I like how at the beginning it says to take note and do research. Apparently, the only research done by this post was on anti-Mormon sites and not a true research looking into both sides.
@allmetal71 The Video contents are True. So what are you suggesting? Look for excuses?
I learnt alot of the problems on FAIRS and FARMS LDS apologetic websites ( who despite being LDS etc state quote : " FAIR is not owned, controlled by or affiliated with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. All research and opinions provided on this site are the sole responsibility of FAIR, and should not be interpreted as official statements of LDS doctrine, belief or practice.")
Jesus is the Christ; He loves us all individually and knows us personally. I am grateful to live in an era that has modern day prophets who give clarity and application to scriptures.
I have a testimony of the Bible and the Book of Mormon. They are both the word of God. A testimony of Jesus Christ can be gained by reading both.
Please don't post hateful comments as the purpose of this comment is to uplift and inspire.
The LDS church tells us the bible is mistranslated. Do you have a testimony of its mistranslation?
Yes Jeus may be the Christ ( if you believe that is) and he knows us and loves us but you are using that to recruit for the LDS incorporated.
I read the New Testament and it doesn't have mormonism in it. But you believe that mormonism is missing from it or has been mistranslated,corrupted or simply taken out because J Smith said so.
Check out my recent video about D&C 101:4. Thank you.
Elder Joseph The Church of Christ is surely in the Old and New Testaments. Revelation chapter 12 for starters. But you must read to seek truth and with love otherwise the spirit of God may not be present
Revelation 12 is Your interpretation GIVEN to you by LDS church.
JW's also interprete this verse to suit their THEOLOGY and they will even DIE for their Interpretation and church.
You are no different or any more true than are JW's, though the churches who would agree with you on REV 12 are the Polygamist Mormon Cults around Utah, Arizona and in Canada also.
FLDS- Waren Jeffs would agree with you. Does that mean the spirit of God is present with him?
Elder Joseph, I am truly not trying to provoke an argument or upset you in any way. I can see that you do not want to learn about the Church of Christ but if you have any questions please feel free to ask! Have a good one!
Elder Joseph, What kind of factual basis is presented to back up this thought? If you find that the source you obtained it from is not reputable, then I would question it.
I am not trying to be invoved in an argument so please show respect by not provoking an argument either. If you have a sincere question that is not filled with bitterness I will be more than happy to try to provide an answer for you.
You are right, I am seemingly unqualified to help you with your question.
But why spread hateful messages? I personally do not want to answer at the judgement seat why I dedicated my time spreading hate. If you dedicated your time spreading uplifting material, I believe that you would make a significant impact.
If you dont like the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, it is your choice, but focusing on and spreading disgust will only hurt you in the end.
So why ask me to ask you a question if you then choose to ignore the question and instead run away?
What is the disgust you speak about? I speak about the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Days saints and what their leaders have been doing and have taught.
Don't you care about people? Doesn't it concern you if I was to ask for other mens wives during Sacrament claiming God had commanded it? You would not warn your fellow brothers and sisters of this and see them led away in error?
'simply admitting I don't know the answer to the question you are asking'
Well you can change all that with some effort and research.
Ignorance is no excuse to continue propagating a cult leader Joseph Smith and a church which decieves its members/investigators and its leaders secretly marry their wives and underage teen girls under the guise of 'religion'.
You do not care about people. You only care about RECRUITING them into the CULT. I have seen it for two years.
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. (Rev 12-17).
I am sorry you have such bitter feelings. I will not respond to you anymore. Jesus Christ loves you and wants you to focus on things that are good for your soul and salvation. Good Luck Elder Joseph
According to JW's thats talking about them and not Mormons.
The LDS church doesn't even believe the bible is translated correctly anyway so your testimony is based on what Joseph Smith told you to believe and that included giving your wives and teen daughters to him in polygamous marriage and behind his wife's Emma back.
I can have respect for that; most Mormons I've known or debated cannot say that at all.
Regarding what's being posted about Mormonism, we can prove all of it with your own texts and/or the standards of Orson Pratt (reason, logical arguments, and the Scriptures).
Adam was taught to be God. The Mormon jesus is the product of incest. The church lied about polygamy. I can prove all of these things to be facts and have not been deceived.
@moparmonster1965 Thank you for not being disrespectful. I am not a scholar by any means and yes the church has had a rough history at times. What I know is this. When I am striving to follow the church teachings, I find myself being more kind to people, more temperate, more humble, more peaceful, more productive, more forgiving, more accepting of differing views. I find myself being filled with a genuine love for people and a love for god. I am a better person when I follow the church.
And he couldn't be so unsure as to his own nature since the god of the BOM is an eternal triune spirit whereas the god of modern Mormonism is an exalted man, one with flesh and bone, separate and distinct from Jesus and the Holy Spirit, could he?
And yes, those are good things, but if the church has been so wrong in the past, how can you be so sure that it's right now?
Just because you're following the church doesn't mean you're following God. If Jesus were the perfect man, God incarnate, and the savior of mankind, he couldn't possibly make a mistake like we find in 3 Nephi 20:23-25, could he?
@moparmonster1965 My testimony is born of God not of man. Thats how I know its right. I have the holy ghost with me and I am able to discern between truth and error. I challenge you to memorize your favorite scripture, no matter which one it is and the next time you are tempted, no matter what temptations you struggle with, say the scripture out loud or in your head and watch the tempation disappear. Tempation always comes back but your armor will thicken.
You haven't answered my questions but rather fell back to a rather general response that I've heard a thousand times before. WHat this shows is that Mormonism relies on feelings, not facts, and is the reason that one of my favorite Biblical verses is 1 Thess 5:21: "Prove all things and hold fast to that which is good."
If even the Bible tells us not to tke its word for it, why would you then trust your feelings? Isn't the heart deceitful above all things? (my other favorite verse)
@moparmonster1965 Perhaps I can't answer your questions in detail as I pointed out that I am not a scholar. Instead what I am doing is giving you something you can apply directly to your life to see for yourself that this is truth. I see nothing general about that. Instead it is very direct. I am just trying to help out. Don't get so hung up on only looking at fact. Allow the Holy Ghost to testify to your soul the truth.
Of course facts are important because while they don't create our faith, they confirm it. That's the reason that there are som many videos here trying to tie BOM events to the Mayas, Incas, Toltecs, and Aztecs, all unsuccessfully. Eve Thomas Stuart Ferguson tried to do exactly that and left Mexico an apostate.
I guess what I'm asking is why, with no evidence to support your claims, would you simply trust your feelings when they are clearly not to be trusted as found in the Bible?
When a missionary asks one to pray overt the BOM, there's really only one correct answer, and that's that it's true. If you get a negative answer, there's a problem with you, not with the book.
How can truthfully exposing Mormonism be a hateful?. J Smith started the issue declareing all non Mormon worship anathema while Simultaneously affirming Mormonism, his Polygamy Revelation nullifies all non Mormon marriages and contracts. The Abraham Papyrus was very wrong. In Joshia Priest's "American Antiquities and Discoveries in the West", p. 304-335 pub. Letters between CHAMPOLLION and CS Rafenisque on Ancient American Languages. Joe had opportunity thru Freemason libraries and he missed
Elder: the music is pretty melodramtic, but as for your points:
1. Why do you continue to focus on the translating issue: it's a non-issue with most everyone but you.
2. Knowledge of that era is increasing and there is growing evidence that the scrolls were more than what today's "experts" show. (Science isn't static is it??)
3. All rehashed babble: there is nothing there.
4. Sorry wrong again: this was stated by William Clayton, an apostate and enemy to Joseph.
I like the music. And also the music for Head in His Hat... The translating process isn't an issue? Ha ha. Do you know why Joe used a white hat? D. Whitmer and J.C. Bennet both described an "Old WHite Hat".
If it's the power of god, why the seer stones, giant Spec's with diamonds, head in a hat and putting the plates in a different location? Did you know he used Uma Thurmin to translate the plates?! I think it was her....
Yes, Joseph Smith got&grabbed the pair of Uma n' Thurman and perceived the celestial kingdom. The Uma /Thurman were a pair of nice globes that Joseph Hung on his face and used to translate the BofM. J. Smiths mothers' biography of him states clearly that the Uma Thurman were dear to him and he kept it close to his body. djwright might be right: perhaps we should just stop this disputation and face the light of Joe and see what truth is revealed ...We shall use the light of Uma n' Thurman .
Many of these posts demonstrate how ignorant mormons are regarding what their religion teaches. A lot of mormons never research their own history. They're content with the version they are taught in sunday school; where they are told others distort history to discredit the church. Imagine my supprise when I discovered it is the church that distorts history.
Its hard to comprehend how bad the distortion really is. The church is still lying and distorting its own history in the latest Joseph Smith Presidents of the Church Teaching Manual.
It's really quite serious to deceive people the way they are doing. I brand them as behaving like CULTS like JW's and Moonies.
Again you spread lies - There is no record of Joseph Smith translating the Kinderhook bell. "Presently genetic research has revealed no descendant of Joseph Smith through any woman other than his first and only publicly acknowledged legal wife, Emma Smith" Isn't that a little odd if he consumated 33 marriages? It has not been proven that Fannie Alger was his wife
The Kinderhook bell is in your own church history and in your own church Newspaper publications at the time. I'm not going to get into detail as you can do the research yourself if you are really interested.
Joseph Smith declared he knew what they were about having translated a portion of them.
changenow There are many afidavits which prove Joseph Smith bedded some of the women. What is the point of his marriages when D&C 132 declares that he hath not committed adultery because they (polygamous wives) are given to him.
You are just confusing the whole issue with your reactionary riddles.
Look at D&C 132 at the introduction. principles of Polygamy known to him since 1831. Backdated by the church to conveniently fit in the 'romp' with Fanny Alger.
changenow Further more I believe Joseph Smith only had one wife(Emma) All those others were his victims.
They were robbed of a meaningful life as a result for allowing themselves to be duped.
Look at Mormon prophet Warren Jeffs and how many of those women testify they know without a doubt and every fibre of their being through the H ghost that Warren Jeffs is Gods Prophet.
Are you suggesting they are mistaken?Have you met Warren Jeffs and prayed about him with a sincere heart and real intent?
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Everything in this video is a LIE. Mormons do NOT believe any of it. Jesus of Nazareth born of the VIRGIN Mary. Jesus is our ONE true God and Savior in him alone do we place our faith.
Learn the truth, not bigoted propaganda! I believe in freedom of speach but let us not is put my people in danger because of these LIES.
The Mormon doctorine clearly states that God came down to Earth in his Earthly Body, married Mary and consummated that marraige with her, producing Jesus. Ergo, she was no virgin.
The church places the words of the Prophet about Jesus above all else. They don't teach that you should love Jesus above all, but that you should love the Church above all.
These are some very big differences. Learn about your religion before you start spouting off "facts".
You know, I have never run across this in any of the Mormon doctrine. It must be some esoteric work. Can you cite me a bibliographical quality text that supports that "clearly?"
ahburner But it was all over the Times and Seasons church newspaper that he 'had translated a portion of them' ( and in church history), he was saving them for his next ideas as he needed them but was killed soon after and never got to give us his latest nonsense.Same with the book of Joseph on the egyptian funeral papyri,
No prophet afterwards has continued with it, why not ???
look why do you even care what we do? im mormon, and this clip is a LIE! and all of you are idiots for even believing it! so why dont you actually read the book of mormon...and actually study...and ull see for yourself if its true or not...so why dont you just leave us alone!?
Elder Joseph why persecute Mormons when you believe in Benny Hinn. Man you got to be messed up to watch that Preacher of self fame and glory for wealth. Maybe thats it EJ, your after the Benny Hinn syndrome like preacher?
ahburner Its a very deceptive of you to accuse this video of being 'all' lies.
People can and will find out for themselves.I spent nearly 3 years with Mormons and know how deceptive you are as an organisation.You are indoctrinated in the same manner as JW's and Scientologists.
ahburner Of course Mormons don't want to believe this. lol Its their own awful history and reality and shows what hasn't been taught to them in the church CES system.
man im telling you man this statement here made by this person is all wrong. if mormons are teaching that there is a right or a true church then im sorry they're wrong.john 14:6 says "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." not thru a church not thru doing good works but thru him jesus christ. if you dont beleive in that scripture then you dont belive inthat the bible says.
Kumotte I'm not a Mormon Hater first of all .I love Mormons.This video is not about you , it's about your leaders.They are just imposters and not really servants of Jesus Christ.You can check the church history to confirm this.Jesus warned of such false Apostles and workers of deception.Free yourself.
artemis thats because you are just a young kid and klnow very little .If you go on amission you will be taught to lie and hide things from investigators .
artemis Yes you are right ... Your church deceives people the way it goes about getting converts and it lies about its true history . Ask your parents about joseph Smith putting his head in a hat while the plates were not in sight when supposedly translating .
artemis Your Parents better wake up .The whole book Of Mormon was done with his head in a hat . NO URIM OR THUMMIM .Joseph Smith lied about that also ! Its easy to find out , search for Russel M Nelsons talk on lds website called A Treasured Testament , its on there .. HEAD IN A HAT and PEEPstone .The church hides it from you and teaches you bullshit in seminary etc .
did you have a childhood? did your parents hug you? really..or some priest fucking raped you? and now you're against churches....really..you scare me for real
artemis ... You are not worthy . You must never serve a mission.... see your bishop about the repentance process , he might be able to help you .Don't tell him about the head in a hat , my bishop hasn't a clue ( the dumb idiot ) !
Thanks for the video, Elder Joseph, I need to point out one error you made though, and I know you know this. I think you mean't to say (in your point 2), that Joseph Smith translated with the papyrus, the "Book of Abraham" of the "Pearl of Great Price". Not the complete "Pearl of Great Price", of which the "Book of Abraham is but one section. 5 stars
BigLon.Thank you , you are correct , Yes only the Book Of Abraham was supposedly on the Papyrus Scroll ...the Book of Moses part was written by divine revelation and not on the papyrus .( if you really believe he had any divine help that is ).
I like how at the beginning it says to take note and do research. Apparently, the only research done by this post was on anti-Mormon sites and not a true research looking into both sides.
allmetal71 6 months ago
@allmetal71 The Video contents are True. So what are you suggesting? Look for excuses?
I learnt alot of the problems on FAIRS and FARMS LDS apologetic websites ( who despite being LDS etc state quote : " FAIR is not owned, controlled by or affiliated with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. All research and opinions provided on this site are the sole responsibility of FAIR, and should not be interpreted as official statements of LDS doctrine, belief or practice.")
???
ElderJoseph 6 months ago
@ElderJoseph - I didn't say look for excuses, but if you did research then you would know that your statements are not entirely accurate.
allmetal71 6 months ago
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joevane 1 year ago
Jesus is the Christ; He loves us all individually and knows us personally. I am grateful to live in an era that has modern day prophets who give clarity and application to scriptures.
I have a testimony of the Bible and the Book of Mormon. They are both the word of God. A testimony of Jesus Christ can be gained by reading both.
Please don't post hateful comments as the purpose of this comment is to uplift and inspire.
Jbizquik 2 years ago
The LDS church tells us the bible is mistranslated. Do you have a testimony of its mistranslation?
Yes Jeus may be the Christ ( if you believe that is) and he knows us and loves us but you are using that to recruit for the LDS incorporated.
I read the New Testament and it doesn't have mormonism in it. But you believe that mormonism is missing from it or has been mistranslated,corrupted or simply taken out because J Smith said so.
Check out my recent video about D&C 101:4. Thank you.
ElderJoseph 2 years ago
Elder Joseph The Church of Christ is surely in the Old and New Testaments. Revelation chapter 12 for starters. But you must read to seek truth and with love otherwise the spirit of God may not be present
Jbizquik 2 years ago
Revelation 12 is Your interpretation GIVEN to you by LDS church.
JW's also interprete this verse to suit their THEOLOGY and they will even DIE for their Interpretation and church.
You are no different or any more true than are JW's, though the churches who would agree with you on REV 12 are the Polygamist Mormon Cults around Utah, Arizona and in Canada also.
FLDS- Waren Jeffs would agree with you. Does that mean the spirit of God is present with him?
ElderJoseph 2 years ago
Elder Joseph, I am truly not trying to provoke an argument or upset you in any way. I can see that you do not want to learn about the Church of Christ but if you have any questions please feel free to ask! Have a good one!
Jbizquik 2 years ago
jbiz Yes I have a question. Why was Joseph Smith asking his followers to give their wives over to him?
and why did Joseph Smith marry the wives of other men?
ElderJoseph 2 years ago
Elder Joseph, What kind of factual basis is presented to back up this thought? If you find that the source you obtained it from is not reputable, then I would question it.
I am not trying to be invoved in an argument so please show respect by not provoking an argument either. If you have a sincere question that is not filled with bitterness I will be more than happy to try to provide an answer for you.
Good luck Elder Joseph
Jbizquik 2 years ago
'What kind of factual basis is presented to back up this thought? '
Its documented from church member diaries and testimonies.
Todd Compton LDS Author has collected it together in his book In Sacred Loneliness.
Its in the Journal Of Discourses for asking for other mens wives.
Richard Bushman BYU authority on the life of Joseph Smith affirms Smith marrying other mens wives..
If you don't know these things then what help are you? You seemingly are not qualified to help.
ElderJoseph 2 years ago
You are right, I am seemingly unqualified to help you with your question.
But why spread hateful messages? I personally do not want to answer at the judgement seat why I dedicated my time spreading hate. If you dedicated your time spreading uplifting material, I believe that you would make a significant impact.
If you dont like the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, it is your choice, but focusing on and spreading disgust will only hurt you in the end.
Best of Luck sir!
Jbizquik 2 years ago
So why ask me to ask you a question if you then choose to ignore the question and instead run away?
What is the disgust you speak about? I speak about the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Days saints and what their leaders have been doing and have taught.
Don't you care about people? Doesn't it concern you if I was to ask for other mens wives during Sacrament claiming God had commanded it? You would not warn your fellow brothers and sisters of this and see them led away in error?
ElderJoseph 2 years ago
Elder Joseph,
I am not running away, simply admitting I don't know the answer to the question you are asking. Thats all.
Of course I, and we, of the church care about people. I mean this in a respectful way:
Material is being posted about "Exposing Mormons" and attacking those who agree with the religion. Perhaps it is not "Mormons" who are being decieved.
Jbizquik 2 years ago
'simply admitting I don't know the answer to the question you are asking'
Well you can change all that with some effort and research.
Ignorance is no excuse to continue propagating a cult leader Joseph Smith and a church which decieves its members/investigators and its leaders secretly marry their wives and underage teen girls under the guise of 'religion'.
You do not care about people. You only care about RECRUITING them into the CULT. I have seen it for two years.
ElderJoseph 2 years ago
This is prophesied in scripture:
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. (Rev 12-17).
I am sorry you have such bitter feelings. I will not respond to you anymore. Jesus Christ loves you and wants you to focus on things that are good for your soul and salvation. Good Luck Elder Joseph
Jbizquik 2 years ago
'This is prophesied in scripture'
According to JW's thats talking about them and not Mormons.
The LDS church doesn't even believe the bible is translated correctly anyway so your testimony is based on what Joseph Smith told you to believe and that included giving your wives and teen daughters to him in polygamous marriage and behind his wife's Emma back.
Where is that in Revelation?
ElderJoseph 2 years ago
I can have respect for that; most Mormons I've known or debated cannot say that at all.
Regarding what's being posted about Mormonism, we can prove all of it with your own texts and/or the standards of Orson Pratt (reason, logical arguments, and the Scriptures).
Adam was taught to be God. The Mormon jesus is the product of incest. The church lied about polygamy. I can prove all of these things to be facts and have not been deceived.
moparmonster1965 1 year ago
@moparmonster1965 Thank you for not being disrespectful. I am not a scholar by any means and yes the church has had a rough history at times. What I know is this. When I am striving to follow the church teachings, I find myself being more kind to people, more temperate, more humble, more peaceful, more productive, more forgiving, more accepting of differing views. I find myself being filled with a genuine love for people and a love for god. I am a better person when I follow the church.
Jbizquik 1 year ago
And he couldn't be so unsure as to his own nature since the god of the BOM is an eternal triune spirit whereas the god of modern Mormonism is an exalted man, one with flesh and bone, separate and distinct from Jesus and the Holy Spirit, could he?
moparmonster1965 1 year ago
And yes, those are good things, but if the church has been so wrong in the past, how can you be so sure that it's right now?
Just because you're following the church doesn't mean you're following God. If Jesus were the perfect man, God incarnate, and the savior of mankind, he couldn't possibly make a mistake like we find in 3 Nephi 20:23-25, could he?
moparmonster1965 1 year ago
@moparmonster1965 My testimony is born of God not of man. Thats how I know its right. I have the holy ghost with me and I am able to discern between truth and error. I challenge you to memorize your favorite scripture, no matter which one it is and the next time you are tempted, no matter what temptations you struggle with, say the scripture out loud or in your head and watch the tempation disappear. Tempation always comes back but your armor will thicken.
Jbizquik 1 year ago
You haven't answered my questions but rather fell back to a rather general response that I've heard a thousand times before. WHat this shows is that Mormonism relies on feelings, not facts, and is the reason that one of my favorite Biblical verses is 1 Thess 5:21: "Prove all things and hold fast to that which is good."
If even the Bible tells us not to tke its word for it, why would you then trust your feelings? Isn't the heart deceitful above all things? (my other favorite verse)
moparmonster1965 1 year ago
@moparmonster1965 Perhaps I can't answer your questions in detail as I pointed out that I am not a scholar. Instead what I am doing is giving you something you can apply directly to your life to see for yourself that this is truth. I see nothing general about that. Instead it is very direct. I am just trying to help out. Don't get so hung up on only looking at fact. Allow the Holy Ghost to testify to your soul the truth.
Jbizquik 1 year ago
Of course facts are important because while they don't create our faith, they confirm it. That's the reason that there are som many videos here trying to tie BOM events to the Mayas, Incas, Toltecs, and Aztecs, all unsuccessfully. Eve Thomas Stuart Ferguson tried to do exactly that and left Mexico an apostate.
moparmonster1965 1 year ago
I guess what I'm asking is why, with no evidence to support your claims, would you simply trust your feelings when they are clearly not to be trusted as found in the Bible?
When a missionary asks one to pray overt the BOM, there's really only one correct answer, and that's that it's true. If you get a negative answer, there's a problem with you, not with the book.
moparmonster1965 1 year ago
@moparmonster1965 I understand what you are saying. Lets put scriptures aside for a moment.
Its nice to meet you. my real name is Jeremy, I am in business school right now. How about you?
Jbizquik 1 year ago
How can truthfully exposing Mormonism be a hateful?. J Smith started the issue declareing all non Mormon worship anathema while Simultaneously affirming Mormonism, his Polygamy Revelation nullifies all non Mormon marriages and contracts. The Abraham Papyrus was very wrong. In Joshia Priest's "American Antiquities and Discoveries in the West", p. 304-335 pub. Letters between CHAMPOLLION and CS Rafenisque on Ancient American Languages. Joe had opportunity thru Freemason libraries and he missed
IExposeMormonism 2 years ago
Elder: the music is pretty melodramtic, but as for your points:
1. Why do you continue to focus on the translating issue: it's a non-issue with most everyone but you.
2. Knowledge of that era is increasing and there is growing evidence that the scrolls were more than what today's "experts" show. (Science isn't static is it??)
3. All rehashed babble: there is nothing there.
4. Sorry wrong again: this was stated by William Clayton, an apostate and enemy to Joseph.
5. Old news yawn.
djwright44 2 years ago
I like the music. And also the music for Head in His Hat... The translating process isn't an issue? Ha ha. Do you know why Joe used a white hat? D. Whitmer and J.C. Bennet both described an "Old WHite Hat".
IExposeMormonism 2 years ago
Yes, the translating process isn't a big deal: Joseph translated by the power of God.
"Fools mock"
djwright44 2 years ago
If it's the power of god, why the seer stones, giant Spec's with diamonds, head in a hat and putting the plates in a different location? Did you know he used Uma Thurmin to translate the plates?! I think it was her....
IExposeMormonism 2 years ago
I didn't realize she was that old...silly me.
FalseSaintsLDS 2 years ago
More likely he was listening to those pesky voices in his head.
FalseSaintsLDS 2 years ago
Yes, Joseph Smith got&grabbed the pair of Uma n' Thurman and perceived the celestial kingdom. The Uma /Thurman were a pair of nice globes that Joseph Hung on his face and used to translate the BofM. J. Smiths mothers' biography of him states clearly that the Uma Thurman were dear to him and he kept it close to his body. djwright might be right: perhaps we should just stop this disputation and face the light of Joe and see what truth is revealed ...We shall use the light of Uma n' Thurman .
IExposeMormonism 2 years ago
Many of these posts demonstrate how ignorant mormons are regarding what their religion teaches. A lot of mormons never research their own history. They're content with the version they are taught in sunday school; where they are told others distort history to discredit the church. Imagine my supprise when I discovered it is the church that distorts history.
whizwhitney 3 years ago
Its hard to comprehend how bad the distortion really is. The church is still lying and distorting its own history in the latest Joseph Smith Presidents of the Church Teaching Manual.
It's really quite serious to deceive people the way they are doing. I brand them as behaving like CULTS like JW's and Moonies.
ElderJoseph 3 years ago
Again you spread lies - There is no record of Joseph Smith translating the Kinderhook bell. "Presently genetic research has revealed no descendant of Joseph Smith through any woman other than his first and only publicly acknowledged legal wife, Emma Smith" Isn't that a little odd if he consumated 33 marriages? It has not been proven that Fannie Alger was his wife
changenow777 3 years ago
The Kinderhook bell is in your own church history and in your own church Newspaper publications at the time. I'm not going to get into detail as you can do the research yourself if you are really interested.
Joseph Smith declared he knew what they were about having translated a portion of them.
ElderJoseph 3 years ago
changenow There are many afidavits which prove Joseph Smith bedded some of the women. What is the point of his marriages when D&C 132 declares that he hath not committed adultery because they (polygamous wives) are given to him.
You are just confusing the whole issue with your reactionary riddles.
Look at D&C 132 at the introduction. principles of Polygamy known to him since 1831. Backdated by the church to conveniently fit in the 'romp' with Fanny Alger.
google 'wives of Joseph smith'
ElderJoseph 3 years ago
changenow Further more I believe Joseph Smith only had one wife(Emma) All those others were his victims.
They were robbed of a meaningful life as a result for allowing themselves to be duped.
Look at Mormon prophet Warren Jeffs and how many of those women testify they know without a doubt and every fibre of their being through the H ghost that Warren Jeffs is Gods Prophet.
Are you suggesting they are mistaken?Have you met Warren Jeffs and prayed about him with a sincere heart and real intent?
ElderJoseph 3 years ago
He had a low sperm count and they were not good swimmers.
MACKATTACK1970 2 years ago
^--Click on "abhurner" to learn THE TRUTH ABOUT MORMONS
Everything in this video is a LIE. Mormons do NOT believe any of it. Jesus of Nazareth born of the VIRGIN Mary. Jesus is our ONE true God and Savior in him alone do we place our faith.
Learn the truth, not bigoted propaganda! I believe in freedom of speach but let us not is put my people in danger because of these LIES.
ahburner 3 years ago
The Mormon doctorine clearly states that God came down to Earth in his Earthly Body, married Mary and consummated that marraige with her, producing Jesus. Ergo, she was no virgin.
The church places the words of the Prophet about Jesus above all else. They don't teach that you should love Jesus above all, but that you should love the Church above all.
These are some very big differences. Learn about your religion before you start spouting off "facts".
delicflower13x3 3 years ago
You know, I have never run across this in any of the Mormon doctrine. It must be some esoteric work. Can you cite me a bibliographical quality text that supports that "clearly?"
gilbrilthor 3 years ago
Also, you say you believe in freedom of speech??
"This movie is all LIES please FLAG IT for promoting religious hatred and violence"(a quote from you)
Ahburner, apparently you only believe in that freedom for people who believe as you do, which is NOT freedom of speech.
"If we don't believe in freedom of expression for
people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."
-Noam Chomsky
delicflower13x3 3 years ago
Spamming for the lord, eh?
fubecabr 3 years ago
^---Click Here on "ahburner" to learn THE TRUTH ABOUT MORMONS
This movie is evil: Jesus Christ of Nazareth born of the VIRGIN Mary is the ONE true God, in him alone do we place our faith.
I am a Saint of these last days (ie a Mormon) and these claims are all false.
ahburner 3 years ago
ahburner What exactly is false about it ? explain please.
What claims are false ? They are all in your own church records.
ElderJoseph 3 years ago
For one: The Kinderhook Bells were NEVER translated by Joseph, he refused.
ahburner 3 years ago
ahburner But it was all over the Times and Seasons church newspaper that he 'had translated a portion of them' ( and in church history), he was saving them for his next ideas as he needed them but was killed soon after and never got to give us his latest nonsense.Same with the book of Joseph on the egyptian funeral papyri,
No prophet afterwards has continued with it, why not ???
ElderJoseph 3 years ago
Maybe he wasn't paid enough.
Because I think that Joseph Smith would have translated anything for the right price.
MACKATTACK1970 2 years ago
look why do you even care what we do? im mormon, and this clip is a LIE! and all of you are idiots for even believing it! so why dont you actually read the book of mormon...and actually study...and ull see for yourself if its true or not...so why dont you just leave us alone!?
cmiller1118584 2 years ago
Elder Joseph why persecute Mormons when you believe in Benny Hinn. Man you got to be messed up to watch that Preacher of self fame and glory for wealth. Maybe thats it EJ, your after the Benny Hinn syndrome like preacher?
riversideharp 3 years ago
^------- Click here
on "ahburner"
To learn the TRUTH about MORMONISM
This movie is all LIES please FLAG IT for promoting religious hatred and violence
ahburner 3 years ago
ahburner Its a very deceptive of you to accuse this video of being 'all' lies.
People can and will find out for themselves.I spent nearly 3 years with Mormons and know how deceptive you are as an organisation.You are indoctrinated in the same manner as JW's and Scientologists.
ElderJoseph 3 years ago
This movie is all TRUTH common??? It's a huge LIE. Mormons do not believe any of this.
ahburner 3 years ago
ahburner Of course Mormons don't want to believe this. lol Its their own awful history and reality and shows what hasn't been taught to them in the church CES system.
Its just a cultish deception like JW's.
ElderJoseph 3 years ago
man im telling you man this statement here made by this person is all wrong. if mormons are teaching that there is a right or a true church then im sorry they're wrong.john 14:6 says "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." not thru a church not thru doing good works but thru him jesus christ. if you dont beleive in that scripture then you dont belive inthat the bible says.
itsmeeh206 3 years ago
artemiskunzite -"i formly belive the "mormon" church IS actually god's true church on earth"
itsmeeh206 3 years ago
oh, and p.s
you say in the last little bit
"the truth will set you free" or something like that.
what if we don't want to be 'free'?
what if we like what we believe? it's got nothing to do with you, so just leave it, okay? we all already know you're a mormon hater.
Kumotte 4 years ago
Kumotte I'm not a Mormon Hater first of all .I love Mormons.This video is not about you , it's about your leaders.They are just imposters and not really servants of Jesus Christ.You can check the church history to confirm this.Jesus warned of such false Apostles and workers of deception.Free yourself.
ElderJoseph 4 years ago
Amen......srry....i dont hate mormons...i juss dont like the religion
liifuega 3 years ago
Thank you for understanding me :)
ElderJoseph 3 years ago
-_- you really shouldn't use the goo flowing thing
i don't agree with everything you say here, but i'd like to know what you think
but i'm getting bored of waiting for the goo to flow down so i can read it
Kumotte 4 years ago
I knew about the stones in the hat and so did a life long Mormon friend of mine.
River2u 4 years ago
The way we were taught? By whom? I have not been taught anything. This is just another curiosity. Praise knowledge!
hamwinkie 4 years ago
yes, i formly belive the "mormon" church IS actually god's true church on earth
artemiskunzite 4 years ago
artemis thats because you are just a young kid and klnow very little .If you go on amission you will be taught to lie and hide things from investigators .
ElderJoseph 4 years ago
nope..at all, you have something personal about the mormons and about the church..FACE IT
artemiskunzite 4 years ago
artemis Yes you are right ... Your church deceives people the way it goes about getting converts and it lies about its true history . Ask your parents about joseph Smith putting his head in a hat while the plates were not in sight when supposedly translating .
ElderJoseph 4 years ago
they said that statemant was not true :)
artemiskunzite 4 years ago
artemis Your Parents better wake up .The whole book Of Mormon was done with his head in a hat . NO URIM OR THUMMIM .Joseph Smith lied about that also ! Its easy to find out , search for Russel M Nelsons talk on lds website called A Treasured Testament , its on there .. HEAD IN A HAT and PEEPstone .The church hides it from you and teaches you bullshit in seminary etc .
ElderJoseph 4 years ago
did you have a childhood? did your parents hug you? really..or some priest fucking raped you? and now you're against churches....really..you scare me for real
artemiskunzite 4 years ago
artemis ... You are not worthy . You must never serve a mission.... see your bishop about the repentance process , he might be able to help you .Don't tell him about the head in a hat , my bishop hasn't a clue ( the dumb idiot ) !
ElderJoseph 4 years ago
how old a are u? 50? 55? wow..you're so old and yet so immature, stupid and PATHETIC..to put stupid videos about mormons on you tube.. LMAO
artemiskunzite 4 years ago
Keep up the good work Elder Joseph!
IndependentConserv 5 years ago
Thanks for the video, Elder Joseph, I need to point out one error you made though, and I know you know this. I think you mean't to say (in your point 2), that Joseph Smith translated with the papyrus, the "Book of Abraham" of the "Pearl of Great Price". Not the complete "Pearl of Great Price", of which the "Book of Abraham is but one section. 5 stars
BigLon 5 years ago
BigLon.Thank you , you are correct , Yes only the Book Of Abraham was supposedly on the Papyrus Scroll ...the Book of Moses part was written by divine revelation and not on the papyrus .( if you really believe he had any divine help that is ).
ElderJoseph 5 years ago