For your information, I would add that the Baha'i Faith is the 2nd most wide spread religion in the world, only next to Christianity which is 2000 years. The proof of its truth is the fruits of its teaching in uniting peoples of the world from all backgrounds. Despite your enemosity towards Baha'is, Bahai's are lovers of Islam and promoter of the truth of Islam. Remember that the Profit Mohhammad also suffered by the non believers during His life.
According to the imbecile speaker of this video produced by the Islamic Republic, the founder of Islam, Mohammad has expressed following rubbish "God forgive every sin but not the sin of founding a new religion".
If Mohammed is right (as these idiots believe he is) God would never forgive him, since he himself has founded a new religion.
Later on: "Bahai is not a religion but a political party". If so, than Bahai (not founding a new religion) has done less harm to God than Mohammed.
haha khodavand kasiro ke din besazad nemibakhshad pas hazrate mohammad ke sakht onam az noe badtarinesho pas hazrat be ghole khod dar dozakh tashrif daran
There is no other book on this face of the planet that can be compared to the Holy Quran, its flawless and has not been changed even a dot. It is full of miracles whether it is scientific or prophecies. Bahaullah tried to add his own ideas on his book which is scientific related and we know today that he failed therefore he cannot be God or Prophet. Abdul Baha who is considered infallible has also said things which are false thanks to science of today.
And you still cannot list me 10 new things that your God taught the human kind in his book. I hope you don't bring up the "Universal language, Universal currency, Universal Government, and Universal religion" because this is a dream which will never come true! What is the new language that Baha'ullah claimed in his book? Please do explain and also explain the new currency too!
If you cannot stand when someone questions your faith and proves you wrong with your belief then find a way to deal with it, don't bark at the person who inquires about the organization that you belong.
By the way, tell me what other religion except the Baha'i faith requires a CARD to identify you as a Baha'i? This is a organization that you belong, its not a religion.
Your are mentally challenged. I insist on that, because you think of youself in a position to prove anything wrong. You are NOTHING buddy no1 cares what you have to say. so shut up
Well you have nothing to say because I proved you wrong with whatever you said and my claims are all valid with sources right from your Baha'i official website.
This is your problem that you can't stand the truth when someone proves that your religion is false. You claim to be Baha'i but you don't know shit about your organization. You are a joke just like the rest of Baha'i followers because they don't know shit about what they practice except a few who are speechless when I am there.
I think you need to open up the book which you call "Holy" and read it and find out about the organization that you belong to (Baha'i) and see what it teaches so you can fully understand it. The reason why you are so mad is because your faith does not allow you to question your faith and I am doing just that it you are seeing the flaws and you are unable to absorb them. It's that simple.
Jesus never claimed to be God or the son of God. The Christian scriptures which keeps being modified has turned Jesus into God. Even in today's Bible, you will never find a single quote from Jesus that says, "I am God or worship me".
On the contrary, Jesus says that "I can't myself do nothing, all the power that is given to me is by my father". He never said that he was God, he said he was a servant of God which is a Prophet.
You are wrong. You faith teaches you nothing and you don't understand anything of your faith and your pope changes the scripture. There is a new and different version of the bible on every corner. I mean how can that book be kept as a valid source when so many people have made modifications. Jesus says he is God and he says he is his Son... don't deny it. and if you can't answer then don't bark like a dog. just burn inside and drink some water you fool
I stated on my previous post that "Jesus never claimed to be God son of God. The Christian scriptures which keeps being modified has turned Jesus into God. Furthermore, there is not a single quote from Jesus that says, I am God or worship me in the Bible".
Again, you fail to read my previous post that I disagree with the Christians and their claims about Jesus. Jesus never said I am God or son of God. If he did, please show me the quote from Bible that says I am God.
@MrHolyGoat wow what a great faith you have... they change the bible... how united you guys are it's really wonderful. I don't understand how can a faith that changes the word of their prophet try to prove another faith wrong. Seems like you don't have an answer. And as for the 10 things, i'll tell you 1 thing, we don't change our scripture to what we want it to be...
What part of my replies do you not understand because I have not declared myself as a Christian and you think otherwise. I am a Muslim not a Christian. I thought you would understand from my previous replies that Bible has been modified and Jesus never claimed to be God.
As for your scriptures, nobody has access to your scriptures and that makes it suspicious because there are original Bible and Holy Quran available for people to look at it and examine it and it has ben done.
@MrHolyGoat ok, you just told me you are very very very very stupid. Let me tell you why we are not stupid, do you think with people like you out there, there would be any sense to realeasing the original holy book? i mean i can't even imagine what you guys would do to it because you guys don't believe in it. Secondly can you explain to me what happened exactly at the moment when mohamad died? exactly, his religion split into two. You are just angry that Baha'i faith didn't and remained united.
@ramtinking you say you are a muslim as if you guys didn't change the Quran. Well your faith doesn't teach you anything my friend and let me tell you why. The mullas read the quran and they were like oh man this part disagrees with that other part so they deleted 1 of them. and this didnt happen just once, this happened many times, so the quran you are reading right now has been modified a million times. Can you explain why a woman is half of man?
@ramtinking the 10 things, those are exactly what i'm going to tell you, the language, the currency, and all the other ones that you know too. If you think it's impossible well you are not a Baha'i so nobody is expecting you to believe in it. So leave it up to us. Meanwhile show more hatred towards others because that's what quran teaches you right?
Quran tells us to come to common terms with other faith and I am just doing that by asking you questions and you are unable to provide me with answers. It is not my fault when you are unable to show me 5 new things that your God Bahaullah taught you. The Holy Quran has all the answers for the humans and Bahaullah has copied all the teachings from the Quran and has countless of the quotes from the Quran.
You are obviously not a Baha'i if you don't know anything about your "Devotional Meetings" that your faith calls upon and you have them across North America on Thursday nights. You also celebrate the the 19th day Feast which is in every month and on the 19th day which completes the Baha'i month. Again, you lack the basic knowledge of your own faith. It's not your fault because your faith is an organization not a religion and you don't learn much about the faith that you practice.
@MrHolyGoat you know what... it's better than being a muslim like you who kills others when they tell them that they are WRONG. You are arrogant and you know it. Telling me what I know and don't know. I know that you are arrogant and pointless and worthless that's all i need to know...
Again you fail to admit these facts and you automatically attack me by calling me a Muslim who kills others. You have not answered any of my questions and you fully know that you don't have answers and even if you do, you are too ashamed to say it because you are clearly a worshiper of Baha'ullah whom you call God. You have his name framed in your home and you ask him for forgiveness and you pray to him.
Again you have shown ur stupidity because I've already answered you question but your are not smart enough to understand. I'm ashamed of YOU because you are not brave enough, you are so scared and ashamed of youself that you argue behind the computer. You need THERAPY. GO GET HELP. STOP THINKING OF YOURSELF AS BEING ABOVE OTHERS. YOU ARE CLREARLY SICK. DON"T WRITE TO ME YOU SICK PERSON.
Well it looks like you cannot stand real facts when pointed to you that is why you are turning this discussion into a personal argument by attacking my belief and throwing your personal slurs against me.
I have not said anything personal against you but you have started barking like a dog, is this what Baha'ullah teaches you to do when someone questions your faith? I know BAB does not allow you to question your faith what so ever and I guess we have a case of it right here with you.
Baha'ullah not only claimed to be God but he claimed to be Jesus, Mahdi, Krishna, Zoroaster, and Buddha. Christianity and Islam rejects his claim for being Jesus and Mahdi. Islam rejects his claim because in the Holy Quran, it is mentioned that Mohammaded (PBUH) is the final Prophet and the religion of Islam is complete. Moreover, in both of the scriptures it is written that Jesus will come at the day of Judgement which it has not come yet!
@MrHolyGoat ok you know what. I think you are not worth arguing. But I'll tell you what, why don't you drop by to the meeting that you claim baha'is have every thursday and maybe they can tolerate your ignorance better than i can because no matter how much i explain yor primitive mind won't let you. Believe in what ever you want, but you don't have the right to this others are less than you. BYE
Again you are spreading false information about Baha'ullah. According to the "Most Holy Book" of the Baha'ullah, he is your God.
"There is none other God but Me, the Mighty, the All-Wise. " - Baha'ullah
Maybe you should tell us the truth that you believe that Baha'ullah is God and also a Prophet at the same time. He clearly claims in his book that he is Mighty, Wise and God!
@MrHolyGoat First of all, let me relieve you of any type of commitment that you might have to proving me wrong simply for the fact that i have my OWN brain and nobody else needs to think for me. Secondly, you are absolutely 100% wrong about meeting on thursday nights, where are you getting this wrong information i don't know and it's the reason i'm not taking you seriously.
Apparently, you are not using your brain because those are the words of Baha'ullah (Your God/Prophet) that you cannot share the faith with the Israelites (Jews of Israel) not my words.
As for the Baha'i meetings, they have meetings every Thursday night in North America (Canada/US), where they discuss religion, politics, Baha'i community involvements etc. I am surprised that you are again not aware of such events within your own community.
@MrHolyGoat Third, you tend to read only parts of the scripture which best suits your arguement. When Baha'u'llah says " There is none other God but me" he is speaking for God, and you might have not heard this before, but that's pretty much what messengers do they are bringing God's words for us. Therefore, being a Baha'i myself, have explained that Baha'u'llah does not proclaim that he is God himself, yet clearly states that he must speak Gods words, and those words are God.
@ramtinking and lastly, rather than generalizing weather or not the Baha'i comunity is not aware of what they are practising, maybe you should consider that your interpretation of the text could be wrong. I mean i could ask the very same question to you. How can Jesus be God and his son? i mean how is that logically even possible? Being your own son? there is a paradox there. Again i would like to mention that Baha'i Faith is for all mankind and everyone is welcome regardless of race/ethnicity
Jesus never claimed to be "God" nor he said to "worship me". He never said that I do all th e miracles with my own power, he said that this is all given to my by my father. He said that my father is greater than I. Someone called Jesus good and he replied that the only person who is good is the father in the heaven. He was humble and never claimed to be "All Wise, Knowing and I am God" the way Baha'ullah claimed to be. There is the difference hope you come to understanding.
This is plain English and there are not twists to it, he clearly claims that he is "God" and not speaking for God. If he spoke for God, he would have said what Moses, Jesus and Mohammad said that "God is wise and all knowing". If you read the past scriptures none of the Prophets said that "I am God". It's a blasphemy in Judaism and Islam to compare a Prophet in any level with God. If Baha'ullah said that to the Jews, he would have been murdered on the spot.
If you are a Baha'i you would know for fact that Baha'ullah prohibited his followers to not share the faith with the Israelites (Jews of Israel). This is a clear fact, either you are in denial or you may not know this because most Baha'i followers are not fully aware of what they are practicing.
You should consult with your organizations that you guys attend on weekly (Thursday nights) bases maybe they will be kind enough to explain this fact for you.
Speak of logical arguments, When Baha'ullah said that the UHJ will always be protected by God and those who are in the UHJ that produce new laws. How is that logically possible? Can you explain to me this process?
Baha'ullah is a false Prophet according to the Bible and the Holy Quran. He claimed to be Krishna, Buddha, Zoroaster, Jesus, Mahdi, Husyn and he is also God. I think this gives us enough reasons to say that he is an impostor whom was supported by the British and Jews to spread this false organization. If he was not a Jewish spy, why are you Baha'i people not allowed to share your faith with the Israelites? I thought Baha'i faith was Universal but it discriminate against the Jews.
@MrHolyGoat First of all, Baha'i universal house of justice is IN ISRAEL and has been for quite sometime, so i don't think you know what you are talking about. Secondly, Baha'i faith IS universal and doesn't discriminate against anybody, being from any religion or race. And third, Bahai Faith is not being supported by the British and/or Jews.
Baha'i Universal House of Justice is in Israel, it is also believed to be protected by God and the Ministers are all inspired by God to make decisions. Whatever the UHJ say, Baha'i believers must follow it without a question.
As a Baha'i you are not allowed to share your faith with Israelites (Jews of Israel), the grave of Baha'ullah is in Israel and every Baha'i must face towards Haifa Israel to pray! You must also pay certain amount for UHJ!
@MrHolyGoat so... what's ur point sorry i kind of missed it... or did u have a point? or how does that make my faith less of yours? since you have such a scientific view i would assume you can argue your points logically... or am i completely wrong about you i don't know... i mean you haven't posted your age in your page and your name is "MrHolyGoat" so i mean comon do expect me to take you VERY seriously... just a little serious
Apparently you did not understand what I had written. Can you tell me how does your God protects the UHJ and how are these Ministers are inspired by God to make divine decisions and for you to accept them no matter what?
You mentioned that Baha'i faith is not supported by Israel, if it is not then why are you not allowed to share your faith with the Israelites? Why is Baha'ullah buried in Israel? Why you must face Haifa Israel to pray?
@MrHolyGoat First of all i don't understand where you get this wrong info that we are not allowed to share our faith with any single race or type of a person. In our view we are all humans. Secondly, the UHJ is located in Israel and it is being funded only by baha'is around the world. Third, just like the muslims face the Makkah for praying, we face Israel because that's where the prophet is barried. Any other questions you might have?
Vaghean be ghole hazrate Bahaullah khodeton tahghigh konid!Aeene moghaddase bahai joz inke aramesh va eshgh beyne mardom ijad konad chize digari nemikhahad,..va be hameye adyan ehteram migozare va dar neveshte ha hast ke zamani ke hazrate masih amad farmod hamsaye at ra doost bedar,zamani ke mohammad amad farmod ghabileat ra doost bedar va zamani ke Bahaullah amad farmod hame mardome koreye zamin ra doost bedar,aya chize badist?
It is so funny. Jasoos? be ghole doostemoon tazegiha ke ye mellat millioni jasoose esrail va Amrica shodan. in ghesseha dige joz inke adamo bekhandoone hich faydeye digari nadare.
In khaili jalebh! harkesi harfe hagh zad va bar alyhe manfeye akhondaye moftkhor harf zad mishe dastneshandeye Englis bad ham Amrica? alan ham hameye melate iran ke bar alayhe molaha ghiyam kardan shodan dastneshandeye englis badesh ham Amrica.... ma irani ha masale khobi darim age goftin chiye???
Mollah's are too scared, because the bahai faith has ended the Mollah era... it said we don't need any mullahs, that's why iranians Mullahs are saying all these lies to prove it wrong, not understanding that truth doesn't need any defenders. Say what you want, the true seeker will find the truth, and the ones that rely on youtube as their source of information will be lost in no time.
Are you sure about the Baha'i faith ending the Mollah era because you cannot publicly declare your faith in Iran and you don't have the same rights as other Iranians who are not Baha'i. You are still an alien in that country and seen as a second class citizen with limited rights. How does that end the Mollah era when you are unable to speak up for yourself and defend yourself and your rights?
what a lie. khode khomeyni va akhoondha hame dast neshandeh englis hastan. amir kabir ham ke bad az barkenarish az vezarat pas chera be sefarate russia panahandeh shod.? in shomaha hastid ke ba in mozakhrafatetoon beyne mardom jodaee andakhtin. shoma jasoos va khaene iran hastid ke hame chize irani ro azash gerefteed. namard ham rafsenjani khaje hast,
Bebakhshid dooste aziz, tarikhe shahadate hazrate Bab 9 July 1850 boodeh (wikipedia), Lotfan shoma khodetoon tarikhe koshteh shodane Amir Kabir ro peyda konid va dar inja benevisid ta hameh roshan beshan, ehtiyaji be fahhashi nist.
Thanks for all your comments. I am A Active Baha'i. I got this clip and it has 2 parts. and iran government showed on Iran TV.
So I put it here to tell all friends what Iran government did show this clip on his first channel. and what they are trying to tell people about Baha'i faith.
Thanks for all your comments. I am A Active Baha'i.and live in US. I got this clip and it has 2 parts. and iran government showed on Iran TV.
So I put it here to tell all friends what Iran government did show this clip on his first channel. and what they are trying to tell people about Baha'i faith.
6-Are the Bahais enemies of Iran, middle east, and Muslims? All these happening around the world to divide the Muslim world and for the purpose of Propaganda? !!!If so, as a Bahai what I am gaining here? Denial of education and other basic rights, imprisonment, execution, banishment from homeland,
I most be truly insane to go through all these for the sake of propaganda, spying for the foreigners, and dividing the Muslim worl!!!Or a truly dedicated spy?.
5-That all these diverse nations believe in prophet Mohammad as a true messenger of god which they didnt believe as such prior to their acceptance of the BahaI faith? And whenever a prayer is chanted in Persian or Arabic they listen attentively with outmost respect and joy. Is this dividing the middle east and Muslim world?
4-Did you know for example, a native American, an Eskimo or Inuit, a Brazilian of the Amazon jungles, an Egyptian farmer of the Nile valley, Swedish of Scandinavia, Maoris of New Zealand , Australian aboriginal, British from London, American New Yorker, Chinese, celebrate the Nawruz festival (Eid) which is a Persian holyday after becoming a Bahai ? Is this byproduct of spying or treason?
3-Isnt there any better ways for propaganda, than traveling and living in four corners of the world and often under harsh and unfavorable conditions by the Bahais amongst spiritually or materialistically impoverished nations who they consider as their brothers and sisters regardless of color, race and religious background, offering their expertise and services, share the message of unity, love and harmony?. Who is truly serving the downtrodden of the world (Mostazafin e Arz)? Bahais or you?
azizan in dorost ast ke amir kabir dar be shahadat residan hazrate bab dast dasht vali motmaennan ertebate siasiey babaian va bahaian ba dovale bigane az asasbe be kazzabi agheshtas vassalam
1. Amir Kabir died long before Bab was executed, there fore he could not have ordered the execution.
2. Baha'i Faith is recognized as an independent religion by all the democratic countries, therefore the worthless words of Khomeini are of no concern.
3. Khomeini's work was a bunch of lies which have gotten the bright and tallented persian people to their current political state which has lowered their status in the world because of the political stupidity of Ahmadinejad.
Every Iranian must respect all the religions and ideologies of Iran,
stop this fascist of Islam,
stop demonizing every buddy and mark your self only as the good one, because we know who you Islamist are.
You are worst then Devil.
Iranian always in history respected all religions, and when we change Iran back to zoroastrism we are going to follow Persian way of our nation, then we are going to build Iran once agene no matter our religion we build it together.
@AzadehIran Well, if you believe that there is only on truth in the world, then only the religions inline will stay together not the one opposing that way!
Religion is not personal my friend, you can see clearly in the holy literature, the laws of taxation, amre beh maroof and nahy az monkar,the advises they are all social! when they say "dont lie" is this personal? unless you take it as "dont lie to yourself"!!
اینکه گفتی بد نبود. پس این بهای ها دنباله صلح جهانی هستند
اینکه از جنگ و تفرقه بهتره
parshia 1 year ago
For your information, I would add that the Baha'i Faith is the 2nd most wide spread religion in the world, only next to Christianity which is 2000 years. The proof of its truth is the fruits of its teaching in uniting peoples of the world from all backgrounds. Despite your enemosity towards Baha'is, Bahai's are lovers of Islam and promoter of the truth of Islam. Remember that the Profit Mohhammad also suffered by the non believers during His life.
vidawachob19 1 year ago
According to the imbecile speaker of this video produced by the Islamic Republic, the founder of Islam, Mohammad has expressed following rubbish "God forgive every sin but not the sin of founding a new religion".
If Mohammed is right (as these idiots believe he is) God would never forgive him, since he himself has founded a new religion.
Later on: "Bahai is not a religion but a political party". If so, than Bahai (not founding a new religion) has done less harm to God than Mohammed.
Sartre3 1 year ago
@Sartre3 Mohammad did not start a new religion! he always said that
this is the religion of Ebrahim,Moses and Jesus!
shahinpar 1 year ago
all religon suck, one at the time
babakpakbaz 1 year ago
F..k Islam
jezadeh1 1 year ago
haha khodavand kasiro ke din besazad nemibakhshad pas hazrate mohammad ke sakht onam az noe badtarinesho pas hazrat be ghole khod dar dozakh tashrif daran
etaheriri 1 year ago
@etaheriri Mohammad did not start a new religion! he always said that
this is the religion of Ebrahim,Moses and Jesus!
shahinpar 1 year ago
Ridam too eslam, baz ina mesle sag az gheyre mosalmoona tarsidan raftan cherto pert sakhtan. Fuck islam
Butterflyonocean 2 years ago
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Butterflyonocean 2 years ago
@ ramtinking
There is no other book on this face of the planet that can be compared to the Holy Quran, its flawless and has not been changed even a dot. It is full of miracles whether it is scientific or prophecies. Bahaullah tried to add his own ideas on his book which is scientific related and we know today that he failed therefore he cannot be God or Prophet. Abdul Baha who is considered infallible has also said things which are false thanks to science of today.
MrHolyGoat 2 years ago
And you still cannot list me 10 new things that your God taught the human kind in his book. I hope you don't bring up the "Universal language, Universal currency, Universal Government, and Universal religion" because this is a dream which will never come true! What is the new language that Baha'ullah claimed in his book? Please do explain and also explain the new currency too!
MrHolyGoat 2 years ago
Can you list me 10 new things that Baha'ullah taught you which you cannot find in the past scriptures (Bible or The Holy Quran)?
MrHolyGoat 2 years ago
If you cannot stand when someone questions your faith and proves you wrong with your belief then find a way to deal with it, don't bark at the person who inquires about the organization that you belong.
By the way, tell me what other religion except the Baha'i faith requires a CARD to identify you as a Baha'i? This is a organization that you belong, its not a religion.
MrHolyGoat 2 years ago
Your are mentally challenged. I insist on that, because you think of youself in a position to prove anything wrong. You are NOTHING buddy no1 cares what you have to say. so shut up
ramtinking 2 years ago
Well you have nothing to say because I proved you wrong with whatever you said and my claims are all valid with sources right from your Baha'i official website.
This is your problem that you can't stand the truth when someone proves that your religion is false. You claim to be Baha'i but you don't know shit about your organization. You are a joke just like the rest of Baha'i followers because they don't know shit about what they practice except a few who are speechless when I am there.
MrHolyGoat 2 years ago
you are nothing buddy go sleep... nobody cares what you have to say... see a therapist
ramtinking 2 years ago
I think you need to open up the book which you call "Holy" and read it and find out about the organization that you belong to (Baha'i) and see what it teaches so you can fully understand it. The reason why you are so mad is because your faith does not allow you to question your faith and I am doing just that it you are seeing the flaws and you are unable to absorb them. It's that simple.
MrHolyGoat 2 years ago
alright, let's question your faith the, how can Jesus be God and son of God? there you have nothing to say so shut up
ramtinking 2 years ago
Jesus never claimed to be God or the son of God. The Christian scriptures which keeps being modified has turned Jesus into God. Even in today's Bible, you will never find a single quote from Jesus that says, "I am God or worship me".
On the contrary, Jesus says that "I can't myself do nothing, all the power that is given to me is by my father". He never said that he was God, he said he was a servant of God which is a Prophet.
MrHolyGoat 2 years ago
You are wrong. You faith teaches you nothing and you don't understand anything of your faith and your pope changes the scripture. There is a new and different version of the bible on every corner. I mean how can that book be kept as a valid source when so many people have made modifications. Jesus says he is God and he says he is his Son... don't deny it. and if you can't answer then don't bark like a dog. just burn inside and drink some water you fool
ramtinking 2 years ago
@ ramtinking
I stated on my previous post that "Jesus never claimed to be God son of God. The Christian scriptures which keeps being modified has turned Jesus into God. Furthermore, there is not a single quote from Jesus that says, I am God or worship me in the Bible".
Again, you fail to read my previous post that I disagree with the Christians and their claims about Jesus. Jesus never said I am God or son of God. If he did, please show me the quote from Bible that says I am God.
MrHolyGoat 2 years ago
@MrHolyGoat wow what a great faith you have... they change the bible... how united you guys are it's really wonderful. I don't understand how can a faith that changes the word of their prophet try to prove another faith wrong. Seems like you don't have an answer. And as for the 10 things, i'll tell you 1 thing, we don't change our scripture to what we want it to be...
ramtinking 2 years ago
@ ramtinking
What part of my replies do you not understand because I have not declared myself as a Christian and you think otherwise. I am a Muslim not a Christian. I thought you would understand from my previous replies that Bible has been modified and Jesus never claimed to be God.
As for your scriptures, nobody has access to your scriptures and that makes it suspicious because there are original Bible and Holy Quran available for people to look at it and examine it and it has ben done.
MrHolyGoat 2 years ago
@MrHolyGoat ok, you just told me you are very very very very stupid. Let me tell you why we are not stupid, do you think with people like you out there, there would be any sense to realeasing the original holy book? i mean i can't even imagine what you guys would do to it because you guys don't believe in it. Secondly can you explain to me what happened exactly at the moment when mohamad died? exactly, his religion split into two. You are just angry that Baha'i faith didn't and remained united.
ramtinking 2 years ago
@ramtinking you say you are a muslim as if you guys didn't change the Quran. Well your faith doesn't teach you anything my friend and let me tell you why. The mullas read the quran and they were like oh man this part disagrees with that other part so they deleted 1 of them. and this didnt happen just once, this happened many times, so the quran you are reading right now has been modified a million times. Can you explain why a woman is half of man?
ramtinking 2 years ago
@ramtinking the 10 things, those are exactly what i'm going to tell you, the language, the currency, and all the other ones that you know too. If you think it's impossible well you are not a Baha'i so nobody is expecting you to believe in it. So leave it up to us. Meanwhile show more hatred towards others because that's what quran teaches you right?
ramtinking 2 years ago
@ ramtinking
Quran tells us to come to common terms with other faith and I am just doing that by asking you questions and you are unable to provide me with answers. It is not my fault when you are unable to show me 5 new things that your God Bahaullah taught you. The Holy Quran has all the answers for the humans and Bahaullah has copied all the teachings from the Quran and has countless of the quotes from the Quran.
MrHolyGoat 2 years ago
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MrHolyGoat 2 years ago
@ rintinking
You are obviously not a Baha'i if you don't know anything about your "Devotional Meetings" that your faith calls upon and you have them across North America on Thursday nights. You also celebrate the the 19th day Feast which is in every month and on the 19th day which completes the Baha'i month. Again, you lack the basic knowledge of your own faith. It's not your fault because your faith is an organization not a religion and you don't learn much about the faith that you practice.
MrHolyGoat 2 years ago
@MrHolyGoat you know what... it's better than being a muslim like you who kills others when they tell them that they are WRONG. You are arrogant and you know it. Telling me what I know and don't know. I know that you are arrogant and pointless and worthless that's all i need to know...
ramtinking 2 years ago
@ ramtinking
Again you fail to admit these facts and you automatically attack me by calling me a Muslim who kills others. You have not answered any of my questions and you fully know that you don't have answers and even if you do, you are too ashamed to say it because you are clearly a worshiper of Baha'ullah whom you call God. You have his name framed in your home and you ask him for forgiveness and you pray to him.
MrHolyGoat 2 years ago
Again you have shown ur stupidity because I've already answered you question but your are not smart enough to understand. I'm ashamed of YOU because you are not brave enough, you are so scared and ashamed of youself that you argue behind the computer. You need THERAPY. GO GET HELP. STOP THINKING OF YOURSELF AS BEING ABOVE OTHERS. YOU ARE CLREARLY SICK. DON"T WRITE TO ME YOU SICK PERSON.
ramtinking 2 years ago
Well it looks like you cannot stand real facts when pointed to you that is why you are turning this discussion into a personal argument by attacking my belief and throwing your personal slurs against me.
I have not said anything personal against you but you have started barking like a dog, is this what Baha'ullah teaches you to do when someone questions your faith? I know BAB does not allow you to question your faith what so ever and I guess we have a case of it right here with you.
MrHolyGoat 2 years ago
@ ramtinking
Baha'ullah not only claimed to be God but he claimed to be Jesus, Mahdi, Krishna, Zoroaster, and Buddha. Christianity and Islam rejects his claim for being Jesus and Mahdi. Islam rejects his claim because in the Holy Quran, it is mentioned that Mohammaded (PBUH) is the final Prophet and the religion of Islam is complete. Moreover, in both of the scriptures it is written that Jesus will come at the day of Judgement which it has not come yet!
MrHolyGoat 2 years ago
@MrHolyGoat ok you know what. I think you are not worth arguing. But I'll tell you what, why don't you drop by to the meeting that you claim baha'is have every thursday and maybe they can tolerate your ignorance better than i can because no matter how much i explain yor primitive mind won't let you. Believe in what ever you want, but you don't have the right to this others are less than you. BYE
ramtinking 2 years ago
@ ramtinking
Again you are spreading false information about Baha'ullah. According to the "Most Holy Book" of the Baha'ullah, he is your God.
"There is none other God but Me, the Mighty, the All-Wise. " - Baha'ullah
Maybe you should tell us the truth that you believe that Baha'ullah is God and also a Prophet at the same time. He clearly claims in his book that he is Mighty, Wise and God!
reference.bahai . org /en/t/b/KA/ka-4. html
MrHolyGoat 2 years ago
@MrHolyGoat First of all, let me relieve you of any type of commitment that you might have to proving me wrong simply for the fact that i have my OWN brain and nobody else needs to think for me. Secondly, you are absolutely 100% wrong about meeting on thursday nights, where are you getting this wrong information i don't know and it's the reason i'm not taking you seriously.
ramtinking 2 years ago
@ ramtinking
Apparently, you are not using your brain because those are the words of Baha'ullah (Your God/Prophet) that you cannot share the faith with the Israelites (Jews of Israel) not my words.
As for the Baha'i meetings, they have meetings every Thursday night in North America (Canada/US), where they discuss religion, politics, Baha'i community involvements etc. I am surprised that you are again not aware of such events within your own community.
MrHolyGoat 2 years ago
@MrHolyGoat Third, you tend to read only parts of the scripture which best suits your arguement. When Baha'u'llah says " There is none other God but me" he is speaking for God, and you might have not heard this before, but that's pretty much what messengers do they are bringing God's words for us. Therefore, being a Baha'i myself, have explained that Baha'u'llah does not proclaim that he is God himself, yet clearly states that he must speak Gods words, and those words are God.
ramtinking 2 years ago
@ramtinking and lastly, rather than generalizing weather or not the Baha'i comunity is not aware of what they are practising, maybe you should consider that your interpretation of the text could be wrong. I mean i could ask the very same question to you. How can Jesus be God and his son? i mean how is that logically even possible? Being your own son? there is a paradox there. Again i would like to mention that Baha'i Faith is for all mankind and everyone is welcome regardless of race/ethnicity
ramtinking 2 years ago
@ ramtinking
Jesus never claimed to be "God" nor he said to "worship me". He never said that I do all th e miracles with my own power, he said that this is all given to my by my father. He said that my father is greater than I. Someone called Jesus good and he replied that the only person who is good is the father in the heaven. He was humble and never claimed to be "All Wise, Knowing and I am God" the way Baha'ullah claimed to be. There is the difference hope you come to understanding.
MrHolyGoat 2 years ago
@ ramtinking
This is plain English and there are not twists to it, he clearly claims that he is "God" and not speaking for God. If he spoke for God, he would have said what Moses, Jesus and Mohammad said that "God is wise and all knowing". If you read the past scriptures none of the Prophets said that "I am God". It's a blasphemy in Judaism and Islam to compare a Prophet in any level with God. If Baha'ullah said that to the Jews, he would have been murdered on the spot.
MrHolyGoat 2 years ago
@ ramtinking
If you are a Baha'i you would know for fact that Baha'ullah prohibited his followers to not share the faith with the Israelites (Jews of Israel). This is a clear fact, either you are in denial or you may not know this because most Baha'i followers are not fully aware of what they are practicing.
You should consult with your organizations that you guys attend on weekly (Thursday nights) bases maybe they will be kind enough to explain this fact for you.
MrHolyGoat 2 years ago
Speak of logical arguments, When Baha'ullah said that the UHJ will always be protected by God and those who are in the UHJ that produce new laws. How is that logically possible? Can you explain to me this process?
MrHolyGoat 2 years ago
Baha'ullah is a false Prophet according to the Bible and the Holy Quran. He claimed to be Krishna, Buddha, Zoroaster, Jesus, Mahdi, Husyn and he is also God. I think this gives us enough reasons to say that he is an impostor whom was supported by the British and Jews to spread this false organization. If he was not a Jewish spy, why are you Baha'i people not allowed to share your faith with the Israelites? I thought Baha'i faith was Universal but it discriminate against the Jews.
MrHolyGoat 2 years ago
@MrHolyGoat First of all, Baha'i universal house of justice is IN ISRAEL and has been for quite sometime, so i don't think you know what you are talking about. Secondly, Baha'i faith IS universal and doesn't discriminate against anybody, being from any religion or race. And third, Bahai Faith is not being supported by the British and/or Jews.
ramtinking 2 years ago
@ ramtinking
Baha'i Universal House of Justice is in Israel, it is also believed to be protected by God and the Ministers are all inspired by God to make decisions. Whatever the UHJ say, Baha'i believers must follow it without a question.
As a Baha'i you are not allowed to share your faith with Israelites (Jews of Israel), the grave of Baha'ullah is in Israel and every Baha'i must face towards Haifa Israel to pray! You must also pay certain amount for UHJ!
MrHolyGoat 2 years ago
@MrHolyGoat so... what's ur point sorry i kind of missed it... or did u have a point? or how does that make my faith less of yours? since you have such a scientific view i would assume you can argue your points logically... or am i completely wrong about you i don't know... i mean you haven't posted your age in your page and your name is "MrHolyGoat" so i mean comon do expect me to take you VERY seriously... just a little serious
ramtinking 2 years ago
@ ramtinking
Apparently you did not understand what I had written. Can you tell me how does your God protects the UHJ and how are these Ministers are inspired by God to make divine decisions and for you to accept them no matter what?
You mentioned that Baha'i faith is not supported by Israel, if it is not then why are you not allowed to share your faith with the Israelites? Why is Baha'ullah buried in Israel? Why you must face Haifa Israel to pray?
MrHolyGoat 2 years ago
@MrHolyGoat First of all i don't understand where you get this wrong info that we are not allowed to share our faith with any single race or type of a person. In our view we are all humans. Secondly, the UHJ is located in Israel and it is being funded only by baha'is around the world. Third, just like the muslims face the Makkah for praying, we face Israel because that's where the prophet is barried. Any other questions you might have?
ramtinking 2 years ago
Vaghean be ghole hazrate Bahaullah khodeton tahghigh konid!Aeene moghaddase bahai joz inke aramesh va eshgh beyne mardom ijad konad chize digari nemikhahad,..va be hameye adyan ehteram migozare va dar neveshte ha hast ke zamani ke hazrate masih amad farmod hamsaye at ra doost bedar,zamani ke mohammad amad farmod ghabileat ra doost bedar va zamani ke Bahaullah amad farmod hame mardome koreye zamin ra doost bedar,aya chize badist?
ninoosh90 2 years ago
It is so funny. Jasoos? be ghole doostemoon tazegiha ke ye mellat millioni jasoose esrail va Amrica shodan. in ghesseha dige joz inke adamo bekhandoone hich faydeye digari nadare.
nazi971640 2 years ago 2
If your religion is a universal faith, why are you as a Baha'i not allowed to share your faith with the Israelites?
MrHolyGoat 2 years ago
In khaili jalebh! harkesi harfe hagh zad va bar alyhe manfeye akhondaye moftkhor harf zad mishe dastneshandeye Englis bad ham Amrica? alan ham hameye melate iran ke bar alayhe molaha ghiyam kardan shodan dastneshandeye englis badesh ham Amrica.... ma irani ha masale khobi darim age goftin chiye???
chaharlang 2 years ago 2
Mollah's are too scared, because the bahai faith has ended the Mollah era... it said we don't need any mullahs, that's why iranians Mullahs are saying all these lies to prove it wrong, not understanding that truth doesn't need any defenders. Say what you want, the true seeker will find the truth, and the ones that rely on youtube as their source of information will be lost in no time.
ramtinking 2 years ago 5
Are you sure about the Baha'i faith ending the Mollah era because you cannot publicly declare your faith in Iran and you don't have the same rights as other Iranians who are not Baha'i. You are still an alien in that country and seen as a second class citizen with limited rights. How does that end the Mollah era when you are unable to speak up for yourself and defend yourself and your rights?
MrHolyGoat 2 years ago
what a lie. khode khomeyni va akhoondha hame dast neshandeh englis hastan. amir kabir ham ke bad az barkenarish az vezarat pas chera be sefarate russia panahandeh shod.? in shomaha hastid ke ba in mozakhrafatetoon beyne mardom jodaee andakhtin. shoma jasoos va khaene iran hastid ke hame chize irani ro azash gerefteed. namard ham rafsenjani khaje hast,
axxzz123 2 years ago 2
Bebakhshid dooste aziz, tarikhe shahadate hazrate Bab 9 July 1850 boodeh (wikipedia), Lotfan shoma khodetoon tarikhe koshteh shodane Amir Kabir ro peyda konid va dar inja benevisid ta hameh roshan beshan, ehtiyaji be fahhashi nist.
roodkhooneh 3 years ago
I did not left these comments for you dear, so there is no need to thank me...it was intended as a response
for the producers of this program..... love and peace.......
KOUROSHjan 3 years ago
Thanks for all your comments. I am A Active Baha'i. I got this clip and it has 2 parts. and iran government showed on Iran TV.
So I put it here to tell all friends what Iran government did show this clip on his first channel. and what they are trying to tell people about Baha'i faith.
Thanks again sir.
nasimbahai 3 years ago
However we have only one thing to offer you in return of your insults... and that is our love and the message of brotherhood...thats all.....
KOUROSHjan 3 years ago
Thanks for all your comments. I am A Active Baha'i.and live in US. I got this clip and it has 2 parts. and iran government showed on Iran TV.
So I put it here to tell all friends what Iran government did show this clip on his first channel. and what they are trying to tell people about Baha'i faith.
Thanks again sir
nasimbahai 3 years ago
6-Are the Bahais enemies of Iran, middle east, and Muslims? All these happening around the world to divide the Muslim world and for the purpose of Propaganda? !!!If so, as a Bahai what I am gaining here? Denial of education and other basic rights, imprisonment, execution, banishment from homeland,
I most be truly insane to go through all these for the sake of propaganda, spying for the foreigners, and dividing the Muslim worl!!!Or a truly dedicated spy?.
KOUROSHjan 3 years ago 3
5-That all these diverse nations believe in prophet Mohammad as a true messenger of god which they didnt believe as such prior to their acceptance of the BahaI faith? And whenever a prayer is chanted in Persian or Arabic they listen attentively with outmost respect and joy. Is this dividing the middle east and Muslim world?
KOUROSHjan 3 years ago
4-Did you know for example, a native American, an Eskimo or Inuit, a Brazilian of the Amazon jungles, an Egyptian farmer of the Nile valley, Swedish of Scandinavia, Maoris of New Zealand , Australian aboriginal, British from London, American New Yorker, Chinese, celebrate the Nawruz festival (Eid) which is a Persian holyday after becoming a Bahai ? Is this byproduct of spying or treason?
KOUROSHjan 3 years ago
3-Isnt there any better ways for propaganda, than traveling and living in four corners of the world and often under harsh and unfavorable conditions by the Bahais amongst spiritually or materialistically impoverished nations who they consider as their brothers and sisters regardless of color, race and religious background, offering their expertise and services, share the message of unity, love and harmony?. Who is truly serving the downtrodden of the world (Mostazafin e Arz)? Bahais or you?
KOUROSHjan 3 years ago
It is true The Bab was martyred by the order of Amir kabir.this was the only truth mentioned in this clip.
However this video only raises questions not answers. Questions like;
1-Where the BahaI founders spays of Russia or Britain (make up your mind please!)
2-Why would Bahais want to divide the Muslim world and spy for Britain and now USA? What benefit is in this for them?
KOUROSHjan 3 years ago
azizan in dorost ast ke amir kabir dar be shahadat residan hazrate bab dast dasht vali motmaennan ertebate siasiey babaian va bahaian ba dovale bigane az asasbe be kazzabi agheshtas vassalam
you1tube2009 3 years ago
I am so sorry! By mistake, I clicked thumbs-down while I meant to click thumbs-up!
Can You-Tube reverse and correct this?
minoojune 3 years ago
1. Amir Kabir died long before Bab was executed, there fore he could not have ordered the execution.
2. Baha'i Faith is recognized as an independent religion by all the democratic countries, therefore the worthless words of Khomeini are of no concern.
3. Khomeini's work was a bunch of lies which have gotten the bright and tallented persian people to their current political state which has lowered their status in the world because of the political stupidity of Ahmadinejad.
4. GET A LIFE
ramtinking 3 years ago
Every Iranian must respect all the religions and ideologies of Iran,
stop this fascist of Islam,
stop demonizing every buddy and mark your self only as the good one, because we know who you Islamist are.
You are worst then Devil.
Iranian always in history respected all religions, and when we change Iran back to zoroastrism we are going to follow Persian way of our nation, then we are going to build Iran once agene no matter our religion we build it together.
May Zartosht be our guide.
AzadehIran 3 years ago 5
@AzadehIran what if any of the new religions has some conflict
with the original ones? you must know?
shahinpar 1 year ago
@shahinpar :most religions are always in conflict with each other, close minded to others, say truth is only with them.
But the choice is with people, and they MUST BE FREE to chose what they want.
The only thing we must understand is the Government should be separated from any religion and be secular.
Religion is personal, something inside our harts, between us and GOD and doesn't belong to government.
IRAN WILL BE FREE AND WE HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO LIVE IN PEACE AND HARMONY WITH EACH OTHER.
AzadehIran 1 year ago
@AzadehIran Well, if you believe that there is only on truth in the world, then only the religions inline will stay together not the one opposing that way!
Religion is not personal my friend, you can see clearly in the holy literature, the laws of taxation, amre beh maroof and nahy az monkar,the advises they are all social! when they say "dont lie" is this personal? unless you take it as "dont lie to yourself"!!
shahinpar 1 year ago
@shahinpar
MY friend you mix religion with The way people think it is, holy literature's as you side is holy for one group of people not all the human being.
most of this laws are man made and can be broken or changed, you can see the difference between same religion in different culture.
people follow there hart, do as they learn and can change there meaning(for example convert).
But I think The law of Creator or God is universal and for all living things and won't change true time or space
AzadehIran 1 year ago
@AzadehIran Well, we agree that there is only one truth, right?
then I must say, there could be zillions of ways to reach that truth, unless
the way that clearly contradicts with the others in its principles and its approach!
shahinpar 1 year ago