Considering that the Japanese learned their sword making arts from the Chinese and Koreans, who both had made straight swords, I'm surprised you guys are arguing if the Japanese "ever" had straight swords. They may not have been common, or used exclusively or even ever by Ninja... but it's most likely "some" were made.
The straight sword you mentioned is Kanto 環刀 and that was far outdated in Sengoku period. Maybe Koreans were using it until Imjin war. And the sword Antony mentioned was early Edo period which Zohyomonogatari was written.
antony cummins is such an idiot, he likes to play myth busters with everything and than says the answers to life are all in HIS books.... and nowhere else, youd think the japanese would know better than some stupid brit.... but he thinks he knows more...
from Connoisseurs book of japanese sword - anthony cited as reference
Page 55 the curvature or sori of the japanese sword distinguishes it from the pre heian chokuto or straight sword
Kanbun shinto sword (which seems to be the one the pictures indicate - - representative of early edo period 1644-1687 - shinogi zukuri , shallow SORI (curve) and chukissaki - page 62
So his own reference states these are curved swords. Go back watch the fist video , he states straight sword as 'fact' .
@HavahdYahdHahrry actually we don't have any evidence of a straigth ninjato before hayes, i have every book on ninjustu printed since 1917 and i've posted pictures from the books antony claimed to have straight swords but it was the angle there were no straight swords
@HavahdYahdHahrry Havah actually Don Roley already knew "Straight swords" existed. He has said this already. Don Roley said that Stephen hayes created the myth of Ninja using "crude" swords to fight the oppressive Samurai. Stephen Hayes did create the "completely" straight Ninjato.
And Anthony is equivocating and using non sequitur arguments. He names his video "Ninjato" because he thinks the swords he found are like "modern" marketed ninjato. But they were muzori swords, not chokuto.
buffon what do you think about the part where it discusses swords being 5-6 shaku. i think this shows the transition from large swords from the sengoku jidai which had more sori to the new kanbun shinto swords with less sori
Buffon you and Scottbaio are part of the reasonw hy i plan on having my history major focus on Oriental cultures because there really is just so much that gets confused or miscommunicated unless you do the research yourself or study it yourself, and I love Japan, and all Asian cultures really, that I don't want to be an "idiot American".
Ok... but the only connection with ninja history I got from Antony's videos is that those swords may have inspired the straight one that is believed to be the "official ninjato" in popular culture.
@BuffonSarutobi He clearly states that there isn't such thing as an specific ninja sword, but you can expect that more than one is going to use the information (or the part) that is convenient for them to validate their claims, from any source. I think is unavoidable.
But the more correct information that surfaces the better, it is the only way to stop frauds.
Considering that the Japanese learned their sword making arts from the Chinese and Koreans, who both had made straight swords, I'm surprised you guys are arguing if the Japanese "ever" had straight swords. They may not have been common, or used exclusively or even ever by Ninja... but it's most likely "some" were made.
warmitag 1 month ago
@warmitag
The straight sword you mentioned is Kanto 環刀 and that was far outdated in Sengoku period. Maybe Koreans were using it until Imjin war. And the sword Antony mentioned was early Edo period which Zohyomonogatari was written.
BuffonSarutobi 1 month ago
antony cummins is such an idiot, he likes to play myth busters with everything and than says the answers to life are all in HIS books.... and nowhere else, youd think the japanese would know better than some stupid brit.... but he thinks he knows more...
Taud 8 months ago
from Connoisseurs book of japanese sword - anthony cited as reference
Page 55 the curvature or sori of the japanese sword distinguishes it from the pre heian chokuto or straight sword
Kanbun shinto sword (which seems to be the one the pictures indicate - - representative of early edo period 1644-1687 - shinogi zukuri , shallow SORI (curve) and chukissaki - page 62
So his own reference states these are curved swords. Go back watch the fist video , he states straight sword as 'fact' .
stevegreenfield 1 year ago
This videos really defeated his findings
His videos "Ninja sword found" is misleading, he can easily re-upload under a different title
gingerbeardbastard 1 year ago
@HavahdYahdHahrry actually we don't have any evidence of a straigth ninjato before hayes, i have every book on ninjustu printed since 1917 and i've posted pictures from the books antony claimed to have straight swords but it was the angle there were no straight swords
scottbaioisdead 1 year ago
@HavahdYahdHahrry Havah actually Don Roley already knew "Straight swords" existed. He has said this already. Don Roley said that Stephen hayes created the myth of Ninja using "crude" swords to fight the oppressive Samurai. Stephen Hayes did create the "completely" straight Ninjato.
And Anthony is equivocating and using non sequitur arguments. He names his video "Ninjato" because he thinks the swords he found are like "modern" marketed ninjato. But they were muzori swords, not chokuto.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
so straighter like a musashi bamboo warrior katana rather than the extreme curve custom handmade katana on trueswords eh? tubular.
FatGuyWithAKatana 1 year ago
@FatGuyWithAKatana Hahaha, your comment deserves a 'thumb up'; hope to see more of your videos
DtorBillAgain 1 year ago
@DtorBillAgain i know i'm a freak, i make awful videos but you're free to take a look at em.
FatGuyWithAKatana 1 year ago
@FatGuyWithAKatana Sorry, I mean 'I like them, really'... sorry if my comment looks rude :(
DtorBillAgain 1 year ago
@DtorBillAgain no no no it doesn't, i'm just strange.
FatGuyWithAKatana 1 year ago
buffon what do you think about the part where it discusses swords being 5-6 shaku. i think this shows the transition from large swords from the sengoku jidai which had more sori to the new kanbun shinto swords with less sori
scottbaioisdead 1 year ago
@scottbaioisdead
Tokugawa Bakufu regulated length of swords (shorter than 3 shaku) in 1638.
So the "5-6 shaku swords" part supposed to be about Sengoku or Edo period before 1638.
BuffonSarutobi 1 year ago
@BuffonSarutobi thats what i assumed
scottbaioisdead 1 year ago
Buffon you and Scottbaio are part of the reasonw hy i plan on having my history major focus on Oriental cultures because there really is just so much that gets confused or miscommunicated unless you do the research yourself or study it yourself, and I love Japan, and all Asian cultures really, that I don't want to be an "idiot American".
monkeywolf 1 year ago
Ok... but the only connection with ninja history I got from Antony's videos is that those swords may have inspired the straight one that is believed to be the "official ninjato" in popular culture.
What would be the problem with that?
Kemmothar 1 year ago
@Kemmothar
It seems he is arguing someone(Don something?) over who invented Ninjato?
My point is his misleading and prevention of Ninja fraud.
Ninjers seem don't care what the content really mean, his video is already used as a proof of Ninjato existence by tomo ryu.
BuffonSarutobi 1 year ago 3
@BuffonSarutobi He clearly states that there isn't such thing as an specific ninja sword, but you can expect that more than one is going to use the information (or the part) that is convenient for them to validate their claims, from any source. I think is unavoidable.
But the more correct information that surfaces the better, it is the only way to stop frauds.
Kemmothar 1 year ago