Amen to that prudence42 it's the music that matters stuff the vpolotics my mother was a northern irish protestant but she tauaght me such beautiful "Irish" songs from the north and south. Bless you Luke the best folk singer ever!!!!
I'm not fuckin kidding! There is a whole generation of people who are fuckin sick of all this bollocks. Who are just happy to be Scottish first! Then we can vote Socialist. You Muppets fucked up in the 60s and 70s, we grew up with Thatcher and it will NEVER happen again. SNP, Independence, Then a Socialist Scotland. Fuck Your New Labour Shit! NEVER AGAIN!
@neilb229 Its nice to see/hear peoples opionions,but why is there a need for all the bad language?,just enjot the music,if you do not like it,do not listen.
Mourn the ships sailing off to lands abroad Broken families from lands we've harried Will curse the "Land of the Brave" no more, no more Black and white, one to other married Make the vile barracks of their masters bare So come all ye at home with freedom Never heed when the mongers croak for doom In your house all the seed of Adam Will find bread, barley-beer and painted room When John Brown meets with his friends in Harpers' All the roses and cherries turn to bloom
My American Version: Rough the wind in the clear day's dawning Blows the clouds tumbling softly o'er the bay But there's more than a rough wind blowing Through the great valley of the world today There's a thought that would chase our masters All the rogues who strut & swagger, croon & bray Take the road and seek other pastures For their ill-ploys to sport and play No more will our brave young gallants March to war when our braggarts coursely caw Nor wee-ones from slums and hamlets
I would just like to say I think Luke is the greatest folk singer there has ever been, I have just played about 10 of these magic songs but the one that gets me the most is Lukes magic version of the Night visitors song. This is a true masterpiece.
Music is emotion. Emotion is politics. Unfortunately in ireland you haven't managed to grow up between the playground and the parliament. As a Glaswegian i hope you get to grips with the difference soon. There is other people we should be fighting. Whatever superstition your brainwashed into believeing!!
Actually, I think we did! And that act of "growing up" became enshrined in the GFA (Good Friday Agreement) back in 1998!
Not that someone like Luke ever worried too much about breaking down boundries: He sang songs because they were worth singing! He's have sang "The Sash my Father Wore" if it had a better tune LOL!
Oh, & BTW, Hamish Henderson, who wrote this, worked at Queens in Belfast after WW2! "Lallans" is quite well understood in Ulster!
@DonlegalRaymie201 GFA= Apartheid. You think that's a long term solution? When your superstitions are united to make all the children happy, when you are able to play with all the other children and not cry 'boo hoo', when whatever team loses the league, cup, whatever......then why don't you come back, and speak to me like a real individual and put a fucking argument to me, and i'll welcome you as a Scotsman and fuck off with your Irish, English bollocks. How about that? Is that ok?
Have you had a brain injury, because you make FA sense?
In what conceivable sense, does the Belfast Agreement = Apartheid?? Where exactly are the parallels?
And for someone who comes from 2nd most divided city in the British Isles, you show biblical hypocrisy in criticising the irish for their divisions! Old Firm love across the divide?? No Sectarian chanting/ public hate??
Take the plank out of your own eye mucker, before pulling splinters from others!
Luke Kelly was a truly brilliant singer, whose song renditions were rarely bettered - but for the definitive version of this classic, we must look to Dick Gaughan.
a great song, written by a great Scotsman, Hamish Henderson ( who I remember coming to visit my father when I was a small child) and sung by an equally great Irishman, the amazing Luke Kelly. what a combination!
Interesting early posts about language. The composer of The Battle of the Somme was William Lawrie (Uilleam Labhruidh) whose first language was Scottish i.e. Gaidhlig. Listen to a lament for him sung in Scottish by his relative in Dunach1 on YouTube.
Hamish Henderson's first language was uncertain (his mother was a Scottish speaker) but his great song Freedom Come All Ye, so well sung by Luke Kelly, was written in a Lowland Scotch dialect, not Scottish.
God, make it simple man! This is written & sung in "Lallans", the tongue of the lowland Scots. It's a Germanic tongue, closely related to English. The "Hielanders" spoke Gaelic, & the Picts spoke "Pictish" presumably!
But this was all before the country was united as 1 Nation, hence it's many tongues? All of them equally "Scottish", in the united sense!
@eoghanbeg You're using an archaic definition of "Scottish"- true, in the past, "Scottish" referred to Scottish Gaelic, much as "Irish" refers to Irish Gaelic, but in modern times it is too ambiguous a term to use as such. It can refer to three different languages- Scottish Gaelic, Scots and Scottish English- neither of the first two being more "truly" Scottish than each other. Scotland is not a Gaelic nation, as Ireland is, but an Anglo-Gaelic nation, and it's twin languages reflect that.
Truth be told, Ireland is an "Anglo-Gaelic" Nation too! The whole East of Ireland and especially around "the Pale of Dublin" is Scandinavian then Anglo-Norman in ethnicity.
It's the west coast of Ireland that has remained Gaelic, just like your country as it happens! We just don't have the "Lallans/Scots" tongue to go with it, (well we do, but only in Ulster through immigration!)
@Traitorfish - You started well. In the past Scottish quite logically referred to Scottish Gaelic (Gaidhlig), because the founders of the Scottish nation spoke Gaelic, much as Irish referred to Irish Gaelic (Gaeilge). Today, how can 'Scots' refer equally to three languages? How can Scottish Gaelic not be more truly Scottish than Lallans (similar to Ulster 'Scots') and modern standard English? (which are both English!). Think about it!
@Traitorfish - Note what DonegalRaymie is telling you: "It's the west coast of Ireland that has remained Gaelic." Moreover, everyone in Ireland speaks English. Why, therefore, do they not allow a chosen form of English spoken in Ireland to be called The Irish language? After all, that's what happened in Scotland.
Returning to Hamish Henderson's Freedom Come all Ye - do a Wikipedia search for John MacLean (Scottish socialist). Both of John's parents were Gaelic speakers and Clearance victims.
@eoghanbeg@eoghanbeg Because Scots is a language which was developed indigenously, and, unlike Scottish English, was not imported. Remember, the modern nation of Scotland greatly post-dates the spread of Old English language to the geographic area Scotland. Any shared characteristics that English and Scots share reflect their shared roots in Middle English, and their status as Anglic languages, they do not mark it as a derivative or deviant form of English.
@Traitorfish - Of course they mark it as a derivative form of English. So-called 'Scots', at its peak in the sixteenth century, remained closer to Anglo-Saxon than any form of English spoken in England at that time.
Call your derivative form of English by another suitable title, e.g. Inglis or Northern Inglis or Lallans or whatever other title you like. But, do not call it Scots!
The Scottish language is and always has been Gaelic. Read 'The Flyting of Dunbar and Kennedy' for confirmation.
@eoghanbeg The language is *called* Scots. It's been called that for four hundred years. This isn't something which you can revise symbol because it suits an imposed Gaelic nationalism which the Scots themselves do not maintain.
Scotland is, as I said, an Anglo-Gaelic nation, and the Scots of the Lowlands is as much a part of the national identity, history and culture of Scotland as the Gaelic of the Highlands. The Scots themselves see no contradiction in this; why should you?
I've always known it as "Lallans", seems perfectly clear that way; and I do think it preserves the tongue better than the "Ulster-Scots" that is now a protected language in NI!
The reason that "Lallans" is clearer, is that the Scots people spoke "Gaelic", and to simply preserve the Lowland/Highland distinction makes it all much simpler!
And who wouldn't want to claim him as their own? Just like we'd love to claim this song as "oor ain" too!
Actually, read somewhere that Luke had Scots roots, (on his mother's side maybe?), hence his love of Scots tunes. He recorded a fair number, far more than any other Dubliner.
I didn't make it clear that my reply was to DonegalRaymie. And if he has taken his head out of his armpit he might explain to us how his kind glorify futile bloodshed and castigate those with enough sense to stay out of it. Gaudd is absolutely right, this is a song of revolution, of the end of empire, written by the greatest Scottish poet, Robbie Burns and sung with great spirit by a legendary Irishman.
AS you appear to be hard of reading, my reply was to briankissane and his "How's that German beet taste?.." comment! And secondly, I did make clear I was refering to WW2, and Eire's official neutrality.
What part of that is in anyway unclear?
I also alluded to the Pro-Nazi faction of the IRA e.g. Sean Russell, but that too seems to have escaped your ken!
And in what possible way does "my kind" glorify in futile bloodshed? (Not that you're generalizing or anything!)
P.S. The words of the song were written by Hamish Henderson, not Rabbie Burns!
And Hamish himself served with the 51st Highland Division in WW2, (and wrote an amazing "Reel" of that name!). Seems Hamish himself had not "enough sense to stay out of it."!
And if the Scots don't use this as their National Anthem, we Ulstermen should. Hamish worked at Queens, Belfast for many years after the War; and if we change "Broomielaw" for "Belfast Lough", it almost works. Da Na...!
And since you've got my goat with that "You don't have the faintest notion of history" comment, kindly explain my historical ignorance!
What did I get wrong? That Eire stayed neutral in WW2, while Hitler inflicted the worst Holocaust the world has ever known? That we refused refuge to the Europe's Jews fleeing the Death Camps? That Rabbi Herzog pleaded with De Valera that his people were being systematically exterminated in 1942?
To DonegalRaymie: My applogiesfirst about the author of the song. You are right and I am wrong, it was indeed Hamish Henderson who wrote it.
I was trying to address the issues of history raised by the song. In doing so, I was probably too dogmatic and maybe even insulting. For this I appologise.
The fact remains that the song was a celebration of the end of the evil entity which was the British Empire. I st
And by the way, I have been accused of diehard views, usually by people who had no answers, and who wanted to pretend that everything was normal and who stuck their heads in the sand whenever things got hairy in this country.
The one thing I was never accused of was idiocy.
Maybe this is a Donegal/Scotland idiosyncracy that you attach labels like that to people who disagree with your beliefs?
Incidentally, I take a jaundiced view on Irish Neutrality in WW2 and I am certainly no admirer of Devalera. Over 250,000 Irishmen fought the Nazis. Before that, Irishmen fought and died in the Spanish Civil War in the preliminary bout. Most of those men came from the IRA and from the CPI. Their names, and their graves are still honoured in Spain and in the Basque country.
More to follow. Sorrry I called you stupid, your posts since have proved that you are not.
Apology accepted gladly! I'm not so sure where you and I do disagree after all. Perhaps more of a misunderstanding?
Like you I am very proud of the Irish who fought Nazism. It was their treatment on returning that I adhorr. And you're right about Frank Ryan's men in the Spanish Civil War, which makes Russell's dalliance with the Nazis all the more surprising!
Worth mentioning the Bishops' blessing of the Blueshirts at Dunleary as they "sailed beneath the swastika to Spain"..
I'm always happy to discuss/argue Irish history, just insist it's the whole truth, warts & all version we debate. Have no time for air-brushed/ green-tinted specs accounts. From what you've said, nor do you?
As to the "admission of idiocy" jibe, I thought you were refusing to play/ respond! Whether that is a Donegal/Scots trait? Don't know, wouldn't be surprising if we share many such traits, we've never been out of each others pockets, historically speaking!
Russell was a Catholic nationalist who had no difficulty adhering to fascism. He was one of the people who disagreed with DeValera only in terms of tactics and the limit of his imagination was 'Brits Out' and we'll all be fine. This to him was a principle and he never understood the need for revolutionaries to create a society better than the one they are trying to destroy. Sadly, Not much has changed.
The battle of the somme was in ww.1 / both sides lost a lot of men. I hope and think this song is for all of them. Please visti the graveyards in France and Belgium to get A feeling for wat has been done. I think this song by Luke says it all. Let them all rest in peace , And let them all not be forgotten
How's that German beer taste? Thought so! Thats because a long tome ago some Paddys and Jocks had some balls. They are a deadly combination. I drink German beer now by choice.
Sorry to say, "Paddys" were Neutral in WW2, officially at least!
The many who volunteerd to fight with the Brits, didn't receive a hero's welcome on returning to Eire. Again sorry to say, dodgy part of our history that, some actual Nazi supporters on Republican side, (but Shh! We don't talk about it!)
Amadan. You don't have the faintest notion of history. You seem to have been looking up your own armpit all your life. WW1 was an un-necessary conflict involving a 3 way split between a single extended family in the European and Russian aristocracy: Cousins Nicky, Georgy and I can't remember the other bastard's name but he was the German component in the massacre.
Folks, this is music not politics - enjoy the music for what it is simply music. I am an Ulsterman who enjoys all types of music not for politics or religion. So keep your politicial comments for other places!
@prudence42 Thank you for your sensible words,words can drive wedges between people but music has the power to bring them together.Luke Kelly had a unique voice, was a brilliant musician and those of us who appreciate those things do miss him.
@prudence42 Absolutely, well said, Ireland has some history of great singers & lovely songs, they may contain propaganda but should not be used to promote violence & hatred. R.I.P great Luke.
I suggest you listen to the lyrics of this great song, then tell us "this is music not politics"!!!
The Late, Great Hamish Henderson was NOT writing a wee pop diddy, but a song with something strong and aye, very political to say, as Luke well appreciated!
When? If you're refering to Edward/Robert Bruce that was conquest pure and simple. Otherwise, you're talking about the British Army I suspect, and the Scots regiments are no different from the Irish ones in that respect!
While our Scottish Gaels were fighting for the Anglo-Norman empire their parents and siblings were being burned out of house and home.
The reason? The Highland Clearances.
Consequently, the kilted, so-called Highland regiments have not contained more than a few dozen Gaels per regiment since the 1820s (except in WW1 and WW2). Today? Probably, none!
Yet, the kilted battalions still exist. Where did their soldiers come from?
@TheODubhthaigh - You may not like this - Ireland, mainly. And, to a lesser extent, England. The English "Highlanders" were known as Cockneys. I do not know why either group would want to volunteer. Read letters and editorials in back issues of Highland newspapers from the 1880s to 1914 if in doubt.
If they survived, they tended to settle in the Lowland towns (Glasgow, Paisley, Edinburgh, Dundee etc.) and their sons and grandsons continue in the tradition to this day.
@eoghanbeg well I suppose at that time the image of the "Highland soldier" as a loyal servant of the British Empire had just become cemented, just as the population of the traditional recruiting ground for the Highland regiments (the Highlands) collapsed, leading to the "Highland" regiments being mainly composed of Lowland Scots, from the cities & towns of the Central Belt very often, & Irish & English as well. I think you could count the number of Scottish Gaels in the British Army today on 1
@eoghanbeg hand, although I did hear about a lad from Mull dying in Afghanistan a while back, so their numbers may be small, but their sacrifice is just as great.
@robsargent4 sacrifice for what? fighting the taliban is honourable but dying for a corporate state with a parasitic monarchy, the thought physically makes me sick
@robsargent4 maybe i am depressed but i dont see the meaning in so many things people hold sacred, all these wars over a spec of dust hurtling through infinite space
@3tangle3 unfortunately I think violence is as much part of human nature as kindness is. As far as I can see, there will always be war, as long as there are people.
@robsargent4 we have part bonobos and chimp genomes in us...chimps are the evil little gits...bonobos live in total peace with only rare non lethal fights
I'm astounded! Luke singing in "Braid Scots" and he does it so well too! Pronunciation is flawless, and he gives it real soul to boot. Excellent post.
Well nacho1560, by the number of recordings of Scots songs he did, I'd say the affection was entirely mutual!
Like mtsongs says, Luke seemed to have a genuine love and interest in that wee bit o' him that wis forever Alba! Just goes tae show whit they tell ye about yer granny, eh?
Thanking you from the Glens in Angus. This song has always touched that rebellious part of me that harmonizes with the American, Patrick Henry: "I care not what course others may take but, as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" Or Benjamin Franklin: "We must hang together or we will most assuredly hang separately!"
thanks very much for taking the trouble to include the lyrics and translation , this is one of my favourite songs of all time , i used to have it on a Dubliners tape in the 80's but i can't recall which one , thanks again my friend
eans - cherry-blossoms; Nyanga - black township in South Africa, centre of black resistance in the 1960s, rallying point for the ANC). This was written to an adaptation of the pipe march, The Bloody Fields of Flanders for the CND movement and the anti-Polaris campaign, and sung by Jackie O'Connor on the LP 'Ding Dong Dollar'. But the values it celebrates are more permanent than those of any one decade; they are those of the entire socialist movement from Marx's time to our own.
erm I thought it was obvious? OK It's the union jack/red hand waiving, rule brittannia, "I am not Scots I'm British", if it's not british it's no good, "no surrender", unionist arsepiece that plagues the country and football club I love.
Nah that's the Brit stereotype - every bit as accurate as the emerald-clad, alcoholic Irishman or the red-headed, wife-beating Scotsman. I'm sure many of the three exist - but you're judging the lot by the many.
OK thanks for pointing that out but I was already aware it was a stereotype I was describing. That was my original point that "not all rangers fans fall into the Brit mould" and that there are exceptions to the perceived descriptions of people. Get it?
I've read through all the posts and have learnt a bit about this song - it was written by hamish henderson etc. Can anyone tell me if you can still get a CD of Luke singing this. I think its my favourite of all Luke's songs!
What an amazing song! The sound of Luke's voice and that wonderful language are reach right into the soul - if ever a song could describe the human struggle for freedom...
..regime change ain't social change
MrJoncando 3 weeks ago
humans can be both noble and detestable. of course, hearing Lukey sing tends to bring out the sublime...
joeygsmom 1 month ago
they fought for a those whow opreesed ther own nations
celtfin1 2 months ago
@celtfin1 save that phrase you used and spread it
3tangle3 1 month ago
does anyone know if there are any other recordings of the "Battle of the Somme" on youtube? (you know, the bit at the start with the fiddle)
robsargent4 2 months ago
A song attacking imperialism and sending poor men to their deaths for fat cats.....nothing changes
3tangle3 2 months ago
proof as if you ever needed it that luke was a folk singer first, and for the people,.
irishgeal1 3 months ago
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2008Sameoldfitup 4 months ago
fantastic--much appreciated!! quite a man for quite a song!
dileas4892 5 months ago
Amen to that prudence42 it's the music that matters stuff the vpolotics my mother was a northern irish protestant but she tauaght me such beautiful "Irish" songs from the north and south. Bless you Luke the best folk singer ever!!!!
urphyma456 6 months ago
Sorry, for the rant. This song is fanastic.
neilb229 8 months ago
I'm not fuckin kidding! There is a whole generation of people who are fuckin sick of all this bollocks. Who are just happy to be Scottish first! Then we can vote Socialist. You Muppets fucked up in the 60s and 70s, we grew up with Thatcher and it will NEVER happen again. SNP, Independence, Then a Socialist Scotland. Fuck Your New Labour Shit! NEVER AGAIN!
neilb229 8 months ago 2
@neilb229 Its nice to see/hear peoples opionions,but why is there a need for all the bad language?,just enjot the music,if you do not like it,do not listen.
lneranger4 5 months ago
...or, to rhyme with "Harper's" (somewhat):
And when Memphis, where fell our martyr,
Brings the foul gallows of his murderers down
tomabird123 10 months ago
And our martyr who fell in Memphis
Brings the foul gallows of his murderers down
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I would just like to say I think Luke is the greatest folk singer there has ever been, I have just played about 10 of these magic songs but the one that gets me the most is Lukes magic version of the Night visitors song. This is a true masterpiece.
Teddyb1939 11 months ago
Probably one of my favourite Luke songs, and some stunning playing by John I suspect.
angelf1re 11 months ago
Music is emotion. Emotion is politics. Unfortunately in ireland you haven't managed to grow up between the playground and the parliament. As a Glaswegian i hope you get to grips with the difference soon. There is other people we should be fighting. Whatever superstition your brainwashed into believeing!!
neilb229 11 months ago
@neilb229
Actually, I think we did! And that act of "growing up" became enshrined in the GFA (Good Friday Agreement) back in 1998!
Not that someone like Luke ever worried too much about breaking down boundries: He sang songs because they were worth singing! He's have sang "The Sash my Father Wore" if it had a better tune LOL!
Oh, & BTW, Hamish Henderson, who wrote this, worked at Queens in Belfast after WW2! "Lallans" is quite well understood in Ulster!
DonegalRaymie201 11 months ago
@DonlegalRaymie201 GFA= Apartheid. You think that's a long term solution? When your superstitions are united to make all the children happy, when you are able to play with all the other children and not cry 'boo hoo', when whatever team loses the league, cup, whatever......then why don't you come back, and speak to me like a real individual and put a fucking argument to me, and i'll welcome you as a Scotsman and fuck off with your Irish, English bollocks. How about that? Is that ok?
neilb229 8 months ago
@neilb229
Have you had a brain injury, because you make FA sense?
In what conceivable sense, does the Belfast Agreement = Apartheid?? Where exactly are the parallels?
And for someone who comes from 2nd most divided city in the British Isles, you show biblical hypocrisy in criticising the irish for their divisions! Old Firm love across the divide?? No Sectarian chanting/ public hate??
Take the plank out of your own eye mucker, before pulling splinters from others!
DonegalRaymie201 8 months ago
remember one thing people like Luke Kelly remind us of who we really are
outside of religion and politics.I am an Irish man who loves the songs of
Luke Kelly no matter if he sings of the great Irish rebels or of the great Protestant
men who fought for ireland or if he graces us with a great Scottish ballad
its all the same the man was a ledgend,
stakenet 1 year ago 2
2 people are no' at hame wi' freedom.
QuietReckoning 1 year ago 2
Luke Kelly was a truly brilliant singer, whose song renditions were rarely bettered - but for the definitive version of this classic, we must look to Dick Gaughan.
ThefightingCelt 1 year ago 2
a great song, written by a great Scotsman, Hamish Henderson ( who I remember coming to visit my father when I was a small child) and sung by an equally great Irishman, the amazing Luke Kelly. what a combination!
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megastones 1 year ago
Great Lallans and Lukes version of Hamishs song written about 1959
Nuiceltico 1 year ago
This man would be a distinit relative of mine :)
Stevonater5 1 year ago
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I really love his voice. I may have mentioned this before ;-)
joeygsmom 1 year ago
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joeygsmom 1 year ago
gods got a luke kelly poster on his wall,not sure if its signed tho.
amk68sco 1 year ago
The tongue called "Scots", even by Hamish, was originally called Inglis or Inglish, Bizarre!
(Google Hamish Henderson+Electric Scotland)
Folk who are interested in the Scottish/irish Celtic connection may care to listen to Birlinn Ghoraidh Chrobhain aung in Scottish - also on YouTube.
eoghanbeg 1 year ago
Interesting early posts about language. The composer of The Battle of the Somme was William Lawrie (Uilleam Labhruidh) whose first language was Scottish i.e. Gaidhlig. Listen to a lament for him sung in Scottish by his relative in Dunach1 on YouTube.
Hamish Henderson's first language was uncertain (his mother was a Scottish speaker) but his great song Freedom Come All Ye, so well sung by Luke Kelly, was written in a Lowland Scotch dialect, not Scottish.
eoghanbeg 1 year ago
@eoghanbeg
God, make it simple man! This is written & sung in "Lallans", the tongue of the lowland Scots. It's a Germanic tongue, closely related to English. The "Hielanders" spoke Gaelic, & the Picts spoke "Pictish" presumably!
But this was all before the country was united as 1 Nation, hence it's many tongues? All of them equally "Scottish", in the united sense!
Doesn't that explain things more clearly?
DonegalRaymie201 1 year ago 3
@eoghanbeg You're using an archaic definition of "Scottish"- true, in the past, "Scottish" referred to Scottish Gaelic, much as "Irish" refers to Irish Gaelic, but in modern times it is too ambiguous a term to use as such. It can refer to three different languages- Scottish Gaelic, Scots and Scottish English- neither of the first two being more "truly" Scottish than each other. Scotland is not a Gaelic nation, as Ireland is, but an Anglo-Gaelic nation, and it's twin languages reflect that.
Traitorfish 1 year ago
@Traitorfish
Truth be told, Ireland is an "Anglo-Gaelic" Nation too! The whole East of Ireland and especially around "the Pale of Dublin" is Scandinavian then Anglo-Norman in ethnicity.
It's the west coast of Ireland that has remained Gaelic, just like your country as it happens! We just don't have the "Lallans/Scots" tongue to go with it, (well we do, but only in Ulster through immigration!)
good points otherwise!
DonegalRaymie201 1 year ago
@Traitorfish - You started well. In the past Scottish quite logically referred to Scottish Gaelic (Gaidhlig), because the founders of the Scottish nation spoke Gaelic, much as Irish referred to Irish Gaelic (Gaeilge). Today, how can 'Scots' refer equally to three languages? How can Scottish Gaelic not be more truly Scottish than Lallans (similar to Ulster 'Scots') and modern standard English? (which are both English!). Think about it!
eoghanbeg 1 year ago
@Traitorfish - Note what DonegalRaymie is telling you: "It's the west coast of Ireland that has remained Gaelic." Moreover, everyone in Ireland speaks English. Why, therefore, do they not allow a chosen form of English spoken in Ireland to be called The Irish language? After all, that's what happened in Scotland.
Returning to Hamish Henderson's Freedom Come all Ye - do a Wikipedia search for John MacLean (Scottish socialist). Both of John's parents were Gaelic speakers and Clearance victims.
eoghanbeg 1 year ago
@eoghanbeg @eoghanbeg Because Scots is a language which was developed indigenously, and, unlike Scottish English, was not imported. Remember, the modern nation of Scotland greatly post-dates the spread of Old English language to the geographic area Scotland. Any shared characteristics that English and Scots share reflect their shared roots in Middle English, and their status as Anglic languages, they do not mark it as a derivative or deviant form of English.
Traitorfish 1 year ago
@Traitorfish - Of course they mark it as a derivative form of English. So-called 'Scots', at its peak in the sixteenth century, remained closer to Anglo-Saxon than any form of English spoken in England at that time.
Call your derivative form of English by another suitable title, e.g. Inglis or Northern Inglis or Lallans or whatever other title you like. But, do not call it Scots!
The Scottish language is and always has been Gaelic. Read 'The Flyting of Dunbar and Kennedy' for confirmation.
eoghanbeg 1 year ago
@eoghanbeg The language is *called* Scots. It's been called that for four hundred years. This isn't something which you can revise symbol because it suits an imposed Gaelic nationalism which the Scots themselves do not maintain.
Scotland is, as I said, an Anglo-Gaelic nation, and the Scots of the Lowlands is as much a part of the national identity, history and culture of Scotland as the Gaelic of the Highlands. The Scots themselves see no contradiction in this; why should you?
Traitorfish 1 year ago
@Traitorfish
I've always known it as "Lallans", seems perfectly clear that way; and I do think it preserves the tongue better than the "Ulster-Scots" that is now a protected language in NI!
The reason that "Lallans" is clearer, is that the Scots people spoke "Gaelic", and to simply preserve the Lowland/Highland distinction makes it all much simpler!
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irishgeal1 1 year ago
He is ma Maw
aisirmor 1 year ago
why oh why did this man have to leave this world? :(
etherealemblem 1 year ago
u have got to love lukes smiling eyes, pure irish only, as well as the voice.
irishgeal1 1 year ago
lol
murrymurrymurrymurry 1 year ago
Fuck our history...it holds us back, but dont 4get it.
Catholic+Protestant+watever d fuk u believe in = Harmony, which = Eire 32
Eire32FukDaBrits 1 year ago 2
Outstanding. I think this is Kelly at his best.
paddykelsall 2 years ago 4
lukes got the nicest scottish acsent i ever heard.
irishgeal1 2 years ago 3
@irishgeal1
Aye, he must have learned it from his dear auld granny!
TheSoulboy90 1 year ago
srry but he's irish born in Dublin
Yorgar 1 year ago
granny was born in Scotland, lived with Luke and his family until her death in 1953. Last name was MacDonald.
schiple 1 year ago
It's actually pronunciation:)
AtticusStount 2 years ago
great stuff by john and nicely polished off by luke.
irishgeal1 2 years ago
And where will we find a voice like his today?
montrosefan 2 years ago
Luke Kelly : De beste zanger die Ierland ooit heeft gehad. Geniet elke dag van hem.
eiland48 2 years ago
luke kelly, the son scotland wished was there's.
irishgeal1 2 years ago
@irishgeal1
And who wouldn't want to claim him as their own? Just like we'd love to claim this song as "oor ain" too!
Actually, read somewhere that Luke had Scots roots, (on his mother's side maybe?), hence his love of Scots tunes. He recorded a fair number, far more than any other Dubliner.
DonegalRaymie201 2 years ago 4
Aye Luke's Grandmother was Scottish
kellyoneill 2 years ago
Really? Greit info... And do you know how did Ewan MacColl meet Luke?
Chomuno 2 years ago
In a folk club in England,
have you read Des Geraghty's book?
it's called "Luke Kelly A memoir"
it's a brilliant book.
kellyoneill 2 years ago
Can we find it in Internet? I'd be pleased to read it!
A folk club you say? Does it exist today?
Chomuno 2 years ago
Yeah it came back into print a few years ago, ebay had a few copies and amazon has it,
I'm not sure about the folk club still being there I will check it out and see if I can find anything :)
kellyoneill 2 years ago
@kellyoneill
Does it get any better than this. My family is from Scotland and it was great to hear this. Thank you. Alba Gu Brath!!!
tbllk36 1 year ago 4
@kellyoneill
Thanks Kelly. That Granny seems to have had quite an influence on Luke by the sound of this!
I'm still stunned by how seriously Luke took perfecting the pronounciation here. It's flawless as far as I can tell!
Didn't do things by half out Luke.
DonegalRaymie201 2 years ago
Hard to trace! The Irish and the Scots are part of the same celtic tribe, so to speak, the Scotti.
AtticusStount 2 years ago
I didn't make it clear that my reply was to DonegalRaymie. And if he has taken his head out of his armpit he might explain to us how his kind glorify futile bloodshed and castigate those with enough sense to stay out of it. Gaudd is absolutely right, this is a song of revolution, of the end of empire, written by the greatest Scottish poet, Robbie Burns and sung with great spirit by a legendary Irishman.
TheODubhthaigh 2 years ago
@TheODubhthaigh
AS you appear to be hard of reading, my reply was to briankissane and his "How's that German beet taste?.." comment! And secondly, I did make clear I was refering to WW2, and Eire's official neutrality.
What part of that is in anyway unclear?
I also alluded to the Pro-Nazi faction of the IRA e.g. Sean Russell, but that too seems to have escaped your ken!
And in what possible way does "my kind" glorify in futile bloodshed? (Not that you're generalizing or anything!)
DonegalRaymie201 2 years ago 2
@TheODubhthaigh
P.S. The words of the song were written by Hamish Henderson, not Rabbie Burns!
And Hamish himself served with the 51st Highland Division in WW2, (and wrote an amazing "Reel" of that name!). Seems Hamish himself had not "enough sense to stay out of it."!
And if the Scots don't use this as their National Anthem, we Ulstermen should. Hamish worked at Queens, Belfast for many years after the War; and if we change "Broomielaw" for "Belfast Lough", it almost works. Da Na...!
DonegalRaymie201 2 years ago 4
@TheODubhthaigh
And since you've got my goat with that "You don't have the faintest notion of history" comment, kindly explain my historical ignorance!
What did I get wrong? That Eire stayed neutral in WW2, while Hitler inflicted the worst Holocaust the world has ever known? That we refused refuge to the Europe's Jews fleeing the Death Camps? That Rabbi Herzog pleaded with De Valera that his people were being systematically exterminated in 1942?
Maybe you're proud of that history. I am not
DonegalRaymie201 2 years ago 5
@TheODubhthaigh
I take your silence as an admission of idiocy then?
Be careful who you call out for stupidity? It may backfire like here!
DonegalRaymie201 2 years ago
To DonegalRaymie: My applogiesfirst about the author of the song. You are right and I am wrong, it was indeed Hamish Henderson who wrote it.
I was trying to address the issues of history raised by the song. In doing so, I was probably too dogmatic and maybe even insulting. For this I appologise.
The fact remains that the song was a celebration of the end of the evil entity which was the British Empire. I st
TheODubhthaigh 2 years ago
To DonegalRaymie,
And by the way, I have been accused of diehard views, usually by people who had no answers, and who wanted to pretend that everything was normal and who stuck their heads in the sand whenever things got hairy in this country.
The one thing I was never accused of was idiocy.
Maybe this is a Donegal/Scotland idiosyncracy that you attach labels like that to people who disagree with your beliefs?
TheODubhthaigh 2 years ago
Incidentally, I take a jaundiced view on Irish Neutrality in WW2 and I am certainly no admirer of Devalera. Over 250,000 Irishmen fought the Nazis. Before that, Irishmen fought and died in the Spanish Civil War in the preliminary bout. Most of those men came from the IRA and from the CPI. Their names, and their graves are still honoured in Spain and in the Basque country.
More to follow. Sorrry I called you stupid, your posts since have proved that you are not.
TheODubhthaigh 2 years ago
@TheODubhthaigh
Apology accepted gladly! I'm not so sure where you and I do disagree after all. Perhaps more of a misunderstanding?
Like you I am very proud of the Irish who fought Nazism. It was their treatment on returning that I adhorr. And you're right about Frank Ryan's men in the Spanish Civil War, which makes Russell's dalliance with the Nazis all the more surprising!
Worth mentioning the Bishops' blessing of the Blueshirts at Dunleary as they "sailed beneath the swastika to Spain"..
DonegalRaymie201 2 years ago
I'm always happy to discuss/argue Irish history, just insist it's the whole truth, warts & all version we debate. Have no time for air-brushed/ green-tinted specs accounts. From what you've said, nor do you?
As to the "admission of idiocy" jibe, I thought you were refusing to play/ respond! Whether that is a Donegal/Scots trait? Don't know, wouldn't be surprising if we share many such traits, we've never been out of each others pockets, historically speaking!
DonegalRaymie201 2 years ago
Russell was a Catholic nationalist who had no difficulty adhering to fascism. He was one of the people who disagreed with DeValera only in terms of tactics and the limit of his imagination was 'Brits Out' and we'll all be fine. This to him was a principle and he never understood the need for revolutionaries to create a society better than the one they are trying to destroy. Sadly, Not much has changed.
TheODubhthaigh 2 years ago
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TheODubhthaigh 2 years ago
Great song written by Scot Hamish Henderson
cheerydavie 2 years ago 4
For the record, this song is about everyone getting along!
or at least the wish of it someday happening...sigh.
joeygsmom 2 years ago 2
The battle of the somme was in ww.1 / both sides lost a lot of men. I hope and think this song is for all of them. Please visti the graveyards in France and Belgium to get A feeling for wat has been done. I think this song by Luke says it all. Let them all rest in peace , And let them all not be forgotten
lytsepieter 2 years ago
How's that German beer taste? Thought so! Thats because a long tome ago some Paddys and Jocks had some balls. They are a deadly combination. I drink German beer now by choice.
briankissane 2 years ago
Sorry to say, "Paddys" were Neutral in WW2, officially at least!
The many who volunteerd to fight with the Brits, didn't receive a hero's welcome on returning to Eire. Again sorry to say, dodgy part of our history that, some actual Nazi supporters on Republican side, (but Shh! We don't talk about it!)
And I didn't say a word, okay?
DonegalRaymie201 2 years ago
Amadan. You don't have the faintest notion of history. You seem to have been looking up your own armpit all your life. WW1 was an un-necessary conflict involving a 3 way split between a single extended family in the European and Russian aristocracy: Cousins Nicky, Georgy and I can't remember the other bastard's name but he was the German component in the massacre.
TheODubhthaigh 2 years ago
another luke tribute to ewan mc'coll and the brave men of scotland.
irishgeal1 2 years ago
this band is one of the true true true great, they have made/played so many beautifull songs
greetings from belgium for ireland
albertcorn 2 years ago 2
This is a song of revolution you dumb bastards, a song of hope, and you idiots reduce it to some petty squable. No fucking wonder we always lose.
Gaudd 2 years ago 2
JUst enjoy the damn music
Gaudd 2 years ago
Folks, this is music not politics - enjoy the music for what it is simply music. I am an Ulsterman who enjoys all types of music not for politics or religion. So keep your politicial comments for other places!
God Bless Luke
prudence42 2 years ago 26
@prudence42 . I respect your views. However, John Maclean was political.
"Never heid whit the hoodies crock fir doom"
LuathFingal 1 year ago
@prudence42 Thank you for your sensible words,words can drive wedges between people but music has the power to bring them together.Luke Kelly had a unique voice, was a brilliant musician and those of us who appreciate those things do miss him.
TZEITEL10 1 year ago
@prudence42 Absolutely, well said, Ireland has some history of great singers & lovely songs, they may contain propaganda but should not be used to promote violence & hatred. R.I.P great Luke.
Teddyb1939 10 months ago
@prudence42
I suggest you listen to the lyrics of this great song, then tell us "this is music not politics"!!!
The Late, Great Hamish Henderson was NOT writing a wee pop diddy, but a song with something strong and aye, very political to say, as Luke well appreciated!
DonegalRaymie201 6 months ago 7
@prudence42 Nice to hear a "proper voice in all the trouble,thank you.
lneranger4 5 months ago
Is the Sinn Fein republicans sitting in Stormont not traitors to the Gael?
They are disgrace!
SeanMcGurk 2 years ago
scots and irisg regements both traitors to the gael
celtfin1 2 years ago
@celtfin1 don't see how either of them betrayed the Gael at all. Many of the members were Gaels.
robsargent4 2 months ago
thats singing for any man who's loves a good singer of any countrys song.
irishgeal1 2 years ago
Ireland and Scotland, Celtic Brothers
fatherted101 2 years ago
Scotland sent it's regiments over here to murder their fellow Gael. All Scots and Irish republicans should stand together.
TheODubhthaigh 2 years ago
here here!! haha I replied within an hour of your post, go me.
DwnAszPunk 2 years ago
When? If you're refering to Edward/Robert Bruce that was conquest pure and simple. Otherwise, you're talking about the British Army I suspect, and the Scots regiments are no different from the Irish ones in that respect!
TheSoulboy90 2 years ago
@TheODubhthaigh - Did she?
While our Scottish Gaels were fighting for the Anglo-Norman empire their parents and siblings were being burned out of house and home.
The reason? The Highland Clearances.
Consequently, the kilted, so-called Highland regiments have not contained more than a few dozen Gaels per regiment since the 1820s (except in WW1 and WW2). Today? Probably, none!
Yet, the kilted battalions still exist. Where did their soldiers come from?
eoghanbeg 1 year ago
@TheODubhthaigh - You may not like this - Ireland, mainly. And, to a lesser extent, England. The English "Highlanders" were known as Cockneys. I do not know why either group would want to volunteer. Read letters and editorials in back issues of Highland newspapers from the 1880s to 1914 if in doubt.
If they survived, they tended to settle in the Lowland towns (Glasgow, Paisley, Edinburgh, Dundee etc.) and their sons and grandsons continue in the tradition to this day.
eoghanbeg 1 year ago
@eoghanbeg well I suppose at that time the image of the "Highland soldier" as a loyal servant of the British Empire had just become cemented, just as the population of the traditional recruiting ground for the Highland regiments (the Highlands) collapsed, leading to the "Highland" regiments being mainly composed of Lowland Scots, from the cities & towns of the Central Belt very often, & Irish & English as well. I think you could count the number of Scottish Gaels in the British Army today on 1
robsargent4 2 months ago
@eoghanbeg hand, although I did hear about a lad from Mull dying in Afghanistan a while back, so their numbers may be small, but their sacrifice is just as great.
robsargent4 2 months ago
@robsargent4 sacrifice for what? fighting the taliban is honourable but dying for a corporate state with a parasitic monarchy, the thought physically makes me sick
3tangle3 2 months ago
@3tangle3 well I agree, I don't think it's a sacrifice worth making, but it's a sacrifice all the same
robsargent4 2 months ago
@robsargent4 maybe i am depressed but i dont see the meaning in so many things people hold sacred, all these wars over a spec of dust hurtling through infinite space
3tangle3 2 months ago
@3tangle3 unfortunately I think violence is as much part of human nature as kindness is. As far as I can see, there will always be war, as long as there are people.
robsargent4 2 months ago
@robsargent4 we have part bonobos and chimp genomes in us...chimps are the evil little gits...bonobos live in total peace with only rare non lethal fights
3tangle3 2 months ago
@3tangle3 well that would explain a lot!
robsargent4 2 months ago
@3tangle3 mind you, the fact that we'll never be perfect doesn't mean we shouldn't give it a go
robsargent4 2 months ago
No we bloody arn't!
morearrows 2 years ago
Awesome Scots song sung by an amazing Irishman!
88mmHeidiMG42MP43 2 years ago 2
luke kelly! what a man !
dattenborough180880 2 years ago 3
I'm astounded! Luke singing in "Braid Scots" and he does it so well too! Pronunciation is flawless, and he gives it real soul to boot. Excellent post.
Thank you.
TheSoulboy90 2 years ago 4
luke had a passion for scottish music n scottish ancestry.
mtsongs 2 years ago 2
He had a Scottish granny, so maybe not so strange. We lay claim to a wee bit of him. Maybe a finger or toe.
nacho1560 2 years ago 4
Well nacho1560, by the number of recordings of Scots songs he did, I'd say the affection was entirely mutual!
Like mtsongs says, Luke seemed to have a genuine love and interest in that wee bit o' him that wis forever Alba! Just goes tae show whit they tell ye about yer granny, eh?
TheSoulboy90 2 years ago
What power and emotion comes over in Luke's voice, wonderful. Pure genius.
angelf1re 2 years ago
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TheODubhthaigh 2 years ago
Hey,
This is the first i have been online in nearly a week, the only comment i can find with your user name is this one i am replying to,
sorry but i have no idea what happened to your original comment.
kellyoneill 2 years ago
Hey Kelly,
I had the same problem as TheODubhihaigh.
But never mind, Luke is the Master!
Can you tell me where I can find the album Thank you for the days? I can''t find it anywhere. Help is much appriciated. Greetings from Holand.
pasarfan 2 years ago
Hey,
must be something to do with youtube,
The album isnt available to buy anymore,
but if you send me a pm with your email address i can send you the album :)
kellyoneill 2 years ago
I have no idea how the critical comment about you not posting a comment from me came to be published over my username. I certainly did not send it.
TheODubhthaigh 2 years ago
Sorry about last post of mine.
Not the place for that type of argument.
andygirvan2 2 years ago
amazing scottish song sung by a great irish man !
UrFavWorstNightmare 2 years ago 9
Amen.
PapaNoMidokoro 2 years ago
lol its not bad
ScottishDude123 2 years ago
lol not bad? not feckin bad????
its bloody amazing kidda :)
kellyoneill 2 years ago
You'll not hear a better version anywhere.
The man brings the song to life
Dings the fell galows o the burghers doun.
Super
shannaghlad 2 years ago 2
Thanking you from the Glens in Angus. This song has always touched that rebellious part of me that harmonizes with the American, Patrick Henry: "I care not what course others may take but, as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" Or Benjamin Franklin: "We must hang together or we will most assuredly hang separately!"
God's blessings, kellyoneill. Well done!
dlondon1144 2 years ago 2
To Country Question: John Sheahan
redbirdr33 2 years ago
keltickev27 has posted a great new rendition of "Freedom Come All Ye". Check it out.
PapaNoMidokoro 2 years ago 2
his was the first i heard of the song.. and its a great rendition right enough
BER1314 2 years ago
hiya, could you please tell me who it is playing the fiddle in "Battle of the somme" ? thanks very much
CountryQuestion 2 years ago
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98jejq 2 years ago
learned from the great ewan mccoll, great teacher, master pupil
irishgeal1 2 years ago 4
thanks very much for taking the trouble to include the lyrics and translation , this is one of my favourite songs of all time , i used to have it on a Dubliners tape in the 80's but i can't recall which one , thanks again my friend
englishrover 2 years ago 3
No trouble at all :)
kellyoneill 2 years ago
mighty stuff Kelly!
DamianNixon 3 years ago 5
beutiful kellyoneil, wigan salutes you.xxx
bynot1 2 years ago 2
Thanking You :)
kellyoneill 2 years ago
fantastic song, the two kelly's do it again.
5times55 3 years ago 5
hard 2believe hes a paddy throwin the scots slang off him like that,and it all done so naturally,what a legend!!!!!!!!!
tircrough 3 years ago 2
Scots Grandmother apparently
jesscheckin 2 years ago 2
Comment:
eans - cherry-blossoms; Nyanga - black township in South Africa, centre of black resistance in the 1960s, rallying point for the ANC). This was written to an adaptation of the pipe march, The Bloody Fields of Flanders for the CND movement and the anti-Polaris campaign, and sung by Jackie O'Connor on the LP 'Ding Dong Dollar'. But the values it celebrates are more permanent than those of any one decade; they are those of the entire socialist movement from Marx's time to our own.
glyn001 3 years ago 3
Verse 3:
So, cam' all ye at hame wi' freedom
Never heed whit the hoodies croak for doom
In your hoose a' the bairns o' Adam
Will find bread, barley beer an' painted room
When MacLean meets wi' his friends in Springburn
A' the roses and geans will turn tae bloom
And a black boy frae yon Nyanga
Dings the fell gallows o' the burghers doon
glyn001 3 years ago
Verse 2:
Nae mair will oor bonnie callants
March tae war when the braggarts croosely craw
Nor wee weans frae pitheid and clachan
Mourn the ships sailin' doon the Broomielaw
Broken faim'lies in lands we've harried
Will curse Scotland the brave nae mair, nae mair
Black and white, ane til th' ither married
Mak' the vile barracks o' their maisters bare
glyn001 3 years ago
Here you go (posted in 3 parts (3 verses):
Roch the wind in the clear day dawnin'
Blows the cloods heelster-gowdie o'er the bay
But there's nair nor a roch wind blawin'
Through the great glen o' the warld the day
It's a thocht that would gar oor rottans
A' thae rogues that gang gallus, fresh and gay
Tak' the road tae seek ither loanin's
Their ill ploys tae sport and play.
glyn001 3 years ago
Amazing song!
What a voice!
sirius711 3 years ago 2
Amazing Luke!
Jayden1201 3 years ago
thanks for posting the words, its even more awesome knowing exactly what hes saying.
:)
joeygsmom 3 years ago
Well said mate.
From a fellow bluenose that also doesn't fall into the "brit" mould.
thistlewarrior 3 years ago
What exactly is the 'brit mould' nowadays?
sirius711 3 years ago
erm I thought it was obvious? OK It's the union jack/red hand waiving, rule brittannia, "I am not Scots I'm British", if it's not british it's no good, "no surrender", unionist arsepiece that plagues the country and football club I love.
thistlewarrior 3 years ago
Nah that's the Brit stereotype - every bit as accurate as the emerald-clad, alcoholic Irishman or the red-headed, wife-beating Scotsman. I'm sure many of the three exist - but you're judging the lot by the many.
sirius711 3 years ago
OK thanks for pointing that out but I was already aware it was a stereotype I was describing. That was my original point that "not all rangers fans fall into the Brit mould" and that there are exceptions to the perceived descriptions of people. Get it?
thistlewarrior 3 years ago 2
ah, I follow (Y) gotcha!
sirius711 3 years ago
"....and football club I love."
If it's the club that springs to mind, what else is there to "love" about that particular club?
andygirvan2 2 years ago
Thanks kelly.
anniesharratt 3 years ago
I've read through all the posts and have learnt a bit about this song - it was written by hamish henderson etc. Can anyone tell me if you can still get a CD of Luke singing this. I think its my favourite of all Luke's songs!
It sends shivers down my spine!
anniesharratt 3 years ago
Hey.
its available on a few different cd's,
The Best Of Original Dubliners 3cd box set,
Working Class Hero,
Songs Of The Workers (this is hard to get)
kellyoneill 3 years ago
What an amazing song! The sound of Luke's voice and that wonderful language are reach right into the soul - if ever a song could describe the human struggle for freedom...
anniesharratt 3 years ago 2
Mo laoch, mo laoch ;(
Scoob505 3 years ago
How about posting all the words please.?
Fabulous ...just fabulous
codemaster20007 3 years ago
I did already and the translation, if you click more info on the right hand side of the vid.
kellyoneill 3 years ago
Hey neat - I usually have to go Googling or Wicki-ing(?) for the lyrics of songs.
Wish more people would do this.
Ta for posting, a great song
jesscheckin 3 years ago
Is this Luke Kelly of The Dubliners? I remember a Melbourne group, The Colonials, did this brilliantly back in 1971
coralarch 3 years ago
Yep, same luke kelly.
kellyoneill 3 years ago
Scots is such a cool language! Seems to have quite a few similarities with Norwegian as well :D
kiradrae 3 years ago