Mozart Symphony No. 38 Prague 1st mvt Part 1

[marian444]

Wonderful!!!

[MuggleSnuggles]

00:26 - WHOA! Is the conductor using the force? He moves like the Flash!

[anonyymi1234]

lol@this

[oliviaovena]

wow that's all I could say.

[Mozartmostly]

Love the video quality! thanks for sharing this fine video. Love this symphony so much!

[cownessie]

Very good!

[Dirkovic80]

all you posted is just nonsense, seems you think of yourself as a smart guy

you dont need to teach me when mozart was born or died or something

but as you already said yourself : salzburg was bavarian in mozarts time, and this fact makes him german on the paper , because bavaria is a german state till today (if your theory was right it would make immanuel kant a russian , because königsberg is in russia today).

[Dirkovic80]

@travnicek

mb u read then my first comment, i asked you why u are proud for beeing czech when u hear this piece , there wasnt any insult in it , but u instantly answere with that troll thing whats btw not new , you just act like a girl who cant face the truth

by using some childish rhethoric methods ....

you are living in canada and still speaking such a poor english thats its hard for me to understand you

but you said in the comments before that salzburg was bavarian in mozarts time

[Dirkovic80]

@travnicek

and salzburg was a bavarian city allready at mozarts time

"... This is because Salzburg did not become part of Austria until years after Mozart's death, and the city had been bound by historical and ecclesiastical connections to Bavaria (in what we now call Germany) since the ninth century.

Furthermore, in Mozart's day most of the archdiocese of Salzburg, headed by the autonomous prince-archbishop, was still in Bavaria, not Austria."

source nytimes prof. raymond erickson

[Dirkovic80]

@travnicek

but sry for now i have no time reading through your bad english comments and your hatefilled lies

let sum up: you are proud that a czech is at least able to play a few notes mozart has written , and im proud that mozart was a "fucking german" as you would call him i guess then

i just think it is poor to be a jaelous hatefilled kid who lies to himself, becuase the rubbish you posted must even confuse yourself if you have a bit brain left ...

[Dirkovic80]

@travnicek

all i see and i can say again is that u are an hatefilled antigerman kid which believes in lies that were told to him since his early childhood (talking about fuckin "germans" , you generalize to much)

"the karlsuniversity not german" you are just ridiculous

there is no chzech culture and no chzech architecture in prague because the slawish ppl never had a culture , mb you did copy paste the german style , but you never influenced german culture, you are just ridiculous ...

[Dirkovic80]

@travnicek

haha seems you having better to do than posting non stop your insulting monologues

i never wanted to look as a smart as you only seen it as on offense because it is the truth

but you are a wannabe smartguy , talking about god and the world totally failing the point of our discussions every time , again and again , u tell me i shall come with facts and i came with them .if you think wikipedias told you the right about bavaria and salzburg then do so ...

[Dirkovic80]

@travnicek

totally funny when a czech tries to teach a german about his history , the facts are even visible , you can see that salzburg is a german/bavarian town when u go there

you can also see it in prague

and i at least dont generalize like you talking about "fucking czechs" etc you just showed your real face , you act like a educated human but you speak like a distrubed lil hater

if you would have culture the would be no reason for you to be so damn jaelous ...

[Dirkovic80]

@travnicek @Dirkovic80 @travineck ^

and if you like to talk about historical facts so much then look up what czechs have done to helpless german civilst during the end of ww2 when they killed thousands of mothers and children , thats what you "jealous ruthless , cultureless and "smartasses" did " but you think you are the poor czechs which suffered so much pain , just crying and hating is all you can ,

no knowledge but trying to degrade my with my worser english

thats why i call you girl like

[Dirkovic80]

@travnicek

these errors were mostly because of typos and concentration fails , yet i dont like the english language and dont thinks its worth to learn it ... but i can at least explain myself and u understood me pretty well i guess

but dont you see that you are allready done since the first comment ?

you just act like a kid who cant get it and therefore comes up with thing that have nothing to do with the point

come on you make a joke out of yourself

[Dirkovic80]

@travnicek

i dont need to google anything about it i know that the karlsuniversity is founded by germans only a blind czech nationalist twat like u would deny this , so it anyways makes no sense to speak to you any longer because you living in your czech dreamworld ^

first they gain from the culture we brought to em and later they spit on the founders and claim it as theirs ...

mozart = austrian

kopernikus = polish

kant = russian

beethoven = belgish

händel = english ... 

[Dirkovic80]

@travnicek

i dont admit it because im not such a lil hater as u i have slawic friends , and most of them think the same with me and admire the german culture , but they told me that they get educated in their country to hate on germans (just as you have proven already at its best)

and for the protocol : its not my fault that you feel insulted when i come up with knowledge you just cant take ...

but you started this conversation with insults and never stopped it

only cheap shots you did ...

[Dirkovic80]

@travnicek i never wanted to fuckin offend you god damn it , i just asked you something mb i should have left that "refresh your mind thing" but i did no insults and i didnt meant it as an insult, i am just sad that almost the whole europe hates us for the ww2 dogmas and say nothing but bad and lies about germans but feel proud when they hear german music , the whole world uses german culture and in the same breathtake they spit on it ...

i just wanted to open some1s eyes

im sry

[Dirkovic80]

@travnicek

i never said that "- He was from a town that was later ruled by Germans" you should learn at least to read

and "- You're proud that Mozart considered himself German" is another lie i only answered it on your statement

you are proud beeing czech by seeing this video ^ which is ridiculous

[Dirkovic80]

@travnicek

i said salzburg was allready bavarian when mozart was born, not "- You're proud that Mozart considered himself German".

and salzburg was bavarian since the 9th century and ofc always german

[Dirkovic80]

@travnicek

but ok go wank yourslef in you proudness of beeing czech by hearing german music it kind of amuses me , you understand ?

and you last comment is a lie ( you felt proud because you think mozart has written this for czechs lol and because its called the prague symphony)

you just didnt say it to provide looking like a total jerk

[Dirkovic80]

@travnicek

its already attested by psychologists that the feeling of beeing minor to some1 makes him jealus and hatefilled , germans never said such things but ppl of your low kind have these thoughts of beeing minor in their brain not because the germans tell/told them so but because you feel/felt yourself minor compared to german achievemnts and culture

but let me tell you, no nation will ever be able to create a own culture if its so hatefilled like yours

[Dirkovic80]

@travnicek

which closes the circle again ... the germans from last centuries couldnt be that bad/evil and stupid as they were always called to be , because no evil mind is able to create such big culture thats another fact

and you said you like "str8 facts" haha

[travnicek]

@Dirkovic80 Why are you still talking? No one cares.

[Dirkovic80]

@travnicek

haha why did u delete all your great work now ?

did you find out that your facts where wrong ?

i did look up wikipedia 5 mins ago and it also says that salzburg was bavarian since the 10 th century ( since the name salzburg appeared) and the was only a small part when salzburg was annected by austria between 1803 and 1810

and you talk about facts , dude...

[travnicek]

@Dirkovic80 WHY are you still talking? I repeat. Nobody cares.

[Dirkovic80]

@travnicek

thats what ppl of minor culures like you think with their complexes in their low brains and i always speak with ppl from all cultures on the same eye height but when i read such insults as yours i almost have to puke

you are accusing me for things you are obviously doing, you act like the smartass here not me i just came up with just facts and you came up with insults and extra long comments which failed the point

[Dirkovic80]

@travnicek

and now you cry and claim you need to "defend your country" lol

you acuse me for things u did , thats the psychological war strategy of a closeminded loser who has nothing better to do than spread his hate on youtube

and i didnt say prague is a german town but it was

mb on the map prague is a czech town today but the german culture in prague is still obvious for those who know it ...

[bayreuth79]

I'm sure Amadeus was filmed here.

[Dirkovic80]

this piece is one more evidence that beethoven was heavily influenced by mozart

beethoven almost copy pasted the melody between 4:59 - 5:03 in his 3rd movement of the tempest sonata

[Dirkovic80]

@travnicek

kinda strange that german music from a german man makes you feel "proud beeing czech"

back in mozarts days prague was a 100 percent german town , just to refresh your mind ...

in prague was the first german university

[Dirkovic80]

@travnicek

and btw the austrians always considered themselfes as germans before the the world wars, even the austrian "kaisers" considered themselfes as "german lords"

so even if you call mozart an "austrian" (which is ridiculous if you know the facts for real) he would be german too, because the austrians are a german tribe , as the bayuvarians and so on ...

[Dirkovic80]

@travnicek

before you start insulting ppl on the internet you should read more instead of copy pasting only wikipedia

you seem to be a jaelous and hatefillid kid , unable to discuss without insults.

lemme tell you. your words dont hurt me you only make me laugh out loud about how degenerated humans have become in the last century

a chzech kid who wants to teach me about german history , so ridiculous ...

[Dirkovic80]

@travnicek

as some ppl before allready said 2 , they crushed mozarts work by using one playstyle and by rearranging the parts of this piece , but ok if it makes you proud,, you can have it ^

im proud that this amazing man, who has written it, was one of my ancients

and btw the way you talk is that of a lil hatefilled jaelous kid

prague is just like budapest deeply influenced by german architecture/culture ,

and back then ofc it was considered as a german town, you should just read history

[Dirkovic80]

@travnicek

mb you can "scare" ppl of your own low kind and niveau with that insults , but you made me only laugh about your hatefilled character and your poor "wikipedia" knowledge

all historians will admit that prague is a german cultured city , you only need 2 look the baroque architecture there and that prague was considered as a 100 percent german town at mozarts time ... thats just facts , you can mb hate it but not deny it^

[Dirkovic80]

@travnicek

the karls-university in prag was founded in the 14th century by germans, almost the whole city prague was built by german architects , that are also facts

and yeah prague was considered as a german town at mozarts time ofc ...

and i still wonder why you are proud if a "czech orchestra" can play mozart

it should be an honor for them nothing to be proud of

because the credits should go to mozart himself

[Dirkovic80]

@travnicek

"If Germany, my beloved fatherland, of whom you know I am proud, will not accept me, then must I, in the name of God, again make France or England richer by one capable German; — and to the shame of the German nation."

mozart in a letter to his father

[Dirkovic80]

@travnicek

haha you are funny

mb you should do some historical researches then, because mozart was born in salzbrug and in the 18th century salzburg belonged 2 bayuvaria (german state)

mozarts father was from augsburg (bayuvarian till today) and even if you would have knowledge about mozarts letters you would know that mozart considered himself as a german he even says he is a "proud german"

so just stop talking about "facts" if you obviously know nothing

[tsukiomilover]

. . . i dnt know if its because im only in high school, but the way that conducter moves like that kinda scared me, like, shocking! XD this is really good though, i wish i can be as good as them . . . T^T

[jbrahms1833]

For all the talk of Mozart's three last symphonies, this Prague symphony, to my mind is second to none. It's dramatic power, intensity, and melodic creativity, bring me to tears at times. This is an inspired performance (although perhaps a bit too fast in the latter movements) only marred by the video skipping in places. Yes, it seems fitting that the Czech Philharmonic is performing this greatest of symphonies in Prague.

[Jitpring]

The Prague played in Prague. Wonderful! 

[bersa888]

The video is all choppy, though.....

[spinningwheel]

Also please post the unedited video if you have it. Many thanks in Advance :)

[spinningwheel]

Ah, the Estates Theater in Prague... what a fitting place to perform this.

[Paracelsus72]

It's tempting to describe this opening allegro as the greatest symphonic movement ever written, from a perspective of absolute music. It's like the Art of Fugue combined with Le Nozze di Figaro and Don Giovanni. The thematic development is constant, from the first notes to the last, staggeringly complex, and (and this is the real miracle) Mozart makes it sound like the easiest thing in the world. How the hell did he do it?

[bersa888]

@Paracelsus72 : It is my favorite of Mozart's symphonies.... a triumph of intellect, musical logic and beauty. For a clear analysis of this first movement, you should read C. Rosen's "Sonata Forms". He also talks extensively about Mozart's style etc. (and Haydn & Beethoven) in "The Classical Period"

[Jitpring]

@Paracelsus72 I must agree with you on every count. Glorious!

[atrebil71]

E se questa sinfonia, a parte l'introduzione lenta, fosse stata scritta di Michael Haydn?

[rgrybra]

I hear someone snoring in the background.

[moonsoul18]

The conduction is strange... but I love this piece.

[Jitpring]

Too bad the conductor made the timpanist restrain himself so much in that beginning section. It needs to be played with gusto.

[SonofDostojevskij]

The part at 4:01 to 4:13 is yeast fantastic. Love this symphony, one of Mozarts greatest works.

[chopinandliszt]

that part reminds me of Mozart's last piano sonata in D major

[eduardomontesm]

Great Conductor!!!

[marcin55555555]

This is the Prague's Tyl Theatre where Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart conducted the premiere performances of two of his operas: "Don Giovanni" on October 29, 1787 (which Mozart himself conducted) and the opera "La Clemenza di Tito" (1791).

W tym praskim teatrze odbyły się dwie światowe premiery oper Mozarta: w 1787 roku opery "Don Giovanni" (którą Mozart osobiście przygotował i wystąpił w roli dyrygenta), oraz opery La Clemenza di Tito w 1791 roku.

[tartinavvelenata]

Yes, it is possible to play as they probably did: but is this the real aim of music in general?

I mean, at this point we should never play Beethoven on today pianos...and what about playing Bach on piano?

Are we sure that Mozart would disagree about this way of playing?

I think that each epoch has his way of playing and interpret music: trying to explore each time with new eyes a symphony like any other piece of music keeps music itself alive.

[KarlAmade]

Mozart would find this very wrong, it isn't in the same pitch which he had written it to, and in his days there were perhaps five or six strings on the double bass, and they were not tuned in quarters, creating other bi-tones and over tones, Modern style controls the over tones, making them hard to hear, Mozart loved the over tones, they were vital to make the strings warm and glowing.

Of course, I get your point, and I agree, but the original styles are as important as the modern:)

[bernad0304]

I don't know how Mozart would find this. Different pitch is not as important as different timbre, and different intonation (between the notes, not just a different A). Knowledge of period practices (we know that there were different styles and characters between the performers of the same period, just as today) can help to understand the works better, but it's not a goal itself. I agree with decreasing the vibrato, not for historical reasons only, but for good intonation and different timbre.

[requiemaeternam7]

how the hell do you know what mozart loved? I have read almost every book there is on mozart's letters and many biographies and no where did it mention he 'loved overtones' so please stop making things up unless you have proof or evidence with which you can back up your own mediocre opinion.

[KarlAmade]

Mozart had same opinions as his father considering the use of the violin, Leopold did not like the vibrato consistently, it sounded like the fever, He said. And of course Leopold was perhaps his son's most important teacher. I have an "original copy" of Leopold Mozart's Violin School (Versuch einer gründlichen Violinschule)dated 1756. This copy is so delicate and are worth very much. He said that the overtone did express the warmness of the love in music etc etc.

One have to achieve mediocrity.

[Jitpring]

Do you have an "original copy," or an original copy?

[KarlAmade]

Yes I do, dated 1756, and I will never give it away, even though my lack of old German lingual knowledge.

Mozart senior expressed the overuse of vibrato as fever, now we know that some violinists used the vibrato constantly, but not very accepted, but as he said it differs from taste to taste, but concerning the orchestra should all performers act more like one instrument than many slosists. The vibrato was more like a solist thing.

[comic4relief]

In the second movement there are critical spots in which the violins come in very high and dramatically. If everyone plays vibrato/tremolo independently, there's an effect of unclear mush. How nice it would sound just to ride that note smoothly and evenly! That might be considered too tricky though for a large number of players at such a high note, so they opt to 'mush' through it. I don't see what qualm there should be about endeavoring to play authentically. I'd go buy it then.

[SonofDostojevskij]

You know, this sympohny was written in 1786

[KarlAmade]

yeah, but I promise, they did NOT play like this back in that year, Don't think that the modern romanatic style was common in the beginning of the romantic era, it appeared with Wagner an these guys at the end of the 19th century.

The old baroque-ish style lived through both Mozart and Beethoven.

[SonofDostojevskij]

well tats true but i was going to write that as an answer to the guy who sead hi had a oridiginal copy dated 1756. Thats kind of fail actually.

[KarlAmade]

We were talking about the Leopold Mozart's Violin School (Versuch einer gründlichen Violinschule)dated 1756, and I have one of few remaining originals. =)

[SonofDostojevskij]

O im sorry my mistake.

[SonofDostojevskij]

Thats note really true. The romantic way of playing apperd around 1830 (with henric Berlioz symphony fantastica) and not with Wagner.

[KarlAmade]

You are absolutely right!

Sorry, Wagner - Opera (or musical drama as he said)

Thanks for correcting me!

[KarlAmade]

From sources like these we have en idea of how they played back in the 18th century. i think it's possible to get a modern copy of this violin school.

Kind regards.

~Karl~

[KarlAmade]

That he loved the overtones is a sentence my periodic violin teacher said.

[requiemaeternam7]

well it could be true, I just feel there's too much anecdotal things passed down without much evidence about these great composers that our 'teachers' alwyas tell us when in reality they have little basis in truth. It could be true, I'm not saying it's not but I'd just like to see evidence of it before I believed what Mozart himself liked or disliked.

[jx88jx]

well put

[KarlAmade]

The good thing is that they're playing in the Estates Theatre, the bad thing is they're playing it in wrong style, and with wrong instruments... why the lack of period understanding? Oh, I wish there were some kind of music police on this planet, so the music had been played in the right style from its period. This would appear so much better without "vibrato on the strings" and fewer gadgets on the winds.

[tartinavvelenata]

And of course you know exactly how they played in that period...you have called Mozart on his Mobile?

[KarlAmade]

If Mozart had the same taste as his father about the vibrato... read Leopold Mozart's Violin school. Less Vibrato, And Perhaps the A = 409 Pitch. I know what I'm talking about... the pitch is hard to fix these days, that is okey, but they could decrease the vibrato.

It's not about playing as they did, but getting as near as possible, that's my opinon.

And we know more about that period than most musicians think. Of course vibrato was used, mostly as ornaments, some violinists consistently...

[TheCrazyCello]

I agree entirely with KarlAmade... the problem being that using metal strings, "whitewash" vibrato is essential to destroy the dissonant higher overtones. It still doesn't reproduce the "noble" tone of a gut-core or plain gut string. The diverging construction techiques in the 19th century of different instruments also destroyed a certain synergy in tone and technique throught the orchestra, it no longer "speaks" as a single voice. A fact which isn't helped by the size of the orchestra here...

[TheCrazyCello]

...an interesting thing to note is that this symphony was composed for an orchestra with only three first and three second violins, a point which is apparent in the scoring. I'm glad that at least the two violin sections have been juxtaposed on either side, but the absence of continuo is noticeable...

[KarlAmade]

Thank you. =)

I have to continue my "crusade" against "modernists". hehe...

[Aapton]

Something strange happens at 3:30. seems like they have cut parts out of the video. Very powerful performance, perhaps a bit to much beethoven.

[karlakor]

@Aapton Yes, it seems that the editing of this video has placed sections of this work in the wrong order! Are we the only ones who have noticed this, or doesn't this bother any one else? This is intolerable!!

[jabsomdoc]

this guy reminds me of carlos kleiber

[khechog]

the greatest composer, wonderful performence! I love the place the concert was performed, it's absolutely amazing, and the camera views are also fascinating.