1 Minute Guide - 4 Gate

[beegoodyy]

"Do a perfect split with those workers to look cool". omg you killed me there xD

[MrCooltoni]

3RD pylon should be proxy for the best 4gate

[zeeksmunki300]

started the video, looked away to high five my mom for making me noodles and the video was done

[alexandertrefz]

Sentrys are important against P too, also, against P, do a 10 gate or you will be crushed. Additionally, if you delay the first chrono, you can put down the gate at 12 and constantly produce probes.

[Nanogen28]

Music at the end (Piano) please ? i know it, but don't remember ! Please =) !!

[Rawcows]

funny shitxd

[ryl417]

that took forever

[Waskapmutni]

Erm, I guess this is supposed to be a serious guide, or at least so it seems, but... I'm so sorry, I just can't stop laughing my ass of at this :/

[talesoflumin]

@Waskapmutni It is not that serious, never that serious! :P

[Waskapmutni]

@talesoflumin well I watched all of them and... you seriously need to make more 1-minute guides. Or perhaps 5-minute tutorials or newbie-guides or something ^^ I watched them all and I want more <3 Do you actually speak that fast or just speed it up afterwards?

[talesoflumin]

@Waskapmutni Aah, glad you enjoyed it! I will be making another one soon but they do take a lot of time! I talk that fast, I don't speed it up. It takes a lot of tries to get it right :P

[RezaarSwe]

@Waskapmutni It is serious. But gives you an extra smile :P

[toxic2waste]

You sound so much like zero punctuation, that's who i thought it was at first! 0.0

[talesoflumin]

@toxic2waste Haha, I hope that's a good thing at least :P

[T810G]

wow that would be such a late rush... my warp gate finishes and i wan usually warp in at 6 minutes.. my tip is to get a gateway at 12.. and as soon as it finishes drop a cybernetics core.. then research warp and chrono as much as u can. after ur second assimilator at 20, start building those gateways

[paulplayswow]

Its the accent that makes it amazing :D

[talesoflumin]

@paulplayswow Aww! Glad you like it! : )

[devilnouz]

@talesoflumin ZA ftw beibei

[talesoflumin]

@devilnouz <3

[TheRainfield]

AWESOME!

[talesoflumin]

@TheRainfield Yay! ^.^

[Jozie88]

Very good !! give us more like this :D all worthless shit talk left away and only important things told. GJ :)

[talesoflumin]

@Jozie88 Haha thanks a lot :P

[penisculatus]

you're a fucking idiot

[talesoflumin]

@penisculatus That's not very nice :P

[Adeon55]

@talesoflumin You're a fucking genius! :)

[talesoflumin]

@Adeon55 Aww <3

[Yoshi17th]

WOW

this is amazingly good! 10/10!

Seriously wow at the quality of this =O

Thanks haha!

[talesoflumin]

@Yoshi17th Aww glad you enjoyed it, thanks a lot for the comment, too! :D

[P1zzaSH4RK]

It's unfortunate that 4gate is really easy to beat if you know it's coming. Lack of sentries will cripple you versus Terran, too. Mass Stalkers vs Terran is also a mistake - Marauders will eat them alive. Sentry+Zealot with some Stalker support works best vs Terran. Pop Guardian Shield, corral them with Force Field, and watch Zealots carve them up.

Your first unit should always be a Sentry, not a Zealot, unless you need to defend against 6pool.

[talesoflumin]

@P1zzaSH4RK That's true, I guess, bt it is still a great strat to know, especially for PvP!

[P1zzaSH4RK]

@talesoflumin Not really. 3gate/robo will trash 4gate, especially if you go stalker-heavy (sentries will trash a zealot-heavy build.) 3gate/sentry expand will be able to handle a 4gate push while also getting an expansion up.

4gate will work fine against low- and mid-level players, especially since they might not be able to handle a well-played 4gate, but it won't get you anywhere against high-level players.

[talesoflumin]

@P1zzaSH4RK Ah, I guess so, but if you can get a nice proxy pylon down or do a korean style 4gate things can be different, too!

[IAmBadatStarcraft]

Unfortunately, 12 gate is almost strictly better than 13 gate in terms of 4 gating. =/

[talesoflumin]

@IAmBadatStarcraft Awww! : (

[nageljeuk]

@IAmBadatStarcraft real ballers apparently go 8 pylon 8 gate.

I had a PvP, this guy at the start in the chat starts flaunting about how he has an invincible PvP build and that I will see how hard it is, I come into his base and think 'Oh, standard 10gate, cuts probes of gas, korean 4gate, seen it before, so I just do a standard 3gate defence against that and end up holding it, then he gets angry and actually starts harassing me in chat, replay showed that he actually went 8 pylon 8 gate...

[talesoflumin]

@Arkons88 haha, I guess so!

[MonkeyBaconTV]

:D

[talesoflumin]

@MonkeyBaconTV ^.^

[TcpfMs]

@talesoflumin :D wow you talk fast now to go memorize this :P

[xPloSiVgT]

Hehe, good ol 4 gate. About to die in next patch

[talesoflumin]

@xPloSiVgT To many StarCraft players' delight!

[misery2951]

@talesoflumin most certainly still works, just not so well in pvp

[talesoflumin]

@misery2951 Oh, well that's great to hear! :P

[Naidonis]

:D

[talesoflumin]

@Naidonis : )

[DeliriumSC]

@talesoflumin =)

[zzerrattull]

Subscribed :D

[talesoflumin]

@zzerrattull Aww great! ^.^ You'll be happy to know there's more coming really, really soon! :P

[ppshchik]

All Protoss players are fags.

[talesoflumin]

@ppshchik Haha, I'm not sure about that ! O_o

[djuraster]

4gate is for noobs

[talesoflumin]

@djuraster That's true, anyone can do it, yet it works so well!

[ShaunRL]

things wrong are 12 gate, not 13 and you dont build 2 more probes at 24 but a second stalker

[talesoflumin]

@ShaunRL It is not wrong, you just do yours differently. That replay I used was actually oGsMC doing pretty much everything as I explained it in the video, I guess he was doing it wrong too, then :P

[irishearthwormjim]

@talesoflumin 12 isnt wrong you just stalk the 5 troll and kick the plank on the 21 star gaze

[talesoflumin]

@irishearthwormjim Hahahahaa, man, well said!

[arghnews]

Very. Very. Nice video.

[talesoflumin]

@arghnews Aww thanks a lot! Glad you liked it!

[meatissodumb]

great video, man! perfect!

[talesoflumin]

@meatissodumb Ah, thanks a lot! Glad you liked it! :D

[Rollora]

could you please make a noob guide for terrans too ;)

One tactic that easily wins all matches, no matter what the opponent does?

Oh, i forgot, that doesn't exist for terrans ^^. But anyway, can you try? ;-)

[talesoflumin]

@Rollora Yea, don't worry. The T's and Z's out there will get some love in the next video! :D

I am sure I will find something interesting! :D

[Cloudvs]

@talesoflumin just mass marines and stim.

[Rollora]

@talesoflumin thx a lot, was hoping for that. I was trying to copy complicated pro tactics (while being countered by noob tactics) way too long and am now waiting for my revenge ;-)

[GoodOldN1ghty]

@Rollora 9- supply depot

10-> comsat (for mules)

10 -> rax

10 -> rax

10 -> rax

10 -> ray

jut produce alots of rines

-> rush at 7 minutes with like 20 mareins

works till diamond

[Rollora]

@GoodOldN1ghty k :-) thx, I will try that, although I am not really one that likes to do noobtactics/rushes. 1st rax has to be before orbital i think ;) and well lets hope he doesn't make a bunker, but because after the next (1.3.3.3) patch, you don't gat 100 Minerals back for salvaging a bunker, your rush may work even better :-)

[GoodOldN1ghty]

@Rollora actually yes,sry didnt saw the techtree in a while

youre mostlikly able to threw both out at once anyway, kinda like "rax , while you wait for the rax to finish you have 300 minerals/enough for a 2nd one)

just dont get more than 10 scvs

+

dont get addons,dont get stims,dont get reactors,takes you 1 minute mor for just 4 marines more.

also

scout for banelings, if enemy do baneling bust,this is the last tactic you wanna do

[Rollora]

@GoodOldN1ghty well tya, I'll try. This is kinda like the opposite I tried till today: always build scvs, don't lose a sec to go for the outfitting tech and so on. But you're right, i didn't ask for a build that kills them all (also in lategame), i asked for nooblike-rushtactics for terrans. I will take your and talesoflumin's advice and tear some 4-Gaters apart to show them how lame it is to play the same tactics over and over again ;-)

[GoodOldN1ghty]

@Rollora the fun thing is

4 gate can be counteret

4 rax rush cant if they dont scout

[Rollora]

@GoodOldN1ghty really? well wow thx a lot, i gotta try this now :)

But i will still go for a bit mor complex tactics in the feature, don't want to be one of those players who can only 1 tactic and if that doesn't work out, they don't know what to do and then do the rage-quit.

But now this makes some things from my former sc2 games clrear, where I lost and didn't know what i made wrong. thx 2u guys

[GoodOldN1ghty]

@Rollora

did it worked?

[Rollora]

@GoodOldN1ghty not yet, need better marine control it seems ;-)

[GoodOldN1ghty]

@Rollora

keep producing marines and se ta waypoiint near enemy base.

you need atleast 12 marines to 7 minutes(which is easy)

Should work

baisic micro is kiting against zealots and zerglings (A- Rightclick movement)

focus fire also is recommended to have

[talesoflumin]

@Rollora Haha yeah, but if you get enough marines you shouldn't have too much of a problem with anything! Just try control them as well as you can! ^.^

[creamwolf1]

@talesoflumin Thats not MC's 4 warpgate. MC does a 12 gate into Zealot - Stalker - Stalker. 3 Chrono's left when cyb finishes. You use 3 on Warp gate and 1 on the first stalker. and from there just add the gateways on 400 and move out .

[talesoflumin]

@creamwolf1 Ahh, I actually used an MC replay to do this, he did almost everything exactly like I explained in the guide :P

Oh well, perhaps it was just that one game!

[Rollora]

@talesoflumin hehe, I'll try. So all the others out there: more marineking style gameplay is on it's way, let's see how far I can get with it b4 I have too look deep into the "dirty and nasty sc2 tactics" book my m8 is writing (with his horrifying disturbing grin)... I'll drop some lines here, if something useful is in there, but I kinda guess so, since he is diamond and watches too much of gsl,tsl and so on

[talesoflumin]

@Rollora Haha, it seems like GoodOldN1ghty has sorted you out before I could even try! :P

[lonely1soul2]

how much crack were you on?

[talesoflumin]

@lonely1soul2 Ooooohhh too much to be spoken of in public! :P

[talesoflumin]

@TheMarine250789 lol, somehow I can see that working! Glad to see the other race players are enjoying it too! :P

[aboody1111]

omg i didnt expect this type of video! proud of you man!

[talesoflumin]

@aboody1111 Aww thanks a lot aboody! I don't think anyone expected it, not even me! :P

[SpySappingMyKeyboard]

@talesoflumin Ah! Stop talking so fast! Slow down!

[talesoflumin]

@SpySappingMyKeyboard Haha, then It might have gone over 2 minutes, that would have been terrible! :P

[Rage487]

Holy crap this is amazingly informative and i can't even begin to imagine how difficult it was to talk that fast lol :P Thank you so much talesoflumin.

[talesoflumin]

@Rage487 haha, yea, it took a lot of time to record it all that fast! Thanks a lot for the comment and I am glad you enjoyed it! There will be more coming soonish :D

[BlizzPort]

Fast guide for a fast win :) great video!

[talesoflumin]

@BlizzPort Hah, Indeed! Thanks for the comment BlizzPort, glad you enjoyed it! :D

[craftchest]

Alright! now there is the view count you deserve in a day :D

[talesoflumin]

@craftchest Haha, a bit of luck if you ask me! :D

Thanks for the comment CraftChest, hope all is well over in the CraftChest Nation :D

[DonBonjourno]

This is a SLOW build lol. 5gate 5:10 push would destroy this.

[talesoflumin]

@DonBonjourno Haha, I dunno about that... if you do that and the 4 gater defends it your chances of being able to come back are slim to none! :P

[DonBonjourno]

@talesoflumin well valid, but you need to kill them first :p either way the new patch will end both strats! Apparently toss were wildly OP!!!

[talesoflumin]

@DonBonjourno Haha, apparently they were!

[talesoflumin]

@Arkons88 Haha, you'd need a bit of micro and a really small map! Also, if you scout you could be ready for it! :D

[talesoflumin]

@Oxydox haha, yeah, well maybe that's just how some of us feel.. I think a 4gate will work against absolutely anything without knowing what it is! :P

[turbz123]

that was 1minute 30seconds :O

[talesoflumin]

@turbz123 Aww Turbz, thanks for the comment! The actual strat was only 1 minute, just a few extras and an outro that make it longer!

[kildal90]

I bet i would be masters if i played protoss :(

[talesoflumin]

@kildal90 Quite possibly! O_o The power of the 4 Gate is pretty crazy! :P

[visadx]

watching this as i queue up. time to instantly master playing toss

[talesoflumin]

@visadx Haha, good luck, let me know how it works out! :D

[hokans777]

Too bad this will be obsolete when the new patch comes out...

[talesoflumin]

@hokans777 Who knows when that will be... and I guess it will still be worth a laugh! I will be making more of them soon, so who cares! :D

[razor005]

Lol, too bad warpgate research is getting nerfed. But the reduced build time for units kinda counter acts this i guess so we can still get more units out just in our base instead of right at a pylon. Maybe some timing tweaks and the 4gate will still be good to go.

[talesoflumin]

@razor005 Yeah, the chances are it will still work, only differently. I think I'd have to change this strat up a bit when that happens, though!

[nathangonmad]

Pretty damn funny.

[talesoflumin]

@nathangonmad Aww, glad you enjoyed it! :D

[dbananaO]

lol as Zerg it is helpful to know what should i search for when i scout, thank you for this.

[talesoflumin]

@dbananaO Yeaah, the whole thing is quite useful as a zerg. If you know what you need to spot for it can make all the difference!

[casperghos7]

Aaaaaaaaaaannnnnd then warpgate research time nerfed from 140-180 seconds. Derp

[talesoflumin]

@casperghos7 haha, yeah. This strat will probably have a good few weeks of use before that happens, though, so everyone had better make the best of it!

[ViralSC2]

You don't need to walloff vs a zerg.

[talesoflumin]

@ViralSC2 You don't need to.... if you don't mind losing! :P

[ViralSC2]

@talesoflumin Watch Whitera's stream. :D 

[talesoflumin]

@ViralSC2 haha, but most of the world doesn't play like White-ra!

[vagdis]

Totally bookmarked+faved

[talesoflumin]

@vagdis Great! Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for the fav, and comment! :D

[Nobletopaz]

22 probe 4gate is defensive, you're missing out on one stalker with this build <.<

[talesoflumin]

@Nobletopaz Wellllll, it is more the 'standard' build. As I said there are lots of variations and it would be impossible to cover them all and make everyone happy. Sadly!

[pullhoon]

Thanks for ruining the game

[talesoflumin]

@pullhoon Awww : ( Only for those that don't play protoss! :P

Besides, if you're terran or zerg now you know how the 4 Gate works!

[scion544]

I don't think you told us to get gas. :P

[WTFBBQ888]

@scion544 he did

[talesoflumin]

@scion544 Yeaaah, I did! Assimilator!

[phadedlife]

You should make many more of these for all the different builds/rushes. It's actually incredibly useful and straight to the point. I haven't seen any other videos like this elsewhere.

[talesoflumin]

@phadedlife I will be doing it, don't you worry! Just keep checking back here. I can't say exactly when the next one will come out, but it will, and it will be glorious! :D

[ExleySC]

Masters Zerg here... it's frightening how powerful 1-base Protoss is against Zerg.

[talesoflumin]

@ExleySC Yeah, sadly. It also hardly matter what league the guy doing it is in, as long as he does it well!

[TheFavorite95]

I'm a zerg and I love this. Holding off a 4gate on 2base = autowin. You should tell them to place a zealot on hold position vs a zerg. 300 mineral runbys can be lethal

[talesoflumin]

@TheFavorite95 Yeah, I guess that's true aswell. I just assumed that I didn't really need to give every tiny little detail. I did say walloff, at least!

Who knows, I might have to re-do this someday anyway because of the changes in 1.3.3!

[ogfdnbvjkfdn]

Next step: Win the GSL twice.

[talesoflumin]

@ogfdnbvjkfdn Haha, and that's aiming LOW! :D

[pliskin100]

Fuck you for teaching protoss scrubs how to 4gate. 4gate is the downfall of PC gaming, and you've contributed to it. Congratulations.

[lostdrone]

Try this ONE month from now. It wont work and it will be funny to see cheesy protoss players try :)

Although there will probbly be some other super abusive build so... lol

[dtmtcm]

@lostdrone 4 gate has been around since beta and used in many pro tournaments -_-

[lostdrone]

@dtmtcm I'm talking about the up coming nerf to Warpgates. The research time will be extended but the ability to make units for the gateway individually sped up.

See how many tournaments it will be used then because the strength of this rush is how you can spit a lot of units out extremely quickly. -_-

[dtmtcm]

@lostdrone Lol, blizzard will have a patch out in a month suuuuuure -_-

And the nerfs aren't even known and for all we know, they could be buffs to help toss deal with it.

[lostdrone]

@dtmtcm Patch is now currently on the PTR -_-

It might not seem like much but then think about how many times you could have held it off if you had another 40 secs? And at that point in the game there a big difference in terms of economy. (especially for zerg)

It will still be around but the chances of winning are heavily diminished if you opponent can scout .

[talesoflumin]

@lostdrone Yeah, it may well be on the PTR but they will have to test it quite a bit before releasing!

[koosalakoopakoop]

@lostdrone link?

[Bladetek]

@lostdrone that is only a proposed idea. nothing is official as to what the change will be yet.

[talesoflumin]

@lostdrone Yeah, but a month of 4 Gating can both teach you a lot and get you some nice ranks! :P

[1ironfist1]

This is really the best SC2 how-to-video ever. Seriously. Make these for every common build. Seriously. As it is, you've earned my sub just for this video. Someone could make a LOT of money off of this, it might as well be you for doing it first.

[talesoflumin]

@1ironfist1 Haha, thanks a lot for the praise! I will be making more of them, for sure. I just can't do them TOO often, as they do take a lot of time and I have quite a few other things that I need to get done every week. I will probably aim at getting 2 or more of these out per month. Who knows!

[PhreshGaming]

Very good job =D

[talesoflumin]

@PhreshGaming Aww thanks! :D

[ReggieReturns05]

In PvP you put it down at 12 supply

[talesoflumin]

@ReggieReturns05 I think the way I explained it is slightly more standard. (seems to be, at least) and I think changes like that are pretty damn minor! :P

[cubemaster911]

You should do one on 3 rax

[talesoflumin]

@cubemaster911 Yeaah, I definitely will! :P

[wtflol30]

better guide - build 4 warp gates collect points

[talesoflumin]

@wtflol30 Haha, better name, that!

[iCIRCOS]

Do... Do you have any idea what you've just unleashed onto Silver League? Those poor souls... 

[talesoflumin]

@iCIRCOS Haha, I do and I feel that even the other races can benefit from this. Knowing how to beat a 4 Gate is pretty important, too!

[RoflIsland]

Do more of theese Sven! :)

[talesoflumin]

@RoflIsland @RoflIsland @RoflIsland Yeaah, I definitely will! I am not sure exactly when the next will come out, but hey, it will come! :P

[Yiega]

if you do a standard 4gate you dont get a pylon in your base at 26/26... you put that pylon down as a proxy pylon...

[talesoflumin]

@Yiega I feel that it is most definitely safer getting that 26 Pylon in your base... proxy pylons are never a sure thing!

[BeanXPFoX]

really well done sir

[talesoflumin]

@BeanXPFoX Thanks a lot, glad you enjoyed it! :D

[creamwolf1]

WTF, that is one of the worst 4 warpgates ive ever seen you are fucking terrible

~ master toss

[talesoflumin]

@creamwolf1 Tell that to oGsMC! :D

I think he is a Masters + Toss too, you may have heard of him! :D

[coldfusion66]

I think someone had a little too much coffee today morning..

[talesoflumin]

@coldfusion66 haha, yeaaahhhhhh. It did take me a long time to record all of it that fast, though!

[talesoflumin]

@Draheidnz I had the same kind of mixed feelings while making this, being a zerg myself O_o

Thanks for the like, and the comment, though! :D

[TheGryoz]

also, scouting does matter if its random then i guess :P

[talesoflumin]

@TheGryoz Haha yeah, but hey, it's a 4 gate, it will beat anything regardless of scouting knowledge! :P

[TheGryoz]

@talesoflumin not if the one conducting the 4gate gets hold off with cannons and insta quits when 2 void rays show up at his base...

[TheGryoz]

never understood how to 4gate rush and too lazy to google it, thanks for the vid!

also, nice views explosion :D