fuckin GREAT point i never looked at it that way and i analize things pretty close but never saw this perspective and after watching this video i agree TOTALLY thank you
@MrDelight666 Actually this video is not fake. In fact, its quite real. The Mozart thing was a reference to the film Amadeus, which came out in 1984 and co-starred F. Murray Abraham as a highly stylized Antonio Salieri who conspires to kill Mozart through over work. If you weren't devoting all your time to being a grammatically incompetent troll you might have known that and thought "Oh- a humorous comment that is in keeping with the generally sarcastic nature of the video itself. How droll!"
...of human sexuality, and the grave mental problems that arise from it are plain. One who uses it can't be a truly happy person, even if it brings moments of pleasure. It is impossible to use pornography and at the same time, love the person you are watching doing degrading things to themselves and to others.
@4848613 Once again you assholes are content to speak for every single person on the entire planet. I'm quite aware of what I need to be happy, thank you, and I unlike you I have enough respect for the performers in porn to trust that they know what they are doing and are enjoying it. Go look down your nose from your ivory tower somewhere else, anonymous troll.
And why should they go through so much suffering, you ask? "They shouldn't have gotten involved in the first place". But we should have compassion on everyone, do you judge the homeless person, telling him or her that it's their fault? Everybody makes mistakes in life and pornstars could be fleeing difficult family situations, not knowing other ways out, so I think you are wrong to judge them if you say "serves them right".
Pornography is unhealthy and is a gross misrepresentation
@4848613 I never said "they shouldn't have gotten involved in the first place" nor is that what I'm arguing. Shelley Lubben's portrayal of the porn industry is largely fictionalized and most of her one time supporters have now come over to our side because they're tired of being treated like shit be her in the name of hallucinatory lunacy. And you can read Eros Empire for my opinion on the idea of being "insensitive."
This video is insensitive to the incredible suffering that pornographic actors go through. To show that many people in the entertainment industry have died in simliar ways only shows that there's a real problem with the entertainment industry too. But adding those bits about Abraham Lincoln, Mozart and others from complete other time periods, I don't see the point... Shelley Lubben's video shows how high the death RATE of porn stars is, much higher than others I would say.
And u, among this whole insanity, u make this vid, 'cuz this is what u had to say.THIS, among all the things that are happening, is actually bothering you.That a LOT of ex- porn stars felt the need to say sth about their experience and try to protect others.U're pathetic dude.try a new novel.let's call it:Diary.It's gonna make a hell of a study case.
What about John Holmes? Dead from A.I.D.S. and directly related to his life in the adult"entertainment" industry. Most likely from making gay/bi porn before he became a big(pun fully intended) star.
@seniorsparky45 He was already a big star before he started making gay porn. Its generally suspected that he got it either from being used to interrogate prisoners while incarcerated or from a female co-star who got HIV from a dentist. Either way, you're talking about a time before anyone really knew what AIDS was and before the industry was equipped to deal with it.
Wow, I'm supposed to be surprised that hedonistic people are going to do fun things that put their health at risk. Being hedonistic preceded the porn industry, and to take away the industry would likely lead them to something else that gives their pants the happies.
Thank you Shelly for teaching me that instead of helping people with a problem, I should operate on gut-reactions and take away their source of pleasure, but not the source of the problem.
Wow, I'm supposed to be surprised that hedonistic people are going to do fun things that put their health at risk. Being hedonistic preceded the porn industry, and to take away the industry would likely lead them to something else that gives their pants the happies.
Thank you Shelly for teaching me that instead of helping people with a problem, I should operate on gut-reactions and take away their source of pleasure, but not the source of the problem.
Let's say a rock star dies from overdose, an actor drunk himself to death, would you classify those deaths as related to music star lifestyle or just random death not linked to the situation the person was in? I think you'd say it's more or less related and caused by the enviroment, so same with porn, it's not like they died or were killed on set, but porn ruined they lifes, relationships, caused depression, and in some (imo undeniable) way cased most of this
@LethalDozePL The lifestyle is something they chose to get involved in themselves, not the industry that films them having sex. If porn caused depression, ruined their relationships, etc, then that's their problem, not the industry's.
yes people die from overdose, DUI, suicides, etc and it's most likely caused by depression and other emotional problems created by the enviroment they're in. But the points is, it's a lot common in PORN.
Ok, you showed OTHER people who died in similar situation, BUT SO WHAT? it doesnt prove anything!! the points is what many per 10000 die in such situations in different industries, and in porn there are more death than in music or film industry
don't you think that them being in pornbiz makes them more depressed and vunelabre to drugs, alcohol, makes them have guns for protection as they most probably meet a lot of shady people in the industry?
@LethalDozePL No I don't. The industry isn't that shady if you deal with the right people. And I'll tell you right now that "come on" arguments don't work on me.
@jordanowen42 I would tend to disagree with one thing : It doesn't really matter WHO deal with. Porn is always shady.It thrives in the darker side of life.It's the bastard stepchild of the film industry(not unlike pro wrestling and sports), and in both, people tend to enhance themselves more,do more drugs, and die younger than in their "legitimate" counterparts. Hollywood has always been known to eat its own young.In the porn side of Hollywood, it just seems more profound.
@themitch1966 Shows what you know. There are companies in porn that do exceptional business practices and your inability to recognize them doesn't mean they don't exist. Your cynicism is not a love of humanity.
@jordanowen42 Having a pretty public face doesn't mean that you're not still operating in the shadows.One wonders: are you a big porn advocate who keeps the lotion comapnies in business? Or are you a secret front for one the Porn houses? No,let me guess-You're just a concerned citizen who TOTALLY believes in the 1st Amendment.
@jordanowen42 Corparate shill is not an elavation. It's what I usually wipe off my shoe. Oh, I know. . .you must be a follower of porno hack Michael Whiteacre!!
@themitch1966 MIchael Whiteacre is a colleague of mine and we've collaborated on several projects. He's quite talented, actually. For instance, he would never put yellow text on an orange background.
They took drugs and lived recklessly half committing suicide because they could no longer look at themselves in the mirror sad but what can someone expect from this kind of lifestyle
How the fuck can you blame porn for getting sideswiped in a car? That makes NO FUCKING SENSE!!! but then again it's Shelley Lubben we are talking about here.
@discoverytime1 suicide, drugs, alcohol and other related deaths are the results of the wrong decisions of individuals, not the industries they were associated with. Shelley's point was a failed appeal to emotion and the illogic of it was what I highlighted in my video: that by her rationale we should shut down an industry any time a person dies unnaturally, even if their death had nothing to do with the actual industry.
@armatulo Wow really, you speak of how degrading something is and pin the arrogance card on my forehead!?! It is probably safe to say you are still bitter because someone chose porn over you and/or you couldn't keep up with someones porn driven fantasies so now you look down your nose at everyone who enjoys porn or participates in them. Im done having this pointless conversation with you. Try not to judge peoples likes and dislikes so much, someone may fire back...
@MRMUSICALITY999 Man you are one sick puppy. You watch to much porn and all the ideas you get in your head are porn dictated. My life is actually pretty saddled and I completely don't fall into the depressed/bitter category. But i do have a view on what's taking place these days. I am glad you're done having this conversation because frankly like I already mentioned there is no pleasure in talking to arrogant people who fap' to porn all day long.
@MRMUSICALITY999 Youtube is just one site. I judge by your way of thinking not by where you're at. And since you're so intelligent and educated and also got very nice spelling I thank you for your wise suggestions 'dude'. And if you watch and fap' to porn, and advocate it so vigorously at least be a man about it and don't try to sneak your way out of it with smart-ass sentences like "I'm on youtube". You like it, you watch it and enjoy it, fine, this is your position your right.
If a porn star has killed themselves because of porn, It is not the industry that did it. It is the oppressive , bible thumping zealots that do their best to spread hate and crush self esteem. Marginalizing porn stars to a class of evil people who dont belong. Heck I'd wanna kill myself too.
I see where your coming from. I think tho ppl r already educated in the dangers of leading a risky lifestyle. Free time and lots of money always has its dangers and I think many porn stars may already have had drink or drug problems before they were involved in porn. And the money is going to be tempting, where else is an uneducated, young good looking adult gna b making thousands a week? I think it is worth ex porn stars educating young ppl on the industry tho but its here 2 stay regardless.
watch "blue room" with cody lane. they "play by the rules" you mentioned above. i watch as much porn as the next, but i'd have to be blind not to see that it messes up those involved.
@mellowfacemarsh Watched it. I would recommend going to bobbistarr d o t c o m and looking at- i think- the second of her email response videos where she talks about shooting a similar scene. Believe it or not, some people are okay with that. What rules are you referring to?
the total arbitary-ness of this makes your point clearly and cleverly. i don't necessarily agree with shelly lubben's stand but i can't justify it either as the persons in her video were all adults, free to make their own decisions. any untimely death is tragic however, and should be respected.
One more point to make on the subject at hand: I wouldn't place porn in the same position as music, poetry, sports and etc. It has nothing in common with those industries and activities. Because while music, sports, poetry and other normal things enrich and develop a man a part from making money on his expanse, porn degrades both its viewers and those who participate in the production of those movies. Your arguments from all angles are simply ridicules.
@armatulo Money is not exchanged at someone's expense. It is the abstract value that is exchanged for the concrete value of the seller's goods and services. It is up to the buyer to decide what will enrich their lives, not someone else to do it for them. Believe it or not, there are many people out there that consider professional sex to be fun, rewarding, and life affirming and I know quite a few of them. Your inability to understand that does not change reality.
@armatulo AND SO IS YOUR SPELLING!!! (i.e. ridicules) My fantasies are my fantasies and if someone wants to think less of me for that then guess what, they are just as hell-bound as I am on the account of the whole "thou shalt not judge" thing. If that is the case then we should ban Rap, Pop, Horror movies, Sci FI, and Action movies because they all depict images of violence, murder, sex, and other things that are deemed immoral. Porn and safe sex go hand in hand (no pun intended)...
@MRMUSICALITY999 When someone talks about another's spelling during an argument it is a sure sign they have nothing substantial to bring as a counter argument. English is not my native language, it aint even a second language but a third, so i am allowed to have some spelling/grammar mistakes. As for banning everything, no need in such extremes. But I would remove some rap and other things from TV/internet if it were up to me. So fortunately for you it aint. Enjoy your porn in the mean time.
@armatulo I could care less about how many languages you know, that is irrelevant. However, if you are going to throw your opinion around and not expect people to throw theirs back at you then you are sadly mistaken. As for not having a substantial argument, REALLY!?! The most poignant statement you've made was "Enjoy your porn." which was pleasant, non judgemental and will eliminate any negative feedback, especially if you have issues with spelling in so many different languages :-)
@MRMUSICALITY999 I am happy that you're pleased with yourself. Arrogance is another sign that you don't have much to contribute to a conversation. As far as my opinion goes, I wouldn't mind much if you had a little dignity when you're talking to others but your manner of speech is disrespectful, which is why I don't care much for what you have to say. To sad that because of folks like you this industry thrives. It is quite scary how much our society has degraded because of it in the last decades
@armatulo Wow really, you speak of how degrading something is and pin the arrogance card on my forehead!?! It is probably safe to say you are still bitter because someone choose porn over you and/or you couldn't keep up with someones porn driven fantasies so now you look down your nose at everyone who enjoys porn or participates in them. Im done having this pointless conversation with you. Try not to judge peoples likes and dislikes so much, someone may fire back...
The deaths you bring up in your video are directly related to porn. Drugs and alcohol and suicides are a result of emotional deterioration of the person, it is not done just because. I personally know a few women that did this for a living and they all went through this crap and some still take antidepressants. You like porn? You want to advocate porn? Good for you. But every jerk can understand that what you see in those films can not have a healthy effect on the performers.
@armatulo So.... a porn star suffers emotional deterioration and kills themselves and its because of porn but a rock star doesn't? You don't think that Kurt Cobain's suicide was the result of emotional deterioration? Just because you see sex as something inherently negative and wrong doesn't give you the right to decide how other people feel about the world around them. And if that weren't enough, you're into Buddhism- the religion that has millions of people in the east living in total shit!
@armatulo , excellent point.Jordanowen42, before i even bothered to comment I checked your age to make sure I wasn't wasting time with a horny teenager.75% -at least- of female porn-stars were sexually abused as kids.About 30-50% for the male ones.This is translated to mental disorders, low self esteem and many many symptoms such as drug abuse and self-destructive behavior.Of course porn industry is linked.U know nothing about recruiting actors?They are predators for such sufferers
jordanowen42, I really find it difficult to understand why would smn bother to make a response-vid like yours saying the stuff u said, esp aging 28 yrs old.Well...unless u're on a mission, u really are in self-conflict concerning porn, reacting so intensely, 'cuz u feel like smn's blaming u and u just want to continue watch porn,but no-one to have to say sth about it.Well guess what.The moment u know, u are an accomplice.Trashing these people into low-life-no-goods will get u nowhere
@ioandes Not sure what this whole "self conflict" is, but a lot of people accuse me of having it. I'm a novelist, I have a book coming out on the subject of the porn industry and in the course of my research I made a lot of really good friends within the industry that I strive to protect from scum like you.
@jordanowen42 , hi hi hi!U'd be hilarious if u weren't dangerous.So what's your point after all?People like me shouldn't be opposed to porn industry because...because...hmmmm...really...what's your point after all?I used to think like you, like this is a matter of freedom and making your own decisions, but then i did some research and was absolutely disgusted.So i had a reason.What's yours?U still haven't answered.Why are u so eager and passionate to stand by the global porn-industry?
Oh!Are we playing the "I'm important" game?I'm a therapist, my job is to understand people's thinking, feeling and acting.And I care!This is not a game to me.It's not a"oo!let's upload a vid making impression!"U jerk...They dress 18years old like school girls, making them have sex with a dozen guys, feeding them pills, without condoms, defining that they'll wear Pampers by 30.Pedophilia is increasing for the assholes to make money
@ioandes Actually 45% of people in porn are healthy well adjusted individuals, 31% are MENSA members, 27% are members of Columbia Record Club, 91% are right handed 53% are the children of albino midgets from North Dakota, 94% are bipedal and 100% are not effected by unverifiable statistics.
half the people in this video died as a result of the lifestyle they lived. bon scott lived a 'rock and roll' lifestyle. kurt cobain killed himself because he didn't want to turn out to be pete townsend.he believed he 'sold out' hispunk ideals so he shot himself. rock hudson died of aids as a resut of his lifestyle.lincoln and jfk took a risk for political ideals. porn culture is ridden with drugs, std's, physical abuse and emotional trauma. porn damages people.
@beardsofpraise Okay, slow person, here's the obvious message that everyone else got but was lost on you: all but one of the people in Shelley Lubben's video died not as a result of being in porn but of the lifestyle choices that they made of which porn played no part. As someone who actually knows how porn works rather than a Lubben apostle like you, I can tell you that drugs are not allowed on set, all physical acts are agreed upon before hand, and the STD screening is world class.
These nasty people turn into parasites, draining the medical coffers due to std's & AIDs, also, ruining their bodies to the extent that they are worn out from drugs & other filth. When they can no longer work at ANY job, they panhandle & go on welfare, steal from law abiding people. No wonder they're "spent" & suicidal !
Drug and alcohol use is directly linked to the industry. Porn performers use drugs and drink to escape the degredation they suffer on the job. Add to this the STD's and physical injuries from having over sized objects stuffed into ones body orifaces, Porn does indeed kill. BTW, Your rock stars usually watch porn and also have thier occupational hazards as well.
@BernieEOD Obviously another Lubbenite with no idea of how the industry works. If you feel degraded from doing porn and need to escape into booze and drugs then you have no business being in porn in the first place. Also, despite what Lubben and her drones would have you think, the AIM healthcare clinic is one of the best STD prevention forces on the planet and is studied the world over for the quality control they provide. And you can train your body to accept "over sized objects." U FAIL!
@jordanowen42 You are telling those who were there what is and is not happening. AIM is a cover up organization which lost its license to operate. Even AIM admits that the industry is producing rectal hemorage, STD's in places where it normally doesn't happen, and other mutilations. Your word against one who has been there? I'll take Shelly's word over yours and chose not to spend my money on killing women.
@BernieEOD Shelley wasn't there long enough to even register with most people. AIM is now back up and running as a privately owned organization. So you'll rely on AIM's claims when it comes to the negatives but not when it comes to the positives? Poppycock. You don't seem to know who I am. I know a VAST number of people in the business and am going to be appearing in the documentary the Devil and Shelley Lubben, which will feature many current and former porn performers that disagree w/Shel
@jordanowen42 You are telling those who were there what is and is not happening. AIM is a cover up organization which lost its license to operate. Even AIM admits that the industry is producing rectal hemorage, STD's in places where it normally doesn't happen, and other mutilations. Your word against one who has been there? I'll take Shelly's word over yours and chose not to spend my money on killing women.
@jordanowen42 The pron industry has only one goal. To sucker men out of their money. Porn is as addicting as any hard drug. An NFL player ended up putting over $100,000 into the G string of strippers. When men allow themselves to be suckered like this, school clothes dont get bout, car payments are not made, even homes are lost. On the other end, the industry kills their people. The memorial video is a warning about what happens to those who choose to enter this dark world.
@BernieEOD I'm well aware of what you in your misguided la-la land of a brain think it was supposed to be, but the fact of the matter is that only one of those deaths actually had anything to do with the process of making pornography. Now you can stomp your little fists and go red in the face all you want, but the fact of the matter is that if those men lost everything to porn then they FUCKING DESERVED TO LOOSE IT! Let the miscreants with no self control be suckered and perish.
Respond to this video...Shelly Luben simply offers a way out of this deathsyle. Many answer. Some of them who answered and left the deatstyle were probably once one of your favorite performers.
@BernieEOD Actually very few if any answer. Most of the people in the industry regard Shelley Lubben as an annoyance at best and a cretin at worst. There's no hope for you- don't write to me again.
Bravo sir, BRA-fucking-VO. I watched the video by pink cross or whatever they want to call their weak conservative pink panty fest organization. "we hope this has touched you in a very profound way and you will stop watching porn" haha. sure, ill get right on that and throw all my porn away. You made a great point, loved the end where you said i hope you stop listening to music and watching movies etc.........well done good sir.
There should be a Club for old men who want to adopt broken down porn stars. We can clean them up and take care of their kids. Make decent women out of them. Do you think they would stray or cheat on us afterward?
@TheYaom "Degrading some ho?" contradiction! And if you'd take the time to look at the films of Paul Thomas or Brand Armstrong, you'd know that American porn has plot, acting and romance as well.
F. Murray Abraham. A distinguished actor of film and television fame, but few people realize that he was also a time traveler and a murderer. lol thanks, I got a good laugh out of that.
@jordanowen42 M.J. everybody else he puts a descent photo. For M.J he puts a cartoon with a piece of nose. Saying "michael died of something in 2009. There are people who have done worse among the faces that were shown. And the cocksucka didn't mess them up in his vid. Insultive, limp-dick bastard.
@ganzocribo I didn't know "insultive" was a word. For the record I think Thriller and Bad are two of the most important albums ever recorded and Michael Jackson was a musical genius. That said, he was a fruit loop in his personal life. It is possible to appreciate one but not the other. But Michael wasn't the only one- you failed to notice the levity in the statement about Mozart.
@jordanowen42 great video by the way(see my comment). obviously thie ganzocribo takes himself too seriously. It was a joke, and a very funny one. I was born in 1979 and michael jackson was the most famous man on the planet when i was a kid. I loved his music, thriller etc, he was amazing. but like you said, when a guy is that famous and never has any women and wants to hang around kids all day, hes a fruit loop. enough said.
but but but... all those people, in your video and the one to which you're responding, died because someone had sex somewhere while someone else may have been able to see/hear/smell it happening >.<
@stratusmind This just made me laugh SO hard that I snorted. :someone has sex somewhere while someone else may have been able to see/hear/smell it happening."
Hahahaha, yeah, I had to type it all out over again, it was that funny. Thanks :)
On the Pink Cross Myspace page they have a similar list of dead Playboy models which includes MARILYN MONROE. Surely it can't be refuted, Marilyn Monroe died due to complications resulting from posing naked for Playboy.
Paton died from breaking his spine in a fender bender. I don't know what to do with that. Anyway I don't understand now what the point is. To me it's obvious it's usually bad for the people involved. Outlawing it is stupid because it does not work. That does not help anyone. That's beside the legal arguments against it. But if the question is if it's bad then that can be proven.
Well, that's because current day music is of the devil and should not be tollerated. Instead, we should listen to what the taliban has to say and follow their examples (not allowed to listen to music at all).
Or we could live like mormons. We should reflect on it. Still it's sad to have people die on drug abuse.
Hey, the music industry *made* Michael Jackson a pedophile and plastic surgery addict and lead to his premature demise! Are you shilling for THE INDUSTRY? watch?v=zva7soRYZ8s
"I think Nursery Rhymes should be included here too. Afterall, Humpty Dumpty fell of that wall. Or was he really pushed? We'll never know."
Oh, sure we're supposed to believe that ALL the Kings Horses* and All the Kings Men couldn't put him back together again. What I wanna know is why King Cole opened an restaraunt the specialized in King Sized Omelette's right after the incident!
*Note= Yes, of course, the King's Horses were in on it.
The comments from "Christians" on that video are more disturbing than the misleading material itself. Jamie Gillis (who made over 400 porn films) died of melanoma in February at the age of 66 - will Lubben add him to her tally?
The death of Mozart is incredibly wrong, and due to ignorance. Mozart was an 18th century composer. He died on Dec 5, 1791, and he was not murdered by anybody. He died of Illness.
This is why everybody should be very skeptical about anything they watch or read on the internet.
Sorry, I've seen some frightful things on youtube, and I really can't be sure at this point anymore. I just expect to most people that classical is classical, which equates to most that classical is anything "before jazz." XD
THEY want you to believe that Mozart died of an illness. But THEY can't stop the truth from being told. Mozart was murdered by F. Murray Abraham in 1984. Exactly like the video says. And F. M. Abraham was murdered in 1983 by Tony Montana. There's still controversy surrounding his death because of the dates involved.
@ShaneyElderberry Aahh, the ancient trap: I say unto thee, do not assume that someone is wrong or even ignorant because you see them do something that you do not understand, for yea, that assumption will leap to fill the chasm of your misunderstanding and make you say things that are indeed ignorant. Ask questions first and ask questions later, it maketh the world a better place!
P.S. I killed mozart in 1993 when I was forced to take piano lessons. Over and over again. The screams haunt me still
Now now, lets not get carried away. Technically, I am correct, I just didn't get the joke because I don't watch historically inaccurate films for entertainment, and didn't know the names of actors from those films.
And yes, with as many people that do believe in crazy things like 2012 myths, new age medicine, organic food, and creationism - I think I do have a reason to think there are plenty of simpletons out there.
@ShaneyElderberry Dear Shamey sambucufruit, I believe you were the one that got carried away when you accused Jordan of being an ignorant chap that couldn't even look something up on WikiP - which is exactly what you failed to do (being so carried away and all), oh the irony!
In any case, I'm just right, get used to it: people that assume that other people are stupid/wrong are not as likeable as people that first ask a few questions to check if they might be in the one in the wrong. No excuses.
It was not Jordan directly, it was anybody who had ever made a mistake about labeling something incorrectly. I see no reason to look up on wikipedia any time a mistaken date is placed, do you (if yes then you'll be on the internet forever)?
Who cares if I didn't look up some movie trivia question? It doesn't amount to anything anyways. He said so himself, it's an inaccurate historical film. In 30 years, would I care if someone didn't know the lead actor's names in "300?"
@ShaneyElderberry His name was Gerard Butler. After those events, he led the great Butlerian Jihad, destroyed Omnius and all the Synchronized Worlds, and founded House Corrino.
How about dead classical composers? Does the fact that all the classical composeres are dead mean that classical music kills? How about that shelly Lubben?
@GluteusIlluminatus When lubben dies of something random, I'll be there to campaign for the end of the anti-porn industry that drove her to her death,
awesome! Love the music choice. Its true we wouldn't have any entertainment industry if this was the rule, we wouldnt even have standup comedy because of Lenny Bruce and Mitch Hedberg's deaths.
fuckin GREAT point i never looked at it that way and i analize things pretty close but never saw this perspective and after watching this video i agree TOTALLY thank you
kalifornia3333 14 hours ago
@kalifornia3333 Thanks man!
jordanowen42 13 hours ago
@MrDelight666 Actually this video is not fake. In fact, its quite real. The Mozart thing was a reference to the film Amadeus, which came out in 1984 and co-starred F. Murray Abraham as a highly stylized Antonio Salieri who conspires to kill Mozart through over work. If you weren't devoting all your time to being a grammatically incompetent troll you might have known that and thought "Oh- a humorous comment that is in keeping with the generally sarcastic nature of the video itself. How droll!"
jordanowen42 1 month ago
im sure ill believe you, stupid fuck. porn stars should die a slow death from aids
MrDelight666 1 month ago
How could you not mention Dimebag?! I was sure he would be coming up... any second now.
McLovinlt 1 month ago
...of human sexuality, and the grave mental problems that arise from it are plain. One who uses it can't be a truly happy person, even if it brings moments of pleasure. It is impossible to use pornography and at the same time, love the person you are watching doing degrading things to themselves and to others.
4848613 3 months ago
@4848613 Once again you assholes are content to speak for every single person on the entire planet. I'm quite aware of what I need to be happy, thank you, and I unlike you I have enough respect for the performers in porn to trust that they know what they are doing and are enjoying it. Go look down your nose from your ivory tower somewhere else, anonymous troll.
jordanowen42 3 months ago 2
@4848613 As a great 18th Century Italian philosophiser once said, "Shut the fuck up already"
kinzeUK 1 week ago
And why should they go through so much suffering, you ask? "They shouldn't have gotten involved in the first place". But we should have compassion on everyone, do you judge the homeless person, telling him or her that it's their fault? Everybody makes mistakes in life and pornstars could be fleeing difficult family situations, not knowing other ways out, so I think you are wrong to judge them if you say "serves them right".
Pornography is unhealthy and is a gross misrepresentation
4848613 3 months ago
@4848613 I never said "they shouldn't have gotten involved in the first place" nor is that what I'm arguing. Shelley Lubben's portrayal of the porn industry is largely fictionalized and most of her one time supporters have now come over to our side because they're tired of being treated like shit be her in the name of hallucinatory lunacy. And you can read Eros Empire for my opinion on the idea of being "insensitive."
jordanowen42 3 months ago
This video is insensitive to the incredible suffering that pornographic actors go through. To show that many people in the entertainment industry have died in simliar ways only shows that there's a real problem with the entertainment industry too. But adding those bits about Abraham Lincoln, Mozart and others from complete other time periods, I don't see the point... Shelley Lubben's video shows how high the death RATE of porn stars is, much higher than others I would say.
4848613 3 months ago
@4848613 Its not higher than the logging or mining industries, yet nobody is campaigning to have those shut down.
jordanowen42 3 months ago
LMAO the final message was epic! listen to music, watch movies etc. lol
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junioromni2011 3 months ago
I think those are connected to porn indirectly, most of those deaths are the result of porn, like taking drugs and depression. It hard to explain.
ali240882 4 months ago
And u, among this whole insanity, u make this vid, 'cuz this is what u had to say.THIS, among all the things that are happening, is actually bothering you.That a LOT of ex- porn stars felt the need to say sth about their experience and try to protect others.U're pathetic dude.try a new novel.let's call it:Diary.It's gonna make a hell of a study case.
ioandes 4 months ago
What about John Holmes? Dead from A.I.D.S. and directly related to his life in the adult"entertainment" industry. Most likely from making gay/bi porn before he became a big(pun fully intended) star.
seniorsparky45 4 months ago
@seniorsparky45 He was already a big star before he started making gay porn. Its generally suspected that he got it either from being used to interrogate prisoners while incarcerated or from a female co-star who got HIV from a dentist. Either way, you're talking about a time before anyone really knew what AIDS was and before the industry was equipped to deal with it.
jordanowen42 4 months ago
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Wow, I'm supposed to be surprised that hedonistic people are going to do fun things that put their health at risk. Being hedonistic preceded the porn industry, and to take away the industry would likely lead them to something else that gives their pants the happies.
Thank you Shelly for teaching me that instead of helping people with a problem, I should operate on gut-reactions and take away their source of pleasure, but not the source of the problem.
Thank you Shelly.
Two-Faced Cunt
mizakzee 5 months ago
Wow, I'm supposed to be surprised that hedonistic people are going to do fun things that put their health at risk. Being hedonistic preceded the porn industry, and to take away the industry would likely lead them to something else that gives their pants the happies.
Thank you Shelly for teaching me that instead of helping people with a problem, I should operate on gut-reactions and take away their source of pleasure, but not the source of the problem.
Thank you Shelly.
Two-Faced Cunt
mizakzee 5 months ago
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48tank 5 months ago
@Jordan Owen I can agree with you all the way its what the people chose to be part of and that's their problem
Cheezerussler72 6 months ago
One last comment ok? cool :)
Let's say a rock star dies from overdose, an actor drunk himself to death, would you classify those deaths as related to music star lifestyle or just random death not linked to the situation the person was in? I think you'd say it's more or less related and caused by the enviroment, so same with porn, it's not like they died or were killed on set, but porn ruined they lifes, relationships, caused depression, and in some (imo undeniable) way cased most of this
LethalDozePL 6 months ago
@LethalDozePL The lifestyle is something they chose to get involved in themselves, not the industry that films them having sex. If porn caused depression, ruined their relationships, etc, then that's their problem, not the industry's.
jordanowen42 6 months ago
sorry for my english lol
yes people die from overdose, DUI, suicides, etc and it's most likely caused by depression and other emotional problems created by the enviroment they're in. But the points is, it's a lot common in PORN.
LethalDozePL 6 months ago
Ok, you showed OTHER people who died in similar situation, BUT SO WHAT? it doesnt prove anything!! the points is what many per 10000 die in such situations in different industries, and in porn there are more death than in music or film industry
LethalDozePL 6 months ago
Come on,
don't you think that them being in pornbiz makes them more depressed and vunelabre to drugs, alcohol, makes them have guns for protection as they most probably meet a lot of shady people in the industry?
LethalDozePL 6 months ago
@LethalDozePL No I don't. The industry isn't that shady if you deal with the right people. And I'll tell you right now that "come on" arguments don't work on me.
jordanowen42 6 months ago
@jordanowen42 I would tend to disagree with one thing : It doesn't really matter WHO deal with. Porn is always shady.It thrives in the darker side of life.It's the bastard stepchild of the film industry(not unlike pro wrestling and sports), and in both, people tend to enhance themselves more,do more drugs, and die younger than in their "legitimate" counterparts. Hollywood has always been known to eat its own young.In the porn side of Hollywood, it just seems more profound.
themitch1966 4 months ago
@themitch1966 Shows what you know. There are companies in porn that do exceptional business practices and your inability to recognize them doesn't mean they don't exist. Your cynicism is not a love of humanity.
jordanowen42 4 months ago
@jordanowen42 Having a pretty public face doesn't mean that you're not still operating in the shadows.One wonders: are you a big porn advocate who keeps the lotion comapnies in business? Or are you a secret front for one the Porn houses? No,let me guess-You're just a concerned citizen who TOTALLY believes in the 1st Amendment.
themitch1966 4 months ago
@themitch1966 LOL- if you want to elevate me to the ranks of corporate shill, go right ahead.
jordanowen42 4 months ago
@jordanowen42 Corparate shill is not an elavation. It's what I usually wipe off my shoe. Oh, I know. . .you must be a follower of porno hack Michael Whiteacre!!
themitch1966 4 months ago
@themitch1966 MIchael Whiteacre is a colleague of mine and we've collaborated on several projects. He's quite talented, actually. For instance, he would never put yellow text on an orange background.
jordanowen42 4 months ago
GOOD WORK Jordan !!
peeper44 6 months ago
@peeper44 Thanks! :)
jordanowen42 6 months ago
They took drugs and lived recklessly half committing suicide because they could no longer look at themselves in the mirror sad but what can someone expect from this kind of lifestyle
ILoveCats753 7 months ago
How the fuck can you blame porn for getting sideswiped in a car? That makes NO FUCKING SENSE!!! but then again it's Shelley Lubben we are talking about here.
Meex1989 7 months ago
shelley lubben created 9 sock puppet accounts to dislike this video.
Meex1989 7 months ago
Uh.... with all your reminders of those who died of suicide, drugs, alcohol etc. - You kind of make Shelly's point.
discoverytime1 7 months ago
@discoverytime1 suicide, drugs, alcohol and other related deaths are the results of the wrong decisions of individuals, not the industries they were associated with. Shelley's point was a failed appeal to emotion and the illogic of it was what I highlighted in my video: that by her rationale we should shut down an industry any time a person dies unnaturally, even if their death had nothing to do with the actual industry.
jordanowen42 7 months ago
@jordanowen42 Who wants to shut down an industry? Not me. We both agree that they made bad choices.
discoverytime1 7 months ago
@discoverytime1 Shelley wants to shut down the industry because of the bad choices of a few people.
jordanowen42 7 months ago
All ex-porn stars and ex-musicians of the video were so far of GOD... This is the problem...
robertoscr 9 months ago
@armatulo Wow really, you speak of how degrading something is and pin the arrogance card on my forehead!?! It is probably safe to say you are still bitter because someone chose porn over you and/or you couldn't keep up with someones porn driven fantasies so now you look down your nose at everyone who enjoys porn or participates in them. Im done having this pointless conversation with you. Try not to judge peoples likes and dislikes so much, someone may fire back...
MRMUSICALITY999 9 months ago
@MRMUSICALITY999 Man you are one sick puppy. You watch to much porn and all the ideas you get in your head are porn dictated. My life is actually pretty saddled and I completely don't fall into the depressed/bitter category. But i do have a view on what's taking place these days. I am glad you're done having this conversation because frankly like I already mentioned there is no pleasure in talking to arrogant people who fap' to porn all day long.
armatulo 9 months ago
@armatulo BLAH... thats why Im on youtube, where porn is banned :-/ You sir are in need of an ejaculation dude.
MRMUSICALITY999 9 months ago
@MRMUSICALITY999 Youtube is just one site. I judge by your way of thinking not by where you're at. And since you're so intelligent and educated and also got very nice spelling I thank you for your wise suggestions 'dude'. And if you watch and fap' to porn, and advocate it so vigorously at least be a man about it and don't try to sneak your way out of it with smart-ass sentences like "I'm on youtube". You like it, you watch it and enjoy it, fine, this is your position your right.
armatulo 9 months ago
If a porn star has killed themselves because of porn, It is not the industry that did it. It is the oppressive , bible thumping zealots that do their best to spread hate and crush self esteem. Marginalizing porn stars to a class of evil people who dont belong. Heck I'd wanna kill myself too.
macusromo 9 months ago
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macusromo 9 months ago
I see where your coming from. I think tho ppl r already educated in the dangers of leading a risky lifestyle. Free time and lots of money always has its dangers and I think many porn stars may already have had drink or drug problems before they were involved in porn. And the money is going to be tempting, where else is an uneducated, young good looking adult gna b making thousands a week? I think it is worth ex porn stars educating young ppl on the industry tho but its here 2 stay regardless.
Jimmynable 9 months ago
LOL!!!!
Horushu 10 months ago
watch "blue room" with cody lane. they "play by the rules" you mentioned above. i watch as much porn as the next, but i'd have to be blind not to see that it messes up those involved.
mellowfacemarsh 10 months ago
@mellowfacemarsh Watched it. I would recommend going to bobbistarr d o t c o m and looking at- i think- the second of her email response videos where she talks about shooting a similar scene. Believe it or not, some people are okay with that. What rules are you referring to?
jordanowen42 10 months ago
the total arbitary-ness of this makes your point clearly and cleverly. i don't necessarily agree with shelly lubben's stand but i can't justify it either as the persons in her video were all adults, free to make their own decisions. any untimely death is tragic however, and should be respected.
rusticulator08 11 months ago
One more point to make on the subject at hand: I wouldn't place porn in the same position as music, poetry, sports and etc. It has nothing in common with those industries and activities. Because while music, sports, poetry and other normal things enrich and develop a man a part from making money on his expanse, porn degrades both its viewers and those who participate in the production of those movies. Your arguments from all angles are simply ridicules.
armatulo 1 year ago
@armatulo Money is not exchanged at someone's expense. It is the abstract value that is exchanged for the concrete value of the seller's goods and services. It is up to the buyer to decide what will enrich their lives, not someone else to do it for them. Believe it or not, there are many people out there that consider professional sex to be fun, rewarding, and life affirming and I know quite a few of them. Your inability to understand that does not change reality.
jordanowen42 1 year ago
@armatulo AND SO IS YOUR SPELLING!!! (i.e. ridicules) My fantasies are my fantasies and if someone wants to think less of me for that then guess what, they are just as hell-bound as I am on the account of the whole "thou shalt not judge" thing. If that is the case then we should ban Rap, Pop, Horror movies, Sci FI, and Action movies because they all depict images of violence, murder, sex, and other things that are deemed immoral. Porn and safe sex go hand in hand (no pun intended)...
MRMUSICALITY999 9 months ago
@MRMUSICALITY999 When someone talks about another's spelling during an argument it is a sure sign they have nothing substantial to bring as a counter argument. English is not my native language, it aint even a second language but a third, so i am allowed to have some spelling/grammar mistakes. As for banning everything, no need in such extremes. But I would remove some rap and other things from TV/internet if it were up to me. So fortunately for you it aint. Enjoy your porn in the mean time.
armatulo 9 months ago
@armatulo I could care less about how many languages you know, that is irrelevant. However, if you are going to throw your opinion around and not expect people to throw theirs back at you then you are sadly mistaken. As for not having a substantial argument, REALLY!?! The most poignant statement you've made was "Enjoy your porn." which was pleasant, non judgemental and will eliminate any negative feedback, especially if you have issues with spelling in so many different languages :-)
MRMUSICALITY999 9 months ago
@MRMUSICALITY999 I am happy that you're pleased with yourself. Arrogance is another sign that you don't have much to contribute to a conversation. As far as my opinion goes, I wouldn't mind much if you had a little dignity when you're talking to others but your manner of speech is disrespectful, which is why I don't care much for what you have to say. To sad that because of folks like you this industry thrives. It is quite scary how much our society has degraded because of it in the last decades
armatulo 9 months ago
@armatulo Wow really, you speak of how degrading something is and pin the arrogance card on my forehead!?! It is probably safe to say you are still bitter because someone choose porn over you and/or you couldn't keep up with someones porn driven fantasies so now you look down your nose at everyone who enjoys porn or participates in them. Im done having this pointless conversation with you. Try not to judge peoples likes and dislikes so much, someone may fire back...
MRMUSICALITY999 9 months ago
The deaths you bring up in your video are directly related to porn. Drugs and alcohol and suicides are a result of emotional deterioration of the person, it is not done just because. I personally know a few women that did this for a living and they all went through this crap and some still take antidepressants. You like porn? You want to advocate porn? Good for you. But every jerk can understand that what you see in those films can not have a healthy effect on the performers.
armatulo 1 year ago 2
@armatulo So.... a porn star suffers emotional deterioration and kills themselves and its because of porn but a rock star doesn't? You don't think that Kurt Cobain's suicide was the result of emotional deterioration? Just because you see sex as something inherently negative and wrong doesn't give you the right to decide how other people feel about the world around them. And if that weren't enough, you're into Buddhism- the religion that has millions of people in the east living in total shit!
jordanowen42 1 year ago
@armatulo , excellent point.Jordanowen42, before i even bothered to comment I checked your age to make sure I wasn't wasting time with a horny teenager.75% -at least- of female porn-stars were sexually abused as kids.About 30-50% for the male ones.This is translated to mental disorders, low self esteem and many many symptoms such as drug abuse and self-destructive behavior.Of course porn industry is linked.U know nothing about recruiting actors?They are predators for such sufferers
ioandes 4 months ago
jordanowen42, I really find it difficult to understand why would smn bother to make a response-vid like yours saying the stuff u said, esp aging 28 yrs old.Well...unless u're on a mission, u really are in self-conflict concerning porn, reacting so intensely, 'cuz u feel like smn's blaming u and u just want to continue watch porn,but no-one to have to say sth about it.Well guess what.The moment u know, u are an accomplice.Trashing these people into low-life-no-goods will get u nowhere
ioandes 4 months ago
@ioandes Not sure what this whole "self conflict" is, but a lot of people accuse me of having it. I'm a novelist, I have a book coming out on the subject of the porn industry and in the course of my research I made a lot of really good friends within the industry that I strive to protect from scum like you.
jordanowen42 4 months ago
@jordanowen42 , hi hi hi!U'd be hilarious if u weren't dangerous.So what's your point after all?People like me shouldn't be opposed to porn industry because...because...hmmmm...really...what's your point after all?I used to think like you, like this is a matter of freedom and making your own decisions, but then i did some research and was absolutely disgusted.So i had a reason.What's yours?U still haven't answered.Why are u so eager and passionate to stand by the global porn-industry?
ioandes 4 months ago
Oh!Are we playing the "I'm important" game?I'm a therapist, my job is to understand people's thinking, feeling and acting.And I care!This is not a game to me.It's not a"oo!let's upload a vid making impression!"U jerk...They dress 18years old like school girls, making them have sex with a dozen guys, feeding them pills, without condoms, defining that they'll wear Pampers by 30.Pedophilia is increasing for the assholes to make money
ioandes 4 months ago
@ioandes It's people like you that make me glad you're out there and I'm all the way back here
kinzeUK 1 week ago
@ioandes Actually 45% of people in porn are healthy well adjusted individuals, 31% are MENSA members, 27% are members of Columbia Record Club, 91% are right handed 53% are the children of albino midgets from North Dakota, 94% are bipedal and 100% are not effected by unverifiable statistics.
jordanowen42 4 months ago
half the people in this video died as a result of the lifestyle they lived. bon scott lived a 'rock and roll' lifestyle. kurt cobain killed himself because he didn't want to turn out to be pete townsend.he believed he 'sold out' hispunk ideals so he shot himself. rock hudson died of aids as a resut of his lifestyle.lincoln and jfk took a risk for political ideals. porn culture is ridden with drugs, std's, physical abuse and emotional trauma. porn damages people.
beardsofpraise 1 year ago
@beardsofpraise Okay, slow person, here's the obvious message that everyone else got but was lost on you: all but one of the people in Shelley Lubben's video died not as a result of being in porn but of the lifestyle choices that they made of which porn played no part. As someone who actually knows how porn works rather than a Lubben apostle like you, I can tell you that drugs are not allowed on set, all physical acts are agreed upon before hand, and the STD screening is world class.
jordanowen42 1 year ago
@beardsofpraise well said
shahnan 11 months ago
@beardsofpraise eva lux intended to go out this way just to be a rebel!
sylicone221 8 months ago
The ONLY sin Jesus DIDN'T forgive: Hypocrisy!!!!!
gilbertodeazevedo 1 year ago
These nasty people turn into parasites, draining the medical coffers due to std's & AIDs, also, ruining their bodies to the extent that they are worn out from drugs & other filth. When they can no longer work at ANY job, they panhandle & go on welfare, steal from law abiding people. No wonder they're "spent" & suicidal !
ftjax 1 year ago
Drug and alcohol use is directly linked to the industry. Porn performers use drugs and drink to escape the degredation they suffer on the job. Add to this the STD's and physical injuries from having over sized objects stuffed into ones body orifaces, Porn does indeed kill. BTW, Your rock stars usually watch porn and also have thier occupational hazards as well.
BernieEOD 1 year ago
@BernieEOD Obviously another Lubbenite with no idea of how the industry works. If you feel degraded from doing porn and need to escape into booze and drugs then you have no business being in porn in the first place. Also, despite what Lubben and her drones would have you think, the AIM healthcare clinic is one of the best STD prevention forces on the planet and is studied the world over for the quality control they provide. And you can train your body to accept "over sized objects." U FAIL!
jordanowen42 1 year ago
@jordanowen42 You are telling those who were there what is and is not happening. AIM is a cover up organization which lost its license to operate. Even AIM admits that the industry is producing rectal hemorage, STD's in places where it normally doesn't happen, and other mutilations. Your word against one who has been there? I'll take Shelly's word over yours and chose not to spend my money on killing women.
BernieEOD 1 year ago
@BernieEOD Shelley wasn't there long enough to even register with most people. AIM is now back up and running as a privately owned organization. So you'll rely on AIM's claims when it comes to the negatives but not when it comes to the positives? Poppycock. You don't seem to know who I am. I know a VAST number of people in the business and am going to be appearing in the documentary the Devil and Shelley Lubben, which will feature many current and former porn performers that disagree w/Shel
jordanowen42 1 year ago
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@jordanowen42 You are telling those who were there what is and is not happening. AIM is a cover up organization which lost its license to operate. Even AIM admits that the industry is producing rectal hemorage, STD's in places where it normally doesn't happen, and other mutilations. Your word against one who has been there? I'll take Shelly's word over yours and chose not to spend my money on killing women.
BernieEOD 1 year ago
@jordanowen42 The pron industry has only one goal. To sucker men out of their money. Porn is as addicting as any hard drug. An NFL player ended up putting over $100,000 into the G string of strippers. When men allow themselves to be suckered like this, school clothes dont get bout, car payments are not made, even homes are lost. On the other end, the industry kills their people. The memorial video is a warning about what happens to those who choose to enter this dark world.
BernieEOD 1 year ago
@BernieEOD I'm well aware of what you in your misguided la-la land of a brain think it was supposed to be, but the fact of the matter is that only one of those deaths actually had anything to do with the process of making pornography. Now you can stomp your little fists and go red in the face all you want, but the fact of the matter is that if those men lost everything to porn then they FUCKING DESERVED TO LOOSE IT! Let the miscreants with no self control be suckered and perish.
jordanowen42 1 year ago
Respond to this video...Shelly Luben simply offers a way out of this deathsyle. Many answer. Some of them who answered and left the deatstyle were probably once one of your favorite performers.
BernieEOD 1 year ago
@BernieEOD Actually very few if any answer. Most of the people in the industry regard Shelley Lubben as an annoyance at best and a cretin at worst. There's no hope for you- don't write to me again.
jordanowen42 1 year ago
The lifestyles these porn stars live is very condusive to negative elements which may account for these tragedies.
movadoband 1 year ago
@movadoband Their lifestyles are theirs to manage on their own, not their employers.
jordanowen42 1 year ago
@jordanowen42 they hang around waiting for someone to film them having sex...lol, I be doing drugs too.
movadoband 1 year ago
Bravo sir, BRA-fucking-VO. I watched the video by pink cross or whatever they want to call their weak conservative pink panty fest organization. "we hope this has touched you in a very profound way and you will stop watching porn" haha. sure, ill get right on that and throw all my porn away. You made a great point, loved the end where you said i hope you stop listening to music and watching movies etc.........well done good sir.
tonyss9 1 year ago 4
@tonyss9 Thanks man- glad you liked it. :)
jordanowen42 1 year ago
motzart dint die die 19whatever
MrMattfick 1 year ago
@MrMattfick It was a joke- I was referencing the movie Amadeus.
jordanowen42 1 year ago
There should be a Club for old men who want to adopt broken down porn stars. We can clean them up and take care of their kids. Make decent women out of them. Do you think they would stray or cheat on us afterward?
YZDT 1 year ago
People still have to fuck. What are you going to do?
YZDT 1 year ago
porn sucks, especially american porn is depressing.... an ugly guy degrading some ho.... at least european porn has romance and some acting in it!
many porn actresses end up hating men and suicidal though, that;s a fact
TheYaom 1 year ago
@TheYaom "Degrading some ho?" contradiction! And if you'd take the time to look at the films of Paul Thomas or Brand Armstrong, you'd know that American porn has plot, acting and romance as well.
jordanowen42 1 year ago
Im still jackin to porn
JiveAss666 1 year ago
@JiveAss666 God help you. :p
jordanowen42 1 year ago
@JiveAss666 hell yeah, for lack of a better phrase, porn is great.
tonyss9 1 year ago
F. Murray Abraham. A distinguished actor of film and television fame, but few people realize that he was also a time traveler and a murderer. lol thanks, I got a good laugh out of that.
grits011 1 year ago
Even in death this man is still persecuted.
ganzocribo 1 year ago
@ganzocribo Which man?
jordanowen42 1 year ago
@jordanowen42 M.J. everybody else he puts a descent photo. For M.J he puts a cartoon with a piece of nose. Saying "michael died of something in 2009. There are people who have done worse among the faces that were shown. And the cocksucka didn't mess them up in his vid. Insultive, limp-dick bastard.
ganzocribo 1 year ago
@ganzocribo I didn't know "insultive" was a word. For the record I think Thriller and Bad are two of the most important albums ever recorded and Michael Jackson was a musical genius. That said, he was a fruit loop in his personal life. It is possible to appreciate one but not the other. But Michael wasn't the only one- you failed to notice the levity in the statement about Mozart.
jordanowen42 1 year ago
@jordanowen42 Insultive is a word Brett Keane made up in his diseased brain...LOL
BobChaos23 1 year ago
@jordanowen42 great video by the way(see my comment). obviously thie ganzocribo takes himself too seriously. It was a joke, and a very funny one. I was born in 1979 and michael jackson was the most famous man on the planet when i was a kid. I loved his music, thriller etc, he was amazing. but like you said, when a guy is that famous and never has any women and wants to hang around kids all day, hes a fruit loop. enough said.
tonyss9 1 year ago
That,sir, was excellent. I nearly sht myself laughing at the Mozart line!
arcanics1971 1 year ago
How could you omit Elvis Presley???
The king died on the toilet.
So don't listen to music. And don't have a shit.
bdf2718 1 year ago
Very well done ! Bravo ! That's the only right answer to this deliberately misleading and deceiving bullcrap video she made !
V0r4xiz 1 year ago
but but but... all those people, in your video and the one to which you're responding, died because someone had sex somewhere while someone else may have been able to see/hear/smell it happening >.<
stratusmind 1 year ago
@stratusmind This just made me laugh SO hard that I snorted. :someone has sex somewhere while someone else may have been able to see/hear/smell it happening."
Hahahaha, yeah, I had to type it all out over again, it was that funny. Thanks :)
ReignbowSmite 1 year ago
You see, that's the problem with these artsy types and public figures. They are such flighty creatures and prone to dying from virtually anything.
"Michael Jackson died of something" How very poignant ;)
DeeDemonwitch 1 year ago
No one here gets out alive
Teloculos 1 year ago
Life,..... 100% fatal
Ce4or 1 year ago
lol have a nice day :D
patheice 1 year ago
You should have worked the day the music died into this video. Buddy Holly, Big Bopper and Richie Valens.
rdkitchens 1 year ago
You should have worked the day the music died into that video. Buddy Holly, Big Bopper and Richie Valens.
rdkitchens 1 year ago
lol@mozart man i watched this movie again just yesterday so stop reading my mind
this in my opinion is maybe one of the best things you ever done so far.
good job jordan and keep rocking man
we love you!
christine13black 1 year ago
On the Pink Cross Myspace page they have a similar list of dead Playboy models which includes MARILYN MONROE. Surely it can't be refuted, Marilyn Monroe died due to complications resulting from posing naked for Playboy.
vadimcream 1 year ago
Maybe it's a woman thing. If a woman dies, then you are allowed to connect the death to her profession.
LJonathan 1 year ago
Paton died from breaking his spine in a fender bender. I don't know what to do with that. Anyway I don't understand now what the point is. To me it's obvious it's usually bad for the people involved. Outlawing it is stupid because it does not work. That does not help anyone. That's beside the legal arguments against it. But if the question is if it's bad then that can be proven.
Blackthorn2323 1 year ago
Epic.
bulbinking 1 year ago
"Jim morrison died supposedly died of heart failure in 1971" -orly? tell me moar mistake man! :-P
storms0rz 1 year ago
Albert Camus died in a carcrash in 1960. Apparantly absurdism and writing is a fatal combination.
laurariddle292 1 year ago
It seems having a job... any job... is fatal.
jussts 1 year ago
Interesting.
Chuloloc 1 year ago
Jeff Buckley, drowned in the Mississippi, 1997.
DAMN YOU MUSIC INDUSTRY!
NsHatch 1 year ago
Overdose of Tylenol LOL
macwild1234 1 year ago
"....but most of the deaths aren't directly connected to porn."
Good lord, what kind of on the fatal job accident can happen at a porn shoot?
...
On second thought, let's not persue that line of inquiry.
LordCustos3 1 year ago
LOL! Another example of how the anti-porn movement twists and omits details to fit their arguments!
gir908922 1 year ago
Well, that's because current day music is of the devil and should not be tollerated. Instead, we should listen to what the taliban has to say and follow their examples (not allowed to listen to music at all).
Or we could live like mormons. We should reflect on it. Still it's sad to have people die on drug abuse.
ContinuumXT 1 year ago
"Prodtitutes"? Sounds kinky.
iamcuriousblue 1 year ago
Hey, the music industry *made* Michael Jackson a pedophile and plastic surgery addict and lead to his premature demise! Are you shilling for THE INDUSTRY? watch?v=zva7soRYZ8s
Pop music is a luxury that leads to broken lives!
;-)
iamcuriousblue 1 year ago
well done.
elilichtenberg 1 year ago
I think Nursery Rhymes should be included here too. Afterall, Humpty Dumpty fell of that wall. Or was he really pushed? We'll never know.
kalsolarUK 1 year ago
@kalsolarUK
"I think Nursery Rhymes should be included here too. Afterall, Humpty Dumpty fell of that wall. Or was he really pushed? We'll never know."
Oh, sure we're supposed to believe that ALL the Kings Horses* and All the Kings Men couldn't put him back together again. What I wanna know is why King Cole opened an restaraunt the specialized in King Sized Omelette's right after the incident!
*Note= Yes, of course, the King's Horses were in on it.
LordCustos3 1 year ago
The comments from "Christians" on that video are more disturbing than the misleading material itself. Jamie Gillis (who made over 400 porn films) died of melanoma in February at the age of 66 - will Lubben add him to her tally?
ChoofMonster 1 year ago
LOL about Mozart! :D
brielmusik 1 year ago
Well, I have to admit that this did indeed touch me in a profound way. That was true beauty.
FeministWhore 1 year ago
The death of Mozart is incredibly wrong, and due to ignorance. Mozart was an 18th century composer. He died on Dec 5, 1791, and he was not murdered by anybody. He died of Illness.
This is why everybody should be very skeptical about anything they watch or read on the internet.
ShaneyElderberry 1 year ago
@ShaneyElderberry You cannot be serious... you really can't tell that's a joke?
jordanowen42 1 year ago 6
@jordanowen42
Sorry, I've seen some frightful things on youtube, and I really can't be sure at this point anymore. I just expect to most people that classical is classical, which equates to most that classical is anything "before jazz." XD
ShaneyElderberry 1 year ago
@ShaneyElderberry Yeah- the joke was that F. Murray Abraham played Salieri in the historically inaccurate film Amadeus in 1984.
jordanowen42 1 year ago 3
@jordanowen42 Gawd I hate that movie...
BobChaos23 1 year ago
@jordanowen42
Mozart was killed by Reptiloid Illuminati Aliens*. Don't try to deny or I'll be forced to look down my nose as you disapprovingly.
*Note=They were Reptiloid Illumati Aliens all disguised as Tony Amendola (they couldn't afford F. Murray Abraham.)
LordCustos3 1 year ago
@jordanowen42 A JOKE? BULLSHIT!
THEY want you to believe that Mozart died of an illness. But THEY can't stop the truth from being told. Mozart was murdered by F. Murray Abraham in 1984. Exactly like the video says. And F. M. Abraham was murdered in 1983 by Tony Montana. There's still controversy surrounding his death because of the dates involved.
See? Some of us DO pay attention.
ravenslaves 1 year ago 2
@ravenslaves love ur comment
christine13black 1 year ago
@ravenslaves LOL
macusromo 9 months ago
@ShaneyElderberry Aahh, the ancient trap: I say unto thee, do not assume that someone is wrong or even ignorant because you see them do something that you do not understand, for yea, that assumption will leap to fill the chasm of your misunderstanding and make you say things that are indeed ignorant. Ask questions first and ask questions later, it maketh the world a better place!
P.S. I killed mozart in 1993 when I was forced to take piano lessons. Over and over again. The screams haunt me still
wearealltubes 1 year ago
@wearealltubes
Now now, lets not get carried away. Technically, I am correct, I just didn't get the joke because I don't watch historically inaccurate films for entertainment, and didn't know the names of actors from those films.
And yes, with as many people that do believe in crazy things like 2012 myths, new age medicine, organic food, and creationism - I think I do have a reason to think there are plenty of simpletons out there.
ShaneyElderberry 1 year ago
@ShaneyElderberry Dear Shamey sambucufruit, I believe you were the one that got carried away when you accused Jordan of being an ignorant chap that couldn't even look something up on WikiP - which is exactly what you failed to do (being so carried away and all), oh the irony!
In any case, I'm just right, get used to it: people that assume that other people are stupid/wrong are not as likeable as people that first ask a few questions to check if they might be in the one in the wrong. No excuses.
wearealltubes 1 year ago
@wearealltubes
It was not Jordan directly, it was anybody who had ever made a mistake about labeling something incorrectly. I see no reason to look up on wikipedia any time a mistaken date is placed, do you (if yes then you'll be on the internet forever)?
Who cares if I didn't look up some movie trivia question? It doesn't amount to anything anyways. He said so himself, it's an inaccurate historical film. In 30 years, would I care if someone didn't know the lead actor's names in "300?"
ShaneyElderberry 1 year ago
@ShaneyElderberry His name was Gerard Butler. After those events, he led the great Butlerian Jihad, destroyed Omnius and all the Synchronized Worlds, and founded House Corrino.
BobChaos23 1 year ago
@wearealltubes
And I was not out of hand for assuming they were wrong, since the dates still were in fact wrong, when talking about Mozart himself.
ShaneyElderberry 1 year ago
@wearealltubes Hey, in fairness, looking things up on wikipedia is very time consuming. =P
BobChaos23 1 year ago
@ShaneyElderberry
JO42 was making a joke about the historically inaccurate 1984 film "Amadeus."
ShadowPa1adin 1 year ago
@ShadowPa1adin
you are correct. He said that earlier.
ShaneyElderberry 1 year ago
Mozart, lol.
katiekat76M 1 year ago
BEAST!
rphamning 1 year ago
How about dead classical composers? Does the fact that all the classical composeres are dead mean that classical music kills? How about that shelly Lubben?
GluteusIlluminatus 1 year ago
@GluteusIlluminatus When lubben dies of something random, I'll be there to campaign for the end of the anti-porn industry that drove her to her death,
wearealltubes 1 year ago 8
Clever...
zarkoff45 1 year ago
awesome! Love the music choice. Its true we wouldn't have any entertainment industry if this was the rule, we wouldnt even have standup comedy because of Lenny Bruce and Mitch Hedberg's deaths.
TheAbsinthemind 1 year ago
@TheAbsinthemind Ah- I forgot stand up. Put Sam Kinnison and Bill Hicks in there too...
jordanowen42 1 year ago
@jordanowen42 And Richard Jeni.
paradoarify 1 year ago