It's called civil disobedience, which is a big part of what this country was built on. The new owners of the Humboldt Redwood Company, formerly known as Pacific Lumber Co./PALCO, have agreed to permanently protect the remaining old growth on their land holdings. Many of those trees would be cut down, had it not been for the people living in them and physically protecting them from being destroyed. People did it out of love for nature, and it proved to be successful, in the end.
Why don't we just cut the tree down with them in it. Just give them one chance to get down, ask them nicely. Then cut it down. If they survive, fine. If not, who cares.
That would be murder, and trespassing has never been punishable by death. Seems like a no-brainer, yet I'm here to answer your questions, no matter how rediculous they may be.
cordius i couldnt agree with you more....NCEF i been on lots of PL(HRC)jobs and just so you know nothing has change... clearcut logging and if there is old growth it goes down too...whats really funny is that alot of the units were in were logged 20 years ago...redwoods grow fast...
2,000-year-old trees don't grow in 20 years. I know that the trees people were defending have been permanently protected, under the new HRC management, and I do believe that things have changed. I believe Mike Jani, the president of the new Humboldt Redwood Company, is an honest and sincere man, and I have yet to see or hear any real proof otherwise. Time will tell, yet I know that some of our objectives have been reached. NCEF! has successfully helped to save thousands of acres:)
2,000 yr old trees dont grow in 20 yrs ? REALLY???WOW???HAAHA....Im not sure but i think it probably takes about 2,000 yrs....Maybe you can post more of these "amazing facts"
So if a lot of the units you've been in were logged 20 years ago, how is there any old growth left for you to fall? That was my point. Maxxam didn't leave much, and 20 years ago would have been within the first few years of Maxxam reign. Clearcut logging will be phased out by the new Humboldt Redwood Company, and that's a victory that has been won through years of activism. Now even the industry folks are realizing that it's better to act responsibly, easier to do business without protests:)
clearcut logging will be phased out? maybe making money will be phased out too? clearcuts are safer and much more productive thats why its done responsibly.
Clearcut logging is a based on the short-term quick-profit model, which is part of the reason why Pacific Lumber went bankrupt and no longer exists. Selective harvest is more of a long-term economic strategy, providing forests and jobs over the long haul, instead of liquidating the standing timber quickly and laying off hundreds of workers within 2 decades. Look at how quickly Maxxam ran PL into the ground with their practices. Boom-and-bust only works for greedy CEOs, not the workers or HRC.
i would say that small clear cuts are the best...
it looks ugly but the forest has a different time line than human life... that tree in the vid is probably 120 years old by my guess.. redwoods grow fast for conifers trees...
While small clearcuts are better than huge clearcuts, the model we have in mind is selective cut only, which avoids the damaging effects of clearcutting. Even small clearcuts may require herbicides to keep the invasive species down, and herbicides are very toxic when they make it into watercourses, not to mention the diesel fuel that is used to carry the herbicides. Selective harvest can maintain a multi-layered canopy throughout the forest, which leads to an overall healthier forest.
@norcallogger : in all seriousness; when you cut a majority of mature trees in a couple of generations, you are far exceeding the replacement rate. do you want to spend several centuries without an established forest on these watersheds? perhaps see what happens to what is left of our fisheries? our economy?
there's got to be a future for this state, for your job, for ours, and this is not the way to go about it. it can't be that hard to see when you look at.
Please refrain from profanity; the last word of your comment is marginal, which is the only reason I approved it. We have a lot of students, teachers, parents, and children referencing our material, so I will not approve comments that are contain profanity. There is no direct connection between the NEC and NCEF!, we're only connected in the spirit of preserving nature. I'm anticipating a positive future with the HRC, and I believe protocol will be followed, if the need to trespass arises.
It's called civil disobedience, which is a big part of what this country was built on. The new owners of the Humboldt Redwood Company, formerly known as Pacific Lumber Co./PALCO, have agreed to permanently protect the remaining old growth on their land holdings. Many of those trees would be cut down, had it not been for the people living in them and physically protecting them from being destroyed. People did it out of love for nature, and it proved to be successful, in the end.
NCEFMedia 3 years ago
Why don't we just cut the tree down with them in it. Just give them one chance to get down, ask them nicely. Then cut it down. If they survive, fine. If not, who cares.
Cordius 3 years ago 2
That would be murder, and trespassing has never been punishable by death. Seems like a no-brainer, yet I'm here to answer your questions, no matter how rediculous they may be.
NCEFMedia 3 years ago
That's because the system in this country is broken.
Cordius 3 years ago
In most cases I would agree with you; in this case, however, I believe it is your morality that's broken.
NCEFMedia 3 years ago
We're not talking trespassing here....we're talking stupidity. Why would you sit in a tree someone wants to cut down. That is just stupid in my book.
Cordius 3 years ago
because you dont want it cutting down
livinginoneness9 3 years ago
cordius i couldnt agree with you more....NCEF i been on lots of PL(HRC)jobs and just so you know nothing has change... clearcut logging and if there is old growth it goes down too...whats really funny is that alot of the units were in were logged 20 years ago...redwoods grow fast...
robodeer 3 years ago
2,000-year-old trees don't grow in 20 years. I know that the trees people were defending have been permanently protected, under the new HRC management, and I do believe that things have changed. I believe Mike Jani, the president of the new Humboldt Redwood Company, is an honest and sincere man, and I have yet to see or hear any real proof otherwise. Time will tell, yet I know that some of our objectives have been reached. NCEF! has successfully helped to save thousands of acres:)
NCEFMedia 3 years ago
2,000 yr old trees dont grow in 20 yrs ? REALLY???WOW???HAAHA....Im not sure but i think it probably takes about 2,000 yrs....Maybe you can post more of these "amazing facts"
robodeer 3 years ago
So if a lot of the units you've been in were logged 20 years ago, how is there any old growth left for you to fall? That was my point. Maxxam didn't leave much, and 20 years ago would have been within the first few years of Maxxam reign. Clearcut logging will be phased out by the new Humboldt Redwood Company, and that's a victory that has been won through years of activism. Now even the industry folks are realizing that it's better to act responsibly, easier to do business without protests:)
NCEFMedia 3 years ago
clearcut logging will be phased out? maybe making money will be phased out too? clearcuts are safer and much more productive thats why its done responsibly.
robodeer 3 years ago
Clearcut logging is a based on the short-term quick-profit model, which is part of the reason why Pacific Lumber went bankrupt and no longer exists. Selective harvest is more of a long-term economic strategy, providing forests and jobs over the long haul, instead of liquidating the standing timber quickly and laying off hundreds of workers within 2 decades. Look at how quickly Maxxam ran PL into the ground with their practices. Boom-and-bust only works for greedy CEOs, not the workers or HRC.
NCEFMedia 3 years ago
i would say that small clear cuts are the best...
it looks ugly but the forest has a different time line than human life... that tree in the vid is probably 120 years old by my guess.. redwoods grow fast for conifers trees...
jwiska 2 years ago
While small clearcuts are better than huge clearcuts, the model we have in mind is selective cut only, which avoids the damaging effects of clearcutting. Even small clearcuts may require herbicides to keep the invasive species down, and herbicides are very toxic when they make it into watercourses, not to mention the diesel fuel that is used to carry the herbicides. Selective harvest can maintain a multi-layered canopy throughout the forest, which leads to an overall healthier forest.
NCEFMedia 2 years ago
@NCEFMedia clear cuts are done for a reason and then replanted to 2000 years from now the trees can get cut again
norcallogger 1 year ago
@norcallogger, nobody is growing 2,000-year-old trees, that's the problem.
NCEFMedia 1 year ago
@norcallogger : in all seriousness; when you cut a majority of mature trees in a couple of generations, you are far exceeding the replacement rate. do you want to spend several centuries without an established forest on these watersheds? perhaps see what happens to what is left of our fisheries? our economy?
there's got to be a future for this state, for your job, for ours, and this is not the way to go about it. it can't be that hard to see when you look at.
concretefeet 1 year ago
Please refrain from profanity; the last word of your comment is marginal, which is the only reason I approved it. We have a lot of students, teachers, parents, and children referencing our material, so I will not approve comments that are contain profanity. There is no direct connection between the NEC and NCEF!, we're only connected in the spirit of preserving nature. I'm anticipating a positive future with the HRC, and I believe protocol will be followed, if the need to trespass arises.
NCEFMedia 3 years ago