Philippine Air Force S-211 jet vs twoUSAF A-10s dogfight

[shaider1982]

I hope we can get a discount for drones from General Atomics.

[M4A108]

A-10s dog fight? are you retarded?

Do you know the A-10 is ground attacker plane? not even a fighter or multirole.

And it's not even capable caring Air to air missile.

And yes your S211 is a trainer aircraft. The USA T-38 talon can out maneuvered S211.

[Ehmirmcr]

@M4A108 A-10 can carry an air to air missile dumbass. Why dont you research more? and by the way it is a joint exercises of the US and PH so theres nothing wrong with that.

[M4A108]

@Ehmirmcr Hey dumb ass the latest version A-10A can't carry Air to air missile, Wow you are so dumb fuck you are stupid shit.

Did you learn this from video game stupid noob.

[Ehmirmcr]

@M4A108 im not a video gamer prick, Im an Air Force personnel motherfucker ! Those A-10's you can see in the video can carry two Aim-9 Sidewinder Air to Air missiles. I'm a ground crew motherfucker so i can see the payload carried by those A-10's. Why dont you try to research dude?

[M4A108]

@Ehmirmcr just because i fly those things of yours grease monkey.

[Ehmirmcr]

@M4A108 HAHA. Really? Why don't you know that it carries sidewinders? HAHAHA. FAKE PILOT PRICK. All variants of A-10 carries sidewinders for self defense dumbass.

[shaider1982]

@Ehmirmcr Just because the A-10 can carry AIM-9's doesn't mean it is a jet fighter. True, it is maneuverable but it doesn't have the thrust to weight ratio of something like a F-16.

[Ehmirmcr]

@shaider1982 I know. did i say that it is like the f16? Im just telling the guy that A-10's can carry sidewinders. and in this video? S211 is only a trainer plane. so i think there is no problem in matching these two planes in a dogfight. and in fact. US is the one who suggested these dogfight exercise. and the guy below. do you believe that he is a pilot? by the way, I work in the PH air force so i knew all of this stuff.

[shaider1982]

@Ehmirmcr Ok on the A-10 account. BTW, I thought the S-211 was modified to carry bombs. Also, is it true that only 2 C-130's are operational in the PAF?

[Ehmirmcr]

@shaider1982 as of now. Only 1 C-130 is operational. but 2 C-130's are coming. One being refurbished in Clark and one from the US. And yes. Some s211's were modified to carry bombs. They call it AS-211 Warriors. Only a few of them are modified.

[shaider1982]

@Ehmirmcr Nga pala, kung may gustong magbenta ng drones sa PAF, sino unang tatawagan?

[Ehmirmcr]

@shaider1982 kung may magoffer man. Di interesado PAF sa mga drones. Magastos ang drones. Tpos sisirain mo lang din. And wala pa nman tayong capable fighters para magtraining with drones.

[razorsharpview9090]

hoy magkacrash ka na!

[sniper6309]

for example what they called MAC3 G-DIVE we can do dat in simulator but in actual maneuvers only chosen pilots do dat most of it are only in the naval air group and blue diamond pilots before. like us on the automated ship.....we practice simulation from the company first to familiarized with the system being operated before relieving the personnel of their post......maybe you have to try the actual one before expressing oneself if it's easy to do or not.....just a suggestion to all.......

[sniper6309]

there's a big difference between simulation and actual operations as I've been proven dat already but in different field of technology.......actual sitauations there's a heart pounding pressure, changing of pulse in every ways......most affected by decision makings to do or not to do......outside environments counter acts alots....that's why don't compares simulation to actual operation.....simulation only makes operators to famaliarize and comfortable with the system being operated...actual not

[nakazatoGTR]

real pilots train in simulators too you know. even shuttle landings for astronauts, ship docking, fire control tank maneuvers. dont be too hard on gamers. there are even weapons systems that has Playstation-like controllers.

[EXmachbuster]

@nakazatoGTR

I am a gamer too and fly real simulators and PC simulators. I agree with you, i was just explaining that there is something into it that is not present in real air combat such as the real feel of the "G", GLOC and limitation of the aircraft especially if you are fighting a two element bandit. You may watch the other videos uploaded and you may read both of our posts and this will clear things up.

[nakazatoGTR]

@EXmachbuster G-loc is also simulated though in pc games. and by learning some stuff may natutunan din ako. of course after a simple dogfight na tatagal lang ng 5 mins eh hihingalin at papagurin ang kahit sinong tao.

for me kahit anung PC game sim, i strain perfect the basic, landing, take off mark1 EB navigation(walang gamitan ng gps/ins, map at mata lang). which actually has no g based physical strain.

if i end up in the military of course, dun ko hahasain physcality at dogfight skills diba?

[EXmachbuster]

@nakazatoGTR

yes kaso screen lang mag black out sa G-LOC pero in real life pag black out and gray out real talaga. Sa sim pag "0" g manuever parang wala lang pero nakakasuka na yun lalo na pag negative g. Well its nice to play on the sim, pero just imagine nasa elevator ka or ferris wheel mararamdaman mo G. Pag sa real aircombat at i try mo i sustain khit 4 to 5 gs for a few seconds ibang usapan na yun. Of course pag mag military pilot ka you will be train lalo na pag sa fighters ka ma assign.

[nakazatoGTR]

@EXmachbuster of course. all your points are trully correct. sims are there to save money for real ops, decrease risk of loss of hardware, and experimentation of application of theoretical part of air combat maneuvering.

g-resistance may also be built up on the pilot..

[morology012]

Stupid AccordGTR.. "Video Simulator games".. hahahaha. funny. There's more into it boy.:))

[The1977warren]

bwahahaha pinagbibigyan lang kayo nyan, pero sa actual combat lasoglasog na kayo pag ginamit sa inyo ang baril nyang a-10

[boxinboxout1]

The Philippines Air Force should bring back The Blue Diamonds Team

[23black061]

so sir, kung di nakayanan nung front pilot yung sustained G, sino yung nagtakeover?! :O

[07johngabz]

parang nag a ace combat sila

[koushinproductions]

Just to make it clear, A-10 Warthogs are not fighter planes, they are close ground support aerial vehicles, they are relatively slow for accurate ground support reasons. If an A-10 can out speed and out maneuver our planes, should we really need to modernize our airforce? wait include the navy too..

[AccordGTR]

Man, you guys should train in video simulator games and read books about dogfighting - that is not the way to dogfight! The A-10 will out-turn you so you need to go vertical instead of fighting horizontally. When turning with a slower opponent, use "lag pursuit" method by keeping your airspeed high and turning using a wider arch on his outside, wait till he bleeds off speed, then attack. It's easy if you know how but fatal if you don't.

[EXmachbuster]

@AccordGTR

It's not that easy, you must know understand energy maneuverability and the effects of G on the body and the aircraft itself. Everything has limitation. You stick on your video games and mind you we read books. There are unwritten things and experiences during actual air combat that is not written that is why tactics are being updated. You know lag pursuit but please research on corner velocity and best fighting speed. In real world, it is very different. LOL!

[AccordGTR]

@EXmachbuster whatever, you cannot change the Laws Of Physics or human anotomy! You are not God. hahaha Don't you know the Americans in the 1960's learned from reading books of the great German Aces of WW1, like Boelke? Unwritten laws my ass. That's typical hard-headed attitude thinking you are special and are different. But you are an idiot to try to re-invent the wheel. Yes energy maneuverability applies but I see you turning in the horizontal with an A-10 till you bleed energy. Thats stupid

[EXmachbuster]

@AccordGTR

Stupidity would make a difference and idiots do succeed. Yeah whatever. Stick with your video games because you will never know and feel the essence of real air combat.

[engeng1234]

Aermacchi S-211, italian made training jet, up to +6g at -3g, 360 knots, 414 mph maximum speed. 25 ang meron tayo pero 6 lang ang airworthy, da rest grounded dahil sa accidents. dito lang kasi inassemble yung mga eroplano, dineliver sa tin ng baklas (parang motorsiklo na carnap), but its one of most respected training plane in european countries. Ang a-10 warthog, single seat lang, purely for ground attack and support aircraft, baboy na baboy ang dating. pag a-10 dumale sa yo, para kang binaboy.

[kissmeukiss22]

bilis tlga nga mga eroplanong galing sa usa

[markvinas31]

Sobrang hirap pala talaga mapunta sa six o'clock ng kalaban. nakakahilo in reality.

[betarayvil]

anong jet ito S-211 or A-10?

[patrixcasila15]

@betarayvil s211

[chimoy1]

whew.. na pass out ang student pilot >_< ilang Gs ba nagagawa ng s-211? the seem rin ba sa Gs na nagagawa ng ov-10 like dun sa film ni ed lingao?

[winterheartz012]

@chimoy1 damn!!! hahahah kala ko nagbibiro ka na may nagpass out.

[chimoy1]

@winterheartz012 whahaha inde ha.. review mo ung vid at saka nasa vid info rin naka lagay..