It's Just Business...right? A Paradigm Shift Toward Conscious Business Models

[Shory22]

I think that the problem with the world is that we have tend to forget about history repeating it self. You would think that with all of the technological advances that we have now things would be different. You would think as a society would have enlighten ourselves and grown. I think the way that things could change is if business would start thinking in a home town mind of thinking. I think this would work if we could think of a way to take greed out of the equation.

[DEPanswers]

If there was less of us it could be done so easily

[dragonflywhisperer1]

Thank you for sharing this thought provoking video. I hope it creates change in people's thought processes.

[2008Sameoldfitup]

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[erickdircks]

Nice! Thank you very much for Sharing!!!!!

[StandUp555]

Well said .... 100%

[Alyseal]

Umm. "Companies" and "Corporations" are not always the same thing. You really dont know of which you speak. You might want to actually learn about the form and what it really does, and why it is used, if you want to begin a discussion about it.

[AwakenSafely]

@Alyseal hi :-) I've started several of my own over the years and at least two are still in operation. But please educate us... Plus, you're missing the point of this discussion, aren't you?

[Alyseal]

@AwakenSafely Started a few corporations? or companies? All businesses are not corporate in form. Im not sure why this isnt the point of the conversation, you spent a fair amount of time on the video attempting to educate the audience on the corporate form, but you were actually conflating the corporate form with businesses in general. All business forms to not behave unethically. The corporate form has famously been compared to a psychopath in its behavior.

[AwakenSafely]

@Alyseal ok...let's hit the "so what" button here :-) (and I'm not just being a smart-ass) So What? If you have something to share, no need to argue with me. Just spit it out! Tell us what you know--or at least what you think. we're all listening. The floor is yours

[Alyseal]

@AwakenSafely Well, "so what" is, you need to identify the problem. There is a structural problem with corporations that FORCES that form to behave like a sociopath. Business itself is not a problem, but, when you put a sociopath into a competitive system, a zero sum game, you skew the game itself in such a way that it forces anyone who wants to become more competitive to begin to also act more sociopathic. (The tragedy of the commons is one example of how the actions of some cause .......

[AwakenSafely]

@Alyseal excellent. Thank you for that!

[Alyseal]

@AwakenSafely the actions of all to change out of economic necessity. Further, there is a HUMAN problem. For example, if someone sees that doctors make a decent living, but that individual decides that "Hey, I want to make that kind of money, but I dont want to invest the time to learn the trade" and begins to practice medicine and harms people because they are inept, we dont say there is a problem with the practice of medicine itself, we acknowledge that that persons behavior as an ..........

[Alyseal]

@AwakenSafely individual is problematic. THAT person, as an individual, is avaricious, and ruthless, and willing to harm others to make a profit for themselves. To really deal with the problem that you are attributing to "business" you need to sort out which is which. There is no "blanket" solution. Some business forms are sociopathic by design. Placed in a competitive market, they drive all players who want to survive into greater and greater sociopathy simply to stay competitive.

[Alyseal]

@AwakenSafely Lastly, some individual humans have a sociopathic bent which is internal and not related to business at all. Although it will express itself in their business dealings. Problem with creating a sociopathic FORM, problem with forcing others to compete with sociopaths rather than eliminate/punish them, (which is what humans naturally do) and problem with a percentage of humans who lean that way on their own. Note, no problem with "business" itself.

[Alyseal]

@AwakenSafely Many in business even in these conditions are "pro social" and attempt to be fair and do not ruthlessly do "anything for a buck." Allowing sociopathic forms to compete in the market place legally generally drives them out of business. A tragedy of the commons example. If three businesses are positioned around a lake, and one of them is sociopathic and dumps its waste directly into the lake, but the other two are "pro social" and treat their wastewater, the "cheater" will have....

[Alyseal]

@AwakenSafely lower costs. These lower costs will allow them to price lower than the "good" guys, and if nothing happens, he will drive them out of business. So, they either adopt the practice of also cheating, or, they "die." Its a simplified example, but in real life, you can look at Walmart profiting from labor in countries with few worker protections, or other corporations who move to locations with weak environmental laws. You kill the guys who are playing fair if you allow "cheating. "

[AwakenSafely]

@Alyseal interesting...I experienced exactly this situation in my mortgage business. Precisely this. Obviously, this was a problem which had global participation and the scenario was mind-bogglingly multi-faceted. But you just described the eventual demise of one of the enterprises I've helped to start in my day....

[Alyseal]

@AwakenSafely You can also create LAWS to deal with sociopaths, and humans do. Both for individuals, and for business. Although ALL laws perform a "regulatory" function, when they are just for individuals, we just say "law" and when they are for businesses, they are called "regulations." They act the same, they limit what one can and cannot do legally. To deal with the problem of the sociopathic FORM corporations there were many regulations in place, and corporations were DESIGNED to....

[Alyseal]

@AwakenSafely be taxed at a higher rate. That was intended to make them LESS competitive. (To balance out the advantage they got from being sociopathic, and to provide revenue to help deal with the ramifications of their actions) So when you hear corporations whining about how unfair it is they are taxed more than individuals, remember, they are so by design to help keep the market balanced enough that other individuals and business forms have some prayer of competing.

[Alyseal]

@AwakenSafely You are asking "what do we do about it?" but how could one possibly solve a problem, ANY problem, if you dont know what that problem really is? This is an exciting time, and a lot of people have worked tirelessly, and risked a lot to get us here. There is a lot at stake. Im very glad you want to have the discussion, my only complaint if you will is that its pretty important you dont mislead people as to what the problem is. You would be working against the movement if you do.

[AwakenSafely]

@Alyseal ahhh.... I begin to see (maybe a little bit) what's in your craw. You somehow think I resist OWS? Or something? You seem intelligent but you've picked someone to argue with who really isn't invested in a particular movement. I'm deeply interested in what humanity-at-large is up to right now, but I couldn't care less about semantics. Having said that, I'm glad you're in the conversation. Realize that you're among friends and come here with an open hand. I'm ready to listen.

[Alyseal]

@AwakenSafely no, I dont think you resist it. I dont think you care about it at all other than to use it for discussion. I think you can unintentionally harm it by misinforming people of a key distinction they really really need to understand right now. If you really care about humanity, you would not want to misinform people about something that is placing their democracy at serious peril. And their lives, really, because people are losing their homes medical care, and livelihoods.

[Alyseal]

@AwakenSafely "Companies" do not all act unethically. Mostly because in various business forms, the owners of that company are fully liable for any actions taken by that company. The corporate form is different in many ways, one of which is, it shields the owners of the corporation, the shareholders, from personal liability. A shareholder can only lose the value of their shares. Someone injured by the corporation cannot come after their personal assets to compensate them for their injury.

[Alyseal]

@AwakenSafely Corporation shield the owners from personal liability from the actions of the corporation. This lack of liability acts as a disincentive for shareholders to care about what the corporation does, ethically, as long as the corporation can profit from it. There are many other reasons why the corporate form behaves so psychopathically, all related to its specific construction. My main concern here, is that the people really understand the problem.

[AwakenSafely]

@Alyseal I appreciate this insight--really. I think we are saying similar things but you have become all worked up over semantics. Perhaps you are saying I haven't been precise enough? If that's the case, you're probably right :-) I do these videos straight from my heart and try to keep them brief. They are kindling for the fire--you're helping out by adding larger "fact logs". Thank you!

[Alyseal]

@AwakenSafely Well, I dont mean to be nit picky, but it really is pretty crucial for all of our sake that we see the problem for what it really is. It is our collective misunderstanding of what corporations are, what they do, combined with deliberate propagandizing by those corporations to appear to be "good guys" that has us in this situation. They have done and are doing horrible things to people in poor nations. We do NOT want them to take total control in the US.  I promise you that.

[Alyseal]

@AwakenSafely because only in seeing what the problem is is there any chance of solving it. Its difficult to do in the character limits of these reply blocks. This movement going on right now is of enormous importance to humanity. I would hate to see it harmed unwittingly because of misinformation. OWS is NOT an anti business movement. Its an anti corporate influence over politics movement.

[AwakenSafely]

@Alyseal hhmmmm.... that's very quotable: "OWS is NOT an anti-business movement. It's an anti-corporate-influence-over-­politics movement." well said. If it's true, then that's a very worthy goal.

[Alyseal]

@AwakenSafely "If it's true, then that's a very worthy goal." It IS true. But, understand, the media is corporate owned. Their interests are not the movements interests or YOUR interests. Which is why Im being a stickler for details here. They have tried to first black the movement out, and when we forced it into public awareness via social media, they are now trying to skew the message to alienate people. This is a serious high stakes game here. Corporations have been systematically.....

[Alyseal]

@AwakenSafely ..and slowly gaining control of our government, through lobbying, the "revolving door," and corporate personhood. Its not an exaggeration to say a coup is being carried out, slowly, economically, in the US. It is of critical importance that we stop the corporate takeover of the US government. Im sure, understanding their sociopathic nature now, you can guess why that is the case. Its incredibly foolish to allow sociopaths who view you as competitors to take over your government.

[rythmful]

So loving this important conversation & your insightful considerations

Reflections of our value system...floating to surface . Oppurtunities to consciously re-create our appreciation & Value our world & it's abundance...exciting : ) *** Great points & way Friend *** Thank-you Jacob,

[AwakenSafely]

@rythmful really great to be in conversation with you! thanks for being so quick to get involved. We are called to bring all parts of ourselves (individual & collective) into whole-ness, you know?

As you say...this IS an exciting time!

[AJCTB]

Look up #TalismanicIdols and watch their documentaries such as #Kymatica

Also, read David Wilcock's The Source Field Investigations

[AwakenSafely]

@AJCTB thank you. I've watched some of those documentaries (including Kymatica). David Wilcock always fascinates me, too. Glad to have you in conversation here

[AwakenSafely]

it will be fun to engage @OutofBoxInsight on this one...I know she and her partner have some wonderful insights on how this can all be accomplished....

[PatriotsUnite2010]

@AwakenSafely

Excellent Insight and Presentation. I suggest that you research early corporations such as the Massachusetts Bay Colony and specifically the East India Company, both of which were commissioned by Royal License.

Modern Corporations are Hybrids of the same Principle, in that The State can Authorize the Creation of "Persons" - perhaps that isn't quite as "Legal" as one might think.

Legislation can certainly modify these Legal Entities - but I think you're point goes beyond that... 5*

[AwakenSafely]

@PatriotsUnite2010 thank you! yes...I've been looking into all of this. As you say, there are many smudgy areas around the edges of most of this stuff. Fascinating and most people just go to work every day, you know? :-)

I appreciate you watching and joining the conversation

[DustyWiyrick]

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