Ambrosian chant - Ecce apertum est Templum tabernaculi

[pirate20043]

The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church ...Eastern Orthodox Church

Triadic GOD bless us all

[7PracticeOfLife7]

Where do u find these? i cant find a a nice quality mp3 for any of these chants. Please help me if u can.

[catholicpeter]

I greatly love the various chants of Holy Church; Gregorian, Byzantine, Ambrosian, Mozarabic...Unfortunately the latter are much less known and practiced; the former are losing popularity in an ever secular world. God have mercy! Thank you for posting.

[persenso]

We will not a Modernism in the Catholic Church

[0mniP0t3nt]

Wonderfully simplistic and reverent. It's time Catholicism bring's back the old, because the "new/modern" is unbelievably puny.

[emallohuergo]

How is the ensemble???

[TRINITYisLOVE]

@JLHOWARD40 and here you see how the ambrosian liturgy has grown out from the oriental liturgies. Greetings from an ambrosian-catholic (we have still the largest diocese in the World, Milan:)

[TheTokit]

Before hearing this kind of chant, I had only heard ambrosian chant from a choir of Canada in a record from the fifties, and it sounded very much like gregorian chant, only more ornated and ellaborated. But I am surprised of this ambrosian chant: sounds very much like the chant of the middle east churches, the Melchite and the Maronite, very much, like byzantine. Excuse my ignorance. I am astonished.

[catholicpeter]

@TheTokit Yes. In my humble opinion, this beautiful chant is like an 'east meets west', that is, Eastern practice with Latin lyrics. I excuse you, I too was ignorant of such beauty for many years. If only we could all spread this in some way, so as to bring about that change we all want to see; a restoration of Tradition, and end to liturgical abuse, an end to Protestantism and other heresy, and a healing of the severed ties of schism. God be praised!

[ledias65]

man, i am listening to a whole playlist of music. and i am doing so good..

[mikal9000]

Gorgeous and stirring.

[sw8074]

Yes, the first manuscript is in old dutch, it's telling a medieval religious story. You can read it on the Project Laurens Janszoon Coster website- it's under the name of Beatrijs. Thanx for uploading this wonderful chant :)

[Shchetchynianin]

@sw8074 ...the old Dutch? I thought that Dutch got developed from German....

[alexanderaugustus]

@Shchetchynianin No man, German developed from Dutch! :P But Middle Dutch, as it is called in the 13th to 16th century, is a language of its own, although it is written quite similar to middle German. Germanic languages in the later middle ages were at least written much more similar to eachother than now. Dutch, German, Swedish, Norwegian, Danish and even English are in fact easier to read if you know the basics and speak at least one of those languages well.

[Lebkoang2009]

@alexanderaugustus Oh wie witzig!

Niederländisch ist nur ein Dialekt im germanischen Sprachraum. Die Niederlande sind nur eine kleine Frucht des fränkischen Reiches bzw. ostfränkischen Reiches (Regnum Teutonicae), später Heiliges Römisches Reich Deutscher Nation. Die Niederlande sind letztlich erst seit 1648 (Westfälischer Frieden) vom alten deutschen Reich (HRRDN) unabhängig. Zum Glück hat sich Deutsch nicht aus diesem Gekrächze entwickelt!:P

[Lebkoang2009]

@Shchetchynianin Yes man, your thoughts are right!:)

[ciuahteotl]

Realmente bello....me llena el espíritu de paz....

y las imágenes son preciosas

thank you callixtinus!!

[MrRemy4u]

The manuscript is old Dutch....100%

Greetings

[DLBBAM]

Calixtinus, what is the language of the first manuscript shown? Is that dutch or some form of low german (an old medieval form, of course)?

[Callixtinus]

@DLBBAM: I am not sure, though I would hazard a guess at german.

[DLBBAM]

perhaps, I am not too sure as to how old high german would have looked like written. Some of the words look like low german to me though.

[DLBBAM]

upon reviewing it again it seems clear that this is a form of high german

[Robotnik]

@DLBBAM Early Dutch aka Low Franconian

[athosrose]

CAllixtinus, may our Lord Jesus Christ bless you. Thank you for posting these chants. I chant Byzantine music and this is as close to Byzantine as I've heard. Simply beautiful. All the best.

[Andreas16329]

Quemadmodum desiderat cervus ad fontes aquarum, ita desiderat anima mea ad Te Deus. Sitivit anima mea ad Deum vivum...

Ambrosius quasi David novus Ecclesiae sanctae datus erat ut glorificet Dominum.

[MaBu888]

"Id cantus Mihi magnificat" - Deus

[leontas2]

Geia sou Lykourge!

[Callixtinus]

:)). Whatever some 'tradition guerillas' may say, I personally believe Lycourgos Angelopoulos will be recorded as a great Master of Byzantine Music and as a generally distinguished and extremely talented musician.

[DrPunjabi]

dear callixtine,

do you have the jesus prayer in latin

as ambrosian chant?

i like byzantine style sung latin

prayers more than gregorian chant!

by the way this style is one way

of ending the oriental schisma.

[Callixtinus]

If you are referring to the well-known Jesus prayer (not the Pater Noster) I would be very surprised to find a latin version of it. The Jesus prayer was widely used by the Hesychasts in the east after 1100. Hesychasm as a movement was quite the opposite of western Scholasticism which was flourishing at that time in the west and so I do not think an eastern practice would have been utilized in latin rite (even in the Ambrosian).

[lapsatus]

@Callixtinus There's a lot of nonsense talked about Scholasticism and the West at this time. I'm Orthodox and was baptized in a Church of St. Gregory Palamas; I consider him a patron. Bottom line: apophaticism existed in the West at this time, too - American Orthodox need to quit reading modernists' books on this topic. Thomas Aquinas himself, specifically states that "created grace" is not really created at all, but is a term to describe uncreated divine grace as it inheres in a creature.

[lapsatus]

@Callixtinus Anyway, in continuation of that initial thought, I would point out that Orthodox hesychasm is very present in the Pre-Schism West, and elements of apophaticism perdure even past the Schism... including the Jesus Prayer.

In the Legenda Aurea, Jacobus de Voragine (d.1298) tells us how some Irish monks constantly prayed: Domine Iesu Christe, Fili Dei Vivi, miserere nobis. That was the Latin version of the Jesus Prayer. "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of the Living God, have mercy upon us."

[Callixtinus]

@lapsatus :

1) Apophatic theology did indeed exist in the west but was used in a very different way that eastern apophaticism. Thomas Aquinas made negative (apophatic) theology a corrective to affirmative (cataphatic) theology. To quote Vladimir Lossky, according to Aquinas "in attributing to God the perfections which we find in created beings, we must deny the mode according to which we understand these finite perfections, but we may affirm them in relation to God modo sublimiori."...

[Callixtinus]

@lapsatus

... "Thus, negations correspond to the modus significandi, to the always inaccurate means of expression; affirmations to the res significata, to the perfection which we wish to express, which is in God after another fashion than it is in creatures".

In contrast, in the East apophatic theology is not considered so much as complementary to cataphatic theology, but rather a higher, more sublime form of theology, albeit a much more difficult one to comprehend, or to experience...

[Callixtinus]

@lapsatus :

... The eastern apophaticism has as its object God in so far as He is absolutely incomprehensible, affirming only one thing: that God in His nature can never be known and that the question of theology is not so much knowing (for in negative theology one must strip away all knowledge, that comes from either reason, instict, or senses) as it is union.

2) As to the Jesus prayer, please not the use of the word "practice". Of course you can find a lot of prayers with very similar...

[Callixtinus]

@lapsatus

... or even identical phrasing in east and west. What differentiates these cases is (a) the context and (b) the practice. I am quite sure that the Irish monks did use that form of prayer and I am also sure similar prayers were used (and may even be used now) elsewhere. However, they do not seem to have become a widespread practice among lay people i n t h e v e r y c o n t e x t of mystical theology, in which the Jesus prayer, as a practice of Hesychasm has been infused...

[Callixtinus]

@lapsatus :

.. I would say that even though apophatic mysticism had its fair share in the west, exactly because of the common tradition, it seems to have not been ingrained to the ecclesial, theological and worshiping mentality of western Christendom. In saying so I am not denying the very many essential contributions of the west in Christian dogma and spirituality, I am only affirming the different aspect from which it chose to approach the divine mysteries.

[vyrgo84]

@Callixtinus when was it made please? the song

[Callixtinus]

@vyrgo84: don't know exact date, but this one is dated around 8th - 11th century AD.

[apax65]

Un grande lavoro di montaggio per uno splendido e significativo brano di canto ambrosiano antico! Grazie!

[eref2000]

Mesmerising.

[Plantagenet1927]

Thanks for the video,my friend.....

[treblechoir99]

Magnificent chant, rewarding. Thank you.