Whats bad is that they tell you kids to pledge a allegiance to the country with out knowing what is really is. Must 5 or 6 years old dont even know were they live
let a lone know what the pledge of allegiance is.What i think they need to do is wait and tell them what it is.Then ask the kids do they know what it is and then see if they want to pledge of allegiance as a free citizen.
I used to do this 5 days a week, every week, every month , every year........but you have to understand....us kids were taught to love our country back then, fight for you and yours and your neighbors on ocassion. Rally true Patriots...RALLY.
You know that they added Under God in the fifties? Yes because this country was scared of communism....Our flags stars and stripes should be replaced with shaggy and scooby-doo running for their lives
Honestly, I don't get choked up when I see the American flag. I just see it as a symbol of our nation. I'm not trying to make it seem like I'm some hater of America, because I'm not. I do respect our troops. I just don't like how it says ONE nation under God. God loves everyone, not just our nation.
we don't mind that you believe in god, its the fact that in the 50's, religious conservatives put the "under god" in there to make it sound like we were protected by a non-existent being. the original had no "under god", it was just "One nation, Indivisible". making, for example, a child who does not believe in an omnipotent being say that. it does technically infringe on the first amendment rights, but not at first glance. Freedom of religion also implies freedom from religion
@SuperTheguy1234 We don't mind that you don't believe in God, that's your problem. But you can not stupidly say God is a "non-existent being". That is just your opinion, don't try to pass it off as fact.
In NO WAY does Freedom of Religion, mean freedom from religion. You you choose NOT to believe in religion, that is your choice. Freedom of Religion does protect your right not to choose religion, but in no way, does it mean, or imply, freedom FROM religion. It's your freedom OF choice,not from
@jonsaguard i can easily prove that a god doesn't exist. i don't say it stupidly, i say it with intelligent thought, and a logical process has been used to come to that conclusion. by freedom from religion, i meant exactly what you said. it is the choice to be away from any religious sect.
@kanmoreti "May" I? Yes, I will. Look at your stupid comment where you wrongly imply that I think there can not be atheist.
AS I SAID: WE HAVE FREEDOM OF RELIGION. That means you can choose to have religion, or not. If one does chooses religion, that person has a freedom to pick one of his or her liking.
To say: "Under god should be taken out" of the pledge, is, a form of attack to those who Love God.
@jonsaguard "To say: "Under god should be taken out" of the pledge, is, a form of attack to those who Love God." You are WRONG. To say "under god should be taken out" is practising freedom of speech. If I said "You are all stupid for believing in *whatever god you believe in*" than I would be attacking you. The words Under god were added by the knights of Columbus in 1954. The original Pledge was written by a Baptist pastor and socialist called Bellamy, and it said (next comment)
@kanmoreti I know the words "Under God" were added in 1954, as they should be. Because we are One Nation Under God. And YES, those words of your are an attack. It is not as if I were to call you the most Stupid Dumb Ass there is, but it is still a form of an attack. It's much the same as if I told you to :Go with God, knowing you are an athiest. If I did, would you be offended or feel attacked to an extent?
@jonsaguard I would not be offended or feel attacked if you said "Go with god". If you feel offended and attacked because I think that it is unconstitutional for government to include religious references in the national motto, the money and the pledge of allegiance, then you have a really big problem, because in the world there will be people criticising everything you believe constantly, and you gotta get used to people disagreeing with you.
@kanmoreti The problems are many and those problems are yours! 1st of all, how is it unconstitutional? Thats your biggest problem, if you think that. Do you think those 2 little words establish a National Church that you must be a part of? Atheist invented the term "Separation of Church and State". England had The Church of England" which everyone had to accept. That's why, The Constitution, is says: The State Shall not ESTABLISH a Church. The Constitution also gives us a FREEDOM of Religion
This Freedom of Religion allows us to worship as we please, including in public. In your case, you are free not to have to worship, like those in England HAD to do. Freedom OF Religion allows us to pray when we want. It allows us to mention God, privately, publicly, or in Government. Because mentioning God, or talking about God in government IS NOT establishing any religion.
@jonsaguard I agree, but you also have to state that if you are in Government, you cannot ever use your position to promote or endorse a religion. ;o)
@kanmoreti Our laws, through out history, are based on Judo/Christian laws. That is a fact. It is also history. That's why you see some religious references in the Courts and Official documents. I do not know why "Under God" was added to the Pledge and I fully support the Constitutional Right to do so. As I support your right not to love God. Not many thing in this world will make everyone comfortable. I don't like The Civil Liberties Union going after everything religious, but I life with it.
@jonsaguard No, laws are not based on Judeo/Christian values. But look, I do not really care about politics, it just puzzles me that you felt attacked when I said that the words under god should be remove. And it is NOT that I do not love god, it is that I cannot buy into it. I cannot make myself believe. For you to understand my situation, I would like you to try to believe that the Chronicles of Narnia are completely true from beginning to end. That is how I feel about all religions.
@kanmoreti, "No, laws are not based on Judeo/Christian values"? What country do you live in? US Laws are most definitely Judo/Christian based. Ask any lawyer or Judge. FAITH! Not just stories, you need faith. I don't have time to explain spirituality to you.
@jonsaguard Faith: Believing in something for which there is no evidence. Believing in something without a good reason to believe in it. For example, a hindu will tell you that he has the truth, and that all you are wrong. Why is YOUR god real and Krishna is not?
@kanmoreti, there's ALL KINDS of evidence! But you won't see it, you're too closed minded. You already made up your mind not to see it. If you DON"T want to see it, you won't. You'll see it, when you believe it.
@jonsaguard I am the very definition of open minded. I advise you to watch a video by youtuber QualiaSoup called "open-mindedness". Open-mindedness means to be open to new ideas. Believing in everything they tell you is NOT open-mindedness, it is credulity. Besides, the very thing you told is is exactly the same thing a muslim told me yesterday about Allah and Mohammed. Does it make me also close-minded not to believe what the muslim told me?
@kanmoreti NO! No way! You are very closed minded! You are closed to the idea that God exists. Muslims do believe in God. I think you need to do some home work before you embarrass yourself more.
@jonsaguard I am NOT closed to the idea that god exists. And muslims believe in a different god than you do, and have other beliefs. So what I asked you was if it makes me close minded not to believe the muslim religion instead of the christian religion. Get it? And again, do not confuse credulity with open-mindedness. To believe everything they tell you is credulity. And I believed in god some time ago, therefore I was an open-minded person because I accepted a new idea. You are closeminded.
@kanmoreti Muslims believe in a different Profit than Christians. Now that I know you do believe that God MAY exist, you would be open minded, except for the fact that you are so closed minded as to refuse to see the obvious, that I am very open minded. What in our conversations, cause you to call me closed minded? Do you know how to comprehend what you read?
@jonsaguard I think that you are close minded because you are not open to even think that Jesus may no be the real god. And believe, it is not so obvious. Again, I am open-minded about everything. But I have Buddhists telling me that I will be reincarnated, muslims telling me to love muhammed and believe in allah, christians telling me to believe in Jesus, and none of them present persuasive data. I am not close.minded, because I would LIKE to believe all you, I just need confirmation.
@kanmoreti Not only are you closed minded, you are very forgetful! Reread my responses and you will see how wrong you are about your last statement. I told you that Islam see a different Profit than Christians do. I admitted it again. I do not believe Jesus or Mohammed were God, the were both Profits. If you are closed to the idea that God exists ( you denied him twice), you will not see the confirmation. If you really do want confirmation, I can help.
@jonsaguard Wait, let's back up. Again, I am not close minded. I know this is gonna be the third time I say this, but I am gonna say it. You are confusing Credulity with Open-mindedness. A credulous person believes in almost everything people tell him. An open-minded person is open to consider new ideas, when those ideas are backed up with persuasive data. I was a catholic, but I was open-minded enough to question myself. And atheism is lack of believe in god.
@kanmoreti Obviously, you are closed minded. YOU call yourself an atheist. That meas by definition, that you don't believe there is a God. And it is because you are Atheist, that you don't want God in the Pledge. And all this time, you are making up excuses why it is illegal to say God.
As I said, if you are open enough to see proof of God, I can help you.
@jonsaguard I do call myself an atheist, correct. That means by definition that I believe that there is no god, correct. And the reason that I don't want religious references in the pledge is partly because I am an atheist but also because there are other groups that do not believe in a god (buddhists) or groups that believe in more than one god (hindus). That is the definition of secular, all religions get protected. Would you like the pledge to say "One atheist nation"? I bet you wouldn't.
@kanmoreti You do NOT have to say the Pledge. No one is forcing you. In the schools, there are many who don't say the pledge. That is not a problem in the schools. And I have a choice not to say "ONE ATHEIST NATION".
@jonsaguard We do not claim that there is no god. We believe that he or she doesn't exist. Do you see the difference. I have absolutely no idea if there is a god or not. And you don't either. But the fact that I do not know if there is a god, is enough to think there isn't. For example, is there evidence that the loch ness monster does not exist? But, as there is no evidence that there is one, isn't it better to lack belief that he does exist?
@kanmoreti "We do not claim that there is no god. We believe that he or she doesn't exist." What???? To say that god does not exist IS TO SAY THERE IS NOT GOD. No, I do not see a difference, no one can. YOU LIE! I do not God exist. It's impossible for you to say that with any conscience. AGAIN, for the 4th time, if you do want to see evidence that God exist, I can help you.
@jonsaguard No no no no no and no. Asking for proof before believing in something is not close-minded. That is how science works. Before making claims, scientists first have to look for evidence. When they already have the evidence, they start "believing" (knowing is a better word) in something.
@jonsaguard I know that you have offered five times, but I was just trying to explain to you my reason to be an atheist. So now that I have explained that to you, go ahead and tell me your evidence.
@jonsaguard And the "You'll see it, when you believe it." is rubbish. That is not how it works. If you make yourself believe something, then you will look at facts biased, and therefor you will not arrive to an intelligent conclusion. Besides, couldn't I call you close minded for making your mind up and not being open to the fact that there could be no god? Or close minded to the fact that Islam could be the right religion?
@kanmoreti, It is "rubbish" as long as you believe it to be rubbish. As long as you refuse to allow God and his goodness into your life, You won't "See it". Islam IS the right religion, for some. I am open to that. I am open to some who don't believe in God. It's called "Openness". I don't come up with a statement saying there is no God, like you do. THAT IS VERY CLOSED MINDED. It would be like one telling you: "You must be Christian", or "You must be Islamic, Catholic or Protestant, etc.
@kanmoreti So, you admit there is a God, and since saying "Under God" does in no way, ESTABLISH a religion, then there is no problem with those words being in The Pledge. Correct?
@kanmoreti So THAT brings us back to why you are closed minded. THERE IS NOTHING IN ANY LAW ANYWHERE THAT SAYS THERE CAN NOT BE A RELIGIOUS REFERENCE!
@jonsaguard Actually, it was guys like Jefferson who invented the reasoning behind separation of Church and State, as well as the terminology behind it. ;o)
@PalemoonSun Yes, they framed The Constitution. BUT, they provided for FREEDOM OF Religion and never used a term like "Seperation of Church & State". They did not want the State (Government) to ESTABLISH a Religion, like England had with The Church of England. They wanted to be sure Clergy, not Government, ran Churches. Nothing is wrong with having God and Religion in Gov., as long as Gov does not control Religion.
@jonsaguard I just cannot believe you just told me that our forefathers never said such a thing...
"I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."
-- President Jefferson, 1802, excerpt of his famous letter to the Danbury Baptists.
@PalemoonSun, As you mention, this was was from a letter. I said it was not in The Constitution. Big difference. I must congratulat you, you seem much more intelligent that the others on You Tube who argue without knowing anything.
@jonsaguard One other thing, if you allow religion into government, what then will stop government from appropriating religion?
Let's go back in time to the Cold War. In the Red Square in Moscow there are cathedrals and churches that are hundreds of years older than the United States. They were never torn down, they were never abolished. Yet, our government called them "atheists", why is that? It was to play on peoples fears, for propaganda purposes.
@PalemoonSun, Religion does not need to be abolished from Gov. At the same time, it should not control Government. Are you sure our Government called all Russions Athiest? Or could there be refference of some, in Russia being Athiest?
@jonsaguard Yes, I'm sure out govt did it. And encouraged it. It was our government who stamped "In God We Trust" on our money simply as a way to differentiate ourselves from the atheist Russians. That because God was on "OUR" side, that we would prevail in any war with the Soviet Union. Funny thing is, we were also in hostilities with Nicaragua who hold "In God We Trust" as their motto since 1912, it was only ours since 1956. So in a 1980's war with Nicaragua, whose wide would God have been on?
@jonsaguard And to be honest, the way the Constitution is worded, our government as an entity, is supposed to be atheist in that it is not allowed to show any favoritism to any religion among the citizens of the United States. Yet, since politicians are also citizens, they have their right to worship any way they see fit. What they do not have the right to do, is preach from the public pulpit, nor try and use religion for political grandstanding.
@PalemoonSun you have a very liberal/athiest view. The Gov is not "supposed to be atheist "? WHAT? The government was established with a Fredom OF Religion NOT Fredom FROM Religion.Religion was used to frame The Constitution.
@jonsaguard You are right, we have freedom of religion, or are supposed to. I have the right to worship whatever I want. Where I grew up in Florida, there was a Church of Dionysus, the Greek God of wine and fertility, among other things, and the Church was very promiscuous in that it was perfectly fine to have alcohol and sex whenever you wanted, lol. That is freedom of religion.
The problem arises when one religion tries to force itself on others. That's when the government protects us. Right?
@PalemoonSun, some groups do strange things, calling it Religion, that's true. I do not consider Cults are Religion or those who pray to UFOs. Is Religion trying to "Force" itself upon others? There are those who prostilitise and Gov. has stepped in to tell them to get out of the Airports. The Government also told Telemarketers to stop calling. Does that mean telemarketers are forcing themselves upon us? Some would say yes to both. Are either a threat to, or being ESTABLISHED by the Country?
@jonsaguard I see your point about determining what is being forced and what is being asked. Let me give some examples. You mention telemarketers. If one calls and asks if I want some product and I say no, I expect them to accept that and say goodbye. Anything beyond that reasonable expectation is then forcing themselves on me.
Same with holy rollers. If one shows up at my door asking if I would like to find out about X religion... and I say no thanks, I expect them to then walk away.
@PalemoonSun I have been hounded by thosse who say is you don't go to THEIR Church, you will go to Hell, That is wrong, very wrong. My Church would never do that. I believe Chruches are there if you want to go. Please don't feel that all "Churches are the "Holy Rollers' as you call them. There are many beliefs and doctrines to choose from. I am not trying to convince you to think one way or another, just expressing my view about Church & State being able to work together.
@jonsaguard Continued from previous.... Now if the holy roller does that, fine. However, if they then say "If you close that door on me then you will surely burn in Hell as a non-believer", then hey, that is not only forcing themselves on me, but forcing their beliefs on me. In most instances, I see them as no different than a telemarketer.
You emailed me about what I believe. I'll answer that in my next post as others may wish to know.
@PalemoonSun, There are some who say: "If you close that door on me then you will surely burn in Hell as a non-believer", I don't subscribe to that and many other Christians don't either. God is a good God and does not "Punish those who don't believe.
@jonsaguard What do I believe? 2 things. First, I believe in the ways of nature. That is irrefutable. Second, I believe that a man lived that was named Christus. If we are to believe Tacitus who wrote of Christus in the Annals, then that is also irrefutable. Beyond that, everything is up for debate. So I'm a partial Druid while also being a partial Christian. My "Christian" being that which believes in the existence of the man only. Whose name was Christus, not Jesus.
@jonsaguard ACTUALLY the first amendment says: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. see that first part. it does not matter if it is not a specific religion, it is respecting the establishment of religion. also, atheists did not invent the term, just saying.
@SuperTheguy1234, EXACTLY!!! That is what I've been saying. The words "Under God", don't ESTABLISH a religion in any way. Yes, an athiest attorney said the term "Seperation of Church & State" is in The Constitution. That term, or anything like it, are NOT in The Constitution.
@jonsaguard Atheists invented the term separation of church state? I'm pretty sure that it was Thomas Jefferson you idiot. not pretty sure actually, 100 percent sure. Oh by the way Thomas Jefferson was a deist. Good fight.
@TheAngelVids I'm pretty sure it was Martin Luther in 1517 when he wrote his 95 thesis and pinned it on a German Catholic church! The whole protestant reformation!? Separating from the church... because they were using the bible as a tool of making people do what they wanted!
@Jeannenyc57 what kind of a sadist are you that you're proud this shithole of a country provoked muslim extremists into killing your brother? you're PROUD of this? you should be ashamed of yourself.
@herrsexyhosen Like I said LEAVE! I would bet you have never been out of your state. I lived in Europe, and have many friends there. However, I love my Country.
I'll even pay for your flight, let me know where you think you will be treated better.
@Jeannenyc57 don't get me wrong. i love it in america. the physical country is beautiful. what i hate are the people who claim to have dominion over my life just because live here and demented twats such as yourself cheering on the death of 9/11 victims.
@Jeannenyc57 so the child is arguing with logic, and the grown up calls names like a kindergartner? you're really making a fool of yourself, and i highly suggest that you stop now.
@803honda South Carolina wants independence? How come? I had no idea any state wanted away from the UK. As a Scottish republican I wish you all the best and one day wish the same for my country. No UK, No Queen and No EU.
I am very glad we swear allegiance to no one in Scotland or in the UK. Gordon Brown wanted us to swear allegiance to the queen but tOO many people, including myself, hate the queen so that never happened.
I really don't have a problem with the pledge of allegiance to the flag.. I would however have a problem with that "allegiance' being transferred to a person.. or the nation (fed gov) that would be a different story. Just because an atheist found a cure for cancer wouldn't make it an un-godly creation per say.
@MsAngelica13 ROFL!!! Free? It is a damn police state to the bone. Brave? With drones that shoot people from miles away... oh yeah, the world is really impressed!
Yeah unless you want something for free then you expect those who are real patriots and successful to provide it for you...in other words instead of " Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" you believe " hey where's mine?"
these kids have absolutely no idea what they are 'pledging' to. The Republic really doesn't exist. Actually sorry I clicked on this makes me wanna puke
what ru smokin?? u make me want to puke... You have no idea where u live do u live in the US? Do you know how great this nation is ? Do you appreciate it? so many have died for you to have the right to talk you euro socialist trash here..
Educate yourself on the the orgins of the "pledge" then come back with some intelligent comment. It was conceived by a socialist for the purpose of brainwashing young minds that have absolutely no idea what the a "Republic" is. If you are intelligent enough to know what socialism is you would recognize the very same thing. "Thou shalt worship no other God" Think about it and do some research.
ahh we don't worship a leader..( mao, hitler, Stalin, saddam ) you know where there are so many statutes erected to the glories leader. we owe our allegiance to the flag and the republic..
ahh that's what schools are for.. to learn.. DOH!!!
@basfranken : if you think its brain washing then you will have to agree that telling a child to go to bed at a certain time, to take baths when they are dirty, not to talk to strangers and study hard in school is also brain washing
nice! no brain washing going on in the good old u s of a then! so glad my kids are free 2 make thier own minds up on where thier loyalties lie (cept when it comes to football!)
Even though I wasn't born here, but as a citizen of this great land, I love America! I will kill anyone who comes here to harm this land that I love and hurt its people!
@anurre5 George Washington and John Adams, the first two Presidents were Federalists, they wanted strong central governments. Guess someone should tell Glenn Beck ;)
liberals stand for hate? your the one stabbing at them....your spreading hate in this situation not them, so shut up and GET OUT i mean you can be a little nicer about it and a little more open minded...ignorance is'nt a good thing...
Ok, well you wouldn't find me saying that pledge. This nation was created under God and it will remain under God. it's so sad how people forget where they come from, and how this country got here. Without God, you wouldn't be here.
The "under God" was added in 1954. It was not original to the pledge. Also, the founding fathers would not have supported this.Our first president perhaps put it best when he said:
@anurre5 Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. I had hoped that liberal and enlightened thought would have reconciled the Christians so that their [not our?] religious fights would not endanger the peace of Society. George Washington Letter to Sir Edward Newenham, June 22, 1792
They added it later because they realized that they needed to mention God as our creator as thomas jefferson mentioned in the Declaration of Independence, as mentioned in thomas paine's common sense, and mentioned in patrick henry's speech. Belief and trust in God was clearly present in the revolutionary leaders and colonists and that's what this nation was built upon. Without God's help there would be no America.
"THEY added it later.." refers to those in 1954. The founding fathers were dead at this time. If it was so important it would have been put into the constitution or the pledge...but it was not. Jefferson was a deist (did not believe in religion) and Washington was the same. Even though they may have believed in some creator (not the christian god) they still felt the need for the 1st amendment! Also, the Declaration wasn't a legal document..meaning no impact on our laws.
They believed in some creator and felt the need to add the 1st amendment so that their freedom and faith could not be abridged. All I think is that if you take under God out of the pledge, that's suiting one group of people - those who don't believe in a Creator. If you don't believe in God, you simply don't say the pledge, and that suits both group of people because those who want to mention God get the chance to, and those who don't want to mention God have the option to not say "under God."
The 1st amendment reads "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment OF religion". Explain to me how having MY country's pledge OFFICIALLY stating "under God" doesn't break this. "you simply don't say the pledge"....are you kidding me? This is my country which has broken the rules this country was founded on. Whether I am religious or not does not matter. How can ANYONE be proud of this? I thought this was America- you know, land of the free and home of the brave.
No one has made a law establishing religion. The pledge isn't a law, so it's not violating any part pf the amendment. No one is forcing you to say "under God". The 1st amendment says "...or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech" The government is gradually limiting the free exercise of religion publicly, and in fact moving farther and farther away from establishing religion. I don't see where anyone has "broken the rules this country was founded on"
The modified version of 1954 on violates the constitutional amendments and therefore is moot. Where does that leave us on arguing our rights within the constitutiohn if we are allowing our own children to pledge themselves in contradiction to The Great Founding Documents? You can see a video of people reciting the original here from the 1939 Film "The Great Man Votes";
I agree. Also, "in god we trust" was ADDED to American coin in 1864 & to paper currency in 1957. These things were not created with god in mind in the first place so I see no harm in removing the word god from them. Everything in this world is subject to change with the times, hopefully change for the better. I see religion is at the center of so much hatred so I feel the removal of god from our government as a good thing. Many different god beliefs seems to divide people not unite them.
I don't know how I go onto this video but what is flag day? We don't have anything like that in the UK, we like a few things a year and thats a load off bull anyway. I'm not having ago at the US there just having ago at the UK. We only have holiday and things to get money out of us.
Hi. We here in America aren't really all that bad. It's our leaders that get us into war all of the time, but most all of us don't approve of it. We never have anyone decent to vote for. Basically our country is run by the rich telling our politicians how to run the country. If we protest we usually get arrested or beat up by our own police. Basically we (as a people) anyway are the same as you. We really are a careing people. Minus our politics that is.
No need to apologize undermatrixx. It's all cool. Actually the multi billionaires are telling the politicians what to do. Including the president. They start wars basically for oil, to make the rich guy even richer and to kill off some of the working class guys to thin the population. That's why John Kennedy was killed by our own government. He tried to stop Viet Nam and he refused to take orders from crooks. So they offed him.
To answer gogogogo100's question. "Under God" was simply a response to the paranoia and fear that persisted during the post-WWII cold war era. It was a way to separate "us" from "them" ('atheistic' commies). Sadly, in our country we're free to believe in/from any religion of political philosophy, at least that's the concept we're supposed to cherish. In a way, by inserting those two little words the enemy we feared struck a great blow that persists to this day.
The first amendment of 1857 to the constitution adds two clauses. 1:The Establishment Claus and 2:The Freedom claus. The government shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion,or the free exercise thereof and The Bill Of Rights grants freedom of the expression of thought. By removing the words "of the United States Of America" and the word "To" from teh pledge of allegiance you can see the original official version.
We should go back to the original pledge, pre 1954. All this revisionism and cultural relativism supporting the "changed Pledge" over the last 50 years has got to stop.
The video shows uniquily american sceiens the background is the pledge of allegience US Pledge to its flag. If you want to make a point of a world pledge then do so, seems to me you might want to reword and spell out your desires. Which by the way I do not disagree with. and incase you havent heard to goal of the NWO Is one world government and if follows their would be one -pledge.And it is one natiom umder God because it is again our pledge. You souind like a Man without a Country,
It is a pledge to the American Flag our flag not the Earths. I fought for it and my budies died for it , not the Earth. When you have your new world order make your own pledge. If it comes to pass dont look for me in the crowd, I would have died to keep it from happening. As for God again it is our pledge, no where does it say God prefers the US over any other country. God to show how much he loved the world gave his only begoten Son, or did you forget that. When he returns your NWO will end.
Who said anything about NWO? I sure as hell don't wan't an NWO. Why the hell do you say "MY" NWO will end? Aren't you jumping into conclusions there buddy? That's the kind of mentality that starts wars in this world. Let me clear up something: I pledge allegiance to the Earth(meaning keeping it clean, protecting it, loving it), and to its people(humans such as yourself, in which I will respect, care and love).I don't blindly align myself to 1 country because its not always correct in actions
Why not Pledge Allegiance to the Earth? Why just America? Remember this is a land founded on immigrants who have come from all over the world.
By the way, why is it "One Nation Under God"? Why not all nations under god? I don't think God loves 1 country more than another(if he did, that would be messed up).
WTH????? oh no...on no no no no no. Flag Day is tomorrow..please exit and move LEFT. thank you. Because we are ONE NATION UNDER GOD. And we all wonder what is wrong with our country...ughhhhhhhh
hm.. capitalism is a sin isnt it?
lakbo3107 3 weeks ago
capitalism is not compatable with the teachings of the bible
and stop agenda 21 people
what is at risk from agenda 21:
•Private Property ownership
•Single-Family homes
•Private car ownership and individual travel choices
•Privately owned farms
Anarchyisthesheit 4 months ago
Whats bad is that they tell you kids to pledge a allegiance to the country with out knowing what is really is. Must 5 or 6 years old dont even know were they live
let a lone know what the pledge of allegiance is.What i think they need to do is wait and tell them what it is.Then ask the kids do they know what it is and then see if they want to pledge of allegiance as a free citizen.
SlipknotMaggotArmy3 5 months ago
I used to do this 5 days a week, every week, every month , every year........but you have to understand....us kids were taught to love our country back then, fight for you and yours and your neighbors on ocassion. Rally true Patriots...RALLY.
sirtom68 5 months ago
yes kids, be good boys and girls, pledge your allegience to a tyrant government that rules us all by the gun...whats more american than that
longfootbuddy 6 months ago
i didn't know there was a song for the pledge lol
daccord1 8 months ago
there was this kid at school that didnt do the pledge and the smartass said "i cant im mexican" i was about to hit him so hard good thing he left.
homestateminnesota7 9 months ago
You know that they added Under God in the fifties? Yes because this country was scared of communism....Our flags stars and stripes should be replaced with shaggy and scooby-doo running for their lives
eddo1983 10 months ago
Honestly, I don't get choked up when I see the American flag. I just see it as a symbol of our nation. I'm not trying to make it seem like I'm some hater of America, because I'm not. I do respect our troops. I just don't like how it says ONE nation under God. God loves everyone, not just our nation.
AmazinMusic17 10 months ago
@AmazinMusic17 I think it says one, meaning we are united, not divided.
KeredwbrowN 8 months ago
we don't mind that you believe in god, its the fact that in the 50's, religious conservatives put the "under god" in there to make it sound like we were protected by a non-existent being. the original had no "under god", it was just "One nation, Indivisible". making, for example, a child who does not believe in an omnipotent being say that. it does technically infringe on the first amendment rights, but not at first glance. Freedom of religion also implies freedom from religion
SuperTheguy1234 1 year ago
@SuperTheguy1234 We don't mind that you don't believe in God, that's your problem. But you can not stupidly say God is a "non-existent being". That is just your opinion, don't try to pass it off as fact.
In NO WAY does Freedom of Religion, mean freedom from religion. You you choose NOT to believe in religion, that is your choice. Freedom of Religion does protect your right not to choose religion, but in no way, does it mean, or imply, freedom FROM religion. It's your freedom OF choice,not from
jonsaguard 1 year ago
@jonsaguard i can easily prove that a god doesn't exist. i don't say it stupidly, i say it with intelligent thought, and a logical process has been used to come to that conclusion. by freedom from religion, i meant exactly what you said. it is the choice to be away from any religious sect.
SuperTheguy1234 1 year ago
@SuperTheguy1234 Yes, you do say it stupidly. Our very existance proves that there is a God. Yor existance proves that God has a sence of humor.
jonsaguard 1 year ago
@jonsaguard ok here is something simple to start you out. We all can make the assumption that the god in the bible/koran/torah is omnipotent, right?
well, can he make a taco so spicy that he can't eat it? or in other words, can he make a boulder so big he can't lift it.
SuperTheguy1234 1 year ago
@SuperTheguy1234 God doesn't eat tacos and he is supporting you and the Earth (including any boulder). Try again.
jonsaguard 1 year ago
One Nation, Indivisible. That is all
DUTWA03 1 year ago
Under god should be taken out. Just my opinion, don't get outraged.
kanmoreti 1 year ago
@kanmoreti Get a new opinion
cj62392 1 year ago 4
@cj62392 Why? I thought this country was about freedom.
kanmoreti 1 year ago
@kanmoreti Which is why i'm free to say what i said and you're free to not listen
cj62392 1 year ago
@kanmoreti We have a Freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion.
jonsaguard 1 year ago 6
@jonsaguard SO apparently no one can be an atheist in America?
kanmoreti 1 year ago
@kanmoreti so, apparently, no one can be religious with out you attacking them for having faith.
jonsaguard 1 year ago 4
@jonsaguard May you please tell me when I attacked anyone for having faith?
kanmoreti 1 year ago
@kanmoreti "May" I? Yes, I will. Look at your stupid comment where you wrongly imply that I think there can not be atheist.
AS I SAID: WE HAVE FREEDOM OF RELIGION. That means you can choose to have religion, or not. If one does chooses religion, that person has a freedom to pick one of his or her liking.
To say: "Under god should be taken out" of the pledge, is, a form of attack to those who Love God.
jonsaguard 1 year ago 3
@jonsaguard "To say: "Under god should be taken out" of the pledge, is, a form of attack to those who Love God." You are WRONG. To say "under god should be taken out" is practising freedom of speech. If I said "You are all stupid for believing in *whatever god you believe in*" than I would be attacking you. The words Under god were added by the knights of Columbus in 1954. The original Pledge was written by a Baptist pastor and socialist called Bellamy, and it said (next comment)
kanmoreti 1 year ago
@kanmoreti I know the words "Under God" were added in 1954, as they should be. Because we are One Nation Under God. And YES, those words of your are an attack. It is not as if I were to call you the most Stupid Dumb Ass there is, but it is still a form of an attack. It's much the same as if I told you to :Go with God, knowing you are an athiest. If I did, would you be offended or feel attacked to an extent?
jonsaguard 1 year ago
@jonsaguard I would not be offended or feel attacked if you said "Go with god". If you feel offended and attacked because I think that it is unconstitutional for government to include religious references in the national motto, the money and the pledge of allegiance, then you have a really big problem, because in the world there will be people criticising everything you believe constantly, and you gotta get used to people disagreeing with you.
kanmoreti 1 year ago
@kanmoreti The problems are many and those problems are yours! 1st of all, how is it unconstitutional? Thats your biggest problem, if you think that. Do you think those 2 little words establish a National Church that you must be a part of? Atheist invented the term "Separation of Church and State". England had The Church of England" which everyone had to accept. That's why, The Constitution, is says: The State Shall not ESTABLISH a Church. The Constitution also gives us a FREEDOM of Religion
jonsaguard 1 year ago 12
This Freedom of Religion allows us to worship as we please, including in public. In your case, you are free not to have to worship, like those in England HAD to do. Freedom OF Religion allows us to pray when we want. It allows us to mention God, privately, publicly, or in Government. Because mentioning God, or talking about God in government IS NOT establishing any religion.
jonsaguard 1 year ago 19
@jonsaguard I agree, but you also have to state that if you are in Government, you cannot ever use your position to promote or endorse a religion. ;o)
PalemoonSun 1 year ago
@jonsaguard Very well phrased!
IDV82atl 11 months ago
@jonsaguard It is unconstitutional because we have a secular government that cannot endorse any religion.
kanmoreti 1 year ago
@kanmoreti Mentioning God DOES NOT ENDORSE anything!
jonsaguard 1 year ago 2
@jonsaguard BUT WHY ADD IT IN THE FIRST PLACE, ISN'T IT BETTER NOT TO MAKE RELIGIOUS REFERENCES SO EVERYONE IS COMFORTABLE?
kanmoreti 1 year ago
@kanmoreti Our laws, through out history, are based on Judo/Christian laws. That is a fact. It is also history. That's why you see some religious references in the Courts and Official documents. I do not know why "Under God" was added to the Pledge and I fully support the Constitutional Right to do so. As I support your right not to love God. Not many thing in this world will make everyone comfortable. I don't like The Civil Liberties Union going after everything religious, but I life with it.
jonsaguard 1 year ago
@jonsaguard No, laws are not based on Judeo/Christian values. But look, I do not really care about politics, it just puzzles me that you felt attacked when I said that the words under god should be remove. And it is NOT that I do not love god, it is that I cannot buy into it. I cannot make myself believe. For you to understand my situation, I would like you to try to believe that the Chronicles of Narnia are completely true from beginning to end. That is how I feel about all religions.
kanmoreti 1 year ago
@kanmoreti, "No, laws are not based on Judeo/Christian values"? What country do you live in? US Laws are most definitely Judo/Christian based. Ask any lawyer or Judge. FAITH! Not just stories, you need faith. I don't have time to explain spirituality to you.
jonsaguard 1 year ago
@jonsaguard I do not need faith, what do I need faith for? Faith is for people that do not care about what is really true.
kanmoreti 1 year ago
@kanmoreti, people with faith, know what the real truth is.
jonsaguard 1 year ago
@jonsaguard Faith: Believing in something for which there is no evidence. Believing in something without a good reason to believe in it. For example, a hindu will tell you that he has the truth, and that all you are wrong. Why is YOUR god real and Krishna is not?
kanmoreti 1 year ago
@kanmoreti, there's ALL KINDS of evidence! But you won't see it, you're too closed minded. You already made up your mind not to see it. If you DON"T want to see it, you won't. You'll see it, when you believe it.
jonsaguard 1 year ago
@jonsaguard I am the very definition of open minded. I advise you to watch a video by youtuber QualiaSoup called "open-mindedness". Open-mindedness means to be open to new ideas. Believing in everything they tell you is NOT open-mindedness, it is credulity. Besides, the very thing you told is is exactly the same thing a muslim told me yesterday about Allah and Mohammed. Does it make me also close-minded not to believe what the muslim told me?
kanmoreti 1 year ago
@kanmoreti NO! No way! You are very closed minded! You are closed to the idea that God exists. Muslims do believe in God. I think you need to do some home work before you embarrass yourself more.
jonsaguard 1 year ago
@jonsaguard I am NOT closed to the idea that god exists. And muslims believe in a different god than you do, and have other beliefs. So what I asked you was if it makes me close minded not to believe the muslim religion instead of the christian religion. Get it? And again, do not confuse credulity with open-mindedness. To believe everything they tell you is credulity. And I believed in god some time ago, therefore I was an open-minded person because I accepted a new idea. You are closeminded.
kanmoreti 1 year ago
@kanmoreti Muslims believe in a different Profit than Christians. Now that I know you do believe that God MAY exist, you would be open minded, except for the fact that you are so closed minded as to refuse to see the obvious, that I am very open minded. What in our conversations, cause you to call me closed minded? Do you know how to comprehend what you read?
jonsaguard 1 year ago
@jonsaguard I think that you are close minded because you are not open to even think that Jesus may no be the real god. And believe, it is not so obvious. Again, I am open-minded about everything. But I have Buddhists telling me that I will be reincarnated, muslims telling me to love muhammed and believe in allah, christians telling me to believe in Jesus, and none of them present persuasive data. I am not close.minded, because I would LIKE to believe all you, I just need confirmation.
kanmoreti 1 year ago
@kanmoreti Not only are you closed minded, you are very forgetful! Reread my responses and you will see how wrong you are about your last statement. I told you that Islam see a different Profit than Christians do. I admitted it again. I do not believe Jesus or Mohammed were God, the were both Profits. If you are closed to the idea that God exists ( you denied him twice), you will not see the confirmation. If you really do want confirmation, I can help.
jonsaguard 1 year ago
@jonsaguard Wait, let's back up. Again, I am not close minded. I know this is gonna be the third time I say this, but I am gonna say it. You are confusing Credulity with Open-mindedness. A credulous person believes in almost everything people tell him. An open-minded person is open to consider new ideas, when those ideas are backed up with persuasive data. I was a catholic, but I was open-minded enough to question myself. And atheism is lack of believe in god.
kanmoreti 1 year ago
@kanmoreti Obviously, you are closed minded. YOU call yourself an atheist. That meas by definition, that you don't believe there is a God. And it is because you are Atheist, that you don't want God in the Pledge. And all this time, you are making up excuses why it is illegal to say God.
As I said, if you are open enough to see proof of God, I can help you.
jonsaguard 1 year ago
@jonsaguard I do call myself an atheist, correct. That means by definition that I believe that there is no god, correct. And the reason that I don't want religious references in the pledge is partly because I am an atheist but also because there are other groups that do not believe in a god (buddhists) or groups that believe in more than one god (hindus). That is the definition of secular, all religions get protected. Would you like the pledge to say "One atheist nation"? I bet you wouldn't.
kanmoreti 1 year ago
@kanmoreti You do NOT have to say the Pledge. No one is forcing you. In the schools, there are many who don't say the pledge. That is not a problem in the schools. And I have a choice not to say "ONE ATHEIST NATION".
jonsaguard 1 year ago
@jonsaguard We do not claim that there is no god. We believe that he or she doesn't exist. Do you see the difference. I have absolutely no idea if there is a god or not. And you don't either. But the fact that I do not know if there is a god, is enough to think there isn't. For example, is there evidence that the loch ness monster does not exist? But, as there is no evidence that there is one, isn't it better to lack belief that he does exist?
kanmoreti 1 year ago
@kanmoreti "We do not claim that there is no god. We believe that he or she doesn't exist." What???? To say that god does not exist IS TO SAY THERE IS NOT GOD. No, I do not see a difference, no one can. YOU LIE! I do not God exist. It's impossible for you to say that with any conscience. AGAIN, for the 4th time, if you do want to see evidence that God exist, I can help you.
jonsaguard 1 year ago
@jonsaguard To believe does not mean to make a positive claim. Do you see the difference there?
kanmoreti 1 year ago
@kanmoreti So, when I said:" You'll see it when you believe it" is not, in your words "Rubbish".
jonsaguard 1 year ago
@jonsaguard Oh, yeah, it is absolutely rubbish.
kanmoreti 1 year ago
@kanmoreti OK, just prove how closed minded you are.
jonsaguard 1 year ago
@jonsaguard No no no no no and no. Asking for proof before believing in something is not close-minded. That is how science works. Before making claims, scientists first have to look for evidence. When they already have the evidence, they start "believing" (knowing is a better word) in something.
kanmoreti 1 year ago
@kanmoreti I have offered 5 times, to show you proofs. You have not show any interest to learn or see evidence. CLOSED MINDED!
jonsaguard 1 year ago
@jonsaguard I know that you have offered five times, but I was just trying to explain to you my reason to be an atheist. So now that I have explained that to you, go ahead and tell me your evidence.
kanmoreti 1 year ago
@kanmoreti Do you believe one can be healed spiritually?
jonsaguard 1 year ago
@jonsaguard No.
kanmoreti 1 year ago
@kanmoreti see your page for the evidence.
jonsaguard 1 year ago
@kanmoreti See your page for the answers.
jonsaguard 1 year ago
@jonsaguard And the "You'll see it, when you believe it." is rubbish. That is not how it works. If you make yourself believe something, then you will look at facts biased, and therefor you will not arrive to an intelligent conclusion. Besides, couldn't I call you close minded for making your mind up and not being open to the fact that there could be no god? Or close minded to the fact that Islam could be the right religion?
kanmoreti 1 year ago
@kanmoreti, It is "rubbish" as long as you believe it to be rubbish. As long as you refuse to allow God and his goodness into your life, You won't "See it". Islam IS the right religion, for some. I am open to that. I am open to some who don't believe in God. It's called "Openness". I don't come up with a statement saying there is no God, like you do. THAT IS VERY CLOSED MINDED. It would be like one telling you: "You must be Christian", or "You must be Islamic, Catholic or Protestant, etc.
jonsaguard 1 year ago
@jonsaguard Wait, I haven't say that "there is no god", I said that I do not believe in god. I haven't told you to be atheist either.
kanmoreti 1 year ago
@kanmoreti So, you admit there is a God, and since saying "Under God" does in no way, ESTABLISH a religion, then there is no problem with those words being in The Pledge. Correct?
jonsaguard 1 year ago
@jonsaguard I haven't admitted that there is a god. And saying "under god" is a religious reference. Therefore. it should be removed.
kanmoreti 1 year ago
@kanmoreti So THAT brings us back to why you are closed minded. THERE IS NOTHING IN ANY LAW ANYWHERE THAT SAYS THERE CAN NOT BE A RELIGIOUS REFERENCE!
jonsaguard 1 year ago
@jonsaguard Actually, it was guys like Jefferson who invented the reasoning behind separation of Church and State, as well as the terminology behind it. ;o)
PalemoonSun 1 year ago
@PalemoonSun Yes, they framed The Constitution. BUT, they provided for FREEDOM OF Religion and never used a term like "Seperation of Church & State". They did not want the State (Government) to ESTABLISH a Religion, like England had with The Church of England. They wanted to be sure Clergy, not Government, ran Churches. Nothing is wrong with having God and Religion in Gov., as long as Gov does not control Religion.
jonsaguard 1 year ago
@jonsaguard I just cannot believe you just told me that our forefathers never said such a thing...
"I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."
-- President Jefferson, 1802, excerpt of his famous letter to the Danbury Baptists.
PalemoonSun 1 year ago
@PalemoonSun, As you mention, this was was from a letter. I said it was not in The Constitution. Big difference. I must congratulat you, you seem much more intelligent that the others on You Tube who argue without knowing anything.
jonsaguard 1 year ago
@jonsaguard And just so you know, that letter by Jefferson to the Baptists of Danbury, Connecticut is housed in the US Library of Congress.
Only takes 30 seconds to verify that. Yet, you still insisted on calling me a liar.
PalemoonSun 1 year ago
@jonsaguard One other thing, if you allow religion into government, what then will stop government from appropriating religion?
Let's go back in time to the Cold War. In the Red Square in Moscow there are cathedrals and churches that are hundreds of years older than the United States. They were never torn down, they were never abolished. Yet, our government called them "atheists", why is that? It was to play on peoples fears, for propaganda purposes.
PalemoonSun 1 year ago
@PalemoonSun, Religion does not need to be abolished from Gov. At the same time, it should not control Government. Are you sure our Government called all Russions Athiest? Or could there be refference of some, in Russia being Athiest?
jonsaguard 1 year ago
@jonsaguard Yes, I'm sure out govt did it. And encouraged it. It was our government who stamped "In God We Trust" on our money simply as a way to differentiate ourselves from the atheist Russians. That because God was on "OUR" side, that we would prevail in any war with the Soviet Union. Funny thing is, we were also in hostilities with Nicaragua who hold "In God We Trust" as their motto since 1912, it was only ours since 1956. So in a 1980's war with Nicaragua, whose wide would God have been on?
PalemoonSun 1 year ago
@jonsaguard And to be honest, the way the Constitution is worded, our government as an entity, is supposed to be atheist in that it is not allowed to show any favoritism to any religion among the citizens of the United States. Yet, since politicians are also citizens, they have their right to worship any way they see fit. What they do not have the right to do, is preach from the public pulpit, nor try and use religion for political grandstanding.
PalemoonSun 1 year ago
@PalemoonSun you have a very liberal/athiest view. The Gov is not "supposed to be atheist "? WHAT? The government was established with a Fredom OF Religion NOT Fredom FROM Religion.Religion was used to frame The Constitution.
jonsaguard 1 year ago
@jonsaguard You are right, we have freedom of religion, or are supposed to. I have the right to worship whatever I want. Where I grew up in Florida, there was a Church of Dionysus, the Greek God of wine and fertility, among other things, and the Church was very promiscuous in that it was perfectly fine to have alcohol and sex whenever you wanted, lol. That is freedom of religion.
The problem arises when one religion tries to force itself on others. That's when the government protects us. Right?
PalemoonSun 1 year ago
@PalemoonSun, some groups do strange things, calling it Religion, that's true. I do not consider Cults are Religion or those who pray to UFOs. Is Religion trying to "Force" itself upon others? There are those who prostilitise and Gov. has stepped in to tell them to get out of the Airports. The Government also told Telemarketers to stop calling. Does that mean telemarketers are forcing themselves upon us? Some would say yes to both. Are either a threat to, or being ESTABLISHED by the Country?
jonsaguard 1 year ago
@jonsaguard I see your point about determining what is being forced and what is being asked. Let me give some examples. You mention telemarketers. If one calls and asks if I want some product and I say no, I expect them to accept that and say goodbye. Anything beyond that reasonable expectation is then forcing themselves on me.
Same with holy rollers. If one shows up at my door asking if I would like to find out about X religion... and I say no thanks, I expect them to then walk away.
PalemoonSun 1 year ago
@PalemoonSun I have been hounded by thosse who say is you don't go to THEIR Church, you will go to Hell, That is wrong, very wrong. My Church would never do that. I believe Chruches are there if you want to go. Please don't feel that all "Churches are the "Holy Rollers' as you call them. There are many beliefs and doctrines to choose from. I am not trying to convince you to think one way or another, just expressing my view about Church & State being able to work together.
jonsaguard 1 year ago
@jonsaguard Continued from previous.... Now if the holy roller does that, fine. However, if they then say "If you close that door on me then you will surely burn in Hell as a non-believer", then hey, that is not only forcing themselves on me, but forcing their beliefs on me. In most instances, I see them as no different than a telemarketer.
You emailed me about what I believe. I'll answer that in my next post as others may wish to know.
PalemoonSun 1 year ago
@PalemoonSun, There are some who say: "If you close that door on me then you will surely burn in Hell as a non-believer", I don't subscribe to that and many other Christians don't either. God is a good God and does not "Punish those who don't believe.
jonsaguard 1 year ago
@jonsaguard What do I believe? 2 things. First, I believe in the ways of nature. That is irrefutable. Second, I believe that a man lived that was named Christus. If we are to believe Tacitus who wrote of Christus in the Annals, then that is also irrefutable. Beyond that, everything is up for debate. So I'm a partial Druid while also being a partial Christian. My "Christian" being that which believes in the existence of the man only. Whose name was Christus, not Jesus.
PalemoonSun 1 year ago
@PalemoonSun You don't think that The Bible is irrefutable?
jonsaguard 1 year ago
@jonsaguard ACTUALLY the first amendment says: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. see that first part. it does not matter if it is not a specific religion, it is respecting the establishment of religion. also, atheists did not invent the term, just saying.
SuperTheguy1234 1 year ago
@SuperTheguy1234, EXACTLY!!! That is what I've been saying. The words "Under God", don't ESTABLISH a religion in any way. Yes, an athiest attorney said the term "Seperation of Church & State" is in The Constitution. That term, or anything like it, are NOT in The Constitution.
jonsaguard 1 year ago
@jonsaguard Atheists invented the term separation of church state? I'm pretty sure that it was Thomas Jefferson you idiot. not pretty sure actually, 100 percent sure. Oh by the way Thomas Jefferson was a deist. Good fight.
TheAngelVids 4 months ago
@TheAngelVids I'm pretty sure it was Martin Luther in 1517 when he wrote his 95 thesis and pinned it on a German Catholic church! The whole protestant reformation!? Separating from the church... because they were using the bible as a tool of making people do what they wanted!
TheGefro 1 month ago
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@jonsaguard I pledge allegiance to my flag and the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for.
kanmoreti 1 year ago
@kanmoreti I forgot to write "all" at the end.
kanmoreti 1 year ago
@herrsexyhosen How dare you moron! See Asian, white, Black.
We have every right to be proud, and teach our children the same.
I lost a brother on 911 , however, I saw my city & my country at their best
that day. All coming to each others aid. No matter WHO did it. United we stand!
Jeannenyc57 1 year ago
@Jeannenyc57 what kind of a sadist are you that you're proud this shithole of a country provoked muslim extremists into killing your brother? you're PROUD of this? you should be ashamed of yourself.
herrsexyhosen 1 year ago
@herrsexyhosen Like I said LEAVE! I would bet you have never been out of your state. I lived in Europe, and have many friends there. However, I love my Country.
I'll even pay for your flight, let me know where you think you will be treated better.
NC? lol
Jeannenyc57 1 year ago
@Jeannenyc57 don't get me wrong. i love it in america. the physical country is beautiful. what i hate are the people who claim to have dominion over my life just because live here and demented twats such as yourself cheering on the death of 9/11 victims.
herrsexyhosen 1 year ago
@herrsexyhosen Like the death of my own brother? Cheering?
Sure, that's what his children , his wife and our family did.
Jeannenyc57 1 year ago
@Jeannenyc57 if you're pledging allegence to the flag of the organization that is solely responsible for killing him, then yes. you are cheering.
herrsexyhosen 1 year ago
@herrsexyhosen OHHHHH, you are 19, I understand now.
Uneducated, ass.
Jeannenyc57 1 year ago
@Jeannenyc57 this inane comment deserves no response.
herrsexyhosen 1 year ago
@herrsexyhosen No, I won't discuss this with a child
Jeannenyc57 1 year ago
@Jeannenyc57 i love how you foamers admit defeat.
herrsexyhosen 1 year ago
@herrsexyhosen You bet , now have your milk & cookies and watch batman, bedtime is soon in Southfucking Carolina
Jeannenyc57 1 year ago
@Jeannenyc57 so the child is arguing with logic, and the grown up calls names like a kindergartner? you're really making a fool of yourself, and i highly suggest that you stop now.
herrsexyhosen 1 year ago
@herrsexyhosen indeed!
803honda 1 year ago
@803honda You dont like it South Carolina, leave now. buh bye
Jeannenyc57 1 year ago
@Jeannenyc57 South Carolina will be leavin your union real soon!
803honda 1 year ago
@803honda zip, dee do dah, less hillbillies!
Jeannenyc57 1 year ago
@803honda South Carolina wants independence? How come? I had no idea any state wanted away from the UK. As a Scottish republican I wish you all the best and one day wish the same for my country. No UK, No Queen and No EU.
I am very glad we swear allegiance to no one in Scotland or in the UK. Gordon Brown wanted us to swear allegiance to the queen but tOO many people, including myself, hate the queen so that never happened.
albabhoy81 1 year ago
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albabhoy81 1 year ago
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@803honda lol sorry. I meant:
'I had no idea any state wanted away from the USA' not the UK :)
albabhoy81 1 year ago
@Jeannenyc57 my only wish is that we can leave pecefully without assholes like you causin problems.
803honda 1 year ago
@803honda Oh noooooooo Be my guest to leave peacefully.
Where are you going? I will throw a party. One less hillybilly state
that I have to support with medicaid & food stamps.
So, have fun!
Jeannenyc57 1 year ago
indocterinate em while they young.
803honda 1 year ago
AMERICa isn't a country, a group of companies!
Wake up Americans; all events happen depending the benefits ıof this companies! NOT for YOU!
You "American Soldier" fight in IRAQ or AFGANISTAN! Do you believe "for AMERICA"?
No No never! Wake up!
erkansent 1 year ago
GOD BLESS YOU ALL
jacoblover981 1 year ago
@jacoblover981 Thank you Jacob, I see you are mature and
not a hater. God Bless you and your family!
From Manhattan, Jeanne
Jeannenyc57 1 year ago
I really don't have a problem with the pledge of allegiance to the flag.. I would however have a problem with that "allegiance' being transferred to a person.. or the nation (fed gov) that would be a different story. Just because an atheist found a cure for cancer wouldn't make it an un-godly creation per say.
God Bless
carlindelco 2 years ago
God bless America!!! The land of the free and the home of the brave!!!!
MsAngelica13 2 years ago
@MsAngelica13 ROFL!!! Free? It is a damn police state to the bone. Brave? With drones that shoot people from miles away... oh yeah, the world is really impressed!
TheThinkerToy 1 year ago
Yeah unless you want something for free then you expect those who are real patriots and successful to provide it for you...in other words instead of " Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" you believe " hey where's mine?"
God Bless America
carlindelco 2 years ago
Great Vid!! God Bless
carlindelco 2 years ago 2
where the colored folks at
hustla9311 2 years ago
I love the United States of America
Long live America
From a Honduran American
leoncatracho 2 years ago
these kids have absolutely no idea what they are 'pledging' to. The Republic really doesn't exist. Actually sorry I clicked on this makes me wanna puke
danielc121162 2 years ago
what ru smokin?? u make me want to puke... You have no idea where u live do u live in the US? Do you know how great this nation is ? Do you appreciate it? so many have died for you to have the right to talk you euro socialist trash here..
God Help You
carlindelco 2 years ago
Educate yourself on the the orgins of the "pledge" then come back with some intelligent comment. It was conceived by a socialist for the purpose of brainwashing young minds that have absolutely no idea what the a "Republic" is. If you are intelligent enough to know what socialism is you would recognize the very same thing. "Thou shalt worship no other God" Think about it and do some research.
danielc121162 2 years ago
ahh we don't worship a leader..( mao, hitler, Stalin, saddam ) you know where there are so many statutes erected to the glories leader. we owe our allegiance to the flag and the republic..
ahh that's what schools are for.. to learn.. DOH!!!
God Bless
carlindelco 2 years ago
seems like brainwashing to me....
basfranken 2 years ago
@basfranken : if you think its brain washing then you will have to agree that telling a child to go to bed at a certain time, to take baths when they are dirty, not to talk to strangers and study hard in school is also brain washing
inkey2 2 years ago
@basfranken
that's cause it is
danielc121162 2 years ago
it's not brainwashing. I live in United States and I say this speach almost every day at school. Everyone has to stand up and salute. :D
Fleur114 2 years ago
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SuedNamuh 2 years ago
nice! no brain washing going on in the good old u s of a then! so glad my kids are free 2 make thier own minds up on where thier loyalties lie (cept when it comes to football!)
misstwisted001 2 years ago
Even though I wasn't born here, but as a citizen of this great land, I love America! I will kill anyone who comes here to harm this land that I love and hurt its people!
TheVchunter 2 years ago
@beyondalohas
Your country's first president was LIBERAL!
anurre5 2 years ago
@anurre5 George Washington and John Adams, the first two Presidents were Federalists, they wanted strong central governments. Guess someone should tell Glenn Beck ;)
kht777 1 year ago
liberals stand for hate? your the one stabbing at them....your spreading hate in this situation not them, so shut up and GET OUT i mean you can be a little nicer about it and a little more open minded...ignorance is'nt a good thing...
Shariof 2 years ago
Ok, well you wouldn't find me saying that pledge. This nation was created under God and it will remain under God. it's so sad how people forget where they come from, and how this country got here. Without God, you wouldn't be here.
Azula1001 2 years ago
@Azula1001
The "under God" was added in 1954. It was not original to the pledge. Also, the founding fathers would not have supported this.Our first president perhaps put it best when he said:
anurre5 2 years ago
@anurre5 Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. I had hoped that liberal and enlightened thought would have reconciled the Christians so that their [not our?] religious fights would not endanger the peace of Society. George Washington Letter to Sir Edward Newenham, June 22, 1792
anurre5 2 years ago
They added it later because they realized that they needed to mention God as our creator as thomas jefferson mentioned in the Declaration of Independence, as mentioned in thomas paine's common sense, and mentioned in patrick henry's speech. Belief and trust in God was clearly present in the revolutionary leaders and colonists and that's what this nation was built upon. Without God's help there would be no America.
Azula1001 2 years ago
@Azula1001
"THEY added it later.." refers to those in 1954. The founding fathers were dead at this time. If it was so important it would have been put into the constitution or the pledge...but it was not. Jefferson was a deist (did not believe in religion) and Washington was the same. Even though they may have believed in some creator (not the christian god) they still felt the need for the 1st amendment! Also, the Declaration wasn't a legal document..meaning no impact on our laws.
anurre5 2 years ago
They believed in some creator and felt the need to add the 1st amendment so that their freedom and faith could not be abridged. All I think is that if you take under God out of the pledge, that's suiting one group of people - those who don't believe in a Creator. If you don't believe in God, you simply don't say the pledge, and that suits both group of people because those who want to mention God get the chance to, and those who don't want to mention God have the option to not say "under God."
Azula1001 2 years ago
@Azula1001
The 1st amendment reads "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment OF religion". Explain to me how having MY country's pledge OFFICIALLY stating "under God" doesn't break this. "you simply don't say the pledge"....are you kidding me? This is my country which has broken the rules this country was founded on. Whether I am religious or not does not matter. How can ANYONE be proud of this? I thought this was America- you know, land of the free and home of the brave.
anurre5 2 years ago
No one has made a law establishing religion. The pledge isn't a law, so it's not violating any part pf the amendment. No one is forcing you to say "under God". The 1st amendment says "...or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech" The government is gradually limiting the free exercise of religion publicly, and in fact moving farther and farther away from establishing religion. I don't see where anyone has "broken the rules this country was founded on"
Azula1001 2 years ago
The modified version of 1954 on violates the constitutional amendments and therefore is moot. Where does that leave us on arguing our rights within the constitutiohn if we are allowing our own children to pledge themselves in contradiction to The Great Founding Documents? You can see a video of people reciting the original here from the 1939 Film "The Great Man Votes";
WiredWitness 2 years ago 2
I agree. Also, "in god we trust" was ADDED to American coin in 1864 & to paper currency in 1957. These things were not created with god in mind in the first place so I see no harm in removing the word god from them. Everything in this world is subject to change with the times, hopefully change for the better. I see religion is at the center of so much hatred so I feel the removal of god from our government as a good thing. Many different god beliefs seems to divide people not unite them.
sisterwitch1692 2 years ago
Justice and liberty for all.
thecubanito09 2 years ago
I don't know how I go onto this video but what is flag day? We don't have anything like that in the UK, we like a few things a year and thats a load off bull anyway. I'm not having ago at the US there just having ago at the UK. We only have holiday and things to get money out of us.
Mooam 2 years ago
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what a gay country.... just stupid people live in that gay usa....where they start war for oil...
undermatrixx 2 years ago
WTF do you mean a gay country.All you pussies were afraid to rebel against King George III.We were the first ones.What country do you live in????
PolandSpirit 2 years ago 2
padrak18 2 years ago
I think thats true. Sorry for my insult.
The military industrial complex is controlling the USA i think.
undermatrixx 2 years ago
padrak18 2 years ago
To answer gogogogo100's question. "Under God" was simply a response to the paranoia and fear that persisted during the post-WWII cold war era. It was a way to separate "us" from "them" ('atheistic' commies). Sadly, in our country we're free to believe in/from any religion of political philosophy, at least that's the concept we're supposed to cherish. In a way, by inserting those two little words the enemy we feared struck a great blow that persists to this day.
troyschnider 2 years ago
UNDER GOD isn't "just two little words"!!!! It's where we are UNDER GOD...and if it wasn't for HIM...YOU wouldn't be here!!!!!
Amjl0485 2 years ago 2
The first amendment of 1857 to the constitution adds two clauses. 1:The Establishment Claus and 2:The Freedom claus. The government shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion,or the free exercise thereof and The Bill Of Rights grants freedom of the expression of thought. By removing the words "of the United States Of America" and the word "To" from teh pledge of allegiance you can see the original official version.
WiredWitness 2 years ago
We should go back to the original pledge, pre 1954. All this revisionism and cultural relativism supporting the "changed Pledge" over the last 50 years has got to stop.
prospero811 2 years ago 2
i like the u.s but sometimes i think there are too patriotic.
77199402064 2 years ago
me too sayin the pledge every day?? wtf
modiebffm 2 years ago
AWESOME..sorry youtube doesn't have more stars to click when I see stuff like this.
SJA1949 2 years ago
The video shows uniquily american sceiens the background is the pledge of allegience US Pledge to its flag. If you want to make a point of a world pledge then do so, seems to me you might want to reword and spell out your desires. Which by the way I do not disagree with. and incase you havent heard to goal of the NWO Is one world government and if follows their would be one -pledge.And it is one natiom umder God because it is again our pledge. You souind like a Man without a Country,
2setufree 2 years ago
It is a pledge to the American Flag our flag not the Earths. I fought for it and my budies died for it , not the Earth. When you have your new world order make your own pledge. If it comes to pass dont look for me in the crowd, I would have died to keep it from happening. As for God again it is our pledge, no where does it say God prefers the US over any other country. God to show how much he loved the world gave his only begoten Son, or did you forget that. When he returns your NWO will end.
2setufree 2 years ago
Who said anything about NWO? I sure as hell don't wan't an NWO. Why the hell do you say "MY" NWO will end? Aren't you jumping into conclusions there buddy? That's the kind of mentality that starts wars in this world. Let me clear up something: I pledge allegiance to the Earth(meaning keeping it clean, protecting it, loving it), and to its people(humans such as yourself, in which I will respect, care and love).I don't blindly align myself to 1 country because its not always correct in actions
hefland 2 years ago
Why not Pledge Allegiance to the Earth? Why just America? Remember this is a land founded on immigrants who have come from all over the world.
By the way, why is it "One Nation Under God"? Why not all nations under god? I don't think God loves 1 country more than another(if he did, that would be messed up).
hefland 2 years ago
WTH????? oh no...on no no no no no. Flag Day is tomorrow..please exit and move LEFT. thank you. Because we are ONE NATION UNDER GOD. And we all wonder what is wrong with our country...ughhhhhhhh
RachTrinity 2 years ago