Next of your comments = lack of humor. Of course there is reasonable faith and unreasonable faith. What you failed to understand is you're too stupid to understand that religions are not only about the bad faith and making people becoming zombies.
Open your eyes : you're stuck in a stupid conception of the world and you soil semantics with one-sided reasonings.
@Informatisse see? i knew you couldnt resist lol. because ive come across your type before =) your effeorts to convince me have fallen way short. name calling doesnt contribute to a debate my friend. and you're obviously getting mad... dont get mad bro, dont get mad.. ppl only get mad if they feel like theyre losing control. oh, and i wasnt referring to your language skills (or lack of), its your argument that lacks. so no need to be racist etc either =) like i said, no need to get mad bro..
@123perrin Rofl now you say I'm getting mad to avoid discussing seriously. And what is "name calling", I don't understand this expression (no translation).
And yeah I'm losing control : no need for that to lack arguments, just to discuss with someone who don't want to use his brain and understand the purpose of the debate and the quality of people argumentation.
I could lack control in face of a dumb who don't want to admit that fire burns the skin...
@Informatisse dude... just because you like to use 'flowery' language, it doesnt make you intelligent. and just because someone doesnt use it, it doesnt show a lack of intelligence. even you would have to admit that. so once again ill say to you, ur argument/points are fail. they leave no impression. dont take it personally. if u get mad because someone disagrees with you, dont debate on a public forum. simple. =)
@123perrin Dude, you didn't counter my arguments succesfully. My "flowery" language has nothing to do with that. I don't expect you use flowery language neither attempted to use some (wtf are you talking about? xD).
Once again : YOU failed. If I disagree with people I don't run way, wtf do you think? ><
@Informatisse why are you asking what 'name calling' is? seriously. you say im lacking in intelligence, and you're..'way up there'.. but u cant even work out what that means. O.o ok, ill spell it out for you.. (lol) 'name calling' is what you have been doing - calling someone derogitory names (usually when you get mad) like quote; 'dumb, idiot, pathetic, stupid'.. these things you have said. trying to win a debate while calling your opposition these things only makes u seem stupid dumb etc
@123perrin I ask what is name calling because I'm not english, and there is not translation for it. Don't get mad, but you're stupid if you didn't understand this.
And by the way, insulting was the strategy of your fellow named guahould. Why didn't you say to him "stop name calling"?
And what's the purpose of avoiding words like "idiots, dumb, etc", if I'm arguing while using this words?
What's the purpose, if not trying to avoid to debate around those arguments xD.
@Informatisse ok... O.o now you've lost me. im 'busted' huh? and whats this thing about 'guahould'? ah nvm, its plain to see your one of those ppl that take themselves way too seriously, has a superiority complex, and would never even entertain the thought of being wrong. ever. so im letting this convo go. you make no sense, both in ur language skills, and the points you make. im going to let you ramble on now, with no reply from me. enjoy it. u sir, are a goose. have a nice life. =)
I laughed at the other video of ArrogantAtheist where we see him and his girl, sitting in royal armchairs, with great aircuts and so selfish postures.
Damn, I nearly scream while seing those freaks, they remember me exactly what televangelists are. This is insane how trying to be smart by being an atheist can make you dumb.
There is no other field of human thought that still holds to thinking as old as religious thought. Science has progressed, math, archeology, philosophy, everything except religious belief. That's frightening to me.
@Kaalec what about political science? Plato and Aristotle are still major influences in today's thinking on that subject....not that I disagree with your thought I'm just bored and playing devil's advocate. :P
@Mortonc3 Yes, they are still influential but there has been much written in the subject since them, much of which disagree with them. Even a quick scan of The Republic reveals that parts of it are outdated. Their writings are not held as inviolate as religious dogma is. In religion, any dissent is met with violence (the Inquisition) or exile (excommunication). It is the only field in which the basic tenets be elaborated upon but not seriously questioned. This is why it is so very dangerous.
I am atheist, or a naturalist I suppose. Yet, I think it would be arguable that faith/belief is a necessary condition for certainty. One must be able to trust either in full or in part the source of their information. In many cases in our lives we are in situations in which the information is not immediately verifiable and so faith be held in our sources. I know I suck at trying to be smart but I hope I got my point across enough to end the debate that faith is unreasonable. =D
@Mortonc3 no sorry. faith is believing in something u DONT know is there/true. if i told you optimus prime was standing just around the corner, without any form of proof, and said 'have faith, hes really there'. would u believe it? no.. faith is just a soft, plush sounding word for accepting/believing in something that someone else has said was true. taking it at face value without really thinking it out. a harsher word would be gullability. im not trying to be offensive here, just honest.
@123perrin You should read up on skepticism and cognition I think. You should also consider your approach to an argument, you kind of sound like an asshole.
@Mortonc3 wow, see what happens? it always does. someone has their beliefs challenged, and they refer to name calling, and derogitory comments. lol, nice comeback mate, nice comeback ;)
anyway, you conviently failed to answer the qstion. i might sound like an asshole - to you, but you sound like a hypocrit.
and you qstion my cognative thinking? your trying to make a case that 'faith' is not unreasonable... sorry, but thats like 2 peices of a puzzle that just dont go together.
@123perrin You asked no question. As I pointed out in my last post, it is your approach and your tone. Learn to approach people with respect and you will be called an asshole less often. You say it always happens, maybe you should think about the most common denominator in those situations...
Also you should reread what I said. You should read up on the science of cognition and you'll learn that certainty is for the most part illusion.
@Mortonc3 once again, u fail to answer the qstion . good avoidance tactics, but not that good lol. and i dont need to approach YOU with any type of respect. remember u called me names. i said i wasnt being offensive, just honest. if u cant handle upfront and honest qstions, get off a public forum. if ur going to try and come across all albert einstein on me, try and answer the qstion, not just avoid it. u sound like a hypocrit.
@123perrin not trying to be offensive here, but I think you might want to get checked for autism spectrum disorder because you don't seem to understand basic connotations and I can see it will cause you much undue social conflict such as ours if you don't seek professional help. Just being honest.
@Mortonc3 rofl. can you do ANYTHING other than call ppl names, try to appear intelligent and seem like you know a person when u obviously dont? so whats ur problem mate? i asked you a qstion, and u started with the name calling. so i would say u have an inferiority complex. dont try to come across as some all knowing all powerful guru dude. get out of ur mums basement once in a while, learn some social skills. dont just name call or suggest ppl are mentally ill when ur qstioned lol.
@Mortonc3 you need to get off the pc... get a gf..get out and see the world. too much time on the pc can give one an inflated opinion of ones intelligence. lol @ you trying to sound like a philosopher xD u sir, are a goose. u have won no argument with me, proven only one thing - that u r a goose - and i am no longer going to waste my time with someone who's opinion of themselves is set way, way too high. ill let you have the last reply to this, u wont be able to resist im sure. =)
@123perrin ah, I guess in a round about and elementary way you asked a question which is basically a straw man. Your absurd example has no place in a reasonable and respectful debate.
@123perrin I'm going to end your arrogant illusions. There is some examples where faith is reasonnable. Firts about probabilities : you believe this could be nearly impossible that there is no life elsewhere than Earth. But this is not really faith. Which brings me to the second example : when you think that something hugely difficult like "eradicating silliness from the surface of the Earth" is possible, because you understand that life gave you the ability to comprehend how.
@Informatisse ok..im still waiting for u to 'end my arrogant illusions'. what you have said makes absolutely no sense. try speaking in plain english for a start. perhaps consult a dictionary once in a while..ok im giving you a cpl of comments, even though you'll bombard me with non sensical bullshit in return. not all faith is unreasonable. example; i have faith that one day, you and i will die. now thats not unreasonable is it? next comment = unreasonable
@Informatisse ... ok unreasonable faith; i have faith, that something ive never seen, heard, touched or spoken to (in real life) is there. my only idea that that this being is there, is because another person has told me it is. that same person has told me to read a book that is full of contradictions, but to follow it, and when i die, this being will pull me up to the clouds, where i will live forever. if i dont follow it, ill get sent so a really hot place..and burn forever. cmon dude.. O.o
@123perrin You have proof of something someone told to you? You are an idiot. I have faith about life elsewhere in the universe because of the high probability that it is true. I have faith that we can eradicate silliness from Earth because I understand how.
YOU are the idiot, I AM the reasonable person. OVER.
@123perrin And if you're not happy with my fuking english skill, just speak french and I'll be ok to use the same pathetic strategy consisting to tell you : "go learn my language, you're not good enough and so your argumentation is illogical".
Proof of illogical thinking and bad skill in a foreign language?
@123perrin So here we go. I wouldn't believe you for many reasons, least of all is the idea that I don't need faith to have certainty in many things. The primary reason would be that I have previous knowledge of OP. There I answered your question. Now I want to know what that question proves or disproves in relation to the concept of faith being necessary for certainty?
@Mortonc3 By definition, faith is unreasonable. The problem with religious faith is that it will not change. Yes, we have faith in science – until new evidence disproves current thought. For example, it was once thought that the sun revolved around the earth and that was the accepted "truth". Then when evidence was shown that the earth actually orbits the sun, the accepted truth changed to reflect the new evidence. NOTHING changes religious thought even 5000 year old religious thought.
@Kaalec I speak of a more fundamental faith. There are thousands of examples of a faith or belief being necessary for certainty. Did you personally research all the information you have "learned" through your life? It is not possible to answer yes. From text book authors to your parents to your own cognitive processes, there are situations in which you cannot know the "truth." There is an entire branch of philosophy devoted to this idea, skepticism.
@Mortonc3 I understand the context in which you are positing your comments and I agree with you. But there is still a difference, and I am skeptic. The difference is that much of what I know can be proven – the evidence exists even if I haven't seen it. However, with religious faith, there is no empirical proof of the existence of god. This is blind faith that will never be illuminated by the light of truth, it will only survive in the darkness of superstition
@Kaalec Yes I agree blind faith is much worse than the sort I am speaking of, but at the same time I think that the two forms share the same basic purpose in human cognition. Everyone just needs to make a leap here and there every now and then just to stay sane....those who use it to latch onto theism just need it to stay sane for a different reason than we do...something like that :P
And last but not least : trying to be cool by using cool music and mocking others simply doesn't work.
Just admit that metaphysic is a normal brain activity of people asking questions and thinking about the limit of science as an ultimate tool. After, you could mock those religious assholes that you deny to immitate.
Many people that are atheist come to that thought without invoking their brain too. That's why I usually think pseudo-arguments from atheist are beliefs.
I can't lay hands on this stupid video where an arrogant guy try to demonstrate that crap during a conference. I was flabbergasted to see a bunch of noob applausing him and whistling xD
lets all try and sound smart and post really long words and complex sentences without actually making a point, or becoming so bogged down in making ourselves sound awesome that our ranting serves nothing other than to make pointless definitions and explanations of stuff no one cares about and didnt need a 5 paragraph post on yayayayayay
I wonder why people get such satisfaction from hurling abusive comments at each other. Ad hominem attacks are logical fallacies and have no objective truth value. I guess to achieve some feeling of superiority or perhaps to help convince ourselves of something we claim to already believe. I suppose someone will call me a poo poo head for offering these musings.
@jwlthe4th Are you kidding? Insulting other people anonymously is the ultimate couch potato pastime! There is nothing people love more than to cause others to suffer for their amusement. That is the greatest lesson that the internet has to teach us.
@DarthRandall some people might try to kick start that little section of their brain that is allowing the fantasy filled beliefs control their dumb asses!! how can anyone watch the way some of the goo heads talk and actually try to imply that they are acting intelligently ?? WOW!!! listen for Ray Comfort for just five minutes and try tell me that guy has a fully funtional brain ....
@Informatisse What is there to understand?? Ray Comfort is perfect example ,, his retarded rants are the same as any I hear every time a thumper tries to push their feelings.. It is like I`m talking with someone with the inability to think for themselves at all .. and not just sometimes,, every one that has ever said shockingly to me ,, WHAT ?? YOU DON`T BELIEVE IN GOD?? then they proceed with sounding absolutely fkn retarded ... If that hurts your feelings , sorry but it is what it is ..
@guahould You seem to be in the same state that your fellows : stuck on the fight against televangelists. That's good, but, can you understand that the entiere world is not stuck there and can have a reasonnable point of view about religions without constantly lacking of honesty?
You are the guys who try to be intelligent, you are the guy who try to make cool video and have dozens of mimics to make you smarter at screen. Seriously, get your hand off your dick.
@guahould And again : using Ray Comfort or those other crooks as your central argument and central motivation for your crusade is pathetic. In fact, this seems to be the only reason to live for skeptics, letting them make the biggest mystake of all the time : confusing the quest against scams, and the respectfull exploration of mind questions.
First, it's spelled "IDEOLOGY". And obviously, it's not a typo because you spelled it the same way TWICE.
If you can't spell the word, no wonder you don't UNDERSTAND the meaning of the word.
Secondly, afairyism (non-belief in fairies) would, by definition, be an ideology. WHY? It is a belief that shapes the way a person thinks, acts, and understands the world. Fairies don't exist - hence they think, act and understand the world accordingly.
Thanks for the invite! I got my Big Bang Blaster Mk 2. Actually, I am into that quantum multi-dimentional stuff and humans that had wars on Mars long ago with robots. Oh, bad aliens are living inside the earth for another war soon.
Did you ever think that maybe Us that actually Know The Christ does Not care what atheist think. The reason you can Not see The Christ Is because you are a stupid fool how many time do I have to say that?
You atheists are stupid. I use god to kill you. you just wait till Christ the Redeemer gets here on his unicorn/pegasus chariot, and my father, Lord Satan, comes to burn you all to a crisp.
I understand that the term "atheism" denotes "non-belief in god" and semantically covers agnosticism and anti-theism".
But, semantics aside, has the SOCIAL MOVEMENT called "Atheism" become a religion in and of itself?
"RELIGION (noun): a set of strongly-held beliefs, values, and attitudes that somebody lives by"
It has a set of strict beliefs (no god/gods) and values (unshakeable faith in the scientific method, celebration of free thought, etc) and attitudes (contempt for theism and theists).
@Hammersley1967 No it hasn't. The only, I repeat, only reason that Atheism is ever called a religion is only to level the playing field when being compared to other religion.
There shouldn't even be a word for no believing in god. Absence of belief does not denote an ideology.
It's the same reason we don't have a term for those who don't believe in astrology or homeopathy.
@Hammersley1967 All your effort is wasted. If whatever the fuck you believed in was so true and good you'd be trying to tell me about it instead of trying to call atheism a religion.
Seriously, why spend all this effort arguing a point your never going to win on youtube.
Rejection of a religion is NOT a religion.
There are thousands of religions you don't believe in. Are you in a separate religion for each of those?
"Rejection of a religion is NOT a religion. There are thousands of religions you don't believe in. Are you in a separate religion for each of those?"
And again your comprehension and intellectual paucity is absent...
If I define myself and govern my life in opposition to these religions, then yes, my "non-belief" in these religions, and more importantly HOW I utilise these beliefs in my life, necessarily DEFINES that belief system as a religion...
"I like how you causally didn't acknowledge how wrong you were about "homeopathist" not being a word."
That's it? That's your "argument"? That "homeopathist" is a word?
And I just LOVE the way you completely ignore the annihilation of your argument when I stated:
"If there were a need for these terms to be regularly expressed (because a social movement arose that defined itself in opposition to homeopathy or astrology) then these words would enter the vernacular"
@Hammersley1967 Last word before you are blocked because you're not worth anymore time.
If there is a god or entity sufficiently advanced enough to be considered a god, there is no chance he's like the god's of the Abrahamic religions.
You seriously believe an omniscient being capable of creating everything that has ever existed cares what we eat or who we have sex with and how? You're the problem with the planet, You hold us back from our true potential with your fairy tales. Bye.
"If there is a god or entity sufficiently advanced enough to be considered a god, there is no chance he's like the god's of the Abrahamic religions."
And there we have your belief laden IDEOLOGY (indeed religious belief)...
Unlike you (who is an ideologically driven, religious anti-theist), I am an atheist...
I have no opinion on these matters because there is simply not enough evidence to logically hold an opinion...
You habour beliefs that cannot be empirically supported....
@Hammersley1967 You are a complete moron. Atheism is NOT an ideaology...it is a response to theism, nothing more. Do you consider "afairyism" an "idealogy"? Atheism is not a belief system, it is exactly the opposite.
"I have no opinion on these matters because there is simply not enough evidence to logically hold an opinion..." Then you're an idiot with no idea of the issues whatsoever.
One born every minute? Indeed...and it would seem to be you.
Yes you imbecile... You have no idea what "ideology" means do you? Let me help you out:
IDEOLOGY (noun): "a set of beliefs, values, and opinions that shapes the way a person or a group such as a social class thinks, acts, and understands the world"
So are you saying that "atheism" (belief in the non-existence of god) is not a belief? Is value neutral? Has no bearing on how the atheist understands the world?
" 'I have no opinion on these matters because there is simply not enough evidence to logically hold an opinion.' Then you're an idiot with no idea of the issues whatsoever."
You must have been born the minute after the other moron.
Having no opinion on the existence of god due to lack of evidence IS AN IDEOLOGY.
A pattern of ideas that leads to a conclusion and world view.
That the existence of god is uncertain, and the world may or may not be governed or created by a god.
@Hammersley1967 "An ideology is a set of ideas that constitutes one's goals, expectations, and actions" Atheism does not fit this definition, dear. Does not believing in the Loch Ness Monster constitute a goal, expectation or action? As I tried to explain before (which you appear to be too stupid to understand) - atheism is nothing more than a response to theism. Nobody bases their life around stuff they don't believe in. Cretin.
"An ideology is a set of ideas that constitutes one's goals, expectations, and actions"
Nice perversion of the definition but no cigar sweety pie...
The Encarta English Dictionary (2011) defines IDEOLOGY as "a set of beliefs, values, and opinions that shapes the way a person or a group such as a social class thinks, acts, and understands the world"
And yes, atheism, agnosticism, and anti-theism all fit that definition...
@Hammersley1967 You are an unpleasant little person, aren't you? I got the definition from Wiki, but it means the same as the dictionary definition you've given. IDEOLOGIES (you are quite right, I spelt it wrong) are a "set of beliefs...." Shall I say that again in case you missed it...."A set of beliefs......" What your suggesting is that your IDEOLOGY is massive beyond comprehension because it includes everything (trillions of things) that you don't believe.
@Hammersley1967 You can mess with definitions as much as you like, but you are absolutely wrong. 100%. And what's with all the childish ranting? Grow up. You're making a fool of yourself.
Yes it is... It is a pattern of ideas that support the superordinate concept that homeopathy is ineffective - based on "lack of evidence", "paucity of theoretical grounding", etc...
A number of reasons and ideas leading to a logical conclusion... IDEOLOGY...
"It's the same reason we don't have a term for those who don't believe in astrology or homeopathy. Ahomeopathist? Non-astrologer?"
Actually, "non-astrologer" IS a word. "Ahomeopathist" is NOT a word because "homeopathist" is not a word. But "non-homeopath" IS a word.
If there were a need for these terms to be regularly expressed (because a social movement [like atheism] arose that defined itself in opposition to homeopathy or astrology) then these words would enter the vernacular.
@Hammersley1967 Homeopathist is a word you idiot. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you didn't do even a rudimentary amount of research since you are arguing for atheism as a religion.
Seriously this is whats wrong with people like you. You spout off things as fact and twist words and meaning while being massively ill informed.
"Homeopathist is a word you idiot. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you didn't do even a rudimentary amount of research since you are arguing for atheism as a religion."
Ah! The ad hom attack... The last bastion of the cornered...
I notice that there is no attention to my questions?
Why should there be no word for "lack of belief"?
And how is the atheist position NOT an ideology?
Got any answers or just more vitriolic venom to camouflage your vacuum of self-reflection?
"You spout off things as fact and twist words and meaning while being massively ill informed."
Like what?
My contention that: "If there were a need for these terms to be regularly expressed (because a social movement [like atheism] arose that defined itself in opposition to homeopathy or astrology) then these words would enter the vernacular."
Is that ill-informed? When a concept or phenomenon requires expression, human beings will coin a term to express it?
Lately I've heard the nuanced qualifier "Neo-" prefixed to Atheism as if to imply some idea of resurgence that spawned from a period of quiescence.Hardly.Atheists in an Information Age are merely more self-explored as our legions multiply.
Hey dude, correct the misspelling in your comment before you get a bunch of atheists on our asses. You said he "learned" me to pray for my enemies, and not hate them.
Hahahaha, he should have "learned" you english first :)... and (to cut the discussion short) I'm not english either, and I only speak 4 languages, but I "learned" them well :)
Why would this comment be a game changer for people that are out there that obviously aren't interested in your religion? You respect my freedom to believe whatever I like, and I'll respect yours. I'm glad you're happy with what you believe, but please understand this. I'm just as happy -- if not happier by not subscribing to a ridiculous belief system, network of friends, political movement etc.
-Did he also "learn" you it's okay to beat your slaves if they live more than a day? Did he "learn" you that rabbits chew their cud? Did he "learn" you to practice polygamy, rape, and genocide, to name a few? Before you preach your religion to us(And yes, it is a religion. Deal with it), maybe you should try reading the Old Testament. You'll find it isn't as "loving" as you might think.
its kool to be an athiest, and yeah, religious ppl are just being friken ignorant to us, i believe theres something else instead of god, but just dont go to other ppl and say "christian sucks!" cuz really, your just causing a riot
@Dan88s the notion that something created the universe is unprovable. which means it cant be proven or disproven. atheism is by definition a "faith" as it is believing something without certain proof. if you want to be "smart" and take a scientific approach you should be agnostic. whats funnier than seeing people have faith, is seeing people have faith that the faithful people are faithless.
yeah, i do know that faith is just a silly thing really, but tellin ppl around our feelings of religion is just uneccasary, no i dont wanna be agnostic, not my thing bro. dont want to cause a riot cuz of religion.
Agnostic is a very odd term. This is because a lot of Atheists aren't, by literal definition, atheists. It's more of a 'I think there is no God. But, I could be wrong' sort of deal. It's come to be the meaning of Atheism for most. For me and my fellow atheists and friends.
atheism is the lack of belief in a god, most atheist are atheist by definition. if your an agnostic atheist, it means you don't believe a god exist, but you don't know for sure. theres nothing wrong with that. there are those that say its impossible to know anything for sure, which is really where the agnostics come in. the alternative would be a gnostic atheist, which means not only do you not have a belief in a god, but you know for certain that none exist.
You could say believing in gravity require some small amount of "faith".
And while science must remain completely Agnostic, I am not going to BELIEVE (key word) in something's existence in which there is zero evidence for. Like Santa Claus, or God. Agnostic Atheism is the Default position, until proven otherwise.
I agree, most "religious" people are a bit idiotic.
But don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
I understand the Atheist's frustration with the "Christian" community. And trust me, I share the same frustration, even though I believe in God.
Religion has become an institute of the state, and has divorced it's connection with God's morals, deciding instead to pick and choose what they will enforce, and what they will not enforce.
There are very few christians I know that respect my opinion on the world and stopped trying to convince me of an invisible man up in the sky.I shut up about my opinion and they shut up about theirs.But many christians also try to convince me that if I don't conver that I will burn in hell and that is the exact reason why I hate religious people.Because they can't keep their religion to themselves.
I would turn out to be dumb to believe only something I am told to.While you believe in a something you read from a stupid book.Why wouldn't Zeus,Jupiter,Ra,Amaterasu or Allah exist.
Like I would ever repent.And what makes you think that what's written in the bible is true.Besides even if god did exist he wouldn't accept some foul mouthed idiot in his "heaven".
would say that you are a low life pathetic person who has no future unless in drugs and other stufff like that.You can't find hapiness anywhere but a book called the bible.What was that you said?
so when u are suckin satans cock in hell will u wish u had belived. maybe not cuz it is a FACT that 95% of athiest are gay. well good luck with that big band thing . not talking about the night u spent in jail . ha ha ha ha ha ha
I wouldn't know. but when there is a place for athiests to "congregate" and an opportunist willing to extract money from the pockets of like minded individuals the religious concept is the same."Hey, someone thinks what I think I will join them and all they want is some money to spread the word" There is a sheeple born every minute.
One thing you learn caring for old people is you want to be prepared to care for yourself when you are old. Once you get unable to care for yourself, the parasites swarm around you & start saying, Whatever I am doing for you is good for you. Denying you the right to drink cod liver oil, take 2 grams of vitamin C, because it is, not medically approved by the AMA.
Self ownership. You better be prepared to care for your own medical needs,
hahaha
jarredkh 8 months ago
Pretty fuckin funny dude.
sstan1337 10 months ago
''holy video's'' Batman! Interesting how many want to spend time arguing or insulting someone who don't share the same belief's as they do.lol
spiritwolfbro 10 months ago
@spiritwolfbro Notice how I came here without insulting and how those guys start to insult me. Please scroll the page. Please.
Informatisse 10 months ago
Next of your comments = lack of humor. Of course there is reasonable faith and unreasonable faith. What you failed to understand is you're too stupid to understand that religions are not only about the bad faith and making people becoming zombies.
Open your eyes : you're stuck in a stupid conception of the world and you soil semantics with one-sided reasonings.
Informatisse 10 months ago
@Informatisse see? i knew you couldnt resist lol. because ive come across your type before =) your effeorts to convince me have fallen way short. name calling doesnt contribute to a debate my friend. and you're obviously getting mad... dont get mad bro, dont get mad.. ppl only get mad if they feel like theyre losing control. oh, and i wasnt referring to your language skills (or lack of), its your argument that lacks. so no need to be racist etc either =) like i said, no need to get mad bro..
123perrin 10 months ago
@123perrin Rofl now you say I'm getting mad to avoid discussing seriously. And what is "name calling", I don't understand this expression (no translation).
And yeah I'm losing control : no need for that to lack arguments, just to discuss with someone who don't want to use his brain and understand the purpose of the debate and the quality of people argumentation.
I could lack control in face of a dumb who don't want to admit that fire burns the skin...
Informatisse 10 months ago
@Informatisse dude... just because you like to use 'flowery' language, it doesnt make you intelligent. and just because someone doesnt use it, it doesnt show a lack of intelligence. even you would have to admit that. so once again ill say to you, ur argument/points are fail. they leave no impression. dont take it personally. if u get mad because someone disagrees with you, dont debate on a public forum. simple. =)
123perrin 10 months ago
@123perrin Dude, you didn't counter my arguments succesfully. My "flowery" language has nothing to do with that. I don't expect you use flowery language neither attempted to use some (wtf are you talking about? xD).
Once again : YOU failed. If I disagree with people I don't run way, wtf do you think? ><
Informatisse 10 months ago
@Informatisse why are you asking what 'name calling' is? seriously. you say im lacking in intelligence, and you're..'way up there'.. but u cant even work out what that means. O.o ok, ill spell it out for you.. (lol) 'name calling' is what you have been doing - calling someone derogitory names (usually when you get mad) like quote; 'dumb, idiot, pathetic, stupid'.. these things you have said. trying to win a debate while calling your opposition these things only makes u seem stupid dumb etc
123perrin 10 months ago
@123perrin I ask what is name calling because I'm not english, and there is not translation for it. Don't get mad, but you're stupid if you didn't understand this.
And by the way, insulting was the strategy of your fellow named guahould. Why didn't you say to him "stop name calling"?
And what's the purpose of avoiding words like "idiots, dumb, etc", if I'm arguing while using this words?
What's the purpose, if not trying to avoid to debate around those arguments xD.
You're busted.
Informatisse 10 months ago
@Informatisse ok... O.o now you've lost me. im 'busted' huh? and whats this thing about 'guahould'? ah nvm, its plain to see your one of those ppl that take themselves way too seriously, has a superiority complex, and would never even entertain the thought of being wrong. ever. so im letting this convo go. you make no sense, both in ur language skills, and the points you make. im going to let you ramble on now, with no reply from me. enjoy it. u sir, are a goose. have a nice life. =)
123perrin 10 months ago
And you see, people are voting SPAM against your mono-sentences with wich you try to piss me off.
Not a good strategy too :)
Informatisse 10 months ago
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Informatisse 10 months ago
I laughed at the other video of ArrogantAtheist where we see him and his girl, sitting in royal armchairs, with great aircuts and so selfish postures.
Damn, I nearly scream while seing those freaks, they remember me exactly what televangelists are. This is insane how trying to be smart by being an atheist can make you dumb.
Informatisse 10 months ago
@Informatisse oh shut up idiot..
guahould 10 months ago
@guahould Insulting without arguing is a FAIL !
Informatisse 10 months ago
There is no other field of human thought that still holds to thinking as old as religious thought. Science has progressed, math, archeology, philosophy, everything except religious belief. That's frightening to me.
Kaalec 10 months ago
@Kaalec what about political science? Plato and Aristotle are still major influences in today's thinking on that subject....not that I disagree with your thought I'm just bored and playing devil's advocate. :P
Mortonc3 10 months ago
@Mortonc3 Yes, they are still influential but there has been much written in the subject since them, much of which disagree with them. Even a quick scan of The Republic reveals that parts of it are outdated. Their writings are not held as inviolate as religious dogma is. In religion, any dissent is met with violence (the Inquisition) or exile (excommunication). It is the only field in which the basic tenets be elaborated upon but not seriously questioned. This is why it is so very dangerous.
Kaalec 10 months ago
the cartesian plan is the image of christ on the cross
thedeadenigma 10 months ago
I am atheist, or a naturalist I suppose. Yet, I think it would be arguable that faith/belief is a necessary condition for certainty. One must be able to trust either in full or in part the source of their information. In many cases in our lives we are in situations in which the information is not immediately verifiable and so faith be held in our sources. I know I suck at trying to be smart but I hope I got my point across enough to end the debate that faith is unreasonable. =D
Mortonc3 10 months ago
@Mortonc3 no sorry. faith is believing in something u DONT know is there/true. if i told you optimus prime was standing just around the corner, without any form of proof, and said 'have faith, hes really there'. would u believe it? no.. faith is just a soft, plush sounding word for accepting/believing in something that someone else has said was true. taking it at face value without really thinking it out. a harsher word would be gullability. im not trying to be offensive here, just honest.
123perrin 10 months ago
@123perrin You should read up on skepticism and cognition I think. You should also consider your approach to an argument, you kind of sound like an asshole.
Mortonc3 10 months ago
@Mortonc3 wow, see what happens? it always does. someone has their beliefs challenged, and they refer to name calling, and derogitory comments. lol, nice comeback mate, nice comeback ;)
anyway, you conviently failed to answer the qstion. i might sound like an asshole - to you, but you sound like a hypocrit.
and you qstion my cognative thinking? your trying to make a case that 'faith' is not unreasonable... sorry, but thats like 2 peices of a puzzle that just dont go together.
123perrin 10 months ago
@123perrin You asked no question. As I pointed out in my last post, it is your approach and your tone. Learn to approach people with respect and you will be called an asshole less often. You say it always happens, maybe you should think about the most common denominator in those situations...
Also you should reread what I said. You should read up on the science of cognition and you'll learn that certainty is for the most part illusion.
Mortonc3 10 months ago
@Mortonc3 once again, u fail to answer the qstion . good avoidance tactics, but not that good lol. and i dont need to approach YOU with any type of respect. remember u called me names. i said i wasnt being offensive, just honest. if u cant handle upfront and honest qstions, get off a public forum. if ur going to try and come across all albert einstein on me, try and answer the qstion, not just avoid it. u sound like a hypocrit.
123perrin 10 months ago
@123perrin not trying to be offensive here, but I think you might want to get checked for autism spectrum disorder because you don't seem to understand basic connotations and I can see it will cause you much undue social conflict such as ours if you don't seek professional help. Just being honest.
See what I did there? =D
Mortonc3 10 months ago
@Mortonc3 rofl. can you do ANYTHING other than call ppl names, try to appear intelligent and seem like you know a person when u obviously dont? so whats ur problem mate? i asked you a qstion, and u started with the name calling. so i would say u have an inferiority complex. dont try to come across as some all knowing all powerful guru dude. get out of ur mums basement once in a while, learn some social skills. dont just name call or suggest ppl are mentally ill when ur qstioned lol.
123perrin 10 months ago
@123perrin notice the perfectly reasonable conversation I am having with Kaalec below....ever figure out that common denominator?
Mortonc3 10 months ago
@Mortonc3 you need to get off the pc... get a gf..get out and see the world. too much time on the pc can give one an inflated opinion of ones intelligence. lol @ you trying to sound like a philosopher xD u sir, are a goose. u have won no argument with me, proven only one thing - that u r a goose - and i am no longer going to waste my time with someone who's opinion of themselves is set way, way too high. ill let you have the last reply to this, u wont be able to resist im sure. =)
123perrin 10 months ago
@123perrin ah, I guess in a round about and elementary way you asked a question which is basically a straw man. Your absurd example has no place in a reasonable and respectful debate.
Mortonc3 10 months ago
@123perrin I'm going to end your arrogant illusions. There is some examples where faith is reasonnable. Firts about probabilities : you believe this could be nearly impossible that there is no life elsewhere than Earth. But this is not really faith. Which brings me to the second example : when you think that something hugely difficult like "eradicating silliness from the surface of the Earth" is possible, because you understand that life gave you the ability to comprehend how.
Informatisse 10 months ago
@Informatisse ok..im still waiting for u to 'end my arrogant illusions'. what you have said makes absolutely no sense. try speaking in plain english for a start. perhaps consult a dictionary once in a while..ok im giving you a cpl of comments, even though you'll bombard me with non sensical bullshit in return. not all faith is unreasonable. example; i have faith that one day, you and i will die. now thats not unreasonable is it? next comment = unreasonable
123perrin 10 months ago
@123perrin
The accusation of low language skill is the proof of your lack of arguments. FAIL.
Informatisse 10 months ago
@Informatisse ... ok unreasonable faith; i have faith, that something ive never seen, heard, touched or spoken to (in real life) is there. my only idea that that this being is there, is because another person has told me it is. that same person has told me to read a book that is full of contradictions, but to follow it, and when i die, this being will pull me up to the clouds, where i will live forever. if i dont follow it, ill get sent so a really hot place..and burn forever. cmon dude.. O.o
123perrin 10 months ago
@123perrin You have proof of something someone told to you? You are an idiot. I have faith about life elsewhere in the universe because of the high probability that it is true. I have faith that we can eradicate silliness from Earth because I understand how.
YOU are the idiot, I AM the reasonable person. OVER.
Informatisse 10 months ago
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@Informatisse dont get mad... dont name call bro..
123perrin 10 months ago
@123perrin And if you're not happy with my fuking english skill, just speak french and I'll be ok to use the same pathetic strategy consisting to tell you : "go learn my language, you're not good enough and so your argumentation is illogical".
Proof of illogical thinking and bad skill in a foreign language?
Informatisse 10 months ago
@Informatisse dont get mad bro..
123perrin 10 months ago
@123perrin So here we go. I wouldn't believe you for many reasons, least of all is the idea that I don't need faith to have certainty in many things. The primary reason would be that I have previous knowledge of OP. There I answered your question. Now I want to know what that question proves or disproves in relation to the concept of faith being necessary for certainty?
Mortonc3 10 months ago
@Mortonc3 By definition, faith is unreasonable. The problem with religious faith is that it will not change. Yes, we have faith in science – until new evidence disproves current thought. For example, it was once thought that the sun revolved around the earth and that was the accepted "truth". Then when evidence was shown that the earth actually orbits the sun, the accepted truth changed to reflect the new evidence. NOTHING changes religious thought even 5000 year old religious thought.
Kaalec 10 months ago
@Kaalec I speak of a more fundamental faith. There are thousands of examples of a faith or belief being necessary for certainty. Did you personally research all the information you have "learned" through your life? It is not possible to answer yes. From text book authors to your parents to your own cognitive processes, there are situations in which you cannot know the "truth." There is an entire branch of philosophy devoted to this idea, skepticism.
Mortonc3 10 months ago
@Mortonc3 I understand the context in which you are positing your comments and I agree with you. But there is still a difference, and I am skeptic. The difference is that much of what I know can be proven – the evidence exists even if I haven't seen it. However, with religious faith, there is no empirical proof of the existence of god. This is blind faith that will never be illuminated by the light of truth, it will only survive in the darkness of superstition
Kaalec 10 months ago
@Kaalec Yes I agree blind faith is much worse than the sort I am speaking of, but at the same time I think that the two forms share the same basic purpose in human cognition. Everyone just needs to make a leap here and there every now and then just to stay sane....those who use it to latch onto theism just need it to stay sane for a different reason than we do...something like that :P
Mortonc3 10 months ago
And last but not least : trying to be cool by using cool music and mocking others simply doesn't work.
Just admit that metaphysic is a normal brain activity of people asking questions and thinking about the limit of science as an ultimate tool. After, you could mock those religious assholes that you deny to immitate.
Informatisse 10 months ago
@Informatisse oh stop trying so hard to seem intelligent .. thinking there is nothing wrong with a delusional person is delusional..
guahould 10 months ago
1 - A forum that call a troll anyone who don't agree with all their methods is crap.
2 - Thinking that anyone who is not an atheist has not a functionnal brain is precisely having a disfunctionnal brain.
3 - People who don't agree with Kant are not idiots but people that understand the 4th argument.
4 - Thinking that god, if it exists, couldn't have create a world within science is not the ultimate solution, is a stupid postulate.
5 - Unicorns and spaghettis are not relevant, idiots.
Informatisse 10 months ago
religions is for 2 kinds of people. #1. people with imaginary friends, #2. People with problems grasping the realities around them
mistbooster 10 months ago
Being an atheist does not mean you have a brain!
That being said, being a theist usually means that you have come to that belief without invoking your brain.
jessivehadit 10 months ago
@jessivehadit
Many people that are atheist come to that thought without invoking their brain too. That's why I usually think pseudo-arguments from atheist are beliefs.
I can't lay hands on this stupid video where an arrogant guy try to demonstrate that crap during a conference. I was flabbergasted to see a bunch of noob applausing him and whistling xD
Informatisse 10 months ago
lets all try and sound smart and post really long words and complex sentences without actually making a point, or becoming so bogged down in making ourselves sound awesome that our ranting serves nothing other than to make pointless definitions and explanations of stuff no one cares about and didnt need a 5 paragraph post on yayayayayay
jackt2469 10 months ago
thank god im an atheist.
flexwheelR 10 months ago
@flexwheelR Thats a double negative isnt it lol
GuitarRocker2008 10 months ago
@flexwheelR Thank god I'm not an atheist neither a religious dumb. I'm just human and honest.
Informatisse 10 months ago
hmmm. let me think..... nah
bluesBro18 10 months ago
I wonder why people get such satisfaction from hurling abusive comments at each other. Ad hominem attacks are logical fallacies and have no objective truth value. I guess to achieve some feeling of superiority or perhaps to help convince ourselves of something we claim to already believe. I suppose someone will call me a poo poo head for offering these musings.
jwlthe4th 10 months ago
@jwlthe4th Are you kidding? Insulting other people anonymously is the ultimate couch potato pastime! There is nothing people love more than to cause others to suffer for their amusement. That is the greatest lesson that the internet has to teach us.
DarthRandall 10 months ago
@DarthRandall some people might try to kick start that little section of their brain that is allowing the fantasy filled beliefs control their dumb asses!! how can anyone watch the way some of the goo heads talk and actually try to imply that they are acting intelligently ?? WOW!!! listen for Ray Comfort for just five minutes and try tell me that guy has a fully funtional brain ....
guahould 10 months ago
@guahould Why take an idiot like this as an example? Why can't you understand something without involving the worse parts of it?
Informatisse 10 months ago
@Informatisse What is there to understand?? Ray Comfort is perfect example ,, his retarded rants are the same as any I hear every time a thumper tries to push their feelings.. It is like I`m talking with someone with the inability to think for themselves at all .. and not just sometimes,, every one that has ever said shockingly to me ,, WHAT ?? YOU DON`T BELIEVE IN GOD?? then they proceed with sounding absolutely fkn retarded ... If that hurts your feelings , sorry but it is what it is ..
guahould 10 months ago
@guahould You seem to be in the same state that your fellows : stuck on the fight against televangelists. That's good, but, can you understand that the entiere world is not stuck there and can have a reasonnable point of view about religions without constantly lacking of honesty?
You are the guys who try to be intelligent, you are the guy who try to make cool video and have dozens of mimics to make you smarter at screen. Seriously, get your hand off your dick.
Informatisse 10 months ago
@guahould And again : using Ray Comfort or those other crooks as your central argument and central motivation for your crusade is pathetic. In fact, this seems to be the only reason to live for skeptics, letting them make the biggest mystake of all the time : confusing the quest against scams, and the respectfull exploration of mind questions.
Informatisse 10 months ago
I Could make an entiere website dedicated to :
- how atheism is a mode, and almost a religion, with dogma
- how people get to this because of their family or social context, and because they can't stand the big questions
- how they make logic mystakes and falsifies rational reasoning with dumbass postulates (when not using unicorns)
- how they try to be smarter than they are and try to hide their real lack of interest for the debate
Informatisse 10 months ago
"Do you consider "afairyism" an "idealogy"?"
First, it's spelled "IDEOLOGY". And obviously, it's not a typo because you spelled it the same way TWICE.
If you can't spell the word, no wonder you don't UNDERSTAND the meaning of the word.
Secondly, afairyism (non-belief in fairies) would, by definition, be an ideology. WHY? It is a belief that shapes the way a person thinks, acts, and understands the world. Fairies don't exist - hence they think, act and understand the world accordingly.
DUNCE
Hammersley1967 10 months ago
Why do u use christian wording. Heaven and hell. Get your own. Indeed the world should find something of their own...
gjeacocke 10 months ago
i like the promo^v^
skullmask5 10 months ago
THAT just earned you a subscriber, XD
marklethanarkle 10 months ago
OK this video convinced me to join (Though I just typed confused as opposed to convinced, probably says something).
dan012345 10 months ago
Thanks for the invite! I got my Big Bang Blaster Mk 2. Actually, I am into that quantum multi-dimentional stuff and humans that had wars on Mars long ago with robots. Oh, bad aliens are living inside the earth for another war soon.
I just can't seem to fit in anywhere.....
gavincurtis 10 months ago
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Did you ever think that maybe Us that actually Know The Christ does Not care what atheist think. The reason you can Not see The Christ Is because you are a stupid fool how many time do I have to say that?
ortafunk 10 months ago
You atheists are stupid. I use god to kill you. you just wait till Christ the Redeemer gets here on his unicorn/pegasus chariot, and my father, Lord Satan, comes to burn you all to a crisp.
Rentonboyo 10 months ago
@Rentonboyo Omigod!!1!
GeorgeMinaSlipknot 10 months ago
@Rentonboyo
oh yeah!? well.... ur dum!
Hahah pwnd uuuu!!LOL
how's that for a comeback? Hard to beat that.
piip4 10 months ago
lol
iamthegame09 10 months ago
I understand that the term "atheism" denotes "non-belief in god" and semantically covers agnosticism and anti-theism".
But, semantics aside, has the SOCIAL MOVEMENT called "Atheism" become a religion in and of itself?
"RELIGION (noun): a set of strongly-held beliefs, values, and attitudes that somebody lives by"
It has a set of strict beliefs (no god/gods) and values (unshakeable faith in the scientific method, celebration of free thought, etc) and attitudes (contempt for theism and theists).
Hammersley1967 10 months ago
@Hammersley1967 No it hasn't. The only, I repeat, only reason that Atheism is ever called a religion is only to level the playing field when being compared to other religion.
There shouldn't even be a word for no believing in god. Absence of belief does not denote an ideology.
It's the same reason we don't have a term for those who don't believe in astrology or homeopathy.
Ahomeopathist? Non-astrologer?
jmvasquez 10 months ago
@jmvasquez
"There shouldn't even be a word for no believing in god."
Why?
"Absence of belief does not denote an ideology."
Really?
"ATHEISM: the acceptance that there is no credible scientific or factually reliable evidence for the existence of a god, gods or the supernatural."
That's NOT a set of ideas? Not a belief in itself?
If it's not a pattern of ideas, then what is it?
"RELIGION (noun): a set of strongly-held beliefs, values, and attitudes that somebody lives by"
Hammersley1967 10 months ago
@Hammersley1967 I already answered half of your questions.
Is it an ideology to not believe in homeopathy? Or a religion to not believe 9-11 conspiracy theories?
It the same thing. Now stop trying to lump my non belief in the same heap as your bearded man in the sky bedtime story.
jmvasquez 10 months ago
@jmvasquez
"stop trying to lump my non belief in the same heap as your bearded man in the sky bedtime story"
And there's the attack and ridicule of the theistic belief...
An anti-theist value system and attitude that you live by.
jmvasquez, I'm an atheist (small "a"), but you are an Atheist (capital "A").
I merely accept the lack of evidence in a supernatural god.
And I accept that that is taking an ideological position...
You, on the other hand, live in the positive belief of "no god"...
Hammersley1967 10 months ago
@Hammersley1967 All your effort is wasted. If whatever the fuck you believed in was so true and good you'd be trying to tell me about it instead of trying to call atheism a religion.
Seriously, why spend all this effort arguing a point your never going to win on youtube.
Rejection of a religion is NOT a religion.
There are thousands of religions you don't believe in. Are you in a separate religion for each of those?
jmvasquez 10 months ago
@jmvasquez
"Seriously, why spend all this effort arguing a point your never going to win on youtube."
jmvasquez, it's patently clear to anyone reading this thread that I just wiped the floor with you...
You didn't score a point...
You didn't attent to ONE point that I made...
Your beat... Done like a dinner...
Have you got even ONE credible comeback?
Hammersley1967 10 months ago
@jmvasquez
"Rejection of a religion is NOT a religion. There are thousands of religions you don't believe in. Are you in a separate religion for each of those?"
And again your comprehension and intellectual paucity is absent...
If I define myself and govern my life in opposition to these religions, then yes, my "non-belief" in these religions, and more importantly HOW I utilise these beliefs in my life, necessarily DEFINES that belief system as a religion...
GET IT?
No? *facepalm*
Hammersley1967 10 months ago
@Hammersley1967 I like how you causally didn't acknowledge how wrong you were about "homeopathist" not being a word.
This is the flaw in your thinking: Just because you believe something is true DOESN'T MAKE IT SO.
Stop being a victim about your beliefs. You're not being persecuted.
You're just a moron who can't let go of a story you were told as a child.
jmvasquez 10 months ago
@jmvasquez
"I like how you causally didn't acknowledge how wrong you were about "homeopathist" not being a word."
That's it? That's your "argument"? That "homeopathist" is a word?
And I just LOVE the way you completely ignore the annihilation of your argument when I stated:
"If there were a need for these terms to be regularly expressed (because a social movement arose that defined itself in opposition to homeopathy or astrology) then these words would enter the vernacular"
Any thoughts?
Hammersley1967 10 months ago
@jmvasquez
"Stop being a victim about your beliefs. You're not being persecuted. You're just a moron who can't let go of a story you were told as a child."
WOW!!!
You can't compete with an atheist who has the better of you, so you verbal them as a "theist"?
Come on jmvasquez, can't you answer even ONE question without hiding behind a digression?
Atheism is not an ideology? Wanna justify that statement?
No? Didn't think so...
One word that describes you: "Intellectual weakling"...
Hammersley1967 10 months ago
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@jmvasquez
"You're just a moron who can't let go of a story you were told as a child."
And you're a moron that can't read or follow an argument...
Go on, call me a theist again... It reveals your intellectual paucity so splendidly...
You guys REALLY embarrass us atheists that have intellectual credibility...
You really haven't thought your position through have you?
Hammersley1967 10 months ago
@Hammersley1967 Last word before you are blocked because you're not worth anymore time.
If there is a god or entity sufficiently advanced enough to be considered a god, there is no chance he's like the god's of the Abrahamic religions.
You seriously believe an omniscient being capable of creating everything that has ever existed cares what we eat or who we have sex with and how? You're the problem with the planet, You hold us back from our true potential with your fairy tales. Bye.
jmvasquez 10 months ago
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Hammersley1967 10 months ago
@jmvasquez
"You seriously believe an omniscient being capable of creating everything that has ever existed"
I can see that you have a significant literacy challenges so I will spell it out for you once again.
I... AM... AN... ATHEIST...
I don't hold a position on the existence of god because there is no evidence for neither the existence nor non-existence of a god or gods.
Do you "get it"? No? Oh well...
Fella, you REALLY are letting "the side" down with your intellectual shortcomings...
Hammersley1967 10 months ago
@jmvasquez
"Last word before you are blocked because you're not worth anymore time."
You "BLOCKED" me did you?
WOW!!! And the comments keep appearing on the thread?
Run away then... Leave the adults in peace to tackle the big grown up ideas...
There's one born every minute, eh folks?
Hammersley1967 10 months ago
@jmvasquez
"If there is a god or entity sufficiently advanced enough to be considered a god, there is no chance he's like the god's of the Abrahamic religions."
And there we have your belief laden IDEOLOGY (indeed religious belief)...
Unlike you (who is an ideologically driven, religious anti-theist), I am an atheist...
I have no opinion on these matters because there is simply not enough evidence to logically hold an opinion...
You habour beliefs that cannot be empirically supported....
Hammersley1967 10 months ago
@Hammersley1967 You are a complete moron. Atheism is NOT an ideaology...it is a response to theism, nothing more. Do you consider "afairyism" an "idealogy"? Atheism is not a belief system, it is exactly the opposite.
"I have no opinion on these matters because there is simply not enough evidence to logically hold an opinion..." Then you're an idiot with no idea of the issues whatsoever.
One born every minute? Indeed...and it would seem to be you.
Ellie8969 10 months ago
@Ellie8969
"Do you consider "afairyism" an "idealogy"?"
Yes you imbecile... You have no idea what "ideology" means do you? Let me help you out:
IDEOLOGY (noun): "a set of beliefs, values, and opinions that shapes the way a person or a group such as a social class thinks, acts, and understands the world"
So are you saying that "atheism" (belief in the non-existence of god) is not a belief? Is value neutral? Has no bearing on how the atheist understands the world?
Your ignorance is ASTOUNDING
Hammersley1967 10 months ago
@Ellie8969
" 'I have no opinion on these matters because there is simply not enough evidence to logically hold an opinion.' Then you're an idiot with no idea of the issues whatsoever."
You must have been born the minute after the other moron.
Having no opinion on the existence of god due to lack of evidence IS AN IDEOLOGY.
A pattern of ideas that leads to a conclusion and world view.
That the existence of god is uncertain, and the world may or may not be governed or created by a god.
IDIOT
Hammersley1967 10 months ago
@Ellie8969
"One born every minute? Indeed...and it would seem to be you."
Actually there seems to be 2 born every minute - you and jmvasquez...
HERE"S A TIP: Read a dictionary, understand the meaning of the term "ideology", reflex on your BELIEFS, and think the argument through...
Otherwise, you waste everyone's time...
*face palm*
Hammersley1967 10 months ago
@Hammersley1967 "An ideology is a set of ideas that constitutes one's goals, expectations, and actions" Atheism does not fit this definition, dear. Does not believing in the Loch Ness Monster constitute a goal, expectation or action? As I tried to explain before (which you appear to be too stupid to understand) - atheism is nothing more than a response to theism. Nobody bases their life around stuff they don't believe in. Cretin.
Ellie8969 10 months ago
@Ellie8969
"An ideology is a set of ideas that constitutes one's goals, expectations, and actions"
Nice perversion of the definition but no cigar sweety pie...
The Encarta English Dictionary (2011) defines IDEOLOGY as "a set of beliefs, values, and opinions that shapes the way a person or a group such as a social class thinks, acts, and understands the world"
And yes, atheism, agnosticism, and anti-theism all fit that definition...
As I said, nice try but...
BZZZZZZZZZ....
Fail...
Hammersley1967 10 months ago
@Hammersley1967 You are an unpleasant little person, aren't you? I got the definition from Wiki, but it means the same as the dictionary definition you've given. IDEOLOGIES (you are quite right, I spelt it wrong) are a "set of beliefs...." Shall I say that again in case you missed it...."A set of beliefs......" What your suggesting is that your IDEOLOGY is massive beyond comprehension because it includes everything (trillions of things) that you don't believe.
Ellie8969 10 months ago
@Hammersley1967 You can mess with definitions as much as you like, but you are absolutely wrong. 100%. And what's with all the childish ranting? Grow up. You're making a fool of yourself.
Ellie8969 10 months ago
@Ellie8969
"atheism is nothing more than a response to theism. Nobody bases their life around stuff they don't believe in."
Of course people base their lives on what they don't believe in you mental cripple...
I don't believe in Fascism, That's a reaction to fascism. I believe that fascism is a flawed ideology.
That leads to various choices, behaviours, and understandings of the world...
How does your peanut sized brain generate enough energy to keep your fingers tapping on that keyboard?
Hammersley1967 10 months ago
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Hammersley1967 10 months ago
@jmvasquez
"I already answered half of your questions."
Really?
What questions exactly did you answer?
"Is it an ideology to not believe in homeopathy?"
Yes it is... It is a pattern of ideas that support the superordinate concept that homeopathy is ineffective - based on "lack of evidence", "paucity of theoretical grounding", etc...
A number of reasons and ideas leading to a logical conclusion... IDEOLOGY...
Hammersley1967 10 months ago
@jmvasquez
"It's the same reason we don't have a term for those who don't believe in astrology or homeopathy. Ahomeopathist? Non-astrologer?"
Actually, "non-astrologer" IS a word. "Ahomeopathist" is NOT a word because "homeopathist" is not a word. But "non-homeopath" IS a word.
If there were a need for these terms to be regularly expressed (because a social movement [like atheism] arose that defined itself in opposition to homeopathy or astrology) then these words would enter the vernacular.
Hammersley1967 10 months ago
@Hammersley1967 Homeopathist is a word you idiot. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you didn't do even a rudimentary amount of research since you are arguing for atheism as a religion.
Seriously this is whats wrong with people like you. You spout off things as fact and twist words and meaning while being massively ill informed.
jmvasquez 10 months ago
@jmvasquez
"Homeopathist is a word you idiot. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you didn't do even a rudimentary amount of research since you are arguing for atheism as a religion."
Ah! The ad hom attack... The last bastion of the cornered...
I notice that there is no attention to my questions?
Why should there be no word for "lack of belief"?
And how is the atheist position NOT an ideology?
Got any answers or just more vitriolic venom to camouflage your vacuum of self-reflection?
Hammersley1967 10 months ago
@jmvasquez
"You spout off things as fact and twist words and meaning while being massively ill informed."
Like what?
My contention that: "If there were a need for these terms to be regularly expressed (because a social movement [like atheism] arose that defined itself in opposition to homeopathy or astrology) then these words would enter the vernacular."
Is that ill-informed? When a concept or phenomenon requires expression, human beings will coin a term to express it?
Any answer to that?
Hammersley1967 10 months ago
y does Santa claus only like parents with good jobs.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
211for11 2 years ago
Too funny!
Beadbud5000 2 years ago
Why can't forums have a tree-structure nowadays? I rahter use alt.atheism :(
wOoL87 2 years ago
I agree at random
AyumiClarice09 2 years ago
God is love. There is no amount of comments, t-shirts, or forums that can change that.
17random8917 2 years ago
@17random8917 We already have a word for love, its called LOVE. God is not love. But your door is a jar.
cynisturb 10 months ago
@cynisturb What are you going to say when you encounter someone whose door really IS a jar?
lazyperfectionist1 10 months ago
Lately I've heard the nuanced qualifier "Neo-" prefixed to Atheism as if to imply some idea of resurgence that spawned from a period of quiescence.Hardly.Atheists in an Information Age are merely more self-explored as our legions multiply.
djnross 2 years ago
Count me in :)
hasanabrkica3 2 years ago
I do not have a religion, i have a relationship with my Lord and savior Jesus Christ.
He learned me to pray for my enemies, and not to hate them.
he learned me what real love means.
Because of Him I have peace in my heart.
I am saved byJesus Christ.
Hope you find this luck too !
God bless you all.
FlorienBloem777 2 years ago
Hey dude, correct the misspelling in your comment before you get a bunch of atheists on our asses. You said he "learned" me to pray for my enemies, and not hate them.
thepenismight 2 years ago
Ha, I speak 5 languages, I am dutch, and no my English spelling is not perfect, so what?
Is that so important to you, or are you thinking you are perfect?
Haha!
FlorienBloem777 2 years ago
Jeez dude, I didn't mean it as an insult. I simply didn't want a bunch of assholes calling us christians mentally retarded.
thepenismight 2 years ago
Hahahaha, he should have "learned" you english first :)... and (to cut the discussion short) I'm not english either, and I only speak 4 languages, but I "learned" them well :)
hasanabrkica3 2 years ago
Why would this comment be a game changer for people that are out there that obviously aren't interested in your religion? You respect my freedom to believe whatever I like, and I'll respect yours. I'm glad you're happy with what you believe, but please understand this. I'm just as happy -- if not happier by not subscribing to a ridiculous belief system, network of friends, political movement etc.
snomonkey33 2 years ago 4
@snomonkey33 "You respect my freedom to believe whatever I like, and I'll respect yours." and "...a ridiculous belief system..." don't match.
FAILURE TO RESPECT!
crazybay46913 10 months ago
"He learned me what love really means.'
-Did he also "learn" you it's okay to beat your slaves if they live more than a day? Did he "learn" you that rabbits chew their cud? Did he "learn" you to practice polygamy, rape, and genocide, to name a few? Before you preach your religion to us(And yes, it is a religion. Deal with it), maybe you should try reading the Old Testament. You'll find it isn't as "loving" as you might think.
Philosoraptor77 2 years ago
you're jsut silly, what als did he "learne" you?
samuelx41 2 years ago
if you have a relationship with someone invisible that other people can not actively converse and interact with, your probably in a psychiatric ward.
ZechsLightningBaron 2 years ago
i dont no what you are trying to say
samuelx41 2 years ago
its kool to be an athiest, and yeah, religious ppl are just being friken ignorant to us, i believe theres something else instead of god, but just dont go to other ppl and say "christian sucks!" cuz really, your just causing a riot
Dan88s 2 years ago
@Dan88s the notion that something created the universe is unprovable. which means it cant be proven or disproven. atheism is by definition a "faith" as it is believing something without certain proof. if you want to be "smart" and take a scientific approach you should be agnostic. whats funnier than seeing people have faith, is seeing people have faith that the faithful people are faithless.
elmuhfuh 2 years ago
yeah, i do know that faith is just a silly thing really, but tellin ppl around our feelings of religion is just uneccasary, no i dont wanna be agnostic, not my thing bro. dont want to cause a riot cuz of religion.
Dan88s 2 years ago
Agnostic is a very odd term. This is because a lot of Atheists aren't, by literal definition, atheists. It's more of a 'I think there is no God. But, I could be wrong' sort of deal. It's come to be the meaning of Atheism for most. For me and my fellow atheists and friends.
TheCoffeeGrind 2 years ago 2
that exactly follows atheism.
atheism is the lack of belief in a god, most atheist are atheist by definition. if your an agnostic atheist, it means you don't believe a god exist, but you don't know for sure. theres nothing wrong with that. there are those that say its impossible to know anything for sure, which is really where the agnostics come in. the alternative would be a gnostic atheist, which means not only do you not have a belief in a god, but you know for certain that none exist.
ZechsLightningBaron 2 years ago
@elmuhfuh
You could say believing in gravity require some small amount of "faith".
And while science must remain completely Agnostic, I am not going to BELIEVE (key word) in something's existence in which there is zero evidence for. Like Santa Claus, or God. Agnostic Atheism is the Default position, until proven otherwise.
I just say I'm Atheist for short.
PhilipWitte 2 years ago
I agree, most "religious" people are a bit idiotic.
But don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
I understand the Atheist's frustration with the "Christian" community. And trust me, I share the same frustration, even though I believe in God.
Religion has become an institute of the state, and has divorced it's connection with God's morals, deciding instead to pick and choose what they will enforce, and what they will not enforce.
Sounds like government, doesn't it?
brokenjohnny 2 years ago
your mother sucks cocks in hell
killzonerome 2 years ago
LOL
You don't have a full-scale model functioning brain, do you?
AyashaYumi 2 years ago
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your mother sucks cocks in hell
killzonerome 2 years ago
There are very few christians I know that respect my opinion on the world and stopped trying to convince me of an invisible man up in the sky.I shut up about my opinion and they shut up about theirs.But many christians also try to convince me that if I don't conver that I will burn in hell and that is the exact reason why I hate religious people.Because they can't keep their religion to themselves.
godofwar303 2 years ago
their trying to keep u from being such a dumbass. well good luck in the pit of fire stupid.
tellit2yastr8 2 years ago
What proof do you have about that "Pit of fire"? Enlighten me.
bettafriend 2 years ago
You are a big mouthed one aren't you.
Besides isn't god all forgiving.
I would turn out to be dumb to believe only something I am told to.While you believe in a something you read from a stupid book.Why wouldn't Zeus,Jupiter,Ra,Amaterasu or Allah exist.
Why does it have to be your god.Answer that.
godofwar303 2 years ago
because the bible said so. u will see when satan sticks his firey cock in ur butt. you need to ask forgivness. repent ye bitch
tellit2yastr8 2 years ago
Like I would ever repent.And what makes you think that what's written in the bible is true.Besides even if god did exist he wouldn't accept some foul mouthed idiot in his "heaven".
godofwar303 2 years ago
Also by reading your colorful vocabulary I
would say that you are a low life pathetic person who has no future unless in drugs and other stufff like that.You can't find hapiness anywhere but a book called the bible.What was that you said?
The truth hurts bitch.
godofwar303 2 years ago
so when u are suckin satans cock in hell will u wish u had belived. maybe not cuz it is a FACT that 95% of athiest are gay. well good luck with that big band thing . not talking about the night u spent in jail . ha ha ha ha ha ha
tellit2yastr8 2 years ago
does your shit for brains ooze out of your ears sometimes?
EthanSurbaugh 2 years ago
does the truth hurt bitch?
tellit2yastr8 2 years ago
oooh big talker, take my advise dude, stay on youtube. Anyone who uses words words like "gay, cock, bitch, etc" online are certified wimps.
EthanSurbaugh 2 years ago
I just can't bear Atheists who act just like raving christians.
What's the point of being just like the Christians if you're going to flaunt about Atheism?
You're almost claiming Christians perform herecy by believing in God. It's stupid.
SimonSezNo 2 years ago
So true. It's just reactionary.
captainpicard0 2 years ago
duna duna duna duna duna duna
Jumping Jelly Fish Atheist Man, its the Riddler...
"Riddle me this! atheist man...what hasa fancy capes and fear the almighty banana....YOU"
"uh...dude....you're not suppose to answer your own riddles.."
BAM!
Niveous23 2 years ago
Loved the Batman theme song throughout LOL--Nice work if you can get it...Mikey ;-)
WarlordFeyd 2 years ago
I LOVE GOD :)
and he loves me :)
AND he loves ALL of you atheist :)
BAMAman1100 2 years ago
Which of the god(s) do you love ... and it's atheist(s) by the way
ProsperosCloset 2 years ago
i tried to go there. it was too slow
NotTooObvious 2 years ago
What a pathetic attempt to sell t-shirts
mightytalon28 2 years ago
Still cheaper than going to church....
TheEvilDeathBaby 2 years ago 18
I wouldn't know. but when there is a place for athiests to "congregate" and an opportunist willing to extract money from the pockets of like minded individuals the religious concept is the same."Hey, someone thinks what I think I will join them and all they want is some money to spread the word" There is a sheeple born every minute.
mightytalon28 2 years ago
One thing you learn caring for old people is you want to be prepared to care for yourself when you are old. Once you get unable to care for yourself, the parasites swarm around you & start saying, Whatever I am doing for you is good for you. Denying you the right to drink cod liver oil, take 2 grams of vitamin C, because it is, not medically approved by the AMA.
Self ownership. You better be prepared to care for your own medical needs,
paul8kangas 2 years ago
LOL.....I think I'll join.
Sounds like fun...
mwahahahahaaaa
fonna 2 years ago
Yeah, but do you get a free t-shirt?
mrowepat 2 years ago
ahh u bastards i wanted to see what the cristian said to me. author if u read please summerize it unless its like those old crristian tales
stas92 2 years ago
DOes someone know how this song is called?
Please tell me :)
Quuob 2 years ago