00.46 "it'll sounds funny... unless that's the sound that you want." haha that made me laugh bro. your vids are nice and smooth and informative I appreciate them. thank you very much
I have seen a lot of this guy's videos, good to finally hear some of the lyrics he works with .... but Reverb on rap vocals?? I thought you filled out the voice with adlibs ... but I can't knock it as I haven't tried it before.
/Disagree... EQ always on Vox here. Compression Nah! But everyone is different, not slammin your mixing skill just don't do the same way myself. And I achieve some excellent quality
hey man can you help me out, I wanna know how to set my mic up for a good vocal sound befor I record because no one use it but me and i just want it already set for my voice.
No Doubt!!!Great Mixing tips,I do all that and compress vocals 2x before recording i set the microphone Volume setting at under half way before lacing vocals so the vocals dont sound loud or distorted and you dont hear the Ps or S letters when spitting or singing...LOOK Out For MINDBOGGLA EXISTENCE On the Independent Label House of Horrors Dropping 2011!!!!!!!!!!1
not to add to all the negative-ness on these video comments....but after you add 4 here and 4 there and reverb this and reverb that...you might want to isolate those monitors before you mix. One set of monitors is directly on the desktop or on something solid, then there is another set on top of the other monitors?? Result is good bottom end in your mixing desk...but when bounced and played on a stereo it will sound worse than an AM radio station. Thin and muddy with mids.
@TechwithMac yea but most ppl that will watch this will be totally novice at mixing at best so its a good idea to give them hard numbers to set at so they can use their ears afterwards to dial the sound they want in
@rapperbmj1 if you have your music track on a different track than your vocals(you should if you don't lol) then you can just turn off the music track and let the vocal track play. Peace
@toetappingtengo theres four elements in compression (normally) Threshhold (how loud the song is) the ratio somtin like 4 to 1 (4:1) wat is it for? I forgot lol. k
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The whole idea of rapmusic is to get it agressive and lively.
That would be accomplished by using a little slower attack and a faster release.
Just enough attack to get the transients.
With a good mic,preamp,room etc. you won't need to do much eq'ing.
Maybe lowcut at around 80 - 100 Hz. And maybe boost very lite on the HF's or cut some HF's on instruments that interfer with the vocals to get a little brilliance in there. Dependin on the gear an rapper
no my good sir you do not both reverb then eq swtich that up you need to mix first making sure the actual track sound clean with low end cuts for no uneccesary bass watching the highs making sure there not peaking then throw reverb if necessary depending on the song but reverb should be put afterwords as an effect because if you put reberb first you will never really know how your vocals sound unless you turn it off so yea
0ms attack can cause noticeable distortion on some compressors. 4:1 is more than most guys use. the pros usually set up a compressor and a limiter. with not a lot of each. its the first mix down and you dont see professionals throwing 4:1 compression on every vocal as soon as its been recorded. some rappers will give you a vocal recording where everything is the same volume. I love it. thats how it should be. but a lot of begginers dont understand why not to scream and whisper
i am a certified sound engineer and i can mix anything from rock to country the only thing that seperates the genres is how they are put together in your mix lol and if you make a how to video you have to explain what attack, gain, threshhold, etc. are
@xtina1988ify i agree with u he is a "little" uneducated when it comes to mixing. But dont get your opinion from one source. Because there are some great "rap" engineers out there. who has acomplished just as much as any other engineer of other genres.
i got a question man why is that thing thing be in front of the mic is that to block out the vibrations from ur voice or sumthin? obviously i dont kno wat its called
"amount of compression" --do you mean ratio? you should use terms that aren't plugin-specific, and remind people that the numbers you give are starting points and need to be tweaked for most situations.
MAN KEEP DOING WHAT YOUR DOING... i am a christian and i love it that you played a God praiseing song. I dont see many Christian mixers on youtube. God Bless.
actually hes right compression is important to the mix so is eq ..remember there is no one way to mix every egineer has there secret .. he jus choose to show his .. Im an engineer too im actully protools certified ..mixing is mixing.... his way probably works for him and maybe for others
actually hes right compression is important to the mix so is eq ..remember there is no one way to mix every egineer has there secret .. he jus choose to show his .. Im an engineer too im actully protools certified ..mixing is mixing.... his way probably works for him and maybe for others
each man is intitle to believe as he chooses. If he wants to make religious music then god bless. People need to live and let live. Don't be the voice of hostility and unbalance. Be the voice of constructive critic. Choose to comment on what is admirable and uplifting about your brothers. We are all a human family, here for a short time. All we be judged by whatever put us here. Good Luck, and do whatcha do.Peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@yaboi14 2:1 is a very low level for some music styles these days. But it also depends on the signal itself. There is no magical number, it all depends on the individual signal you're working with.
Compression is a dynamic effect that originally was designed so the engineer wouldn't have to "ride the fader" in order for the track to be at the same volume. There is no one setting that will work with every vocal or instrument. You really need to listen and apply compression as necessary (if at all!). Playing around with Threshold/Attack/Release to what works for the track and the song as a whole is about the only reliable method.
@ricevader what program are you using? I use garage band it helped. Well, I guess it just depends on the program and how you want the vocals to sound.
...But I would deffinately not start making eq descisions with the vocal in solo as he says to do. That decision is relative to the rest of the mix. Attack time at 1 or 0? 1 or what? If he means the fastest setting.. I would slow it down a bit. release 100? 100 what? I wouldnt call this any solid advice. Maybe we shouldnt try to get our audio degree on youtube:) There is good advise out there. Just search under the names of real proven engineers.
I dont think thats necissarily right. With the right mic, you may need no eq at all. That is, in fact the goal in mic selection and placement. EQ is to solve problems for the most part, and yes they can add a bit of sparkle, but they are the last thing you should go for when getting a sound.
Reverb is not part of the chain. It is in the aux return running parallel. "You may wanna add eq" sounds reasonable to me.
well maybe you know more then i do but from my understanding compression flattens your vocals and takes the life away. eq not only fixes problems but helps bring that life back or as u called it "sparkle" but when using plugins you should always, compress-eq-reverb as needed. in my chain i dont have reverb as it is in hardware and not in plugins. then i compress, deess, compress, eq, then i use a channel strip. works beautifully.
Actually, I wouldnt say I know more than you (or anyone) I just have my own experiences and opinions. If t sounds good, it is good. I still have more questions than answers:)
If u have a compressor w/ knobs/sliders labeled with the common parameters like attack his info WILL work. It is better than somebody using some wild software compressor & just picking the loaded presets. I actually do mix my vox w/ & w/o the beat also.
Sure, he doesn't go in to detail about what attack or ratio is, but try his settings. You'll get good results. He can explain that later or you can research if interested. Mix with your compressor & not that volume slider. Thanks man
No man, compression helps smooth things out or halps make something hit harder but you gotta mix with those faders. The real great engineers use fader automation for "manual compression" because it preserves the original sound (including the chosen compression setting) without squashing it. Only a human can make art.
Although I don't agree with what this video was saying, The most important thing i've learned from school, books, and working as a professional mix engineer is there is no strait forward way to do anything. there are so many variables that can affect how an individual chooses to mix their vocals. from how this man was speaking i would say its a crash course for someone who doesnt know anything about mixing. but atleast give accurate information about what threshold and ratio.
Yes. Basically I record all the stuff with a maximum peak of -18dB, so I can resolve this "cutting trough" moments by raisingthe volume rather than destroying dynamic range by evening out transients using limiting or compression.
It's so sad to follow the "pro-audio(phile)-esque" recipe of applying compression on vocals and everything to "cut trough". Back when tape recording was a new thing, the only way one could control volume was placing the mic far or near the source.
Actually the top monitor might be a M-Audio Studiophile or similar. Also, putting something on top of the monitors alter their sound. I'm sure that you will not see one monitor on top of other one on 100% of pro studios.
for the dude under, sayin shit bout this guys ways of recording..like the guy under me...says..every studio, engineer, uses compression on vocals...its needed...much needed. so i dont know what you are thinking. compression makes mains sound better, and makes doubles blend in much more.
Compression is very common in lead vox and is essential in hiphop music. People fail to realize that compression tecnically is keeping a track more consistantly loud, not actually loudening alone. It takes away the dynamic range between low volumes sounds and high volume sounds to make them all "level". Since we are not robots and probably don't sing at the same db level consistantly on our own it's essential.
if you've ever been anywhere near a typical recording studio you'd know that some compression on vocals is pretty common, aside from the fact that every single piece of music recorded these days (save for maybe jazz) is compressed like crazy in mastering anyway - 'proper technique' has nothing to do with it. its about dynamics and volume wars.
it's pretty common when you don't know how to record vocals. Instead of adding compression on vocals to sit on top of the song, just lower the volume of the rest. You don't shoot for a 0 dB peak when mixing.
recording HOT means peaking the levels where the are pushing digital distortion. Hip hop is notorious for pushing everything hot, and imo, that's not bad. but it can pulsesate a mix, and if you have not compressed correctly and/limited, you are screwed, and the whole track could be amazing and then one "T" of a word stands through.
use good preamps and run those HOR, then record, then go back, and use those preamps again for the new york compression "trick", but i say tool
It COMPRESSES the highs in your vocals and brings it down to the proper level to match the UNEVEN things in your vocals. It also brings UP the things that are too low. Almost all software has a built in compressor
there really is no specific way to record music its all about your mixing skill and having a good ear u can basically get the hang of it after playing wit a recording program for a few weeks or months for the slo people and u can mix all by ear so u dont have to be a full blown producer to produce your own tracks u juss gotta have a ear and basic knowledge of recording software but u cant just click buttons and think your gonna make something hot its all about technique logic and a good ear...
Rap songs, for the most part are mixed horribly nowadays. The mixes don't sound as cohesive as they used to. Honestly, the best engineered music is pop music. And I don't like pop.
Well dude to be honest i don't know anything about rap or hip hop really... I'm just saying that in my experience... Mixing can't be that freakin easy... You have to listen the MIX... Pop music is best mixed cause they got the best engineers and they can pay whatever they'll want for the best job... That's life...
recroding hot means no compression even though you are peaking your levels high volumes, which i dont suggest , i mean you need some compression , I mean geesh the vocals alone are a dynamic tone so yea , just dont compress too much cause you will deadin the brightness of the dynamic sound you are reocrding or mixing =) Hopefully this makes sense
You're completely right, 9th Wonder, Basshunter, these people have never used FL at all, nor do they use it in their studios.
I notice you chose to attack FL and not Reason or Sonar, interesting since they are all in the same price range and were predominantly marketed to new users, but all have come a LONG way from their humble starts. Let me guess, you don't have a studio nor have you ever been in one. I run a studio with Reason, Sonar, Cubase and FL XXL 8 currently, and we make money.
Yo, 9th wonder himself said that he used fruity loops and made hits on it. He went on to say that cats were mad at him because he was doing things with fruity loops that they didn't even know could be done in there.
Dawg, you realize that there's professional studios pushin' Sonar, Reason and FL Studios and makin' bank, right? The elitists claimin' you gotta have ProTools to do it right are just that, elitists. Now, on the other hand, in our studio we don't compress and mix with vocals solo'ed. The vocals are another instruments set which need EQ, compression, and a full FX chain applied to them like any other instrument in a track, we mix them down with the split channel beat. There is no vocal preset.
I agree with you 1,000 percent. When me and my best friend first started our studio we had only a mixing board and a cassette recorder. That was 12 years ago and our studio is still standing. We've also recorded a couple of celebs. It's all about the sound imo.
honestly, i appreciate the fact that your trying to share your knowledge of mixing with others, and that many of beginners should be thankful of, BUT..... as a professional engineer and listening to your tips, i must say YOUR so wrong by having people SOLO the vocals without the music while their trying to make it sound good because the majority of the time you want the eq and compression of the vocals to fit what the music is doing and vise versa,
Protools comes standard with EQ plugins, i like using the 7-Band EQ 3... you'll want to adjust the 3k to about 5 or 6k down untill you get the sound you want
I don't doubt that you know how to record and mix, but for people that are taking their first steps into mixing, this vid is quiet useless. "Compression on 4" - Talking 'bout ratio? Let's hope, cause most of the beginners don't even know what compression is.. Same with the reverb: it's true, reverb does help to make it sound more open, but someone who has to use reverb for the first time: auch. Maybe it would be good for you if you actually let people here the difference with the effects..
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Howardwmalloy 5 days ago
hey man is their any way to get a converter box and just a mic so i can record rap music
TheShocka777 1 week ago
Expert village really needs some quality control.
u03mja3 2 weeks ago
/facepalm
jrhager84 2 weeks ago
How would you do this in garage band?
IRapNow2012 2 weeks ago
Here's another Chain you can probably use:
1. De-Esser ( to silence the explosive "s" sounds)
2. Compression ( squashes the signal to be smooth and compressed)
3. EQ (shapes the frequencies of hi, mid and low)
4. Auto-Tune ( placing vocals on the right key or for "that effect")
5. Reverb ( putting audio in another atmosphere or like a room or hall)
I treat reverb like water to pancakes. The less water you add the thicker your pancakes (voice) more or too much reverb will make the panc
JerMarMusicGroup 3 weeks ago
What happens if i want to EQ the vocals before the EQ??? :O .... -.-
Indication92 1 month ago
@Indication92
I don't see what you're saying.
TheFundRaiserBeats 2 weeks ago
oowwwwww ... dude , you have 138.541 uploded videos ...OMG !
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xyproductions1 1 month ago
00.46 "it'll sounds funny... unless that's the sound that you want." haha that made me laugh bro. your vids are nice and smooth and informative I appreciate them. thank you very much
ChiefLeafBurner 1 month ago
Praise God bro !
SoliDeoGloria95 1 month ago
Dont talk about playing with my threshold.
guttertv702 2 months ago 6
always compression and then eq first two steps ALWAYS
acalancast 2 months ago
Love it<3 :)
kakan2001 2 months ago
thts qudd tutorial
en449 2 months ago
u said sometthing about compression on the beat first?... always?...
MarkoPolo787 2 months ago
Why would you ever want to mix vocals without reference as to where it sits with your music bed?
BlueLightRecords 3 months ago
Behringer Truth?
vEM313 3 months ago
Do you work with local talent? Where are you located?
Harlembounddre 4 months ago
@Harlembounddre I work with Local Talent im in New York. Long Island. >Currently tell me what kind of music ya do...or just pm me.
LastDayStudios 3 months ago
Hey check out my two songs made with logic pro...I really need feedback...appreciate it!! Jamie Lynn
JamieLynnMusic1 4 months ago
this guy looks like No I.D.
ahmadyk23 5 months ago
thats dope brah i liek this
MrMVG420 7 months ago
Okay so basically:
1. Compression
2. Reverb
3. EQ
Got it.
JoeyIsHype 7 months ago
I have seen a lot of this guy's videos, good to finally hear some of the lyrics he works with .... but Reverb on rap vocals?? I thought you filled out the voice with adlibs ... but I can't knock it as I haven't tried it before.
canvasMC 7 months ago
/Disagree... EQ always on Vox here. Compression Nah! But everyone is different, not slammin your mixing skill just don't do the same way myself. And I achieve some excellent quality
PDXbeatMaker 7 months ago
Thank you for these tips, much appreciated!!
Redarmymusic 8 months ago
nice that helped me alot with the vocals bit
Familia00Mensaje 8 months ago
now how do u only get the vocals?
Sonny0612 8 months ago
"put about 4 amount of compression"?? do you mean ratio or what?
Deggaren 9 months ago 5
@Deggaren
4:1, I think.
PramMavenOfficial 1 day ago
thx u actually helped bruh
DGKewlAid 9 months ago
Good info
mrmarcus206 9 months ago
@desiguy118 no either but of course yamaha is more acurate then behringer.
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TheDjay202 10 months ago
hey man can you help me out, I wanna know how to set my mic up for a good vocal sound befor I record because no one use it but me and i just want it already set for my voice.
fredrob7 10 months ago
thanks for that reply Sir...
desiguy118 11 months ago
@desiguy118 i would definitely go with the hs80s
egyptianpiffin 11 months ago
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MinorFlaw318 11 months ago
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MetaflowUK 11 months ago
No Doubt!!!Great Mixing tips,I do all that and compress vocals 2x before recording i set the microphone Volume setting at under half way before lacing vocals so the vocals dont sound loud or distorted and you dont hear the Ps or S letters when spitting or singing...LOOK Out For MINDBOGGLA EXISTENCE On the Independent Label House of Horrors Dropping 2011!!!!!!!!!!1
mbexistence 1 year ago
not to add to all the negative-ness on these video comments....but after you add 4 here and 4 there and reverb this and reverb that...you might want to isolate those monitors before you mix. One set of monitors is directly on the desktop or on something solid, then there is another set on top of the other monitors?? Result is good bottom end in your mixing desk...but when bounced and played on a stereo it will sound worse than an AM radio station. Thin and muddy with mids.
TheShawnFussell 1 year ago
@TechwithMac yea but most ppl that will watch this will be totally novice at mixing at best so its a good idea to give them hard numbers to set at so they can use their ears afterwards to dial the sound they want in
cumchaser 1 year ago
do u know how to hook the mbox up to garage band
TrappTarellVEVO 1 year ago
How did you remove the beat form the vocals? can you make a vid about it it would help me allot thanks....
rapperbmj1 1 year ago
@rapperbmj1 if you have your music track on a different track than your vocals(you should if you don't lol) then you can just turn off the music track and let the vocal track play. Peace
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edsomatitude1 1 year ago
what panned (volume) do u put the beat at???
OfficialNandyJ 1 year ago
@toetappingtengo theres four elements in compression (normally) Threshhold (how loud the song is) the ratio somtin like 4 to 1 (4:1) wat is it for? I forgot lol. k
BigRicTheMc 1 year ago
what do you use to change everything (what is the thing next to youcalled i cant remember??)
arielangle101 1 year ago
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romeo101788 1 year ago
Thanx for the vid. What I like the best is that apparently this guy works for the Lord... listen to the lyrics of the artists...
SecularCondition 1 year ago
Why use so fast attack on the compression?
The whole idea of rapmusic is to get it agressive and lively.
That would be accomplished by using a little slower attack and a faster release.
Just enough attack to get the transients.
With a good mic,preamp,room etc. you won't need to do much eq'ing.
Maybe lowcut at around 80 - 100 Hz. And maybe boost very lite on the HF's or cut some HF's on instruments that interfer with the vocals to get a little brilliance in there. Dependin on the gear an rapper
mellonymusic 1 year ago
man cant u just show what effect u do ? like Reverb > Studio reverb ( small ) something like dat ??
LilSwagg4 1 year ago
Can a send a vocals,and a beat to you so that you can mix it for me
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Brainwavs 1 year ago
nice take
swi86 1 year ago
@Gibude seperate them onto different tracks
clokwize 1 year ago
no my good sir you do not both reverb then eq swtich that up you need to mix first making sure the actual track sound clean with low end cuts for no uneccesary bass watching the highs making sure there not peaking then throw reverb if necessary depending on the song but reverb should be put afterwords as an effect because if you put reberb first you will never really know how your vocals sound unless you turn it off so yea
papito1219 1 year ago
pretty short through the turn...
stexnookie 1 year ago
its all in the sacrifice!! amen
chriswwjd777 1 year ago
hey dude thanks it helped alot God BLESS
BeforeAllFalls 1 year ago
Appreciate you takin the time. You should add the actual track you're mixing so we can see if that's what we're looking to achieve.
Meta4wzrd 1 year ago
HEY MY BROTHA, THANKS FOR THE VIDEO. IM NEW AT THIS BUT IM LEARNIN THANKS
Ldthegreat916 1 year ago
@Flowgeta i'm definitely looking to perfect my mixing skills but this video doesn't help in the slightest
Afigs1313 1 year ago
@LPawnell agreed
kiNGAgAP3 1 year ago
0ms attack can cause noticeable distortion on some compressors. 4:1 is more than most guys use. the pros usually set up a compressor and a limiter. with not a lot of each. its the first mix down and you dont see professionals throwing 4:1 compression on every vocal as soon as its been recorded. some rappers will give you a vocal recording where everything is the same volume. I love it. thats how it should be. but a lot of begginers dont understand why not to scream and whisper
imaqtlolz 1 year ago
Ty for the help
FreshRG 1 year ago
@FreshRG agreed
kiNGAgAP3 1 year ago
@tocov 4db, its a knob on the program
divisions820 1 year ago
i am a certified sound engineer and i can mix anything from rock to country the only thing that seperates the genres is how they are put together in your mix lol and if you make a how to video you have to explain what attack, gain, threshhold, etc. are
smurfnoose 1 year ago
@smurfnoose im not to great on mixing my compositions on point...i cud use some engineering tips or just straight i cud use an engineer...
hiphoproduction4life 1 year ago
how should i mix my vocals for the chorus of the song? like what fx should i put in the track?
BrennanCBeatMaster 1 year ago
@xtina1988ify i agree with u he is a "little" uneducated when it comes to mixing. But dont get your opinion from one source. Because there are some great "rap" engineers out there. who has acomplished just as much as any other engineer of other genres.
gesocole 1 year ago
alright edit i think more should be done in general!!
ERICINMYPOCKET 1 year ago
What if you buy a beat and the only thing you have to add to the song is your vocal and you dont have all the instruments in their on track
rayelkra20 1 year ago
i got a question man why is that thing thing be in front of the mic is that to block out the vibrations from ur voice or sumthin? obviously i dont kno wat its called
blitz818 1 year ago
@blitz818 r u talking about a pop filter?
VOLLLDQProductions 1 year ago
@VOLLLDQProductions is that that thing that be in front of the mic when ppl talk into it if that wat its called why they put it on the mic?
blitz818 1 year ago
@blitz818 yea its a pop filter. u can look em up on amazon or guitar center
VOLLLDQProductions 1 year ago
expertvillage is okay but they learn you not much..... they point you i a certain way.
but he is talking about ratio but he didn't know the name i think (lol)
a ratio of 4 is normally a good starting point with a treshold of -14.
gewoenpascal 1 year ago
"amount of compression" --do you mean ratio? you should use terms that aren't plugin-specific, and remind people that the numbers you give are starting points and need to be tweaked for most situations.
Froasier 1 year ago
MAN KEEP DOING WHAT YOUR DOING... i am a christian and i love it that you played a God praiseing song. I dont see many Christian mixers on youtube. God Bless.
jcdirks1 1 year ago
For a mixing board like that, and a decent wooden room....
Think you should invest in some new speakers.
Try some GENELECS... or Dynaudios.
Can't say what size or model...that depends on your room size.
itchibeatz 1 year ago
If I am recording on the Go constantly what is the best MIC to have... name like 5?
2482310576 1 year ago
Hey I'm a 14 year old rapper. Check me out, then hit me back with some feedback.
ZJSog 1 year ago
how do i get to u kid?
afroexcobazz 1 year ago
actually hes right compression is important to the mix so is eq ..remember there is no one way to mix every egineer has there secret .. he jus choose to show his .. Im an engineer too im actully protools certified ..mixing is mixing.... his way probably works for him and maybe for others
swiftstatus 1 year ago
actually hes right compression is important to the mix so is eq ..remember there is no one way to mix every egineer has there secret .. he jus choose to show his .. Im an engineer too im actully protools certified ..mixing is mixing.... his way probably works for him and maybe for others
swiftstatus 1 year ago
what is the desk?
Joeey 2 years ago
i like. build the mix around the vocals.
Joeey 2 years ago
He's obviously uploaded this video to help people, why give him stick for it.....!
Good video man, compression is important which is why u say it so much!
Johnakalazyj 2 years ago
@Johnakalazyj compression is everything. many can not see this.
Joeey 2 years ago
each man is intitle to believe as he chooses. If he wants to make religious music then god bless. People need to live and let live. Don't be the voice of hostility and unbalance. Be the voice of constructive critic. Choose to comment on what is admirable and uplifting about your brothers. We are all a human family, here for a short time. All we be judged by whatever put us here. Good Luck, and do whatcha do.Peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!
pistonear 2 years ago 2
@yaboi14 2:1 is a very low level for some music styles these days. But it also depends on the signal itself. There is no magical number, it all depends on the individual signal you're working with.
pjdaprinz 2 years ago
But what about the sound gate. Wouldn't that have some affect as well?
hanznobe 2 years ago
Put some compression on the vocals in this video
theANT47 2 years ago
Works for me every time.
XDosShane 2 years ago
Compression is a dynamic effect that originally was designed so the engineer wouldn't have to "ride the fader" in order for the track to be at the same volume. There is no one setting that will work with every vocal or instrument. You really need to listen and apply compression as necessary (if at all!). Playing around with Threshold/Attack/Release to what works for the track and the song as a whole is about the only reliable method.
coffeebeanfilms 2 years ago 2
i usually use a 10:1 compression cuz' 4:1 doesn't sound as clear as i want it to be...
ricevader 2 years ago
@ricevader what program are you using? I use garage band it helped. Well, I guess it just depends on the program and how you want the vocals to sound.
hanznobe 2 years ago
I use protools... and i like using a 10:1 compression for the main vocals... and then a 4:1 for my adlibs and stuff like that...
ricevader 2 years ago
well i have a herculeas dj controler and i have no clue how u think u can help me out ?
liljxx95 2 years ago
how do you mute the beat ?
liljxx95 2 years ago
hit solo on the vocal track
treeZon1 2 years ago
they shd be in two different tracks...if not..then u can't rlly mute the bea.
AKProductions01 2 years ago
seperate the sounds into tracks in the mixer
yisjay 2 years ago
@jvc302
4 compressors!:)
TheProgmagog 2 years ago
@boyrich18
...But I would deffinately not start making eq descisions with the vocal in solo as he says to do. That decision is relative to the rest of the mix. Attack time at 1 or 0? 1 or what? If he means the fastest setting.. I would slow it down a bit. release 100? 100 what? I wouldnt call this any solid advice. Maybe we shouldnt try to get our audio degree on youtube:) There is good advise out there. Just search under the names of real proven engineers.
TheProgmagog 2 years ago
but yes, mic selection is important. and i agree with not making eq decisions with the vocals solo'd out in the mix. everything has to fit together.
boyrich18 2 years ago
@boyrich18
I dont think thats necissarily right. With the right mic, you may need no eq at all. That is, in fact the goal in mic selection and placement. EQ is to solve problems for the most part, and yes they can add a bit of sparkle, but they are the last thing you should go for when getting a sound.
Reverb is not part of the chain. It is in the aux return running parallel. "You may wanna add eq" sounds reasonable to me.
I still dont think I would record there though:)
TheProgmagog 2 years ago
well maybe you know more then i do but from my understanding compression flattens your vocals and takes the life away. eq not only fixes problems but helps bring that life back or as u called it "sparkle" but when using plugins you should always, compress-eq-reverb as needed. in my chain i dont have reverb as it is in hardware and not in plugins. then i compress, deess, compress, eq, then i use a channel strip. works beautifully.
boyrich18 2 years ago
@boyrich18
Actually, I wouldnt say I know more than you (or anyone) I just have my own experiences and opinions. If t sounds good, it is good. I still have more questions than answers:)
TheProgmagog 2 years ago
Good vid!
If u have a compressor w/ knobs/sliders labeled with the common parameters like attack his info WILL work. It is better than somebody using some wild software compressor & just picking the loaded presets. I actually do mix my vox w/ & w/o the beat also.
Sure, he doesn't go in to detail about what attack or ratio is, but try his settings. You'll get good results. He can explain that later or you can research if interested. Mix with your compressor & not that volume slider. Thanks man
BIGLARRY100 2 years ago
@BIGLARRY100
No man, compression helps smooth things out or halps make something hit harder but you gotta mix with those faders. The real great engineers use fader automation for "manual compression" because it preserves the original sound (including the chosen compression setting) without squashing it. Only a human can make art.
TheProgmagog 2 years ago
how do u mute the music?
Zombi3Biscuit 2 years ago
press the green button beside each channel for the beat. the light goes off
AM3yzeN 2 years ago
what dawn are you using? ex: pro tools, cubace, sonar, ect.
FiSTFigHT09 2 years ago
Although I don't agree with what this video was saying, The most important thing i've learned from school, books, and working as a professional mix engineer is there is no strait forward way to do anything. there are so many variables that can affect how an individual chooses to mix their vocals. from how this man was speaking i would say its a crash course for someone who doesnt know anything about mixing. but atleast give accurate information about what threshold and ratio.
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rossoneroedoboi 2 years ago
Yes. Basically I record all the stuff with a maximum peak of -18dB, so I can resolve this "cutting trough" moments by raisingthe volume rather than destroying dynamic range by evening out transients using limiting or compression.
It's so sad to follow the "pro-audio(phile)-esque" recipe of applying compression on vocals and everything to "cut trough". Back when tape recording was a new thing, the only way one could control volume was placing the mic far or near the source.
mr4y 2 years ago
aham, if brickwalling was a real "process". I only heard of brickwall LIMITING.
And your vocals will clip when you apply compression referencing on a K-20 meter, which is ideal for vocal recording and other stuff.
Just check any old recording, where the maximum peaks are -18 dB and you get peaks that pass 0 dB and don't clip, instead of today's -2 dB.
And whe you compress you destroy dynamic range, "brickwalling" or not.
mr4y 2 years ago
Actually the top monitor might be a M-Audio Studiophile or similar. Also, putting something on top of the monitors alter their sound. I'm sure that you will not see one monitor on top of other one on 100% of pro studios.
mr4y 2 years ago
for the dude under, sayin shit bout this guys ways of recording..like the guy under me...says..every studio, engineer, uses compression on vocals...its needed...much needed. so i dont know what you are thinking. compression makes mains sound better, and makes doubles blend in much more.
x6one3x 2 years ago
LOL Tnx MAN
detoxcrew93 2 years ago
Dude why is everyone care if this guys a christian rapper? he seems pretty cool to me
ezbowers 2 years ago
i use audacity and i cant do that reverb thing, any1 knows what other free program i can download??????
Poppy914YO 2 years ago
THX!
KsmuvTV 2 years ago
Compression is very common in lead vox and is essential in hiphop music. People fail to realize that compression tecnically is keeping a track more consistantly loud, not actually loudening alone. It takes away the dynamic range between low volumes sounds and high volume sounds to make them all "level". Since we are not robots and probably don't sing at the same db level consistantly on our own it's essential.
Gtrplyr1 2 years ago
Christian
SingJiya 2 years ago
if you've ever been anywhere near a typical recording studio you'd know that some compression on vocals is pretty common, aside from the fact that every single piece of music recorded these days (save for maybe jazz) is compressed like crazy in mastering anyway - 'proper technique' has nothing to do with it. its about dynamics and volume wars.
J4wsome 2 years ago
it's pretty common when you don't know how to record vocals. Instead of adding compression on vocals to sit on top of the song, just lower the volume of the rest. You don't shoot for a 0 dB peak when mixing.
mr4y 2 years ago
wat about the ratio?
javen33333333 2 years ago
thats wut he meant by between 2-4. some compressors call it ratio some are amount of compression but its the same thing
gabrielsarango 2 years ago
He should have mentioned de-essing
Wobbothe3rd 2 years ago
how do you just keep the vocals??
YDOTSprodz 2 years ago
The vocals are always recorded separate, so its on it's own track, just solo it up or mute all other tracks.
bigseanjo 2 years ago
You're wrong. A good beat can make a hit without anything great vocally. duh
travegeta 2 years ago 2
thats what i just said. The beat is like, the drums and bassline, a tune is the melody. Well, it is in what i said just then.
zwerty007 2 years ago
who know's how to make a "FIXED" hook
SayNoMOEproductions 2 years ago
what do u mean by "fixed"?
OfficialBigE 2 years ago
recording HOT means peaking the levels where the are pushing digital distortion. Hip hop is notorious for pushing everything hot, and imo, that's not bad. but it can pulsesate a mix, and if you have not compressed correctly and/limited, you are screwed, and the whole track could be amazing and then one "T" of a word stands through.
use good preamps and run those HOR, then record, then go back, and use those preamps again for the new york compression "trick", but i say tool
fluxcapga1 2 years ago 2
It COMPRESSES the highs in your vocals and brings it down to the proper level to match the UNEVEN things in your vocals. It also brings UP the things that are too low. Almost all software has a built in compressor
Hypeishere1 2 years ago
there really is no specific way to record music its all about your mixing skill and having a good ear u can basically get the hang of it after playing wit a recording program for a few weeks or months for the slo people and u can mix all by ear so u dont have to be a full blown producer to produce your own tracks u juss gotta have a ear and basic knowledge of recording software but u cant just click buttons and think your gonna make something hot its all about technique logic and a good ear...
macfle01 2 years ago 4
Rap songs, for the most part are mixed horribly nowadays. The mixes don't sound as cohesive as they used to. Honestly, the best engineered music is pop music. And I don't like pop.
RobertPlatinum 2 years ago
Well dude to be honest i don't know anything about rap or hip hop really... I'm just saying that in my experience... Mixing can't be that freakin easy... You have to listen the MIX... Pop music is best mixed cause they got the best engineers and they can pay whatever they'll want for the best job... That's life...
JEAG 2 years ago
Please answer asap. What does recording HOT mean.
ave383 2 years ago
recroding hot means no compression even though you are peaking your levels high volumes, which i dont suggest , i mean you need some compression , I mean geesh the vocals alone are a dynamic tone so yea , just dont compress too much cause you will deadin the brightness of the dynamic sound you are reocrding or mixing =) Hopefully this makes sense
bastrix 2 years ago
yo thanks for these vids..really profited from them..you have a good way of explaining.
woines 2 years ago
Hi I nd some vocals like rap coz I want to mix with my vocal
gurjeetsinghtanda 2 years ago
You're completely right, 9th Wonder, Basshunter, these people have never used FL at all, nor do they use it in their studios.
I notice you chose to attack FL and not Reason or Sonar, interesting since they are all in the same price range and were predominantly marketed to new users, but all have come a LONG way from their humble starts. Let me guess, you don't have a studio nor have you ever been in one. I run a studio with Reason, Sonar, Cubase and FL XXL 8 currently, and we make money.
MNSPStudio 2 years ago
Yo, 9th wonder himself said that he used fruity loops and made hits on it. He went on to say that cats were mad at him because he was doing things with fruity loops that they didn't even know could be done in there.
RobertPlatinum 2 years ago
Dawg, you realize that there's professional studios pushin' Sonar, Reason and FL Studios and makin' bank, right? The elitists claimin' you gotta have ProTools to do it right are just that, elitists. Now, on the other hand, in our studio we don't compress and mix with vocals solo'ed. The vocals are another instruments set which need EQ, compression, and a full FX chain applied to them like any other instrument in a track, we mix them down with the split channel beat. There is no vocal preset.
MNSPStudio 2 years ago 2
I agree with you 1,000 percent. When me and my best friend first started our studio we had only a mixing board and a cassette recorder. That was 12 years ago and our studio is still standing. We've also recorded a couple of celebs. It's all about the sound imo.
RobertPlatinum 2 years ago
honestly, i appreciate the fact that your trying to share your knowledge of mixing with others, and that many of beginners should be thankful of, BUT..... as a professional engineer and listening to your tips, i must say YOUR so wrong by having people SOLO the vocals without the music while their trying to make it sound good because the majority of the time you want the eq and compression of the vocals to fit what the music is doing and vise versa,
lynx0808 2 years ago
Protools comes standard with EQ plugins, i like using the 7-Band EQ 3... you'll want to adjust the 3k to about 5 or 6k down untill you get the sound you want
se7enpoint9 2 years ago
Thanxxx 4 the tips mann...
thedude903 2 years ago
Can someone please tell me there reverb for protools 7.4
OfficialYoungDiz 2 years ago
dverb comes with pt 7.4 but its kind of cheezy sounding. try cutting the highs and it should sound warmer.
yungASeva 2 years ago
What do you meen by cutting the highs?
OfficialYoungDiz 2 years ago
Lower the higher frequency in the track
se7enpoint9 2 years ago
frequencies
8past8 2 years ago
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culbreez 2 years ago
I'm sure he's just trying to speak on a universal level. No preference in terms of software. That's up to you for what you're using.
golbyaka 2 years ago 2
thx man by the video i can tell your humble and like to help others
McTerror2009 2 years ago 4
More than 4 what?
Threshold isn't the gain, It's how loud the audio has to be before the compressor reacts, for example -20 db
Mun0z387 2 years ago
I don't doubt that you know how to record and mix, but for people that are taking their first steps into mixing, this vid is quiet useless. "Compression on 4" - Talking 'bout ratio? Let's hope, cause most of the beginners don't even know what compression is.. Same with the reverb: it's true, reverb does help to make it sound more open, but someone who has to use reverb for the first time: auch. Maybe it would be good for you if you actually let people here the difference with the effects..
jimmyschepers 2 years ago
thanks man that helped alot
nasq2 2 years ago 3
i think he meant whislt you sort out how u want ur vocals to sound you should mute the instrumentals so u can hear the vocals properly
JoshJ1992 2 years ago