@TehReeper740 That's not correct. There are many variations of back falls and rolls in RMA. Some do grab the head, but not all. Military work often assumes the hands will be occupied on a rifle for example and therefore the head grab is not always present. Even the head grab itself is commonly taught as something too static in many apporaches and should rather shield the head and then unscrew and elongate to help the practitioner up.
For my simple experience I come from few yars of Taekwondo and I started 1 year and an Half ago Hapkido, but I've been ipnotized by the way the systema practitioners do the falls, expecialy over an hard floor. It's very useful, even if you put these skills in another martial art.
Rollings good for softening your body i.e. removing tension too. If your tense it hurts and things get bruised. Compound bruises on hard surfaces soon make you relax. I've been told to practice rolling on uneven surfaces and over bits of wood and stones.
These are the things in Systema that I always hated. Rolling... Maybe it's me but I honestly don't quite see how I"ll be rolling around while getting attacked in a dark alley. Sorry but it's just my opinion. I've trained under Kevin, great guy VERY knowledgeable but I still hate rolling lol.
The idea is to improve body control. I wouldn't back roll in a dark alley any more than I would perform a push up in one, but if I can't do either and I wind up on my back, chances are my options will be limited by my own incapacities. That being said, we can't be good at or even like every aspect of training so I think you can safely live a fruitful life without perfecting ground flow ;)
Well since I've stopped practicing Systema I switched to Krav Maga. No rolling :D makes life a lot simpler and personally I find it more straight forward than Systema. But again, that's just my opinion. :-)
Ultimately it boils down to instructors and not styles. Many Krav guys do practice ground, rolling--Moni Asek for example even teaches drop kicks and ground sweeps. What matters is the instructor fits for you. Krav definitely does have a simpler curriculum however. Most of the ground work from Systema stems from offensive gun movement and from what I've seen, Krav does not teach this at all.
Exactly. I've learned some ground work in Krav but very little. And yes, I've noticed that most rolls I saw in Systema had to do with guns. Who do/did you train with in canada?
true, i started training in krav in my hometown here now aswell, not because i don't like systema but because the people practicing it here don't really make the training as tough as it should be nor are they as good as the instructors i've worked with in the past; however krav is still lacking in the ''taking strikes'' department...
I had the problem where I would make contact with my knee i'm now working to fix this. I have a question about the second method of rolling landing on the ball of the foot. Is this not presenting your achilees tendon for snapping by stomping or somebody falling on it? I was told to always land on the instep to protect it.
Each method is favorable for a specific condition. Generally it is best to stand back up, unless perhaps you are under fire. The instep is safer on the ground and smoother but the ball of the foot is necessary as stated to protect weapons. If you have a firearm on your belt and have to stay down, the instep method is not viable. You are always open to stomps, on all areas of the body, when you are on the ground. If you are ever rolling that close to another human the roll should be weaponized.
Weaponizing the roll includes rolling into the attacker, snaring him, kicking or striking from the roll, pulling him to the ground, etc. The goal is to stay fluid rather than to get locked up in a struggle.
Generally, you would not be back rolling blindly towards another person intentional. Even in the case of the instep roll, Systema always advocates continuous movment. A number of drills, including having people stomp on you as you roll are used to train this reflex.
Yes, very informative. When I roll back, I noticed that my knee and my foot touch the mat. I need to stretch more so that I can lanc on the ball of my foot.
This guys stuff is amazing. He makes it seem so simple but this is really subtle work. Thank you so much for sharing this material. This has really given me a lot to work on.
In soviet Russia, rolls backup on you
RAWRCookyMonstr 7 months ago
They use kanji in russia :O
gokharol 7 months ago 2
@TehReeper740 That's not correct. There are many variations of back falls and rolls in RMA. Some do grab the head, but not all. Military work often assumes the hands will be occupied on a rifle for example and therefore the head grab is not always present. Even the head grab itself is commonly taught as something too static in many apporaches and should rather shield the head and then unscrew and elongate to help the practitioner up.
systemacanada 7 months ago
Very interesting and educational. Lots of reasoning in the application of the technique.
tocororomacho 10 months ago
take off your shoes
scoot698 1 year ago
@scoot698
Those are not shoes and this is Systema not an oriental martial art where you practice barefoot, despite the environment obviously being an dojo.
smrki1 11 months ago 3
For my simple experience I come from few yars of Taekwondo and I started 1 year and an Half ago Hapkido, but I've been ipnotized by the way the systema practitioners do the falls, expecialy over an hard floor. It's very useful, even if you put these skills in another martial art.
gattopuzzone74 1 year ago
Rollings good for softening your body i.e. removing tension too. If your tense it hurts and things get bruised. Compound bruises on hard surfaces soon make you relax. I've been told to practice rolling on uneven surfaces and over bits of wood and stones.
SystemaNZ 2 years ago
These are the things in Systema that I always hated. Rolling... Maybe it's me but I honestly don't quite see how I"ll be rolling around while getting attacked in a dark alley. Sorry but it's just my opinion. I've trained under Kevin, great guy VERY knowledgeable but I still hate rolling lol.
jackarf1 2 years ago
The idea is to improve body control. I wouldn't back roll in a dark alley any more than I would perform a push up in one, but if I can't do either and I wind up on my back, chances are my options will be limited by my own incapacities. That being said, we can't be good at or even like every aspect of training so I think you can safely live a fruitful life without perfecting ground flow ;)
systemacanada 2 years ago
Well since I've stopped practicing Systema I switched to Krav Maga. No rolling :D makes life a lot simpler and personally I find it more straight forward than Systema. But again, that's just my opinion. :-)
jackarf1 2 years ago
Ultimately it boils down to instructors and not styles. Many Krav guys do practice ground, rolling--Moni Asek for example even teaches drop kicks and ground sweeps. What matters is the instructor fits for you. Krav definitely does have a simpler curriculum however. Most of the ground work from Systema stems from offensive gun movement and from what I've seen, Krav does not teach this at all.
systemacanada 2 years ago
Exactly. I've learned some ground work in Krav but very little. And yes, I've noticed that most rolls I saw in Systema had to do with guns. Who do/did you train with in canada?
jackarf1 2 years ago
I train under Vlad and teach in Montreal.
systemacanada 2 years ago
Corner de maisonneuve, near metro Peel?
jackarf1 2 years ago
Yep. We're still there.
systemacanada 2 years ago
true, i started training in krav in my hometown here now aswell, not because i don't like systema but because the people practicing it here don't really make the training as tough as it should be nor are they as good as the instructors i've worked with in the past; however krav is still lacking in the ''taking strikes'' department...
motule 2 years ago
@jackarf1 how about if you oppoennt made you trippthen you might want to roll...
maxgunn555 2 years ago
I had the problem where I would make contact with my knee i'm now working to fix this. I have a question about the second method of rolling landing on the ball of the foot. Is this not presenting your achilees tendon for snapping by stomping or somebody falling on it? I was told to always land on the instep to protect it.
captaincavemaaaannn 2 years ago
Each method is favorable for a specific condition. Generally it is best to stand back up, unless perhaps you are under fire. The instep is safer on the ground and smoother but the ball of the foot is necessary as stated to protect weapons. If you have a firearm on your belt and have to stay down, the instep method is not viable. You are always open to stomps, on all areas of the body, when you are on the ground. If you are ever rolling that close to another human the roll should be weaponized.
systemacanada 2 years ago
Weaponizing the roll includes rolling into the attacker, snaring him, kicking or striking from the roll, pulling him to the ground, etc. The goal is to stay fluid rather than to get locked up in a struggle.
Generally, you would not be back rolling blindly towards another person intentional. Even in the case of the instep roll, Systema always advocates continuous movment. A number of drills, including having people stomp on you as you roll are used to train this reflex.
systemacanada 2 years ago
Elegant, thanks
Ponderfish 3 years ago
excellent!
devadaya9 3 years ago
Yes, very informative. When I roll back, I noticed that my knee and my foot touch the mat. I need to stretch more so that I can lanc on the ball of my foot.
ykltc 3 years ago
I,ve been rolling for years but there is always room to grow, thanks Kevin, 5/5
gekiryudojo 3 years ago
Quality!
woodleopard 3 years ago
This guys stuff is amazing. He makes it seem so simple but this is really subtle work. Thank you so much for sharing this material. This has really given me a lot to work on.
fistofspank22 3 years ago
That was a huge help. Thx.
Telramund 3 years ago
Thanx for sharing this excellent tutorial! Very well explained. This will def. help me improve my own skill in rolling.
010man 3 years ago
5 *
danisagres 3 years ago
Great instruction, great video.
You're brilliant as always Kevin.
mimithedog123 3 years ago
wow, so many details to a seemingly simple task... exellent.
LazzeLazer 3 years ago