Our Gov. has trashed our Constitution....and passed laws & bills so that our Constitution is no longer valid anymore. All the people that exercise the long lost rights...though they may be right still wind up in jail... and paying lawyers... ect. The law men in enforcement... along with...even census takers...takes it as a challenge when you exercise your C. rights. We are all criminals!!! Thanks Obamma & Company.
"When they come to my door it is the Census taker who will be answering my questions"....sounds like he's advocating "shooting the messenger" and not the Census Bureau, instead of attacking the Census taker, which I think some are volunteers, why not try to inform them in an non-confrontational way.
@JuanOfaKind88 Fine, be polite all you want. Just remember it is the person at your door threatening and intimidating you while the people back at that CB are laughing at the stupidity, gullibility and desperation of the Census Worker for doing their "legwork" without even realizing what they are doing. You do the Census Worker a favor by explaining things, rude or polite.
@csiwhore I guess you and we have different governments. The U.S. government does not collect information to help us, it collects information to tax and control us.
@Uaegnome Your comments are inconsistent. You are off-grid, but you want government to collect information on everybody. You are starting to look like a robotic agitator.
@minivanjack who said i want government to collect information on everybody? i dont , all im saying i gave up my green card and moved away from so called dream land aka US , im in a much better place now with much less bullshit
Why did this guy disable comments on video 2? Makes him look like he now only wants his comments up like Michele Beckman does. Any one that disables comments loses all credibility. Too bad because I likes everything he is discovering, too late, but better late than never.
What he fails to do is discover that we don't have a Constitution anymore. Obama just declared war on all Americans that disagree with his laws protecting the criminal banksters and the criminal federal government.
@stophypocrisy Videos that are judged "anti-government" become subject to destructive childish and organized attacks.Government apparently has unlimited resources and operatives to harass and disrupt. We are given no choice but control the agitators. I will not host hate and ignorance. I am doing you a favor.
My wife and I are being harrassed. First it was our rental house and now the house we live in. They said our first house was a one in a million random selection and now another "one in a million selection?" They threatened us with a $500 fine for every question we don't answer. The questions are about finances, mortgages, income, credit cards, etc. The dizzy bitch comes during the day, during suppertime, calls after 9pm and even while my wife was preparing Thanksgiving dinner. WTF!
@BourneAccident Luckily, all you have to do is repeat "Show me your Constitutional authority and court order (warrant) to demand my personal information". If you want, you can also say "If you ignore my demand to be left alone, each time you disturb us and trespass it will cost you $5,000.00, unless of course you can show me your Constitutional authority and court order (warrant) to demand my personal information."
Those who want to hear a different view search "Jack Layton on Deeper Implications of Census Debate" on YouTube, of course it's for Canada, but it will give you a perspective you might not have be aware of. Notice that Census data was used to show worsening social inequality which is indicative to the current government's failure to help the poor.
@minivanjack It's out of topic on whether the gov should be permitted to help the poor, and if all forms/executions have been a failure in the past; yet it's a general presumption government is supposed to help the disadvantage, my point is, the census data itself provides solid proof, according to Mr. Layton in the video, that there is something not doing effectively by the government; which contradicts the viewpoint that census data is nothing but gov's tool to take advantage of us.
the questions that they ask in certain census question-airs and interviews is for certain reasons. if you want to know why they are asking certain questions then ask the government not the telephone rep that gets paid $10 per hour or less. you flustered the rep and thats why you did not receive answers.
for example: What is your highest level of education?
regardless of your answer they could ask why
when asking why they are looking for reasons that they may be able to help for future generations.
if you dropped out of highschool to help your sick father, they may add funding to middle aged government-provided-medical plans
if you went through some college and dropped out because you were not receiving enough financial aid to continue, they may add more funding to college students.
@latestavon They don't ask why you dropped out and they don't use that to calculate appropriations. Appropriations are made based on political expedianecy, seniority in congress, control of committees, incumbency advantage, and corrupt off-the-record backroom deals. And regardless of any census results EVERY government agency will ALWAYS jockey for more funding, and they will nearly always get. If they fail, they "need" more funding. if they succeed they "deserve" more funding".
you were asking questions that an average telephone representative would not know the answers to. census takers and telephone reps are not the ones that make the decisions of what questions to ask and why. the government asks the questions that they do to see what is going wrong and what is going right. they want to know what programs to create to enhance american life. they want to know which programs can be canceled (although they never cancel any programs they just simply cut funding)
@latestavon You speak as if you know what government wants. It is obvious that you don't. Government "wants" to give away 60 trillion dollars in senseless "bailouts", it "wants" to unlawfully attack foreign countries without declarations of war or any clear defensive imperative. It "wants" to allow big pharma, big agriculture, big energy and the military to serve as wealth-draining oligopolies at the expense of the public interest. It doesn't "want" to enhance American life.
@ForeverAloneFaceIV That's just weird. The government's not stealing anyone's details. The Census is done so people can use aggregated statistics for decision making on things like funding and investment.
@Winmar You pretend to know what the government does with private information? Exactly where did you go to find that out? If you come back here with pretenses and comments like "that's just weird" you will be blocked.
@minivanjack Well I think it's weird to come out with contentions like that without anything to back it up. I work for the government, and know full well that the data isn't used for anything other than its stated purpose. Other departments share data with each other (tax, social security etc), but census data is used for statistical purposes only.
@Winmar What you are saying is not supported by the facts. Since you work for government please tell me how I can look into government records and processes to confirm what you are saying. To claim something is "innocent" when it works in secret and cannot be verified is pretty ridiculous.
"...whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."
I will not give my personal information to criminals.
Just in case anyone here was wondering what evil data the ACS part of the Census was collecting, look up "The Geography of How We Get to Work" on TheAtlantic.
Your underlying assumption of government will misuse your personal information given to census is purely derived from your fantasy and sense of false social justice. I doubt you can find any real hard evidence that the gov has used census info for bad deeds.Your argument is as one-sided as anyone could get, do you even know how important it is for reliable and complete census information to help identify social problems and allocate government findings?
@Yellowknight888 In World War II 100,000 Japanese Americans were interned in concentration camps in the California desert, and they were rounded up with Census data. The Census Department issued a public apology for that. Government uses census data whenever it concocts an "emergency". Census data is not to "identify social problems and allocate government findings", it is to pinpoint groups for new programs of taxation.
@minivanjack If this is the most relevant and up-to-date historical evidence you can present, you should see that is an isolated incident rather than a continuous trend. Surgical knives can save lives until a murderer comes in and uses it to hurt someone. Let's put it this way, some jurisdictions might or might not choose to use the census data for allocation their funding; but without the census data, it NOT POSSIBLE for the government to identify certain issues like poverty $ aging population.
@Yellowknight888 Whether relevant or up-to-date, it demonstrates the error of your comment. Government has shown itself to be a total failure at stealing and diverting resources for poverty and aging. We have more poverty than ever, and aging is as difficult as ever, and trillions have been stolen and spent to "solve" those problems. How bad does government have to be before you see where the real problem is? We need to keep our money and solve our own problems.
Go to: cbs()gov()il/census/census/pnimi_sub_page_e()html?id_topic=1&id_subtopic=5. I don't know your familiarity in statistics, epidemiology and public health. I deal with these on a regular basis at the government setting, and I need to compute statistical estimates that are used to evaluate social programs & funding decisions, & many times I do need the census information to calculate these numbers in the population. Plainly stated, without accurate data, ur heading nowhere.
@Yellowknight888 Just because you want data, or data is "important" does not mean it should be free or people should be forced to disclose personal information. If you like data so much why don't you pay for it?
That shows u have no expertise in the fields I mentioned. And no I don't "like" data per se, but it's essential for improving a nation as a whole, particularly the most marginalized ie: new immigrants and Aboriginals. Sounded like the thing concern u the most is taxation, 1) for those ppl living in poverty keeping their money doesn't suffice, 2) if gov't wants to increase tax, they don't need an excuse from census.
... And sounded like ok to you to release the info as long as you are given enough financial compensation. I am not saying the gov is perfect, far from it, but could you see the point I am making that with the right data at least analysts or researchers can make the case that the gov isn't doing enough (ie: growing unemployment or single mothers) and make a case based on truth, and without it, none can point the finger in the right direction, because we don't know how (un)healthy the pop is.
@Yellowknight888 You seem unable to even imagine that unemployment, single mothers (if that is a problem) and health are any of government's concern in the first place. Many of the problems in those areas are CAUSED by government. For instance, every dollar spent on government is a dollar not spent on a commercially productive job or innovative enterprise. Every dollar taken in taxes is a dollar that cannot be saved & spent on the health care and retirement of the person earning the dollar.
@minivanjack 1) You seem unable to even do a little research before commmenting (people()bu()edu/kotlikof/Health%20Care%20Spending%20Tables()pdf), in percentage US spends about the same % from national income comparing to other developed countries, but in absolute figures, it spends more than any of them. 2) You have a strange intuition that government's "bad" decisions are somehow linked to having complete and quality data analysts and researchers can study on?
@Yellowknight888 It is obvious that government is the least efficient, most unfair and least accountable way to administer charity and coerced "redistribution" of earnings. Why would I want the government to do that or have statistics with which to contemplate doing that?
@minivanjack May I then ask you, are you against the government or the census, because it is a huge difference. I agreed especially in the US healthcare system, the government wasn't making the most effective decisions. And when you say the government is the least efficient, most unfair and least accountable. If you are not pulling this out of thin air, these statements are back up by something, what will that be? Evidence, statistics, and trends, these are all coming from information gathering.
@Yellowknight888 You may have a simple question, like exactly how could my name be re-associated with my census data if the government claimed some "emergency" where they wanted to put me in an internment camp (like the Japanese in WWII). Who do you call? How do you reach a responsible party? Do you think you'll get a clear and complete answer? No, the government is not accountable, and anyone who wants a question answered knows that.
@minivanjack Also, imagine a world without government regulating taxation and redistribution of wealth, there will always be a group of people making below the min living standard, do you really think the voluntary donation will be sufficient? Do you evidence that people in the world are that altruistic and selfless, Japan maybe, the US I highly doubt it (look at the looting after Katrina) And who monitor these charity org so they don't become corrupted as often seen in developing countries?
@Yellowknight888 Most of the problems of Katrina were caused by government failures, all the way down to Army Corpse of Engineers corruption which caused the levy failures. Read the news. People were murdered by panicking police. People had their means of defense (guns) seized by force by government, people were herded into sports stadium squalor and abandoned for weeks. FEMA wasn't even on the scene until 4 days after the flood, four days after Wal-Mart was there passing out relief supplies
@minivanjack It's the government's problem that someone decided to break the apple store's glass windows to steal all the merchandise, and it's government's problem that hurricane came and destroyed the city so it's okay to rape women against their will at the time of utmost vulnerability? Heroes and cowards emerged from emergencies because of their OWN NATURE. No government in the world can handle emergency perfectly, blaming it on the gov for their crimes is just silly.
@Yellowknight888 Crimes, yes, they are well documented, but more than that, failures. Government was designed to be deliberative, slow, redundant and inclusive. It was not designed to be an emergency response service.
@minivanjack Not clear what your response meant, do you still put blame on government for the looting and crimes by the individuals in New Orlean??? We are not talking about protest by citizens against human rights, or these looters need to commit these crimes in order to survive, they robbed, stole, and raped out of their own corrupted nature, nothing to do with the government.
@Yellowknight888@Yellowknight888 So, you are talking about non-governmental looters, rapists and thieves? That has nothing to do with the census. Except to show that government is useless in an emergency, and the census is even more useless.
@minivanjack You are missing my points here, I am not saying the census will miraculously save people from disasters. I bring that up to illustrate people (at least the majority) are not as selfless and altruistic to help others *voluntarily* which is your argument derives from (your claims: gov bad at allocating resources effectively, so get rid of gov, let we donate to charities by free will) but my point is there will not be as sufficient number of these selfless people as you hope).
@minivanjack Of course it does. If I am right, your whole argument goes like this: the US gov is incompetent in many things including protecting census privacy and misuse of census data, so the best thing is to disengage from them and claim our own rights, in cases of public health issues and emergency situations we will do fine on our own based on our own altruism, but I present you evidence "based on public's own free will and moral" with no control by government will be far worse.
@Yellowknight888 You are not right. If you attempt to put "my argument" in your own words again you will be blocked from this page. You are on a page where individual rights are highly valued and collectivism is recognized as corrupt, wasteful, exploitive, coercive and violent. Your wonderful government gets its way by putting a gun to my head. I suggest you go elsewhere to find people who share your enthusiasm for tyranny.
@minivanjack Then please enlighten me, what exactly is your structure of ur argument and how is it different from my description from my previous post. I tried to simplify and condense it so ppl can have an intelligent discussion, and you simply dismiss it without clarifying where I was wrong. And secondly, why not contemplate a little of the freedom your US government has granted your freedom of speech on YouTube that many people in some countries can only dream of.
@Yellowknight888 My argument, and the fact, is that government is not authorized or Constitutionally permitted to demand our private information under threat of force.
Separately, free speech means neither government, YouTube or I may punish you for what you say. It does not mean we have to provide distribution, publication or "posting" of your speech. You are free to create your own YouTube page for that. Your right to speak does not cause anyone to have any obligation to host or listen to it.
@minivanjack I wholeheartedly agree with your point of view that government should not pose any threat for those who are unwilling to provide their private information. However, my question is, do people have some moral obligation if the census data is important to generate data much needed for health-related research and that the government ensures the data will not be misused? Or do you believe that people should never disclose their info under any circumstance?
@Yellowknight888 People have the right to determine what they will and will not disclose. You may think "health-related research" is very important. Someone else may think it is important to sell your daughter into slave trade. They don't get to take your daughter and government doesn't get to take people's private and personal information. We have rights or we don't.
@minivanjack I agree people have different values, I value health-related issues doesn't mean you or others have to adopt the same ideology. As fruits for thought, under what circumstances or sets of parameter should (morally obligated) people voluntarily participate in census or other surveys?
@Yellowknight888 "Should"?, Like you or I have any right to say what someone else "should" do? Neither you or I are dictators deciding what "moral obligations" people have. Everyone gets to decide for themselves (themselves only) what private information they will give away. Period. When someone in government thought how cool it would be to ask citizens for private information they did not invent any new powers for the state. They get to ask, we get to say no. They are our servants.
@Yellowknight888 said: "under what circumstances or sets of parameter should (morally obligated) people voluntarily participate in census or other surveys?"
@minivanjack: Exactly. I do not believe that we have given the government constitutional authority to require any more information than a head count.
Without constitutional backing, I am free to decline to any further questions... And I have... And I will continue to do so until the Constitution is changed.
@Yellowknight888 By the way, hundreds of thousands of government files and millions of private records have been lost, hacked, misused, stolen, compromised and improperly released. Have you ever seen government voluntarily compensate anyone for that? If someone in government "ensures" data security they are lying.
3) Seems like you are saying if government ceases to exist and no longer governing/regulating the population, our upper class will save money from being taxed and then will altruistically help the poor and needed? Please let me know what leads you to believe in such fantasy world? ... the truth you won't wanna hear about it, yes, the US gov't isn't spend money in healthcare most effectively (tho comparing to many developing countries, it's still passable), but taking away data, it will NEVER be.
@Yellowknight888 I believe in the "fantasy" that charity is more targeted, efficient and effective in a private system because that's exactly what it was before our welfare state was created. Even the most evil and greedy blood-sucking elite (Carnegie, Rothschilds, Rockefellers, etc.) sponsored huge philanthropic efforts. Under private supervision by people who actually care the outcomes are four times better per dollar donated with much less overhead than tax-based programs.
we are anonymous, we are aware of the corruption in the world's governments and their apathy for the human lives because of money.
we are aware of the governments' attempt to cover on the news of the rebellions to keep us as slaves for the current system.
we are anonymous, we declare war on the corrupted system, join the plan to get your freedom and rights back. you are a human being, your life has value. we are anonymous, we are legion, expect us!
Unfortunately, that site requires "registration", and any registration list may be seized by "authorized" opponents of liberty and freedom. Also, registration does not protect anonymous because infiltrators can easily register anonymously, so registrants can expect to be hacked by anonymous as a basic security measure. Is there any way to advance the agenda without "registration"?
@AnonPerception If anonymous gets infiltrated by, or associated with, a false-flag government-sponsored murdering psycho, everybody on that registration list will be code yellow to DHS. We live in difficult times. It is problematic that something called "anonymous" requires registration. Anonymous needs to have some kind of anonymous options for people who wish to make a difference in their own safe and measured way.
@minivanjack i understand why you feel that way i too feel that way sometimes, but i have no fear of the government. If you do not wish to join then i understand but may i suggest registration with a proxy service that way even the website will not have your ip
According to the Charter of Rights Freedom of Religion but more importantly according to GODS LAW KING JAMES BIBLE: :One could successfully argue that any Census is from the DEVIL. REASON BEING the old testament. "1 chronicle 21:1 Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel...." asa result God punished Israel and destroy 70,000 people (Israeli's) WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE THE CANADA BEAST CENSUS!
They are collecting all of this info and gps coordinates in advance of the implementation martial law. Once they have an excuse to declare martial law (wether a real emergency or contrived) they will do so, and once that happens, they begin rounding up "dissidents". This is all in preperation for the new world order that the neo-cons are working toward. If the census worker has already gotten your info, quietly move right away. If not, then try to avoid talking to them at all costs.
@Nakor420ish PROVINCES JOINED THE DOMINION OF CANADA not "canada" Hence no new agreement made with each province:Under this new name.;so their laws are" FUNTUS DEFICIO "meaning no longer functional. This is also an excellent argument for not taking the Census.
I pay my rent, council tax, tv license, parking, NI, Tax, car tax, high fuel prices, over inflated rip off food prices, water rates, escalated and pocket theiving gas and electricity prices yet I get a letter saying if I don't fill in a form telling them (even more) the ins and outs of a cow's asshole in the Census that I will be fined £1,000 and possible jail ?
What fucking services ?I don't even get afree bin bag through my door
fuck them up their asses, they can drop dead, pisstakers.
@Jointheir777 Don't fill it out. I threw mine in the garbage after I ripped it up. I found out that Lockheed Martin (US Military Contractor that makes a living off of killing people) got the contract for the census to gather up privet info on us. Fuck these corrupted evil bastards and their census. Our Gov is so corrupted and it is going to get a lot worse before it gets any better. There is a major conspiracy against we the people and we have NOBODY looking out for our best interest. Unite.
@brooss That is because anthropologists no longer consider "race" because the DNA of humans has NO race chromosome. Having different skin color is just a small factor and we end up being pretty much all the same. Hatred and color identity are taught and not part of the human experience.
Excellent video and commentary !!! I had never even heard of the "American Community Survey" until I received my notice in the mail today.I am planning several options for completing the survey,one is to mark non-public questions with private,the other is to not do it at all and mail it back with a letter asking under what authority is this being done.Housing questions,if you own a home,is public anyway via county records so thats no big deal,the rest is or should be unconstitutional.
@crazyassassinkill My video was about the USA, I have no knowledge of the UK's census. First, check if anybody ever DID get fined. In the USA it's a bluff. Our Constitution protects private records. Perhaps resolve how, under the Magna Carta, private information may be protected and be prepared to present that. Send a preemptive legal affidavit to them declaring your right to privacy. It buys you time and puts the burden of response upon them. Every right must be taken. Good luck.
@crazyassassinkill write a letter to them for a reason why you shouldnt and then fill the census paper in
in your letter please explain how you feel , etc . im 15 by the way , so do what u want, i dont want you to get fined but at the same time i dont want to fill it in, well like i said im 15 , and im too young to fill it in
@MrCheekymonkey1996 Well done. Very few people of your age understand their right to demand evidence of jurisdiction before pandering to self-proclaimed authorities.
Thanks, Jerry, I so appreciate your investigative work and thoughtful insights! Wow!
A great blog on this subject, google: Don't back down, Chad Everett, American Community Survey. It is a several year running blog on this subject.
No one, that I could find, has ever been fined over this, but on Chad's blog I found the Rutherford Institute would represent for free anyone who is fined over refusing to answer. See Posted by Nancy in Texas | May 28, 2010 1:55 PM
Don't even open the letter. Write NO CONTRACT - RETURN TO SENDER on the envelope and pop it back in the post. If someone turns up at your door don't open it. Walk away.
THINK ABOUT IT. The UK is a country which claims to be FREE where people have a right to privacy. So, if people are FORCED to fill in a Census under threat of fines, do they live in a free country. Clearly not. CHOOSE to be FREE - ignore it.
In 2001 over 1.5 MILLION families were wise enough NOT complete a Census form.
This guy is very well spoken he almost sounds like hes a speaker for the CIA but i like the way hes trying too show the complete corrupt and ridoulous laws that are passed each year without our consent i mean we the the ppl are the voice not the government who do what they like and dont speak up for there own people.
@leobluesy Are they actually prosecuting or punishing people for trying to protect their privacy? Unauthorized threats and actual punishment are two very different things. If government is actually persecuting people for doing nothing but protecting their privacy then government should expect civil order and rule of law to end very soon. That is not the conduct of sustainable governance.
@leobluesy Whenever any party accuses another party of "failure to" do something they are claiming power to command compliance that exceeds all rights and discretion of the commanded party. They are literally claiming ownership of that party. They are claiming "To NOT do whatever I say is a violation." That is totally inconsistent with any free society, the Magna Carta, The US Constitution etc. When one requires they show the source of their unlimited authority to command they fail badly.
@minivanjack Most of us are not "wise" to the way they can "scare" compliance by writing more and more self protection regulations. No doubt the untrained can still get bitten badly if they make a stand, but stands need to be made somehow.
@leobluesy It comes down to this. Demand they show jurisdiction down to the last technical perfection, and always challenge that jurisdiction in every way possible. (The ultimate truth is that government has no jurisdiction but that derived from the governed). If everyone did that there would not be a government on earth that would have the resources or authority to prevail. ... Be the sovereign.
Jerry's jumping eyebrows made me fall into an anti-gumment tea party trance. Census GPS? I was waiting for it. RedState icon Erick Erickson had his wife waiting fur that there census Gumberment agent with shotgun locked-n-loaded. Trees of liberty needs to be watered with the blood of tyrants (guess who) & patriots & bla bla bla. U can hide behind the Constitution, the Bible, Zeitgeist, libertatianism, your eyebrows, to say just about anything & the Tea Birchers do exactly that.-)
@danger0usknowledge You seem to be rambling. Nobody "invoked the John Birch society" Your comments do not seem to fall under the classification of "intelligent discussion". You seem to be here here to divert, provoke conflict and agitate. Please do that somewhere else.
@10zimmer Voters wanting my private information have no right or claim to it no matter how many of them vote to have government steal it. Human rights are superior to mob rule.
@minivanjack do you pay taxes…yes, then the irs has your data. are you a registered voter…yes, the gov. has your data. do own a car…DMV has your data. not only the census collects info. but only the census doesn't care about identities.
@10zimmer Look at that list. We certainly have a lot of work to do to recover our privacy and protect our personal information. By the way, travel is a right and may not lawfully be licensed. Are you one of the jokers who supports government taking your money and calling travel a "privilege"?
@minivanjack you willing gave that data (as i assume you did) for a good you use. The poplus wants accurate legislation, then data must be used to make sure the legislation is appropriate. I see nothing wrong with the gov'ren knowing that the poplus is what they think it is. and i'm fine with paying taxes, if they help me in the long run.
Also travel is a right. driving a car is not. you can ride a bike, walk, take a train, etc. but i pray you do not drive with out knowing how to.
You have no concept of rights. Driving is a right unless you harm somebody while doing it. Travel of any kind is a right, even more so when roads are built with public funds.
driving is not a right, because there must be insurance that every who is driving is capable of driving, thus making driving regulable for the safety of ALL.
also from public funds≠public good. public funds are governmental moneys, public goods are for anyone.
@10zimmer "Public funds=public good?" So the government is full of angels willing to show us where every cent goes? What planet are you from?
Please understand something. You are very confused. Driving is a right and travel is a right. Requiring people to buy insurance and to pay for licenses for lawful behavior is a privilege that has been exploited by government over-reach. Like you, I was told in school that "driving is a right". Unlike you, I looked it up.
@minivanjack please reread my comment, it says "public funds≠public good"
i grew up knowing that driving is a privilege. What gives the right to operate something that so dangerous, and an infrastructure owned and maintained by the government, a licence given by the government stating that you know how to use the vehicle and the roads.
roads are not public goods. they are paid for by taxes, taxes such as those levied by licences.
yes you can drive, but it without roads, you can't drive.
@10zimmer "I grew up knowing..." is that a legal reference? You can feel privileged to drive all you want. It is a right as long as it is done harmlessly. That's what our Constitution says. Any statute or code that says otherwise is lying. You can kill someone with a pencil, do they license pencils? Very soon most Americans will not have the money to pay all these presumed public obligations. It simply will not happen. I suggest you prepare yourself.
@minivanjack show me where in the constitution it says driving is a right. the car wasn't even invented. Therefore, driving is not a right, because the constitution doesn't say so.
the government changes with time, as does society.
roads are not public goods. they are paid for by taxes, taxes such as those levied by licences.
if you want to use a something run by the a public entity, then you must pay for it. licences are how they do it, thus making driving a privilege.
@10zimmer You have no knowledge of Law. The Constitution LIMITS government and ENUMERATES it's powers. Government MAY NOT do anything if not granted authority by the Constitution. That means you have to show me where the Constitution denies me the right to travel, drive or blow bubbles into my root beer. We don't pay government for "privileges". Government must leave us alone if we are not harming others. Anything we pay taxes for is for a benefit government owes us WITHOUT license or permit.
@minivanjack: Nope. Our rights are inherent. A person or government can only take them away, not grant them.
The fact that the Bill of Rights does not grant rights is proven in two ways.
One way is that U.S. Declaration of Independence: "...all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."
The other way can be seen by simply reading the Bill of Rights itself. Every part of it directs governmental operations, not individual actions.
@Pafoofnik1 You are correct. I used the word "grant" incorrectly. Rights are not granted by the BOR, they are affirmed and protected. Either way, for 10zimmer and others, we have right of travel, driving and all other harmless behavior unless we knowingly and voluntarily waive the right. Forced licensing of a harmless act is not voluntary and it is not lawful. Yes, your government commits criminal violations every day. Everyone from the police officer to the Legislator is culpable.
@minivanjack: Well said. This is why I try to counter any attempt to say something like "Driving is a privilege" when it is not.
I think it helps to keep the mindset that we, not the government, run this country. Instead of thinking "if I don't behave, then the government will take away my rights", we should instead be thinking "if the government messes this up, then we'll get someone else to do the job."
@10zimmer: Driving is a right. We as a nation have decided that driving on certain public roads require the possession of a license indicating proficiency in controlling the listed vehicle.
Possession of this license is a right, once the holder demonstrates the abilities listed on the license. The license cannot be rescinded without just cause.
@Pafoofnik1 The majority does not have right to deny the rights of any individual. Driving is a right, travel is a right. Harmless behavior may not lawfully be infringed.
Cause is not required for rescission, only notice is required.
@minivanjack however they don't use them. I don't know where they go, however the datasets don't use them, nor to census reports, because what does one lil' Mr.X matter in a nation of almost 400million? and also, why does it really matter. in todays world, virtually nothing is private. Heck, just take 9 random digits and you got a SSN. every hospital has the names of who was born there, every church has the names of it's parish. privacy is just a false mindset.
One lil' Mr. X Like the 100,000 Japanese who were interned in desert camps from Census data? "Yes, the Census Bureau Director has even apologized for it. You're just lil' Mr. X until government wants to mess with you.
@10zimmer It's not quite clear what you mean there, but the Constitution only permits counting of people. It does not require anyone to be counted or to provide personal information. It does not permit government to require anything of a citizen in the collection of the census count.
@minivanjack the census doesn't care about the identity of Mr.X. However you seem to believe that ethnicity is the same as identity. once can count the ethnicity of the nation, by standing on street corners and no one would mind. doing it via census is just more efficient. The end goal is the same: COUNT the make-up of the nation, as to appropriate fund according (which were sanctioned by the people)
the name is not what matter, but the needed demographic info. So they can determine the poplous
@10zimmer Once again, the government has no right to demographic data. They can count people but they can't lawfully penalize anyone for non-cooperation and they can't lawfully discriminate on the basis of ethnicity so they shouldn't be collecting any data except for the number who consent to be counted in each residence, and they may only do that once in ten years.
@10zimmer So you are one of those people all happy about the "free" statistics you get to study. Here's how it works. If you want to study my private information, you buy it from me, if I want to sell it. You don't get to have the government steal it for you.
Any law that considers demographic classes is discriminatory and needs to be done away with.
@minivanjack if you want to do research on job creation and income migration to be able to figure out why some state are dying while others are thriving, then you can go count…oh say… a million people. I pay for the data i use, and it is data that is used by people to figure how to help and understand our nation. if you are scared if a name being attached to something…rest assured, there is no name, address, lat/long, or anything. the closest is county.
Vote for Ron Paul and he will make sure our constitution is restored! <3
DrNoMoreBigGov 2 weeks ago
Our Gov. has trashed our Constitution....and passed laws & bills so that our Constitution is no longer valid anymore. All the people that exercise the long lost rights...though they may be right still wind up in jail... and paying lawyers... ect. The law men in enforcement... along with...even census takers...takes it as a challenge when you exercise your C. rights. We are all criminals!!! Thanks Obamma & Company.
popcorncrow 3 weeks ago
A census taker once tried to test me; I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti.
SecretService80 4 weeks ago
"When they come to my door it is the Census taker who will be answering my questions"....sounds like he's advocating "shooting the messenger" and not the Census Bureau, instead of attacking the Census taker, which I think some are volunteers, why not try to inform them in an non-confrontational way.
JuanOfaKind88 1 month ago
@JuanOfaKind88 Fine, be polite all you want. Just remember it is the person at your door threatening and intimidating you while the people back at that CB are laughing at the stupidity, gullibility and desperation of the Census Worker for doing their "legwork" without even realizing what they are doing. You do the Census Worker a favor by explaining things, rude or polite.
minivanjack 1 month ago
This is so silly. This information helps YOUR government to help YOU.
csiwhore 1 month ago
@csiwhore I guess you and we have different governments. The U.S. government does not collect information to help us, it collects information to tax and control us.
minivanjack 1 month ago
@csiwhore nope , government dont help me , i pay for everything even for banks in US
im in a better place now, got free land , free loan to build my house , free utilty and TAX free
Uaegnome 1 month ago
@Uaegnome Your comments are inconsistent. You are off-grid, but you want government to collect information on everybody. You are starting to look like a robotic agitator.
minivanjack 1 month ago
@minivanjack who said i want government to collect information on everybody? i dont , all im saying i gave up my green card and moved away from so called dream land aka US , im in a much better place now with much less bullshit
Uaegnome 1 month ago
@Uaegnome Please tell us where you went. I would love to show that to our govt as an example.
minivanjack 1 month ago
@minivanjack UAE
Uaegnome 1 month ago
I have a great video by ronald reagan on my channel please check it out
TomekHujek988 1 month ago
I did not comply and used there laws against them :) video proof uploaded on my channel :)
photo2wrush 1 month ago
Why did this guy disable comments on video 2? Makes him look like he now only wants his comments up like Michele Beckman does. Any one that disables comments loses all credibility. Too bad because I likes everything he is discovering, too late, but better late than never.
What he fails to do is discover that we don't have a Constitution anymore. Obama just declared war on all Americans that disagree with his laws protecting the criminal banksters and the criminal federal government.
stophypocrisy 1 month ago
@stophypocrisy Videos that are judged "anti-government" become subject to destructive childish and organized attacks.Government apparently has unlimited resources and operatives to harass and disrupt. We are given no choice but control the agitators. I will not host hate and ignorance. I am doing you a favor.
minivanjack 1 month ago
@stophypocrisy
Why not? It's HIS video to do with as he chooses!
mallardhead 1 month ago
My wife and I are being harrassed. First it was our rental house and now the house we live in. They said our first house was a one in a million random selection and now another "one in a million selection?" They threatened us with a $500 fine for every question we don't answer. The questions are about finances, mortgages, income, credit cards, etc. The dizzy bitch comes during the day, during suppertime, calls after 9pm and even while my wife was preparing Thanksgiving dinner. WTF!
BourneAccident 2 months ago
@BourneAccident Luckily, all you have to do is repeat "Show me your Constitutional authority and court order (warrant) to demand my personal information". If you want, you can also say "If you ignore my demand to be left alone, each time you disturb us and trespass it will cost you $5,000.00, unless of course you can show me your Constitutional authority and court order (warrant) to demand my personal information."
minivanjack 2 months ago
@minivanjack - Thanks... I'm making a note of it for the next time... which I'm sure will be soon.. Happy T-Day!
BourneAccident 2 months ago
Please provide a copy of the long form..I have only seen a short form. Please provide
the website that the forms can be seen on if you have one. thanks.
0421cher 2 months ago
@0421cher They may not allow the link here. The trick version is below. I will send non-trick link to your YouTube page message box.
Census ACS form: (triple--w) d-o-t census d-o-t- gov s-l-a-s-h acs s-l-a-s-h questionnaires s-l-a-s-h 2011 s-l-a-s-h Quest11 d-o-t pdf.
minivanjack 2 months ago
I have a great video by ronald reagan on my channel please check it out
Anonymous1226 2 months ago
The Alex Jones Channel...censors its channel.
frickadele 3 months ago
We are Governed by consent !!...
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These sons of bitches won't leave us alone. I've lost count of how many times they've come here. I refuse to do it.
catitude4 4 months ago
the royal canadian census man is the funniest vidoe on youtube
MrVierte 4 months ago
Those who want to hear a different view search "Jack Layton on Deeper Implications of Census Debate" on YouTube, of course it's for Canada, but it will give you a perspective you might not have be aware of. Notice that Census data was used to show worsening social inequality which is indicative to the current government's failure to help the poor.
Yellowknight888 5 months ago
@Yellowknight888 If someone permits "government to help the poor" you are guaranteed failure.
minivanjack 5 months ago
@minivanjack It's out of topic on whether the gov should be permitted to help the poor, and if all forms/executions have been a failure in the past; yet it's a general presumption government is supposed to help the disadvantage, my point is, the census data itself provides solid proof, according to Mr. Layton in the video, that there is something not doing effectively by the government; which contradicts the viewpoint that census data is nothing but gov's tool to take advantage of us.
Yellowknight888 5 months ago
@minivanjack The government can't give you anything without taking it from someone else first.
ErlangerVeritas 3 months ago
they send one to me, i'll fill it out, and answer every question with "none of your business". F you U.S. Government!
MrJochenPeiper 5 months ago
the questions that they ask in certain census question-airs and interviews is for certain reasons. if you want to know why they are asking certain questions then ask the government not the telephone rep that gets paid $10 per hour or less. you flustered the rep and thats why you did not receive answers.
latestavon 6 months ago
@latestavon If the telephone rep can't answer questions they shouldn't be paid anything.
minivanjack 6 months ago
for example: What is your highest level of education?
regardless of your answer they could ask why
when asking why they are looking for reasons that they may be able to help for future generations.
if you dropped out of highschool to help your sick father, they may add funding to middle aged government-provided-medical plans
if you went through some college and dropped out because you were not receiving enough financial aid to continue, they may add more funding to college students.
latestavon 6 months ago
@latestavon They don't ask why you dropped out and they don't use that to calculate appropriations. Appropriations are made based on political expedianecy, seniority in congress, control of committees, incumbency advantage, and corrupt off-the-record backroom deals. And regardless of any census results EVERY government agency will ALWAYS jockey for more funding, and they will nearly always get. If they fail, they "need" more funding. if they succeed they "deserve" more funding".
minivanjack 6 months ago
you were asking questions that an average telephone representative would not know the answers to. census takers and telephone reps are not the ones that make the decisions of what questions to ask and why. the government asks the questions that they do to see what is going wrong and what is going right. they want to know what programs to create to enhance american life. they want to know which programs can be canceled (although they never cancel any programs they just simply cut funding)
latestavon 6 months ago
@latestavon You speak as if you know what government wants. It is obvious that you don't. Government "wants" to give away 60 trillion dollars in senseless "bailouts", it "wants" to unlawfully attack foreign countries without declarations of war or any clear defensive imperative. It "wants" to allow big pharma, big agriculture, big energy and the military to serve as wealth-draining oligopolies at the expense of the public interest. It doesn't "want" to enhance American life.
minivanjack 5 months ago
"Those pesky census takers" are generally people out of work looking to support thier families. A lot of them just pencil-whip the answers anyway.
CAP084CDC 6 months ago
@CAP084CDC So never question any activity that someone claims they are doing "to support their families".
minivanjack 6 months ago
@ForeverAloneFaceIV That's just weird. The government's not stealing anyone's details. The Census is done so people can use aggregated statistics for decision making on things like funding and investment.
Winmar 6 months ago
@Winmar You pretend to know what the government does with private information? Exactly where did you go to find that out? If you come back here with pretenses and comments like "that's just weird" you will be blocked.
minivanjack 6 months ago
@minivanjack Well I think it's weird to come out with contentions like that without anything to back it up. I work for the government, and know full well that the data isn't used for anything other than its stated purpose. Other departments share data with each other (tax, social security etc), but census data is used for statistical purposes only.
Winmar 6 months ago
@Winmar What you are saying is not supported by the facts. Since you work for government please tell me how I can look into government records and processes to confirm what you are saying. To claim something is "innocent" when it works in secret and cannot be verified is pretty ridiculous.
minivanjack 6 months ago
@Winmar:
The United States Census Bureau assisted the internment efforts by providing confidential neighborhood information on Japanese Americans.
Source: Scientific American March 30, 2007
Pafoofnik1 6 months ago
"...whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."
I will not give my personal information to criminals.
BlackAdderLXX 6 months ago
Just in case anyone here was wondering what evil data the ACS part of the Census was collecting, look up "The Geography of How We Get to Work" on TheAtlantic.
Taospark 6 months ago
Your underlying assumption of government will misuse your personal information given to census is purely derived from your fantasy and sense of false social justice. I doubt you can find any real hard evidence that the gov has used census info for bad deeds.Your argument is as one-sided as anyone could get, do you even know how important it is for reliable and complete census information to help identify social problems and allocate government findings?
Yellowknight888 6 months ago
@Yellowknight888 In World War II 100,000 Japanese Americans were interned in concentration camps in the California desert, and they were rounded up with Census data. The Census Department issued a public apology for that. Government uses census data whenever it concocts an "emergency". Census data is not to "identify social problems and allocate government findings", it is to pinpoint groups for new programs of taxation.
minivanjack 6 months ago
@minivanjack If this is the most relevant and up-to-date historical evidence you can present, you should see that is an isolated incident rather than a continuous trend. Surgical knives can save lives until a murderer comes in and uses it to hurt someone. Let's put it this way, some jurisdictions might or might not choose to use the census data for allocation their funding; but without the census data, it NOT POSSIBLE for the government to identify certain issues like poverty $ aging population.
Yellowknight888 6 months ago
@Yellowknight888 Whether relevant or up-to-date, it demonstrates the error of your comment. Government has shown itself to be a total failure at stealing and diverting resources for poverty and aging. We have more poverty than ever, and aging is as difficult as ever, and trillions have been stolen and spent to "solve" those problems. How bad does government have to be before you see where the real problem is? We need to keep our money and solve our own problems.
minivanjack 6 months ago
@Yellowknight888: You made a statement that "I doubt you can find any real hard evidence that the gov has used census info for bad deeds".
minivanjack provided that evidence.
Pafoofnik1 6 months ago
Go to: cbs()gov()il/census/census/pnimi_sub_page_e()html?id_topic=1&id_subtopic=5. I don't know your familiarity in statistics, epidemiology and public health. I deal with these on a regular basis at the government setting, and I need to compute statistical estimates that are used to evaluate social programs & funding decisions, & many times I do need the census information to calculate these numbers in the population. Plainly stated, without accurate data, ur heading nowhere.
Yellowknight888 6 months ago
@Yellowknight888 Just because you want data, or data is "important" does not mean it should be free or people should be forced to disclose personal information. If you like data so much why don't you pay for it?
minivanjack 6 months ago
That shows u have no expertise in the fields I mentioned. And no I don't "like" data per se, but it's essential for improving a nation as a whole, particularly the most marginalized ie: new immigrants and Aboriginals. Sounded like the thing concern u the most is taxation, 1) for those ppl living in poverty keeping their money doesn't suffice, 2) if gov't wants to increase tax, they don't need an excuse from census.
Yellowknight888 6 months ago
... And sounded like ok to you to release the info as long as you are given enough financial compensation. I am not saying the gov is perfect, far from it, but could you see the point I am making that with the right data at least analysts or researchers can make the case that the gov isn't doing enough (ie: growing unemployment or single mothers) and make a case based on truth, and without it, none can point the finger in the right direction, because we don't know how (un)healthy the pop is.
Yellowknight888 6 months ago
@Yellowknight888 You seem unable to even imagine that unemployment, single mothers (if that is a problem) and health are any of government's concern in the first place. Many of the problems in those areas are CAUSED by government. For instance, every dollar spent on government is a dollar not spent on a commercially productive job or innovative enterprise. Every dollar taken in taxes is a dollar that cannot be saved & spent on the health care and retirement of the person earning the dollar.
minivanjack 6 months ago
@minivanjack 1) You seem unable to even do a little research before commmenting (people()bu()edu/kotlikof/Health%20Care%20Spending%20Tables()pdf), in percentage US spends about the same % from national income comparing to other developed countries, but in absolute figures, it spends more than any of them. 2) You have a strange intuition that government's "bad" decisions are somehow linked to having complete and quality data analysts and researchers can study on?
Yellowknight888 6 months ago
@Yellowknight888 It is obvious that government is the least efficient, most unfair and least accountable way to administer charity and coerced "redistribution" of earnings. Why would I want the government to do that or have statistics with which to contemplate doing that?
minivanjack 6 months ago
@minivanjack May I then ask you, are you against the government or the census, because it is a huge difference. I agreed especially in the US healthcare system, the government wasn't making the most effective decisions. And when you say the government is the least efficient, most unfair and least accountable. If you are not pulling this out of thin air, these statements are back up by something, what will that be? Evidence, statistics, and trends, these are all coming from information gathering.
Yellowknight888 6 months ago
@Yellowknight888 You may have a simple question, like exactly how could my name be re-associated with my census data if the government claimed some "emergency" where they wanted to put me in an internment camp (like the Japanese in WWII). Who do you call? How do you reach a responsible party? Do you think you'll get a clear and complete answer? No, the government is not accountable, and anyone who wants a question answered knows that.
minivanjack 6 months ago
@minivanjack Also, imagine a world without government regulating taxation and redistribution of wealth, there will always be a group of people making below the min living standard, do you really think the voluntary donation will be sufficient? Do you evidence that people in the world are that altruistic and selfless, Japan maybe, the US I highly doubt it (look at the looting after Katrina) And who monitor these charity org so they don't become corrupted as often seen in developing countries?
Yellowknight888 6 months ago
@Yellowknight888 Most of the problems of Katrina were caused by government failures, all the way down to Army Corpse of Engineers corruption which caused the levy failures. Read the news. People were murdered by panicking police. People had their means of defense (guns) seized by force by government, people were herded into sports stadium squalor and abandoned for weeks. FEMA wasn't even on the scene until 4 days after the flood, four days after Wal-Mart was there passing out relief supplies
minivanjack 6 months ago
@minivanjack It's the government's problem that someone decided to break the apple store's glass windows to steal all the merchandise, and it's government's problem that hurricane came and destroyed the city so it's okay to rape women against their will at the time of utmost vulnerability? Heroes and cowards emerged from emergencies because of their OWN NATURE. No government in the world can handle emergency perfectly, blaming it on the gov for their crimes is just silly.
Yellowknight888 5 months ago
@Yellowknight888 Crimes, yes, they are well documented, but more than that, failures. Government was designed to be deliberative, slow, redundant and inclusive. It was not designed to be an emergency response service.
minivanjack 5 months ago
@minivanjack Not clear what your response meant, do you still put blame on government for the looting and crimes by the individuals in New Orlean??? We are not talking about protest by citizens against human rights, or these looters need to commit these crimes in order to survive, they robbed, stole, and raped out of their own corrupted nature, nothing to do with the government.
Yellowknight888 5 months ago
@Yellowknight888 @Yellowknight888 So, you are talking about non-governmental looters, rapists and thieves? That has nothing to do with the census. Except to show that government is useless in an emergency, and the census is even more useless.
minivanjack 5 months ago
@minivanjack You are missing my points here, I am not saying the census will miraculously save people from disasters. I bring that up to illustrate people (at least the majority) are not as selfless and altruistic to help others *voluntarily* which is your argument derives from (your claims: gov bad at allocating resources effectively, so get rid of gov, let we donate to charities by free will) but my point is there will not be as sufficient number of these selfless people as you hope).
Yellowknight888 5 months ago
@Yellowknight888 Your points don't seem to be related to the privacy and property invasions of the ACS and the census process.
minivanjack 5 months ago
@minivanjack Of course it does. If I am right, your whole argument goes like this: the US gov is incompetent in many things including protecting census privacy and misuse of census data, so the best thing is to disengage from them and claim our own rights, in cases of public health issues and emergency situations we will do fine on our own based on our own altruism, but I present you evidence "based on public's own free will and moral" with no control by government will be far worse.
Yellowknight888 5 months ago
@Yellowknight888 You are not right. If you attempt to put "my argument" in your own words again you will be blocked from this page. You are on a page where individual rights are highly valued and collectivism is recognized as corrupt, wasteful, exploitive, coercive and violent. Your wonderful government gets its way by putting a gun to my head. I suggest you go elsewhere to find people who share your enthusiasm for tyranny.
minivanjack 5 months ago
@minivanjack Then please enlighten me, what exactly is your structure of ur argument and how is it different from my description from my previous post. I tried to simplify and condense it so ppl can have an intelligent discussion, and you simply dismiss it without clarifying where I was wrong. And secondly, why not contemplate a little of the freedom your US government has granted your freedom of speech on YouTube that many people in some countries can only dream of.
Yellowknight888 5 months ago
@Yellowknight888 My argument, and the fact, is that government is not authorized or Constitutionally permitted to demand our private information under threat of force.
Separately, free speech means neither government, YouTube or I may punish you for what you say. It does not mean we have to provide distribution, publication or "posting" of your speech. You are free to create your own YouTube page for that. Your right to speak does not cause anyone to have any obligation to host or listen to it.
minivanjack 5 months ago
@minivanjack I wholeheartedly agree with your point of view that government should not pose any threat for those who are unwilling to provide their private information. However, my question is, do people have some moral obligation if the census data is important to generate data much needed for health-related research and that the government ensures the data will not be misused? Or do you believe that people should never disclose their info under any circumstance?
Yellowknight888 5 months ago
@Yellowknight888 People have the right to determine what they will and will not disclose. You may think "health-related research" is very important. Someone else may think it is important to sell your daughter into slave trade. They don't get to take your daughter and government doesn't get to take people's private and personal information. We have rights or we don't.
minivanjack 5 months ago
@minivanjack I agree people have different values, I value health-related issues doesn't mean you or others have to adopt the same ideology. As fruits for thought, under what circumstances or sets of parameter should (morally obligated) people voluntarily participate in census or other surveys?
Yellowknight888 5 months ago
@Yellowknight888 "Should"?, Like you or I have any right to say what someone else "should" do? Neither you or I are dictators deciding what "moral obligations" people have. Everyone gets to decide for themselves (themselves only) what private information they will give away. Period. When someone in government thought how cool it would be to ask citizens for private information they did not invent any new powers for the state. They get to ask, we get to say no. They are our servants.
minivanjack 5 months ago
@Yellowknight888 said: "under what circumstances or sets of parameter should (morally obligated) people voluntarily participate in census or other surveys?"
When they can voluntarily participate.
Pafoofnik1 5 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 Notice you use the words "should" and "voluntarily". If "should" turns into an obligation then it is not voluntary.
minivanjack 5 months ago
@minivanjack: Exactly. I do not believe that we have given the government constitutional authority to require any more information than a head count.
Without constitutional backing, I am free to decline to any further questions... And I have... And I will continue to do so until the Constitution is changed.
Pafoofnik1 5 months ago
@Yellowknight888 By the way, hundreds of thousands of government files and millions of private records have been lost, hacked, misused, stolen, compromised and improperly released. Have you ever seen government voluntarily compensate anyone for that? If someone in government "ensures" data security they are lying.
minivanjack 5 months ago
3) Seems like you are saying if government ceases to exist and no longer governing/regulating the population, our upper class will save money from being taxed and then will altruistically help the poor and needed? Please let me know what leads you to believe in such fantasy world? ... the truth you won't wanna hear about it, yes, the US gov't isn't spend money in healthcare most effectively (tho comparing to many developing countries, it's still passable), but taking away data, it will NEVER be.
Yellowknight888 6 months ago
@Yellowknight888 I believe in the "fantasy" that charity is more targeted, efficient and effective in a private system because that's exactly what it was before our welfare state was created. Even the most evil and greedy blood-sucking elite (Carnegie, Rothschilds, Rockefellers, etc.) sponsored huge philanthropic efforts. Under private supervision by people who actually care the outcomes are four times better per dollar donated with much less overhead than tax-based programs.
minivanjack 6 months ago
we are anonymous, we are aware of the corruption in the world's governments and their apathy for the human lives because of money.
we are aware of the governments' attempt to cover on the news of the rebellions to keep us as slaves for the current system.
we are anonymous, we declare war on the corrupted system, join the plan to get your freedom and rights back. you are a human being, your life has value. we are anonymous, we are legion, expect us!
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AnonPerception 7 months ago
@AnonPerception
We not only expect you, we are counting on you.
Unfortunately, that site requires "registration", and any registration list may be seized by "authorized" opponents of liberty and freedom. Also, registration does not protect anonymous because infiltrators can easily register anonymously, so registrants can expect to be hacked by anonymous as a basic security measure. Is there any way to advance the agenda without "registration"?
minivanjack 7 months ago
@minivanjack dont worry nothing illegal takes place on that site so there is no need to fear it
AnonPerception 7 months ago
@AnonPerception If anonymous gets infiltrated by, or associated with, a false-flag government-sponsored murdering psycho, everybody on that registration list will be code yellow to DHS. We live in difficult times. It is problematic that something called "anonymous" requires registration. Anonymous needs to have some kind of anonymous options for people who wish to make a difference in their own safe and measured way.
minivanjack 7 months ago
@minivanjack i understand why you feel that way i too feel that way sometimes, but i have no fear of the government. If you do not wish to join then i understand but may i suggest registration with a proxy service that way even the website will not have your ip
AnonPerception 7 months ago
Please see my video called:
I GOT THE 2011 CENSUS AND I FIND IT VERY INTRUSIVE TO MY RIGHT TO PRIVACY
Here is the link to it below:
/watch?v=sx_fGdI1voY
narukofan2 7 months ago
I MADE DEALING WITH THE DOOR CENSUS WORKER EASY ALL 6 TIMES THEY CAME TO MY HOUSE!!!!! I JUST SLAMMED THE DOOR IN THERE FACE !!!!!!
kentwesterly 7 months ago
How is it that Canada has a nearly identical "requirement" for answering Census questions?
TeddyLeper 7 months ago
Slaves UNITE
mba2ceo 7 months ago
According to the Charter of Rights Freedom of Religion but more importantly according to GODS LAW KING JAMES BIBLE: :One could successfully argue that any Census is from the DEVIL. REASON BEING the old testament. "1 chronicle 21:1 Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel...." asa result God punished Israel and destroy 70,000 people (Israeli's) WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE THE CANADA BEAST CENSUS!
Jointheir777 7 months ago
They are collecting all of this info and gps coordinates in advance of the implementation martial law. Once they have an excuse to declare martial law (wether a real emergency or contrived) they will do so, and once that happens, they begin rounding up "dissidents". This is all in preperation for the new world order that the neo-cons are working toward. If the census worker has already gotten your info, quietly move right away. If not, then try to avoid talking to them at all costs.
Nakor420ish 8 months ago
@Nakor420ish PROVINCES JOINED THE DOMINION OF CANADA not "canada" Hence no new agreement made with each province:Under this new name.;so their laws are" FUNTUS DEFICIO "meaning no longer functional. This is also an excellent argument for not taking the Census.
Jointheir777 7 months ago
I pay my rent, council tax, tv license, parking, NI, Tax, car tax, high fuel prices, over inflated rip off food prices, water rates, escalated and pocket theiving gas and electricity prices yet I get a letter saying if I don't fill in a form telling them (even more) the ins and outs of a cow's asshole in the Census that I will be fined £1,000 and possible jail ?
What fucking services ?I don't even get afree bin bag through my door
fuck them up their asses, they can drop dead, pisstakers.
sweetypie000 8 months ago
@sweetypie000 WHAT GOOD HAS EVER BECOME OF TAKING A CENSUS IN CANADA BESIDES HIGHER TAXES AND FREEBIES FOR POLITICIANS? OBEY GOD INSTEAD!
Jointheir777 7 months ago
@Jointheir777 Don't fill it out. I threw mine in the garbage after I ripped it up. I found out that Lockheed Martin (US Military Contractor that makes a living off of killing people) got the contract for the census to gather up privet info on us. Fuck these corrupted evil bastards and their census. Our Gov is so corrupted and it is going to get a lot worse before it gets any better. There is a major conspiracy against we the people and we have NOBODY looking out for our best interest. Unite.
4truthjusticefreedom 7 months ago
@Jointheir777 Live live Bacchus!
beerman1957 7 months ago
the census gauges how many of the "non-colored" people (e.g., arabs, asians, hispanics, and natives) perceive themselves as "black" or "white."
brooss 8 months ago
@brooss That is because anthropologists no longer consider "race" because the DNA of humans has NO race chromosome. Having different skin color is just a small factor and we end up being pretty much all the same. Hatred and color identity are taught and not part of the human experience.
beerman1957 7 months ago
I clicked this because I was trying to find Aladdin 5: Jafar Answers the Census.
spinemelter2000 8 months ago
760 people have no problem giving up their right to privacy!
compukenny 8 months ago
See my video called:
I GOT THE 2011 CENSUS AND I FIND IT VERY INTRUSIVE TO MY RIGHT TO PRIVACY
Here is the link to my video below:
/watch?v=sx_fGdI1voY
This video shows what I think and feel about the CENSUS.
narukofan2 8 months ago
Excellent video and commentary !!! I had never even heard of the "American Community Survey" until I received my notice in the mail today.I am planning several options for completing the survey,one is to mark non-public questions with private,the other is to not do it at all and mail it back with a letter asking under what authority is this being done.Housing questions,if you own a home,is public anyway via county records so thats no big deal,the rest is or should be unconstitutional.
vangard213 8 months ago
great video...I'm going to feature this on my Channel
compukenny 8 months ago
Great video.
NoGuff 8 months ago
very nicely put jerry, thank you so much!!
dazz1ful 8 months ago
word up jerry
a uk brother is down with yah
cool work
stephen22564 8 months ago
Well said Jerry! :)
kevinkoda 8 months ago
i got this small paper telling me i could be fined £1000 plz reply!
crazyassassinkill 8 months ago
@crazyassassinkill My video was about the USA, I have no knowledge of the UK's census. First, check if anybody ever DID get fined. In the USA it's a bluff. Our Constitution protects private records. Perhaps resolve how, under the Magna Carta, private information may be protected and be prepared to present that. Send a preemptive legal affidavit to them declaring your right to privacy. It buys you time and puts the burden of response upon them. Every right must be taken. Good luck.
minivanjack 8 months ago
@crazyassassinkill write a letter to them for a reason why you shouldnt and then fill the census paper in
in your letter please explain how you feel , etc . im 15 by the way , so do what u want, i dont want you to get fined but at the same time i dont want to fill it in, well like i said im 15 , and im too young to fill it in
MrCheekymonkey1996 8 months ago
@MrCheekymonkey1996 Well done. Very few people of your age understand their right to demand evidence of jurisdiction before pandering to self-proclaimed authorities.
minivanjack 8 months ago
Thanks, Jerry, I so appreciate your investigative work and thoughtful insights! Wow!
A great blog on this subject, google: Don't back down, Chad Everett, American Community Survey. It is a several year running blog on this subject.
No one, that I could find, has ever been fined over this, but on Chad's blog I found the Rutherford Institute would represent for free anyone who is fined over refusing to answer. See Posted by Nancy in Texas | May 28, 2010 1:55 PM
1980january1 9 months ago
*burns census*
FLASH1080wxjc 9 months ago
I shredded mine
llmasterkll 9 months ago
FUCK THE GOVERNMENT!
nkb9876 9 months ago
Gotta love how the government breaks the law but when you accuse them or refuse to take part your the one prosecuted.
litematter 9 months ago
usa have census aswell so it's not just uk
unknownmushey 10 months ago
Good questions
jantheempress 10 months ago
What a great speaker.
ddsharper 10 months ago
Don't even open the letter. Write NO CONTRACT - RETURN TO SENDER on the envelope and pop it back in the post. If someone turns up at your door don't open it. Walk away.
THINK ABOUT IT. The UK is a country which claims to be FREE where people have a right to privacy. So, if people are FORCED to fill in a Census under threat of fines, do they live in a free country. Clearly not. CHOOSE to be FREE - ignore it.
In 2001 over 1.5 MILLION families were wise enough NOT complete a Census form.
TheH
Russe11100 10 months ago
This guy is very well spoken he almost sounds like hes a speaker for the CIA but i like the way hes trying too show the complete corrupt and ridoulous laws that are passed each year without our consent i mean we the the ppl are the voice not the government who do what they like and dont speak up for there own people.
charlieiscool1000 10 months ago
We are now filling in our 2011 census forms (1000 uk pounds fine for refusal)
Forms are intrusive.. many questions... all issued in a threatening manner.
Many are looking for legal loopholes to avoid completing.. especially this year as LOCKHEED are involved in the uk collation.
Leo London UK
leobluesy 10 months ago
@leobluesy Are they actually prosecuting or punishing people for trying to protect their privacy? Unauthorized threats and actual punishment are two very different things. If government is actually persecuting people for doing nothing but protecting their privacy then government should expect civil order and rule of law to end very soon. That is not the conduct of sustainable governance.
minivanjack 8 months ago
@minivanjack I sent mine back RETURN TO SENDER-NO CONTRACT.
They sent friendly reminders... now this..quote..
"COMPLETION AND RETURN IS A LEGAL REQUIREMENT (list of recent acts and orders)
FAILURE TO RETURN A COMPLETED QUESTIONNAIRE COULD LEAD TO A CRIMINAL RECORD AND A FINE OF UP TO £1,000"
leobluesy 8 months ago
@leobluesy Whenever any party accuses another party of "failure to" do something they are claiming power to command compliance that exceeds all rights and discretion of the commanded party. They are literally claiming ownership of that party. They are claiming "To NOT do whatever I say is a violation." That is totally inconsistent with any free society, the Magna Carta, The US Constitution etc. When one requires they show the source of their unlimited authority to command they fail badly.
minivanjack 8 months ago
@minivanjack Most of us are not "wise" to the way they can "scare" compliance by writing more and more self protection regulations. No doubt the untrained can still get bitten badly if they make a stand, but stands need to be made somehow.
Thanks for your input..
Best regards
Leo
leobluesy 8 months ago
@leobluesy It comes down to this. Demand they show jurisdiction down to the last technical perfection, and always challenge that jurisdiction in every way possible. (The ultimate truth is that government has no jurisdiction but that derived from the governed). If everyone did that there would not be a government on earth that would have the resources or authority to prevail. ... Be the sovereign.
minivanjack 8 months ago
@minivanjack Im working on it ...... thanks again for your comments..
Leo
leobluesy 8 months ago
danger0usknowledge 10 months ago
@danger0usknowledge So to invoke the Constitution is to "hide behind it". You are quite the spin artist.
minivanjack 10 months ago
@minivanjack You're old enough to remember the John Birch
Society....thank you for invoking their INSANE memory.
Fred Koch financed them in 1958.
Charles Koch, his son of Koch Industries, financed the
Tea Birchers in 2008. Perfect symmetry.
Yes sir, old right wing fearmongering reactionaries never die...
they show up on YT.-)
And Mercola.
danger0usknowledge 8 months ago
@danger0usknowledge You seem to be rambling. Nobody "invoked the John Birch society" Your comments do not seem to fall under the classification of "intelligent discussion". You seem to be here here to divert, provoke conflict and agitate. Please do that somewhere else.
minivanjack 8 months ago
Bin the census!
WellPlacedSkidMark 10 months ago
Does the same count in the UK?
TheKitchenMedia 10 months ago
@TheKitchenMedia A right exists when it is demanded and won. That applies anywhere in the universe.
minivanjack 10 months ago
Does the same count for the UK?
TheKitchenMedia 10 months ago
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10zimmer 10 months ago
@10zimmer The government has no business discriminating among demographic classes and allocating resources unequally on that basis.
minivanjack 10 months ago
@10zimmer Voters wanting my private information have no right or claim to it no matter how many of them vote to have government steal it. Human rights are superior to mob rule.
minivanjack 10 months ago
@minivanjack do you pay taxes…yes, then the irs has your data. are you a registered voter…yes, the gov. has your data. do own a car…DMV has your data. not only the census collects info. but only the census doesn't care about identities.
10zimmer 10 months ago
@10zimmer Look at that list. We certainly have a lot of work to do to recover our privacy and protect our personal information. By the way, travel is a right and may not lawfully be licensed. Are you one of the jokers who supports government taking your money and calling travel a "privilege"?
minivanjack 10 months ago
@minivanjack you willing gave that data (as i assume you did) for a good you use. The poplus wants accurate legislation, then data must be used to make sure the legislation is appropriate. I see nothing wrong with the gov'ren knowing that the poplus is what they think it is. and i'm fine with paying taxes, if they help me in the long run.
Also travel is a right. driving a car is not. you can ride a bike, walk, take a train, etc. but i pray you do not drive with out knowing how to.
10zimmer 10 months ago
@10zimmer Taxes are not helping you.
You have no concept of rights. Driving is a right unless you harm somebody while doing it. Travel of any kind is a right, even more so when roads are built with public funds.
minivanjack 10 months ago
@minivanjack public=gov'ren=from taxes
driving is not a right, because there must be insurance that every who is driving is capable of driving, thus making driving regulable for the safety of ALL.
also from public funds≠public good. public funds are governmental moneys, public goods are for anyone.
10zimmer 10 months ago
@10zimmer "Public funds=public good?" So the government is full of angels willing to show us where every cent goes? What planet are you from?
Please understand something. You are very confused. Driving is a right and travel is a right. Requiring people to buy insurance and to pay for licenses for lawful behavior is a privilege that has been exploited by government over-reach. Like you, I was told in school that "driving is a right". Unlike you, I looked it up.
minivanjack 10 months ago
@minivanjack please reread my comment, it says "public funds≠public good"
i grew up knowing that driving is a privilege. What gives the right to operate something that so dangerous, and an infrastructure owned and maintained by the government, a licence given by the government stating that you know how to use the vehicle and the roads.
roads are not public goods. they are paid for by taxes, taxes such as those levied by licences.
yes you can drive, but it without roads, you can't drive.
10zimmer 10 months ago
@10zimmer "I grew up knowing..." is that a legal reference? You can feel privileged to drive all you want. It is a right as long as it is done harmlessly. That's what our Constitution says. Any statute or code that says otherwise is lying. You can kill someone with a pencil, do they license pencils? Very soon most Americans will not have the money to pay all these presumed public obligations. It simply will not happen. I suggest you prepare yourself.
minivanjack 10 months ago
@minivanjack show me where in the constitution it says driving is a right. the car wasn't even invented. Therefore, driving is not a right, because the constitution doesn't say so.
the government changes with time, as does society.
roads are not public goods. they are paid for by taxes, taxes such as those levied by licences.
if you want to use a something run by the a public entity, then you must pay for it. licences are how they do it, thus making driving a privilege.
10zimmer 10 months ago
@10zimmer You have no knowledge of Law. The Constitution LIMITS government and ENUMERATES it's powers. Government MAY NOT do anything if not granted authority by the Constitution. That means you have to show me where the Constitution denies me the right to travel, drive or blow bubbles into my root beer. We don't pay government for "privileges". Government must leave us alone if we are not harming others. Anything we pay taxes for is for a benefit government owes us WITHOUT license or permit.
minivanjack 10 months ago
@10zimmer: The Constitution doesn't 'give' rights.
Pafoofnik1 10 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 The Bill of Rights (Constitution) grants rights. All other rights exist unless taken away by enforcement, lawful or otherwise.
minivanjack 10 months ago
@minivanjack: Nope. Our rights are inherent. A person or government can only take them away, not grant them.
The fact that the Bill of Rights does not grant rights is proven in two ways.
One way is that U.S. Declaration of Independence: "...all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."
The other way can be seen by simply reading the Bill of Rights itself. Every part of it directs governmental operations, not individual actions.
Pafoofnik1 10 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 You are correct. I used the word "grant" incorrectly. Rights are not granted by the BOR, they are affirmed and protected. Either way, for 10zimmer and others, we have right of travel, driving and all other harmless behavior unless we knowingly and voluntarily waive the right. Forced licensing of a harmless act is not voluntary and it is not lawful. Yes, your government commits criminal violations every day. Everyone from the police officer to the Legislator is culpable.
minivanjack 10 months ago
@minivanjack: Well said. This is why I try to counter any attempt to say something like "Driving is a privilege" when it is not.
I think it helps to keep the mindset that we, not the government, run this country. Instead of thinking "if I don't behave, then the government will take away my rights", we should instead be thinking "if the government messes this up, then we'll get someone else to do the job."
Pafoofnik1 10 months ago
@10zimmer: Driving is a right. We as a nation have decided that driving on certain public roads require the possession of a license indicating proficiency in controlling the listed vehicle.
Possession of this license is a right, once the holder demonstrates the abilities listed on the license. The license cannot be rescinded without just cause.
(It's a pet peeve of mine.)
Pafoofnik1 10 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 The majority does not have right to deny the rights of any individual. Driving is a right, travel is a right. Harmless behavior may not lawfully be infringed.
Cause is not required for rescission, only notice is required.
minivanjack 10 months ago
@10zimmer Data is not given to the DMV "willingly". It is taken under threat of force and harm.
minivanjack 10 months ago
@10zimmer If they didn't care about identities they wouldn't be collecting them.
minivanjack 10 months ago
@minivanjack however they don't use them. I don't know where they go, however the datasets don't use them, nor to census reports, because what does one lil' Mr.X matter in a nation of almost 400million? and also, why does it really matter. in todays world, virtually nothing is private. Heck, just take 9 random digits and you got a SSN. every hospital has the names of who was born there, every church has the names of it's parish. privacy is just a false mindset.
Also…good debate.
10zimmer 10 months ago
@10zimmer How would you know what "they use"?
One lil' Mr. X Like the 100,000 Japanese who were interned in desert camps from Census data? "Yes, the Census Bureau Director has even apologized for it. You're just lil' Mr. X until government wants to mess with you.
minivanjack 10 months ago
@minivanjack um…ethnicity is not identity. They could have simply just walked the streets an selected people.
10zimmer 10 months ago
@10zimmer It's not quite clear what you mean there, but the Constitution only permits counting of people. It does not require anyone to be counted or to provide personal information. It does not permit government to require anything of a citizen in the collection of the census count.
minivanjack 10 months ago
@minivanjack the census doesn't care about the identity of Mr.X. However you seem to believe that ethnicity is the same as identity. once can count the ethnicity of the nation, by standing on street corners and no one would mind. doing it via census is just more efficient. The end goal is the same: COUNT the make-up of the nation, as to appropriate fund according (which were sanctioned by the people)
the name is not what matter, but the needed demographic info. So they can determine the poplous
10zimmer 10 months ago
@10zimmer Once again, the government has no right to demographic data. They can count people but they can't lawfully penalize anyone for non-cooperation and they can't lawfully discriminate on the basis of ethnicity so they shouldn't be collecting any data except for the number who consent to be counted in each residence, and they may only do that once in ten years.
minivanjack 10 months ago
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10zimmer 10 months ago
@10zimmer So you are one of those people all happy about the "free" statistics you get to study. Here's how it works. If you want to study my private information, you buy it from me, if I want to sell it. You don't get to have the government steal it for you.
Any law that considers demographic classes is discriminatory and needs to be done away with.
minivanjack 10 months ago
@minivanjack if you want to do research on job creation and income migration to be able to figure out why some state are dying while others are thriving, then you can go count…oh say… a million people. I pay for the data i use, and it is data that is used by people to figure how to help and understand our nation. if you are scared if a name being attached to something…rest assured, there is no name, address, lat/long, or anything. the closest is county.
10zimmer 10 months ago