You claimed that this would be a new approach - it isn't. Take away all the apple nonsense and it boils down to "I believe because I have had a mystical experience." That puts you in the same category as every Christian, Jewish, Islamic, Hindu etc.. mystic who has ever lived. Nothing you say could not be attributed to electro-chemical neurological events. I have a nephew who used to hear voices in his head. Since he has been taking antipsychotic drugs they've gone away.
If we were BOTH wrong,,,,then there would be nothing here and we would not be here to argue the matter,,,ONE of us gotta be right, im putting bets on me!,,,,(Atheist)
I'm not a devout Christian. I have never been touched by god in a spiritual sense and I have never felt like he's been "there". I've tried, I was raised in a Christian upbringing but after studying the bible and researching, it all comes down to faith. I don't buy into something that I can't touch, see, feel or experience. I'm an agnostic. It's possible that god exists, but so far in my life I have seen no proof. It seems more logical that religion is used as a crutch for those who fear fadin
@TheGuitarguy1995 Listen, I know you probably don't believe what i am saying, but , i am going to tell you anyway.. God pulls away from you when you do not live for him, He waits until you are ready. ''For him to do unto you, you must do unto him'' Do you understand? If you start living by his word and worshiping him and accept him as your True living god, you will feel god and his benefits and mercy. :)
If man, through the application of scientific instruments and criteria, cannot perceive the existence of a thing, he cannot deny its existence simply because it is incompatible with material criteria, unless he disposes of some proof that the thing in question is impossible.
@1tabligh So... Bigfoot, Mario, Donkey Kong, Flying Unicorns, The Talking Shit God, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, Dragons, Dracula, Frankenstein, Ala, Zeus, Mickey Mouse, Goofy, Donald Duck, Thor, Raiden, Chronos, Atlas, Cinderella, Snow White, Gorganites, Power Rangers, Darth Vader, Chris Redfield, Nords, Niko Belic, Johnny Gat, Goku, Chewbacca, TheFlyingHippoDragonosaur, And ANY other thing I claim to be real, is real... because... you can't prove that its not? STFU dude.
@Helldog6 Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *unknowing and unperceiving *, is his creator and that of all beings?
No?
Then how can the duped atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
@1tabligh And who are you to conclude that because we cannot say how or why such things are created, and why such laws exist that YOUR god must be the explanation for it all? AND not only do you claim him to be the reason, you also claim him to exist outside the laws of the universe. You also claim that he is not restricted by laws of the Universe. He is also Invisible, intangible, omnipotent, all knowing... yet there are so many problems that could've been avoided yet here they are.
@Helldog6 Man's religious ties are an outgrowth of his nature, and materialism is something opposed to his nature. In accordance with his specific make-up, man will create his own god if he does not discover the true God, and the god he discovers may be nature or historical inevitability. This fa;we god takes the place of the true God with respect to comprehensiveness of authority, effectiveness of decree, and capacity to guide man on a certain path and propel him forward,
@1tabligh YOUR worship is misdirected. Your doing the same wrong your claiming others to be doing. You have no way of knowing which god is in fact THE god, yet you choose to worship yours claiming that your god is the right one. Your a hypocrite. On top of that, your not answering any of the questions I've put forward, and you ignoring the responses I've made and are simply rambling about things that are completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.
@Helldog6 Those who refuse to worship God find themselves prostrating before their inner idol; passion and desire rule every dimension of their beings.
Self-worship is a dangerous sickness that with its different manifestations in the individual and social life of man entails the most tragic misfortunes and disorders. It creates a powerful barrier between man and the truth and results in the breakdown of man's capacities of perception and the blinding of his inner being.
@1tabligh Here's the thing... I don't care about what the Qur'an says. Islam is a religion founded AFTER Christianity and even further after Judaism and EVEN FURTHER after many of hundreds (possible thousands) of religions before them. So before you preach, PROVE that Islamic beliefs and the Islamic religion are True. Until then shut... up.
@Helldog6 Unless a man is possessed of a firm and stable faith he remains a stranger to the ways of those who know God. His scepticism grows. He regards as acceptable whatever in life coincides with scientific thought and reading.He discounts anything that his sciences do not prove or even try to prove for him.
@1tabligh And as long as a man is "Possessed" into a firm and stable faith system, he will never see the truth, and instead will be hypnotized in the idiocy of Religious views. He will never see how Religion has failed to solve problems that it claims it could solve, and failed to present evidence where they claimed evidence could be found, and could never be able to provide evidence to show that religion is no more than a farce.
So much science for this uncivilized stupid brainless pseudo-Scientific Demagogue!
The atheist Delusion!
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
@1tabligh The Atheist Delusion? Your the one to talk. You have been so manipulated into thinking that evidence lays where evidence doesn't exist. You've been so manipulated that you can't see the stupidity in your logic. You've been SO manipulated that debunk EVERY argument you can come up with, and yet somehow, to you, it would still be logical. And how could ALL of you religious folk possibly claim to know that everything, in existence, came at the will of magical, invisible being
@Helldog6 The Qur'an says: "Do you not see the one who takes his own desires as god? God has made him go astray, despite his possession of knowledge; He has placed a seal on his ears and his heart and drawn a curtain of darkness over his eyes. Who other than God can guide him? Will you then not take heed?" (45:23)
@1tabligh That you have absolutely NO evidence for besides a book written at an unknown time, by unknown people, that we don't even know exists. On top of that you have the nerve to claim this as "fact"? Get real.
@Helldog6 The basis of religious thinking is thus left untilled and untended. He considers undeserving of attention any problem which cannot be taken in isolation from all religion, be judged by its outward appearance, and proved by experiment. Having grown used to scientific language, with its formulae and equations, he regards religious matters as lightweight and commonplace.
What is called science by the *science-worshippers* of the present age and regarded by them as equivalent to the sum total of *reality*, is simply a collection of laws applicable to a single dimension of the world. The result of all human effort and experimentation is a body of knowledge concerning a minute bright dot comparable to the dim light of a candle-surrounded by a dark night enveloping a huge desert of indefinite extent.
All praise is due to ALLAH, the Lord of the Universe.
One of the most destructive and misleading factors in thoughts concerning God is to restrict one's thought to the "logic" of the empirical sciences and to *fail* to recognize the *limits* and boundaries of that "logic".
Is that which is necessary in essence and which is considered the first source of existence matter itself or something else beyond the limits of matter?
@Helldog6 Before he enters the realm of science and knowledge with all its concerns, man is able to perceive certain truths by means of these innate perceptions. But after entering the sphere of science and philosophy and filling his *brain* with various proofs and deductions, he may forget his natural and innate perceptions or begin to doubt them. It is for this reason that when man moves beyond his innate nature to delineate a belief, differences begin to appear.
Your delusion that science has put out the notion of God is purely *rhetorical* and has nothing to do with logical method, because even thousands of scientific experiments could not possibly suffice to demonstrate that no non-material being or factor exists.
Your delusion is nothing more than a *fanatical* illusion based on unproven theories.
@1tabligh And your delusion is you think because we cannot prove that an Immaterial being DOESN'T Exist automatically means that does. Our proof that your assertion of fact is false, is that you HAVE no proof show that it True. Its NOT my, or any other non-believer, to PROVE your god doesn't exist... It's YOUR job to prove that he does.
Materialism looks at the world with one eye *closed* and, as a result, is unable to answer numerous questions!
Deluded atheist looks at the world with BOTH eyes *closed* and, as a result, are unable to answer ALL the questions!
Is that which is necessary in essence and which is considered the first source of existence matter itself or something else beyond the limits of matter?
@1tabligh Okay first of all bro. You didn't ask me a question. Oh wait... you asked... "how's tht for YOUR "get real"? In which case I would like to say... it was alright.
2) I'm not dodging anything. You didn't ask me a question worth responding too. Ask me a actual question and I'll respond.
3) Let me ask you a question. What proof or evidence do you have to show that God is real? 1 question answer it.
4) I don't know what the first source is. Nor have I ever ONCE claimed too.
@Helldog6 Let me ask you a question. What proof or evidence do ...
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Even if the followers of a religious school of thought had no proofs for their claim, to conclude firmly and forcibly that non- being reigns beyond the sensory realm would be a non-scientific choice, based on imagination and speculation.
Some people try to propagate this *fantasy* in the garb of science and to present their choice as having been dictated by scientific thought.
@1tabligh Your not still have not provide ANY evidence for god. Saying "well look... Scientist can't answer these questions so....GOD!" Its not an answer. Nor is it a valid response to the Question. I am asking you... PROVE that your god or a creator is real. Don't give me speculation, or false reasoning, give me... PROOF. Solid proof. That's all I want. I don't want "Well we can't explain it... so god."
@Helldog6 In the final analysis, however, the denial involved in such an assertion is unworthy of science and philosophy, and even *contradicts* empirical logic.
When the experimental sciences demonstrate that the elements and natural facrtors cannot exert any independent influence and do not possess any creativity; when all of our experiences, our sensory feelings, and our rational deductions point to the conclusion that nothing occurs in nature without a reason and cause
@1tabligh But fine. IF your gonna use that Logic... Who created the creator? How did the creator, create the things he created, without himself being a creation. As you already know, something can't come from nothing, so where did you god come from? Oh, you can't answer that?? Fine... Flying Spaghetti Monster. The Flying Spaghetti Monster, created your God. You don't think so? Prove me wrong. Prove that the Flying Spaghetti Monster DID NOT create your god.
@Helldog6 Your not still have not provide ANY evidence for god.
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Nope!
It's right there in front of your nose!
But you refuse to acknowledged!
READ MY COMMENTS WITH YOUR INTELLECT AND NOT WITH YOUR EMOTIONS!
Since the chain of causality cannot recede into infinity, they can answer only that matter is an eternal and timeless entity for which no beginning can be posited: matter is non-created, has no beginning or end, and its being arises from within its own nature.
@1tabligh Oh is that right. Well please, point it out, because I'm sniffing and there is no more evidence than there was before. And you... are an idiot. Stop.... Sticking words... in Atheist's mouths. Never once... has a RESPECTED Atheist claimed to know that Matter was Infinite. Now I'm going to ask you again... will you STOP copying other peoples work and use YOUR OWN head to come up with arguments? Or is that too difficult for you? You have to go copy off of other people?
@Helldog6 This means that the materialists accept the principle of eternity and non-origination; they believe that all things arose out of eternal matter and that being arises from within the very nature of matter, without any need for a creator.
In just the same way that atheist regards matter as eternal, believers in God attribute eternity to God. Belief in an eternal being is then common to materialist and religious philosophers:
@Helldog6 both groups agree that there is a primary cause, but believers in God regard the primary cause as wise, all-knowing, and possessing the power of decision and will, whereas in the view of the materialists, the primary cause has neither consciousness, intelligence, perception, nor the power of decision.
Thus, the removal of God in no way solves the problem posed by eternal being.
@1tabligh And throughout Your ENTIRE copy and pasted post, you...have...proved...NOTHING. You wanna talk about ME ducking answers? Look at you. You didn't answer ANYTHING. You just copied (from another website) a bunch of stuff that you feel answers my questions when in all actuality, the statements that forged have nothing to do with the topic at hand. I'm asking you to PROVE. You can't can you?
@Helldog6 Moreover, matter is the locus for motion and change, and its motion is dynamic and situated within its own essence. Now, essential motion is incompatible with eternity, and matter and essential stability are two mutually exclusive categories that cannot be fused in a single locus.
His Existence is not coming into Being from non-existence.
If in the course of developing the argument of the orderliness of the universe we attempt to prove the existence of a maker similar to the human maker, the divine maker will, in reality, also be a created being on the level of man; proving the existence of such a maker is an entirely different matter from proving the existence of the Maker and Creator of all being.
You...Are ....a Fucking Idiot... And a hypocrite. Not only... have you NOT presented ANY evidence towards the realism of YOUR god, you have further claimed to that EVERY other "God" from other religions are Fictitious. If you... Don't need to require any evidence for believing in your god, I don't either. Until... YOU can prove your god is more real than "my god", my god is Just as plausible as yours.
@Helldog6 and that all phenomena are based on an established system and specific laws, when all of this is the case, it is surprising that some people turn their backs on scientific principles, primary deductions and propositions based on reflection, and deny the existence of the Creator.
@Helldog6 Now, too, in the age of science and technology, when man has found his way into space, a considerable number of scientists have a religious outlook as part of the intellectual system; they have come to believe in the existence of a creator, a source for all beings, not only by means of the heart and the conscience, but also through deduction and logic.
Your Pseudo-Scientific Demagoguery does NOT at all, help cure your delusions!
We can raise precisely the same objection against the atheists and ask them, "If we follow the chain of causality back, we will ultimately reach the primary cause. Let us say that cause is not God, but matter. Tell us who created primary matter. You who believe in the law of causality, answer us Ws: if matter is the ultimate cause of all things, what is the cause of matter?
You say that the source of all phenomena is matter-energy; what is the cause and origin of matter-energy?"
@1tabligh Now if you would... Take your Al-Islam argument and take it else where. You assume I'm a Pseudo-Scientific Demagogue, but I'm not. I'm not using Science to argue the existence of god. I'm using reason and logic, and YOU are the one using Scientific Information in order to further bolster your Fallacious conclusion. Fact is... you have no evidence, so your taking the questions we don't yet have answers to and putting god in as the answer. Its idiotic.
@1tabligh And another thing... You claim in order for your god to be wrong, Atheists most PROVE that your god is indeed false. But you see, with you saying that my god is false YOU are now in the Atheists Position and YOU must prove the Pastafarian views are wrong. Until you can do that... Your wrong.
@Helldog6 ANSWER THE QUESTION INSTEAD OF QUIBBLING IN VAIN!
Eternity means stability and immutability of essence, the impossibility of cessation, but matter/energy is in its essence a compendium of forces and potentialities; it is relativity itself, totally caught up in living and dying.
Dodging ALL the questions and quibbling in vain!
Materialism looks at the world with one eye *closed* and, as a result, is unable to answer numerous questions!
I'm the one dodging questions? Are you retarded? You haven't answered a SINGLE question with an ACTUAL answer. So answer my question. PROVE THAT GOD IS REAL! Prove it... thats it. Just prove it. That's all I'm asking. So answer. PROVE GOD IS REAL.
@1tabligh Stupid Brainless Theist with your blind pseudo-intellectual mindset. I have no problem with Science. But your "Science" is clearly wrong. You haven't answered ANYTHING. Answer the question. And you STILL haven't proved how the Flying Spaghetti Monster is less logical that Your god. Wanna know why? BECAUSE ITS NOT! Its just as logical as Allah.
@1tabligh Ever heard "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
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So are you calling yourself a Fool? I guess I'd agree. I'm not the poor fella. You are. You know your wrong, you know your "logic" is flawed, and you know you have no proof whatsoever. Is logic too heavy for you to comprehend? Do you not have the physical ability and Mental capacity to understand that in order for you to claim osmething as fact, you actually PROVE its true.
@Helldog6 If man, through the application of scientific instruments and criteria, cannot perceive the existence of a thing, he cannot deny its existence simply because it is incompatible with material criteria, unless he disposes of some proof that the thing in question is impossible.
@1tabligh If we are using your argument toward this particular topic, the every single that has ever been worshiped is just as real and reliable as the god you choose to worship. This logic... used anywhere else.... is wrong.
Prosecutor: He did your honor!
Judge: Can you prove that he did indeed kill that man
Prosecutor: Can you prove that he didn't?
Judge: No... I can't
Prosecutor: See! I told you he did it.
Its impractical. Its asinine, and its a terrible argument.
@Helldog6 Eternity is incompatible with the mode of being possessed by matter and the factors and attributes necessitated by its nature. The belief of those who have faith in God concerning a fixed and absolute principle relates to a being who in and of his nature can accept stability and absoluteness; his nature is completely devoid of and remote from the properties of matter.
@1tabligh You STILL haven't proved that the Flying Spaghetti monster doesn't exist. That automatically means that he does? Bigfoot... Loch Ness... Aliens. ALL must be real because we can't prove he DOESN'T exist. How about the fact, that our evidence lies beneath the fact that YOU can't prove that he does exist. Your asserting the fact. You have to back it up. The Burden of Proof is on you. YOU claimed that God is real, YOU have to back it up.
@Helldog6 The very nature of matter refuses permanence, eternity and continuity, for it can never separate itself from movement, relativity, and it stands in opposition to being a prime or absolute agent.
@1tabligh That does not PROVE that YOUR god is true or more right then the others. Nor does it PROVE that YOUR god is infinite, omnipotent, personal, or all knowing. Furthermore, you have STILL not proved that the Flying Spaghetti monster is false... therefor its fact that The Flying Spaghetti Monster made god.
@Helldog6 Matter has different aspects and dimensions; it is immersed in quantity and multiplicity; and it acquires its various dimensions by means of attributes and properties. The necessary being, by contrast, is *free* of all such properties.
@Helldog6 All beings were originally non-beings; they were non-existent, and then they became existent. Deluded atheists wish to say that the energy/matter/universe/natural forces/ etc are eternal, but this notion is incorrect for the following reasons:
First, if the material energy/matter/universe/natural forces/ etc are eternal, it follows that an eternal being should be subject to change and cessation, which is impossible
@1tabligh You... Are SO blatantly stupid its not even funny. I'm honestly baffled by the amount of stupidity that could be within one human being. I'm, going to tell you this again.... ATHEISTS...DON'T... BELIEVE.... THAT! Do you want me to slow down for you? Make it so that you could understand it a little better? Here....
@Helldog6 We say, then, that the existence of a thing is not possible without a cause of a deficient thing, that is, whose fate is in the hands of its cause and whose permanence is dependent on the existence of its cause. This does not apply to a being that is conscious of its reality and exhibits no trace of defect and limitation.
@1tabligh Okay. Stop copying other peoples work. Are you that mentally insufficient that you mentally incapable of coming up with your own argument? Your an idiot. Your believing in the same thing you claim I believe. You believe that YOUR creator is the ultimate cause. And thats supposed to be proof? Your an idiot. You still have not presented ANY argument to show that YOUR god is not only real... but the RIGHT god. Nor have you presented any evidence to show that your god created...
@Helldog6 The link between cause and effect and the principle that *no* phenomenon will set foot on the plain of being *without* a cause, are among the strongest deductions ever made by man and count as indispensable conditions for intellectual activity. They represent something natural and primordial, assimilated automatically by our minds.
So much science for this uncivilized brainless pseudo-Scientific Demagogue!
Imprisoned as we are within the four walls of matter, we *never* encounter anything accidental in life, and, indeed, no one ever encountered, in the history of the world, an accident *not* arising from a cause. Were this not the case, we might have an excuse for regarding the universe as accidental in origin. ....
Stupid brainless cuckoo atheist with asinine mind!
@1tabligh lol. Your right. Everything happens with a cause. But that doesn't suddenly deem it this "causation" to be from the hand or work of god. Yes... everything is going to have a cause. So whats the cause of your god? And again.... wheres the proof. You still have yet to provide any. Stupid brainless cuckoo Muslim with an asinine belief system that he can't prove.
What kind of accident might it be that from the dawn of being to the present has guided the infinite interactions of all things, in so wondrous, precise and orderly a fashion?
Can the order we perceive be the reflection of mere accident and happenstance?
Materialism looks at the world with one eye *closed* and, as a result, is unable to answer numerous questions!
Deluded atheist looks at the world with BOTH eyes *closed* and, as a result, are unable to answer ALL the questions!
@Helldog6 Any supposable phenomenon in the universe was submerged in the darkness of non-being before it assumed the form of being. It *cannot* pierce the darkness of non-being and step forth on the plain of being as an existent thing *until* the powerful hand of causality sets to work.
@Helldog6 When the experimental sciences demonstrate that the elements and natural facrtors cannot exert any independent influence and do not possess any creativity; when all of our experiences, our sensory feelings, and our rational deductions point to the conclusion that nothing occurs in nature without a reason and cause and that all phenomena are based on an established system and specific laws,
@Helldog6 when all of this is the case, it is surprising that some people turn their backs on scientific principles, primary deductions and propositions based on reflection, and deny the existence of the Creator.
Now, too, in the age of science and technology, when man has found his way into space, a considerable number of scientists have a religious outlook as part of the intellectual system; they have come to believe in the existence of a creator, a source for all beings,
@1tabligh anything. Come up with your own arguments because you copying and pasting some other person's work, that is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand, Just makes you look stupid and idiotic. Odds are, you don't even know what your posting, your just taking stuff with big words because you think that it'll help your case. It doesn't. You haven't provided any PROOF that your god exists. And until you do so... Your Wrong.
@Helldog6 The Need of the World for One Without Need!
The principle of causality is a general and universal law and foundation for all efforts of man, both in the acquisition of knowledge and in his customary activities. The strivings of scholars to uncover the cause of every phenomenon, whether natural or social, arise from the belief that *no* phenomenon originates in and of itself *without* the intervention of causes and agents.
@Helldog6 "Second, if the elements comprising the energy/matter/universe/natural forces/ etc are eternal by virtue of their essence, how is it possible that they should enter the embrace of death and disappearance?
And if, conversely, they lack life in their essences, how can life surge forth from them?
@1tabligh Okay now listen stupid... you premise is false. So your ENTIRE argument is not only irrelevant, its pointless anyway... because it doesn't prove god.
@Helldog6 Belief in the eternity of the energy/matter/universe/natural forces/ etc is held by those who deny the existence of a ruler and planner of creation, reject the messengers of God, regard the books they bring as the fables of the ancients, and **** concoct **** beliefs pleasing to themselves.
@1tabligh Wrong. Yet again. I've told you time and time again. I don't believe that all existence is infinite. You wanna talk about concocting pleasing belief systems? Lets see. Look at your religion. You have NO evidence to prove that your god... or ANY god is real... ON TOP OF THAT... you believe in this religion because it makes your feel good. Makes you feel like you matter (which you don't), Makes you feel happy. ADD to on top of that, your asserting what you THINK I should
@1tabligh Different Atheists hold... *Gasp*... different beliefs. All Atheism is saying... Is "I do not believe in your or ANY god because YOU have no evidence to show that he exists". It doesn't tell you what I believe... it DOES, however, tell you what I lack belief in. Lets do a little bit of paraphrasing... okay?
@Helldog6 "If you say that living beings emerge from living elements and inanimate beings from inanimate elements, we reply that an essence that lacks life in and of itself cannot be eternal and cannot be the source for life.
@1tabligh Believe in place of what I ACTUALLY believe in order for you to try and bolster your conclusion, which is already false because you lack...
A) The correct premise
B) The correct evidence
and
C) The needed amount of CORRECT Information in order to acquire both A and B. Your argument is completely flawed. You have NO idea what I believe. NOR does my Atheistic stance tell you anything about what I believe because Atheism... is a LACK of belief.
@Helldog6 Views such as these derive directly from a system of thought centered on materialism; within it, everything is defined and delimited with reference to materialism.
To interpret materialism in such a sense is in the final analysis strictly meaningless; it would be a superstitious notion involving the perversion of truth, and to regard it as scientific would, in fact, be *treason* to science.
@1tabligh So I don't know. some other questions to you would be... how do you know? and Where is your evidence to support your claim of knowing? My views have NOTHING to do with Materialism. My atheistic and skepticism is actually the exact opposite of having both eyes closed. YOU blindly follow a religion that you have NO proof for. YOU blindly claim facts without providing evidence. YOU believe in something you can't see, hear, touch, feel, or taste. YOU are the blind one. Not me.
@Helldog6 unhindered by anyone's desires. This is the source of the trade in false gods, the adherence to the new idolatry, that would cruelly sacrifice God to history and exchange a pearl for a bead. Alas that so many people smitten with self-inflicted abjection have bowed down before the idol they themselves have fashioned and deified! They have turned away from the peerless creator and willingly accepted the polluting disgrace of such misdirected worship.
@Helldog6 If numerous gods ruled over the world and each of these gods acted and gave commands in accordance with his own will, the order of the universe would dissolve into anarchy.
If there were, in the heavens and the earth, other gods besides Allah, there would have been confusion in both! but glory to Allah, the Lord of the Throne: (High is He) above what they attribute to Him!
@1tabligh Well I hate to tell you, but your god isn't real. If he was real that would mean my god is not, which is obviously wrong because the book that I praise says so. I mean get real, your god is flawed, my god is not. Your god is imperfect. My god is not. Your god is heartless, my god is not. So you better Hail the All mighty flying spaghetti monster for he is our true savior.
No very convincing huh. Yeah try again. You have no proof that there is only one god... in matter...
I can share a vast number of youtube links as evidence that the flying spaghetti monster exists, and they are more convincing than any of your links...
Another one who thinks a youtube link is evidence of anything...
You guys just don't get it. It's not enough to say "listen to what this guy or that guy or this group or that group says for undeniable evidence that god exists"...2nd hand CLAIMS aren't evidence of anything!!
@BastEternal the media style does not effect weather some thing is true or not. I could say to you directly, the sky is blue. And I could record myself, and say the sky is blue, and still it would be true. I could say it on youtube, and still it would be true.
Seriously, whoever you are, if you're going to jump into the conversation, the least you could do is answer what has been put forth instead of trying to play "pseudo-logic" word games in an attempt to avert attention to your (or mystery 7's) burden of proof. Mystery 7's made a claim, provide evidence for it.
I don't have time to argue strawmen or non sequiturs. Blue skies or the weather. *yawn*
@IwillhonorGod I don't have time to speak to someone who presupposes things about me...you might as well build a strawman and argue with IT..because you are clueless as to what I think, what I believe, or what I understand.
@BastEternal you don't have time?....yet you take time.......I know things, by what you say.....to some degree I know what you think, by what you say.....to some degree I know what you believe by what you say....most people speak what they believe.
will you take time to tell me you don't have time? again?......ha ha ha ha ha ha....see you.....ah....?....some time?..ha ha ha...I guess you did not understand.
@BastEternal But if what you say is true, and lets say, I talk to some one else, and tell them about your comment, which has now become 2nd hand, by your own words, your own words are not proof of any thing, not even that you have spoken....do you understand, your corrupt double minded logic?.......if you do, you should change it, understanding that it is wrong.
@BastEternal you 100% contradict your self, read your comments again, and figure out what you believe before you speak again. save face, and understand your self, or I will say it quite clearly.
What nonsense! When someone has to resort to telling others to "save face" when there's nothing to save face about, or that I haven't figured out what I believe nor that I understand myself...they've already discredited themselves.
How arrogant of you to think that you are in any position to tell me such things. Arrogance and snobbery will get you nowhere.
@BastEternal ok lady.....from the top....you say, 2nd hand claims are not evidence of any thing.....so if your comment has become 2nd hand, by your logic it means nothing.
You can't just take stuff out of context and then apply it to whatever you want. When I said 2nd hand claims aren't evidence of anything, I meant that a video claiming to have evidence of god is not evidence.
You haven't offered anything unique...wow, a video that claims to have evidence of god. No different than the hundreds, thousands out there, including this one.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. A video is NOT extraordinary.
@BastEternal clearly you expressed that a youtube video, is not evidence of any thing. So I don't know what your doing on here, ......where there is not evidence for any thing
@BastEternal you misunderstand a simple example of the sky being blue......if you think, that youtube is not evidence for any thing, what are you doing posting on here? The media style does not effect, weather some thing is true or not, but in most cases the character of the person communicating, aka are they a liar....or will they not compromise for any price, and tell the truth
@BastEternal you say you don't have time, then you take some more time. I said to you, if you don't have time then don't waste your breath. But you wasted your breath some more. I said to you, If you speak to me, I will speak with you, understand?....and then you started talking with me some more....so as I said, I am speaking with you....some more.
@BastEternal I gave some evidence regarding the existence of God....even before you asked for it...it was my first post.....on this video.....got a lot more an my channel, come and check it out, some time, if you can understand that your view on youtube videos not being evidence for any thing are screwed up......have you heard of security cameras? ...people use video a lot for evidence.
@BastEternal when I point out your double mindedness it does seem harsh hey?....I have not spoken this harshly, just bluntly, that you might understand.....I am not arrogant, if I was I would not give you a chance to save face, neither would I give you my time...but I have.
@BastEternal you say, weather you have spoken or not is irrelevant.....it is relevant to this conversation......it is relevant to what we are talking about.....if what your saying is not relevant, then why are you speaking?....you must think that it is relevant, or why then do you speak?
@BastEternal ok, you say, 2nd hand comments are not evidence of any thing.....then you say, weather they are 2nd hand claims or not is irrelevant......see a contradiction here?
When I said my words were irrelevant, I meant in you providing evidence for your claims. You keep talking about blue skies and second hand comments. All irrelevant!
Anyway, the rest of your posts are convoluted nonsense. Why are you asking pointless questions? Why am I speaking? Because this is a video open to comments, obviously. Anyone is free to post.
@BastEternal you say, you want evidence. I point you to the evidence. You say my comments are lame, and you say youtube links are not evidence for any thing.....why do you even have an account then?....look at the answers, if you got time.....I know you probably got time to blab away here....but you could use that time, to get some real answers that you desire in your heart, regarding meaning and purpose in this life.
Why do I have an account?? The reasons why I have an account are completely irrelevant to what I said to you.
Anyway, back to the topic. Asserting you have "answers" does not make your videos answers.
Obviously you have nothing more than a bunch of videos as evidence for your claims.
Sorry, but like I said, videos aren't compelling evidence of a deity. If you have demonstrable evidence that anyone can verify and confirm, I'm all ears.
@BastEternal What you are looking for is a test. But God said in His word, don't test Him, except in 1 thing He challenged people, test me with money. Now I don't know who you are, and I don't know where your from, and I am not asking you for money, but for a time, try tithing 10% of your increase. yes this test will cost you some thing, most tests will.
"God said?" How do you know what "god said?" What, does he speak to you with an audible voice?
Before you can argue about what "god" tests you with, you'll have to demonstrate there's even a god that exists in the first place that anyone can verify and confirm.
I hope to you see on every single news channel as a top story and scientists writing peer reviewed articles with your compelling evidence that a god exists.
@BastEternal God can speak to people in a variety of different ways. Through people, Through situations, Through objects, Through angles, Through super natural knowledge, and natural knowledge.
@BastEternal The Word says, the spirit of man, is the candle of the Lord.....probably I would think, today, it would be said, that the spirit of man, is the electric light bulb of the Lord. God is a Spirit.....that Word says. God speaks through His Spirit, and it is not a limited communication, like we have.
@BastEternal It has been a long road, to learn to listen to the spirit, still I am not all the way there. I still rebel some times, and it is stupid not to listen to God.
@BastEternal God will speak to you in your spirit....many people don't believe they have spirits, and really lack knowledge about what this is....to say your heart, or your inner most being, or the hidden man of the heart usually clears it up for people.
@BastEternal some times, God will let you know things in your heart, that your mind can not give a reason for.....like why you know it.....you just know it.....the spirit of man is the candle of the Lord.
@BastEternal demonstration = essence of faith = believe first, then receive....what are going to receive? What you have faith for....how are you going to get faith?...by the Word of God.....can you have faith for any thing out side of the will of God? no you can't.....the Word of God is the will of God, and the Word says, Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.....you can't have faith beyond knowledge.
@BastEternal Look up Kenneth E Hagin......I don't know what your source your going to use, you might have to call his organization, and question them closely about the guy, and miracles that God did for him, and through him.
@BastEternal I would search, for some Christians, that were not bound by the black plague, in the time it was on the earth. It was scientifically proven, that when they would touch any thing with this disease, it died instantly.
@BastEternal regarding being on the news, and talking about evidence for God, I think I could do it....I think there is other people who could do it better than me....but I think I could do it....but I don't think they would have the patience, at the news place, they would edit 99%, and miss 99%.
@BastEternal the new world order, which is really an old world order, will not bow down to truth of their own free will, they are after power....and they don't care about truth, even if the cost of their power is blood for money....like the central banks are doing, starting wars, having both sides borrowing, and borrowing.
@BastEternal it is funny what you say.....as I think about it....videos, on youtube, are not evidence of any thing....but video on news channels, you seem to think are....hmmmm....ha ha ha ha ha
@BastEternal I would not need to go on a news channel.....if God said, I would try to do it....but honestly, I guess you don't know, there is lots of news channels out their already, that are reporting these things....you must have just never heard of them....did I invite you to my channel yet?.....ha ha ha ha ha
@BastEternal your not all ears. If you could listen, if you wanted to listen, you would, and you would not carry on about this nonsense of a youtube video not being evidence. Do you know how to reason? it seems like a pretty blunt question hey?
@BastEternal Have you heard of Israel? God said this country would become a country again, and it did in the last 100 years. actually God said to Moses it would fall apart 2 times, and come back together 2 times, and it has.
@BastEternal God said in His word, in the book of Job, that there are path ways in the sea. The guy that discovered oceanography, read it in the bible first, then searched it out.
"Mariners have known for many centuries that the ocean contains currents that flow along generally consistent paths. The Spanish galleons transporting gold and silver from Mexico to Spain made use of the Gulf Stream to help them return home, while Benjamin Franklin used ships' log books to draw a map of this current in 1772..."
@BastEternal God said, in the book of job, also, that there are springs in the ocean, this book was written before the time of Jesus, and it was before the time of submarines....how do you think, the Author knew this?
Water currents from springs tend to appear at the surface of the water at low tide...any boat-wielding seaman could have figured it out by comparing any shallow water springs that do the same thing.
You don't need a submarine to figure out that there are springs in the ocean, just a pair of eyes.
@BastEternal by modern science, the way that weather is predicted was only come up with, in the last 100 years or so, but it is in this book that was written how many thousand years ago.
Yeah, and the bible "predicts" that men will be lovers of money (like they weren't already when the bible was written - refer to your very own bible for this (John 2:15), when your alleged jesus wielding a whip is said to have cleared out "his father's house" of people buying/selling stuff.
The bible also predicts wars and earthquakes...wowsers, what a prediction.
You claimed that this would be a new approach - it isn't. Take away all the apple nonsense and it boils down to "I believe because I have had a mystical experience." That puts you in the same category as every Christian, Jewish, Islamic, Hindu etc.. mystic who has ever lived. Nothing you say could not be attributed to electro-chemical neurological events. I have a nephew who used to hear voices in his head. Since he has been taking antipsychotic drugs they've gone away.
mikelheron20 4 days ago
If we were BOTH wrong,,,,then there would be nothing here and we would not be here to argue the matter,,,ONE of us gotta be right, im putting bets on me!,,,,(Atheist)
4E047RHH 1 week ago
I'm not a devout Christian. I have never been touched by god in a spiritual sense and I have never felt like he's been "there". I've tried, I was raised in a Christian upbringing but after studying the bible and researching, it all comes down to faith. I don't buy into something that I can't touch, see, feel or experience. I'm an agnostic. It's possible that god exists, but so far in my life I have seen no proof. It seems more logical that religion is used as a crutch for those who fear fadin
TheGuitarguy1995 1 week ago
@TheGuitarguy1995 Listen, I know you probably don't believe what i am saying, but , i am going to tell you anyway.. God pulls away from you when you do not live for him, He waits until you are ready. ''For him to do unto you, you must do unto him'' Do you understand? If you start living by his word and worshiping him and accept him as your True living god, you will feel god and his benefits and mercy. :)
TheCowboyViking 1 week ago
If man, through the application of scientific instruments and criteria, cannot perceive the existence of a thing, he cannot deny its existence simply because it is incompatible with material criteria, unless he disposes of some proof that the thing in question is impossible.
1tabligh 2 weeks ago
@1tabligh So... Bigfoot, Mario, Donkey Kong, Flying Unicorns, The Talking Shit God, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, Dragons, Dracula, Frankenstein, Ala, Zeus, Mickey Mouse, Goofy, Donald Duck, Thor, Raiden, Chronos, Atlas, Cinderella, Snow White, Gorganites, Power Rangers, Darth Vader, Chris Redfield, Nords, Niko Belic, Johnny Gat, Goku, Chewbacca, TheFlyingHippoDragonosaur, And ANY other thing I claim to be real, is real... because... you can't prove that its not? STFU dude.
Helldog6 1 week ago
@Helldog6 Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *unknowing and unperceiving *, is his creator and that of all beings?
No?
Then how can the duped atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
1tabligh 1 week ago
@1tabligh And who are you to conclude that because we cannot say how or why such things are created, and why such laws exist that YOUR god must be the explanation for it all? AND not only do you claim him to be the reason, you also claim him to exist outside the laws of the universe. You also claim that he is not restricted by laws of the Universe. He is also Invisible, intangible, omnipotent, all knowing... yet there are so many problems that could've been avoided yet here they are.
Helldog6 1 week ago
@1tabligh of fact you have no proof of ANY god. How can you claim one "god" theory is wrong and the other is right when you have no proof for either?
Helldog6 1 week ago
@Helldog6 Man's religious ties are an outgrowth of his nature, and materialism is something opposed to his nature. In accordance with his specific make-up, man will create his own god if he does not discover the true God, and the god he discovers may be nature or historical inevitability. This fa;we god takes the place of the true God with respect to comprehensiveness of authority, effectiveness of decree, and capacity to guide man on a certain path and propel him forward,
1tabligh 1 week ago
@1tabligh YOUR worship is misdirected. Your doing the same wrong your claiming others to be doing. You have no way of knowing which god is in fact THE god, yet you choose to worship yours claiming that your god is the right one. Your a hypocrite. On top of that, your not answering any of the questions I've put forward, and you ignoring the responses I've made and are simply rambling about things that are completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.
Helldog6 1 week ago
@Helldog6 Those who refuse to worship God find themselves prostrating before their inner idol; passion and desire rule every dimension of their beings.
Self-worship is a dangerous sickness that with its different manifestations in the individual and social life of man entails the most tragic misfortunes and disorders. It creates a powerful barrier between man and the truth and results in the breakdown of man's capacities of perception and the blinding of his inner being.
1tabligh 1 week ago
@1tabligh Here's the thing... I don't care about what the Qur'an says. Islam is a religion founded AFTER Christianity and even further after Judaism and EVEN FURTHER after many of hundreds (possible thousands) of religions before them. So before you preach, PROVE that Islamic beliefs and the Islamic religion are True. Until then shut... up.
Helldog6 1 week ago
@Helldog6 Unless a man is possessed of a firm and stable faith he remains a stranger to the ways of those who know God. His scepticism grows. He regards as acceptable whatever in life coincides with scientific thought and reading.He discounts anything that his sciences do not prove or even try to prove for him.
1tabligh 1 week ago
@1tabligh And as long as a man is "Possessed" into a firm and stable faith system, he will never see the truth, and instead will be hypnotized in the idiocy of Religious views. He will never see how Religion has failed to solve problems that it claims it could solve, and failed to present evidence where they claimed evidence could be found, and could never be able to provide evidence to show that religion is no more than a farce.
Helldog6 1 week ago
@Helldog6 shut... up.
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So much science for this uncivilized stupid brainless pseudo-Scientific Demagogue!
The atheist Delusion!
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
1tabligh 1 week ago
@1tabligh The Atheist Delusion? Your the one to talk. You have been so manipulated into thinking that evidence lays where evidence doesn't exist. You've been so manipulated that you can't see the stupidity in your logic. You've been SO manipulated that debunk EVERY argument you can come up with, and yet somehow, to you, it would still be logical. And how could ALL of you religious folk possibly claim to know that everything, in existence, came at the will of magical, invisible being
Helldog6 1 week ago
@Helldog6 The Qur'an says: "Do you not see the one who takes his own desires as god? God has made him go astray, despite his possession of knowledge; He has placed a seal on his ears and his heart and drawn a curtain of darkness over his eyes. Who other than God can guide him? Will you then not take heed?" (45:23)
1tabligh 1 week ago
@1tabligh That you have absolutely NO evidence for besides a book written at an unknown time, by unknown people, that we don't even know exists. On top of that you have the nerve to claim this as "fact"? Get real.
Helldog6 1 week ago
@Helldog6 The basis of religious thinking is thus left untilled and untended. He considers undeserving of attention any problem which cannot be taken in isolation from all religion, be judged by its outward appearance, and proved by experiment. Having grown used to scientific language, with its formulae and equations, he regards religious matters as lightweight and commonplace.
1tabligh 1 week ago
What is called science by the *science-worshippers* of the present age and regarded by them as equivalent to the sum total of *reality*, is simply a collection of laws applicable to a single dimension of the world. The result of all human effort and experimentation is a body of knowledge concerning a minute bright dot comparable to the dim light of a candle-surrounded by a dark night enveloping a huge desert of indefinite extent.
All praise is due to ALLAH, the Lord of the Universe.
1tabligh 1 week ago
@Helldog6 the stupidity in your logic.
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God and Empirical Logic.
One of the most destructive and misleading factors in thoughts concerning God is to restrict one's thought to the "logic" of the empirical sciences and to *fail* to recognize the *limits* and boundaries of that "logic".
Is that which is necessary in essence and which is considered the first source of existence matter itself or something else beyond the limits of matter?
1tabligh 1 week ago
@Helldog6 Before he enters the realm of science and knowledge with all its concerns, man is able to perceive certain truths by means of these innate perceptions. But after entering the sphere of science and philosophy and filling his *brain* with various proofs and deductions, he may forget his natural and innate perceptions or begin to doubt them. It is for this reason that when man moves beyond his innate nature to delineate a belief, differences begin to appear.
1tabligh 1 week ago
@Helldog6 The atheist Delusion!
Your delusion that science has put out the notion of God is purely *rhetorical* and has nothing to do with logical method, because even thousands of scientific experiments could not possibly suffice to demonstrate that no non-material being or factor exists.
Your delusion is nothing more than a *fanatical* illusion based on unproven theories.
How is tht for YOUR "Get real."?
1tabligh 1 week ago
@1tabligh And your delusion is you think because we cannot prove that an Immaterial being DOESN'T Exist automatically means that does. Our proof that your assertion of fact is false, is that you HAVE no proof show that it True. Its NOT my, or any other non-believer, to PROVE your god doesn't exist... It's YOUR job to prove that he does.
Helldog6 1 week ago
@Helldog6
Answer the question!
Dodging ALL the questions and quibbling in vain!
Materialism looks at the world with one eye *closed* and, as a result, is unable to answer numerous questions!
Deluded atheist looks at the world with BOTH eyes *closed* and, as a result, are unable to answer ALL the questions!
Is that which is necessary in essence and which is considered the first source of existence matter itself or something else beyond the limits of matter?
1tabligh 1 week ago
@1tabligh Okay first of all bro. You didn't ask me a question. Oh wait... you asked... "how's tht for YOUR "get real"? In which case I would like to say... it was alright.
2) I'm not dodging anything. You didn't ask me a question worth responding too. Ask me a actual question and I'll respond.
3) Let me ask you a question. What proof or evidence do you have to show that God is real? 1 question answer it.
4) I don't know what the first source is. Nor have I ever ONCE claimed too.
Helldog6 1 week ago
@Helldog6 Let me ask you a question. What proof or evidence do ...
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Even if the followers of a religious school of thought had no proofs for their claim, to conclude firmly and forcibly that non- being reigns beyond the sensory realm would be a non-scientific choice, based on imagination and speculation.
Some people try to propagate this *fantasy* in the garb of science and to present their choice as having been dictated by scientific thought.
1tabligh 1 week ago
@1tabligh Your not still have not provide ANY evidence for god. Saying "well look... Scientist can't answer these questions so....GOD!" Its not an answer. Nor is it a valid response to the Question. I am asking you... PROVE that your god or a creator is real. Don't give me speculation, or false reasoning, give me... PROOF. Solid proof. That's all I want. I don't want "Well we can't explain it... so god."
Helldog6 1 week ago
@Helldog6 Whatever is stable and immutable in its essence cannot accept movement and change within that essence.
How do deluded and duped atheists, who believe that matter is accompanied by its antithesis, justify the eternity of matter/energy?
1tabligh 1 week ago
@Helldog6 In the final analysis, however, the denial involved in such an assertion is unworthy of science and philosophy, and even *contradicts* empirical logic.
When the experimental sciences demonstrate that the elements and natural facrtors cannot exert any independent influence and do not possess any creativity; when all of our experiences, our sensory feelings, and our rational deductions point to the conclusion that nothing occurs in nature without a reason and cause
1tabligh 1 week ago
@1tabligh But fine. IF your gonna use that Logic... Who created the creator? How did the creator, create the things he created, without himself being a creation. As you already know, something can't come from nothing, so where did you god come from? Oh, you can't answer that?? Fine... Flying Spaghetti Monster. The Flying Spaghetti Monster, created your God. You don't think so? Prove me wrong. Prove that the Flying Spaghetti Monster DID NOT create your god.
Helldog6 1 week ago
@Helldog6 Your not still have not provide ANY evidence for god.
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Nope!
It's right there in front of your nose!
But you refuse to acknowledged!
READ MY COMMENTS WITH YOUR INTELLECT AND NOT WITH YOUR EMOTIONS!
Since the chain of causality cannot recede into infinity, they can answer only that matter is an eternal and timeless entity for which no beginning can be posited: matter is non-created, has no beginning or end, and its being arises from within its own nature.
1tabligh 1 week ago
@1tabligh Oh is that right. Well please, point it out, because I'm sniffing and there is no more evidence than there was before. And you... are an idiot. Stop.... Sticking words... in Atheist's mouths. Never once... has a RESPECTED Atheist claimed to know that Matter was Infinite. Now I'm going to ask you again... will you STOP copying other peoples work and use YOUR OWN head to come up with arguments? Or is that too difficult for you? You have to go copy off of other people?
Helldog6 1 week ago
@Helldog6 This means that the materialists accept the principle of eternity and non-origination; they believe that all things arose out of eternal matter and that being arises from within the very nature of matter, without any need for a creator.
In just the same way that atheist regards matter as eternal, believers in God attribute eternity to God. Belief in an eternal being is then common to materialist and religious philosophers:
1tabligh 1 week ago
@Helldog6 both groups agree that there is a primary cause, but believers in God regard the primary cause as wise, all-knowing, and possessing the power of decision and will, whereas in the view of the materialists, the primary cause has neither consciousness, intelligence, perception, nor the power of decision.
Thus, the removal of God in no way solves the problem posed by eternal being.
1tabligh 1 week ago
@1tabligh And throughout Your ENTIRE copy and pasted post, you...have...proved...NOTHING. You wanna talk about ME ducking answers? Look at you. You didn't answer ANYTHING. You just copied (from another website) a bunch of stuff that you feel answers my questions when in all actuality, the statements that forged have nothing to do with the topic at hand. I'm asking you to PROVE. You can't can you?
Helldog6 1 week ago
@Helldog6 Moreover, matter is the locus for motion and change, and its motion is dynamic and situated within its own essence. Now, essential motion is incompatible with eternity, and matter and essential stability are two mutually exclusive categories that cannot be fused in a single locus.
1tabligh 1 week ago
@Helldog6 Who created the creator?
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His Existence is not coming into Being from non-existence.
If in the course of developing the argument of the orderliness of the universe we attempt to prove the existence of a maker similar to the human maker, the divine maker will, in reality, also be a created being on the level of man; proving the existence of such a maker is an entirely different matter from proving the existence of the Maker and Creator of all being.
1tabligh 1 week ago
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@1tabligh His Existence is not coming into Being from non-existence.
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You do realize that your response to this, makes NO sense right? And just simply avoided the answer completely.
Helldog6 1 week ago
@Helldog6 Flying Spaghetti Monster....
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I make a claim of ONE God ( Allah, Lord, Gud, Khuda, etc ) then I will produce the evidence to back it up!
Anyone who claims of "Flying Spaghetti Monster....zeus, apollo, thor " etc or anything for that matter has to back it up!
If you claim the divinity of anyone besides God, you need to prove your claim.
I did not claim the divinity of anyone besides God!
The one who claims anything is supposed to prove what he claims!
1tabligh 1 week ago
@1tabligh I make a claim of ONE god
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You...Are ....a Fucking Idiot... And a hypocrite. Not only... have you NOT presented ANY evidence towards the realism of YOUR god, you have further claimed to that EVERY other "God" from other religions are Fictitious. If you... Don't need to require any evidence for believing in your god, I don't either. Until... YOU can prove your god is more real than "my god", my god is Just as plausible as yours.
Helldog6 1 week ago
@Helldog6 You...Are ....a Fucking Idiot...
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Poor fella!
1tabligh 1 week ago
@Helldog6 and that all phenomena are based on an established system and specific laws, when all of this is the case, it is surprising that some people turn their backs on scientific principles, primary deductions and propositions based on reflection, and deny the existence of the Creator.
1tabligh 1 week ago
@Helldog6 Now, too, in the age of science and technology, when man has found his way into space, a considerable number of scientists have a religious outlook as part of the intellectual system; they have come to believe in the existence of a creator, a source for all beings, not only by means of the heart and the conscience, but also through deduction and logic.
Your Pseudo-Scientific Demagoguery does NOT at all, help cure your delusions!
1tabligh 1 week ago
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Helldog6 1 week ago
We can raise precisely the same objection against the atheists and ask them, "If we follow the chain of causality back, we will ultimately reach the primary cause. Let us say that cause is not God, but matter. Tell us who created primary matter. You who believe in the law of causality, answer us Ws: if matter is the ultimate cause of all things, what is the cause of matter?
You say that the source of all phenomena is matter-energy; what is the cause and origin of matter-energy?"
1tabligh 1 week ago
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@1tabligh Now if you would... Take your Al-Islam argument and take it else where. You assume I'm a Pseudo-Scientific Demagogue, but I'm not. I'm not using Science to argue the existence of god. I'm using reason and logic, and YOU are the one using Scientific Information in order to further bolster your Fallacious conclusion. Fact is... you have no evidence, so your taking the questions we don't yet have answers to and putting god in as the answer. Its idiotic.
Helldog6 1 week ago
@1tabligh And another thing... You claim in order for your god to be wrong, Atheists most PROVE that your god is indeed false. But you see, with you saying that my god is false YOU are now in the Atheists Position and YOU must prove the Pastafarian views are wrong. Until you can do that... Your wrong.
Helldog6 1 week ago
@Helldog6 ANSWER THE QUESTION INSTEAD OF QUIBBLING IN VAIN!
Eternity means stability and immutability of essence, the impossibility of cessation, but matter/energy is in its essence a compendium of forces and potentialities; it is relativity itself, totally caught up in living and dying.
Dodging ALL the questions and quibbling in vain!
Materialism looks at the world with one eye *closed* and, as a result, is unable to answer numerous questions!
1tabligh 1 week ago
@1tabligh What... Fucking... Question...
I'm the one dodging questions? Are you retarded? You haven't answered a SINGLE question with an ACTUAL answer. So answer my question. PROVE THAT GOD IS REAL! Prove it... thats it. Just prove it. That's all I'm asking. So answer. PROVE GOD IS REAL.
Helldog6 1 week ago
@Helldog6
Deluded atheist looks at the world with BOTH eyes *closed* and, as a result, are unable to answer ALL the questions!
No wasting time!
Stupid brainless cuckoo atheist with asinine mind!
1tabligh 1 week ago
@1tabligh Stupid Brainless Theist with your blind pseudo-intellectual mindset. I have no problem with Science. But your "Science" is clearly wrong. You haven't answered ANYTHING. Answer the question. And you STILL haven't proved how the Flying Spaghetti Monster is less logical that Your god. Wanna know why? BECAUSE ITS NOT! Its just as logical as Allah.
Helldog6 1 week ago
@Helldog6 The argument of an IGNORANT!
So much science for this uncivilized stupid brainless pseudo-Scientific Demagogue!
A fool's mind is at the mercy of his tongue and a wise man's tongue is under the control of his mind.
Is science too heavy for you to comprehend?
Ever heard "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
1tabligh 1 week ago
@1tabligh Ever heard "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
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So are you calling yourself a Fool? I guess I'd agree. I'm not the poor fella. You are. You know your wrong, you know your "logic" is flawed, and you know you have no proof whatsoever. Is logic too heavy for you to comprehend? Do you not have the physical ability and Mental capacity to understand that in order for you to claim osmething as fact, you actually PROVE its true.
Helldog6 1 week ago
@Helldog6 If man, through the application of scientific instruments and criteria, cannot perceive the existence of a thing, he cannot deny its existence simply because it is incompatible with material criteria, unless he disposes of some proof that the thing in question is impossible.
1tabligh 1 week ago
@1tabligh If we are using your argument toward this particular topic, the every single that has ever been worshiped is just as real and reliable as the god you choose to worship. This logic... used anywhere else.... is wrong.
Prosecutor: He did your honor!
Judge: Can you prove that he did indeed kill that man
Prosecutor: Can you prove that he didn't?
Judge: No... I can't
Prosecutor: See! I told you he did it.
Its impractical. Its asinine, and its a terrible argument.
Helldog6 1 week ago
@Helldog6 Eternity is incompatible with the mode of being possessed by matter and the factors and attributes necessitated by its nature. The belief of those who have faith in God concerning a fixed and absolute principle relates to a being who in and of his nature can accept stability and absoluteness; his nature is completely devoid of and remote from the properties of matter.
1tabligh 1 week ago
@1tabligh You STILL haven't proved that the Flying Spaghetti monster doesn't exist. That automatically means that he does? Bigfoot... Loch Ness... Aliens. ALL must be real because we can't prove he DOESN'T exist. How about the fact, that our evidence lies beneath the fact that YOU can't prove that he does exist. Your asserting the fact. You have to back it up. The Burden of Proof is on you. YOU claimed that God is real, YOU have to back it up.
Helldog6 1 week ago
@Helldog6 The very nature of matter refuses permanence, eternity and continuity, for it can never separate itself from movement, relativity, and it stands in opposition to being a prime or absolute agent.
1tabligh 1 week ago
@1tabligh That does not PROVE that YOUR god is true or more right then the others. Nor does it PROVE that YOUR god is infinite, omnipotent, personal, or all knowing. Furthermore, you have STILL not proved that the Flying Spaghetti monster is false... therefor its fact that The Flying Spaghetti Monster made god.
Helldog6 1 week ago
@Helldog6 Matter has different aspects and dimensions; it is immersed in quantity and multiplicity; and it acquires its various dimensions by means of attributes and properties. The necessary being, by contrast, is *free* of all such properties.
1tabligh 1 week ago
@1tabligh Your point?
Helldog6 1 week ago
@Helldog6 All beings were originally non-beings; they were non-existent, and then they became existent. Deluded atheists wish to say that the energy/matter/universe/natural forces/ etc are eternal, but this notion is incorrect for the following reasons:
First, if the material energy/matter/universe/natural forces/ etc are eternal, it follows that an eternal being should be subject to change and cessation, which is impossible
1tabligh 1 week ago
@1tabligh You... Are SO blatantly stupid its not even funny. I'm honestly baffled by the amount of stupidity that could be within one human being. I'm, going to tell you this again.... ATHEISTS...DON'T... BELIEVE.... THAT! Do you want me to slow down for you? Make it so that you could understand it a little better? Here....
A-T-H-E-I-S-T-S...... D-O-N-'-T...... B-E-L-I-E-V-E...T-H-A-T. Clearer? good.
Helldog6 1 week ago
@1tabligh
A) Atheism is NOT a positive assertion of fact or belief.
B) Your entire argument is based off of incorrect Information and Randomly asserted false beliefs
C) You STILL lack the required amount of evidence you need in order to support your claim that a god exists
and
D) Your wrong.
Helldog6 1 week ago
@Helldog6 We say, then, that the existence of a thing is not possible without a cause of a deficient thing, that is, whose fate is in the hands of its cause and whose permanence is dependent on the existence of its cause. This does not apply to a being that is conscious of its reality and exhibits no trace of defect and limitation.
1tabligh 1 week ago
@1tabligh Okay. Stop copying other peoples work. Are you that mentally insufficient that you mentally incapable of coming up with your own argument? Your an idiot. Your believing in the same thing you claim I believe. You believe that YOUR creator is the ultimate cause. And thats supposed to be proof? Your an idiot. You still have not presented ANY argument to show that YOUR god is not only real... but the RIGHT god. Nor have you presented any evidence to show that your god created...
Helldog6 1 week ago
@Helldog6 The link between cause and effect and the principle that *no* phenomenon will set foot on the plain of being *without* a cause, are among the strongest deductions ever made by man and count as indispensable conditions for intellectual activity. They represent something natural and primordial, assimilated automatically by our minds.
So much science for this uncivilized brainless pseudo-Scientific Demagogue!
1tabligh 1 week ago
@Helldog6 Are you that mentally insufficient
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Imprisoned as we are within the four walls of matter, we *never* encounter anything accidental in life, and, indeed, no one ever encountered, in the history of the world, an accident *not* arising from a cause. Were this not the case, we might have an excuse for regarding the universe as accidental in origin. ....
Stupid brainless cuckoo atheist with asinine mind!
1tabligh 1 week ago
@1tabligh lol. Your right. Everything happens with a cause. But that doesn't suddenly deem it this "causation" to be from the hand or work of god. Yes... everything is going to have a cause. So whats the cause of your god? And again.... wheres the proof. You still have yet to provide any. Stupid brainless cuckoo Muslim with an asinine belief system that he can't prove.
Helldog6 1 week ago
What kind of accident might it be that from the dawn of being to the present has guided the infinite interactions of all things, in so wondrous, precise and orderly a fashion?
Can the order we perceive be the reflection of mere accident and happenstance?
Materialism looks at the world with one eye *closed* and, as a result, is unable to answer numerous questions!
Deluded atheist looks at the world with BOTH eyes *closed* and, as a result, are unable to answer ALL the questions!
1tabligh 1 week ago
@1tabligh Now your just repeating yourself. I've already shown this argument to be false. Prove your god... or GTFO.
Helldog6 6 days ago
@Helldog6 Any supposable phenomenon in the universe was submerged in the darkness of non-being before it assumed the form of being. It *cannot* pierce the darkness of non-being and step forth on the plain of being as an existent thing *until* the powerful hand of causality sets to work.
1tabligh 6 days ago
@1tabligh cool story bro. Prove your go exists or GTFO.
Helldog6 6 days ago
@Helldog6 When the experimental sciences demonstrate that the elements and natural facrtors cannot exert any independent influence and do not possess any creativity; when all of our experiences, our sensory feelings, and our rational deductions point to the conclusion that nothing occurs in nature without a reason and cause and that all phenomena are based on an established system and specific laws,
1tabligh 6 days ago
@Helldog6 when all of this is the case, it is surprising that some people turn their backs on scientific principles, primary deductions and propositions based on reflection, and deny the existence of the Creator.
Now, too, in the age of science and technology, when man has found his way into space, a considerable number of scientists have a religious outlook as part of the intellectual system; they have come to believe in the existence of a creator, a source for all beings,
1tabligh 6 days ago
@Helldog6 not only by means of the heart and the conscience, but also through deduction and logic.
Your Pseudo-Scientific Demagoguery does NOT at all help cure your delusions!
"GTFO."
So much science for this uncivilized brainless pseudo-Scientific Demagogue!
1tabligh 6 days ago
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@1tabligh Cool Story Bro. PROVE YOUR GOD OR GTFO.
"So much science for this uncivilized brainless pseudo-Scientific Demagogue!"
1) Your not using science you idiot.
2) Come up with something else. You've Copied and Pasted this about 7-8 times. It doesn't make you any more right.
PROVE YOU GOD OR GTFO!
Helldog6 6 days ago
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@1tabligh anything. Come up with your own arguments because you copying and pasting some other person's work, that is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand, Just makes you look stupid and idiotic. Odds are, you don't even know what your posting, your just taking stuff with big words because you think that it'll help your case. It doesn't. You haven't provided any PROOF that your god exists. And until you do so... Your Wrong.
Helldog6 1 week ago
@Helldog6 The Need of the World for One Without Need!
The principle of causality is a general and universal law and foundation for all efforts of man, both in the acquisition of knowledge and in his customary activities. The strivings of scholars to uncover the cause of every phenomenon, whether natural or social, arise from the belief that *no* phenomenon originates in and of itself *without* the intervention of causes and agents.
1tabligh 1 week ago
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Helldog6 1 week ago
@Helldog6 "Second, if the elements comprising the energy/matter/universe/natural forces/ etc are eternal by virtue of their essence, how is it possible that they should enter the embrace of death and disappearance?
And if, conversely, they lack life in their essences, how can life surge forth from them?
1tabligh 1 week ago
@1tabligh Okay now listen stupid... you premise is false. So your ENTIRE argument is not only irrelevant, its pointless anyway... because it doesn't prove god.
Helldog6 1 week ago
@Helldog6 Belief in the eternity of the energy/matter/universe/natural forces/ etc is held by those who deny the existence of a ruler and planner of creation, reject the messengers of God, regard the books they bring as the fables of the ancients, and **** concoct **** beliefs pleasing to themselves.
1tabligh 1 week ago
@1tabligh Wrong. Yet again. I've told you time and time again. I don't believe that all existence is infinite. You wanna talk about concocting pleasing belief systems? Lets see. Look at your religion. You have NO evidence to prove that your god... or ANY god is real... ON TOP OF THAT... you believe in this religion because it makes your feel good. Makes you feel like you matter (which you don't), Makes you feel happy. ADD to on top of that, your asserting what you THINK I should
Helldog6 1 week ago
@1tabligh Different Atheists hold... *Gasp*... different beliefs. All Atheism is saying... Is "I do not believe in your or ANY god because YOU have no evidence to show that he exists". It doesn't tell you what I believe... it DOES, however, tell you what I lack belief in. Lets do a little bit of paraphrasing... okay?
Helldog6 1 week ago
@Helldog6 "If you say that living beings emerge from living elements and inanimate beings from inanimate elements, we reply that an essence that lacks life in and of itself cannot be eternal and cannot be the source for life.
1tabligh 1 week ago
@1tabligh Believe in place of what I ACTUALLY believe in order for you to try and bolster your conclusion, which is already false because you lack...
A) The correct premise
B) The correct evidence
and
C) The needed amount of CORRECT Information in order to acquire both A and B. Your argument is completely flawed. You have NO idea what I believe. NOR does my Atheistic stance tell you anything about what I believe because Atheism... is a LACK of belief.
Helldog6 1 week ago
@Helldog6 Views such as these derive directly from a system of thought centered on materialism; within it, everything is defined and delimited with reference to materialism.
To interpret materialism in such a sense is in the final analysis strictly meaningless; it would be a superstitious notion involving the perversion of truth, and to regard it as scientific would, in fact, be *treason* to science.
1tabligh 1 week ago
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Helldog6 1 week ago
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@1tabligh So I don't know. some other questions to you would be... how do you know? and Where is your evidence to support your claim of knowing? My views have NOTHING to do with Materialism. My atheistic and skepticism is actually the exact opposite of having both eyes closed. YOU blindly follow a religion that you have NO proof for. YOU blindly claim facts without providing evidence. YOU believe in something you can't see, hear, touch, feel, or taste. YOU are the blind one. Not me.
Helldog6 1 week ago
@Helldog6 unhindered by anyone's desires. This is the source of the trade in false gods, the adherence to the new idolatry, that would cruelly sacrifice God to history and exchange a pearl for a bead. Alas that so many people smitten with self-inflicted abjection have bowed down before the idol they themselves have fashioned and deified! They have turned away from the peerless creator and willingly accepted the polluting disgrace of such misdirected worship.
1tabligh 1 week ago
@Helldog6 If numerous gods ruled over the world and each of these gods acted and gave commands in accordance with his own will, the order of the universe would dissolve into anarchy.
If there were, in the heavens and the earth, other gods besides Allah, there would have been confusion in both! but glory to Allah, the Lord of the Throne: (High is He) above what they attribute to Him!
Quran 21: 22
1tabligh 1 week ago
@1tabligh Well I hate to tell you, but your god isn't real. If he was real that would mean my god is not, which is obviously wrong because the book that I praise says so. I mean get real, your god is flawed, my god is not. Your god is imperfect. My god is not. Your god is heartless, my god is not. So you better Hail the All mighty flying spaghetti monster for he is our true savior.
No very convincing huh. Yeah try again. You have no proof that there is only one god... in matter...
Helldog6 1 week ago
why can't you say R ????
qrais 2 weeks ago
Describe of god
watch?v=qkJ5dK9cl7w&feature=channel_video_title
Why I believe in God
watch?v=FnlM3j67qxg&feature=channel_video_title
ThePero20111 1 month ago
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I can share a vast number of youtube links as evidence that the flying spaghetti monster exists, and they are more convincing than any of your links...
BastEternal 1 month ago
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BastEternal 1 month ago
Truly excellent! Thank you! Someone broke on through!
TheSpecklefoot 2 months ago
I rented a house that was already built, I didn't see it being built, must have been the g. o. d.
guayacan07 2 months ago
Bla bla bla another brainwashing seminar.
TheRantMachine2011 2 months ago
If you want evidence that God exists, or are interested in 9/11 search Jonathan Cahn 1 - Harbinger the Warning, on youtube here.
IwillhonorGod 4 months ago
@IwillhonorGod
Another one who thinks a youtube link is evidence of anything...
You guys just don't get it. It's not enough to say "listen to what this guy or that guy or this group or that group says for undeniable evidence that god exists"...2nd hand CLAIMS aren't evidence of anything!!
BastEternal 1 month ago
@BastEternal the media style does not effect weather some thing is true or not. I could say to you directly, the sky is blue. And I could record myself, and say the sky is blue, and still it would be true. I could say it on youtube, and still it would be true.
IwillhonorGod 1 month ago
@IwillhonorGod More nonsense.
Whether the "sky is blue" is irrelevant.
Seriously, whoever you are, if you're going to jump into the conversation, the least you could do is answer what has been put forth instead of trying to play "pseudo-logic" word games in an attempt to avert attention to your (or mystery 7's) burden of proof. Mystery 7's made a claim, provide evidence for it.
I don't have time to argue strawmen or non sequiturs. Blue skies or the weather. *yawn*
BastEternal 1 month ago
@BastEternal if you don't have time then don't take time to waste your breath.
IwillhonorGod 1 month ago
@BastEternal but if you will speak with me, I will speak with you, understand?
IwillhonorGod 1 month ago
@IwillhonorGod I don't have time to speak to someone who presupposes things about me...you might as well build a strawman and argue with IT..because you are clueless as to what I think, what I believe, or what I understand.
Got it? Good.
Bye.
BastEternal 1 month ago
@BastEternal you don't have time?....yet you take time.......I know things, by what you say.....to some degree I know what you think, by what you say.....to some degree I know what you believe by what you say....most people speak what they believe.
will you take time to tell me you don't have time? again?......ha ha ha ha ha ha....see you.....ah....?....some time?..ha ha ha...I guess you did not understand.
IwillhonorGod 4 weeks ago
@BastEternal But if what you say is true, and lets say, I talk to some one else, and tell them about your comment, which has now become 2nd hand, by your own words, your own words are not proof of any thing, not even that you have spoken....do you understand, your corrupt double minded logic?.......if you do, you should change it, understanding that it is wrong.
IwillhonorGod 1 month ago
@IwillhonorGod I never claimed proof of anything.
Whether I have "spoken" is irrelevant. Whether my comments are "2nd hand" is ALSO irrelevant. Your comments are a lame attempt to avoid answering.
Again, provide evidence that everything that has a beginning has a cause and that the universe has a beginning, and of this so-called "fine tuning"
Don't have the evidence, then take a hike.
BastEternal 1 month ago
@BastEternal you 100% contradict your self, read your comments again, and figure out what you believe before you speak again. save face, and understand your self, or I will say it quite clearly.
IwillhonorGod 1 month ago
@IwillhonorGod
What nonsense! When someone has to resort to telling others to "save face" when there's nothing to save face about, or that I haven't figured out what I believe nor that I understand myself...they've already discredited themselves.
How arrogant of you to think that you are in any position to tell me such things. Arrogance and snobbery will get you nowhere.
BastEternal 1 month ago
@BastEternal ok lady.....from the top....you say, 2nd hand claims are not evidence of any thing.....so if your comment has become 2nd hand, by your logic it means nothing.
IwillhonorGod 4 weeks ago
@IwillhonorGod
You can't just take stuff out of context and then apply it to whatever you want. When I said 2nd hand claims aren't evidence of anything, I meant that a video claiming to have evidence of god is not evidence.
You haven't offered anything unique...wow, a video that claims to have evidence of god. No different than the hundreds, thousands out there, including this one.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. A video is NOT extraordinary.
BastEternal 4 weeks ago
@BastEternal by your own words, it means nothing, clearly here you have spoken what you have believed.
IwillhonorGod 4 weeks ago
@BastEternal clearly you expressed that a youtube video, is not evidence of any thing. So I don't know what your doing on here, ......where there is not evidence for any thing
IwillhonorGod 4 weeks ago
@BastEternal you misunderstand a simple example of the sky being blue......if you think, that youtube is not evidence for any thing, what are you doing posting on here? The media style does not effect, weather some thing is true or not, but in most cases the character of the person communicating, aka are they a liar....or will they not compromise for any price, and tell the truth
IwillhonorGod 4 weeks ago
@BastEternal you say you don't have time, then you take some more time. I said to you, if you don't have time then don't waste your breath. But you wasted your breath some more. I said to you, If you speak to me, I will speak with you, understand?....and then you started talking with me some more....so as I said, I am speaking with you....some more.
IwillhonorGod 4 weeks ago
@BastEternal I gave some evidence regarding the existence of God....even before you asked for it...it was my first post.....on this video.....got a lot more an my channel, come and check it out, some time, if you can understand that your view on youtube videos not being evidence for any thing are screwed up......have you heard of security cameras? ...people use video a lot for evidence.
IwillhonorGod 4 weeks ago
@BastEternal ok, where is the evidence on this video, that you have spoken?
IwillhonorGod 4 weeks ago
@BastEternal I don't plan on getting credit from you. I am secure in my identity.
IwillhonorGod 4 weeks ago
@BastEternal when I point out your double mindedness it does seem harsh hey?....I have not spoken this harshly, just bluntly, that you might understand.....I am not arrogant, if I was I would not give you a chance to save face, neither would I give you my time...but I have.
IwillhonorGod 4 weeks ago
@BastEternal you 100% contradict your self.
IwillhonorGod 4 weeks ago
@BastEternal you say, weather you have spoken or not is irrelevant.....it is relevant to this conversation......it is relevant to what we are talking about.....if what your saying is not relevant, then why are you speaking?....you must think that it is relevant, or why then do you speak?
IwillhonorGod 4 weeks ago
@BastEternal ok, you say, 2nd hand comments are not evidence of any thing.....then you say, weather they are 2nd hand claims or not is irrelevant......see a contradiction here?
IwillhonorGod 4 weeks ago
@IwillhonorGod You took my words out of context.
When I said my words were irrelevant, I meant in you providing evidence for your claims. You keep talking about blue skies and second hand comments. All irrelevant!
Anyway, the rest of your posts are convoluted nonsense. Why are you asking pointless questions? Why am I speaking? Because this is a video open to comments, obviously. Anyone is free to post.
BastEternal 4 weeks ago
@BastEternal you say, you want evidence. I point you to the evidence. You say my comments are lame, and you say youtube links are not evidence for any thing.....why do you even have an account then?....look at the answers, if you got time.....I know you probably got time to blab away here....but you could use that time, to get some real answers that you desire in your heart, regarding meaning and purpose in this life.
IwillhonorGod 4 weeks ago
@IwillhonorGod
Why do I have an account?? The reasons why I have an account are completely irrelevant to what I said to you.
Anyway, back to the topic. Asserting you have "answers" does not make your videos answers.
Obviously you have nothing more than a bunch of videos as evidence for your claims.
Sorry, but like I said, videos aren't compelling evidence of a deity. If you have demonstrable evidence that anyone can verify and confirm, I'm all ears.
BastEternal 4 weeks ago
@BastEternal it is relevant in that you need one to make comments, and what you say is irrelevant by your own words......get it?
my videos, will not be an answer to you, till you look in to it, and if you will not, then they will not.
What does it matter the communication style?? if I speak it to you hear, or if some one else speaks it to you their?
IwillhonorGod 4 weeks ago
@BastEternal What you are looking for is a test. But God said in His word, don't test Him, except in 1 thing He challenged people, test me with money. Now I don't know who you are, and I don't know where your from, and I am not asking you for money, but for a time, try tithing 10% of your increase. yes this test will cost you some thing, most tests will.
IwillhonorGod 4 weeks ago
@IwillhonorGod
"God said?" How do you know what "god said?" What, does he speak to you with an audible voice?
Before you can argue about what "god" tests you with, you'll have to demonstrate there's even a god that exists in the first place that anyone can verify and confirm.
I hope to you see on every single news channel as a top story and scientists writing peer reviewed articles with your compelling evidence that a god exists.
BastEternal 4 weeks ago
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@BastEternal I know what God said, because I took the time to hear.
IwillhonorGod 3 weeks ago
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@BastEternal God can speak to people in a variety of different ways. Through people, Through situations, Through objects, Through angles, Through super natural knowledge, and natural knowledge.
IwillhonorGod 3 weeks ago
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@BastEternal The Word says, the spirit of man, is the candle of the Lord.....probably I would think, today, it would be said, that the spirit of man, is the electric light bulb of the Lord. God is a Spirit.....that Word says. God speaks through His Spirit, and it is not a limited communication, like we have.
IwillhonorGod 3 weeks ago
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@BastEternal It has been a long road, to learn to listen to the spirit, still I am not all the way there. I still rebel some times, and it is stupid not to listen to God.
IwillhonorGod 3 weeks ago
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@BastEternal Might have heard the audible voice of God once or twice that I can think of off the top of my head.
IwillhonorGod 3 weeks ago
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@BastEternal God will speak to you in your spirit....many people don't believe they have spirits, and really lack knowledge about what this is....to say your heart, or your inner most being, or the hidden man of the heart usually clears it up for people.
IwillhonorGod 3 weeks ago
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@BastEternal some times, God will let you know things in your heart, that your mind can not give a reason for.....like why you know it.....you just know it.....the spirit of man is the candle of the Lord.
IwillhonorGod 3 weeks ago
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@BastEternal demonstration = essence of faith = believe first, then receive....what are going to receive? What you have faith for....how are you going to get faith?...by the Word of God.....can you have faith for any thing out side of the will of God? no you can't.....the Word of God is the will of God, and the Word says, Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.....you can't have faith beyond knowledge.
IwillhonorGod 3 weeks ago
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@BastEternal Look up Kenneth E Hagin......I don't know what your source your going to use, you might have to call his organization, and question them closely about the guy, and miracles that God did for him, and through him.
IwillhonorGod 3 weeks ago
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@BastEternal I would search, for some Christians, that were not bound by the black plague, in the time it was on the earth. It was scientifically proven, that when they would touch any thing with this disease, it died instantly.
IwillhonorGod 3 weeks ago
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@BastEternal maybe you would believe William Rodriguez, who was the head janitor of the twin towers.
IwillhonorGod 3 weeks ago
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@BastEternal regarding being on the news, and talking about evidence for God, I think I could do it....I think there is other people who could do it better than me....but I think I could do it....but I don't think they would have the patience, at the news place, they would edit 99%, and miss 99%.
IwillhonorGod 3 weeks ago
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@BastEternal the new world order, which is really an old world order, will not bow down to truth of their own free will, they are after power....and they don't care about truth, even if the cost of their power is blood for money....like the central banks are doing, starting wars, having both sides borrowing, and borrowing.
IwillhonorGod 3 weeks ago
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@BastEternal it is funny what you say.....as I think about it....videos, on youtube, are not evidence of any thing....but video on news channels, you seem to think are....hmmmm....ha ha ha ha ha
IwillhonorGod 3 weeks ago
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@BastEternal I would not need to go on a news channel.....if God said, I would try to do it....but honestly, I guess you don't know, there is lots of news channels out their already, that are reporting these things....you must have just never heard of them....did I invite you to my channel yet?.....ha ha ha ha ha
IwillhonorGod 3 weeks ago
@BastEternal prophecy would be good, if you could actually talk to some one that understood it, and listen.
IwillhonorGod 4 weeks ago
@BastEternal your not all ears. If you could listen, if you wanted to listen, you would, and you would not carry on about this nonsense of a youtube video not being evidence. Do you know how to reason? it seems like a pretty blunt question hey?
IwillhonorGod 4 weeks ago
@BastEternal Have you heard of Israel? God said this country would become a country again, and it did in the last 100 years. actually God said to Moses it would fall apart 2 times, and come back together 2 times, and it has.
IwillhonorGod 4 weeks ago
@BastEternal God said in His word, in the book of Job, that there are path ways in the sea. The guy that discovered oceanography, read it in the bible first, then searched it out.
IwillhonorGod 4 weeks ago
@IwillhonorGod
Leading the "evidence" to the answer you want it to lead to is never a good idea.
waterencyclopediaDOTcom/Mi-Oc/Ocean-CurrentsDOThtml
"Mariners have known for many centuries that the ocean contains currents that flow along generally consistent paths. The Spanish galleons transporting gold and silver from Mexico to Spain made use of the Gulf Stream to help them return home, while Benjamin Franklin used ships' log books to draw a map of this current in 1772..."
BastEternal 4 weeks ago
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@BastEternal I don't lead the evidence. The evidence leads. But if you would look, I would lead you to the evidence, that leads to the answer.
IwillhonorGod 3 weeks ago
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@BastEternal What is the name of the guy that discovered it?.....look into it
IwillhonorGod 3 weeks ago
@BastEternal God said, in the book of job, also, that there are springs in the ocean, this book was written before the time of Jesus, and it was before the time of submarines....how do you think, the Author knew this?
IwillhonorGod 4 weeks ago
@IwillhonorGod
Water currents from springs tend to appear at the surface of the water at low tide...any boat-wielding seaman could have figured it out by comparing any shallow water springs that do the same thing.
You don't need a submarine to figure out that there are springs in the ocean, just a pair of eyes.
BastEternal 4 weeks ago
@BastEternal by modern science, the way that weather is predicted was only come up with, in the last 100 years or so, but it is in this book that was written how many thousand years ago.
IwillhonorGod 4 weeks ago
@IwillhonorGod
People have been accurately predicting the weather for thousands of years.
wwwDOTinfopleaseDOTcom/cig/weather/forecasting-from-beginningDOThtml
"One of the earliest scientific approaches to weather prediction occurred around 300 B.C.E., documented in Aristotle's work, "Meteorologica."
Here's a free cpoy of Theophrastus book (who was Aristotle's apprentice) "Weather Signs"
penelopeDOTuchicagoDOTedu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Theophrastus/De_signis*DOThtml
BastEternal 4 weeks ago
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@BastEternal The book of job, is one of the oldest books of the bible, Moses probably read it in his day.
IwillhonorGod 3 weeks ago
@BastEternal The bible said in the last days scoffers will come.....and here you are.
IwillhonorGod 4 weeks ago
@IwillhonorGod
Yeah, and the bible "predicts" that men will be lovers of money (like they weren't already when the bible was written - refer to your very own bible for this (John 2:15), when your alleged jesus wielding a whip is said to have cleared out "his father's house" of people buying/selling stuff.
The bible also predicts wars and earthquakes...wowsers, what a prediction.
Not.
BastEternal 4 weeks ago
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@BastEternal He did clean it out, you got this point right. And He will be cleaning it out again....and eventually there will be an end of sin.
regarding wars and earth quakes, this is a study worth your time....look at the stats...and look at what God actually said...you got part of it.
IwillhonorGod 3 weeks ago
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@BastEternal He did clean it out, you got this point right. And He will be cleaning it out again....and eventually there will be an end of sin.
regarding wars and earth quakes, this is a study worth your time....look at the stats...and look at what God actually said...you got part of it.
IwillhonorGod 3 weeks ago