 2 years ago
Dead as fuck !!!
Lvduggo69 2 years ago
damn!
mehrows 2 years ago
crashtest.....**
XsidoXmitXderXmaskeX 2 years ago
oh mein gott da hatt ja ne coladose nen besseren chrashtest.........
XsidoXmitXderXmaskeX 2 years ago
naja der hat ne ladefläche nun stell dir mal vor der hat noch scheiss schweres zeugs geladen das dann auch noch nach vorne drückt...^^ kommst dann von beiden richtungen
(aber ich möcht ma den fiat 500 (der alte) bei nem crash test sehen xD
nusscreme 2 years ago
O Boże ! miazga z blachą niewsiadam do tego gówna więcej
Matd8e2 2 years ago
That looks really bad... but this test must have been with a lot of load and with more than 50km/h, right?
schwabbel123 2 years ago
It was at alot more than 50km/h, somewhere theres a video of one being crashed at 70km/h, results were pretty good. As you say, I remember this was a test of an old T3 at high speed and did have ballast, assume inside?.Funny how most people see it and don't realise its alot faster than 50km/h. Easy to fool most people...
bunning63 2 years ago
ja pierdole a ja tym jechalem Oo
patologia1111 2 years ago
der sieht zwar aus wie ein T3...ist aber keiner.
das ist der crashtest von einem in China produzierter Nachbau eines T3.
Bekanntlich sind ja die Chinesen super Produktdiebe bzw. fälscher.
Also ist dieser Mythos, dass der T3 eines der sichersten Transporter war, gerettet=)
Raendel710 2 years ago
hast du mehr Daten zu dem Nachbau
Luk93t 2 years ago
ne soweit nicht eigentlich....
Raendel710 2 years ago
at least you won't have to work the next day......
TheTwelfthDoctor 2 years ago 5
T3.rar
appiusssss 2 years ago 2
Haaaa!
naterally1 2 years ago
I guess that it had to be loaded much, but it looks (@ :09 till the end) that the back is empty???
Or is this crash test made at more than 64Km/h?
grafli 2 years ago
Der T3 galt als sicherster transporter damals das ist fake oder mit ewig viel Ladung... Wir fahren selber einen als 2. Wagen
Basti1860muenchen 2 years ago 3
wir auch!
ETBzocka 2 years ago
dude watch the second cabine you see the sandsacks there and in the front
ETBzocka 2 years ago
Even boxier than it was designed to be
Keijz74 2 years ago
5 stars euroncap
43447 2 years ago 4