John, you should stick to gaming and leave the social commentary alone. Your logic is flawed and influenced by your schizophrenic worldview's presuppositions way too heavily for you to be objective or even honest about this subject. Either you believe that we have freedom or we don't. So democracy is only good if it is stuff you like and agree with? Weird.
@Benbonewilly2 "So democracy is only good if it is stuff you like and agree with? Weird."
There's a reason we don't vote on rights. It's because they are rights. I know this is a foreign concept to most people, but it was a fundamental concept to the design of our Republic.
matter consensual meaning it is the way it is because we believe it to be so what if in say 500 years murder is considered by most of the world to be right does it make it so or is there a natural or even supernatural law (if you believe in such things) that determines right and wrong
this brings me to another question what defines a consenting adult and in fact why does it matter. there are many cultures around the world that practice under aged marriage so who are we to tell them what to do. my question is this is society and lets say reality for that...
homosexuality in the past and just like a homosexual he has felt this way all of his adult life. my question is this is a gay marriage following the natural order human reproduction which the ritual of marriage was probable created to ensure. or is it simply a matter of the manifestation of a unhealthy mind seeking to define itself in some way. Or is it even simpler to say that it is a matter of belief if so in what Christianity and many other religions consider it a sin so why then would they
I have a question it involves a couple hypothetical of course you see theres this guy named Dave and he is hopelessly in love with this girl named Julia. He wants to marry her but there family's would never allow it and to make matters worse Julia cant have children but despite this Dave has repeatedly confessed his love for her and she for him. But unfortunately they will never marry because Julia is 8 years old and Dave 30 he knows pedophilia is considered a disease but rationalizes so was...
Marriage is a Human Right not a a civil one. If I want to marry my dog, I should be able too. If you think this is wrong, that is because it is a behavior taught you by someone else. Your ideology is different than mine. If I think people should only be allowed to where the color purple that is an opinion, not something that needs to be a law.
There is no logical difference between that view and yours, if you think their is you do not understand your own.
@thadrine Marriage is a Human right, but it is not an inhuman right you can not marry a nonhuman but because the rights of marriage is not covered in the rights of animals...to my knowledge only humans marry. Marrying be a legal and spiritual thing. Many species mate with one other of it's kind for life so mating is not a marriage thing (though I wonder if it should be.) I do like the argument though.
"I think homosexuality should be criticized like obesity, smoking, alcoholism." Please look at what you are saying! Comparing homosexuality with eg alcoholism, an addiction and/or mental issues! You are an incredible hypocrit. You're maybe saying that people can choose the lifestyle they want but in your head you are condeming them? Try to open your mind.
Let me just add that condemning homosexuality is not the same as making it illegal. I think it should be criticized like obesity, smoking, alcoholism (and such) are criticized. Homosexuality should not be paraded around as a legitimate alternate lifestyle choice, but people can choose that lifestyle if they want.
Nor did I ever say that same-sex marriage should be illegal. Like I said, leave it to the states. That's constitutional. I prefer they say "NO," but if they say "YES", their choice.
It has certainly been hijacked by Christians in this country as a religious thing... But humans have been condemning homosexuality on a moral basis long before religion existed.
Look, if you want to IM me or whatever, enigmatically to discuss this further, I am more than happy. We are taking up too much space here :)
Besides, these Propositions are state laws, not federal laws. If there was a federal law being passed banning same-sex marriage, John's argument holds more merit.
If this state wants to ban same-sex marriage and the other one doesn't, well let the state decide for itself. Despite all the cries of "unconstitutionality" and "human rights infringement" coming from libertarians and liberals , sorry, but these are constitutional.. as per the 10th amendment.
If you start defining marriage in the constitution, will the next thing be Catholics trying to define sex in the constitution? The amendment might say "sex is only for use conception" and then they can start outlawing birth control pills, condoms, and porn.
Interracial marriage used to be outlawed by similar faulty, bigoted logic.
If same-sex marriage is accepted then will pedophilia eventually by accepted as long as the parent(s) of the child in question is consenting?
Or how about bestiality marriage? Necrophilia too?
Would you say YES to those? We can marry anyone we want right?
Not too long ago, homosexuality marriage was considered UNHEARD of in our culture, to see the liberals having made such progress in brainwashing Americans in recent decades, is scary indeed.
Let's go hyperbolic in the other direction! Prop 8 passes, then the next thing they will want to do is outlaw inter-racial marriages, or inter-religious marriages. How's that for completely beside the point? Same with yours, buddy.
As I said. If the minor gets permission from his/her father/mother (a consenting adult) to allow pedophile marriage, what's stopping it.. besides, of course, common sense and morale sense?
Since they have no rights, we can do anything we want right?
Legislating morality ,slippery slope? It seems to work all over the world. In our society, many of our laws are based off of it.. Including speed limits and putting drinking age limits. Legislating morality is hard and takes practice but doable.
"Admit it: your beef with gay people originates with some bible passage and has nothing to do with anything else."
Uh no.. I am about as anti-religion as you can get. I am a freethinker and outspoken critic of religion.
My beef with gay people is realizing that the human body is not designed to take a penis up its crack in the same way it is not designed to take food up its nose, or share hypodermic needles...
I choose to prefer to live in a SANE society, preferably one with lower STD rates.
You're full of shit. If you're not gay you're not going to catch STDs from gay people having sex. STDs are spreading rampantly through heterosexual sex.
So because humans are not designed to smoke, drink, be fat, have body piercings, etc. members of those groups should be denied the right to marry also?
How would you feel, claiming to be a freethinker and outspoken critic of religion, if marriage was banned for atheists? Don't think that couldn't happen given all the religious zealotry.
STDs spread rampantly through heterosexual sex, but as many studies have shown, the STD rates among homosexual men is much higher(if not several times higher). Official studies have not been done on lesbians to know equivalent rates for them.
Your second point is non-sequitir. Having piercings, smoking, or drinking are different issues that, by themselves, don't directly apply to the theme of human sexuality.
So gay men should be denied rights because of STDs?
Lesbians have much lower risk of STDs than heterosexuals.
By your logic, only Lesbians should be allowed to marry and homosexual men and heterosexuals should be denied that right.
Obesity causes all sorts of medical issues, including increasing substantially the risk of miscarriage. Therefore fat people shouldn't be allowed to marry because being fat affects their ability to procreate.
Lesbians do not have lower STD risk than heterosexuals. This is a common misconception. As I stated, real studies have not been done to determine what those rates are. We just don't know.
HOWEVER, it stands to reason, that since STDs are transmissible through vaginal fluids, rates (particularly among the promiscuous) would be pretty high indeed.
It's health issues that leads many to criticize Obesity. Likewise, homosexuality should be condemned not accepted as a legitimate sexual choice.
Feel free to click on my handle and see the types of videos I have favorited if you have any doubt of my freethinker (anti-religion) status.
I would oppose any measure to ban marriage based solely on religious belief (or lack thereof). It would breach the 1st amendment. One's religious beliefs has nothing to do with being able to engage in proper sexuality. This is more non-sequitir. Babies are born atheist. Can't say the same for homosexuality.
Babies are born without bigotry in their hearts. Homophobia and Racism are learned traits. The ban on gay marriage is a religious thing; perhaps you were molested or raped? Are you confusing being victimized by a sexual predator with the love of monogamous, committed same-sex couples? That is the only reason I can come up with for why an otherwise rational or logical freethinker would ever be opposed to gay marriage.
First off, I am not a homophobe. As I do not hate nor "fear" homosexuals. They are people too. I am a Conservative that dislikes the behavior, that's all.
Second, comparing dislike of homosexual behavior and racism is apples/oranges. One's a dislike of a certain human behavior, the other is dislike of a person just because of who they are (or born as). Likewise, I dislike alcoholism, a despicable human behavior (and behavior one is not born with).
So if a group of gay people dislike "heterosexual behavior" and seek to nullify and ban your right to marry, you're totally cool with that?
Disliking someone for being gay is no different than disliking someone for their skin color. Both are inborn traits just like how people are born white or black or born gay or heterosexual or bi.
The only reason to dislike someone for haviing same-sex attractions is because you think that God dislikes gay people or obsessing over other's sex life.
Watch my video and explain to me how disliking gay sex is a good reason to deny rights while still justifying allowing heterosexuals to marry regardless of whatever kinky fetishes they engage in.
BTW, regarding "religion".. If you believe in God, but don't believe in religion.. Check out Deism if you haven't already. It's the only thing that makes sense to me. :)
"Both are inborn traits just like how people are born white or black or born gay or heterosexual or bi."
:( Another innocent soul who believes this liberal myth. I really need to IM you and show you this is not supported by science.
"Disliking someone for being gay is no different than disliking someone for their skin color."
Sigh. I don't dislike ANYBODY because of their orientation. I have gay friends. I am straight and have dated bisexual females. I just think they are misguided.
@lancerCNCS1 I'm going to disagree with this one. Homophobia and racism are not learned traits. I think it is the natural reaction a symptom of fear. I have watched homophobes and Racists learn to over come they're fear of the unknown and embrace other racists and homosexuals as people, and with Love...Yes Christian people.
There are tons of married, heterosexual gamers who are opposed to Prop 102 and Prop 8. I personally know quite a few; they are by and large libertarian.
Tell me, does Buddhism have gay marriage? Does Jewish religion have gay marriage? Does Islam have gay marriage? Does Shintoism have gay marriage? Does Confusism have gay marriage?
He is wrong on his scare mongering about (finger pointing in the air) "ONE RELIGION, ONE!" So it seems that there is a broad cultural consensus among MANY PEOPLE about exactly what marriage means
And he also maligns the Republican position about limiting rights. They support legal fairness, even for gays.
Finally, John! Something we can completely agree on!
Religion has only one place in the Constitution: The 1st amendment, wherein we learn we have the freedom to believe and worship any way we choose. To have any faith we want. To be married any way we want.
It's already there, folks! Don't vote for overturning the 1st amendment! Take a look at it and realize it's the best thing we as Americans ever put down on paper!
That's funny this is what the 1st Amendment ACTUALLY says..
"
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. "
Be married ANYWAY we want? I see that nowhere.
Voting FOR or AGAINST these propositions are both constitutional positions.
Actually yes. The state has to respect the religion, in other words if the religion allows gay marriage, the state MUST allow gay marriage. Anything else infringes on how one exercises their religion. Hence unconstitutional.
It's a good idea to study before you type, not just post text of the constitution, but how that text has been interpreted by the law.
I'm suprised you even have to vote for this. Ofcourse religion shouldn't define something like this. Religion and Politic should always be kept separate.
This isn't the first time something like this happened. A man once looked a group of people he didn't like and decided they shouldn't be in his sight. Believing that what he was doing was right for his country, he made a law that stated that those people couldn't live in his country. His name was Adolf Hitler, and this simple belief caused World War II. Senators need to learn from the past, then look at our constitution before deciding what WE THE PEOPLE should believe in.
I agree with everything you've said, which is why-for the first time ever-I have registered to vote. At first, it seemed that prop 8 would get righteously slapped down, but after the Mormon Church sent so many dollars from out of state to sway CA voters, I saw that popular opinion was headed in a nonsensical place and that MY VOTE COUNTS. only wish my well-reasoned and not at all emotional essay against prop8(which I wrote for my english 101 class) could be posted somewhere for undecided voters
Not saying this is a perfect treatise, but I'm with you. The government has two choices: recognize marriage or don't. They should not be able to dictate who can marry, as long as the involved parties are mature, sane adults.
John, you should stick to gaming and leave the social commentary alone. Your logic is flawed and influenced by your schizophrenic worldview's presuppositions way too heavily for you to be objective or even honest about this subject. Either you believe that we have freedom or we don't. So democracy is only good if it is stuff you like and agree with? Weird.
Benbonewilly2 3 months ago
@Benbonewilly2 Please give me an example of my "schizophrenic worldview."
LordStrange 3 months ago
@Benbonewilly2 "So democracy is only good if it is stuff you like and agree with? Weird."
There's a reason we don't vote on rights. It's because they are rights. I know this is a foreign concept to most people, but it was a fundamental concept to the design of our Republic.
You don't get to vote on other people's *rights*.
LordStrange 3 months ago
matter consensual meaning it is the way it is because we believe it to be so what if in say 500 years murder is considered by most of the world to be right does it make it so or is there a natural or even supernatural law (if you believe in such things) that determines right and wrong
shadowcell1 2 years ago
this brings me to another question what defines a consenting adult and in fact why does it matter. there are many cultures around the world that practice under aged marriage so who are we to tell them what to do. my question is this is society and lets say reality for that...
shadowcell1 2 years ago
wish to get married at any ceremony at all especially if they were religious and knew they would be condemned for it
shadowcell1 2 years ago
homosexuality in the past and just like a homosexual he has felt this way all of his adult life. my question is this is a gay marriage following the natural order human reproduction which the ritual of marriage was probable created to ensure. or is it simply a matter of the manifestation of a unhealthy mind seeking to define itself in some way. Or is it even simpler to say that it is a matter of belief if so in what Christianity and many other religions consider it a sin so why then would they
shadowcell1 2 years ago
I have a question it involves a couple hypothetical of course you see theres this guy named Dave and he is hopelessly in love with this girl named Julia. He wants to marry her but there family's would never allow it and to make matters worse Julia cant have children but despite this Dave has repeatedly confessed his love for her and she for him. But unfortunately they will never marry because Julia is 8 years old and Dave 30 he knows pedophilia is considered a disease but rationalizes so was...
shadowcell1 2 years ago
I think you missed the "consenting adults" part.
LordStrange 2 years ago
Marriage is a Human Right not a a civil one. If I want to marry my dog, I should be able too. If you think this is wrong, that is because it is a behavior taught you by someone else. Your ideology is different than mine. If I think people should only be allowed to where the color purple that is an opinion, not something that needs to be a law.
There is no logical difference between that view and yours, if you think their is you do not understand your own.
No, I am not gay.
thadrine 3 years ago
Your dog is not capable of rational consent.
THAT makes it different.
bogganstoryteller 2 years ago
Your dog is your property too. Can't marry property.
nindall 2 years ago
@thadrine Marriage is a Human right, but it is not an inhuman right you can not marry a nonhuman but because the rights of marriage is not covered in the rights of animals...to my knowledge only humans marry. Marrying be a legal and spiritual thing. Many species mate with one other of it's kind for life so mating is not a marriage thing (though I wonder if it should be.) I do like the argument though.
MrPrior69 1 year ago
There is more than just ONE religion with that definition
BDNt12 3 years ago
@BDNt12 Christianity, Islam and Judaism being the big three.
MrPrior69 1 year ago
"I think homosexuality should be criticized like obesity, smoking, alcoholism." Please look at what you are saying! Comparing homosexuality with eg alcoholism, an addiction and/or mental issues! You are an incredible hypocrit. You're maybe saying that people can choose the lifestyle they want but in your head you are condeming them? Try to open your mind.
ionowak 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
GAYS = Officially Pwned!
By the way, I voted YES on 8
setafire212 3 years ago
Let me just add that condemning homosexuality is not the same as making it illegal. I think it should be criticized like obesity, smoking, alcoholism (and such) are criticized. Homosexuality should not be paraded around as a legitimate alternate lifestyle choice, but people can choose that lifestyle if they want.
Nor did I ever say that same-sex marriage should be illegal. Like I said, leave it to the states. That's constitutional. I prefer they say "NO," but if they say "YES", their choice.
lancerCNCS1 3 years ago
"The ban on gay marriage is a religious thing"
It has certainly been hijacked by Christians in this country as a religious thing... But humans have been condemning homosexuality on a moral basis long before religion existed.
Look, if you want to IM me or whatever, enigmatically to discuss this further, I am more than happy. We are taking up too much space here :)
lancerCNCS1 3 years ago
Besides, these Propositions are state laws, not federal laws. If there was a federal law being passed banning same-sex marriage, John's argument holds more merit.
If this state wants to ban same-sex marriage and the other one doesn't, well let the state decide for itself. Despite all the cries of "unconstitutionality" and "human rights infringement" coming from libertarians and liberals , sorry, but these are constitutional.. as per the 10th amendment.
lancerCNCS1 3 years ago
John, your entire rant is a strawman.
The propositions were not about banning marriage for members of certain religions or any sort of religious "bigotry."..
Last time I checked, the measures were *only* to ban marriage against same-sex couples. Your slippery slope argument makes no sense.
Religion need not necessarily be the rationale for voting for the Propositions..
Why say YES?
It is called "common sense" and a desire to maintain traditional values and live in a sane society.
lancerCNCS1 3 years ago
This is starting a slippery slope.
If you start defining marriage in the constitution, will the next thing be Catholics trying to define sex in the constitution? The amendment might say "sex is only for use conception" and then they can start outlawing birth control pills, condoms, and porn.
Interracial marriage used to be outlawed by similar faulty, bigoted logic.
enigmatically 3 years ago
The only slippery slope I see is THIS..
If same-sex marriage is accepted then will pedophilia eventually by accepted as long as the parent(s) of the child in question is consenting?
Or how about bestiality marriage? Necrophilia too?
Would you say YES to those? We can marry anyone we want right?
Not too long ago, homosexuality marriage was considered UNHEARD of in our culture, to see the liberals having made such progress in brainwashing Americans in recent decades, is scary indeed.
lancerCNCS1 3 years ago
Let's go hyperbolic in the other direction! Prop 8 passes, then the next thing they will want to do is outlaw inter-racial marriages, or inter-religious marriages. How's that for completely beside the point? Same with yours, buddy.
azirk83 3 years ago 2
Dude.. First off the 1st amendment makes clear about freedom of religion.. later amenmdments address race. So no.
Don't confuse legitimate morale issues with nonsensical propositions you made up that nobody would ever agree with.
lancerCNCS1 3 years ago
the only brainwashing here is your ignorance at comparing homosexuality to pedophilia and bestiality.
Minors are not consenting adults. Animals are not even human and have no rights. Dead people have no rights.
The only slippery slope here is legislating morality.
Admit it: your beef with gay people originates with some bible passage and has nothing to do with anything else.
The whole argument against gay people is based in religious dogma.
HOmophobia and racism are identical.
enigmatically 3 years ago
As I said. If the minor gets permission from his/her father/mother (a consenting adult) to allow pedophile marriage, what's stopping it.. besides, of course, common sense and morale sense?
Since they have no rights, we can do anything we want right?
Legislating morality ,slippery slope? It seems to work all over the world. In our society, many of our laws are based off of it.. Including speed limits and putting drinking age limits. Legislating morality is hard and takes practice but doable.
lancerCNCS1 3 years ago
"Admit it: your beef with gay people originates with some bible passage and has nothing to do with anything else."
Uh no.. I am about as anti-religion as you can get. I am a freethinker and outspoken critic of religion.
My beef with gay people is realizing that the human body is not designed to take a penis up its crack in the same way it is not designed to take food up its nose, or share hypodermic needles...
I choose to prefer to live in a SANE society, preferably one with lower STD rates.
lancerCNCS1 3 years ago
You're full of shit. If you're not gay you're not going to catch STDs from gay people having sex. STDs are spreading rampantly through heterosexual sex.
So because humans are not designed to smoke, drink, be fat, have body piercings, etc. members of those groups should be denied the right to marry also?
How would you feel, claiming to be a freethinker and outspoken critic of religion, if marriage was banned for atheists? Don't think that couldn't happen given all the religious zealotry.
enigmatically 3 years ago 2
"You're full of shit."
Why thank you ma'am..
STDs spread rampantly through heterosexual sex, but as many studies have shown, the STD rates among homosexual men is much higher(if not several times higher). Official studies have not been done on lesbians to know equivalent rates for them.
Your second point is non-sequitir. Having piercings, smoking, or drinking are different issues that, by themselves, don't directly apply to the theme of human sexuality.
lancerCNCS1 3 years ago
So gay men should be denied rights because of STDs?
Lesbians have much lower risk of STDs than heterosexuals.
By your logic, only Lesbians should be allowed to marry and homosexual men and heterosexuals should be denied that right.
Obesity causes all sorts of medical issues, including increasing substantially the risk of miscarriage. Therefore fat people shouldn't be allowed to marry because being fat affects their ability to procreate.
enigmatically 3 years ago
also, piercings are often used to express sexuality.
enigmatically 3 years ago
Lesbians do not have lower STD risk than heterosexuals. This is a common misconception. As I stated, real studies have not been done to determine what those rates are. We just don't know.
HOWEVER, it stands to reason, that since STDs are transmissible through vaginal fluids, rates (particularly among the promiscuous) would be pretty high indeed.
It's health issues that leads many to criticize Obesity. Likewise, homosexuality should be condemned not accepted as a legitimate sexual choice.
lancerCNCS1 3 years ago
Feel free to click on my handle and see the types of videos I have favorited if you have any doubt of my freethinker (anti-religion) status.
I would oppose any measure to ban marriage based solely on religious belief (or lack thereof). It would breach the 1st amendment. One's religious beliefs has nothing to do with being able to engage in proper sexuality. This is more non-sequitir. Babies are born atheist. Can't say the same for homosexuality.
lancerCNCS1 3 years ago
Babies are born without bigotry in their hearts. Homophobia and Racism are learned traits. The ban on gay marriage is a religious thing; perhaps you were molested or raped? Are you confusing being victimized by a sexual predator with the love of monogamous, committed same-sex couples? That is the only reason I can come up with for why an otherwise rational or logical freethinker would ever be opposed to gay marriage.
enigmatically 3 years ago
"Homophobia and Racism are learned traits"
First off, I am not a homophobe. As I do not hate nor "fear" homosexuals. They are people too. I am a Conservative that dislikes the behavior, that's all.
Second, comparing dislike of homosexual behavior and racism is apples/oranges. One's a dislike of a certain human behavior, the other is dislike of a person just because of who they are (or born as). Likewise, I dislike alcoholism, a despicable human behavior (and behavior one is not born with).
lancerCNCS1 3 years ago
So if a group of gay people dislike "heterosexual behavior" and seek to nullify and ban your right to marry, you're totally cool with that?
Disliking someone for being gay is no different than disliking someone for their skin color. Both are inborn traits just like how people are born white or black or born gay or heterosexual or bi.
The only reason to dislike someone for haviing same-sex attractions is because you think that God dislikes gay people or obsessing over other's sex life.
enigmatically 3 years ago 4
Watch my video and explain to me how disliking gay sex is a good reason to deny rights while still justifying allowing heterosexuals to marry regardless of whatever kinky fetishes they engage in.
enigmatically 3 years ago 3
BTW, regarding "religion".. If you believe in God, but don't believe in religion.. Check out Deism if you haven't already. It's the only thing that makes sense to me. :)
I will watch your video.
lancerCNCS1 3 years ago
"Both are inborn traits just like how people are born white or black or born gay or heterosexual or bi."
:( Another innocent soul who believes this liberal myth. I really need to IM you and show you this is not supported by science.
"Disliking someone for being gay is no different than disliking someone for their skin color."
Sigh. I don't dislike ANYBODY because of their orientation. I have gay friends. I am straight and have dated bisexual females. I just think they are misguided.
lancerCNCS1 3 years ago
@lancerCNCS1 I'm going to disagree with this one. Homophobia and racism are not learned traits. I think it is the natural reaction a symptom of fear. I have watched homophobes and Racists learn to over come they're fear of the unknown and embrace other racists and homosexuals as people, and with Love...Yes Christian people.
MrPrior69 1 year ago
I like your passion. It's rare for a gamer to be for marriage equality. Thanks for taking a stand for people's rights.
=*=*=*= VOTE NO on PROP 8 =*=*=*=
NOtoPROP8 3 years ago
There are tons of married, heterosexual gamers who are opposed to Prop 102 and Prop 8. I personally know quite a few; they are by and large libertarian.
enigmatically 3 years ago
I just hope they vote.
NOtoPROP8 3 years ago
They do :)
enigmatically 3 years ago
I'm married and a gamer, and I'd vote no in a heartbeat if I lived in the proper location...
azirk83 3 years ago
Now I wonder what the back of that teeshirt says.
LuisureSuitLarry 3 years ago
Tell me, does Buddhism have gay marriage? Does Jewish religion have gay marriage? Does Islam have gay marriage? Does Shintoism have gay marriage? Does Confusism have gay marriage?
He is wrong on his scare mongering about (finger pointing in the air) "ONE RELIGION, ONE!" So it seems that there is a broad cultural consensus among MANY PEOPLE about exactly what marriage means
And he also maligns the Republican position about limiting rights. They support legal fairness, even for gays.
flydye45 3 years ago
Finally, John! Something we can completely agree on!
Religion has only one place in the Constitution: The 1st amendment, wherein we learn we have the freedom to believe and worship any way we choose. To have any faith we want. To be married any way we want.
It's already there, folks! Don't vote for overturning the 1st amendment! Take a look at it and realize it's the best thing we as Americans ever put down on paper!
azirk83 3 years ago
That's funny this is what the 1st Amendment ACTUALLY says..
"
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. "
Be married ANYWAY we want? I see that nowhere.
Voting FOR or AGAINST these propositions are both constitutional positions.
lancerCNCS1 3 years ago
Actually yes. The state has to respect the religion, in other words if the religion allows gay marriage, the state MUST allow gay marriage. Anything else infringes on how one exercises their religion. Hence unconstitutional.
It's a good idea to study before you type, not just post text of the constitution, but how that text has been interpreted by the law.
azirk83 3 years ago
Gay marriage and religion are too separate issues. Don't get them confused.
So if a religion allows murder, the state should allow murder. Nice slippery slope there.
In Islam, disrespectful women may be killed by their husbands. Should we allow this in this country? We have a large Islam population.
The one who needs to read is you who is trying to re-interpret the Constitution to fit your own liberal agenda.
lancerCNCS1 3 years ago
"two" not "too"
lancerCNCS1 3 years ago
I'm suprised you even have to vote for this. Ofcourse religion shouldn't define something like this. Religion and Politic should always be kept separate.
W4RW017 3 years ago
This isn't the first time something like this happened. A man once looked a group of people he didn't like and decided they shouldn't be in his sight. Believing that what he was doing was right for his country, he made a law that stated that those people couldn't live in his country. His name was Adolf Hitler, and this simple belief caused World War II. Senators need to learn from the past, then look at our constitution before deciding what WE THE PEOPLE should believe in.
jesternario 3 years ago
I agree with everything you've said, which is why-for the first time ever-I have registered to vote. At first, it seemed that prop 8 would get righteously slapped down, but after the Mormon Church sent so many dollars from out of state to sway CA voters, I saw that popular opinion was headed in a nonsensical place and that MY VOTE COUNTS. only wish my well-reasoned and not at all emotional essay against prop8(which I wrote for my english 101 class) could be posted somewhere for undecided voters
heyyoumonkey 3 years ago
make a video here on youtube about it
jesternario 3 years ago
Not saying this is a perfect treatise, but I'm with you. The government has two choices: recognize marriage or don't. They should not be able to dictate who can marry, as long as the involved parties are mature, sane adults.
Peace.
stormcrow71 3 years ago
stop the hate, vote NO on 8.
pjh2003 3 years ago 2
Preach brother, preach!
wafflesmacduff 3 years ago