Brussels Belgium Belgie Barst Protesters Arrested at Palais

[Synthiotics]

"It appears that this protest is related to a movement to split Belgium along various ethnic lines."

clueless to the bone...................

[supermoerke]

ja tegen ons durven die flikken het wel maar laat eens 10 marrokanen of turken voor et paleiseisen dat de boerka niet verboden mag worden dan zal je daar geen 1 flik zien. of mss toch wel om mee te doen met die alochtonen

want de politie doet het in zijn broek voor de islam

leve het vlaams belang en leve vlaanderen

BELGIE BARST

[JVVABFF]

Vlaamse Onafhankelijkheid!

[resi42]

Ils sont peut-être plus riche que nous mais n'ont aucune couilles lol. Alors vive la wallonnie ET la belgique. ( Je parle des independentistes et pas des flammands en générale. J'ai plein de potes flammands).

[kalefles]

Wow, at the right moment there. Wish I could film this. You're lucky. And it's not because I have a explicit stance in these matter, being from Belgium myself.

[arnout23]

At least that day the police was non-violent. Most of the time on the order of the mayor of Brussels they don't take kind on those kind of demonstrations

[f1r3dr3am]

Bande de connards!

[jesuisdejupiter]

ils sont prêts à abandonner leur causes quand des flics les poursuivent? ... Voilà la solution? haha ....

[TheKristofdevos]

vlaandere moet duidelijk splitsen van walonie. We worde rijk en gelukkig. Ksnap ni da er ng zo'n domme en naive mense bestaan die ni wille splitse. VB ownt

[TKRJ1]

@TheKristofdevos ik snap niet dat er zo'n domme mensen zijn als u :')

[erickooy]

Waarom worden deze mensen gearresteerd.

Als er moslimrellen zijn, dan is de politie te laf om integrijpen.

[MyDeroscha]

@erickooy Ze worden gearresteerd omdat ze betogen vlak voor het koninklijk paleis en dat is bij wet verboden. Waarom dat verboden is is me ook een raadsel. Waarschijnlijk willen ze dat heerschap in zijn ivoren toren afschermen van de realiteit in zijn landje.

[backspage]

deze week in de humo: "gaat de islam Europa innemen?" Hoe denkt men erover in Amerika, en raad is ze denke daar allemaal dat da ooit ga gebeure, en als da gebeurt weetk wel wie de slave zen zenne

[P1A1U1L1I1N1E1]

alle vlaams-belang mense zijn gwn dikke fascisten

[P1A1U1L1I1N1E1]

Ik haat vlaams belang!! Niemand met gezond verstand wil dat belgie splitst!

Je deteste vlaams belang! toute personne avec le bon sens ne veut pas que la Belgique divisée

[jodonalds]

oef, ik ben blij dat er toch nog mensen zijn die zo denken. Iedereen wil splitsen maar niemand die denk aan daarna, Vlaanderen zal rijk en gelukkig worden en ze leefden nog lang en ... Ja zal wel, inderdaad met een beetje gezond verstand weet je wel dat het NIET zo zal zijn. kan gewoon niet

[Krislechaud]

J espere qu ils ont ramassés ces sales flamingants de merde !!

[belgiumt]

ils font croire qu'ils ont des couilles mais devant les flics ils ferment leurs gueules ...

[brom001]

sales flamingants? Sans les flamands tu serais un clochard et tu n'aurais rien. PUTAIN, apparamment, nos voisins du sud sont plus bête que je pensais! je te jure que tu ne parles un seul mot néerlandais, idiot!

[Krislechaud]

Toi, t'es un malin, ca se voit tiens... Je parle des flamingants et non des flamands benet... Si t'as besoin de cours de français, n'hésite pas ;) Pour ce qui est du néerlandais, pas de soucis stoemme

[satanisback]

debiele

[djeckie17]

typische vlaams belangers altijd ma klage en nooit geen antwoorde

[Lackari]

Shitty Flaams Belang, u are terrorist <<

U run when police want you give a sanction.

[AmrasMetal]

hmm you seem to have problems with the language... it is "VLAAMS BELANG". And I'm not going to try correct you other mistakes.

Don't try to give comment on something you know nothing of if you can't even write without faults.

Vlaamse groeten

houzee

[Oscuro1987]

but he's right anyway

[Norengiv]

Its too easy to say that the flemish were opressed by the walloons,they both were opressed by the upper class which was french speaking,YES THE FLEMISH UPPER CLASS were speaking french too so gets your facts rights. I come from a working class family and in the 50s all children did speak walloon at school only to be punished for not speaking french so its not only the flemish who were oppressed. Every country in the world have rich and poor area, the rich helping the poorest part .

[rolle16]

you idiots!!! why this acting? jullie kunne et gwn ni verdrage da belgie suckt

[Nyeki1503]

To be honest, it's not so much the people who can't get along, it's the politicians.

When I go abroad and someone asks me wat nationality I have I could never imagine saying Flemish, I'll always keep saying I'm Belgian.

[Klifsnider]

Well youre an idiot, no western people is very different from eachother. We can get along with Americans, British, French, Dutch, Germans ... you name it. That doesn't mean we have to give them all money does it? Did you skip history class and 100 years of opression of the Flemings by the Walloons? And now we pay them money? For what? Opressing us? ^^

[Jacques8022]

French is a international language, and how much Englishmen or German speaks another language that their native tongue? Not much, I can say it to you. Obviously when one has a language like native tongue little spoken in the world, one is obliged to speak others.

[Norengiv]

Its funny this language complex with the flemish. French to them is evil when in fact like english its one of the internationally known language. Go to south america and you will find english and french school, never seen a dutch course. So, its kind of normal that the flemish know french more than the walloons dutch.

[Bazompora]

Sure, but we shouldn't let linguistic lazyness proliferate anymore. Though separatism won't solve the populistic policy in the south at all: it would just mean turning away from the issue and starting the same policy in the north.

Geef mij maar een land dat tegen interne problemen aankijkt, niet een laffe "natie" die zich enkel eruit kan terugtrekken.

[1987squirrel]

It is true that we are flooded with multi-cultural influences. Much to my regret, there is very little I can do to it. But we do have some great Flemish music & movies.

An identity is more than a language. It involves culture, ethnicity, attitude, values, and so on. Of course the perfect Flemish person won't exist. same goes for the perfect Walloon or the perfect American. I don;t see what you are trying to make here.

[JackpotImages]

To All (a note from the videographer): With respect and as an outsider, I am unfamiliar with much of the background information concerning this issue. I can tell that all sides are extremely passionate and I remain interested in hearing reasonable, respectful dialogue on the topic. Thanks for viewing and taking the time to comment.

[1987squirrel]

Well, it comes down to the Flemish who want to split the country, because they see no added value of it anymore. The walloons desperately want to keep belgium together, because they receive 12 billion euro's from the Flemish each year.

In the minds of the people, the country has already been split. Both regions have their own parliament and the Flemish people (and politicians) think Flemish, while the walloons think walloon. Brussels is the big problem. It is Flemish, but they speak French now.

[Jacques8022]

In the past Wallonia was richer, it is not for that we separated with Flemish..

[1987squirrel]

And when wallonia was richer and we were poor (which is indeed true), even then Flanders was still paying money to wallonia. This is a PROVEN historical fact.

Also, it is not my opinion. For example: Flanders wants a tax reduction for companies, so they can give their boosting economy more air, while wallonia wants to increase their taxes to pay for their health care and welfare. How can you unite both opinions, which are radical opposites of each other. It is NOT just an opinion, but reality.

[Jacques8022]

I don't know this fact.

If all that you say is true, I understand your point of view. But why not find a solution other than separatism. Even if the Flanders is a beautiful area and that people are for the majority some pleasant people.All the Walloons are not either as the separartists say, lazy and profiteurs. I think that it is an error to make general information like that.

[1987squirrel]

Go check your facts :-)

And sure, not all walloons are lazy and unemployed and not all Flemish are hard workers. But unemployment in wallonia is 1 of the highest in Europe, while Flanders is one of the lowest. So relatively, the statement stands.

Furthermore I don't think there is another solution form Flanders, next to claiming its independence. Unless all walloons suddenly agree with Flanders and cast their own downfall because our approach does not work for them? This would be stupid too.

[Painrunner]

@JackpotImages Actually the main problem is money and it is the reason why all negotiations are failing. Basicly everyone wants a fair share of the countries income but the flemish region is the only part with a positive cashflow whereas the walloons and brussels demand money without bringing anything usefull to the table in return. A large part of the flemish believe they are in effect working so that others can run away with what they've earned some going as far as feeling enslaved even.

[1987squirrel]

"I also criticize the Walloons who lives in Flanders and do not want to speak Flemish. It is a question of respect for the language of the region where you live."

So you agree the facilities are a joke and need to be removed asap?

"Don't lie please"

Maybe that has something to do with THE FLEMISH IDENTITY. I can speak french almost perfectly, but I will refuse to do it when I am in Flanders. And yes, I do see Brussels as an inherent part of Flanders! Founded Flemish and surrounded by Flemish!

[Jacques8022]

No, because to remove the facilities, it is really to divide the country in two. And the majority of people do not want it. It would be more intelligent to deal with truths problems of the country (Purchasing power, wages.)That the Community one that the majority of people make fun like their first shirt. It is my opinion.

[1987squirrel]

Poor Jacques, I see you really don't get it. Our independence is not a goal. It is a means to get to our goal: doing what is best for our people. Flanders and wallonia both have their problems, but they are so different, that it is impossible to come forth with a suitable solution. Therefore we need to split the country up and give power to the regions. So the regions can govern themselves and do what is best for their people.

[Jacques8022]

It's your opinion,not the mine sorry..

[Jacques8022]

In the cities with facilities, it is a problem, because there is sometimes more than 80% people who speak French. They do not have much occasion to speak Dutch. The solution for me would be to remove the French-speaking schools of the area. Their children would be automatically bilingual and later unilingual. But it is not for that it is necessary to separate the country in two !!!

[Jacques8022]

Look at Leterme for example, its dad is Walloon everyone know it. But he was in a Flemish school, and now one cannot say that it does not have the Flemish identity,no? I see it with my two daughters who never had the French-speaking itentity.

[Jacques8022]

With regard to the Flemish identity, and this I think that you will not like, I now see it with Flemish young people, with all the American films which they look at, they cannot make one sentence without putting any more for example some "oh my god", what the hell, or fu... you. Then where remains the identity it inside?

[LavishBeats]

omg omg omg

[Jacques8022]

"At least 80% of the Flemish people knows enough French to have a decent conversation"

In 1980 maybe but now surely not !

[Jacques8022]

Ik versta wel engels. Maar jouw ostentatief weigeren van Nederlands te spreken (tot hier toe dan), is voor mij een bewijs van de franstalige onbereidheid om Nederlands te leren. It's not criticize that ??????????

[1987squirrel]

Sorry, Dutch is our official language. Flemish is a mere dialect.

[Jacques8022]

It there nobody in Flanders which speaks Dutch, but an incredible number of dialects, which sometimes you do not even understand yourselves...Lol Een Volk...Mijn gaat ja !

[1987squirrel]

we do have numerous dialects, this is mainly because we were held under foreign reigns during the majority of the history (The french, the Spanish, the Austrians and the walloons). We've only know a true "standard Dutch" for about 60 years (belgium was completely french before that). So due to your fault, this has happened. And now you've got the guts to ridicule it?

Most people nowadays know standard Dutch and can speak it, but they recess to dialects in their home environment.

[Jacques8022]

Therefore, if I understand it is the fault of the Walloons if the limburgers speak their dialect...Lol...

[1987squirrel]

Surely yes. Statistics show that Flemish know enough french when they leave school at the age of 18. It is also an obliged course for the students. I think 80% is even a low estemation.

I do not criticize walloons who speak dutch. I criticize those that don't. I fail to see why this is intolerant and racist. I think you just try to show of with some fancy words, without knowing their true meaning!

If we were separated, we wouldn't need these language issues!

[Jacques8022]

I also criticize the Walloons who lives in Flanders and do not want to speak Flemish!

I also criticize the Walloons who lives in Flanders and do not want to speak Flemish. It is a question of respect for the language of the region where you live.

[Jacques8022]

There is less and less Flemish which speak French, I live in Flanders and I know the area well!!!!

Don't lie please !!!!!!!!

[1987squirrel]

Surely, every Flemish person will understand someone from Limburg when he talks. His accent might sound a bit wierd, yes. But the same thing happens when someone from Texas speaks with someone from NY. Or someone from Paris with someone from Nice, or... (I think you get my point)

[Jacques8022]

I think that you ever be in the Ardennes. I propose to you to go there once, it does not have there only the Flanders in the world. And there you will see that in Walloon country, the stores are in two languages and the Walloons speak to you in Flemish. If you do not believe go there!!!

[1987squirrel]

"I don't care I live in Flanders..."

Celà s'appelle un repli sur sois-même...

Well, we tried that in Brussels. And now you're chasing us out of OUR OWN CAPITAL (Yes, Brussels is the FLEMISH capital. The walloon parliament lies in Namur, so therefor that is their capital).

So you are saying we should try to annexate the Ardennes in the same way you are annexating Brussels and the surrounding regions?

[Jacques8022]

One does not annex what occurs in the same country..

[1987squirrel]

You should know that the Flemish separatists do not recognize belgium as a country. It is more of a cloak hanging over our states. A cloak that prevents us from developing. It should be removed as fast as possible.

And again, you live in Flanders, so you should communicate to me in Dutch. Unless you refuse to speak the language of the country you live in?

[Jacques8022]

Waarom jij zegt dat?Je verstaan geen Engels of wat?

Ik heb je zeg dat ik eerbiedig het Nederlands !

[1987squirrel]

Ik versta wel engels. Maar jouw ostentatief weigeren van Nederlands te spreken (tot hier toe dan), is voor mij een bewijs van de franstalige onbereidheid om Nederlands te leren.

[Jacques8022]

That is called racism and intolerance !!!!!!!

[1987squirrel]

So I am an intolerant racist because I want The official language of my country (Flemish) to be spoken in my country (Flanders)?

Welcome to the world of the crazy Walloon logics!

[Jacques8022]

No, because when a Walloon tries to speak Flemish you criticized him because he speak not perfectly, you are intolerant !!!!!!!!!

[1987squirrel]

First of all, I did not criticize your Dutch.

secondly, my french always gets criticized, so does that mean all french-speakers are intolerant? I think so. They are the ones that refuse to learn Dutch. At least 80% of the Flemish people knows enough French to have a decent conversation. How about do wallooons? Do you think they get to 10% that speaks Dutch? I highly doubt it.

So I guess the intolerance is way higher on your end. By your definition, more than 90% of the walloons are intolerant!

[Jacques8022]

There are much more Flemish who lives in Wallonia than you think. We all are mixed, therefore we are only one "volk" which speak different languages!!!! Only in 2006 more than 200.000 Flemish families moved in Wallonia because the life is less expensive...

To say the opposite is a lie !

[1987squirrel]

And there are Flemish who live in Holland, France and Australia. So what. At least when we go to a foreign country (Yes, walonia is NOT our country, Flanders) we adapt. We don;t do imperialistic politics and try to rob others from the land they rightfully own!!

[Jacques8022]

There are more and more Flemish who comes to Wallonia to live and much more than the countries which you have just said

[1987squirrel]

Ofcourse. Unemployment in wallonia is the highest in Europe. And still you guys receive an astonishing 12 BILLION EURO's each year from the Flemish. I'm an idiot for not going to wallonia, to just get money from the honest and hard-working people.

That's the highest amount of money transfer in history. Way higher than west- and east-Germany. And there is (only) about 6 million Flemish people to carry that burden.

You are just scared to lose your funds and to have to work for your own welfare!

[Jacques8022]

Tous nos problèmes sont issus de l'occupation française qui a modifié les frontières de nos provinces. Un anversois n'est pas flamand, il est brabançon. Un habitant de Hasselt n'est pas flamand, il est limbourgeois. Les tournaisiens et les lillois ne sont plus flamands. Il faut présenter les nationalistes flamands comme des collabos : non des allemands mais bien des jacobins français pour détruire les identités régionales. La "Flandre" d'aujourd'hui, c'est l'héritage de l'occupation française.

[Jacques8022]

The flamingants pollute the site with their comments of intolerance and rejection of the other, and they think that they are right....It is sad!

LEVE BELGIE!!!

[JackpotImages]

With respect and as an outsider: I have not been exposed to much of the background information concerning this issue. I can tell that all sides are extremely passionate, but would be interested in hearing reasonable dialogue on the topic. Thanks for viewing and taking the time to comment.

[krisse02]

VLAANDEREN ONAFHANKELIJK

[celovic]

houzee

[ShadyManga]

Actually,I find this video very funny indeed!

Personnally,I love Belgium as it is and I teach Dutch to very motivated French-speaking students who feel hurt when they hear our country is falling apart. I know for certain that those feelings are also shared by many Flemish guys,our friends and brothers! All this good will should not be damaged by a few neonazi ignoramuses who donnot run but fly in front of a real opposition!Just laugh at them and shout:Leve België!Vive la Belgique!

[JackpotImages]

Thank you for your perspective on this topic.

[MyDeroscha]

@ShadyManga Why is it that everytime some people love to see Flanders as a separate state in Europe the call them neonazi? Calling them neonazi is wrong. We love living with people from other countries an origin but we realize Belgium, the way it is now, is no good. So stop calling them neonazi and start to see what is realy wrong in this state.

[satanisback]

@MyDeroscha Je beseft toch dat Belgie opsplitsen een onmogelijke taak is en nooit gaat gebeuren? Maak van heel Belgie een federaler, tweetalig land en de meeste problemen zijn opgelost.

Al de mensen die klagen dat er te veel geld van Vlaanderen naar wallonie gaat willen splitsen terwijl wij -als land- het probleem bij de oorzaak moeten aanpakken en ons niet gewoon moeten willen afschermen ven het gevolg.

[ShadyManga]

Actually,I find this video very funny indeed!

Personnally,I love Belgium as it is and I teach Dutch to very motivated French-speaking students who feel hurt when they hear our country is falling apart. I know for certain that those feelings are also shared by many Flemish guys,our friends and brothers! All this good will should not be damaged by a few neonazi ignoramuses who donnot run but fly in front of a real opposition!Just laugh at them and shout:Leve België!Vive la Belgique!

[Poluxantis]

I will never shout vive la belgique! The structure is completely lost !

[ShadyManga]

Actually,I find this video very funny indeed!

Personnally,I love Belgium as it is and I teach Dutch to very motivated French-speaking students who feel hurt when they hear our country is falling apart. I know for certain that those feelings are also shared by many Flemish guys,our friends and brothers! All this good will should not be damaged by a few neonazi ignoramuses who donnot run but fly in front of a real opposition!Just laugh at them and shout:Leve België!Vive la Belgique!

[InternautBrabant]

yeah it is time this country gets devided

Walloon and flemish people need to go their own way. Walloon is more french and flemish is more dutch.

I love flanders

[JackpotImages]

Thanks for your feedback. I appreciate the input!

[JackpotImages]

I am unsure what your comment is - English please?

[BasVN]

He said: "Flanders independent! More and larger protests!"

[JackpotImages]

Thank you!

[defierevlaming]

vlaanderen onafhankelijk!

meer en grotere protesten!

[BasVN]

I took part in that action as a matter of fact. We protested against the fact that 35% of the Flemish votes were not represented at the bloody king's consultations concerning the state reform. To be precise those political parties which stand for Flemish independence. What a coincidence, eh.

Greetings from Flanders (hopefully soon independent),

BasVN

P.S. "België Barst!" means "Let Belgium burst!".

[JackpotImages]

Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate you taking the time to help me understand your perspective and the larger issue at hand. All the best to you in the New Year and I am hopeful that everyone will be represented in their country's political system.

[bitu79]

35%% of the flemish votes were not represented because those 35% vote were fascit votes...

Those people have been arrested because it is forbidden (in the law)to protest in front of the Palais Royal.

[1987squirrel]

@ bitu79: 35% of the Flemish people are fascists? Come on, this is the typical walloon argument. We want to be independant, so we are fascists? That's ridiculous.

Indeed, they got arrest for their FREEDOM OF SPEECH. This proves what a democracy this country really is.

The walloons have always suppressed real votes on the matter. Polls show between 40% and 90% of the Flemish want to become independant.

This first belgian prime minister said: "La belgique sera latine, ou elle ne sera pas!"

[Jacques8022]

The separatists is intolerant, yes it is true because they rejects all that are not like them. It is logical, but obviously that they will never accept it

[1987squirrel]

Let me put this clear:

* We reject the francophone royalty

* We reject the francophone imperialistic nature

* We reject the francophone unwillingness to adapt when they are in Flanders

* We reject the francophone unwillingness to grant us our freedom

* We reject their attitude, thinking their are our superiors

* We reject the 12 BILLION EURO'S of increasing yearly money transfers

* We reject their culture, as it is foreign to our native culture

* We reject their constant inaccurate accusations

[Jacques8022]

And why there are more and more Flemish who comes to live in Wallonia Maybe that they also have enough of people like you...

[1987squirrel]

Like I said, they go to live in wallonia to profit from the 12 BILLION ERUO's Flanders gives to them each year. Stop asking me the same question over and over again.

But let me ask you this. Should Dutch become the language in wallonia now, because they live there? And should Flemish politicians be able to get elected in the walloon areas now? Should the linguistic border mmove to the south now?

[Jacques8022]

Et la wallonie est de plus en plus flamande.Youpie

And Wallonia is more and more Flemish. Youpie!

[1987squirrel]

Well, you should be happy their are Flemish in your area. At least someone will be willing to work for their living!

[Jacques8022]

I don't care I live in Flanders...

[1987squirrel]

Speak Dutch, if you live in Flanders. That is our official language. You are living proof of the francophone unwillingness to adapt when they are in our country. Next thing you know, he will be demanding french public service in Flanders!

[Jacques8022]

I speak Dutch, and I never spoke French with my children, now they cannot even speak with their grandmother which speak only French. I respect the Flemish language and ik doe mijn best om te vlaams spreken zonder fouten...

[1987squirrel]

They why only speak french and english on youtube?

You feel to good to talk dutch?

Nederlands is een taald ie zich uitbraakt?

We've had enough of the walloons trying to humiliate us, while in fact, they are only fooling themselves.

[Jacques8022]

I surely do not want to humiliate somebody !!

And you know well that I already sent comments in Flemish. It is rather you who seeks to humiliate people...

[Stellasken]

Those people are Flemish (north of belgium). Belgium is like a marriage just before the divorce. Maybe its better when both parties can't agree with eachother to split it....

What you withnessed there is nothing yet. It has been worse and the number of protests keeps rising.

Something interesting to know is that belgium hasnt had a government for 190 days.

[JackpotImages]

Thanks for your comment and the information - we could tell there was some real tension between those involved and the police, but were unsure what was behind the protest.