Fyrom government is branwashing it's citizens and children just like how hitler brainwashed the citizens to make them think they are "the perfect race" or how the japanese taught during the ww2 that americans were humans who eat flesh/killed everyone etc. so that the people never betrayed japan.
THE EXACT SAME FUCKIN THING is going on with fyrom. They DEFY history, FREAKING HISTORY, in their own propaganda and they're so stupid they only see history from their countries books. Holy fuck >.>
1)GB is just the name of the island(England+Wales+Scotland), it does not include Northern Ireland, which is part of UK & which TOO is part of EU.
BTW, Brittany is called Bretagne in French !
Check your facts again (don't listen to propaganda, check the page yourself) , about military spending Macedonia spends 1.7% of GDP(ranked 114), while Greece spends 3.2%(ranked 20). Why is a beggar state like Greece spending billions on military ? huh ?
@MrJekyllDrHyde1 Greece is spending billions of on military for 2 reasons. 1st is Turkey. and 2nd is because countries like France, USA, England Germany etc. are making loan deals with the corupted greek governments since 1820s. Deals that includes many additional terms like buying military equipment and other factory products (clothes...etc) from the specific country that gives us the Loan. Read some economical-political history before u write ?huh? like a bitch
@asimask 1974: erm, Turks invade Cyprus after Greeks try to topple Cypriot Govt. Technically, Greek are a thread to Cyprus & Turks aren't threat for Greece.
1994: OMG, all the residents of the uninhabited islands must be very inconvenienced.
2006: You think THAT is a threat - & not an accident. really, how paranoid are you ?
2007: Dude, all nations have such exercises for their neighbors.
You really need medication ..seriously. Why would anyone try to take over a poor hopeless Greece?
1974 - turkey invades Cyprus, after greek JUNTA tries to topple Cypriot gov. Correct.
As a result of turkish actions, 200.000 GREEK cupriots were expelled from their homes in northen Cyprus and became refugees in their own homeland, 4000 ppl died and 1619 were declared as missing. Greece is a threaT to Cyprus??
1994 - According to the researches conducted, in the sea under the Imia islands there was found, that it was rich in presius minerals, and gas.....
@MrJekyllDrHyde1 The ENTIRE turkish history is nothing but massacre and theft. From the time the illiterate and nomadic horde of seljuks swept into Anatolia attacking peaceful Byzantine villages and selling their populations into slavery to the Adana massacre, Chios Massacre, Orlov massacres, Batak massacre, Dersim massacre, Armenian Genocide, Assyrian Genocide, Pontic Massacre, 1955 istanbul Pogroms. etc. etc. etc. Turks are sub-humans who know only how to kill.
@AegeanKing Look no one claims that Turks are angels... & sure enough just like most BIG cultures, they have had their share of massacres. I guess you would agree that Greeks aren't angels too.
The fact that you choose to call them "sub-humans" betrays your little understanding of science/genetics & your racism. I am sorry, but you need to grow up.
@MrJekyllDrHyde1 Genetics? Are you a moron? Sub-human in behavior idiot, not in actual real life. LOL! Turn your brain on. Compared to Turks, Nazis are Angels. Turkish built their Empire on the smoldering ruins of hundreds of peaceful Byzantine cities. They even attacked fellow Muslims to gain power in the middle east. Turks are just illiterate nomads from Asia who know nothing but violence. Turks have accomplished nothing but mass death.
@MrJekyllDrHyde1 Even your most famous architect, Mimar Sinan, was born an Armenian Christian. All of your major Palaces including Dolmabahce, Beylerbey and Ciragan Palaces were built by the ARMENIAN Balyan family. They also built most of your mosques. Turks are stupid and lazy and are only good at killing, theft and rape.
@MrJekyllDrHyde1 ...(cont.) 1994 - good reason for a country to invade to a couple of uninhabited islands dont u think? Besides that, this is Greek territory, and we will split our blood before we let anyone to take an inch of it, no matter what and where it is. Got it?
2006 - Foreign heavily armed, military airplanes flying around on your air space is not a theat? According to the turkish pilot, it was not an accident, he addmited that he fired a missile. Got it?
@MrJekyllDrHyde1 2007 : All national armies, have plans to take the control of the goverment and invade to the neighbor country? I dont think that this is normal, cause when this plan was revealed in turkey, hundreds of military personnel go to jail.
Why would someone want to take over greece? Because its Rich in petrol-gus-gold- and presious minerals, and its an AMAZING piece of land! And u have to know that the last thing that Greece will ever be, is hopeless. Lil bitch
@MrJekyllDrHyde1 I will stop arguing with you now, cause i know that u will just dissagree to anything i say, respoding me with bullshits. You obvioulsy for some reason trying to tease Greeks, but u are so ignorant that u are doing it wrong. Only one think i have to say to you before i end this conversation. You are my lil bitch and i fuck you.
@MrJekyllDrHyde1 As for the loans. That is THE issue my lil bitch. The greek govt has been wasting money, thats for sure, but those money are Greek ppl money, they dont come from the loans. The great majority of the loans that Greece received, went to pay older loan interests. We acctually have payed back to the lenders something like +14000% the actual money that we recieved. Other parts of the loan went to help the economies of the counties wich gave the loan, like france or germany.
@MrJekyllDrHyde1 And there are many ways to support a countries economy. One way is to buy expensive military equipment other way is to take big expensive loans and pay the interest. Hit your head in the wall now and relieve the universe from your meaningless existance.
@loukrit Macedonia is called FYROM almost exclusively by Greece & western Europe. So, you you need to get used to this soon.
Listen, nobody is denying the genealogy which you are stating. But greeks do not have the right to dictate what a nation wants to call itself. And because of geographical reasons, Macedonians have all the right to call itself Macedonia.
Phew, there are places named like 'Malaka' in Spain & Malaysia, but I do not see you concerned about them !
@MrJekyllDrHyde1.U say greeks dont have the right to dictate what a nation calls its a self. I will partly agree with u, and give u an example. Lets say that someday someone moves next to your house, in a place that used to be yours. He is now ur neiber. Suddenly, he decides to call himself with ur name.. Even more suddenly after a couple of days, he decides that he is you, and you are not who you are, and now he does not just calls himself with your name, but also claims whats yours...
@MrJekyllDrHyde1 offcourse u dont have the right to dictate how your neiber wants to call himself, but what happends if he uses ur name, and your history, and your ancestors, and he claims whats yours, even your land? I am sure u have the answer in to your stupid head my lil bitch.
@loukrit Traitor ? Me ? How is this a issue of 'humanity' ?
I do not seem to understand why this is a important issue ? Greeks need to get used to the fact that they are just a poor sorry nation & get used to the fact a nation next to them is called MACEDONIA.
The former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians can call themselves "Chinese" if they like. It does not make it so.
"The whole story about Ancient Macedonia sounds undoubtedly very nice. However, there is a great problem, a huge hole of about 2,000 years during which we have neither oral nor written tradition, nor a single scientific argument!” - former Prime Minister of FYROM Ljubco Georgievski, FOCUS, 31 March 2008
Putting all historical narratives aside for a moment, Ancient Macedonia is PHYSICALLY located in Greece (rather than paeonia where FYROM is primarily situated). The better question would be why are YOU harassing Macedonians? (aka Greeks)
And what does the physical location got to do with the issue - especially when you get to arbitrarily get to name what the location would be called ! This is amusing.
You are harassing Macedonains by playing stupid and pretending you don't notice FYROM's attempts to usurp not only our territory but our very identity. To me people like you are equivalent to Nazis. Go fuck yourself Greek hater.
Macedonians have not indicated anything which would make 1 think they want to take Territory which currently belongs to Greece. As for the 'identity', well is it so hard for you to admit that Greeks & Macedonians SHARE that identity - it does not belong exclusively to 1 group.
I do not hate Greeks, I love them, but that does not stop me from calling their bullshit when they start talking bullshit.
Your selective memory attests to your prejudices. What you call "Macedonians" today... used to freely self-identify as ethnic Bulgarians (and only a few years ago their own elected leaders used to claim not to be related to ancient Macedonians)
"We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... We are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" - Kiro Gligorov, FYROM's first President, February 26, 1992
@GemistusPletho So what is your problem ? earlier they used to call themselves Bulgarians, now they want to call themselves Macedonians ? what is your problem ?
The current republic of Macedonia IS part of the geographical area knows as Macedonia. There is not reason why greeks get to decide what people call themselves.
There are over 20 places in USA which are named "Athens", but I don't see you complain ! Isn't this plain & simple racism on your part ?
You are an idiot on multiple fronts. The ancient and modern regions are not the same .The region of FYROM is not "macedonia", Maceodnia is physically located in Greece. FYROM is primarily situated in a region called Paeonia in antiqutity. Furthermore one can change nationalitities not ethnic identities. Its like saying one day someone Japanese calling themselves ethnic Russian.
@GemistusPletho Dude, Macedonia INCLUDES the greek part & the part in Rep. of Macedonia with a small part in Bulgaria.
Do you really think Russians would whine if others call themselves Russians, infact they would be proud. BTW, you avoided my question : There are over 20 places in USA which are named "Athens", but I don't see you complain ! Isn't this plain & simple racism on your part ?
And Greece doesn't not objective to places in the US calling themselves by Greece names you fucking Greek-hating idiot. We object to FYROM because they threaten our country and attempt to usurp our identity. There are 2.5 million people in Greece who consider themselves Macedonians (plus the bulk of the Greek people that consider ancient Macedonia part of their cultural patrimony.
You are the racist you cunt. You are racist against Macedonians in Greece. (who's very identity you generously give a way to the former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians of the former Yugoslavia) To me, people like you are racist genocidal assholes out to ethnically erase Greeks. Go fuck yourself Greek-hater.
'We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian.' - FYROM´s Ambassador to Canada Gyordan Veselinov, Ottawa Citizen Newspaper, February 24 1999
"The whole story about Ancient Macedonia sounds undoubtedly very nice. However, there is a great problem, a huge hole of about 2,000 years during which we have neither oral nor written tradition, nor a single scientific argument!” - former Prime Minister Ljubco Georgievski, FOCUS, 31 March 2008
"And whether Bulgarian consciousness exists in Macedonia, this is a historical legacy. We’re now writing our history. We can’t write that until 1940 we were Bulgarians and after 1940 Macedonians.” - Krste Crvenkovski (President of the Central Committee of the Union of Communists in the Socialist Republic of Macedonia) to Todor Zhivkov (First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Bulgaria) – May 19, 1967
'Why are we ashamed and flee from the truth that whole positive Macedonian revolutionary tradition comes exactly from exarchist part of Macedonian people? We shall not say a new truth if we mention the fact that everyone, Gotse Delchev, Dame Gruev, Gjorche Petrov, Pere Toshev - must I list and count all of them - were teachers of the Bulgarian Exarchate in Macedonia.' - former Prime Minister of FYROM, Ljubco Georgievski, 2007, in his book 'Facing the truth'
"The political and military leaders of the Slavs of Macedonia at the turn of the century seem not to have heard Misirkov's call for a separate Macedonian national identity; they continued to identify themselves in a national sense as Bulgarians rather than Macedonians. - long time FYROM supporter US anthropologist Loring Danforth, "The Macedonian Conflict: Ethnic Nationalism in a Transnational World", Princeton Univ Press, December 1995
This (US) Government considers talk of Macedonian "nation", Macedonian "Fatherland", or Macedonia "national consciousness" to be unjustified demagoguery representing no ethnic nor political reality, and sees in its present revival a possible cloak for aggressive intentions against Greece." - US Secretary of State E.Stettenius 1944
You write: "Macedonians have not indicated anything which would make 1 think they want to take Territory'
You really have no clue what you are taking about. Visit practically any FYROM run website and they claim Maceodnia Greece is "occupied" and chants of "united Macedonia". There sitting PM was even photographing laying a wreath showing 1/3 of our country annexed to his.
Αδελφέ, χρειάζονται οπωσδήποτε αγγλικοί υπότιτλοι! Εμείς οι Έλληνες αυτά τα ξέρουμε, πρέπει όμως, δυστυχώς, να υποστηρίζουμε συνέχεια τις θέσεις μας απέναντι στον υπόλοιπο κόσμο. Κάνε μια προσπάθεια για υποτιτλισμό. Το βίντεο είναι πάρα πολύ ωραίο. Μπράβο που το ανέβασες.
@loukrit ΔΑΝ απο δαναους?τι συλλογισμος ειναι αυτος?οπως τα θελουμε τα λεμε...και αν ελεγαν η φυλη των Αχ θα λεγαμε η φυλη των αχαιων?δεν πατε καλα μερικοι,αφηστε τον λιακοπουλο.
@loukrit efkaristo PER DIN...vres tin lexi afti sto leksiko tu Marko Bocari... ego den anigo puthena..ime kata ton kolofasiston i marksiston pu mas thelun ekthrus me tin agnosia tus.
@loukrit onira me orthanikta matia vlepun mia zoi mia meridha fasiston stin elada..den iparkun ekthri stis gnosis,ekthri iparkun sto skotos .opii ekun gnosis den fovute to skotos.me to na ekfrazi kapios mia apopsi den tha pi pos ine ekthros tis eladas kirie adhoni georgiadi
@loukrit logiki pederaston ekis file mu.me sena mono se kanena pornochat mpori kanis na senenoiti.jati ise kolofasistas pu ksemeronovradiazi to thes sto stoma kai sto kolo gia na sinelthis kai na sizitas san tus antropus..ara ti mbori na pi enas gamiolis pederastis pu ekei tis vrisies gia gnosi??
@loukrit HESYCHII ALEXANDRINOS LEXICON πραιναι-βη-πλαγαν-γουνασει-δερη-βραπτην-βρεμει-βραχειν-βειη-βραχε-γρουμος= prene-vi-plagan-gjunasi-dheri-vraptin-vremi-vrahin-vij-vrahe-grumos KAI ALA 2000 LEXIS PU INE KSENA GIA TIN ELLINIKI KAI I IDHIES ME TIN GLOSSA TON PELASGEON=TIN ALVANIKI .OK MISTER TAMTAKO???KAI TO IFOS SU KAI TO "MALAKA" VALTO STO KOLO SU MI SU GAMISO TIPOTA KIRIE KOLE
ΑΡΑ ΤΟ ΘΕΜΑ ΛΥΘΗΚΕ ΜΙΑ ΚΑΙ ΚΑΛΗ. ΤΕΛΕΙΩΣΕ ΤΟ ΠΑΡΑΜΥΘΙ. ΕΥΧΟΜΑΙ ΟΙ ΣΚΟΠΙΑΝΟΙ ΕΘΝΙΚΙΣΤΕΣ ΝΑ ΤΟ ΔΕΧΤΟΥΝ ΚΑΙ ΝΑ ΣΤΑΜΑΤΗΣΟΥΝ ΤΑ "ΠΑΝΥΓΗΡΙΑ", ΓΙΑΤΙ ΟΙ ΑΜΕΡΙΚΑΝΟΙ ΕΠΙΣΤΗΜΟΝΕΣ ΔΕΝ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΟΠΩΣ ΟΙ "ΕΠΙΣΤΗΜΟΝΕΣ" ΤΗΣ ΕΛΛΑΔΑΣ. ΕΙΝΑΙ ΟΠΩΣ ΟΛΟΙ ΓΝΩΡΙΖΟΥΜΕ ΑΠΟ ΤΟΥΣ ΚΑΛΥΤΕΡΟΥΣ ΚΑΙ ΠΙΟ ΑΝΤΙΚΕΙΜΕΝΙΚΟΥΣ. ΤΟ ΘΕΜΑ ΛΥΘΗΚΕ. ΘΑ ΠΑΡΑΚΑΛΕΣΩ, ΕΠΕΙΔΗ ΤΑ ΑΓΓΛΙΚΑ ΜΟΥ ΔΕΝ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΤΑ ΚΑΛΥΤΕΡΑ, ΝΑ ΒΡΕΘΕΙ ΚΑΠΟΙΟΣ ΝΑ ΜΕΤΑΦΡΑΣΕΙ ΣΤΑ ΑΓΓΛΙΚΑ ΑΥΤΟ ΤΟ ΒΙΝΤΕΟ. ΕΙΝΑΙ ΠΟΛΥ ΣΗΜΑΝΤΙΚΟ. ΕΥΧΑΡΙΣΤΩ ΠΟΥ ΤΟ ΑΝΕΒΑΣΑΤΕ!
@MysticTV777 OI SKOPIANI AFTO THELUN..NA TO SIZITISUME ,OMOS TE THEMA EXEI KLISEI PROTU ANIKSI GIATI I SLLAVI IRTHAN 1000 XRONIA META TON ALEXANDRO....AIDIA NA TO SIZITAME.
ΚΑΛΑ ΕΚΑΝΑΝ ΚΑΙ ΤΟ ΕΚΑΝΑΝ ΘΕΜΑ - ΣΥΜΦΕΡΕΙ ΤΗΝ ΕΠΙΣΤΗΜΗ. ΟΝΤΩΣ ΚΑΤΑΝΤΗΣΕ ΑΗΔΙΑ. ΑΦΟΥ ΙΣΤΟΡΙΚΑ ΔΕΝ ΣΤΕΚΕΤΑΙ Η ΘΕΩΡΙΑ ΤΟΥΣ... ΝΑ ΟΜΩΣ ΠΟΥ ΝΟΜΙΖΩ ΟΤΙ Ο ΜΥΘΟΣ ΠΟΥ ΕΦΤΙΑΞΑΝ ΘΑ ΜΕΙΝΕΙ. ΓΙ' ΑΥΤΟ ΠΡΕΠΕΙ ΝΑ ΣΥΖΗΤΗΘΕΙ ΤΟ ΘΕΜΑ ΚΑΙ ΝΑ ΑΚΟΥΣΤΟΥΝ ΟΙ ΕΠΙΣΤΗΜΟΝΕΣ, ΓΙΑ ΝΑ ΕΧΕΙ ΕΝΑ ΤΕΛΟΣ.
Τι κατάντια θεέ μου, τι πολιτιστικός όλεθρος, τόσα σχόλια ΟΛΑ ΣΤΑ GREEKLISH, όχι την μακεδονία, όλη την Ελλάδα θα μας πάρουν με τόσους σάπιους νεοέλληνες... κρίμα για την κατάντια μας...
to perdema sas me tus sllavus ine to eksis: oi logotekniki glosa=arxea elliniki itan mia glosa pu ftiaktike gia logoteknikus logus kai me to parodo tu krono egine glossa tis morfosis.tuti tin glossa edidaske o Aristotelis ston Alexandro.Tora sllavi pistevune oti tu didaske mia kseni glosa=tin elliniki.Ala afti i glosa den itane kseni gia ton alexandro kai ute mitriki,itan mia glosa pu pigazi apo tin koini glosa ton pellazgeon omos me logotekniki morfi. pio ellinika den mporo na to po
ekoume koini riza,tin pelazgiki.imaste aderfiki laei ellines kai alvani.afto apodikni i glosa mas.to provlima sas me tus sllavus ine oti pigate na kanete aderfia me tis izrailines thriskies kai oki me to patriko ema kai tin mitriki glosa.i mitera ton gloson ine mia mix metaksi alvanikis kai elliniks...afti ine i pellazgiki.pu ine to perdema sas me tus sllavus?thelete na po ti tapini mu gnomi???
Peonia before it was at illirian terrytory.After go to macedonas.this earth "belong" to the fathers of greeks and albanians=pelazgian one.this is the true .is crazy think to se the alexander flag to the sllavs..but for the albanian who live there is samthing simbolik,but not inaf atoll, becous this flag bilonge to the mix betwen greks and albanian.this is the true,but same of us are afrid to se the true.
afti i sizitisi metaksi sllavon kai ellinon fenete na einai stimeni metaksi ton dyo horon giati ine gnosti oti i sllavi den ipirxan epi tou alexandru.tin peonia kapote tin ikane oi illiri kai meta oi makedones.an einai na iparxi thema afto tha ine metaksi elladas kai alvanias kai oxi metaksi elladas kai tis sllavikes ordhes pu katevikane 1 000 xronia meta ton alexandro.kati pustofasistakia ellines kai alvani prospathun na mas kanun ekthrus me to zoi,eimaste omos oi pellazgji kai i dyo xores
Επειδή λες ότι οι αρχαίοι Μακεδόνες δεν ήταν Έλληνες και επειδή συνεχώς αναφέρεσαι στον Θωμόπουλο, ας δούμε τι γράφει για τους αρχαίους Μακεδόνες: ''Οι Μακεδόνες ήσαν αναμφισβητήτως Έλληνες, γλώσσα δε αυτών η Ελληνική''. Βλέπεις λοιπόν ότι και ο Θωμόπουλος θεωρούσε τους Μακεδόνες Έλληνες. Ό, τι σε συμφέρει παρουσιάζεις από τον Θωμόπουλο.
@GREECEANDMACEDONIA ..aderfe..jati pianese apo leksis?to ergo tu thomopulo apodhikni tin alvaniki san panarxea glosa ton pelazgeon.Tora otan apodhikni tin alvaniki pellazgiki glosa kai anaferi ton Tukididi IX 109 gia tus pelazgus pu zusane stin macedonia.To oro "ellines" den exei enia etnous aderfe,pote den eike afti tin enia.Afto to oros geniete me tin koini glosa tis morfosis =arxea elliniki ,pu ine i sinekia tis pellazgikis OMOS LOGOTEKNIKI
den parusiazo oti me simferi kai den iparxi logos na xanis tin psikremia su.prospathise na to katanoisis oti i elliniki glosa einai mia glosa ftiagmeni logotekniki me patera ton Goria apo tus Leondinus kata tu 427 bc.afti i glosa den itan i idia me ti glosa tu lau tis athinas kai oxi pia tis barbarikis macedonias.afto den tha pi oti tis leksis tis ellinikis tis parasxevaze o Gorjas..kapu akumbise.edo erkomaste stin vasi.
an me rotas pia ine i vasi? tha su po oti i vasi ine i pellazgiki .an me rotas an i elliniki ine i sinekia tis pellazgikis..tha su apandiso TO ERGO TU THOMOPULO pu den to ekis katalavi kala.Ne ine i sinekia tis pelazgigis i elliniki glosa giti iparkun ateliotes leksis pu ekun zoi apo tin pellazgiki stin elliniki.Pies leksis?Ksanadiavaze to Thomopulo.kai se parakalo papse na vlepis skies me anthellines pu dhen sas thelune otan milas mazi mu tuelaiston.
@MrAlfeko ti les re albani...taxeis paixei??eseis oi albanides eirthate mesa apo tn asia apo ton potamo Albano koda stin georgia...pou kolane oi ilirioi me tous albanides...kane mas ti xari
@Oblivion1821 lulu mila omorafa an ekis epikirimata kai mi riknis tin sizitisi sto pederazizmo.kat arkas Alba legete i arxea poli tis Romis prin tus romeus.Alba ine kai potamos sti Ravena-Alba iparki stin arkea Keria-Albion sti Skotia kai ala pola..Albania lei o Straboni mia fili sto kafkaso.kai giati kriazete ne dhenume ta ala onomata me tus alvanus??.....i eci se endiaferi esena??
@MrAlfeko florako esu na milas kalutera kai min postaris vromies apo to vothro sou otan les malakies kai asinartisies esu prokaleis prwtos oxi egw topiases albani??afta pou les alba kai alrloubes astes giatin propaganda pou sas kanoun sto sxoleio gia tin diastimiki megali albania...kai kala siga min eisai kai pelasgos esu...i oi albanides omoethnisou den ftaiw egw ama den sou mathane oti sas pirane oi tourkoi gia misthoforous kai egatastathikate sto meros pou zite twra
@Oblivion1821 katarkas kofto to albanidhes giati ine prosvoli an eqis ta logika su...kai to ironiko su albani kofto giate emena den mu aresi na se prosvalo kai na se ironevome.lipon ego den ime hazoviolis kai kolofasistas na eko megaloides kai tin fasi pu mu pasarane oti ithelane to eko perasi apo to 1990 otan idha to ekso kosmo..omos lipame gia afta pu sas mathenun akoma sta skolia sas giati ine lipira kai kseperazmena paramithia romantizmu
@MrAlfeko akou albani..einai polu asteio na mou milaei enas alvanos gia fasismo tin wra pou to idio tou to ethnos itan simaxos me tous nazi ,fasistes....1 to kratoumeno 2 simfwno apolita oti sta sxolia mas den mathenoume tipota kai theloun na mas exoun amathis kanei kali douleia i nea pagosmia taxi..paei kala to sxedio kissinger gia na mathei kapios pragmatiki elliniki istoria prepei na psaxei allou kai oxi sto sxoleo...aptin alli pleura sta dikas sas sxoleia gunete to ela na deis apo
@Oblivion1821 milate esis gia to fasismo??diavaze to Th Papamanoli "Katakavmenos Epiros "1945 gia na dis pola engrafa metaksi ellinikis dikisis kai ton germanon.to kolofasizmo mas e fere se mira na kanume aderfia tus ekthrus mpolsevikus.oso gia ta skolia mas kai to epipedo morfosis ekis dikeo giati pragmatika imaste piso ,omos aplothikame pandu sto kosmo kai fernume gnosis stin hora pu dhen mas epitrepan na milame tin glosa mas kati kali gitones
@Oblivion1821 ti na kanume file.etsi ine i alitia tis koinis katagogis ton ellinon kai ton alvanon apo tus pellazgeus...na milame gia glendia otan kserume oti to 1821 sti suli polemusane i vllamidhes besa bese -ellines kai alvani se mikto strato..oi tsamides ortodoksi diglosi kai oi alvani tu ali pasa,,,,,,kai simera milame kutoperifronika gia glendia kseknondas tin koini poria
@Oblivion1821 bah idea su..den ipa afto pistepseme ..afti ine gegenis sta patria tus edafi...fantazome pos den se pirazi pu milun tin albaniki san mitriki???
kata to 15 M.X kai bale aiwna...to oti epidi zite ekei pleon den sas kanei oute pelasgous oute illirious xonepste to...kai oute o kastriotis itan albani gia na min xexniomaste....
@Oblivion1821 ise gia klamata file.me tus pellazgus dhen tus dheno ego tus alvanus ala tus dheni i glosa tus pu ine grameni se xiliades epigrafes pu ekun erminefti kai ekdhothi se vivlia.Honepseto kai esi oti ta limata tis proellinikis glosas dhiknin tin alvaniki san glosa ton pellazgeon.i proti leksi tis iliadas ine MININ kai ine akoma to idhio me tin alvaniki "orgji" .kai ales 2000 lexis PRENE-KRUNE-VENE-VI-DALON-DELON-VRAHEN-VRAPTIN-ZEI-ZOTEATAS-IKI-kai ala pola....
@MrAlfeko filarako alvane taxeis paixei teleios...se ligo tha mas peis kai oti oi arxaioi ellhnes pirane apo tous...aniparktous tote alvanous tin glwssa kai to alfavito e re gledia...kai ti vivlia einai auta parakalo na gelasw??
@Oblivion1821 o oros albania den ipirxe sta arxea ma kai ute o oros ellines apodhikni pote kamia hora pera apo tin tekniti glosa tis morfosis.ego diavazo pola kai diafora apo malakes eos epistimones kai stin elliniki glosa .tin gnomi tu Thukididi stin isodho tis istorias ton peleponesiakon polemon apodhikni simera i epistimi
@MrAlfeko oso gia ton oro ellinas ama den upirxe stin arxaiotita mou dixneis poso anideos asxetos eisai...kai amatheis...afieromeno loipon albane...Εστίν με ουν Ελλάς και η Μακεδονία, νυνί μέντοι τη φύσει των τόπων ακολουθούντες και τω σχήματι χωρίς έγνωμεν από της άλλης Ελλάδος τάξαι και συνάψαι προς όμορον αυτής Θράκης.Στράβων Γεωγραφικά, 7 perastika sou
@Oblivion1821 "i makedonia stin arki legotane emathia,iparxei kai poli me to idio onoma tin opia ti katikun iliri kai epiriotes" Tit Livi. "sto kersoniso tu Atho kai simera zune oi pelazgi" Thukididi IX 109.o oros ellinas dhinete stus morfomenus.."OI ELLINES INE I METEKONDES TIS ELLINIKIS PEDIAS" ISOKRATI..."I PROSARMOGI SITIN ELLINIKI GLOSA THA E PERNE POLI KAIRO GIATI DEN ITAN GLOSA PU ANTHIZE STA KOILI TON ANTROPON ALA MATHENOTAN STA GRAMATA."ISTOR.ELLIN.GLOSS.ARXIO.LOGO. HIS.1999 ATHIN
@Oblivion1821 "OI ELLINIKI GLOSA VGIKE EKSO APO TA TOIXEI TIS ATHINAS META APO DYO ITES TON ATHINEON APO TIN SPARTI KAI MAKEDONIA 328 B C" ISTORIA TIS ELLINIKIS GLOSAS-ARXIO LOGOTEKNIKO KAI HISTORIKO-ATHINA 1999 BEST SELLER....me to na arrnithite tis agnostes proellinikes lexis pu paramenun san limata tis proellinikis epidhioknete to meridhio tu leondas ..kai ftasate na hasete tin taftotita sas qe na lete aderfia tus sllavus ..pu san kala aderfia sas andamivun tora
@MrAlfeko eisai gia gelia pragmatika...den axizei na asxolithw allo mazi sou apla eisai gia gelia...squiperaki den toxeis to thema eisai se vathmo malakinsis asxetos kai anistoritos...geia xara
se afta ta korafia zusane oi pellazgi prota...meta ipirxe i sinexia illiriki kai i peonia stus ilires..argotera stus maqedones.apo to mega aleksandro kai pros ta do o laos aftos itan diglosos me glosa tu kratus tin elliniki.aleksandros e mathe tin elliniki sto skolio=ellinas tu isokrati.oi glosa tu lau dhen e zvise ala prokorise paralila me tin glosa tu kratus..afto den thelun na dhektune i ellines..eno i sllavi pezune oti epekse o paparigopulos me ton falmerayer gia tin elada kapote
an o pateras tu mega alexandru legotan varvaros kai epidhikni na apodhiksi oti ine apo tin idhia fara me aftus pu legute ellines,tote vres to Isokrati gia na su milisi gia tin aplosi tis ellinikis glosas gia na ginun ellines kai i ipolipi.
kai telefteo.stin arkea elliniki glosa iparkun kapies ksenes mi ellinikes leksis san "ais-afar-atar-gunon-eiki-vrahe-vemi......peripu 2000 teties leksis pu mono metafrazute sta elenika san ksenes..an su perase pote sto mialo i diaspasi tis proellinikis stin elliniki kai tin iliriki isos na vris tin alithia gia ton aderfiko lao tis elladas..eos tote sinexizete na pistevete oti ta aderfia sas ta ferni i ortodoksia kai oki to patriko ema kai i mitriki glosa
Τα αδέρφια μας δεν τα φέρνει η ορθοδοξία. Δεν είναι αδέρφια μας οι Σέρβοι, αλλά οι Αλβανοί, διότι οι Έλληνες και οι Αλβανοί έχουν κοινή καταγωγή. Όσον αφορά στους αρχαίους Ηπειρώτες και Μακεδόνες έχεις λάθος, δίοτι είναι αποδεδειγμένο ότι ήταν Έλληνες Δωριείς.
ok file mu,eci ine.Oso gia tus Doris gnorizume oti milousane ena dialekto tis pelazgikis eolikis glosas.apo to miks tis jonoatikis me tin eolodorikou proerxete oi koini elliniki...se afti tin glossa ekpedeftike o aleksandros kai tin metadose pantou.oi tasi na legoute ellines oi doris exei vasi,omos meta to 4-3 eona pro kristou,oki pio prim.
@MrAlfeko den yparxoun stoixeia gia enan isxyrismo pws h arxaia makedonikh dialectos htan pelasgikh. o mesos ellinas akomh kai shmera katanoei oles tis makedonikes epigrafes, apo to arxaio skoutari (skodra) ews to afganistan. to idio isxyei k anaforika stis alles dorikes dialectous pou milagan sth Sparth k sth Magnesia. ektos k an isxyrizesai emmesos plin safos oti h pelasgikh einai katanohth akomh apo olous toys ellinofonous plithismous tis valkanikhs apo tin arxaiotita mexri stis meres mas.
arvanitarius...omilis tis dyo glosses kai kseris poli kala na diekrinis pji lexis prokorun stin elliniki kai pji oxi.i arxes ellinike epigrafes...profanos enois mete ton 4-3 pro kristu...kai den eko kamia amfivolia gia afto,etsi ine.o megas alaksandros e mathe tin elliniki kai tin diadose pandu..kai meta oi romeoi kai i vizantini.Thukididi IX 109 su mlaei gia tus pelasgus tis makedonia..eno apenandi stin limno i parki epigrfi stin mitriki su arvanitiki glosa
o triumfos tis ellinikis glossas mekri na gjini glossa olon ton ellinon egjine meta apo 2 ites tis athinas apo tin Sparta kai Makedonia ..322 p x.edho kolane i sllavi pu ftasan edo 1000 xronia meta to thanato tu aleksandro...afti ine logiki trelas me dhidhaktra apo to elliniki pedhia ine mia apandisi stin idia logjiki ton ellinon me tin Dodona pu ta pio arxea evrimata me to zori ftanun 200 xronia meta ton omiro...to idhio kanun tora i sllavi kai den sas aresi
Από ό, τι κατάλαβα εσύ είσαι Αλβανός. Οι αρχαίοι Ηπειρώτες ήταν Έλληνες Δωριείς και κατοικούσαν στην Ήπειρο πολύ πριν την εποχή του Ομήρου, από το 1200 π.Χ. Αυτά έχουν αποδείξει διαπρεπείς ιστορικοί, όπως ο Hammond και ο Borza. Οι Ηπειρώτες ήταν Έλληνες, για αυτό και συμμετείχαν στους Ολυμπιακούς αγώνες, στους οποίους μόνο Έλληνες επιτρέπονταν να συμμετέχουν. Μόνο εσείς οι Αλβανοί υποστηρίζετε ότι οι αρχαίοι Ηπειρώτες δεν ήταν Έλληνες, γιατί διεκδικείτε την Ήπειρο.
kai poli kala katalavate.An itan i arxeoi epiriotes ellines den thelo na to sizitisume giati den iparxoun ikni tous pera apo tis apikies ..kai apikies ipirkane kai stin ispania-galia-afganistan.oi arxei den vriskun ellines ute stin ipiro kai ute stin makedonia,antithetos vriskun tus babarus...ksenikos laos=mi ellines.o Isokratis mas leei oti oi ellines ine i metekontes tis ellinikis pedhias=opios matheni ellinika
Οι Σκοπιανοί δεν είναι Βούλγαροι. Μη χαρίζεις 2 εκατομμύρια ανθρώπους στους Βούλγαρους. Οι Σκοπιανοί είναι Έλληνες-γενίτσαροι που έχουν λησμονήσει την καταγωγή τους και νομίζουν ότι είναι εθνικά Μακεδόνες.
emis i alvani den diekdikume kanena ipiro giati san laos kai san epistimi kimomaste orthii.esis i ellines den kserete ti diekdikite.lete ellines tus arvanites-tus tsamides orthodoksus-tus sllavus kai tus vlahikus otan gia mitriki glosa ekune mia glosa mi elliniki..gia afto mi pulas se mas ta katarthomata sas.den ipa oti o laos tis makedonias kai tis ipiru itan albanikos laos ala ipa pos den itan elinikos pera apo tis apikies..mathete na to honepsete
@MrAlfeko efoson eisai Alvanos kalo einai na thymasai oti o Claudius Ptolemeus (2nd century AD) grafei thn prwth istorikh anafora gia Alvanous pou zoyn sti Valkanikh k toys sygkatalegei stous laous tis Makedonias, k oxi stous Illyrious. Opoiadhpote anafora se arxaious Alvanous apo tin Alvanopolis pou dithen itan Illyrioi einai aythaireth k stereitai istorikhs phghs k pragmatikhs vashs. Ekeinoi oi Alvanoi apo tin Alvanopolis htan Epirotomakedones. Oi Romaioi tote onomazan tin perioxh Nea Hpeiros.
simfono,omos stin arxea apollonia uparxi epigrafi stin illiriki glossa me elliniko apofonima xaire...FIMIA YJNERON XAIRE..apo ton 3 eona prokristu....afto tha pi oti i illiriki ine i idhia i alvaniki.Hesychi Alexandrinos lexicon mas leei oti " vra" etsi lene oi iliri ton adelfo ..kai lipa..aragje peftun aftes i teories.oso gia tin arvanitiki kai to pellazgiko tis proerkomo dhes ta ksena limata tis arxeas ellinikis-vemi-vi-van-iki-ikin-gjunon....i desto thomopulo kai kupitori
Σάματις, βλέπεις τίποτε δήθεν Ιλλυρικά που δεν είναι Ελληνικά; Το ευφημία ή το νερό; Ή μήπως το ''ουγί'' που ξέρεις καλά τι σημαίνει. Αυτό που δεν ξέρεις είναι σε ποια γλώσσα σημαίνει αυτό που καταλαβαίνεις εσύ σήμερα. Να σου θυμήσω μήπως το Αιγαίο που σημαίνει ακριβώς το ίδιο με αυτό που καταλαβαίνεις σήμερα και εσύ;
Μήπως να αναφέρω ακόμη το Άιγιο και την Αίγινα, τον αιγιαλό, το περιγιάλι και άλλες αρχαιοελληνικές λέξεις που γνωρίζει και χρησιμοποιεί σήμερα ακόμη ο μέσος Έλληνας; Σε παρακαλώ, βλάμη, μη μου δείχνεις τις αρχαιοελληνικές λέξεις ή ρίζες που σώζονται σήμερα στη Σκυπεταρική γλώσσα για δήθεν Ιλλυρικές ή ξένες ως προς την Ελληνική πρωτογλώσσα των παππούδων μας.
iparxoun kai oi epigrafes pelazgikes vlami..oi eteokritikes-limnou-likogreke k lp..kai aftes oi epigrafes pou protoevgale sto fos o thomopulos 1912-Pellazgika-omilun tin idia glosa me ti dikasu mitriki kai ti dikamou..den pao sta tifla..gnorizo to zitima
Μπορεί να ξέρεις το βιβλίο του Θωμόπουλου, αλλά παρουσιάζεις ό, τι σε συμφέρει από αυτόν και αγνοείς την Ελληνική ιστορία. Οι Αιολείς, οι Ίωνες και οι Δωριείς ήταν από τα κύρια Ελληνικά φύλα, ενώ εσύ λες ότι δεν ήταν Ελληνικά. Ο Θωμόπουλος απέδειξε ότι η Αλβανική είναι γλώσσα Ελληνική και ότι οι Αλβανοί είναι Έλληνες. Στην αρχή του βιβλίου του γράφει: ''Οι Αλβανοί εισίν έθνος Ελληνοπελασγικόν''. Σε άλλη σελίδα του βιβλίο του γράφει: ''Η Αλβανική είναι Ελληνική διάλεκτος''.
ondos...omos me tin enia oti oi alvaniki ine oi pellazgjiki kai apo eki proerxete kai oi elliniki glosa....dhen to leo ego afto me tus eoles kai tus jones..to leei o Irodotos kai to apodhikni oi simerini epistimi.Eksartate pos to krisimiopis esi ton oro "ellina"...an enoois "ellados pedhefsis"..tote alazun pola..ala ellina sta tifla koris apodhiksis einai apla ena mithos.Ta limata tis proellinikis ine alvanikes leksis..oi arvanitikes ,pare tis opos thes.
Εγώ που δεν γνωρίζω Αλβανικά, καταλαβαίνω τα Αιολικά, τα Ιωνικά και τα Δωρικά. Το αν η Αλβανική είναι Πελασγική δεν είναι αποδεδειγμένο είναι απλώς η θεωρία του Θωμόπουλου. Άλλοι, όπως ο Αρβανίτης Λουκάς Μπέλλος στο βιβλίο του ''Αλβανικά ή αι τρεις ζώσαι διάλεκτοι της Ελληνικής γλώσσης'' θεωρεί ότι πρώτη είναι η Ελληνική γλώσσα και από αυτήν προέρχεται η Αλβανική. Το αντίθετο δηλαδή από αυτό που υποστηρίζει ο Θωμόπουλος.
omos ego gnorizo ellinika kai eko mitriki tin alvaniki glosa kai etsi mu ine efkolo na diakrino pji leksis iparkun ine ksenes pros tin ellinik kai i idies stin alvaniki.teories iparkun poles..i epigrafes apodhikniun tin pellazgjiki os alvaniki glosa-Limno-Eteokrites- kai ego mporo na katalavo giati ksero tis dyo gloses..oki mono afto ala iparxi ena mori lekseon pu parameni to idio stis dyo gloses...vemi-ven-veno-ane+veno klp
Γνωρίζεις Ελληνικά, αλλά δεν νομίζω ότι έχεις τόση βαθειά γνώση της Ελληνικής, ώστε να γνωρίζεις αρχαία Ελληνικά. Αν γνώριζες αρχαία Ελληνικά θα καταλάβαινες ότι τα Ιωνικά είναι Ελληνικά. Η σύγχρονη επιστήμη έχει αποδείξει ότι οι μυκηναϊκές πινακίδες του 1500 π.Χ. ήταν γραμμένες σε γλώσσα Ελληνική και όχι Πελασγική, όπως λες, και ότι συνεπώς οι Αχαιοί ήταν Έλληνες. Όσον αφορά στα Αλβανικά και εγώ ξέρω λίγα Αλβανικά, une nuk jam Shqiptar.
perimene aderfe....ti lete esis jonika???ta xeirografa???ma afta ine poli nea gia na diekdhikun tin glosa ton jonon tis atikis kai mikras asias..kai ton apikion tus...etsi?oso afora tin gramiki B pistevo pos afto den pezi pja os elliniki.dhes "Istoria tis ellinikis glossas" apo ton"istituto tis laografikis kai tu istoriku arkio"Athina 1999...dhes "Histotoria dela lingua Grecia" F R Adrados Madrid 2002?..elliniki metafrasi..
Εγώ έχω μελετήσει τις πινακίδες της Γραμμικής Β και καταλαβαίνω ότι είναι Ελληνικά, όπως εσύ καταλαβαίνεις ότι είναι στα Αλβανικά οι πινακίδες που ερμηνεύει ο Θωμόπουλος. Αν η Γραμμική Β δεν είναι Ελληνική, τότε κατά τη γνώμη σου σε τι γλώσσα είναι;
kai ego ta eko meletisi...J T Hooker Linear b at Introduction..kai opos kseris den denute dhyo lexis mazi gia na pis oti ine elliniki afti i glosa..DHEN TO DHEKUTE I SIMERINI EPISTIMONES TIN IPARKSI ELLINIKI TIS GRAMIKIS B
Τι λες τώρα; Και εγώ έχω μελετήσει το βιβλίο του Hooker όπως και το βιβλίο του Chadwick και λένε ότι η Γραμμική Β είναι Ελληνική. Όσον αφορά στις Πελασγικές επιγραφές του Θωμόπουλου κανένας επιστήμονας δεν συμφωνεί με τις αποκρυπτογραφήσεις του.
den simfonun giati oi koloturkia mas afise agramatus..tus arvanites pu i kserane gramata tus e pnikse i mania tu filelenizmu tis Bavarias..o Chadwick den apodikni tipota pera apo onomata kai toponimies i opies einai gnostes os proellinikes.otan ksipnisi oi albanologia tha ine alios..kai ine adhinaton koris tin voidhia tis ellinologia na pame ena vima parapera..mono oi diglosis tho voithisune na vgume apo tin krisi
aderfe..edo benume se kati korafia pu kriazonte na anevume apo ta limata tis proellinikis stin glosa ton pellazgjeon.Kata tin gnomi mu ine mia glosa kathari pellazgjiki ..as ksekatharisume pos ine i proelliniki kai meta milame...pistevo pos ine mia mitriki tis ellinikis kai tis illirikis..koris burdhes me idoevropianizmus..oi glosa ton ntopion.kata emena pu ksero tis dyo gloses i elliniki me tin alvaniki ekune polla koina proellinika=pellazgjika kai oi dyo...
san idea ne..san praksi poteeeeeeeeeee.san idea :1- mia perioxi stin opia miliotan mia glosa apo tin opia diaspastikane i evropaikes gloses kai ena dialekto tis indias......afto to dhekome.Ala i parxi i perioqi kai afti ine i pellazgjiki pu ine mitriki glosa.iparxi istoriki vasi stis istories ton galazoemon tis evropis pu oli lene pos proerkonde apo tu makondes stin tria.iparki sinexia arkeologiki apo ton 8000 mekri simera.
@MrAlfeko min mperdeveis ta Hindi pou milane stin India simera me ta Sanskritika pou isos itan dialectos tis Ellinikis. Allo Dravides, allo Indides. Kai fysika, allo oi simerinoi Indoi pou milane Hindi k xilies dyo alles glosses.
@topallia olos o ellinikos laos einai enomenos kai paramenei mazi mas sti maxi me ta MAT stin Keratea. arage na symbainei to idio k sti Xeimara? Akoma fylakismenos einai o Arvanitis Dimarxos Bolanos? Ti egine pali ekei? Evale mipos kamia tampela sto dromo sti glossa mas?
"Ga tri mouaje nani arvanitete luftonjene shtetin helene". Arbërorët Kjeratesë kërkuan ga Pangaloua të iknë horofilakët ga katundi ture çë përpara 3 muaj deklaruar i lefterosur ga shteti. Pagalloua u tha çë prota të shkojnë Keratiotëtë ga vedi ture de pastaj MAT. Shikoni si u gjegjnë Keratiotët:
@topallia mari grapse ρωμαίικα 'i aglisthe gia na se katalavoun oloi k mi metafereis se makedoniko video ti grafoun kapoioi toyrkalvanoi pou prospathoun na ksanaginoun ellines arvanites.
@Arvanitarius...shhhhttttttttttttt that video is Eurpean and greek historian, nothing macedonina! And no I do not need greek documents I live in USA...;) Nata e mire Arvanite
@Arvanitarius arvaniti ..den i parkun turkoalvani pera apo tin simferusa skepsi tis ortodoksias..i alvani ine alvani apo mitriki glosa kai patriko ema,kai oki apo tin izrailini triskia.kai se parakolo pezmu gia ta arvanitika pjo pano an ta gnorizis i oki ..Ga tri mouaje nani arvanitete luftonjene.....tris mines tora i arvanites polemun...an dhen ta anagnorizis pes mas oti den kseris arvanitika..ine i idhia i alvaniki glosa
@MrAlfeko oi arxaioi Alvanoi pou zousan stin arxaia Alvanopolis itan Ellines to genos k milagan Ellinika. O Klavdios Ptolemeos (2os aionas mX) anaferei oti ekeinoi oi Alvanoi apo tin Alvanopolis itan Makedones. Den leei tipote gia Illyrious. Kopse tin propaganda, vlami. Den giname oloi Toyrkoi oute xasame ta myala mas gia toyrkikous parades. Emeis eimaste akoma Ellines. Eseis allaksate.
@Arvanitarius katarkas katse na vrume tin albanopoli kai meta as milusume.Na ksekathariso oti gamo tin turkia kai tin turkiki fara gia afto as mi to sizitisume pia afto.i propoganda oso ine myslimani ine turki kai osi ine ortodoksi ine ellines itan mia propoganda me vathies rizes kai ekthriki gia opion theli na legjete alvanos.mu anaferis ton Klaudio...kai omos den anaferis oti i elliniki itan i glosa ton nomon tis monaxizmou sti autokratiki roma..edo dhese tin sinexia pu thelis na pis
@Arvanitarius oi moni pu den alaksane ine afti pu den pistepsane stis izarilines thriskies kai minan pisti tis arxeas paradosis sta enthima tus.propoganda den kano otan milao gia tin koini proelfsi tis alvanikis kai tis ellinikis apo tin pellazgiki.tora pji alaksane as mi to sizitisume giati ine fos fanari.an imun turkos tha milusa turkiki san mitriki..an imuna ellinas tha milusa ellinika san mitriki.ime omos alvanos kai eko mitriki tin alvaniki kai patriko ema alvaniko kai ime iperifanos
@Arvanitarius kai poli kala ta les "arvanitis dimarkos bollanos" gia na katalavune merika zoa stin alvania oti i mitriki glosa ton onomazomenon "vorioepiros" ine i alvaniki opos i arvanitiki glosa=i alvaniki...kai i ellines ine i metekontes tis ellinikis pedias...opo ton Isokrati eos simera.
@MrAlfeko i mitriki glossa ton vorioepiroton einai i elliniki. i arvanitophonia den yphrxe anekathen. mi les vlakeies k anistorita pragmata. ellinika milagan mexri to dyrrachio os ton 6o aiona mX (Prokopius) k onomazan eaytous Epirotes. Mh les oti theleis giati ti glossa k to lao mas. Ellinika milage k egrafe k o Kastriotis. Alvanika den iksere k to kseris kala. Allios dose stoixeia an exeis. Allios, kane tin papia.
@Arvanitarius .oso milaei o arvanitis ellinika san mitriki glosa toso milaei kai o vorioepiritis.Mi hanis tin logiki su .elenika milane kai sto avganistan-ispania-france-egjypt ..kai ine pasignosti oti i elliniki eftase ekei me tis apikies.kai an telis na milame kai na sizitame politizmena kai me gnosis tote min perdevis tis apikies me to ethnos.tu kastrioti iparkun gramata sta latinika ellinika kai turkika..pes mas ti itan telika?ta simvola tu kastrioti ine PELLAZGIKA
@MrAlfeko O Bollanos einai ELLINAS Voreioepirotis. Sostos Arvanitis diladi. Oxi san allous pou poulisan to ethnos toys gia tous Tourkalvanous. An diafoneis na mou to peis na kopsoume tin kouventa edo k tora. O idios leei oti einai Ellinas k troei k ksylo gia ton Ellinismo. Mi ginesai FASISTAS giati tha se vriso asxima. Katalaves?
@Arvanitarius MARESI I LOGIKI SU.mono pu i arvanites kai i alvani omilun tin idia glosa=tin alvaniki.katarkas fasistas den ime kai ute eko tasis kai fasistikes skepsis sto mialo mu.mporis se parakalo na me diafotizis ligaki?ti enooite esis me tin leksi "ellinas"??o Bollanos maxetai gia ta ekatomiria tou kai panda ine kolo kai vraki me tus kivernites tis alvanias.i fara tu ine vlakiki ,kai i mitriki glosa tu ine vlakiki=mi elliniki.apo pu kai os pou ine ellinas kapios pu milaei mi elliniki glosa?
@Arvanitarius kai me to zori den se krato vre aderfe..an thelis sizitame an dhen thelis den sizitame.min hanis tin logiki su an pistevis pos ekei dikio..an nomizis pos me na me vrizis askima tha ekei dikeo kai olas..ti na su po ego?toso ftani to mialo su.kai ego akuo kotsanes kai apando omorfa...an thes vrizis vrize..ksero kai ego na vrizo kai na sinenoomaste politizmena gia to thema pu sizitame.
@topallia mathame molis proxthes oti me tin kalipsi tis tourkalvanikis kybernisis kai tis astynomias sas kapsate zontanoys pollous athwous tsigganoalvanous se ena katavlismo sti xora sas. etsi tha mpeite stin evropi re tourkalvanoi? kaigontas tous anthropous zontanoys k kanontas ta strava matia? ntropi se olous sas pou epitrepete akomi na ginontai tetoia pragmata ekei. oi toyrkoi fygane, to pirate xambari ore? i antrhopini zoh exei axia oti k na nai o allos. koloratsistes, toyrkalvanoi.
@Arvanitarius,,,,LMAOOOOO you talk about burning things! You guys have almost more than 2 years that are protesting and burning things! Europe has asked you to sell everything, and even removing you from the EU because of the mess with the economy you have made. So if you want to talk about being turkoalvanos, look at the mirror "greko-Maskara". Ohhh by the way did you see the new video I send you, talks about the real greek history, and they were greek and european historians..:)
@topallia katse na se kseblocaro prota mori tourkala. se deka lepta ksanastile to video. axortagi de sou ftani to reziliki soy perisi, zitas k allo efeto. ante mari!
@Arvanitarius,,,hahahahaha You may have more turkish blood than me, the reason is cause my ancestors were mountaineers, were the turks could not reach...keep watching the video...:))
@GREECEANDMACEDONIA apo tin pellazgjiki stin elliniki kseqinane ta prota dhania..apo tin elliniki stin latiniki kai apoekei pandu stin evropi..afti einai i vasi ton koinon lexeon..tora irthane..apo edo kai apo ekei den apodhikniete tipota mekri simera..poles idees ja tipota
@GREECEANDMACEDONIA ena parapano oti dekomaste ton Omiro san to pio arxeotero tis gnostis istorias tis evropis ..prim afton den gnorizume..mono ikasies.ekume tin vasi kai psaknume adika tis malakies ton germanon
Fyrom government is branwashing it's citizens and children just like how hitler brainwashed the citizens to make them think they are "the perfect race" or how the japanese taught during the ww2 that americans were humans who eat flesh/killed everyone etc. so that the people never betrayed japan.
THE EXACT SAME FUCKIN THING is going on with fyrom. They DEFY history, FREAKING HISTORY, in their own propaganda and they're so stupid they only see history from their countries books. Holy fuck >.>
naevan1 2 months ago
Ας λένε ότι θέλουν. Η ιστορία έχει αποδείξει ποιά είναι η ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ.
archaggeloswings 8 months ago
@loukrit You have made a lot of factual errors.
1)GB is just the name of the island(England+Wales+Scotland), it does not include Northern Ireland, which is part of UK & which TOO is part of EU.
BTW, Brittany is called Bretagne in French !
Check your facts again (don't listen to propaganda, check the page yourself) , about military spending Macedonia spends 1.7% of GDP(ranked 114), while Greece spends 3.2%(ranked 20). Why is a beggar state like Greece spending billions on military ? huh ?
MrJekyllDrHyde1 9 months ago
@MrJekyllDrHyde1 Greece is spending billions of on military for 2 reasons. 1st is Turkey. and 2nd is because countries like France, USA, England Germany etc. are making loan deals with the corupted greek governments since 1820s. Deals that includes many additional terms like buying military equipment and other factory products (clothes...etc) from the specific country that gives us the Loan. Read some economical-political history before u write ?huh? like a bitch
asimask 1 month ago
@asimask Is this a joke ?did you think i don't have access to internet or ways to verify this ?
Greece does not have any threat from Turkey, the possibility of any fight between them is very remote, especially as both are members of NATO.
As for the loans, what has that got to do with the issue ? The Greek govt has been wasting money & there is not need to blame others for it
PS: did i realize you are digressing from the issue ?
MrJekyllDrHyde1 1 month ago
@MrJekyllDrHyde1 Greece does not have a any threat from Turkey? humm.. lets see..
1974 - Turkey invates to cyprus.
1994 - Turkey invates to the Greek Imia islets
23/5/2006 - Greek pilot dies after he received the fire from a turkish pilot in greek air space
2007 - The plan sledgehammer of turkish army wich includes invasion to Greece is revealed.
Almost everyday - Turkish airplanes and Turkish ships violate Greek airspace and greek territorial sea.
Yes u are right, i see no threat.
asimask 1 month ago
@asimask 1974: erm, Turks invade Cyprus after Greeks try to topple Cypriot Govt. Technically, Greek are a thread to Cyprus & Turks aren't threat for Greece.
1994: OMG, all the residents of the uninhabited islands must be very inconvenienced.
2006: You think THAT is a threat - & not an accident. really, how paranoid are you ?
2007: Dude, all nations have such exercises for their neighbors.
You really need medication ..seriously. Why would anyone try to take over a poor hopeless Greece?
MrJekyllDrHyde1 1 month ago
@MrJekyllDrHyde1
1974 - turkey invades Cyprus, after greek JUNTA tries to topple Cypriot gov. Correct.
As a result of turkish actions, 200.000 GREEK cupriots were expelled from their homes in northen Cyprus and became refugees in their own homeland, 4000 ppl died and 1619 were declared as missing. Greece is a threaT to Cyprus??
1994 - According to the researches conducted, in the sea under the Imia islands there was found, that it was rich in presius minerals, and gas.....
asimask 1 month ago
@asimask Seriously, do you assume i don't have access to information ? Why would you keep posting 1-sided info ??
The 200K figure is grossly overestimated & you seem to forget about Turkish Cypriots who were killed/displaced by Greek Cypriots.
About Imia, i am amused that you assume that Greek claim is agreed by anyone-or that there is consensus about its sovereignty.
Try again, think of some REALLY scary thing which Turks have done (or make up something as you seem to be an expert)
MrJekyllDrHyde1 1 month ago
@MrJekyllDrHyde1 The ENTIRE turkish history is nothing but massacre and theft. From the time the illiterate and nomadic horde of seljuks swept into Anatolia attacking peaceful Byzantine villages and selling their populations into slavery to the Adana massacre, Chios Massacre, Orlov massacres, Batak massacre, Dersim massacre, Armenian Genocide, Assyrian Genocide, Pontic Massacre, 1955 istanbul Pogroms. etc. etc. etc. Turks are sub-humans who know only how to kill.
AegeanKing 1 week ago
@AegeanKing Look no one claims that Turks are angels... & sure enough just like most BIG cultures, they have had their share of massacres. I guess you would agree that Greeks aren't angels too.
The fact that you choose to call them "sub-humans" betrays your little understanding of science/genetics & your racism. I am sorry, but you need to grow up.
MrJekyllDrHyde1 1 week ago
@MrJekyllDrHyde1 Genetics? Are you a moron? Sub-human in behavior idiot, not in actual real life. LOL! Turn your brain on. Compared to Turks, Nazis are Angels. Turkish built their Empire on the smoldering ruins of hundreds of peaceful Byzantine cities. They even attacked fellow Muslims to gain power in the middle east. Turks are just illiterate nomads from Asia who know nothing but violence. Turks have accomplished nothing but mass death.
AegeanKing 1 week ago
@MrJekyllDrHyde1 Even your most famous architect, Mimar Sinan, was born an Armenian Christian. All of your major Palaces including Dolmabahce, Beylerbey and Ciragan Palaces were built by the ARMENIAN Balyan family. They also built most of your mosques. Turks are stupid and lazy and are only good at killing, theft and rape.
AegeanKing 1 week ago
@MrJekyllDrHyde1 Turks even had SLAVE MARKETS in Istanbul until the 20th CENTURY!!!!!
AegeanKing 1 week ago
@MrJekyllDrHyde1 ...(cont.) 1994 - good reason for a country to invade to a couple of uninhabited islands dont u think? Besides that, this is Greek territory, and we will split our blood before we let anyone to take an inch of it, no matter what and where it is. Got it?
2006 - Foreign heavily armed, military airplanes flying around on your air space is not a theat? According to the turkish pilot, it was not an accident, he addmited that he fired a missile. Got it?
asimask 1 month ago
@MrJekyllDrHyde1 2007 : All national armies, have plans to take the control of the goverment and invade to the neighbor country? I dont think that this is normal, cause when this plan was revealed in turkey, hundreds of military personnel go to jail.
Why would someone want to take over greece? Because its Rich in petrol-gus-gold- and presious minerals, and its an AMAZING piece of land! And u have to know that the last thing that Greece will ever be, is hopeless. Lil bitch
asimask 1 month ago
@MrJekyllDrHyde1 I will stop arguing with you now, cause i know that u will just dissagree to anything i say, respoding me with bullshits. You obvioulsy for some reason trying to tease Greeks, but u are so ignorant that u are doing it wrong. Only one think i have to say to you before i end this conversation. You are my lil bitch and i fuck you.
asimask 1 month ago
@MrJekyllDrHyde1 As for the loans. That is THE issue my lil bitch. The greek govt has been wasting money, thats for sure, but those money are Greek ppl money, they dont come from the loans. The great majority of the loans that Greece received, went to pay older loan interests. We acctually have payed back to the lenders something like +14000% the actual money that we recieved. Other parts of the loan went to help the economies of the counties wich gave the loan, like france or germany.
asimask 1 month ago
@MrJekyllDrHyde1 And there are many ways to support a countries economy. One way is to buy expensive military equipment other way is to take big expensive loans and pay the interest. Hit your head in the wall now and relieve the universe from your meaningless existance.
asimask 1 month ago
@loukrit Macedonia is called FYROM almost exclusively by Greece & western Europe. So, you you need to get used to this soon.
Listen, nobody is denying the genealogy which you are stating. But greeks do not have the right to dictate what a nation wants to call itself. And because of geographical reasons, Macedonians have all the right to call itself Macedonia.
Phew, there are places named like 'Malaka' in Spain & Malaysia, but I do not see you concerned about them !
MrJekyllDrHyde1 9 months ago
@MrJekyllDrHyde1.U say greeks dont have the right to dictate what a nation calls its a self. I will partly agree with u, and give u an example. Lets say that someday someone moves next to your house, in a place that used to be yours. He is now ur neiber. Suddenly, he decides to call himself with ur name.. Even more suddenly after a couple of days, he decides that he is you, and you are not who you are, and now he does not just calls himself with your name, but also claims whats yours...
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@MrJekyllDrHyde1 offcourse u dont have the right to dictate how your neiber wants to call himself, but what happends if he uses ur name, and your history, and your ancestors, and he claims whats yours, even your land? I am sure u have the answer in to your stupid head my lil bitch.
asimask 1 month ago
@loukrit Traitor ? Me ? How is this a issue of 'humanity' ?
I do not seem to understand why this is a important issue ? Greeks need to get used to the fact that they are just a poor sorry nation & get used to the fact a nation next to them is called MACEDONIA.
MrJekyllDrHyde1 9 months ago
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The former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians can call themselves "Chinese" if they like. It does not make it so.
"The whole story about Ancient Macedonia sounds undoubtedly very nice. However, there is a great problem, a huge hole of about 2,000 years during which we have neither oral nor written tradition, nor a single scientific argument!” - former Prime Minister of FYROM Ljubco Georgievski, FOCUS, 31 March 2008
GemistusPletho 9 months ago
Greeks really have NOTHING better to do... really ?
Find something else to do than to hassle Macedonians :)
MrJekyllDrHyde1 9 months ago
@MrJekyllDrHyde1
Putting all historical narratives aside for a moment, Ancient Macedonia is PHYSICALLY located in Greece (rather than paeonia where FYROM is primarily situated). The better question would be why are YOU harassing Macedonians? (aka Greeks)
GemistusPletho 9 months ago
@GemistusPletho How is this a harassment ?
And what does the physical location got to do with the issue - especially when you get to arbitrarily get to name what the location would be called ! This is amusing.
MrJekyllDrHyde1 9 months ago
@MrJekyllDrHyde1
You are harassing Macedonains by playing stupid and pretending you don't notice FYROM's attempts to usurp not only our territory but our very identity. To me people like you are equivalent to Nazis. Go fuck yourself Greek hater.
GemistusPletho 9 months ago
@GemistusPletho Nope, you are just being paranoid.
Macedonians have not indicated anything which would make 1 think they want to take Territory which currently belongs to Greece. As for the 'identity', well is it so hard for you to admit that Greeks & Macedonians SHARE that identity - it does not belong exclusively to 1 group.
I do not hate Greeks, I love them, but that does not stop me from calling their bullshit when they start talking bullshit.
MrJekyllDrHyde1 9 months ago
@MrJekyllDrHyde1
Your selective memory attests to your prejudices. What you call "Macedonians" today... used to freely self-identify as ethnic Bulgarians (and only a few years ago their own elected leaders used to claim not to be related to ancient Macedonians)
"We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... We are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" - Kiro Gligorov, FYROM's first President, February 26, 1992
watch?v=uA3kwC2YTq4
GemistusPletho 9 months ago
@GemistusPletho So what is your problem ? earlier they used to call themselves Bulgarians, now they want to call themselves Macedonians ? what is your problem ?
The current republic of Macedonia IS part of the geographical area knows as Macedonia. There is not reason why greeks get to decide what people call themselves.
There are over 20 places in USA which are named "Athens", but I don't see you complain ! Isn't this plain & simple racism on your part ?
MrJekyllDrHyde1 9 months ago
@MrJekyllDrHyde1
You are an idiot on multiple fronts. The ancient and modern regions are not the same .The region of FYROM is not "macedonia", Maceodnia is physically located in Greece. FYROM is primarily situated in a region called Paeonia in antiqutity. Furthermore one can change nationalitities not ethnic identities. Its like saying one day someone Japanese calling themselves ethnic Russian.
GemistusPletho 9 months ago
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@GemistusPletho Dude, Macedonia INCLUDES the greek part & the part in Rep. of Macedonia with a small part in Bulgaria.
Do you really think Russians would whine if others call themselves Russians, infact they would be proud. BTW, you avoided my question : There are over 20 places in USA which are named "Athens", but I don't see you complain ! Isn't this plain & simple racism on your part ?
MrJekyllDrHyde1 9 months ago
@MrJekyllDrHyde1
And Greece doesn't not objective to places in the US calling themselves by Greece names you fucking Greek-hating idiot. We object to FYROM because they threaten our country and attempt to usurp our identity. There are 2.5 million people in Greece who consider themselves Macedonians (plus the bulk of the Greek people that consider ancient Macedonia part of their cultural patrimony.
GemistusPletho 9 months ago
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You are the racist you cunt. You are racist against Macedonians in Greece. (who's very identity you generously give a way to the former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians of the former Yugoslavia) To me, people like you are racist genocidal assholes out to ethnically erase Greeks. Go fuck yourself Greek-hater.
GemistusPletho 9 months ago
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'We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian.' - FYROM´s Ambassador to Canada Gyordan Veselinov, Ottawa Citizen Newspaper, February 24 1999
GemistusPletho 9 months ago
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@MrJekyllDrHyde1
"The whole story about Ancient Macedonia sounds undoubtedly very nice. However, there is a great problem, a huge hole of about 2,000 years during which we have neither oral nor written tradition, nor a single scientific argument!” - former Prime Minister Ljubco Georgievski, FOCUS, 31 March 2008
GemistusPletho 9 months ago
@MrJekyllDrHyde1
"And whether Bulgarian consciousness exists in Macedonia, this is a historical legacy. We’re now writing our history. We can’t write that until 1940 we were Bulgarians and after 1940 Macedonians.” - Krste Crvenkovski (President of the Central Committee of the Union of Communists in the Socialist Republic of Macedonia) to Todor Zhivkov (First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Bulgaria) – May 19, 1967
tinyurl(dot)com/y2n846j
GemistusPletho 9 months ago
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'Why are we ashamed and flee from the truth that whole positive Macedonian revolutionary tradition comes exactly from exarchist part of Macedonian people? We shall not say a new truth if we mention the fact that everyone, Gotse Delchev, Dame Gruev, Gjorche Petrov, Pere Toshev - must I list and count all of them - were teachers of the Bulgarian Exarchate in Macedonia.' - former Prime Minister of FYROM, Ljubco Georgievski, 2007, in his book 'Facing the truth'
GemistusPletho 9 months ago
@MrJekyllDrHyde1
"The political and military leaders of the Slavs of Macedonia at the turn of the century seem not to have heard Misirkov's call for a separate Macedonian national identity; they continued to identify themselves in a national sense as Bulgarians rather than Macedonians. - long time FYROM supporter US anthropologist Loring Danforth, "The Macedonian Conflict: Ethnic Nationalism in a Transnational World", Princeton Univ Press, December 1995
GemistusPletho 9 months ago
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@MrJekyllDrHyde1
This (US) Government considers talk of Macedonian "nation", Macedonian "Fatherland", or Macedonia "national consciousness" to be unjustified demagoguery representing no ethnic nor political reality, and sees in its present revival a possible cloak for aggressive intentions against Greece." - US Secretary of State E.Stettenius 1944
tinyurl(dot)com/nel46d
GemistusPletho 9 months ago
@MrJekyllDrHyde1
In short, you do have prejudices against Greeks. Your selective memory (as well as all the other FYROM apologists) attests your prejudices.
GemistusPletho 9 months ago
@MrJekyllDrHyde1
You write: "Macedonians have not indicated anything which would make 1 think they want to take Territory'
You really have no clue what you are taking about. Visit practically any FYROM run website and they claim Maceodnia Greece is "occupied" and chants of "united Macedonia". There sitting PM was even photographing laying a wreath showing 1/3 of our country annexed to his.
sae(dot)gr/files/img/full/1228.jpg
In short, go fuck yourself Greek hater.
GemistusPletho 9 months ago
Αδελφέ, χρειάζονται οπωσδήποτε αγγλικοί υπότιτλοι! Εμείς οι Έλληνες αυτά τα ξέρουμε, πρέπει όμως, δυστυχώς, να υποστηρίζουμε συνέχεια τις θέσεις μας απέναντι στον υπόλοιπο κόσμο. Κάνε μια προσπάθεια για υποτιτλισμό. Το βίντεο είναι πάρα πολύ ωραίο. Μπράβο που το ανέβασες.
blestra 10 months ago
@loukrit ΔΑΝ απο δαναους?τι συλλογισμος ειναι αυτος?οπως τα θελουμε τα λεμε...και αν ελεγαν η φυλη των Αχ θα λεγαμε η φυλη των αχαιων?δεν πατε καλα μερικοι,αφηστε τον λιακοπουλο.
aperantos13 10 months ago
Οι Αμερικάνοι προσπαθούν να ξυπνήσουν τον Ομπάμα και οι δικοί μας κοιμούνται όρθιοι - οι πολιτικοί !!!!
maryoik 10 months ago
sta opla patriotes ...to pan sti gnosi sas. fenete apo ton dialogo pu kanis me tus sinomilites oti ise "i nea genia"
MrAlfeko 10 months ago
@loukrit efkaristo PER DIN...vres tin lexi afti sto leksiko tu Marko Bocari... ego den anigo puthena..ime kata ton kolofasiston i marksiston pu mas thelun ekthrus me tin agnosia tus.
MrAlfeko 10 months ago
@loukrit onira me orthanikta matia vlepun mia zoi mia meridha fasiston stin elada..den iparkun ekthri stis gnosis,ekthri iparkun sto skotos .opii ekun gnosis den fovute to skotos.me to na ekfrazi kapios mia apopsi den tha pi pos ine ekthros tis eladas kirie adhoni georgiadi
MrAlfeko 10 months ago
@loukrit logiki pederaston ekis file mu.me sena mono se kanena pornochat mpori kanis na senenoiti.jati ise kolofasistas pu ksemeronovradiazi to thes sto stoma kai sto kolo gia na sinelthis kai na sizitas san tus antropus..ara ti mbori na pi enas gamiolis pederastis pu ekei tis vrisies gia gnosi??
MrAlfeko 10 months ago
@loukrit HESYCHII ALEXANDRINOS LEXICON πραιναι-βη-πλαγαν-γουνασει-δερη-βραπτην-βρεμει-βραχειν-βειη-βραχε-γρουμος= prene-vi-plagan-gjunasi-dheri-vraptin-vremi-vrahin-vij-vrahe-grumos KAI ALA 2000 LEXIS PU INE KSENA GIA TIN ELLINIKI KAI I IDHIES ME TIN GLOSSA TON PELASGEON=TIN ALVANIKI .OK MISTER TAMTAKO???KAI TO IFOS SU KAI TO "MALAKA" VALTO STO KOLO SU MI SU GAMISO TIPOTA KIRIE KOLE
MrAlfeko 10 months ago
ΑΡΑ ΤΟ ΘΕΜΑ ΛΥΘΗΚΕ ΜΙΑ ΚΑΙ ΚΑΛΗ. ΤΕΛΕΙΩΣΕ ΤΟ ΠΑΡΑΜΥΘΙ. ΕΥΧΟΜΑΙ ΟΙ ΣΚΟΠΙΑΝΟΙ ΕΘΝΙΚΙΣΤΕΣ ΝΑ ΤΟ ΔΕΧΤΟΥΝ ΚΑΙ ΝΑ ΣΤΑΜΑΤΗΣΟΥΝ ΤΑ "ΠΑΝΥΓΗΡΙΑ", ΓΙΑΤΙ ΟΙ ΑΜΕΡΙΚΑΝΟΙ ΕΠΙΣΤΗΜΟΝΕΣ ΔΕΝ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΟΠΩΣ ΟΙ "ΕΠΙΣΤΗΜΟΝΕΣ" ΤΗΣ ΕΛΛΑΔΑΣ. ΕΙΝΑΙ ΟΠΩΣ ΟΛΟΙ ΓΝΩΡΙΖΟΥΜΕ ΑΠΟ ΤΟΥΣ ΚΑΛΥΤΕΡΟΥΣ ΚΑΙ ΠΙΟ ΑΝΤΙΚΕΙΜΕΝΙΚΟΥΣ. ΤΟ ΘΕΜΑ ΛΥΘΗΚΕ. ΘΑ ΠΑΡΑΚΑΛΕΣΩ, ΕΠΕΙΔΗ ΤΑ ΑΓΓΛΙΚΑ ΜΟΥ ΔΕΝ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΤΑ ΚΑΛΥΤΕΡΑ, ΝΑ ΒΡΕΘΕΙ ΚΑΠΟΙΟΣ ΝΑ ΜΕΤΑΦΡΑΣΕΙ ΣΤΑ ΑΓΓΛΙΚΑ ΑΥΤΟ ΤΟ ΒΙΝΤΕΟ. ΕΙΝΑΙ ΠΟΛΥ ΣΗΜΑΝΤΙΚΟ. ΕΥΧΑΡΙΣΤΩ ΠΟΥ ΤΟ ΑΝΕΒΑΣΑΤΕ!
MysticTV777 10 months ago
@MysticTV777 OI SKOPIANI AFTO THELUN..NA TO SIZITISUME ,OMOS TE THEMA EXEI KLISEI PROTU ANIKSI GIATI I SLLAVI IRTHAN 1000 XRONIA META TON ALEXANDRO....AIDIA NA TO SIZITAME.
MrAlfeko 10 months ago
@MrAlfeko
ΚΑΛΑ ΕΚΑΝΑΝ ΚΑΙ ΤΟ ΕΚΑΝΑΝ ΘΕΜΑ - ΣΥΜΦΕΡΕΙ ΤΗΝ ΕΠΙΣΤΗΜΗ. ΟΝΤΩΣ ΚΑΤΑΝΤΗΣΕ ΑΗΔΙΑ. ΑΦΟΥ ΙΣΤΟΡΙΚΑ ΔΕΝ ΣΤΕΚΕΤΑΙ Η ΘΕΩΡΙΑ ΤΟΥΣ... ΝΑ ΟΜΩΣ ΠΟΥ ΝΟΜΙΖΩ ΟΤΙ Ο ΜΥΘΟΣ ΠΟΥ ΕΦΤΙΑΞΑΝ ΘΑ ΜΕΙΝΕΙ. ΓΙ' ΑΥΤΟ ΠΡΕΠΕΙ ΝΑ ΣΥΖΗΤΗΘΕΙ ΤΟ ΘΕΜΑ ΚΑΙ ΝΑ ΑΚΟΥΣΤΟΥΝ ΟΙ ΕΠΙΣΤΗΜΟΝΕΣ, ΓΙΑ ΝΑ ΕΧΕΙ ΕΝΑ ΤΕΛΟΣ.
MysticTV777 10 months ago
@loukritPALIO ADHERFARA ELA NA MU PARIS MIA PIPA GIA NA SU PERASI
MrAlfeko 10 months ago
@loukrit Συγχωρεμένος Loukrit :-)
jimp 10 months ago
@loukrit Εσύ είσαι γυφταλβανός και πακιστανότουρκος... και χαλβάς επίσης, αντε να βάλεις με το καλό να με βρίζεις και στα ελληνικά!
jimp 10 months ago
@loukrit Να βάλεις ρε μαλάκα!!
jimp 10 months ago
Να λάμψει η αλήθεια!
ILLUVATAR85 10 months ago
Τι κατάντια θεέ μου, τι πολιτιστικός όλεθρος, τόσα σχόλια ΟΛΑ ΣΤΑ GREEKLISH, όχι την μακεδονία, όλη την Ελλάδα θα μας πάρουν με τόσους σάπιους νεοέλληνες... κρίμα για την κατάντια μας...
jimp 10 months ago
@jimp Θάνατος της γλώσσας μας....αργος θάνατος για το έθνος μας... μιλάτε Ελληνικά ή σκάστε....
kynegeirosA 10 months ago
Γιατι μου φαινεται οτι ο καθηγητης μιλαει Ελληνικα και παρ'ολα αυτα κανουν μεταφραση απο το alter;
PANIONIOSG3 10 months ago
to perdema sas me tus sllavus ine to eksis: oi logotekniki glosa=arxea elliniki itan mia glosa pu ftiaktike gia logoteknikus logus kai me to parodo tu krono egine glossa tis morfosis.tuti tin glossa edidaske o Aristotelis ston Alexandro.Tora sllavi pistevune oti tu didaske mia kseni glosa=tin elliniki.Ala afti i glosa den itane kseni gia ton alexandro kai ute mitriki,itan mia glosa pu pigazi apo tin koini glosa ton pellazgeon omos me logotekniki morfi. pio ellinika den mporo na to po
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
ekoume koini riza,tin pelazgiki.imaste aderfiki laei ellines kai alvani.afto apodikni i glosa mas.to provlima sas me tus sllavus ine oti pigate na kanete aderfia me tis izrailines thriskies kai oki me to patriko ema kai tin mitriki glosa.i mitera ton gloson ine mia mix metaksi alvanikis kai elliniks...afti ine i pellazgiki.pu ine to perdema sas me tus sllavus?thelete na po ti tapini mu gnomi???
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
Peonia before it was at illirian terrytory.After go to macedonas.this earth "belong" to the fathers of greeks and albanians=pelazgian one.this is the true .is crazy think to se the alexander flag to the sllavs..but for the albanian who live there is samthing simbolik,but not inaf atoll, becous this flag bilonge to the mix betwen greks and albanian.this is the true,but same of us are afrid to se the true.
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
afti i sizitisi metaksi sllavon kai ellinon fenete na einai stimeni metaksi ton dyo horon giati ine gnosti oti i sllavi den ipirxan epi tou alexandru.tin peonia kapote tin ikane oi illiri kai meta oi makedones.an einai na iparxi thema afto tha ine metaksi elladas kai alvanias kai oxi metaksi elladas kai tis sllavikes ordhes pu katevikane 1 000 xronia meta ton alexandro.kati pustofasistakia ellines kai alvani prospathun na mas kanun ekthrus me to zoi,eimaste omos oi pellazgji kai i dyo xores
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
@MrAlfeko
Επειδή λες ότι οι αρχαίοι Μακεδόνες δεν ήταν Έλληνες και επειδή συνεχώς αναφέρεσαι στον Θωμόπουλο, ας δούμε τι γράφει για τους αρχαίους Μακεδόνες: ''Οι Μακεδόνες ήσαν αναμφισβητήτως Έλληνες, γλώσσα δε αυτών η Ελληνική''. Βλέπεις λοιπόν ότι και ο Θωμόπουλος θεωρούσε τους Μακεδόνες Έλληνες. Ό, τι σε συμφέρει παρουσιάζεις από τον Θωμόπουλο.
GREECEANDMACEDONIA 11 months ago 6
@GREECEANDMACEDONIA ..aderfe..jati pianese apo leksis?to ergo tu thomopulo apodhikni tin alvaniki san panarxea glosa ton pelazgeon.Tora otan apodhikni tin alvaniki pellazgiki glosa kai anaferi ton Tukididi IX 109 gia tus pelazgus pu zusane stin macedonia.To oro "ellines" den exei enia etnous aderfe,pote den eike afti tin enia.Afto to oros geniete me tin koini glosa tis morfosis =arxea elliniki ,pu ine i sinekia tis pellazgikis OMOS LOGOTEKNIKI
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
@GREECEANDMACEDONIA
den parusiazo oti me simferi kai den iparxi logos na xanis tin psikremia su.prospathise na to katanoisis oti i elliniki glosa einai mia glosa ftiagmeni logotekniki me patera ton Goria apo tus Leondinus kata tu 427 bc.afti i glosa den itan i idia me ti glosa tu lau tis athinas kai oxi pia tis barbarikis macedonias.afto den tha pi oti tis leksis tis ellinikis tis parasxevaze o Gorjas..kapu akumbise.edo erkomaste stin vasi.
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
an me rotas pia ine i vasi? tha su po oti i vasi ine i pellazgiki .an me rotas an i elliniki ine i sinekia tis pellazgikis..tha su apandiso TO ERGO TU THOMOPULO pu den to ekis katalavi kala.Ne ine i sinekia tis pelazgigis i elliniki glosa giti iparkun ateliotes leksis pu ekun zoi apo tin pellazgiki stin elliniki.Pies leksis?Ksanadiavaze to Thomopulo.kai se parakalo papse na vlepis skies me anthellines pu dhen sas thelune otan milas mazi mu tuelaiston.
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
@MrAlfeko apo pote oi ilirioi itan alvanoi??
Oblivion1821 10 months ago
@Oblivion1821 pos su irthe afto?qe ti kseris esi gia tus iliridhes.to onoma tus kai mono su dhikni tin glosa pu milusane.
MrAlfeko 10 months ago
@MrAlfeko ti les re albani...taxeis paixei??eseis oi albanides eirthate mesa apo tn asia apo ton potamo Albano koda stin georgia...pou kolane oi ilirioi me tous albanides...kane mas ti xari
Oblivion1821 10 months ago
@Oblivion1821 lulu mila omorafa an ekis epikirimata kai mi riknis tin sizitisi sto pederazizmo.kat arkas Alba legete i arxea poli tis Romis prin tus romeus.Alba ine kai potamos sti Ravena-Alba iparki stin arkea Keria-Albion sti Skotia kai ala pola..Albania lei o Straboni mia fili sto kafkaso.kai giati kriazete ne dhenume ta ala onomata me tus alvanus??.....i eci se endiaferi esena??
MrAlfeko 10 months ago
@MrAlfeko florako esu na milas kalutera kai min postaris vromies apo to vothro sou otan les malakies kai asinartisies esu prokaleis prwtos oxi egw topiases albani??afta pou les alba kai alrloubes astes giatin propaganda pou sas kanoun sto sxoleio gia tin diastimiki megali albania...kai kala siga min eisai kai pelasgos esu...i oi albanides omoethnisou den ftaiw egw ama den sou mathane oti sas pirane oi tourkoi gia misthoforous kai egatastathikate sto meros pou zite twra
Oblivion1821 10 months ago
@Oblivion1821 katarkas kofto to albanidhes giati ine prosvoli an eqis ta logika su...kai to ironiko su albani kofto giate emena den mu aresi na se prosvalo kai na se ironevome.lipon ego den ime hazoviolis kai kolofasistas na eko megaloides kai tin fasi pu mu pasarane oti ithelane to eko perasi apo to 1990 otan idha to ekso kosmo..omos lipame gia afta pu sas mathenun akoma sta skolia sas giati ine lipira kai kseperazmena paramithia romantizmu
MrAlfeko 10 months ago
@MrAlfeko akou albani..einai polu asteio na mou milaei enas alvanos gia fasismo tin wra pou to idio tou to ethnos itan simaxos me tous nazi ,fasistes....1 to kratoumeno 2 simfwno apolita oti sta sxolia mas den mathenoume tipota kai theloun na mas exoun amathis kanei kali douleia i nea pagosmia taxi..paei kala to sxedio kissinger gia na mathei kapios pragmatiki elliniki istoria prepei na psaxei allou kai oxi sto sxoleo...aptin alli pleura sta dikas sas sxoleia gunete to ela na deis apo
Oblivion1821 10 months ago
@Oblivion1821 milate esis gia to fasismo??diavaze to Th Papamanoli "Katakavmenos Epiros "1945 gia na dis pola engrafa metaksi ellinikis dikisis kai ton germanon.to kolofasizmo mas e fere se mira na kanume aderfia tus ekthrus mpolsevikus.oso gia ta skolia mas kai to epipedo morfosis ekis dikeo giati pragmatika imaste piso ,omos aplothikame pandu sto kosmo kai fernume gnosis stin hora pu dhen mas epitrepan na milame tin glosa mas kati kali gitones
MrAlfeko 10 months ago
@MrAlfeko den paizei dineis resital apopse...e re gledia
Oblivion1821 10 months ago
@Oblivion1821 ti na kanume file.etsi ine i alitia tis koinis katagogis ton ellinon kai ton alvanon apo tus pellazgeus...na milame gia glendia otan kserume oti to 1821 sti suli polemusane i vllamidhes besa bese -ellines kai alvani se mikto strato..oi tsamides ortodoksi diglosi kai oi alvani tu ali pasa,,,,,,kai simera milame kutoperifronika gia glendia kseknondas tin koini poria
MrAlfeko 10 months ago
@MrAlfeko gia ti pragma milas edw...gia tous arvanites xa am de....lathos katalaves oti einai alvanoi
Oblivion1821 10 months ago
@Oblivion1821 bah idea su..den ipa afto pistepseme ..afti ine gegenis sta patria tus edafi...fantazome pos den se pirazi pu milun tin albaniki san mitriki???
MrAlfeko 10 months ago
@MrAlfeko
MrAlfeko 10 months ago
kata to 15 M.X kai bale aiwna...to oti epidi zite ekei pleon den sas kanei oute pelasgous oute illirious xonepste to...kai oute o kastriotis itan albani gia na min xexniomaste....
Oblivion1821 10 months ago
@Oblivion1821 ise gia klamata file.me tus pellazgus dhen tus dheno ego tus alvanus ala tus dheni i glosa tus pu ine grameni se xiliades epigrafes pu ekun erminefti kai ekdhothi se vivlia.Honepseto kai esi oti ta limata tis proellinikis glosas dhiknin tin alvaniki san glosa ton pellazgeon.i proti leksi tis iliadas ine MININ kai ine akoma to idhio me tin alvaniki "orgji" .kai ales 2000 lexis PRENE-KRUNE-VENE-VI-DALON-DELON-VRAHEN-VRAPTIN-ZEI-ZOTEATAS-IKI-kai ala pola....
MrAlfeko 10 months ago
@MrAlfeko filarako alvane taxeis paixei teleios...se ligo tha mas peis kai oti oi arxaioi ellhnes pirane apo tous...aniparktous tote alvanous tin glwssa kai to alfavito e re gledia...kai ti vivlia einai auta parakalo na gelasw??
Oblivion1821 10 months ago
@Oblivion1821 o oros albania den ipirxe sta arxea ma kai ute o oros ellines apodhikni pote kamia hora pera apo tin tekniti glosa tis morfosis.ego diavazo pola kai diafora apo malakes eos epistimones kai stin elliniki glosa .tin gnomi tu Thukididi stin isodho tis istorias ton peleponesiakon polemon apodhikni simera i epistimi
MrAlfeko 10 months ago
@MrAlfeko oso gia ton oro ellinas ama den upirxe stin arxaiotita mou dixneis poso anideos asxetos eisai...kai amatheis...afieromeno loipon albane...Εστίν με ουν Ελλάς και η Μακεδονία, νυνί μέντοι τη φύσει των τόπων ακολουθούντες και τω σχήματι χωρίς έγνωμεν από της άλλης Ελλάδος τάξαι και συνάψαι προς όμορον αυτής Θράκης.Στράβων Γεωγραφικά, 7 perastika sou
Oblivion1821 10 months ago
@Oblivion1821 "i makedonia stin arki legotane emathia,iparxei kai poli me to idio onoma tin opia ti katikun iliri kai epiriotes" Tit Livi. "sto kersoniso tu Atho kai simera zune oi pelazgi" Thukididi IX 109.o oros ellinas dhinete stus morfomenus.."OI ELLINES INE I METEKONDES TIS ELLINIKIS PEDIAS" ISOKRATI..."I PROSARMOGI SITIN ELLINIKI GLOSA THA E PERNE POLI KAIRO GIATI DEN ITAN GLOSA PU ANTHIZE STA KOILI TON ANTROPON ALA MATHENOTAN STA GRAMATA."ISTOR.ELLIN.GLOSS.ARXIO.LOGO. HIS.1999 ATHIN
MrAlfeko 10 months ago
@MrAlfeko KANEIS LATHOS EIPARXEI NOMOS MAI TO ONOMA HMATEIA ME PROTEVOUSA TIN BEREIA KAI OI AGAIA EINAI EKEI KONDA STIN PERIOXEI
DALAMYIAN 10 months ago
@Oblivion1821 PERASTIKA ESENA
MrAlfeko 10 months ago
@MrAlfeko giati esu ti mou eipes...???egw stin eipa kai moko twra...ade perastika sou
Oblivion1821 10 months ago
@Oblivion1821 HASAME TA LOGIKA MAS?? FONAKSE KAI TIN ASFALIA GIA NA LISUME TA ISTORIKA MAS THEMATA LOL
MrAlfeko 10 months ago
@Oblivion1821 "OI ELLINIKI GLOSA VGIKE EKSO APO TA TOIXEI TIS ATHINAS META APO DYO ITES TON ATHINEON APO TIN SPARTI KAI MAKEDONIA 328 B C" ISTORIA TIS ELLINIKIS GLOSAS-ARXIO LOGOTEKNIKO KAI HISTORIKO-ATHINA 1999 BEST SELLER....me to na arrnithite tis agnostes proellinikes lexis pu paramenun san limata tis proellinikis epidhioknete to meridhio tu leondas ..kai ftasate na hasete tin taftotita sas qe na lete aderfia tus sllavus ..pu san kala aderfia sas andamivun tora
MrAlfeko 10 months ago
@MrAlfeko eisai gia gelia pragmatika...den axizei na asxolithw allo mazi sou apla eisai gia gelia...squiperaki den toxeis to thema eisai se vathmo malakinsis asxetos kai anistoritos...geia xara
Oblivion1821 10 months ago
@Oblivion1821 GIATI TO RIKNIS STO PROSOPIKO TORA??AN DEN EKIES EPIKIRIMATA GIATI BENIS KAI ANAKATEEVIS TA MPUTIA SU SE THEMATA PU EKIS AGNOSIA??
MrAlfeko 10 months ago
paramithia...pio allithini istoria fadazoun ta 3 gourounakia kai i kokkinoskoufitsa para i paragka i dikia sas....
Oblivion1821 10 months ago
se afta ta korafia zusane oi pellazgi prota...meta ipirxe i sinexia illiriki kai i peonia stus ilires..argotera stus maqedones.apo to mega aleksandro kai pros ta do o laos aftos itan diglosos me glosa tu kratus tin elliniki.aleksandros e mathe tin elliniki sto skolio=ellinas tu isokrati.oi glosa tu lau dhen e zvise ala prokorise paralila me tin glosa tu kratus..afto den thelun na dhektune i ellines..eno i sllavi pezune oti epekse o paparigopulos me ton falmerayer gia tin elada kapote
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
GREECE = MACEDONIA
SPARTANsenator1 11 months ago
Fuck Fyrom
athanatiEllada 11 months ago
oso gia to horo ton sllavon..ine geliotites na milisoume gia arxeous sllavus giati ine gnosti i isvoli tus 1 000 meta ton mega aleksandro
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
an o pateras tu mega alexandru legotan varvaros kai epidhikni na apodhiksi oti ine apo tin idhia fara me aftus pu legute ellines,tote vres to Isokrati gia na su milisi gia tin aplosi tis ellinikis glosas gia na ginun ellines kai i ipolipi.
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
kai telefteo.stin arkea elliniki glosa iparkun kapies ksenes mi ellinikes leksis san "ais-afar-atar-gunon-eiki-vrahe-vemi......peripu 2000 teties leksis pu mono metafrazute sta elenika san ksenes..an su perase pote sto mialo i diaspasi tis proellinikis stin elliniki kai tin iliriki isos na vris tin alithia gia ton aderfiko lao tis elladas..eos tote sinexizete na pistevete oti ta aderfia sas ta ferni i ortodoksia kai oki to patriko ema kai i mitriki glosa
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
@MrAlfeko
Τα αδέρφια μας δεν τα φέρνει η ορθοδοξία. Δεν είναι αδέρφια μας οι Σέρβοι, αλλά οι Αλβανοί, διότι οι Έλληνες και οι Αλβανοί έχουν κοινή καταγωγή. Όσον αφορά στους αρχαίους Ηπειρώτες και Μακεδόνες έχεις λάθος, δίοτι είναι αποδεδειγμένο ότι ήταν Έλληνες Δωριείς.
GREECEANDMACEDONIA 11 months ago
@GREECEANDMACEDONIA
ok file mu,eci ine.Oso gia tus Doris gnorizume oti milousane ena dialekto tis pelazgikis eolikis glosas.apo to miks tis jonoatikis me tin eolodorikou proerxete oi koini elliniki...se afti tin glossa ekpedeftike o aleksandros kai tin metadose pantou.oi tasi na legoute ellines oi doris exei vasi,omos meta to 4-3 eona pro kristou,oki pio prim.
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
@MrAlfeko den yparxoun stoixeia gia enan isxyrismo pws h arxaia makedonikh dialectos htan pelasgikh. o mesos ellinas akomh kai shmera katanoei oles tis makedonikes epigrafes, apo to arxaio skoutari (skodra) ews to afganistan. to idio isxyei k anaforika stis alles dorikes dialectous pou milagan sth Sparth k sth Magnesia. ektos k an isxyrizesai emmesos plin safos oti h pelasgikh einai katanohth akomh apo olous toys ellinofonous plithismous tis valkanikhs apo tin arxaiotita mexri stis meres mas.
Arvanitarius 11 months ago
@Arvanitarius
arvanitarius...omilis tis dyo glosses kai kseris poli kala na diekrinis pji lexis prokorun stin elliniki kai pji oxi.i arxes ellinike epigrafes...profanos enois mete ton 4-3 pro kristu...kai den eko kamia amfivolia gia afto,etsi ine.o megas alaksandros e mathe tin elliniki kai tin diadose pandu..kai meta oi romeoi kai i vizantini.Thukididi IX 109 su mlaei gia tus pelasgus tis makedonia..eno apenandi stin limno i parki epigrfi stin mitriki su arvanitiki glosa
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
o triumfos tis ellinikis glossas mekri na gjini glossa olon ton ellinon egjine meta apo 2 ites tis athinas apo tin Sparta kai Makedonia ..322 p x.edho kolane i sllavi pu ftasan edo 1000 xronia meta to thanato tu aleksandro...afti ine logiki trelas me dhidhaktra apo to elliniki pedhia ine mia apandisi stin idia logjiki ton ellinon me tin Dodona pu ta pio arxea evrimata me to zori ftanun 200 xronia meta ton omiro...to idhio kanun tora i sllavi kai den sas aresi
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
@MrAlfeko
Από ό, τι κατάλαβα εσύ είσαι Αλβανός. Οι αρχαίοι Ηπειρώτες ήταν Έλληνες Δωριείς και κατοικούσαν στην Ήπειρο πολύ πριν την εποχή του Ομήρου, από το 1200 π.Χ. Αυτά έχουν αποδείξει διαπρεπείς ιστορικοί, όπως ο Hammond και ο Borza. Οι Ηπειρώτες ήταν Έλληνες, για αυτό και συμμετείχαν στους Ολυμπιακούς αγώνες, στους οποίους μόνο Έλληνες επιτρέπονταν να συμμετέχουν. Μόνο εσείς οι Αλβανοί υποστηρίζετε ότι οι αρχαίοι Ηπειρώτες δεν ήταν Έλληνες, γιατί διεκδικείτε την Ήπειρο.
GREECEANDMACEDONIA 11 months ago
@GREECEANDMACEDONIA
kai poli kala katalavate.An itan i arxeoi epiriotes ellines den thelo na to sizitisume giati den iparxoun ikni tous pera apo tis apikies ..kai apikies ipirkane kai stin ispania-galia-afganistan.oi arxei den vriskun ellines ute stin ipiro kai ute stin makedonia,antithetos vriskun tus babarus...ksenikos laos=mi ellines.o Isokratis mas leei oti oi ellines ine i metekontes tis ellinikis pedhias=opios matheni ellinika
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
ωραιο το βιντεο φιλε ,αλλα θα επρεπε να βαλεις ελληνικο τιτλο αφου το βιντεο ειναι στα ελληνικα
DIONYSUSheIIas 11 months ago
@cobone1
Οι Σκοπιανοί δεν είναι Βούλγαροι. Μη χαρίζεις 2 εκατομμύρια ανθρώπους στους Βούλγαρους. Οι Σκοπιανοί είναι Έλληνες-γενίτσαροι που έχουν λησμονήσει την καταγωγή τους και νομίζουν ότι είναι εθνικά Μακεδόνες.
GREECEANDMACEDONIA 11 months ago
@GREECEANDMACEDONIA
emis i alvani den diekdikume kanena ipiro giati san laos kai san epistimi kimomaste orthii.esis i ellines den kserete ti diekdikite.lete ellines tus arvanites-tus tsamides orthodoksus-tus sllavus kai tus vlahikus otan gia mitriki glosa ekune mia glosa mi elliniki..gia afto mi pulas se mas ta katarthomata sas.den ipa oti o laos tis makedonias kai tis ipiru itan albanikos laos ala ipa pos den itan elinikos pera apo tis apikies..mathete na to honepsete
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
@MrAlfeko efoson eisai Alvanos kalo einai na thymasai oti o Claudius Ptolemeus (2nd century AD) grafei thn prwth istorikh anafora gia Alvanous pou zoyn sti Valkanikh k toys sygkatalegei stous laous tis Makedonias, k oxi stous Illyrious. Opoiadhpote anafora se arxaious Alvanous apo tin Alvanopolis pou dithen itan Illyrioi einai aythaireth k stereitai istorikhs phghs k pragmatikhs vashs. Ekeinoi oi Alvanoi apo tin Alvanopolis htan Epirotomakedones. Oi Romaioi tote onomazan tin perioxh Nea Hpeiros.
Arvanitarius 11 months ago
@Arvanitarius
simfono,omos stin arxea apollonia uparxi epigrafi stin illiriki glossa me elliniko apofonima xaire...FIMIA YJNERON XAIRE..apo ton 3 eona prokristu....afto tha pi oti i illiriki ine i idhia i alvaniki.Hesychi Alexandrinos lexicon mas leei oti " vra" etsi lene oi iliri ton adelfo ..kai lipa..aragje peftun aftes i teories.oso gia tin arvanitiki kai to pellazgiko tis proerkomo dhes ta ksena limata tis arxeas ellinikis-vemi-vi-van-iki-ikin-gjunon....i desto thomopulo kai kupitori
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
@MrAlfeko
Χαίρε Ευφημία Ουγί Νερόν Χαίρε!
Σάματις, βλέπεις τίποτε δήθεν Ιλλυρικά που δεν είναι Ελληνικά; Το ευφημία ή το νερό; Ή μήπως το ''ουγί'' που ξέρεις καλά τι σημαίνει. Αυτό που δεν ξέρεις είναι σε ποια γλώσσα σημαίνει αυτό που καταλαβαίνεις εσύ σήμερα. Να σου θυμήσω μήπως το Αιγαίο που σημαίνει ακριβώς το ίδιο με αυτό που καταλαβαίνεις σήμερα και εσύ;
Arvanitarius 11 months ago
Μήπως να αναφέρω ακόμη το Άιγιο και την Αίγινα, τον αιγιαλό, το περιγιάλι και άλλες αρχαιοελληνικές λέξεις που γνωρίζει και χρησιμοποιεί σήμερα ακόμη ο μέσος Έλληνας; Σε παρακαλώ, βλάμη, μη μου δείχνεις τις αρχαιοελληνικές λέξεις ή ρίζες που σώζονται σήμερα στη Σκυπεταρική γλώσσα για δήθεν Ιλλυρικές ή ξένες ως προς την Ελληνική πρωτογλώσσα των παππούδων μας.
Arvanitarius 11 months ago
@Arvanitarius
iparxoun kai oi epigrafes pelazgikes vlami..oi eteokritikes-limnou-likogreke k lp..kai aftes oi epigrafes pou protoevgale sto fos o thomopulos 1912-Pellazgika-omilun tin idia glosa me ti dikasu mitriki kai ti dikamou..den pao sta tifla..gnorizo to zitima
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
@MrAlfeko
Μπορεί να ξέρεις το βιβλίο του Θωμόπουλου, αλλά παρουσιάζεις ό, τι σε συμφέρει από αυτόν και αγνοείς την Ελληνική ιστορία. Οι Αιολείς, οι Ίωνες και οι Δωριείς ήταν από τα κύρια Ελληνικά φύλα, ενώ εσύ λες ότι δεν ήταν Ελληνικά. Ο Θωμόπουλος απέδειξε ότι η Αλβανική είναι γλώσσα Ελληνική και ότι οι Αλβανοί είναι Έλληνες. Στην αρχή του βιβλίου του γράφει: ''Οι Αλβανοί εισίν έθνος Ελληνοπελασγικόν''. Σε άλλη σελίδα του βιβλίο του γράφει: ''Η Αλβανική είναι Ελληνική διάλεκτος''.
GREECEANDMACEDONIA 11 months ago
@GREECEANDMACEDONIA
ondos...omos me tin enia oti oi alvaniki ine oi pellazgjiki kai apo eki proerxete kai oi elliniki glosa....dhen to leo ego afto me tus eoles kai tus jones..to leei o Irodotos kai to apodhikni oi simerini epistimi.Eksartate pos to krisimiopis esi ton oro "ellina"...an enoois "ellados pedhefsis"..tote alazun pola..ala ellina sta tifla koris apodhiksis einai apla ena mithos.Ta limata tis proellinikis ine alvanikes leksis..oi arvanitikes ,pare tis opos thes.
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
@MrAlfeko
Εγώ που δεν γνωρίζω Αλβανικά, καταλαβαίνω τα Αιολικά, τα Ιωνικά και τα Δωρικά. Το αν η Αλβανική είναι Πελασγική δεν είναι αποδεδειγμένο είναι απλώς η θεωρία του Θωμόπουλου. Άλλοι, όπως ο Αρβανίτης Λουκάς Μπέλλος στο βιβλίο του ''Αλβανικά ή αι τρεις ζώσαι διάλεκτοι της Ελληνικής γλώσσης'' θεωρεί ότι πρώτη είναι η Ελληνική γλώσσα και από αυτήν προέρχεται η Αλβανική. Το αντίθετο δηλαδή από αυτό που υποστηρίζει ο Θωμόπουλος.
GREECEANDMACEDONIA 11 months ago
@GREECEANDMACEDONIA
omos ego gnorizo ellinika kai eko mitriki tin alvaniki glosa kai etsi mu ine efkolo na diakrino pji leksis iparkun ine ksenes pros tin ellinik kai i idies stin alvaniki.teories iparkun poles..i epigrafes apodhikniun tin pellazgjiki os alvaniki glosa-Limno-Eteokrites- kai ego mporo na katalavo giati ksero tis dyo gloses..oki mono afto ala iparxi ena mori lekseon pu parameni to idio stis dyo gloses...vemi-ven-veno-ane+veno klp
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
@MrAlfeko
Γνωρίζεις Ελληνικά, αλλά δεν νομίζω ότι έχεις τόση βαθειά γνώση της Ελληνικής, ώστε να γνωρίζεις αρχαία Ελληνικά. Αν γνώριζες αρχαία Ελληνικά θα καταλάβαινες ότι τα Ιωνικά είναι Ελληνικά. Η σύγχρονη επιστήμη έχει αποδείξει ότι οι μυκηναϊκές πινακίδες του 1500 π.Χ. ήταν γραμμένες σε γλώσσα Ελληνική και όχι Πελασγική, όπως λες, και ότι συνεπώς οι Αχαιοί ήταν Έλληνες. Όσον αφορά στα Αλβανικά και εγώ ξέρω λίγα Αλβανικά, une nuk jam Shqiptar.
GREECEANDMACEDONIA 11 months ago
@GREECEANDMACEDONIA
perimene aderfe....ti lete esis jonika???ta xeirografa???ma afta ine poli nea gia na diekdhikun tin glosa ton jonon tis atikis kai mikras asias..kai ton apikion tus...etsi?oso afora tin gramiki B pistevo pos afto den pezi pja os elliniki.dhes "Istoria tis ellinikis glossas" apo ton"istituto tis laografikis kai tu istoriku arkio"Athina 1999...dhes "Histotoria dela lingua Grecia" F R Adrados Madrid 2002?..elliniki metafrasi..
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
@MrAlfeko
Εγώ έχω μελετήσει τις πινακίδες της Γραμμικής Β και καταλαβαίνω ότι είναι Ελληνικά, όπως εσύ καταλαβαίνεις ότι είναι στα Αλβανικά οι πινακίδες που ερμηνεύει ο Θωμόπουλος. Αν η Γραμμική Β δεν είναι Ελληνική, τότε κατά τη γνώμη σου σε τι γλώσσα είναι;
GREECEANDMACEDONIA 11 months ago
@GREECEANDMACEDONIA
kai ego ta eko meletisi...J T Hooker Linear b at Introduction..kai opos kseris den denute dhyo lexis mazi gia na pis oti ine elliniki afti i glosa..DHEN TO DHEKUTE I SIMERINI EPISTIMONES TIN IPARKSI ELLINIKI TIS GRAMIKIS B
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
@MrAlfeko
Τι λες τώρα; Και εγώ έχω μελετήσει το βιβλίο του Hooker όπως και το βιβλίο του Chadwick και λένε ότι η Γραμμική Β είναι Ελληνική. Όσον αφορά στις Πελασγικές επιγραφές του Θωμόπουλου κανένας επιστήμονας δεν συμφωνεί με τις αποκρυπτογραφήσεις του.
GREECEANDMACEDONIA 11 months ago
@GREECEANDMACEDONIA
den simfonun giati oi koloturkia mas afise agramatus..tus arvanites pu i kserane gramata tus e pnikse i mania tu filelenizmu tis Bavarias..o Chadwick den apodikni tipota pera apo onomata kai toponimies i opies einai gnostes os proellinikes.otan ksipnisi oi albanologia tha ine alios..kai ine adhinaton koris tin voidhia tis ellinologia na pame ena vima parapera..mono oi diglosis tho voithisune na vgume apo tin krisi
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
@MrAlfeko
aderfe..edo benume se kati korafia pu kriazonte na anevume apo ta limata tis proellinikis stin glosa ton pellazgjeon.Kata tin gnomi mu ine mia glosa kathari pellazgjiki ..as ksekatharisume pos ine i proelliniki kai meta milame...pistevo pos ine mia mitriki tis ellinikis kai tis illirikis..koris burdhes me idoevropianizmus..oi glosa ton ntopion.kata emena pu ksero tis dyo gloses i elliniki me tin alvaniki ekune polla koina proellinika=pellazgjika kai oi dyo...
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
@MrAlfeko
Δεν αποδέχεσαι την ινδοευρωπαϊκή θεωρία;
GREECEANDMACEDONIA 11 months ago
@GREECEANDMACEDONIA
san idea ne..san praksi poteeeeeeeeeee.san idea :1- mia perioxi stin opia miliotan mia glosa apo tin opia diaspastikane i evropaikes gloses kai ena dialekto tis indias......afto to dhekome.Ala i parxi i perioqi kai afti ine i pellazgjiki pu ine mitriki glosa.iparxi istoriki vasi stis istories ton galazoemon tis evropis pu oli lene pos proerkonde apo tu makondes stin tria.iparki sinexia arkeologiki apo ton 8000 mekri simera.
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
@MrAlfeko
Ούτε εγώ αποδέχομαι την ινδοευρωπαϊκή θεωρία. Για σένα ποια περιοχή ηταν η κοιτίδα των ινδοευρωπαϊκών γλωσσών;
GREECEANDMACEDONIA 11 months ago
@GREECEANDMACEDONIA
i perioxi itan i hora ton pellazgeon...istorika gnorizume oti aftolegute gigjenis kai pji palii apo to fegari "Hesiodi-mark west klp
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
@MrAlfeko min mperdeveis ta Hindi pou milane stin India simera me ta Sanskritika pou isos itan dialectos tis Ellinikis. Allo Dravides, allo Indides. Kai fysika, allo oi simerinoi Indoi pou milane Hindi k xilies dyo alles glosses.
Arvanitarius 11 months ago
@Arvanitarius,,, Pos pane ta pramata sto Kareata re Arvaniti?
topallia 11 months ago
@topallia olos o ellinikos laos einai enomenos kai paramenei mazi mas sti maxi me ta MAT stin Keratea. arage na symbainei to idio k sti Xeimara? Akoma fylakismenos einai o Arvanitis Dimarxos Bolanos? Ti egine pali ekei? Evale mipos kamia tampela sto dromo sti glossa mas?
Arvanitarius 11 months ago
@Arvanitarius,,,Afto ine apo ena arvanitis!
"Ga tri mouaje nani arvanitete luftonjene shtetin helene". Arbërorët Kjeratesë kërkuan ga Pangaloua të iknë horofilakët ga katundi ture çë përpara 3 muaj deklaruar i lefterosur ga shteti. Pagalloua u tha çë prota të shkojnë Keratiotëtë ga vedi ture de pastaj MAT. Shikoni si u gjegjnë Keratiotët:
topallia 11 months ago
@topallia mari grapse ρωμαίικα 'i aglisthe gia na se katalavoun oloi k mi metafereis se makedoniko video ti grafoun kapoioi toyrkalvanoi pou prospathoun na ksanaginoun ellines arvanites.
Arvanitarius 11 months ago
@Arvanitarius...shhhhttttttttttttt that video is Eurpean and greek historian, nothing macedonina! And no I do not need greek documents I live in USA...;) Nata e mire Arvanite
topallia 11 months ago
@topallia kalh nyxta xhemile! k mi ksexnas pos exeis ellinikes rizes k as eisai tourkala. kisses baby, mouach!
Arvanitarius 11 months ago
@Arvanitarius arvaniti ..den i parkun turkoalvani pera apo tin simferusa skepsi tis ortodoksias..i alvani ine alvani apo mitriki glosa kai patriko ema,kai oki apo tin izrailini triskia.kai se parakolo pezmu gia ta arvanitika pjo pano an ta gnorizis i oki ..Ga tri mouaje nani arvanitete luftonjene.....tris mines tora i arvanites polemun...an dhen ta anagnorizis pes mas oti den kseris arvanitika..ine i idhia i alvaniki glosa
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
@MrAlfeko oi arxaioi Alvanoi pou zousan stin arxaia Alvanopolis itan Ellines to genos k milagan Ellinika. O Klavdios Ptolemeos (2os aionas mX) anaferei oti ekeinoi oi Alvanoi apo tin Alvanopolis itan Makedones. Den leei tipote gia Illyrious. Kopse tin propaganda, vlami. Den giname oloi Toyrkoi oute xasame ta myala mas gia toyrkikous parades. Emeis eimaste akoma Ellines. Eseis allaksate.
Arvanitarius 11 months ago
@Arvanitarius katarkas katse na vrume tin albanopoli kai meta as milusume.Na ksekathariso oti gamo tin turkia kai tin turkiki fara gia afto as mi to sizitisume pia afto.i propoganda oso ine myslimani ine turki kai osi ine ortodoksi ine ellines itan mia propoganda me vathies rizes kai ekthriki gia opion theli na legjete alvanos.mu anaferis ton Klaudio...kai omos den anaferis oti i elliniki itan i glosa ton nomon tis monaxizmou sti autokratiki roma..edo dhese tin sinexia pu thelis na pis
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
@Arvanitarius oi moni pu den alaksane ine afti pu den pistepsane stis izarilines thriskies kai minan pisti tis arxeas paradosis sta enthima tus.propoganda den kano otan milao gia tin koini proelfsi tis alvanikis kai tis ellinikis apo tin pellazgiki.tora pji alaksane as mi to sizitisume giati ine fos fanari.an imun turkos tha milusa turkiki san mitriki..an imuna ellinas tha milusa ellinika san mitriki.ime omos alvanos kai eko mitriki tin alvaniki kai patriko ema alvaniko kai ime iperifanos
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
@topallia hey honey what happened with you anyway with that application of your family. did you manage to obtain greek citizenship yet?
lol
Arvanitarius 11 months ago
@Arvanitarius kai poli kala ta les "arvanitis dimarkos bollanos" gia na katalavune merika zoa stin alvania oti i mitriki glosa ton onomazomenon "vorioepiros" ine i alvaniki opos i arvanitiki glosa=i alvaniki...kai i ellines ine i metekontes tis ellinikis pedias...opo ton Isokrati eos simera.
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
@MrAlfeko i mitriki glossa ton vorioepiroton einai i elliniki. i arvanitophonia den yphrxe anekathen. mi les vlakeies k anistorita pragmata. ellinika milagan mexri to dyrrachio os ton 6o aiona mX (Prokopius) k onomazan eaytous Epirotes. Mh les oti theleis giati ti glossa k to lao mas. Ellinika milage k egrafe k o Kastriotis. Alvanika den iksere k to kseris kala. Allios dose stoixeia an exeis. Allios, kane tin papia.
Arvanitarius 11 months ago
@Arvanitarius .oso milaei o arvanitis ellinika san mitriki glosa toso milaei kai o vorioepiritis.Mi hanis tin logiki su .elenika milane kai sto avganistan-ispania-france-egjypt ..kai ine pasignosti oti i elliniki eftase ekei me tis apikies.kai an telis na milame kai na sizitame politizmena kai me gnosis tote min perdevis tis apikies me to ethnos.tu kastrioti iparkun gramata sta latinika ellinika kai turkika..pes mas ti itan telika?ta simvola tu kastrioti ine PELLAZGIKA
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
@MrAlfeko O Bollanos einai ELLINAS Voreioepirotis. Sostos Arvanitis diladi. Oxi san allous pou poulisan to ethnos toys gia tous Tourkalvanous. An diafoneis na mou to peis na kopsoume tin kouventa edo k tora. O idios leei oti einai Ellinas k troei k ksylo gia ton Ellinismo. Mi ginesai FASISTAS giati tha se vriso asxima. Katalaves?
Arvanitarius 11 months ago
@Arvanitarius MARESI I LOGIKI SU.mono pu i arvanites kai i alvani omilun tin idia glosa=tin alvaniki.katarkas fasistas den ime kai ute eko tasis kai fasistikes skepsis sto mialo mu.mporis se parakalo na me diafotizis ligaki?ti enooite esis me tin leksi "ellinas"??o Bollanos maxetai gia ta ekatomiria tou kai panda ine kolo kai vraki me tus kivernites tis alvanias.i fara tu ine vlakiki ,kai i mitriki glosa tu ine vlakiki=mi elliniki.apo pu kai os pou ine ellinas kapios pu milaei mi elliniki glosa?
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
@Arvanitarius kai me to zori den se krato vre aderfe..an thelis sizitame an dhen thelis den sizitame.min hanis tin logiki su an pistevis pos ekei dikio..an nomizis pos me na me vrizis askima tha ekei dikeo kai olas..ti na su po ego?toso ftani to mialo su.kai ego akuo kotsanes kai apando omorfa...an thes vrizis vrize..ksero kai ego na vrizo kai na sinenoomaste politizmena gia to thema pu sizitame.
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
@topallia mathame molis proxthes oti me tin kalipsi tis tourkalvanikis kybernisis kai tis astynomias sas kapsate zontanoys pollous athwous tsigganoalvanous se ena katavlismo sti xora sas. etsi tha mpeite stin evropi re tourkalvanoi? kaigontas tous anthropous zontanoys k kanontas ta strava matia? ntropi se olous sas pou epitrepete akomi na ginontai tetoia pragmata ekei. oi toyrkoi fygane, to pirate xambari ore? i antrhopini zoh exei axia oti k na nai o allos. koloratsistes, toyrkalvanoi.
Arvanitarius 11 months ago
@Arvanitarius,,,,LMAOOOOO you talk about burning things! You guys have almost more than 2 years that are protesting and burning things! Europe has asked you to sell everything, and even removing you from the EU because of the mess with the economy you have made. So if you want to talk about being turkoalvanos, look at the mirror "greko-Maskara". Ohhh by the way did you see the new video I send you, talks about the real greek history, and they were greek and european historians..:)
topallia 11 months ago
@topallia katse na se kseblocaro prota mori tourkala. se deka lepta ksanastile to video. axortagi de sou ftani to reziliki soy perisi, zitas k allo efeto. ante mari!
Arvanitarius 11 months ago
@Arvanitarius,,,hahahahaha You may have more turkish blood than me, the reason is cause my ancestors were mountaineers, were the turks could not reach...keep watching the video...:))
topallia 11 months ago
@GREECEANDMACEDONIA apo tin pellazgjiki stin elliniki kseqinane ta prota dhania..apo tin elliniki stin latiniki kai apoekei pandu stin evropi..afti einai i vasi ton koinon lexeon..tora irthane..apo edo kai apo ekei den apodhikniete tipota mekri simera..poles idees ja tipota
MrAlfeko 11 months ago
@GREECEANDMACEDONIA ena parapano oti dekomaste ton Omiro san to pio arxeotero tis gnostis istorias tis evropis ..prim afton den gnorizume..mono ikasies.ekume tin vasi kai psaknume adika tis malakies ton germanon
MrAlfeko 11 months ago